FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU – October 4, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice / Host: Lance Wallnau
Main Theme:
Mobilizing Christian activism for cultural and political transformation—lessons from Peru’s resistance to gender ideology and their application in the United States.

EPISODE OVERVIEW

On this special episode of “Firewall,” Lance Wallnau explores how Christian grassroots activism in Peru overcame well-funded international progressive networks, notably George Soros’ organizations, in the fight against radical gender ideology. Joined by Peruvian activist Christian Rosas, the conversation covers effective strategies for building cross-denominational movements, the principles behind civil disobedience, reframing debates in public discourse, and the potential for similar mobilization in the U.S. context. The discussion is framed against the backdrop of the recent passing of Charlie Kirk and the surge in Christian political engagement stateside. The message throughout: courageous, intelligent, and united Christian action remains a potent force for cultural renewal.

KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. The Surge of Christian Activism—Comparing U.S. and Peru

[02:45] Lance Wallnau:

• Notes increased scrutiny and mobilization of Christians in American politics; leftwing voices like Axelrod are "freaking out" about Christian resurgence.
• Highlights that Peru has been ahead, successfully resisting progressive gender legislation where even Soros gave up.

2. Christian Rosas’ Story—Faith, Legacy, and Political Engagement

[05:09] Christian Rosas:

• Fourth-generation pastor with a deep family tradition in ministry.
• His father served two terms in Peru’s Congress, prompting their family and church to begin organized activism.
• Describes the imposition of nine laws in 2016 enforcing gender ideology under "SOGI" (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity) terms.
• Raises alarm over policies leading to children questioning their identity and, in extreme cases, medicalized gender transitions.

“The only religion in the world that teaches civil disobedience is the Judeo-Christian value system.” – Christian Rosas [07:52]

3. The Principle and Practice of Civil Disobedience

[09:02] Lance Wallnau:

• Draws the distinction between Western churches’ avoidance of conflict versus biblical examples of civil disobedience (Daniel, Peter, Moses).
• Calls Charlie Kirk “a prototype of courageous Christian engagement in culture.”

[10:09] Christian Rosas’ Testimony:

• Churches in Peru debated: obey the government or stand up for biblical truth?
• Christian Rosas volunteered as the first to openly and peacefully break the law live on national TV.
• On-air confrontation with the president of the trans community; Rosas refused to comply, citing his Christian convictions.

“I cannot pretend not to know what everybody knows, cannot repeat a lie. I’m a witness to the truth. I cannot commit moral suicide and deny my [faith] on national TV. I plead guilty of breaking this unjust law, and this is my ID number. Type it in and sue me. I will gladly go to prison rather than reject the truth.” – Christian Rosas [11:48]

4. Spark of a Movement—Mass Civil Disobedience

[12:26] Christian Rosas:

• His bold act spread across social media—“I plead guilty, sue me as well”—leading to mass, coordinated civil disobedience.
• Resulted in the repeal of nine laws, resignation of multiple officials, and ultimately impeachment of Peru’s president.
• Frames “authority” as rooted in the divine author, not in government, especially if laws contradict nature or common sense.

5. Movement Building: ‘Don’t Mess With Our Kids’

[13:49] Lance Wallnau:

• Points out Rosas’ “brilliant branding” and coalition building, uniting Protestants, Catholics, and a broad spectrum of society.

[14:19] Christian Rosas:

• The coalition was built around fundamental, shared truth, appealing to the “Church of Christ”—those unified under one Savior, not denominational bureaucracy.

PART II: MOVEMENT STRATEGY AND IMPACT

6. Coalition Tactics: Courage and Collective Responsibility

[19:46] Christian Rosas:

• Challenged church leaders by putting himself on the line.
• Position: "If I go to prison, you are next. Let’s team up now; this is our duty."
• Movement demanded children be free to grow naturally, per their families’ values.
• “There’s no greater force than love. We’re willing to relinquish our lives for their sake, for the truth’s sake, for our children.” [21:14]

7. Exposing International Funding and Ideological Colonization

[23:41] Christian Rosas:

• Traced funding for ideological activism to NGOs connected to Soros/Open Society.
• Framed their activism as “ideological colonization,” making it a matter of national sovereignty.
• Repositioned gender ideology as a “secular dogma,” not rooted in science or facts.
• Counter-argument: DNA, biology, and science do not substantiate gender ideology.

“These NGOs are non-elected, they pay no taxes, and they’re not accountable to nationals. This is a new colonization strategy—ideological colonization.” – Christian Rosas [24:04]

8. Reframing Arguments—From Bible to Reason

[27:30] Christian Rosas:

• Demonstrated using both biology textbooks and the Bible: first, win the mind with science and reason; then hearts can understand Scripture.
• Recasting Christians as champions of reason, not merely “Bible-thumpers.”

9. Victory: Forcing Soros Out

[28:05] Lance Wallnau / [28:18] Christian Rosas:

• Soros published a report withdrawing funding, acknowledging no progress after a decade of activism in Peru due to the movement’s success.
• Peru repealed all SOGI terms from national policy, establishing only “male” and “female” in the law.

PART III: U.S. IMPLICATIONS AND CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM

10. Can Peru’s Strategies Succeed in the United States?

[29:22] Lance Wallnau:

• Notes contemporary U.S. context—left’s alarm over “Christian nationalism,” unrest following Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
• Asks if the “Don’t Mess With Our Kids” movement formula remains viable in America.

[30:25] Christian Rosas:

• Argues truth is universally effective—science, reason, and morality carry weight everywhere.
• Advocates for similar courage in the U.S.; commends Jenny Donnelly for bringing the movement into “difficult” places, not just safe zones.
• Calls for boldness on university campuses (Harvard, Seattle, LA).

“Truth does not fear a challenge. Our Lord is the truth.” – Christian Rosas [32:12]

MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• “Civil disobedience, the point of electing to obey God above obedience to men, is a specific trait of the Christian church throughout the ages.”
  — Christian Rosas [08:34]

• “Every threat they would send at us, like, ‘send you to prison’—we’d say, ‘Hurry up. Do so now. We’re not backing down.’ That’s not intimidating… love is what drives us to defend our children.”
  — Christian Rosas [21:10]

• “You took the idea that you’re being colonized. Ideological colonization, so that even somebody who doesn’t share your passion for the Bible goes, ‘Yeah, you’re right—these guys are coming in, and they’re not accountable to anyone’… You framed the debate on terms that can sway the public mind.”
  — Lance Wallnau [25:49]

• “We need brave people… We need to stand right in Harvard University. We need to scratch where it itches… The truth will prevail.”
  — Christian Rosas [31:03]

• “The church that isn’t militant watches, prays about it, comments about it, but doesn’t do anything. Now the Charlie Kirks come along… and 100 million others watching are saying, ‘Oh, no. We’re getting more convinced than ever that abortion is actually an issue.’”
  — Lance Wallnau [48:29]

TIMESTAMPS FOR KEY SEGMENTS

• [02:45] – Opening: Lance Wallnau on U.S. & Peru Christian activism
• [05:09] – Christian Rosas: Faith, family, and how movement started
• [10:09] – First act of televised civil disobedience in Peru
• [12:26] – Spark: Movement goes viral, mass civil disobedience, legislative repeal
• [13:49] – ‘Don’t Mess With Our Kids’ branding & coalition tactics
• [19:46] – Building & leading the coalition against gender ideology
• [23:41] – Tracing international funding, the “ideological colonization” frame
• [27:30] – Using science & reason alongside faith in debate
• [28:18] – Soros gives up in Peru; legislative victory
• [29:22] – American applicability; “Don’t Mess” as U.S. movement
• [30:25] – Rosas calls for U.S. boldness and patriotic activism
• [32:12] – Final encouragements, movement contact info

FINAL REFLECTIONS & CALL TO ACTION

• [33:09]–[34:09]: Host and guest agree the courage and resilience of faith-based activism are critical in times of cultural turbulence.
• Wallnau points out state-level activism is possible in America, using Peru as a model for rolling back “gender ideological colonization.”
• [38:28]–[50:56]: Wallnau reflects on Christian nationalism, populist movements, global cultural trends, and the importance of wise argumentation in public square debates, anticipating increasing polarization but also increasing conviction among believers.

RELEVANT LINKS & FOLLOW-UP

• Contact Christian Rosas:

  • Website: Don’t Mess With Our Kids
  • Social: Facebook, Twitter

• For event/coalition info:

  • Watch for upcoming conferences featuring Christian Rosas, Jenny Donnelly, Pastor Russell Johnson, and others.

This episode offers a comprehensive blueprint for faith-driven activism, emphasizing courage, truth-based arguments, coalition building, and adaptive strategy—underscored by the host’s conviction that if such victories are possible in Peru, they are possible in America.