FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU | JULY 5th, 2026

Summary

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Podcast Summary: FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU | JULY 5th, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Lance Wallnau (with Joe Getty and guests Mike Lindell & Alex)
Date: July 5, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of "Firewall with Lance Wallnau" dives into questions of American patriotism, media distortion, the power of perspective, and spiritual transformation. Lance and Joe analyze mainstream narratives versus grassroots reality, highlight Bill Maher’s unexpected celebration of America, and feature Alex—a former tarot card reader—sharing her testimony of leaving the occult for Christianity. The final segment is an in-depth conversation with Mike Lindell (MyPillow CEO and political activist) about media suppression, election integrity, and his campaign for governor of Minnesota.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Toxicity of Modern News & Media Algorithms

Timestamps: 01:43–08:35

• Lance shares a personal anecdote about how negativity (a business advisor’s dire warnings before a vacation) can ruin what should be restful, paralleling how news/media pollutes our mental state.

  "I could have had a great sabbatical...but I didn't because I was infected by someone else's toxic negativity." – Lance Wallnau [03:47]

• The news is powered by algorithms, feeding users the most emotionally charged and divisive content, not the average American viewpoint.

  "News is driven by algorithms...your newsfeed is going to be like crack cocaine" – Lance Wallnau [03:56; 04:25]

• Mainstream media elites, both right and left, don’t reflect the values and sentiments of most Americans—highlighted through examples like JD Vance’s appearance on "The View".

2. True American Sentiment: Research & Bill Maher’s Perspective

Timestamps: 06:02–13:10

• Sharing cross-tabs research, Lance reports that 90% of Americans display patriotic positivity, contrasting sharply with media narratives.

  "90% of Americans feel some degree of patriotic positivity towards the United States of America." – Lance Wallnau [07:01]

• Lance discusses Bill Maher’s World Cup monologue, which surprisingly praised America:

  "Bill Maher: ...the World Cup has brought to our shores all these people who are doing Americans the service of reminding us...that actually this place is kind of awesome...The name of our country is America, not Utopia...[We] can only be more perfect than Belgium." [11:06–12:10]

• Noting media selectivity, Lance observes that Maher’s biblical reference to Eden was censored from some coverage.

  "Even in the dang paper they quoted out Eden. I read to you what he said in the paper, but they didn't want a reference to Eden." – Lance Wallnau [12:27–12:33]

3. Outside Perspective: Foreign Visitors on American Positivity

Timestamps: 13:50–16:39

• Clips from UK/European commentators express amazement at how different America is from the negative media portrayal:

  "We owe America a huge apology because America is nothing like what the media tells us." – UK Commentator [14:18]

• Experiencing heartland America surprises visitors with its friendliness and diversity.
• The panel discusses how European and Chinese media mischaracterize America, and how constant negativity is not necessarily a sign of national strength.

4. Choosing What You Hear & Spiritual Testimonies

Timestamps: 16:04–21:54

• Quoting Jesus, Lance emphasizes personal responsibility in filtering what you listen to:

  "What Jesus said is take heed what you hear. You have the option of determining what you actually listen to. And that's important." – Lance Wallnau [16:05]

• Testimony: Alex, formerly a leading tarot card reader, shares how Christianity transformed her life and led her to renounce occult practices:

  "I am not going to be offering any more readings or sessions…I don't know exactly what comes next for me. But what I do know is that Jesus Christ has saved my life, and I can no longer ignore that reality." – Alex [19:22–20:35]

• Lance and Joe discuss similar spiritual journeys, with Lance recounting personal and family stories involving I Ching, and how he was convicted to leave occult practices behind:

  "Let me tell you something. The spirit realm is real." – Lance Wallnau [21:54]

5. Mike Lindell: Media Suppression, Election Integrity & Governorship Run

Timestamps: 25:55–50:28

• Mike Lindell joins to talk about his viral Rose Garden moment, spiritual boldness, media cancel culture, and unrelenting activism:

  "When I got read to the one side about being a vertically integrated company, I said, sir, do you mind if I say something? ...And...we were praying for God's grace and that a nation had turned its back on God, and we need to spend time getting back in the Word." – Mike Lindell [29:04–29:58]

• On being deplatformed/canceled:

  "If you spoke out for Jesus, if you spoke against the vaccine, or if you spoke out about the election...you were canceled." – Mike Lindell [32:56]

• On lawsuit struggles and election activism: lost over $20 million defending against Dominion, invested upwards of $50–60 million building the Election Crime Bureau and fighting for election security, spent time and resources on voter roll transparency:

  "20 million in lawyer bills just with Dominion...another 10 [million] with Smartmatic...another 50 to 60 million in building my election crime bureau..." – Mike Lindell [37:30]

• Reveals Dominion’s recent case against him was dropped and released a new “800-page report” via LindellTV.com.
• Minnesota governor’s race: faces GOP obstacles, voting machine controversies at the convention, election “fraud” concerns, pledges to tackle tax and welfare fraud, and frames Minnesota as a prototype for nationwide reform.

  "If you take out all the fraud, Minnesota is in the top in the nation." – Mike Lindell [47:54]

• Appeals for support, directing listeners to lindellgov.com.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On American Positivity:

  "90% of Americans feel some degree of patriotic positivity towards the United States of America." – Lance Wallnau [07:01]

• Bill Maher’s American Optimism:

  "The name of our country is America, not Utopia." – Bill Maher [11:35]

• Foreign Perceptions:

  "America is nothing like what the media tells us." – UK/European commentator [14:18]
  "Every single state...is like a completely different country." – UK/European commentator [14:51]

• On Spiritual Transformation:

  "What I do know is that Jesus Christ has saved my life, and I can no longer ignore that reality." – Alex [20:30]

• On Media Censorship:

  "If you spoke out for Jesus, if you spoke against the vaccine, or if you spoke out about the election, the stolen election... you were canceled." – Mike Lindell [32:56]

• On Minnesota's Political Challenges:

  "After the fourth round, I'm in third place. ...They said there was a problem with the voting machines. The code went down for three hours..." – Mike Lindell [43:31]
  "If you take out all the fraud, Minnesota is in the top in the nation." – Mike Lindell [47:54]

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Important Segments (Timestamps)

• Media & Algorithms Analysis: 01:43–08:35
• Patriotism, Research & Bill Maher: 07:01–13:10
• Foreign Visitor Reactions: 13:50–16:39
• Spiritual Testimonies: 19:22–21:54
• Mike Lindell’s Rose Garden Story: 25:55–29:58
• Media Cancellation Episode: 32:56–37:25
• Minnesota Governor Campaign & Election Integrity: 39:14–50:28

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Episode Tone & Style

The conversation is candid, passionate, and at times, humorous, blending personal stories, cultural criticism, patriotic themes, and spiritual testimony. The hosts maintain a direct, informal manner; guests are engaged and energized; and the overarching tone is one of encouragement for faith, resilience, and optimistic activism—especially when confronting media and systemic challenges.

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For further information or involvement, listeners are encouraged to visit:

• lindellgov.com (Mike Lindell’s campaign)
• LindellTV.com (for new documentary and evidence releases)

Transcript

[Mike Lindell]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Alex (tarot card reader)]

Guaranteed Human.

[Jack Armstrong]

Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on Demand? We're not boring. A lot of news is boring and tedious and depressing. It makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.

[Lance Wallnau]

How about something about a comedic tone?

[Joe Getty]

We have a winner.

[Jack Armstrong]

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[Joe Getty]

Well, ladies and gentlemen, we are back

[Lance Wallnau]

in the Lance Wall now show.

[Joe Getty]

And you know what?

[Lance Wallnau]

I'm amazed at how

[Bill Maher (clip)]

you know, it'd

[Lance Wallnau]

be terrible to find out that you bought into some negative mindset, only to find out later on that everything is positive. I'll never forget one time I went on vacation. I had a guy advising me years ago, and the Lord said, go with your wife on a sabbatical. You're going to take a couple of weeks off. Just you need to get away from the stress of all that you're in and just be with me and be with your wife. Now. That's what the Lord told me to do. This was like over a decade ago. So I started taking some weeks off in the summer to recalibrate, as I call it. And I made the mistake of bringing on board young guy who was a young business guy.

[Joe Getty]

And as he drives me to the

[Lance Wallnau]

airport, he says, want you to know you're near bankruptcy. You're in a real crisis, but I think we're going to be able to help you. First of all, I wasn't near bankruptcy, but the guy said he was doing a deep dive forensic and that things were like a lot worse than I knew. And I'll tell you what I realized when I got back. I got back, by the way, and had one of the best years of my life. Things did not go the way this guy said. But I realized that it killed and destroyed it. Made toxic my couple of weeks with my wife because I kept on worrying about what it was that was going on that I didn't know about, that that I needed to get familiar with. But this guy said he was going to handle it. No, no, don't worry about it. You just leave it with me.

[Joe Getty]

Never should have left.

[Lance Wallnau]

First of all, I made a mistake by bringing the guy on board. He didn't stay, but I had like this whole trauma. And what I'm trying to tell you is I could have had a great sabbatical, a couple of weeks off, but I didn't because I was infected by someone else's toxic negativity.

[Joe Getty]

Now, here's the point. Understand that news

[Lance Wallnau]

is driven by algorithms,

[Joe Getty]

which is why, like X used to

[Lance Wallnau]

be Twitter is so bad. I mean, it's addictive like crack cocaine, because you're going to have a dopamine hit, either adrenaline rush of anger, agitation

[Joe Getty]

of being upset, or like, you know,

[Lance Wallnau]

hype on your side fighting back.

[Joe Getty]

Because the algorithm is whatever you emotionally

[Lance Wallnau]

respond to, it sends more of.

[Joe Getty]

So if you really get triggered by something, it sends the trigger, crack cocaine

[Lance Wallnau]

factory to your, to your, to your face.

[Joe Getty]

Therefore, your newsfeed is going to be like, last thing you want to do

[Lance Wallnau]

is ever check stuff like your social media before you go to bed. I mean, if you're like me, it just jacks you up till, you know, two in the morning. So here's what's happened in the United States of America, ladies and gentlemen, we

[Joe Getty]

are living with the majority of the

[Lance Wallnau]

media, top of the media mountain. Whether you're on the right or on

[Joe Getty]

the left, it's driven by the algorithm of the extreme. We don't have conservative evangelical maga people watching the View. So when Pence.

[Lance Wallnau]

Not Pence, more. What decade am I in? When Vice President, you know, JD Vance

[Joe Getty]

goes on the View, which was really

[Lance Wallnau]

to sell a book, his publisher made him go, that wasn't like a bold political move. That was a, that was a commercial decision.

[Joe Getty]

When he goes on the View, he

[Lance Wallnau]

does a great job in a hostile environment.

[Joe Getty]

What makes it interesting news for us is one of our people just went over to Zombieland. But we're not over there watching. We're not driving the revenue because over there, the left wing wackos are watching that.

[Lance Wallnau]

I suppose they could Say the right wing nutjobs are watching, you know, people like me.

[Joe Getty]

All right, be that as it may, my point is we're hearing the most

[Lance Wallnau]

incendiary aspects of a conversation that may not represent most of America.

[Joe Getty]

And here's my point.

[Lance Wallnau]

Friend of mine named Mark Nuttall, Mark Dunlop was a Milton Friedman associate economist, lawyer, helped to work with Paul Weyrich in the building of what was the early days of the Christian right. He was actually Pat Robertson's campaign manager many moons ago. Those of you that remember Pat Robertson,

[Joe Getty]

and he said to me that he

[Lance Wallnau]

had done a comprehensive survey and he used the word crosstabs, which is consultant speak for a wide spectrum of Americans. That means not just conservative right wing, but independents, liberals, left wing, you know, gay, straight, you know, Hispanic, you know, Caucasian, black. So the cross tabs mean it was a real sampling and it was on what people value in America. It's important what people value because values is kind of like the.

[Joe Getty]

If you don't know who I am,

[Lance Wallnau]

but I can establish rapport with you that we have the same values, we quickly move into the trust continuum of you liking and trusting and believing me because we share the same values. Likewise, if you don't share the same values, you go in the opposite direction. You become oppositional to those people. Are you all with me now? His survey found that, get this, 90% of Americans feel some degree of patriotic positivity towards the United States of America.

[Joe Getty]

Now that may not be the coastal elites, that may not be Harvard and faculty, that may not be LA media, that may not be New York newsrooms. Understand the coastal elites, where Victor Davis

[Lance Wallnau]

Hanson refers to as the Silicon Valley

[Joe Getty]

and coastal elites, which are on the east coast and west coast, that they don't represent the majority of that red vastness of America. And here's my point. 90% are positive about America. But you don't know that because you think that like then they do a Democrat Party survey and they say that there's only like 25% of them are

[Lance Wallnau]

actually positive about America. Well, I'm going to tell you something. If 85, let's say the scale of

[Joe Getty]

the sliding scale there was like 85

[Lance Wallnau]

to 90% positive about America. That's actually true.

[Joe Getty]

But you don't hear it because the algorithm is, what you're getting is algorithm news, meaning you're always hearing the most incendiary right wing and left wing talking points, whether it's Fox or whether it's cnn.

[Lance Wallnau]

You're not getting the average.

[Joe Getty]

And so America's under The bombardment. Like I was going on my little sabbatical.

[Lance Wallnau]

I can't call it a sabbatical. Sabbatical should be six months. I mean my little vacation because I got toxic in. But you're going to go bankrupt. So Bill Maher comes up with an article here. Interesting.

[Joe Getty]

Bill Maher. You know it annoys me that we always have to go to Bill Maher,

[Lance Wallnau]

but Bill Maher, for some reason he

[Joe Getty]

says stuff that our side could say,

[Lance Wallnau]

but he just, I don't know, we quote him, but he said, you know,

[Joe Getty]

look, regarding the World cup he was covering.

[Lance Wallnau]

I'm going to give you some clips in a second here to prove this.

[Joe Getty]

He's saying, I'm loving that the World cup has brought to our shores all of these people that are doing Americans the service of reminding us that just when we needed it on our big 250th birthday, that actually the place is kind of awesome. Thank God Bill Maher doesn't feel like. Can you see Jimmy Kimmel saying that this place is kind of awesome? They would have to add to it except for Donald Trump. He just leaves it right there. Yeah, the country's kind of awesome. The name of our country is America, not Utopia.

[Lance Wallnau]

This is where good writers help you.

[Joe Getty]

We can't be more perfect than what's in your mind. We can only be more perfect than Belgium. Social media flooded videos of slack jawed soccer tourists wandering around America positively gushing about everything we take for granted reminding us that America looks like from the outside, just regular people looking around and saying wow, these people are like rock stars. So maybe it's just a coincidence, but I think you know, it's something in the American system. It's the character that we have the highest number of Nobel Prize winners. We've invented the light bulb, the telephone, the smartphone, the airplane, personal computers, skyscrapers, the steel industry, asphalt tires, automobiles and the party sized bag of extra flamin hot Cheetos.

[Lance Wallnau]

The point is he actually likes America. And that's what puts him on the on the on the outs with all the people that just hate America bitter because they're toxically contaminated by the parasitic mind virus that control. And it's demonic that controls the left.

[Joe Getty]

You think I'm joking? I'm serious. Here's what he's looking at. Play video. Cut. Well, cut. I didn't know you had Bill Maher. Why am I reading him if we got it? Play cut two.

[Bill Maher (clip)]

But I am loving that the World cup has brought to our shores all these people who are doing Americans the service of reminding us, just when we needed it on our big 250 birthday, that actually this place is kind of awesome. And yes, I know, how dare I? How privileged. When there are so many problems and threats and people left behind.

[Lance Wallnau]

All true.

[Bill Maher (clip)]

I could give you the statistics where we are not good enough and have done so many times. Infant mortality rate, 54th in the world. Women in government, 85th. Overdose deaths, lack of health insurance. Yes, many problems. But that's because the name of our country is America, not Utopia. And the appropriate comparison isn't to the Eden you might imagine, it's to every other place on earth. We can't be more perfect than what's in your mind. We can only be more perfect than Belgium.

[Lance Wallnau]

That's interesting that.

[Joe Getty]

You know, I just read that and even when they.

[Lance Wallnau]

Even when they have the papers here, it's.

[Mike Lindell]

They.

[Joe Getty]

They change.

[Lance Wallnau]

They even change.

[Joe Getty]

Even.

[Lance Wallnau]

Even in the dang paper they quoted out Eden.

[Joe Getty]

I read to you what he said

[Lance Wallnau]

in the paper, but they didn't want a reference to Eden. They actually removed a biblical reference.

[Joe Getty]

But we'll be right back.

[Lance Wallnau]

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[Jack Armstrong]

Why should you listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand? We're not boring. Lotta news is boring and tedious and depressing and makes want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong.

[Joe Getty]

He's Joe Getty.

[Jack Armstrong]

We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world.

[Lance Wallnau]

How about something about a comedic tone?

[Joe Getty]

We have a winner.

[Jack Armstrong]

Yes, listen to Armstrong. You get it on Demand on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Getty]

All right, so here we are back again and I want to play for you some actual. Let me hear from the people around the world and what they're saying.

[UK/European commentator]

I've got to say, collectively we owe the USA an Apology. And when I say we, I mean the entire world. Guys, I think we owe you a big apology. Because what we think America's like is exactly not what it's like. We owe America a huge apology because America is nothing like what the media tells us.

[Mike Lindell]

The UK and the rest of Europe owe America one big apology.

[UK/European commentator]

I really do think the world owes America an apology. Like, I really do. I stand by it. I'm so happy and glad that the World cup has been here in America and people across the world are now traveling to America and they are realizing how beautiful the country is, how beautiful the people in America are, how well mannered, how polite, how respectful they are. Every single state, every is like a completely different country.

[Joe Getty]

Was that a campaign we owe an apology?

[Lance Wallnau]

It looks like I'm interested that all the guys from the UK were all saying that.

[Joe Getty]

But what they're saying is beyond the fact that it's interesting to me that

[Lance Wallnau]

they had that script. They, they said it for a reason. European media is as warped as American media. Only what you're hearing is they really misrepresent us as. And China loves it. China loves the way the left trashes America. You never get that in China. You never get negative news in China about China. But we think it's a strength of ours. I'm not sure it's a strength at all. I don't think it's a strength when teachers are teaching the children to hate their country any more than it's a strength for someone to have your kids in their house and then have them, you know, bashing the parents for what lousy parents they are to your children. I think there is a demonic element of sowing strife and such that in a free society you have the power to say whatever you want.

[Joe Getty]

But here's the key.

[Lance Wallnau]

What Jesus said is take heed what you hear. You have the option of determining what you actually listen to. And that's important.

[Joe Getty]

So I want you to hear this 17 second cut four from Japan.

[Lance Wallnau]

Nothing like. Nothing like Japanese singing the karaoke machine on I love you Baby. Anyway, but the point is the World cup is a great opportunity for us to realize the world doesn't see us the way we see ourselves when they visit us. And by the way, there's a distinction.

[Joe Getty]

If they flew into Los Angeles or

[Lance Wallnau]

New York, they might not know that because those are cities, those sanctuary type, left wing dominated blue cities are not characteristic of what they're actually running into. Dallas and Phoenix, Atlanta.

[Joe Getty]

In other words, when you go into

[Lance Wallnau]

the heartland or you go into the middle America, you get exposed to, like, BUC EE's, and the average American was

[Joe Getty]

like real friendly and actually interest. And it's true. The majority of the folks that you

[Lance Wallnau]

see in the heartland of America are warm. And they. And I could hear the only people that don't agree with me are people that are toxically liberal. And that's because they misunderstand that these people are experiencing America not on the coastal elite areas, but in the real. The interior of America. And they're finding America is really beautiful as.

[Joe Getty]

As they should.

[Lance Wallnau]

Now I'm going to switch over to something real quick because I want to

[Joe Getty]

jump over some more good news.

[Lance Wallnau]

I'm in a good news kind of moment right now.

[Joe Getty]

Someone told me that there's this lady who is a, you know, occultic tarot

[Lance Wallnau]

card reader and that she's very popular in social media and that she's got zodiac updates and paid spiritual readings, and

[Joe Getty]

people will pay a lot of money

[Lance Wallnau]

for that, you know, the. The psychic advisor and turn the cards over. But without warning, she deleted all her videos. And she literally made this. I mean, this is something. She made the courageous decision not to try to sanctify her tarot reading, not to try to, you know, use it for evangelism. But she shut it all down. And her fans are incensed with her. And I just saw. I haven't seen the whole video because I just got a look at it this morning when my grandkids were visiting. But she says, do not watch this unless you're willing to watch or don't leave a comment unless you watch the whole message.

[Joe Getty]

In other words, don't just go, but you're an idiot.

[Mike Lindell]

You're a jerk.

[Jack Armstrong]

You're.

[Lance Wallnau]

Listen to her testimony. She goes, listen to what I have to say and then comment. Don't comment unless you listen to the video she throws out there. So this is amazing. And what a work of God. So just play this. 1 minute and 40 seconds. I want you to meet. Alex reads the tarot cards.

[Alex (tarot card reader)]

But over the past nearly year, something has begun to change in me on my journey. And I noticed that as my faith grew, I began to found myself wrestling with questions that I couldn't quite ignore. But the more that I prayed, the more that I reflected and sought God, the more that I've realized that I couldn't ignore where this journey was leading me. Because of that, this will be my final post. I am not going to be offering any more readings or sessions. I'm not going to be creating any more tarot Content. And once this account is gone, I will not be returning. This truly isn't something that I say lightly, as this has been my life, my. My work for years. And looking back, tarot has always been a very significant part of my path. It's been my path, my routine, and in many ways, a huge part of my identity. And walking away from something like that isn't easy. There's sadness, but at the same time, there's a peace in that decision that I can't quite explain. And I don't know exactly what comes next for me. But what I do know is that Jesus Christ has saved my life, and I can no longer ignore that reality. So thank you for being a part of this chapter of my life. And I genuinely wish every single one of you the best with what comes next.

[UK/European commentator]

Wow.

[Lance Wallnau]

Man. I want to hear her testimony. I'm going to go listen to her story. I want to find out what happened, who reached her. That's an interesting deal.

[Joe Getty]

I'll tell you why it's so interesting to me.

[Lance Wallnau]

When I met Annabelle, my wife, she was into the I Ching. You guys don't know what the I Ching is, but it's like the tarot card, and it's three pennies that you roll, and they have different sequences. Two heads and a tail. Tail, two heads. But then it was always numbers. And she would go and she would

[Joe Getty]

tell me what was going to happen.

[Lance Wallnau]

Like the 9, 11, or the 11, 11 are the two, or it's peace over this or that. And the numbers would correspond to words. And so it was random throwing of the, you know, the coins and then interpretation of the words. And then it would. She would kind of interpret what was going to happen next. And she said she was really into that when she was in college in art school at Rhode Island School of Design.

[Joe Getty]

They literally got to the point where

[Lance Wallnau]

between, like, partying with drugs and doing the occult, they would know. They would literally predict what would happen during the day, who would they would be running into, and what would be happening in the script. And every day had a script going along. Let me tell you something. The spirit realm is real. And it's real enough so that if you create kind of a vehicle for alignment with it and give it authority, it can start to manifest in such a way that it creates certain rhythms of communication that you feel like you're getting some extraterrestrial spiritual guidance and intelligence. And this is what leads people into idolatry in various ways. And so. And of course, I brought Annabelle out of that. And I was. I was evangelizing her because I really become a Christian. We grew up together and families knew each other. And I came back and I'm sharing about, hey, I think this is. I think it's kind of like, that's spiritual, but I don't think it's God. So I want to hear this girl's testimony how she got evangelized. But I do know that when I got saved. Christian language for when I became born again and I accepted Jesus as lord over my life. And I started reading about how the occult stuff was bad. And I thought, oh, man, I was into Ouija boards. I was into tarot cards. Tarot cards? Any of you guys do readings?

[Bill Maher (clip)]

Tarot cards?

[Lance Wallnau]

I wasn't into each other. That's a Chinese kind of occult thing. But I remember reading this little track, this little thing, and it said that you need to renounce. You need to renounce your involvement. You need to. And palm reading, my mom was into that. It was really weird. But, you know, my mom would look at my palm and she'd talk about your lifeline and your love line. And it's kind of weird having your mom read your palm, right?

[Joe Getty]

So.

[Lance Wallnau]

So this is all weird stuff. But I thought, oh, man, I gotta break all this. I started having this uneasy flip flop in my spirit, like in my stomach. I thought, what is this? Flutters? I got like butterflies all of a sudden. And then I realized I had to do what this old tract said, which was renounced. And then it said, if you have these artifacts, destroy them. And so I was at college at that time in Lancaster County. I went home to my parents place where I stayed in the summer. And I was thinking, man, I gotta deal with this stuff.

[Joe Getty]

So I went to the Ouija board.

[Lance Wallnau]

You won't believe how stupid this is. I go to the Ouija board. What would you do if I had to, you know, break you up and destroy you? And here's what the Ouija board said. If you did that to me, I would break you and destroy you.

[Joe Getty]

Well, that's not friendly.

[Lance Wallnau]

Spirits like Casper, these spirits aren't friendly. I thought, huh, that's a weird reaction. But I took my tarot cards out and I did a tarot card reading. I was that into the tarot cards. And I knew. And the three things you never get out of that stack of all those cards, you don't get, like, the hangman, the death, and like, you know, the magician or something, you know, scary. Those are the names of those cards. And I got a sequence that Said, I'm telling you the truth. It said, you are like a dead man. It was giving me, like, the doom of death. And the third card interprets, as I read it, and beware of getting involved with foreign superstitions. And I realized Christianity is not a superstition. This stuff is a superstition. And I got this terrible hangman. It's like death. And then. And then, don't get involved with superstition.

[Joe Getty]

Like, God literally used the cars to

[Lance Wallnau]

say, all this stuff is death for you. Destroy it. And I destroyed it. I burned the stuff. I broke the stuff.

[Jack Armstrong]

Bam.

[Lance Wallnau]

Broke it off, and I was free. So I know what that lady's talking about.

[Joe Getty]

This stuff's real.

[Lance Wallnau]

Folks, we'll be right back.

[Joe Getty]

I'm not gonna waste another moment. We got Mike Lindell. Let's bring him right in. Mike Lindell, ladies and gentlemen. We've loved you from the beginning, Mike. We've been with you from the beginning. And, you know, I remember you all the way back in the COVID days when you were in the Rose Garden there and just. I don't know how you got on the platform. You look like you just worked. You were part of added in. And then you start talking about Jesus. And I said, my gosh, this guy's like, you must make the devil nervous. Wherever you go, you're gonna. You're gonna either deal with the. A lie that has to be dealt with, or you're going to talk about Jesus.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you. Go back to the. That Rose Garden. The backstory of that, which I can tell another time. But the odds of me ending up on that stage but with the President alone were trillions to one. I mean. I mean, we're supposed to be these other. These other CEOs. And the way it all went down. It's a very entertaining story.

[Joe Getty]

I didn't even know that. I didn't know it, but I saw. When I saw you there, and I saw the President, like, almost like ad libbing, like, Mike, come on up. I thought, Come on up. There's a story here how, Michael Lindell, you got an angel traveling with you that opens doors for you and delivers your butt. I'll tell you that, too. God protects you.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah. I'll tell you, maybe I should tell that story. I'll tell it in a really short version of that Rose Garden speech. I was invited to Washington, D.C. to actually go to a roundtable and talk about what my pillow was doing at that time and to help the country with masks. Before I knew they didn't work, right. So we end up inside and we go around this table and I have these. You had to have pre approved remarks. And I had these remarks in my pocket and, and what my niece had actually wrote them about what we were doing with the, with the, the virus. And, and anyway, we get done in that with this little roundtable inside and the vice president, the president came in then and he, and, you know, said hello to everyone. I said to the vice president, because we all got up to leave. He said, he said. I said, well, we never read these things. He goes, oh, no, Mike, you might be called up at the Rose Garden. I didn't know they were doing these big conferences out there to the world, right? So I go, oh, I got to do something. I was just uneven, nervous. And I pulled in my pocket, pulled out of my pocket, and I grabbed the. Grab those remarks out of my pocket and I started reading them. We are a vertically integrated company. I go, this is terrible. I'm going to write something really good to the country. So I flipped it over and I started writing and I would scratch it out and take a pen and you know, down to the bottom and then scratch it here and back up. You know, like, people write stuff and I'm making this note and I get to the bottom and it says, ran out of room and I'm just gonna rewrite it. And the president got up and he slapped me on the back. He said, come on, Mike, 100 million people are gonna see this. And I went, ah. So I'm looking at this and now we all go walking out to the Rose Garden and. And you know, if you're ever in a group and you. And all of a sudden you're looking, you're paying attention here, maybe you're on a phone or something, and you look up and your group's gone. Well, that's what happened to me. I'm sitting there looking at this paper.

[Joe Getty]

Oh my God.

[Mike Lindell]

And the group is gone. So now I'm looking out, there's the Rose Garden and all the people are out there, all the reporters and the other three CEOs are gone. And there was a Secret Service or some ladies and there. And I go, I said, hey, where am I supposed to sit? Or what am I supposed to do? And she points out there, she said, you can sit anywhere you want, but don't sit right there. The vice president sitting there. And then the president really didn't know what to do. He goes, come on up, guys. We got all the CEOs. Come on up, Mike. And when I stepped right up the podium, the other one stayed over by the tree because this was. So none of it had been practiced or told what to do. And that's how that came about. And then I couldn't. Once I got read to the one side about being a vertically integrated company, I said, sir, do you mind if I say something? If I say something else? And he said, sure, go ahead, Mike. Well, as I read it, one of the things in that, everybody said God, you know, we were praying for God's grace and that a nation had turned its back on God, and we need to spend time getting back in the Word and reading the Bible with our families. And. And you'd have think that that night it exploded. I mean, it was. I think I did 110 interviews in five days. You think, you know, you know, Mike Lindell's talking about Jesus from the podium. But more importantly, Lance, over the last five and a half, or if you go back before the president got in those, Those four years, everybody would come up to me and they go, mike, this doesn't feel like grace. This doesn't feel like grace that we are praying for. And I go, oh, but it is. I said, God uses all things for good, for those who believe. And I said, all those bad things that I went through my bill, everybody's been through in this country, it opened people's eyes. I told the president, I said, you know, him and I were sitting down once in the summer of 2024, and we're sitting in the office, just him and I, and he says, in his office, and. And he says, mike, they're just destroying the country. And I said, sir, these are good things. I said, all these bad things are actually good things. I said, there's two buckets going on, the bucket of common sense, where people are pouring into your bucket. I said, the more they keep attacking you, people see through that. You give them no reason to leave this bucket. I said, then the other bucket is for Jesus Christ. I said, we're in the greatest revival in history. I said, people are pouring into this bucket. I said, people don't look to God when things are going good. I told him, like when he had the economy, the best economy in history and best consumer confidence in December of 2019. And then he looked at me, he goes, yeah, but, Mike, I don't even know if we can get it fixed in four years. And I said, sir, with God, all things are possible, and him working through you, you'll get it done better and faster than anyone in history, and look where it's been. You know, we needed those times. We needed those times for people's eyes to be opened. People say to me, mike, you get attacked all the time. How do you do it? And I'm going, my faith, you know.

[Joe Getty]

No, no, no. Let me tell you something. But you are wired differently.

[Lance Wallnau]

I had dinner with you.

[Joe Getty]

My first dinner with you was so entertaining because you were on Twitter and you were discussing how you weren't creating enough of a stir, and so you decided to do some incendiary tweets late at night and get yourself kicked off of Twitter. Next thing you know, you're in the news cycle again. And I said, I think Mike, he loves the battle. You know, some people, it's a little too dormant, and you create the stimulus that's like Dorsey, go. The guy goes, get him off of Twitter. Kick him off of here. Next thing you know, you're in the paper, and I'm laughing, going, you were responsible for that. In a way, you just.

[Mike Lindell]

Well, you know, Lance, it's like this when. When what scared me. And this is where we're at in our country. On January 7th and 8th, everybody of 2021, the two of the most important days in history, 1.2 million Americans were deplatformed off Vimeo, YouTube, Sucker Bucks, Facebook, and Jack Dorsey's crooked Twitter. Now, you had those outlets, and you were. You were canceled. If you spoke out for Jesus, if you spoke against the vaccine, or if you spoke out about the election, the stolen election, those sweet things. So as I started to get attacked, but our voice did not go out. It turned out to a little tiny dot, but it. But it didn't go out. And they started attacking me. Then as I'm raising my hand to go, we have evidence. We have evidence. And. And then on February 4th of 2021, Smartmatic sued Fox News, which started lawfare in our country that hadn't been done since the 1800, 1700, 1700s. You had to go clear back then to find the magnitude of lover that they had done. Now, at that time, I came out with the first movie called absolute proof on February 5th, and the media went completely silent on me. That scared me, Lance. And this gets down to what you're saying, I'm going, you know what? You can have all the information in the world, and people can badmouth you, and I could get the word out. Every day they go, mike, you lost three more retailers. How do you feel? It's a great day, but, you guys, we've got to get rid of the voting machines. We've got to secure elections. So being attacked was good when they, for me, because when they, when smartmatic sued Fox News, we lost Newsmax, Salem Media and Fox News, we lost that conservative media almost overnight where they would not talk about the elections. So all you had was the attack media. Now, once that movie aired, you can't find me in the news back then for 14 days, there's no news. It's just, it's like flatline, like somebody, somebody ready to die. All that things go down now. So what I did, if you remember, goes right up what you're saying, Lance. I said, show me Dominion. They have sued all these other people. I said, sue me. Number one, I had the evidence, and number two, I wanted to get back in the news that we got a problem. Well, so I called up Swin at the Daily Beast and I said, swin, why don't you go tell Zaminu, ask him why they're not suing me, they're suing everybody else. And I got all the evidence. And so he did. He trots on over to the Daily Beast and he says, how come you're not suing Michael? No. Oh yeah, we're going to sue him. So Schwinn calls me up, he says, yeah, they're going to sue you. I said, well, why don't you write an article about it? So Swin wrote a big article. Daily Dominion is going to sue Mike Lindell. Three days went by, I had to call up the Daily Beast and go, swin, go over and tell Dominion to hurry up or you're going to be known as Fake News and True Stories. So Dominion comes out and sues me. And I thought it would be so simple. They sue me, I bring all my evidence in, and what I had back then was just a small portion of what we ended up with now, what we just dropped on Thursday. But 800 pages, over five years of evidence from all different camera angles. Anyway, that's another story. So when they dropped this, I thought I would get, you know, go in, here's my evidence. The whole world would see it, it'd be a beautiful thing. But here we are five and a half years later, everybody, five and a half years. And I'm sure you all seen it in the news where Dominion dropped their case. They dropped it just last Thursday. And I think it's a coincidence, Lance, that on Friday we took my 800 page report from the great Patrick Kohlbach that put it all together and of my team, 300,000 people on the ground with cause of America in every single state. All this was compiled by facts that you can't refute. They were like I bought all the voter rolls. This isn't just the 2020 election. It's 20, 22, 23, 24 and even, even some 25. And what we did, 800 pages everybody. If you go to LindaleTV.com now, did they know this was coming? I don't know. But it's a great relief to have it off my pillow. Remember when Dominion sued me, they also sued my pillow. My employee owned company and what they've done to them has been horrific over the last five years.

[Joe Getty]

How much has it cost you in lawyer bills? I heard 20 million or so. I mean is that true?

[Mike Lindell]

The lawyer bills just for Dominion was around 20 million and they, but remember I spent total with what. No, we're not. What we've lost in revenue and stuff for my pillow. This is me out of pocket and my pillow. 20 million in lawyer bills just with Dominion, another 10, another case with Smartmatic and others. And then probably I spent another 50 to 60 million in building my election crime bureau and putting, flying around the country trying to get secure our elections, buying all the voter rolls in the United States. There was a stretch last from, from the summer of 21 when I did that big rally in Wisconsin. From the summer of 21 to the summer of 22, I put on if anybody knows anything about airplanes when I still had my plane before I had to sell it. I put on 750 hours. I burned out four pilots. That's just me flying on the plane, flying to meet Secretary of State.

[Joe Getty]

I know you had to sell your. I didn't know you had to sell your plane there. That jet, you, you ran it like a Greyhound bus service. I remember you picked me up, dropped me off, picked me up, dropped me off. It's like. All right, listen, I got to take a quick break. We're going to be right back. Mike Lindell is on a roll and we haven't even got to what's happening in Wisconsin?

[Jack Armstrong]

We'll be.

[Mike Lindell]

All right.

[Joe Getty]

We're back. And by the way, that's not Wisconsin, it's Minnesota. Minnesota, I ought to know about that. The home of Michelle Bachman. The home of my son in law who's in the studio with me. Anyone who I know from Minnesota always, always talks to me about who I know in Minnesota because it seems like

[Lance Wallnau]

everybody knows each other in Minnesota.

[Joe Getty]

So Mike. Anyway, I don't want to leave too quickly. I just Heard about your jet. I'm sorry you had to sell it, but, you know, I think a lot of business that you got from many

[Lance Wallnau]

of us was because we were mad

[Joe Getty]

at what you were going through. And there was a lot of sales where. I mean, for. For two Christmases, I didn't care whether my kids wanted another bathrobe or pillow or not. I. I was loading up on the Christmas sales because we gotta help Mike out. All right, now, Mike, you're running in Minnesota. Is there a chance. Is there a chance here that you could actually be governor? Because Minnesota's had some wild governors in the past. They've done some unusual things with personalities. The party itself looks like they were trying to keep you from getting endorsed like Trump. Like, you know, where they tried to make Trump take the pledge in 2016, you know, well, you promised not to run if, you know. And he goes, no, I'm not gonna make any pledge. And you didn't do any goofy pledge. But you're polling pretty well there.

[Mike Lindell]

Aren't you polling number one. Here's the story behind that. Everybody is. You go, last. A year ago, last August, the first poll that came out, if I was to run, I was in first place of the Republicans. Then they did another poll in February. I was number one with the Republicans, another one in May, and then the one that just came out by abc, who doesn't really like me, and I'm five point favorite. But here's what Lance is talking about. Everybody In Minnesota, the GOP, the Minnesota GOP, they have been picking our candidate to run since 1994. Now, they've. They've all.

[Joe Getty]

And they.

[Mike Lindell]

And they've won all. Everyone that they end up picking has won. But the problem is we haven't beat the Democrats in 24 years, and we haven't been. We want to. Haven't won at the presidential level since 1972. We've been blue. So this is where we're at here in Minnesota. When I went in to run in December, all of a sudden, you know, these guys go, oh, no, you got it. We got to go to all these delicate forums, and these 2000 people will pick one of you to be. To represent us. And then the rest of you all drop out. And I said, I'm not gonna do that. I'm polling number one with the people. If you remember, everybody, I ran for RNC chair. I went through the same thing, right the night before the election when I ran for RNC chair, I doubled Harmeet Dillon and Ronna McDaniel combined and the next day I got four votes out of 168. So I wasn't going to go through that again. Well, here we get up to the convention in May and I did most of my own marketing out there. I went to my own events. I said, you know what? I'm going to bring hope to the people here in Minnesota. I've done over 40 of my own events and plus going to some of their forums. But most of them, they wouldn't let me come to or they wouldn't let me come to the debates and they wouldn't give me the delegate list. So I couldn't market them and tell them, hey, here's what I had planned for Minnesota once I went, so I couldn't even market them, that I'm the best candidate to lead Minnesota. So we get up to the convention and what happens up there once they go rounds, and once you go 10 rounds, you gotta go keep going these rounds till somebody gets 60% of the vote. After the fourth round, I'm in third place. They knock out the third place person then by their rules. So then it's down to their darling, which was Lisa Dama that they had picked a year ago and she's the speaker of the House. And Billy has done nothing. She's been there too. With all this fraud going on, just because you have an R before your name, you should have yelled a little louder in my opinion. Well, anyway, I was on the main floor and I go and Lisa was winning. And then I said, you know what? Kendall would be better. And I pointed to Kendall's sign and then his. Lisa's lieutenant governor went up there and said, Mike Lindell shouldn't even be on the floor. He pointed to Kendall's sign. Well, then all the delegates that had voted for me voted for Kendall. So then it flip flop, it flip flop. And you know what they did? Everybody ready? They said there was a problem with the voting machines. The code went down for three hours, everybody.

[Joe Getty]

Three hours.

[Mike Lindell]

The machines went down and they're voting. Let's go to paper ballots hand counted, knowing no, no, no, no, we can't do that. And I'm going to. Well, why wouldn't you do that with our own party, the Republican Party, in the summer of 23, this is what I helped set up with the RNC. The resolution that paper ballots hand counted, same day voting, precinct level and voter id. That's our perfect election. Well, here you have their GOP in Minnesota. They already know they have problems with the machines and they said, no no, no, we're going to go ahead and finish this and use.

[Joe Getty]

Unbelievable.

[Mike Lindell]

And then they had signs that were hanging up. Mike was right. Mike was right. Well, of course it was right. There's only one truth here. Well, anyway, so now they finished the 10th round. Kendall quals wins. So now he's going to the primary. I'm not on the endorsement, so I'm going to the primary. But then the next day, what does the GOP say, You know, because the machines weren't working, we're going to let Lisa break her, you know, honoring the endorsement. We're going to let her keep running too. So all three of us are in this three way race. And in Minnesota, everybody. We are. It's, it's so crazy here because now you're already voting as of last Friday or the 26th week, I guess the 26th, few days ago, you're already voting early for the primary, which is until August 11th. And then when you, when we get win the primary, right away we were voting early, 45 days early. Starting in 2014, before all, before all the China virus and all this stuff, we were actually voting 45 days early. So right away you get done with your primary and boom, you're up against Amy Klobuchar. So we've got, but it's, it's amazing. If I was to read redo this for Minnesota, I'd say you guys move your endorsement back to March like normal states. Move your, and then move your primary up to maybe the beginning of June so you know who your candidate is and then you go put all your efforts into beating the Democrats.

[Joe Getty]

All right, so Mike, the top three things we need to know about Minnesota, that has to get. First of all, there's a lot, there's a lot of corruption up there. I mean, isn't this where the learning centers were coming from and all that stuff? I mean, how many, how many of these 501s are these nonprofits are working with government funding up there?

[Lance Wallnau]

Like a couple of hundred of them.

[Joe Getty]

Four hundred.

[Mike Lindell]

Here's what you have. You have 400 NGOs, over 400. You have 24 main welfare programs and we have fraud coming out of all. It's over 20 billion. That's what we're hearing now. I was just at the TSE in Minneapolis. I have friends of mine that are there and they said there's still 12 suitcases minimum going out a day to Somalia full of cash. This is going on as we speak. So in Minnesota, here we have where the Trojan. We have a lot of problems. But that's an opportunity. I look at the fraud as the biggest blessing ever to Minnesota because now you can say things like this. Ban Sharia law and you're not a racist. You know, I saw five years ago, I said, we have to ban Sharia law. I said, we have all these Muslims practicing Islam here in Minneapolis with all the call to prayer off the buildings and a mosque being open. The Christian churches are shut down by our governor and they put a satanic statue. Everybody. Our governor did, in the Capitol. He accepted the satanic statue and he got an award for it. And you know what he said? He said, we have to be fair. Fair to the devil. I mean, this nonsensical stuff. In Minnesota, when I said at the Rose Garden, a nation had turned back on God, I could have been. I should have said, and Minnesota is leading the charge. So you got this going on. And that's right in my wheelhouse, too, when I become governor. And also, by the way, this is our real Minnesota flag. We have a flag now that looks like the Somalian flag that wasn't even voted on. And so when. But when I'm governor, what I'm doing right now is all my campaigning, but on a parallel track. I'm going to get my budget done hopefully within three to four weeks. And lance all the fraud. If you take out all the fraud, Minnesota is in the top in the nation. Corporate tax, income tax, property tax, sales tax. We are per capita. We give more money to these programs per person than any state in the country. And we don't just take it from the top incomers. All the middle class and lower class are taxed, too. It's become unaffordable here. And as we hit the ground running with these welfare programs, this is my wheelhouse. When I came out of crack cocaine addiction and my addictions in 2016, everybody. January 9, 2006. January 16, 2009. I'm sorry. January 16, 2009.

[Lance Wallnau]

Put it back there.

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah, yeah. And I. But I spent the next 12 years speaking at churches, helping people in Minneapolis, spend millions of dollars in St. Paul and Detroit, Michigan, and Rochester, Minnesota, working with the inner cities, with people in addiction, homeless, basically these welfare programs, anybody in need. And what I did, I set up this amazing foundation where it was like a big Gibson Go. All these little squares and private sector people that want to help, but they want to know they're getting a good bang for their buck and they want it. Maybe they're partial to a specific thing like addiction.

[Lance Wallnau]

Right, right, right.

[Mike Lindell]

I did that and we saved 40%. The fact is, you are.

[Joe Getty]

You can turn the economy around there in that state. Like Donald Trump.

[Lance Wallnau]

Absolutely.

[Joe Getty]

And they may make a big stink about the Sharia thing. You might. I don't know if it's safe to even go on that issue, but, I mean, I just love your courage. How do we get in touch with your campaign? How do we get behind? We got 15 seconds. I want to get this on the

[Lance Wallnau]

war room channel there, too.

[Joe Getty]

How do they follow you?

[Mike Lindell]

Yeah, you guys go to lindellgov.com the only thing stopping me from winning is we need. We need funds. We need funds. I'm a great marketer. You're going to get the best bang for your buck ever. It's lindellgov.com if you help us. And Minnesota affects all the other states, too. A lot of the stuff I'm doing, Minnesota will be the prototype. And it'll help every other state in this country, I promise you.

[Joe Getty]

Ladies and gentlemen, we only have one Mike Lindell, the national treasure. Inimitable. You cannot. Now, I knew there was a story behind that Rose Garden speech, and it looked like Trump improvised and you improvised, and I said, this is a God moment, Mike. We'll have you back. You got that primary. It's coming up August 19th. We need the grassroots army to show up in mass up there. All right. We'll be talking to you soon again, Mike.

[Lance Wallnau]

Thank you very much.