Podcast Summary: Firewall with Lance Wallnau – November 22, 2025

Main Theme / Purpose

This episode of "Firewall with Lance Wallnau" (Real America’s Voice, 2025-11-22) explores the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, the ensuing surge in conspiracy theories, and the fracturing within the conservative movement—particularly around Turning Point USA. Host Lance Wallnau critiques the infighting and conspiracy-mongering, specifically addressing allegations circulating via Candace Owens and her audience. Wallnau, joined by clips from Officer Brandon Tatum, emphasizes the spiritual stakes of the conflict, the attack on traditional American values, and the dangers posed by misinformation, anti-semitism, and internal division within the movement.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Conservative Infighting After Charlie Kirk’s Death

• Lance Wallnau opens with concern that the conservative movement (the "Trump train") is in disarray: "Our guys...are now shooting at each other. It'd be comical if it was happening on the other side, but it's happening on our side." (03:01)
• Wallnau is particularly troubled by claims against Turning Point USA and himself, fueled by Candace Owens and her social media following, accusing various influencers of deep state collusion or being party to conspiracies.

2. Critique of Conspiracy Theories and Public Reaction

• Officer Brandon Tatum shares his firsthand knowledge as a longtime Turning Point affiliate, emphasizing the insanity of conspiracies following Kirk's death:

  • "There's no money in sanity. There's money in hysteria and getting everybody worked up. The amount of conspiracies around Charlie Kirk's death is literally one of the craziest things I ever experienced." (07:10)
  • He outlines his proximity to the Turning Point staff and security, dismissing any plausible basis for internal sabotage.

• Wallnau rebukes the public’s appetite for these conspiracies: "Why are you listening to Candace Owens in the first place? ... You're feeding it. You're...so conspiracy mesmerized that they're seduced." (08:39)

• Misinformation spreads rapidly, as mild behaviors are twisted into sinister acts—e.g., security staff adjusting hats are accused of signaling for an assassination. (12:27–13:09)

3. The Spiritual Dimension and Anti-Semitism

• Tatum and Wallnau move from specific accusations to broader spiritual and geo-political themes:
  • Officer Tatum observes, "There's people who have another motive and it's rooted in antisemitism, which makes everything that happens go down the path to lead to 'Jew street'..." (17:34)
  • Wallnau connects this to biblical prophecy and warns against Western nations, especially the U.S., turning away from support for Israel, fearing divine consequences. (18:24–22:31)

4. The Impact on Innocent Staff and the Dangers of Division

• Officer Tatum details the trauma and unfair vilification facing Turning Point staff and Kirk’s widow:
  • "The video team is in fear for their lives. People want to kill them. People are shaming them. And they watch Charlie get killed in front of them...They're damaged for life." (38:22)
• Wallnau mourns for these young, idealistic workers being maligned as conspirators, calling for the spiritual community to intervene: "It's demonic as hell. Now's the time the church needs to stop...put an end to it." (25:30)
• He expresses frustration at Candace Owens and similar voices for fostering division: "...Pray that her influence is unplugged because our movement cannot afford to have a circular firing squad with the Jewish people at the middle of it." (38:25)

5. The Broader Cultural and Ideological Battle: “The Seven Mountains”

• Wallnau revisits his "Seven Mountains" framework (Family, Church, Education, Media, Government, Arts/Entertainment, Business) contending that progressive forces are systematically undermining American and Christian values by overtaking these institutions:
  • "Whoever controls the education mountain is controlling the formation of the values and thinking of the next generation. Whoever controls that media apparatus is taking the truth or they're perverting the truth. Which one would you rather have for society?" (44:50)
  • Conservative Christians, he asserts, must remain engaged and resist both outside ideological threats and internal chaos.

6. The Media and Election Landscape

• Wallnau warns that internal rifts and focus on conspiracies are weakening the MAGA/conservative movement at a time when concentration should be on midterms:
  • "Instead of focusing on the left and the danger of what they represent, we are now focusing on antisemitism. And you've got infighting...It's the devil dividing this MAGA movement." (53:41)

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Conspiracies: "If Steve Bannon went to work for the government, we'd have our people turning against him. These are our guys...but if they don't say what we want...we default into 'they're under the control of the deep state.'" — Lance Wallnau (05:00)
• On Antisemitism Motives: "Everything that they do have to lead to the Jews, which will make people go up and beyond...to make...this group of people responsible." — Officer Tatum (17:34)
• The True Enemy: "The enemy of the conservative is the far left extremist...but when you see people at the death of Charlie Kirk, it's almost like God did a separation of the wheat and the tares." — Officer Tatum (22:48)
• On Movement Division: "If anything does blot us out of the history...when the Messiah returns, it's because [America] forsook the God that gave it mercy by turning its back on...Israel and making the Jew their enemy." — Lance Wallnau (21:10)
• On the Staff’s Ordeal: "These young people on campus are now getting death threats...being framed as being a part of some collusion. It's very hurtful." — Officer Tatum (35:39)
• On Responsibility: "Now's the time in the name of Jesus that God brings his hand down and says stop. I pray that the mouths are stopped that are profiteering off of chaos." — Lance Wallnau (25:30)
• Appeal to Focus: "We have got to get our act together in this country and this sideshow for money has got to be quashed." — Lance Wallnau (25:55)
• Seven Mountains Summary: "These seven areas actually are areas that Christians are allowed to make a living in...and you should not be punished because you have a biblical worldview." — Lance Wallnau (44:50)
• On Movement’s Future: "This is the most powerful supernatural psyops Operation Boom. To fragment the cohesion of the American MAGA base at a time when we need to be the most focused. We are now shooting each other. Tell me that ain't the devil." — Lance Wallnau (54:20)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:01] — Wallnau introduces the crisis of conservative infighting post-Charlie Kirk assassination.
• [07:10] — Officer Tatum critiques conspiracy culture and details his relationship to Turning Point.
• [12:27] — Discussion about Frank Turek and the hat "hand signals" conspiracy.
• [17:34] — Tatum analyzes antisemitic motives in conspiracy narratives.
• [18:24–22:31] — Wallnau explains spiritual significance of Israel and American destiny.
• [22:31] — Tatum frames current crisis as spiritual warfare — right vs. wrong, not just left vs. right.
• [25:30] — Wallnau rails against the vilification of innocent staff and calls for spiritual intervention.
• [35:39] — Officer Tatum describes the trauma and false accusations faced by young Turning Point staff.
• [38:25] — Wallnau sharply critiques Candace Owens’s divisive role.
• [44:50] — Introduction and explanation of the “Seven Mountains” ideology.
• [53:41] — Wallnau laments the movement’s internal fragmentation heading into the midterms.
• [54:20] — Summary appeal for prayer, unity, and vigilance against spiritual and ideological attacks.

Tone and Language

• Conversational, passionate, and combative—Wallnau is candid, sometimes humorous, and often blunt.
• Frequent appeals to Christian faith and the language of spiritual warfare.
• Sarcasm and direct critiques, especially when addressing those spreading conspiracies.

Summary Conclusion

The episode is a wide-ranging, impassioned plea for unity within the conservative and Christian movement in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s death, denouncing conspiracy theories, internal division, and anti-semitism. Wallnau, bolstered by Officer Tatum’s behind-the-scenes insights, urges listeners to reject destructive narratives, support honest investigation and spiritual integrity, and remain engaged in the broader cultural battle for American values. The call to action is clear: focus on the true ideological adversaries, defend traditional values across all spheres of influence, and refuse to let the movement be destroyed from within.