FAITH & FREEDOM WITH SHEMANE NUGENT - NOVEMBER 16TH, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: Faith & Freedom with Shemane Nugent

Episode Date: November 16, 2025
Podcast: Real America’s Voice (iHeartPodcasts)
Host: Shemane Nugent
Guests: Janice Trey (Epoch Times Chairperson), JJ Carroll (Retired US Border Patrol, Author), Pastor Anthony Thomas, Hannah Keeley

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Overview

This episode of Faith & Freedom with Shemane Nugent explores the vital importance of truth, faith, and freedom through personal stories and discussions on censorship, the realities of authoritarian regimes, and US border policy. Shemane speaks first with Janice Trey, who escaped communist China and now heads The Epoch Times, about her life under oppressive rule and the critical nature of truth in media. The discussion moves to border security and immigration policy with retired Border Patrol supervisor JJ Carroll, focusing on the intentionality behind the current US administration's actions. Interspersed are inspirational messages from Pastor Anthony Thomas and practical advice from Hannah Keeley.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Value of Truth and Freedom in Media

Segment Starts: [03:36]

• Shemane Nugent’s Opening: Reflects on censorship during COVID-19 and how speaking simple truths about health resulted in being banned from platforms.
  • “Truth is under attack. Even sharing basic tips...was treated like a rebellion.” ([03:52])
  • She announces upcoming inspirations and highlights her next guest, Janice Trey.

Memorable Introduction of Janice Trey

• Background: Janice Trey is a survivor of Mao’s China, a Christian, former CEO (now Chairperson) of The Epoch Times, and recipient of the Voice of Courage Award.

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2. Janice Trey’s Story: Escaping Communism and Embracing Freedom

Segment Starts: [05:06]

Childhood Under the Cultural Revolution

• Janice recounts being the child of engineers exiled to forced labor camps.
  • “It took me one and a half hours walking to the closest school...I was a first child labor growing sugar cane for the school...carrying fertilizers heavier than myself.” ([06:18])
  • Only experienced her first birthday cake at age 10, once she left China.

Realization of Propaganda and Pursuit of Truth

• Encounter with alternative narratives via balloon-dropped pamphlets from Taiwan led her to distrust the regime’s version of history.
  • “When I went to Hong Kong, I compared the textbooks for the same historic periods...totally different descriptions. So it was at that time I knew that somebody [was] not telling the full stories.” ([08:44])

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3. From Tiananmen Square to America’s Promise

Segment Starts: [10:30]

Tiananmen Square as a Pivotal Moment

• Janice’s friend, a medical student, witnessed the 1989 massacre firsthand.
• Family pooled all resources to send her to college in the US (UT Austin chosen for affordability and prestige).
• The power of community: Host family in Austin (“Randy and Rhonda Goss”) introduced her to church and American freedom.
  • “It was true freedom...from not knowing anybody in Austin, Texas...America is the place not only with freedom but it’s like opportunity.” ([11:37])

Hard Work and American Opportunities

• Self-studied for AP Psychology, condensed studies to finish undergrad and grad programs in 4 years.
• Worked up to 3 jobs at a time—cleaning, administrative, professional roles—to support her education.
  • “This is a country that offer[s] freedom...I was very grateful for my mentor at church...I passed [the CPA] exam in my first setting before my graduation.” ([13:28])

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4. Freedom, Family, and Risks of Living Under Repressive Regimes

Segment Starts: [22:15]

The Shock of Openness in America

• Compared intellectual climate between authoritarian China and America:
  • “In the classrooms you can ask questions and you can have debates with professors...that open dialogue...that was like, eye opening.” ([22:15])

One-Child Policy and Forced Abortions

• Janice shares her brother’s near-death due to forced abortion policy—her mother had to hide, father was penalized professionally.
  • “So many babies were killed...so they penalize[d] my father...life is so precious.” ([24:20–24:49])

Modern Repression in China

• Persecution of Falun Gong, continued religious and information suppression (digital censorship).
  • “Falun Gong practitioners...being taken for their organs...they are being on demand killed for the organs and then sell to foreigners.” ([25:28])
  • Calls for US and international advocacy to bring freedom to Chinese people.

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5. New Tools for Securing Communication

Segment Starts: [27:44]

• Janice announces the beta launch of SafeMeet, a highly secure, encrypted communication tool for those in censorship-heavy environments or needing privacy (like former trafficking victims).
  • “It is in the beta testing stage...People can download from SafeMet US...Apple Store, Google...desktop versions.” ([30:08])

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6. Faith, Gratitude, and Uplifting Others

Segment Starts: [30:34]

• Mutual appreciation: Shemane and Janice thank each other for their impact and work, highlighting the enduring gratitude for American freedom.
• Janice recommends Shemane’s Epoch Times article, capturing Shemane’s “uplifting life.” ([31:00])

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7. Border Policy: Weaponization and National Security

Segment Starts: [38:15]
Guest: JJ Carroll, Retired US Border Patrol Supervisor, Author of Treason

Deliberate Border Chaos

• JJ argues influx of illegal immigration is not mismanagement but intentional:
  • “Everything that Joe Biden did...was to fundamentally destroy the border...Are you ok with over four...four and a half million people, illegal aliens coming into America every single year? ... No, this was intentional...” ([41:16–41:50])

National Security Risks

• Points to release of thousands on terrorist watchlists, mass Social Security number assignments to illegal immigrants.
• Predicts future attacks: “It’s not an if, it’s a when and how bad.” ([42:48]).
  • “We have cells that are in America. They're just waiting for the go call.” ([43:27])

Demographic and Infrastructure Impact

• Cites numbers upwards of 50 million illegal aliens currently in the US.
• Urges moratorium on both legal and illegal immigration, removal measures, and military intervention.
  • “We have infrastructure that's supposed to work for 350 million people, but it's at breaking point for 450 to 460 million.” ([46:09])

Human Trafficking Crisis

• 550,000 children trafficked, only 25,000 recovered.
  • “How do you lose that many children? ... They're in sex trafficking and labor trafficked right now as we speak, unfortunately.” ([47:56])

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8. Messages of Restoration & Resilience

Segment Starts: [53:53]

Pastor Anthony Thomas (Tip of the Spear Church, Naples, FL)

• Shares a Psalm 23-based reflection on restoration and healing:
  • “Restoration. Such a powerful theme. It means God restores you back to your original condition...God is faithful and he can and he will restore you so that you might fulfill your God given destiny.” ([54:30])

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9. Practical Tips for Moms: Find Your Bookends

Segment Starts: [55:48]
Hannah Keeley (America’s #1 Mom Coach)

• Advocates for two simple daily routines (AM and PM “bookends”) to add structure, reduce overwhelm for moms.
  • “Just two simple habits that can give your day structure. So you're telling your brain, we're starting the day, we're ending the day.” ([56:41])

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10. Listener Mail & Personal Reflections

Segment Starts: [57:03]

• Shemane shares listener feedback and reflects on public recognition and appreciation for the show’s work, especially in defending free discourse.
• Encourages listeners to continue reaching out and sharing their own stories.

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11. Closing Inspiration & Call to Action

Segment Starts: [61:18]

• Shemane highlights the therapeutic power of pets, recommends her own wellness books (Abundantly Well, Killer House), and urges listeners to sign up for her newsletter for further encouragement.
• Wraps up with her signature scripture, Esther 4:14: “Perhaps you were born for such a time as this.” ([65:09])

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On Censorship and Truth: "Truth is under attack...I was banned on Twitter and I'm still banned on TikTok." – Shemane Nugent ([03:36])
• On Childhood in Communism: "My first birthday cake was when I was 10 years old, when I left China." – Janice Trey ([06:18])
• On the Power of Opportunity: "America is the place not only with freedom but it's like opportunity. You just have to work hard and opportunities abound." – Janice Trey ([11:37])
• On Family Separation and Oppression: "My younger brother was almost killed...they want to force abortion. So my mom escaped to my grandmom's home until my brother was born." – Janice Trey ([23:31])
• On Forced Organ Harvesting: "Falun Gong practitioners...are being on demand killed for their organs...and then sell to foreigners." – Janice Trey ([25:28])
• On Censorship and Secure Communications: "SafeMeet...used encryption technology that's used by the Department of Defense in Germany, France and UK." – Janice Trey ([27:44])
• On US Border Crisis: "We're not even, we're trying to remove our flooded basement using red solo cups. That's the analogy I use because it's not happening." – JJ Carroll ([39:03])
• On National Security: “It’s not an if, it’s a when and how bad...We have cells that are in America. They're just waiting for the go call.” – JJ Carroll ([42:48]; [43:27])
• On Restoration and Healing: “Restoration. Such a powerful theme. It means God restores you back to your original condition.” – Pastor Anthony Thomas ([54:30])
• On Overcoming Overwhelm: “Just two simple habits that can give your day structure...We're starting the day, we're ending the day.” – Hannah Keeley ([56:41])
• Signature Verse & Send-off: “Perhaps you were born for such a time as this.” – Shemane Nugent ([65:09])

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Segment Timestamps (Main Content Only)

• Opening and Theme – [03:36]
• Janice Trey Interview, Part 1 – [05:06] to [14:32]
• Janice Trey Interview, Part 2 – [20:04] to [31:32]
• JJ Carroll Interview (Border/Treason/Trafficking) – [38:15] to [48:29]
• Pastor Anthony Thomas (Restoration message) – [53:54] to [55:48]
• Hannah Keeley (Mom Tips & Moms Arise) – [55:48] to [57:03]
• Listener Mail & Reflections – [57:03] to [61:18]
• Closing Inspiration & Call to Action – [61:18] to [65:09]

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Tone & Closing Notes

The episode is marked by candor, urgency, and gratitude. Shemane’s style is passionate and heartfelt, often returning to her faith as a touchstone. Both interviews (Janice Trey and JJ Carroll) carry a somber, serious tone about present threats to liberty, with strong encouragement for vigilance, action, and appreciation of American freedoms.

Listeners leave with:

• A renewed perspective on the liberties often taken for granted
• Real-world examples of resilience and community
• Practical encouragement for everyday life (especially moms)
• A spiritual reminder of their significance—"born for such a time as this"

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[Shemaine Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. Hello friends and welcome back to Faith and Freedom. I'm Shemaine Nugent. You know, during the tyrannical lockdowns of COVID I learned that asking questions or offering simple, healthy solutions to a virus that could get you silenced. Whether it came from a bat in a wet market or something far more nefarious, one thing became clear. Truth is under attack. Even sharing basic tips like get vitamin D from the sun or move your body or avoid chemicals that was treated like a rebellion. I was banned on Twitter and I'm still banned on TikTok. By the way, my first guest is someone who understand what it's like to live under a tyrannical government. But before I introduce her, I want to encourage you to stick around because at the end of the show we've got a brand new inspirational moment from Pastor Anthony Thomas. Plus details about the virtual conference for moms that I'm going to be speaking at next week. So my first guest today is a woman who's lived through what many only read about. Janice Trey, escaped Communist China, built a new life here in America, and now leads the Epoch Times as CEO. She's also been honored with the Voice of Courage Award. And when you hear a story, you're going to understand why. Janice, it's so good to see you.

[Janice Trey]

Thank you so much Jermaine for having me back on your programs. And I also want to delight to tell you that I'm a chairperson of the board for Epoch Times and I passed the baton for the day to day operations to my retainer and and now I'm able to focus more time on the fundraisings, public relations as well as many other activities that really change the world.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Well, I want to. I want to talk about you changing the world and you changing my world. Quite honestly, when I met you at Mar? A Lago last February and I didn't know what the seating situation was going to be and somehow I got positioned between you and G? Breca and I thought I won the lottery. I just. I've been reading the Epoch Times or Epoch Times. You're going to tell us about why there's two different ways to pronunciate that. But you also featured an article recently about me. So thank you very much. I appreciate that it such an honor. But Janice, I want to talk about you. You have lived through one of the most restrictive regimes in modern history. What was the moment when you knew you had to leave?

[Janice Trey]

Well, I was born during the Cultural Revolutions. My parents were engineers and so they were sent to forced labor camps in very remote southern part of China. At the time we were located in so remote that it took me one and a half hours walking to the closest school and walking through cemeteries, climb a hill, walk through crop fields. And I was a first child labor growing sugar cane for the school on the top of the hill. He will carry fertilizers heavier than myself. And during harvest season pick crops that will drop on the field because they use hand tools. And every day I must fill up a full bag of crops pick. Otherwise I was not allowed to return to school. So that was my childhood. And my first birthday cake was when I was 10 years old when I left China. And why I left China because my father, as an engineer, he knew that Einstein believed in God and he had never have any chance to learn Christianity. And so he sent me to Hong Kong to a Christian school.

[Shemaine Nugent]

And what was that like for you now? I mean, during the time you didn't know any other childhood, did you. Did you ever have happy moments or was it really all depressing?

[Janice Trey]

Well, I did not know what the world would look like because I was growing up in only one environment. So give you an example. Television. There was only one television for the entire labor camp. And there were only two occasions that we watched television was Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai's funeral. And everybody stood in front of the television must wear something black. And we didn't have enough black clothes. And so we cut it and then wrap around around the shoulder. That's what my association of televisions. It was only until I went to Hong Kong that oh, there are cartoons on television. There are lots of fun stuff and Lots of news and everything. And one I learned was I pick up paper slip that dropped from balloon that sent from Taiwan. And they talked the slip talk about we don't ride on bicycles, we have cars, we have refrigerator, we have washing, washer, dryer. And I asked my parents what the washer dryers, what the refrigerator. There was none of that. In fact, we didn't have our own bathrooms. And it's. I mean it was a really primitive living conditions and we have to grow our own vegetables and. Yeah, and we are kind of almost staffing. I mean it's like very, very limited food. So that really the trigger points was like what was sent from Taiwan. And I don't know it was true or not, but I thought somebody sent it. So I would assume there was a reason for sending it. And when I went to Hong Kong, I compared the textbooks for the same historic periods of Hong Kong, mainland China and Taiwan. Totally different descriptions. So it was at that time I knew that somebody not telling the full stories because it cannot be totally different for the same historic periods. And that kind of planted the seed. So I'm glad that eventually I get to media and able to tell the truth and New York Times believing truth, tradition and hope.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Well, I hate to say I'm glad that you went through that, but it's an incredible story and I want to get the truth out because a lot of people don't really understand number one, how good we have it here, but number two, how people can rise above difficult situations. And you did just that when you came to eventually came to America. Talk about that for a minute. How did you get here?

[Janice Trey]

So Tiananmen Square massacre was the trigger point. And my best friend was at medical school in Beijing and he worked on the ambulance. He personally carried dozens of dead bodies and injured students. And that changed my life. So I gave up everything. And actually my parents used up on their entire savings and let me have first years of tuitions and room and boards money. And I applied for different colleges in the US Never have a chance to visit any colleges. And at the end I landed at University Texas at Austin. It was one of the top public school lowest tuitions and the lowest living costs. And that was my choice. I was accepted by UC Berkeley, University of Florida, University of Virginia, University of Illinois Events, Champaign, University of Washington and Seattle. So and I was really fortunate. I have host family, Rhonda and Randy Goss, who took me to the home for the first Thanksgiving, took me to church and saw how the kids were baptized. And it was true. Freedom, I mean from not knowing anybody in Austin, Texas when I landed at the age of 19 and have no AP events course courses because there was none back then in. In my home country then and but America is the place not only with freedom but it's like opportunity. So I'll give you example. I never studied psychology in high school but there's such system as advanced placement. So I self study psychology and I pass and then I can condense my study. I was able to complete my undergraduate and my graduate study in a total of four years. Start from nothing. And that's what America's offer. You just have to work hard and opportunities abundance. And I was very fortunate that Randy and Rhonda Goss and also there are many people helped me on the way and I was working part time for three out of the four years except for the first years where international students were not allowed to work off campus. I had two jobs and then in the beginning of semesters have three jobs and so including jobs that nobody want to take. But it could fit in my hours. But on the other hand I also have professional job working as a real estate assistant and also accounting assistants to learn more professional work. But that I clean bathrooms and living rooms for 20 people for three strict years because those could fit my hours by having the other job. And then during beginning of school year I work at the ID centers and I can miss some classes and without consequences at the beginning of semester. And that's how I finance my educations from you know, from the second year onwards. But wow. This is a country that offer freedom. And I was very grateful for my mentor at church. She told me UT Austin has the number one accounting program since I landed there. I should go for the best and and get my CPA license certified public accounting license. And I passed exam in my first setting before my graduation and and then from there I work at five Fortune 500 companies. And when I was just about 30 years old I got an international assignment back to Asia.

[Shemaine Nugent]

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[Shemaine Nugent]

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[Janice Trey]

In the classrooms? You can ask questions and you can have the debates with professors in the totalitarian regimes is very submissive. You just have to be obedient to your teachers. So that open dialogue. And also with my host family. Their children are younger than me, and I tutor them for the math as well. And they will have, like, very good dialogue at the dining tables and, you know, almost the debates and, or even in the car together. And so that creativity and that, you know, kind of, you almost have an equal rights that you can all vote, you know, among the family members. And that was like, eye opening. Of course, I never experienced, you know, elections, you know, being back in the home country and so that I, I really appreciate. And ever since I become a US citizen, I always make sure that on voting dates I vote and it's important. Yeah.

[Shemaine Nugent]

So tell me about what's it like. Were you able to communicate with your family back in China once you came to America?

[Janice Trey]

Yeah, we have a phone call every week for three minutes because they charge you for three minutes regardless of less than three minutes. So my younger brother will time it and we say sis, 30 seconds left, 20 seconds because we cannot afford to call more than that. And so we treasure that moment. And I would share the story. My younger brother was almost killed. That was before one child policy. And then they started one child policy. My mom was already seven or eight months pregnant and they want to force abortion. And so my mom escaped to my grandmom's home until my brother was born. So I was lucky to have a younger brother. Most of my cousins, they were single child.

[Shemaine Nugent]

So they were forcing abortions even what, in the second, third trimester? Yes.

[Janice Trey]

Yeah. So many babies were killed and it was. And then they penalized my father and yeah, so they, they have the system where you may be deprived of education and they, they put a lot of hurdles even if you're successful in delivering the child.

[Shemaine Nugent]

So your father got penalized for getting your mom pregnant.

[Janice Trey]

Penalized for having the second child. So in the workplace and, and they make a really tough time and with him. Yeah, so. But life is so precious, you know. So my grandmom and my mom, you know, managed to preserve, you know, now I have my younger brother and he's also very successful. And so to give a voice to voiceless is so important because so many babies were killed, unborn babies were killed and they never have that voice. And we need to give a voice. Even though now the one child policy have changed. But there are lots of injustice in China. The Falun Gong practitioner being persecuted until today. They are being taken for their organs because they don't drink, they don't smoke, so they have a healthier life lifestyles and their organs are better qualities. And because of that they are being on demand killed for the organs and then sell to foreigners, you know, for very, very high price tag. And they also, you know, people go to underground churches because they want to, you know, we're all created by God. And how can people not having the basic chance of being reconnected with the creator. And also if you look at Internet in China, there's the five war and so there's censorship. And so on November 9, the anniversary of the Berlin war came down. My dear friend Jason Jones launched the Gabriel initiatives, calling President Trump to ask Xi Jinping to tear down the digital firewall and also end the Vatican still with with the Chinese Communist Party. And so that people could be liberated in their minds and be informed. Right now in under censorships, they are not informed. They don't have a chance to listen to gospel. They don't have a chance to choose faith, whether it's Falun Gong or Tibetan and all those. So it's so, so important that we should help China to gain that freedom, help the Chinese to get the freedom. Because in that totalitarian regime they cannot expect the government to change by itself. It needs some initiative.

[Shemaine Nugent]

And you talk about your brother being successful and thank God, praise God that he was able to be born and be healthy and be successful. But you are successful. Let's talk about you're launching something brand new. Tell us about that.

[Janice Trey]

Yeah, so I just want to share with the audience that something that I have used and is absolutely amazing is think of like a application, a tool that combine calling, chatting and video conferencing, file sharing all in one. It's called SafeMeet and it's used encryption technology that's used by the Department of Defense in Germany, France and UK So it's so highly secure that encryption frame by frame. So even somebody intercepted won't be able to get information. And it can allow thousands of people communicate at the same times. And you could choose the level of security. You can choose to meet every single person or there may be forum that you want to more open to the public that people get the link, they can get on it. So you have all those choices. And I think this is game changer. It's not only helpful for people living closed societies, but also in America you have been censored and there are many other people being censored. And so this is a platform that also has its own data centers, its own private server, private cloud. So the entire ecosystems is on a very safe and secure platforms. And so it is in the beta testing stage. But you know, I have friends who have tried and in fact you probably know Jaco.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Yes.

[Janice Trey]

You know for like six years. So when he heard about he immediately downloaded he said because he provide counseling for those who escape the human trafficking and they, they still live under fear. And so having a secure tool means.

[Shemaine Nugent]

So much that you know, I never thought about that. But yeah, I know Jaco, he's been on this show before, need to get him back on. But that's so True, we think about censored and you know, to me at the time is a big, big deal. But for people who are escaping, number one, escaping communist China, for example, or human trafficking, we don't think about what they're going through and how they can't let their whereabouts be known. So they need this encryption. When do you expect that this is going to be available to the public?

[Janice Trey]

People can download from SafeMet US S A F E M E E T and they can go to Apple Store, Google and they have also have the web versions, they have desktop versions, they can try that out. It's just not officially launched but you know, test it out and just update more regularly because there are a lot of enhancements being made.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Well, I can't wait to try it. Janice, it's been such a pleasure as always to have you on the show. What an honor it was to meet you and your husband in Waco, Texas last year. It's just I feel that God, God put this, put us together and I'm so grateful.

[Janice Trey]

And I also want the audience to read about the article the Epoch Times leave of Shamayne. It was such a beautiful article and capture Shemaine's abundant life, you know, how she really lived in a very uplifting life and help others and it's, you know, her fitness routines and how she approach things. So much to learn. So don't miss the articles.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Well, thank you so much Janice and please come back. I want to hear more about this new project and everything else that you're doing. Give my best to your husband as well.

[Janice Trey]

Thank you so much.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Okay, we'll be right back with more faith and freedom. Don't forget, stick around at the end we're going to have Pastor Anthony Thomas and more about Moms Arise virtual program that you're going to be able to attend. We'll be right back.

[JJ Carroll]

Relish the opportunity to be an outsider because it's the outsiders who change the world.

[Shemaine Nugent]

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Well is the opportunity to be an outsider because it's the outsiders who change the world.

[Shemaine Nugent]

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[JJ Carroll]

Thank you very much for having me. We are living through the manifestations of that treason for those four years during Biden and Mayorkas's reign on the border.

[Shemaine Nugent]

So you and I were talking. There's so much going on right now and we, we have seen visually that the border is closed. But what I, I've been asking and no one, no one can answer is where did all those people that came across the border go?

[JJ Carroll]

They went all across America and they did. And the deportations, the mass deportations, the, that Trump promised just aren't happening. And I'm the biggest supporter, Donald Trump, and you're right, he shut the border down. I have all my friends and colleagues down on the border. They call or text me and say, we're just bored. There's nothing going on, meaning no one's crossing. Okay. That's the very first thing you have to do when your house is being flooded, is cut off. The main, the source of the water. Same thing with the border. You have to cut everything off at the head where everyone's coming in. But now our focus must be on the interior because we have a ticking time bomb. And what is that ticking time bomb? It's demographics. So you have 50 million. Some people are even claiming it's closer to 60 million. But I feel comfortable with 50 million illegal aliens are in America right now and we're deporting 500,000 per Donald Trump. And I don't really believe that number, to be quite honest with you, but let's just go with it. 500,000 people have been deported in 10, 11 months. That's a drop in the bucket. That many legal visa holders this year, minimum, will overstay their visas. So we're not even, we're trying to remove our flooded basement using red solo cups. That's the analogy I use because it's not happening.

[Shemaine Nugent]

That's a great analogy. That's a great analogy. And you argue in your book Treason that This isn't just mismanagement, it's intentional. So what made you choose that word? Treason. Treason first. And then what evidence led you there?

[JJ Carroll]

Well, the evidence was my 24 years in the United States Border Patrol. And my last year in the United States Border Patrol as a senior leader was Joe Biden's first year in the as president. And I witnessed 94 executive orders cascade down on his first day, obliterating the border, the most secure border in the history of the United States of America, until Trump's second term. So I witnessed all this and then I just continue to do research and film documentaries on it. And everything that Joe Biden did, through Secretary Mayorkas, through the DHS secretary, was to fundamentally destroy the border. We had 30 million people cross the border in four years. Donald Trump has finally admitted to 25 million. I think we're splitting hairs, but we can get to 30 million. 30 million. If you don't like my numbers and you think I'm crazy, but my numbers are spot on. But if, let's say you think I'm crazy, the federal government under Joe Biden, Joe Biden's federal government admitted to 18 million. Are you okay with over four, four and a quarter, four and a half million people, illegal aliens coming into America every single year? And then everybody just goes, well, maybe it was just bad policy. No, no, no, this was intentional. Everything that they did was unconstitutional, against the law. Why does Trump boast that he has not released anybody in the last four months right from the border? The reason why he didn't release anybody is because it's against the Immigration Nationality act, meaning it's against the law to release illegal aliens. Under Joe Biden, he released 95 to 97% of every single person that he arrested he released into America.

[Shemaine Nugent]

So what worries me, it all worries me. But, no, I'm not okay with it. I'm not okay that we have veterans who fought for this country, fought for the right for you and I to have this conversation. And I don't know if you heard my previous guest, Janice Trey, she was living in Communist China. They weren't allowed to ask any questions. Thank goodness we have this platform and we can do that. But what worries me, one of the main things is that is there going to be a call to action for these people who have been dispersed throughout the United States, Ringing of the bell, so to speak. Can we create, can they create an attack that's worse than 9, 11 on American soil?

[JJ Carroll]

Absolutely. And every single person that's in the terrorist world, in the Illegal immigration World says it's not an if, it's a when and how bad. Let me give your audience just. And the media just, just skimmed right over it. Last week Kristi Noem came out and she last week and said 9 million people, illegal aliens, were given Social Security numbers by the Joe Biden administration illegally. Then she said, we have found, this is unbelievable. We have found 6,000 people that were on the terrorist watch list that were given Social Security numbers and we're trying to round them up right now. 6,000. In my career, I arrested five special interest aliens directly and indirectly out of probably 100,000 people in my career. Joe Biden border patrol arrested 200,000 plus special interest alien. Those are terrorists and released them all into America. So you have cells that are in America. They're just waiting for the go call. And everyone in the business knows that's truth. And no matter what the media, no matter what our government tries to, to calm our fears, we've allowed the enemy into America. It's just a matter of time. That's all it is. It's just a matter of time, unfortunately.

[Shemaine Nugent]

And we just had Veterans Day where we honor and celebrate those who died for us and just calling attention to their bravery. People like Joey Jones who lost both of his legs in war. And you know, you gotta ask, what are these wars for if we can't even protect our own border and we're letting criminals into this country that, you know, they're talking about enacting Sharia law. You've seen it in Houston, you've seen it in Dearborn, Michigan. What do your spidey senses tell you that? Number one, what can we do? Number two, when's it going to happen?

[JJ Carroll]

I don't know when it's going to happen. Everyone that I talk to just says, like I told you, it's a when. When's this going to happen? It doesn't. You don't have to be an intellectual giant just to put all the pieces together and say, okay, this is the outcome. Like there is no other outcome. You brought in radicalized people into our country by the millions because 60 to 70% of the 30 million people that cross the border are single adult military age men. What do you think is going to happen? Right? Let me give you a scenario. Let's say that we go to war with whoever China, Pickett and men like me are going out and going to war. Who's left here?

[Shemaine Nugent]

Yeah, yeah.

[JJ Carroll]

The women and children and the illegal aliens. So they will just devour us from within. Look the greatest enemy of the United States of America is our own government. I state that with emphatically and without hesitation or apology. The greatest enemy of our nation is the United States of America. What did America do after supposedly 911 happened and Muslims flew planes into the World Trade Centers and Building 7 had like a little fire and it imploded. Right. So what did we do? Well, we quadrupled the number of Muslims we brought into America. Is that insanity?

[Shemaine Nugent]

Make that make sense.

[JJ Carroll]

It doesn't. Unless you look at. I've always said this through my career and writing books and research about this. When you rip off your America first. I love America apple pie. Our government's great. Everybody's here together. When you rip those glasses off and then you put on a different pair of lenses, that hate America, that despise her, that think that she's oppressive, patriotism, slave owners. When you put those glasses on, it makes perfect sense what they're doing. They're wanting to fundamentally transform America. Well, how do you do that? Do they convince me and you and people like your husband to give up our second amendment, give up our first amendment to know what a constitution is, or do you just replace us? Just replace us right now? I want your audience to understand this. And this is fact. Check me all you want. 50 million illegal aliens in America and 50, 55 million visa holders are in America. We have infrastructure that's supposed to work for 350 million people, but it's at breaking point for 450 to 460 million. Why do you think housing shortages? Because we're housing 105 million more people. There should be a moratorium on legal immigration and everyone is removed from our country. And until Donald Trump makes that declarative statement and then puts the military with the border patrol and ice, we're just whistling and Dixie and lying to each other. That's it. It's not going to happen.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Wow. Unfortunately, I totally agree with you and it's sad, it's scary. But jj, I would love it if you come back again and I want to talk to you about trafficking. You've been on here before talking about child trafficking, human trafficking and what's going on with that. How can people find you and follow you?

[JJ Carroll]

You can find me. Just go to my website, JJCarroll.com JJCarroll.com and you're right. 550,000 children were traffick America and we've only found 25,000. Where are the other 525,000? Gone missing. How do you lose that many children? It's impossible. They're in select. They're in sex trafficking and labor trafficked right now as we speak, unfortunately.

[Shemaine Nugent]

It's disgusting. Check out JJ's book Treason. It's a must read and a warning about what's to come. J.J. carroll, thank you so much for joining me.

[JJ Carroll]

Thank you very much. Have a great day.

[Shemaine Nugent]

You too. God bless. Don't go away. We're back with Pastor Anthony Thomas and a special word and more about where you can join my virtual meeting. Stick around. We'll be right back.

[JJ Carroll]

Relish the opportunity to be an outsider because it's the outsiders who change the world.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this.

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I'm Rodney Williams. And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break. Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger. And that's exactly why we created the wealthbreak. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles and real wins. We're here to talk about the journey. You'll hear from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories. And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities. Like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same. So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place. Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

[Shemaine Nugent]

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[JJ Carroll]

Well, it's the opportunity to be an outsider because it's the outsiders who change the world.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Perhaps you were born for such a time as this. Now, after conversations like that, it's important to pause and refocus our hearts. And here is a message of hope and restoration from Pastor Anthony Thomas from Tip of the Spirit Church in Naples, Florida. Take a look.

[JJ Carroll]

Hello, faith and freedom warriors. This is Pastor Anthony Thomas, Tip of the Spirit Church, Naples, Florida. Hope you're having a wonderful week. Want to bring you a message of encouragement and of restoration. David, in Psalm 23, the Psalmist said this. He said, he leads me beside the still waters and he restores my soul. Still waters are deep waters. And the Bible says that deep calls out unto deep. That means God can speak to you and send a word and your soul, soul in areas that have been damaged through this life. All of us have been through trials, tribulation, setbacks, things that hurt and fractured us inside of our soul, our mind, our body, our soul and our spirit. And only God can send a word that can bring restoration. Restoration. Such a powerful theme. It means God restores you back to your original condition. None of us know how we originally looked before sin marred our soul. But God is faithful and he can and he will restore you so that you might fulfill your God given destiny. Let us pray today.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Father.

[JJ Carroll]

We thank you God, that you're a restorative. God, you're a God of mercy and of grace. And God, you can take broken things in our life and make them whole. God, we ask that you would lead us as the chief shepherd to the still waters that we might drink freely of your river of life. And God, we're asking that you would restore us body, soul and spirit right now. That we might be whole and we might fulfill our God given destiny in this life. We ask this in Jesus mighty name. Amen. Thank you. I hope you have a wonderful week. If you want to watch some more messages, please go on.

[Janice Trey]

Rumble.

[JJ Carroll]

Look up Tip of the Spear Church in Naples. Or you can go tipofthespiritchurch.org God bless you. Semper Fidelis. Pastor Anthony out.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Well, thank you, Pastor Anthony. And now here's a quick word from Hannah Keeley. She's America's number one mom coach with a simple tip to bring peace and structure back into your day. Take a look. Hey there, Mama. It's Hannah Keeley here. America's number one mom coach and I've got a two minute tip for you. So does it ever feel like as a mom, you start the day and you're already behind? Like the day is scattered all over the place and you go to bed at night and you feel like you got nothing done? I totally get you. And this is partially due to your mom brain. The mom brain loves to stay in a state of overwhelm and overstimulation and all of a sudden you feel like the day is just scattered and you don't have any structure. So we're going to put an end to this by establishing bookends. Now imagine if you had a shelf with some books up there and no bookend. One little nudge and all of a sudden books go scattered all over the place. Kind of like the typical day four mom. One simple little nudge and all of a sudden everything in your day is just scattered and you feel like you're getting nothing done. So we're going to establish bookends. We're going to establish an AM routine and a PM routine. Just two simple habits that can give your day structure. So you're telling your brain, we're starting the day, we're ending the day.

[Janice Trey]

Day.

[Shemaine Nugent]

Now, an AM routine, just something super simple. It could just be, I'm going to make up my bed. That's where I'm going to start one simple habit. A simple routine to start your day. The end. The PM routine could be something simple too, like lay out your clothes for the next day. Now I know these sound simple, but that's the magic of it. There is so much power in the simplicity because it's telling your brain, we're beginning the day and we're ending the day. And now you're able to structure so much more. Now I understand as a mom it can be challenging at times. That's why Chemain and I are doing an event for moms called Moms Arise. It's a way to help you establish the most powerful version of yourself as a mom, as a woman, so you're able to get more done and enjoy life a lot more and eliminate all the stress. So just go to momsarise.com shemaine that's going to get you in the door and also you're going to be able to get so many more bonuses when you get registered. I'll see you at Moms Arise. I want to see all you moms out there. Moms arise.com Shamaine okay, it is mailbox time. Your stories, your questions Your take on what's really going on. Let's see what you had to say this week. This is from Sharon Hall. Shimane. You're the first to cut your hair and I love it. You're beautiful. Thank you very much. I've been watching all these glamour girls with their hair hanging over their whatever. Yes. And thought it was part of their daily wardrobe. It's actually getting to the point of nauseam seeing all women online, TV everywhere wear their hair as part of their wardrobe. When you watch as much as I do, all the women personalities on Rav Fox just everywhere, even new shows with weather women all displaying. She goes into great detail, but basically she says, I noticed it when you showed up with yours cut. Hats off to you. Kudos to you. I hope you inspire the rest of them to cut their hair. Love the shoulder length look. I'm a cosmetologist from way back when women used to rely on just cosmetologists to make them look beautiful. But thank you so much, Sharon. She says she loves the show they watch every Sunday morning. And I got to tell you, everywhere I go lately we've been out and sometimes I wonder, like, does anybody really watch the show? Everywhere I go, I've had people come up to me almost in tears. The other day a woman came up, it was at a funeral actually. And she said, thank God for you and Ted. Thank you for Rav Real America's Voice. Thank you for sharing your stories and. And all these incredible interviews that you do. So thank you. If you want to send me a message, I would love to hear it. Like Sharon Hall. Thank you so much, Sharon, for sharing that. You can email me at shamaine chat gmail.com shamane chat gmail.com okay, one more thing to do and we can wrap this show up. This week it's been heavy from Janice Trey to J.J. carroll. Lots going on. But I always have to end with something to make you smile. So take a look.

[JJ Carroll]

It.

[Shemaine Nugent]

You greedy. Come on. Going for a walk.

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[Shemaine Nugent]

Oh, my goodness. I would love to have that someday. But if you want to see more about my dogs, I feature your dogs. Send your videos to shamain chat gmail.com but if you want to take a look at my dogs, you can follow me on my social media. I'm on Instagram. I post more about my dogs. There's there Sadie, Coco and Jackson and Ted riding around on the four wheeler. And they're just having so much fun all the time, our dogs. They just buoy our spirits. And I'm So grateful for dogs. You know, you could have the worst day, bad hair day or things that are really bad and your dog just turns everything around for you. They just want love and it's, it's such a blessing. So if you haven't read my books yet, you can check out. I talk about my dogs a little bit in my books abundantly well. And Killer House. And Killer House is where I share a personal story about how I went from near death to healing through faith. And both of them are available right now on Amazon. And you know, with everything else that's going on, I want to, to encourage you to stay encouraged. You can sign up for my free email newsletter@shamane Nugent.rocks. that's R O C K S and you can follow me on Instagram for more faith, freedom and wellness. I had a couple of surprises coming soon so you're definitely going to want to join my email list and be the first to get notified. And also don't forget, guys, I always end this show with Esther 414. It's so important to me. I really, I really do believe like sometimes in, in the most unlikely. I feel like I'm, I'm an unlikely messenger and in the most unlikely situations somebody will randomly come to me and thank me for doing this show. It's really. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys for sharing and thank you to the incredible sponsors who sponsored this show. I could not do it without them. It literally takes so many people. How many do we have there? Rodney? Rodney is my producer in Denver. We got a whole team of people on Real America's Voice trying to put this all together. So thank you from the bottom of my heart. It's so important you listen to Janice Trey's message. To not be able to have a debate, to not be able to ask questions. Boy, I bet you there's nothing that she doesn't appreciate now being here in the United States. So, so thank you guys so much for watching. Please share this show and remember, Esther 414 reminds us that we were all born for such a time as this. I'm Chemain Nugent. Thank you so much for joining me here every week on Faith and Freedom. I'll see you right here next Sunday.

[JJ Carroll]

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[Shemaine Nugent]

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[Rodney Williams]

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[Shemaine Nugent]

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