FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU, OCTOBER 4TH, 2025

Summary

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FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU – October 4, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice / Host: Lance Wallnau
Main Theme:
Mobilizing Christian activism for cultural and political transformation—lessons from Peru’s resistance to gender ideology and their application in the United States.

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

On this special episode of “Firewall,” Lance Wallnau explores how Christian grassroots activism in Peru overcame well-funded international progressive networks, notably George Soros’ organizations, in the fight against radical gender ideology. Joined by Peruvian activist Christian Rosas, the conversation covers effective strategies for building cross-denominational movements, the principles behind civil disobedience, reframing debates in public discourse, and the potential for similar mobilization in the U.S. context. The discussion is framed against the backdrop of the recent passing of Charlie Kirk and the surge in Christian political engagement stateside. The message throughout: courageous, intelligent, and united Christian action remains a potent force for cultural renewal.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. The Surge of Christian Activism—Comparing U.S. and Peru

[02:45] Lance Wallnau:

• Notes increased scrutiny and mobilization of Christians in American politics; leftwing voices like Axelrod are "freaking out" about Christian resurgence.
• Highlights that Peru has been ahead, successfully resisting progressive gender legislation where even Soros gave up.

2. Christian Rosas’ Story—Faith, Legacy, and Political Engagement

[05:09] Christian Rosas:

• Fourth-generation pastor with a deep family tradition in ministry.
• His father served two terms in Peru’s Congress, prompting their family and church to begin organized activism.
• Describes the imposition of nine laws in 2016 enforcing gender ideology under "SOGI" (Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity) terms.
• Raises alarm over policies leading to children questioning their identity and, in extreme cases, medicalized gender transitions.

“The only religion in the world that teaches civil disobedience is the Judeo-Christian value system.” – Christian Rosas [07:52]

3. The Principle and Practice of Civil Disobedience

[09:02] Lance Wallnau:

• Draws the distinction between Western churches’ avoidance of conflict versus biblical examples of civil disobedience (Daniel, Peter, Moses).
• Calls Charlie Kirk “a prototype of courageous Christian engagement in culture.”

[10:09] Christian Rosas’ Testimony:

• Churches in Peru debated: obey the government or stand up for biblical truth?
• Christian Rosas volunteered as the first to openly and peacefully break the law live on national TV.
• On-air confrontation with the president of the trans community; Rosas refused to comply, citing his Christian convictions.

“I cannot pretend not to know what everybody knows, cannot repeat a lie. I’m a witness to the truth. I cannot commit moral suicide and deny my [faith] on national TV. I plead guilty of breaking this unjust law, and this is my ID number. Type it in and sue me. I will gladly go to prison rather than reject the truth.” – Christian Rosas [11:48]

4. Spark of a Movement—Mass Civil Disobedience

[12:26] Christian Rosas:

• His bold act spread across social media—“I plead guilty, sue me as well”—leading to mass, coordinated civil disobedience.
• Resulted in the repeal of nine laws, resignation of multiple officials, and ultimately impeachment of Peru’s president.
• Frames “authority” as rooted in the divine author, not in government, especially if laws contradict nature or common sense.

5. Movement Building: ‘Don’t Mess With Our Kids’

[13:49] Lance Wallnau:

• Points out Rosas’ “brilliant branding” and coalition building, uniting Protestants, Catholics, and a broad spectrum of society.

[14:19] Christian Rosas:

• The coalition was built around fundamental, shared truth, appealing to the “Church of Christ”—those unified under one Savior, not denominational bureaucracy.

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PART II: MOVEMENT STRATEGY AND IMPACT

6. Coalition Tactics: Courage and Collective Responsibility

[19:46] Christian Rosas:

• Challenged church leaders by putting himself on the line.
• Position: "If I go to prison, you are next. Let’s team up now; this is our duty."
• Movement demanded children be free to grow naturally, per their families’ values.
• “There’s no greater force than love. We’re willing to relinquish our lives for their sake, for the truth’s sake, for our children.” [21:14]

7. Exposing International Funding and Ideological Colonization

[23:41] Christian Rosas:

• Traced funding for ideological activism to NGOs connected to Soros/Open Society.
• Framed their activism as “ideological colonization,” making it a matter of national sovereignty.
• Repositioned gender ideology as a “secular dogma,” not rooted in science or facts.
• Counter-argument: DNA, biology, and science do not substantiate gender ideology.

“These NGOs are non-elected, they pay no taxes, and they’re not accountable to nationals. This is a new colonization strategy—ideological colonization.” – Christian Rosas [24:04]

8. Reframing Arguments—From Bible to Reason

[27:30] Christian Rosas:

• Demonstrated using both biology textbooks and the Bible: first, win the mind with science and reason; then hearts can understand Scripture.
• Recasting Christians as champions of reason, not merely “Bible-thumpers.”

9. Victory: Forcing Soros Out

[28:05] Lance Wallnau / [28:18] Christian Rosas:

• Soros published a report withdrawing funding, acknowledging no progress after a decade of activism in Peru due to the movement’s success.
• Peru repealed all SOGI terms from national policy, establishing only “male” and “female” in the law.

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PART III: U.S. IMPLICATIONS AND CHRISTIAN NATIONALISM

10. Can Peru’s Strategies Succeed in the United States?

[29:22] Lance Wallnau:

• Notes contemporary U.S. context—left’s alarm over “Christian nationalism,” unrest following Charlie Kirk’s assassination.
• Asks if the “Don’t Mess With Our Kids” movement formula remains viable in America.

[30:25] Christian Rosas:

• Argues truth is universally effective—science, reason, and morality carry weight everywhere.
• Advocates for similar courage in the U.S.; commends Jenny Donnelly for bringing the movement into “difficult” places, not just safe zones.
• Calls for boldness on university campuses (Harvard, Seattle, LA).

“Truth does not fear a challenge. Our Lord is the truth.” – Christian Rosas [32:12]

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• “Civil disobedience, the point of electing to obey God above obedience to men, is a specific trait of the Christian church throughout the ages.”
  — Christian Rosas [08:34]

• “Every threat they would send at us, like, ‘send you to prison’—we’d say, ‘Hurry up. Do so now. We’re not backing down.’ That’s not intimidating… love is what drives us to defend our children.”
  — Christian Rosas [21:10]

• “You took the idea that you’re being colonized. Ideological colonization, so that even somebody who doesn’t share your passion for the Bible goes, ‘Yeah, you’re right—these guys are coming in, and they’re not accountable to anyone’… You framed the debate on terms that can sway the public mind.”
  — Lance Wallnau [25:49]

• “We need brave people… We need to stand right in Harvard University. We need to scratch where it itches… The truth will prevail.”
  — Christian Rosas [31:03]

• “The church that isn’t militant watches, prays about it, comments about it, but doesn’t do anything. Now the Charlie Kirks come along… and 100 million others watching are saying, ‘Oh, no. We’re getting more convinced than ever that abortion is actually an issue.’”
  — Lance Wallnau [48:29]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR KEY SEGMENTS

• [02:45] – Opening: Lance Wallnau on U.S. & Peru Christian activism
• [05:09] – Christian Rosas: Faith, family, and how movement started
• [10:09] – First act of televised civil disobedience in Peru
• [12:26] – Spark: Movement goes viral, mass civil disobedience, legislative repeal
• [13:49] – ‘Don’t Mess With Our Kids’ branding & coalition tactics
• [19:46] – Building & leading the coalition against gender ideology
• [23:41] – Tracing international funding, the “ideological colonization” frame
• [27:30] – Using science & reason alongside faith in debate
• [28:18] – Soros gives up in Peru; legislative victory
• [29:22] – American applicability; “Don’t Mess” as U.S. movement
• [30:25] – Rosas calls for U.S. boldness and patriotic activism
• [32:12] – Final encouragements, movement contact info

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FINAL REFLECTIONS & CALL TO ACTION

• [33:09]–[34:09]: Host and guest agree the courage and resilience of faith-based activism are critical in times of cultural turbulence.
• Wallnau points out state-level activism is possible in America, using Peru as a model for rolling back “gender ideological colonization.”
• [38:28]–[50:56]: Wallnau reflects on Christian nationalism, populist movements, global cultural trends, and the importance of wise argumentation in public square debates, anticipating increasing polarization but also increasing conviction among believers.

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RELEVANT LINKS & FOLLOW-UP

• Contact Christian Rosas:

  • Website: Don’t Mess With Our Kids
  • Social: Facebook, Twitter

• For event/coalition info:

  • Watch for upcoming conferences featuring Christian Rosas, Jenny Donnelly, Pastor Russell Johnson, and others.

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This episode offers a comprehensive blueprint for faith-driven activism, emphasizing courage, truth-based arguments, coalition building, and adaptive strategy—underscored by the host’s conviction that if such victories are possible in Peru, they are possible in America.

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Well, we always are looking at how to move the needle in the United States. And in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's death and the surge of powerful interest that is on Christians now, and we can't help it. Now Axel Ra on the left is freaking out over the resurgence of Christians in politics as though, you know, that was something which we never did before. But evidently we're at a whole new level now. But we are not actually the tip of the spear in that development. In Peru, we studied something very closely. I've got Mercedes here with me today. Glad you're in the studio.

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[Lance Wallnau]

So in Peru, we observed that George Soros with his intricate, well funded activist network pushing gender ideology as aggressively as he does in California and the United States. Suddenly he hit a wall and he hit that wall and got so frustrated, he actually wrote a report that this movement that is in Peru is so unstoppable, it's a waste of his money to try to do any more. And he just got aggravated and pulled his funding out from all the activists. Now, what happened was there was a Christian strategist who was a Charlie Kirk type in Peru that said, we're not going to win this thing doing this. Traditionally, the churches can say everything they want to say. You can make your little Facebook and Twitter post whatever we need to mobilize a movement that moves the national conversation against what they're doing. And the branding genius that spoke into that movement is with us today. I want to invite Christian Ros Rosas. Did I get the name Rosas? They're all coaching me on how to say it. How do you say that again? Christian. Christian Rosas.

[Christian Rosas]

Cristian Rosas. There we go.

[Lance Wallnau]

I love the. Well, brother, thanks for being with us today. Now, first of all, let me before we get into the Soros giving up on Peru and the movement you started and the transferability of those ideas to the United States, tell us, how did you get involved with Christian activism in that stream that you're in right now?

[Christian Rosas]

Well, first of all, thank you, Lance, for the interview. And it's a great opportunity and honor to be your program. You know, I'm the son of a preacher, a pastor, a minister, and the grandson of a preacher and the great grandson of a preacher. So I grew up in church. My dad's been a pastor for 33 years and throughout those 33 years, I have seen the work the church does, missionaries do. And then my father retired from ministry and decided to run for Congress. And he was elected twice, two terms of five year in Peru. And when he was elected, the first five years, we created a movement to alert the church of the threats that voiced the expansion of gender ideology throughout the country. But it wasn't until the year 2016, when we had a president in Peru that decided to enforce and enact and approve nine laws introducing gender nonsense. Now they have their own terms known as sogi, which is sexual orientation and gender identity. With these two terms, they were able to disguise the introduction of a whole ideology that induced our children to question who they were. And in some extreme cases, like it has happened across the world, like England, even persuade them to mutilate healthy organs of their body, just personified a lie. And that was done, you know, bluntly, unapologetically, as if there was no institution on earth that was created to be the backbone of the truth, which is the church. I mean, we must remember Apostle Paul writing to Timothy, John, Timothy, saying that the church is the backbone, is the banner of truth. We are his witnesses, and it is us who were meant to represent his truth at all times. So the challenge for us, it grew was what do we do now? Do we unmold ourselves to the times, to the current government? Do we comply? Do we become accomplice of what is going on? Or do we have a moral conscience that comes from a different spirit? And that's when I realized the moment had arrived. The movement had arrived for the church to act as it has always had throughout the ages. I mean, the only religion in the world that teaches civil disobedience is the judo. Christian values. It began with Sifra and Fua, the two ladies in Egypt that rejected the orders of Pharaoh to murder a child who was born a boy was the first planned parenthood proposal. And they disobeyed the king, Pharaoh, because the Bible says they fear God. And thanks to that fear of the Lord, Moses was able to be born and to finally deliver his people. And we see that throughout the Bible. We see Daniel and his friends. We see Daniel himself, We see Peter when he's summoned on Acts 4 and Acts 5 and he asks the question, who should we obey, whether men or God? And then he answers, it is better to obey God rather than men. So civil disobedience, the point of electing to obey God above obedience to men, when men decide to demand what God forbids, or when men forbids what God demands is a specific trait of the Christian church throughout the ages.

[Lance Wallnau]

All right, so I want to jump in here for just one second because I want to make sure I'm loving this conversation, but I want to make sure I get everything in. In 10 minutes. That's going to be so hard. You're absolutely right. Civil disobedience is something that the weak church in the west is constantly. Because we have enough freedom so we can excuse. Oh, you know, we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do this. It's too political. Charlie Kirk threw down the gauntlet and went into the education, media and politics as a Christian. And a lot of my friends were all cringing and wondering if he was going too far. And now I'm looking at it and saying, wait a second. I don't think God is saying. He think. He's saying this is a prototype of courageous Christian engagement in culture. Find the area you've got to go in. So now they have the laws. You'll be fined in Peru, you're going to be jailed or whatever, but you go on national television. This is the story I heard. And you decided to be Daniel. And you're not going to. You're not going to cooperate. You're going to go to the lion's den, tell people what happened.

[Christian Rosas]

Yes. So when the nine laws were set in place, we gathered the church. There was a big discussion. Some people were saying, well, we're at the end of times. This is how it's going to be. There's nothing we could do. Let's obey to the authorities. And then there was my part which was saying that we need to obey God before man. And this is the tradition of the church. And the time for testing the church in Peru has arrived. And we must do what we were taught to do. We must speak, we must open our mouth and present the whole truth, the whole counsel of the Lord. And we decided to go ahead and purposely, openly, peacefully break the law. And obviously there was someone that had to take the first step, so that was me. So I was introduced to different interviews on national tv, live tv, and where they would place me next to the president of the transsexual community in Peru. And they will bring a woman disguised as a man. You know, it even had cross hormones injected in her that it made him look like a man, even had beer. And the journalists would start saying, christian, what do you have to tell to Sir Michael, the president of the transsexual community? So I would start interview saying, thanks for the interview. Good evening, ma'. Am. And then the guy would go crazy and be like, I'm not a man. I'm a guy. And I said. And he would threaten me, saying, you must take back your words or I will sue you. And now that the law is in place of non discrimination against gender identity, you will be sent to prison.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Christian Rosas]

So take back your words now. And I said, I cannot. And the journalist looked at me and said, why can't you? Because I am a Christian. What does it have to do with anything? I cannot pretend not to know what everybody knows, cannot repeat a lie. I'm a witness to the truth. I cannot commit moral suicide and deny my lawyer on national tv. I plead guilty of breaking this unjust law, and this is my ID number. Type it in and sue me. I will gladly go to prison rather than than reject the truth.

[Podcast Host]

Wow.

[Christian Rosas]

I will not reject the truth. So that created a spark because suddenly everyone on social networks, especially Twitter, were saying, I plead guilty to sue me as well. Send me to prison.

[Lance Wallnau]

Wow.

[Christian Rosas]

And everybody broke the law constantly and massively. That we did the rallies. Nobody. We turned a lot obsolete. And Congress had to repeal the law. We were able to repeal nine laws, but it wasn't easy. We had to oust the education minister. Then the prime minister came in and said, we're not going to back down. So then we didn't want it to end it that way, but we had to ask the prime minister as well. Then the president said, came in. He said, we will not back down. We will enforce this. And then we said, well, it's time to impeach the president. And we did so. We breached the president because authority comes with the word author as its prefix. That's the root of the word authority. The highest authority of family and life is the author of life and family. It's not man. It's God himself. And that has been established in nature. So no law that goes against nature revealed nature revealed moral common sense can be legitimate.

[Lance Wallnau]

So let me just jump here and say something, because we got like 30 seconds here. You branded it brilliantly. Don't mess with our kids.

[Christian Rosas]

Yes.

[Lance Wallnau]

But you built a coalition in order to do this. So Christian activism is what is sustaining what Wilberforce called a sustained pattern of public persuasion. Elected officials saw that. We get in trouble because you worked with Catholics and you worked with all people. Isn't that correct? You built a large coalition.

[Christian Rosas]

Yes, because that coalition was like, all right, guys, we are calling and summoning the Church of Christ, not necessarily the Church that is registered on human archives. I'm talking the Church of Christ. That is one that has one savior and that obeys the will of his Lord at all times throughout history. It's only one church. There's only one savior. There's only one Lord.

[Lance Wallnau]

Hold it, hold it. Right. The reason I got to do this is I'm putting this on Real America's voice and I have to do a quick break for Rob's sake. But we're gonna come right back and I want you to hear this because this is how you mobilize a movement that has electoral impact and cultural impact at the same time. We'll be right back.

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[Lance Wallnau]

All right, we're back with Christian Barrosas and he is the leader of the movement. Don't mess with our kids that kicked Soros out of Peru and overturned. I just found out a couple of electoral officials you guys mobilized. And the point that I want to get to now is it's one thing to have ardent evangelicals making a statement, but to get what you had to get, you had to build a coalition of CO Belligerence So who made up the angry populist movement that was in public display and I guess what, not going to work or shutting down the country? You guys must have done something that let them know you're doing more than just a little paid for demonstration, right?

[Christian Rosas]

Oh, yes, of course. First of all, I challenged the Church to return to Christ, to return to the truth, right? But I did so not just by speaking, but by putting myself on the line and saying, look, if I go to prison, there's gonna be no difference with you guys. You guys are gonna be next. So we better team up right now. This is the time to set an example. And of course we found resistance. We found the government and the establishment. We found their heart hardened. They were stubborn and we knew what we had to do. We had to fight for the truth because we were fighting for children's innocence in the hearts. I mean, what happened in England that so many children were mutilated, healthy organs of the body, irreversible situation. And in the school they were indoctrinating them with pure deceit and lies. There is someone that has to be responsible for this. And I wouldn't blame the politicians in the first place. I think the first responsible institution is the Church because they are the witness of the truth and the judgment of the Lord are truthful and righteous at once altogether. So when there's a fire, you call the firefighter. When there's a robbery, you call the police. But who do you summon when the truth falls down on the public square? That's the church. It's the Church's duty to do so. So we decided to rally, we decided to speak up and we said, we're not backing down. We're going to remove and repeal all of these laws because these laws are unjust and they create a danger for children. We want our children to grow peacefully, naturally, according to the values and principles of their families. We don't want our kids to be confused. So we said clearly, don't mess with our kids. And by doing so, the government and culture start realizing there was no way to negotiate this. There was no way to intimidate us. Because every threat they would send at us, like, say, we'll send you to prison, we're like, hurry up. Do so now. We're not backing down. That's not intimidating. We'll do everything it takes for our children because love is what drives us to defend our children. And there's no greater force than love. We're willing to relinquish our lives for their sake. For the truth's sake, for our children. That was our duty, our God ordained duty to do so.

[Lance Wallnau]

So that the part I want to jump in on is the adversary you're dealing with was working through academia, through the teachers, as they do in the United States, teachers unions, the curriculum, the way in which the radicalized teachers would endorse at a young age this year, you know, if you're pursuing who you are, gender wise and, and then, then you have the politicians who ride the crest of, of populist depravity. If there's no conscience, if there's no church in the culture and they get elected and they get power. So you have the education mountain, the way I do it, and you have the political mountain. Then you have the media in the pocket of the politicians who are out, you know, vilifying. But if you have any freedom of speech, you also have the ability to get your side out, which you were able to do live on TV by being defiant. Now then we find out that American billionaires are funding an ideologic, you know what we call it, poisoning of nations. From European mass immigration to the transgender ideology, there actually is like a demonic network of well funded ideologues who are trying to collapse Western civilization, don't realize they're doing the devil's business. But how did this end up, how did you end up, what did you expose regarding funding that was behind the transgender movement?

[Christian Rosas]

Well, we did a case study as well, you know, portraying and explaining to the people that all of these NGOs were being funded by Open Society, Soros and other progressive movements that wanted to enforce people to be like them, like the way they think. Right? So we were like, these NGOs are non elected, they pay no taxes, and they're not accountable to nationals. So this is a new colonization strategy. So we call it an ideological colonization. So that made Peruvians, as a country that was freed from the colony of Spain, to realize we're fighting for our sovereignty and our freedom as well. So we frame it in such a way that whenever they wanted to sound smart, like academia, we clearly said it was a secular superstition. It was a secular dogma. And it was plainly an ideology that had no connection with truth or facts or with science. It was just a superstitious dogma and we needed to vanquish this because he had no academic ground. And we're like, no, we have academic ground. No, you don't. Because there's no way to prove scientifically what you're saying. There's no change of sex. You just need one hair, one drop of blood, DNA test, and it will always show the real sex, even when you die. Your bones are masculine or feminine. They're either male or female. And we will battle by explaining anthropologically, scientifically, everything you guys state is a superstition, is a dogma, is a secular dogma that has no connection at all with academia. So we portray them as the ones that were spreading superstitions. And we were sounding like the intelligent one right on tv. And we're like, we cannot be intimidated. But something that is nonsense, has no connection with academia, is pure lies. And he's trying to up all cup I love.

[Lance Wallnau]

So here's the genius of what you did. You took the idea that you're being colonized. Ideological colonization, so that even somebody doesn't share, let's say, your passion for the Bible as the inspired word of God. They go, yeah, you know what? You're right. These guys are coming in NGOs, and you started circling who the enemies were. Not accountable to anyone. They don't pay taxes. They're just. They're funded by other countries to invade our country with their ideology. Then you take the. The supposed embarrassment of Christians not able to answer the transgender issue. It's confusing. And you go, that's not confusing. It's a false scholasticism. It's a spirit. As a matter of fact, it's secular dogma. It's secular superstition. You have to actually believe nonsense to believe that. Here's the science. So you literally, instead of resorting to which we could all do as believers. I was one time in a. In a. When homosexuality was being legalized in the United States. I was in one of the early legal debates with it. And I remember watching Christians quoting the Bible and how ineffective it was in the Legislative assembly in Rhode Island. Cause they would just smile and say, do you understand that this is a political and not a religious organization? So what we had to do is we had to reframe our argument based upon what doctors were saying was damaging for families and for children in this social experiment of gay marriage. And we stalled it because we used arguments that would carry the public opinion. And so that's what you do. You find out how to frame the debate so that it's on terms that can sway the public mind. Am I correct in that?

[Christian Rosas]

Yes, of course. And, you know, I would illustrate this by bringing a biology book with me and a Bible. And I would go and say, first we need to conquer them to reason again. They must reconcile their mind with facts and science so that they can understand the word of God. Because they are so far captive into superstition. That is like going back in time. We need to convince them first with reason, science, pure facts, so they can understand then not just facts, but the word of God.

[Lance Wallnau]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Christian Rosas]

So they don't.

[Lance Wallnau]

I love that. So now Soros ends up writing a public document. I mean, you know, he was frustrated because he actually printed a rebuke to the NGOs because they're wasting his money. Is that true?

[Christian Rosas]

Yeah. And he said, I'm not giving no more money. Because in more than a decade in Peru, you have not advanced nothing. Because Peru never approved abortion of any kind, not even civil union, much less gay marriage, gay adoption. Everything that had the word gender was, you know, completely repealed from our judicial system. We place the terms male and female and erase gender from all of our legislation. Right. So that way they couldn't do anything. Because their magic or their. The way they manipulate countries is through the terms. Because terms introduce concepts. That's why the Lord says he's the Word. Because a word describes reality, truth, but a term describes a concept. So we wanted our legislation to have words, truth, that can be verified, like male and female, not terms that need for you to be convinced of a dogma to begin with. Right.

[Lance Wallnau]

I'm going to be interested, Christian, in having a conversation with you when we get together. You'll be speaking at one of our conferences. And the thing I want you to think about before we get together, given the unique moment that we're in in the United States, I mean, they're. Like I said, Axelrod is now openly storming and fuming about Christian nationalism because there's so many Christians that are involved with government. We can't do it now, but we have to talk to you about, if you were in the United States, having to adapt a strategy. As a political scientist and a Christian and a sociologist, in a sense, where are the places we can go? And just out of curiosity, do you believe Don't Mess with Our Kids? Because the trans movement is really suffering credibility right now. We have like seven out of eight incidents that have all been violence related to them, including the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I'm curious, do you think the Don't Mess with Our Kids is still a viable, mobilizing movement in the United States?

[Christian Rosas]

Of course. Because the truth bearer will always conquer. Because we don't fight on our own arguments. We just explain what has been established and what can be proven scientifically by reason and by common Sense and morality. So I'm certain that the truth and the success that we achieved in Peru can be achieved anywhere in the world, because there's only one truth and we're all fighting the same lie. So we need to adapt it accordingly. But one of the things that made us really successful is that we were not just very courageous. We went the extra mile. And that's what I appreciate of Jenny Donnelly. She did not just rally. Don't mess with her kids in the safe zones. She actually went and conquered. She went to Seattle and displayed the reaction of our enemies. She went to Los Angeles and was able to prove that the government would not give us permission to rally. So we need to do those things. We need to go and challenge. We need to go and challenge at every university possible. We need to go to the democratic area. I mean, look at Apostle Paul. He would stand up outside of the Temple of Artemis and he did not fear whatsoever. We need to do the same. That's the same strategy. We need to stand right in Harvard University. We need to scratch where itches right there. And we need to make this notable noticeable. And we will win. We just need brave people to be willing to do so. The truth will prevail. Truth does not fear a challenge. Our Lord is the truth.

[Podcast Host]

Amen.

[Lance Wallnau]

I love that, Christian. Well, we're out of time. That is one of the limitations we have. But we're going to be talking to you again, and you mentioned Jenny Donnelly and Pastor Russell Johnson, and we have some courageous leaders that are on the front lines. Yeah. And you're going to be at a conference with all of them. So we look forward to seeing you. We have to end here. And I got to wrap it up and go into the next segment. We're going to have you on Rav Real America's Voice so everybody can get more information. By the way, how do they keep in touch with you? What do they do to get to connect with you?

[Christian Rosas]

Oh, yeah. They can either follow Don't Mess with Her Kids, which is the movement website, or my name, Christian Rosas. I'm on Facebook and Twitter, so feel free to follow. I'm sure when we get there, we're going to make some. Some noise.

[Lance Wallnau]

I'm sure we will get you. We'll get the message out. God bless you, brother. See you soon.

[Christian Rosas]

God bless you.

[Lance Wallnau]

Well, that's.

[Podcast Host]

I tell you what, it's going to take brave voices. I mean, coming on the heels of Charlie Kirk's memorial service, as somebody who took the fight right to those univers he said Harvard at the end made me think of Charlie. And it's gonna take more Christians. Standing boldly reminds me of the vice president saying, and I've talked more about Jesus in these last couple of weeks since Charlie's service. But it's boldness, Lance. You know, it's courage. Reminds me of our courage tour that Jenny was on the courage tour with us. So I'm excited to see what's next. What's next for the chapter in America and if it's possible in Peru, it's possible in America.

[Lance Wallnau]

Yeah. And you know, it doesn't even have to be national because our states are such that we could actually get a movement going and begin to roll back this gender ideological colonization from Soros in states and create a national movement.

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Boy, I've got an interesting subject to go into now. Those of you who've been watching the broadcast on rav. We just got done doing a discussion with Christian Rosas about how, as a Christian activist, he mobilized Peru in order to kick George Soros out and meet the false science of gender ideology on the grounds of real science. And instead of just sounding like a Bible thumper, they went at it smart and said, you're the ones that are creating a fiction regarding men and women. And then he went ahead to disprove it in half a dozen ways. That the gender is set your bones when you're in the grave can still be tested 20 years later to see if you are a male or female. The DNA, your hair strand, skin sample, saliva, tells us whether you're male or female. The chromosome record is irrefutable. But that's beyond the point. The point is that we have a moment now where we have to be able to frame the arguments for why we believe what we believe in a way that meets the left head on. Now, there's something. Two things have happened in the last seven days, 10 days that I want to put together. The United nations meeting with Donald Trump and the leaders of all these nations and the Charlie Kirk Memorial. It was Axelrod, who is a major voice in the think tank of the Democrat and progressive community. And he's the one who said he's freaked out. If that was, you know, 70 to 100,000 that showed up for a funeral. They represent millions like them. And now Christian nationalism. Oh, that dangerous resurgence of the word Christian nationalist. Now, whether I use the word or you use the word doesn't matter. They're going to try to label it, and you know what? They're going to throw it at you. You might as well figure out that right now. They don't know what they mean when they say it. If you ask anyone, what do you mean by Christian nationalists? They can't even define it, but they're going to still slander you with it anyway. It's kind of like being racist. It doesn't have to have validity. They just got to throw it at you till you peel it off. Now, regarding this movement of the United nations and what happened with Charlie Kirk, here's what I want to say. In the United nations, you could see the pontificating of the League. I listened to some of the presidents. It's rather painful, you know, as they're. They're obviously orators of their own, you know, countries, and they're talking about the dangerous, you know, what they're basically saying is the United States is a dangerous power because, like, you know, Brazil, Luna, who's a communist, who's locked up, Bolsonaro, you know, and is as dangerous as having Bernie Sanders elected with, you know, stolen election. So anyway, you got Lula over there getting up there pontificating about the dangers of the United States and the international community just messing with other sovereign countries and playing games. I suppose they're talking about tariffs and stuff. And Trump comes in, throws the gauntlet down and says, your escalator didn't work. Your teleprompter doesn't work. The UN doesn't work, by the way. I mean, your problem is you don't have the courage to deal with, with mass immigration, which is a leftist ideological colonizing of Europe to fragment and Balkanize it with Muslims, basically, who eventually take over a large part of Europe. Right now, I think seven out of eight of the major cities in London, in England, rather, are already led by Muslim mayors. So they've already accomplished, you know, their, their invasion. And what I want to point out to you is these two things aren't separate. They speak to two things that are happening at the same time in terms of culture. I want you to go to Psalm 2. I'm doing this on a Sunday for real America's Voice. So we ought to get a little bit of the Bible in here, don't you think? Psalm 2 says there comes a time when the United nations, the only forum I know of that would have a Psalm 2 convening when the nations rage and the people plot a vain thing, and the presidents and rulers and kings of the earth set themselves and take counsel together in a convening and a strategic governmental gathering of global leaders. And their fight is against the Lord Jesus and against any of that. He is anointed to represent him against the Lord and his anointed. And they're saying it's time we broke the church tyranny of this, this thing off of us. They're. They're blocking our progress in, in the environment and global warming and fighting the. They're blocking our progress in creating a world without walls where, where, where we're no longer going to allow us to be divided by them and their dangerous rhetoric. You see, the uprising is already happening in Europe. You're already seeing it. And it's, it's, it's going to continue to grow because whether it's in England or whether it's in Italy or whether it's in. I was going to say in London, or in Ireland. What you're seeing is the populist movement is rising up just as it did in the United States, and it's saying, our elected officials are not protecting us. They're globalist wimps. And Donald Trump, God bless him for the period of time he's here, he is like the only backbone in the globe. He lists seven conflicts he ended. He said, what are you guys doing? I did it. I'll tell you what. The American, the United States is strong. And then they go to say, well, what do you recommend? If they set him up with questions, they set up traps for him like they did with Jesus in the Bible, and they asked him this in order to test him, in order to lay a trap for him. So they say to him, well, what do you recommend they do when Russia flies over their airspace, Trump? They said, do you think they have a right to shoot down any jets that come from Russia? Trump goes, yeah, shoot them down. I'm laughing because he's congruent. He's saying, you're wimps. I mean, you're going to get bullied. And you know, you're going to get bullied and bullied and bullied until, you know, either you fight back and you deal, but you're going to keep buying Russian oil, you're going to keep funding their invasion of Ukraine because you lack what it takes to disconnect because of the economic implications and the political fallout. And the banking community doesn't like it. And Trump basically is calling him out and saying, at this moment, the rulers gathering together in New York aren't here at Psalm 2. But I'm telling you, you remove the strength of a Donald Trump from that picture. You keep seeing the strength of the Charlie Kirk phenomena, which is Christian infused, spiritually empowered courage, mobilizing populations to resist the tyranny of the bureaucracy that is in bed with Davos and the corporatists who control the big tech industries and pharmaceuticals and the armament industry and all their vested interests. It's going to be an interesting thing. So what I want you to catch is Psalm 2 says rulers will take counsel together and they will say, we've got to break this. This movement isn't stopping, is what I'm saying. It's going to keep growing. It's going to keep growing. And then here's one for all the people that fear Christian nationalism, I'm going to give you a little verse to flip your freight wig. The Lord says, I will declare the decree. And so the Father is decreeing to the Son. Psalm 2 is a resurrection psalm. It's the conversation between the Father and the Son. It's a powerful, interesting psalm. It's the Trinity and the interaction with the three of them on the day Jesus is raised from the dead. And you know that because Acts 13:33, if you do, your Bible will tell you. Psalm 2 deals with the resurrection. It's prophetic. David's reaching into the future and having a conversation. He says, the Father says, I will declare the decree. The Lord has said to me. Jesus is saying, I will declare the decree. The Lord has said to me, you are my son, today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will give you the nations for your inheritance. At the end of the day, Jesus is the ultimate political ruler over all the nations. He's coming back to assert that right. And the world will be in what we call the tribulation at that time. Just understand the relevance of Bible theology and eschatology as it overlaps with circumstances playing out in current events. There's an intersection, a convergence, if you will, of the Bible and news right now. Convening public assemblies that are labeling where the problem is. It's going to start to be a label on the movement that Jesus has because God's movement is going to get stronger throughout the earth and the thing that provides courage. I listened to Vivek the other day doing, you know, an Ohio vigil for after Charlie Kirk's death. And he said he feared that what would happen with the Gen Xers is that they would all go mute because of the fear of being killed. But I thought, yeah, Gen Xers might, but not spirit filled Gen Xers, because God raises up bold martyrs when martyrs fall boldly. So a new generation is going to start to rise up. At least the momentum's on them now. And natural man will break, but Christians will not break. They're getting stronger, they're getting more muscular, they're getting more. When I say militant, I'm talking about the church militant. I'm saying onward Christian soldiers. What we're talking about is we are not backing down from the proxy war. The proxy war, you know, the proxy war is. It's when Hezbollah is attacking Israel and Hamas is attacking Israel, but really Iran, Iran from the northeast. Iran is funding it and giving their instructions to the Hamas headquarters. When the money's coming in from around the world and the globalists and all these other people pro Palestine, pro Palestine and the anti Israel. What I want you to catch is the proxy war means Israel is really fighting Iran through the Proxies got that? So the culture war with the trans ideology is the proxy war between hell and earth. And it's showing up in lawless ice, lawless attacks on ice and open borders and the trans movement. And in every legalized form of depravity you have the proxy war that is in culture. It's heaven and hell colliding. The problem is the church that isn't militant, watches, prays about it, comments about it, but doesn't do anything. Now the Charlie Kirk's come along and many, as you saw, 90,000 there and 100 million others watching, they're saying, oh no, no, we're getting more convinced than ever that abortion is actually an issue. That's actually as a moral. There's a line there in the sand and there's a moral issue about the invasion of your country and as a moral issue about mutilating the genitals of children. And there's a moral issue about you teachers that are brainwashing our children, alienating them from the parents. And there's a moral issue about uncontrolled debt and slavery that comes out of that. So now the Christians are beginning to wake up. And I'm saying all this for a reason, because the church militant is the church that is now engaged in the proxy war on the front lines by marshaling argument influence the coalition building. And as they did in Peru, they mobilized a movement that says don't mess with our kids. And they made it unpopular for an elected official to fight the will of the populace when it comes to their children. And Soros quit Peru, pulled his money out and said, I can't beat this thing. And that's the reason why I want to talk about the return of the lion. We're going to go into that in a second. Jesus is coming back and a movement precedes him. We'll be right back.

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And he brought Abraham and he showed him the borders and boundaries and the real estate of his descendants, Israel. And I'm saying that because Israel is a covenant concept with almighty God. The book 66 book written by all Jews, by the way, the apostles, all Jews. St. Peter wasn't Catholic. He was a messianic Jew. Hey, here's a real weird one. He was not only a messianic Jew, he was a Pentecostal Messianic Jew from the upper room who prayed in tongues. Never forget my mother. One day I said, mom, she goes, she was upset about she was Catholic and I was a charismatic Christian. And I said to her, mom, Mary was in the upper room. The Bible says Mary and all his brethren were there when the Holy Spirit fell. Mary wasn't Catholic, she was a Jewish woman who spoke in tongues. And I never get my mother's response. Stop talking against the Virgin Mary. See a religious condition. I was talking against the Virgin Mary. I wasn't. I was trying to describe who Mary was. Anyway, the anti Israel thing is people forget God's covenant with the land of Israel. Starts with Abraham. Before they had any boundaries, before they had any land. Then God said, go to the Canaanites, they had Jebusite, the Hittite, all of these barbaric, you know, people, and go out, dispossess, occupy that little piece of real estate. That's where your people are going to be and that's where the Messiah is going to come and die for the nations. And then when the Lord returns, he's returning where? Not returning to Baltimore. He's not returning to, you know, Roanoke, Virginia. He's returning to Mount Zion. The Mount of Olives, rather. He's coming down to the Mount of Olives. And the Mount of Olives, according to Zechariah, is where he ascended. And how could this guy have known 540 years before Jesus even existed? This is the location, the GPS coordinates for where the Messiah will return. Evidently, prophetically, he knew where Jesus would return because it's the exact location where the Bible says he ascended. Now, something the Bible says that bothers me and it bothers me about the United States, which may a lot of my friends say, well, how come the United States doesn't mention in prophecy? You got all these other nations, you know, Egypt is there, Ethiopia is there, you got. It's funny, they're all Libya. The nations are still in the Bible are mentioned that are current. Where's the United States? Well, my only fear is the United States turns its back on the, on the providential hand of the mercy of God that has us teetering on this $34 trillion air bubble of debt. It can go down like that, global reset. And where's the United States in this hostile world that hates us? If we don't maintain economic supremacy and military power, my friend, America will have its own tribulation, unlike you've ever seen. And I'm telling you this, and I don't have time in seven minutes to make the full apologetic, but I'm just going to throw it out there. And you Christians know what I'm saying. God help us if we take the 6,7 million Jews that are over there in Israel that God has a covenant with to bring them back to him, and we cut them off and leave them at the mercy of their enemies when it was within our power to help them. That's called cutting your lifeline as far as I'm concerned. Because the mercy of God is upon us in large part because we have been and properly aligned with God's covenant purposes for Israel. I'm not talking about endorsing their every political decision they make. I'm talking about the disposition you have towards Israel as a believer, and so let me. But eventually all the nations are going to turn against. Going to turn against. Let's want you to go. Look at this, for instance. Zechariah 12, if you got a Bible. Zechariah 12. This, this is a fear this is going to happen. I mean, it's in the Bible. That's why I wrote it all in this book. You get my, a little bit of my apologetic here. Zechariah, chapter 12, verse 3. Behold, verse 2. Behold. I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness, a cup of trembling to all the surrounding peoples when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples. All who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it. So God basically says, all the nations are going to turn in unity against Israel. Well, you're going to have the rise of this figure called the Antichrist. I just showed you in Psalm 2, where the nations are gathered together and they want to break the yoke of this Judeo Christian alignment. Whatever the Lord has anointed represents, which I believe is going to be the movement of God that is still rising in the earth. It'll be pushed back on vigorously by the elites, the progressive powers that see it as a threat. Then the Bible says here every nation is going to be coming against Jerusalem and it's going to be a good cup of trembling and a burdensome stone when they do that. And then it says in verse nine, it shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of grace and supplication. And they will look upon me whom they pierced. Well, that's an Interesting statement. 540 years before Roman crucifixion shows up, the prophet reaches out to a metaphor and says, they're going to look on me. Me, Yahweh, look upon God. When were you pierced on the cross? Jesus, the son of the living God, was pierced. Do you see this? These are the evidences of the inspiration of Scripture. They will look upon me. God's talking. Jesus talking, whom they pierced. And they will mourn for him as one mourns for his only son, his firstborn son, and grieve for me as a firstborn. What does it mean in that day there should be great mourning in Jerusalem. And what it's speaking of is that Israel shall have a veil opened up and they shall see when all else forsake them, the faithfulness of the Christian people that stood with Israel, the faithfulness of the Jewish people with no friends left. And they begin to look to the Messiah, Yeshua. And the Lord himself will fight for them in that day. So let's go on. I'm just showing you what the Bible says. The Lord says all the nations will come against Jerusalem. I'm assuming the United States might be listed in all those nations, which might explain why we're nowhere in the prophecies of the last days nations. And I pray it isn't when J.D. vance is president. Lord help us. We're not that far. I don't really believe we're that far from these things. 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