FIREWALL, WITH LANCE WALLNAU, SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2025

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Real America’s Voice – FIREWALL with Lance Wallnau (September 13th, 2025)

Episode Overview

This episode of FIREWALL, hosted by Lance Wallnau on Real America’s Voice via iHeartPodcasts, focuses on “convergence”—the idea of reaching one’s ultimate purpose and assignment in life, particularly as it relates to faith, destiny, personal development, and cultural engagement. Wallnau weaves biblical narratives with current events and practical advice for listeners seeking to understand their individual calling and impact as Christians in society. The content is presented with Wallnau’s characteristic mix of humor, rhetorical energy, and prophetic undertones.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Power of Pattern Recognition

[02:39–08:00]

• Wallnau opens with the provocative idea of an “IQ boost” through recognizing patterns, both in life and in scripture:
  • “The secret to wisdom… patterns. If I say 2, 4, 6, you say 8... When you can discern a pattern, it gives you an instantaneous wisdom boost.”
  • He claims that seeing biblical patterns equips believers to navigate the birth, death, and resurrection of personal visions or callings—life as a three-act play: promise, contradiction, fulfillment.
  • Drawing and illustrating concepts (even just on a napkin) helps solidify and communicate insight: “If you can illustrate a concept with a pen on a napkin, you actually have greater power over the idea.”

2. Understanding the “Call of God” and the Model of Convergence

[08:00–23:00]

• Wallnau introduces the technical term “convergence”: the intersection where your gifts, experiences, and calling align for maximum impact.
  • Stages leading to convergence:
    • Sovereign Beginning: “You were born for this hour—gender, race, nationality are sovereign choices.”
    • Spiritual Formation: “You met Jesus, you encountered God…with exposure to spiritual truth.”
    • Gift Discovery and Development: “You start to discover what it is you really do well.”
    • Life Maturing: The season of ordinary work, disappointments, and feeling overlooked.
    • Convergence Zone: Where acquired skills and tested character are employed in your ultimate assignment.
  • Notable analogy: Just as Joseph was “stuck in Egypt, learning a language he didn’t need (or so he thought),” so too are many being prepared in places they don’t expect.
  • "David said, 'Thou has enlarged me in my distress.' God builds a muscle in you by stretching it."
• Encouragement during growth: Wallnau stresses embracing the discomfort of new roles (using his own experiences speaking to secular audiences) as a necessary part of getting to convergence.

3. Biblical Examples and the Call to Societal Engagement

[23:00–35:00]

• Wallnau discusses the story of Barnabas and Saul (Paul) in Acts 13, drawing distinctions between preparation work and “the work” of ultimate calling:
  • “They were doing the work God called them to do, but they were not yet in the work that spoke to their convergence—ultimate assignment.”
  • He introduces “modality” (local church) and “sodality” (apostolic mission/venture), outlining how the New Testament community both gathered and was then released to confront the “gates of hell.”
• He critiques cultural institutions (government, education, media, entertainment) and argues that Christians must “go to the gates” to confront darkness, not merely exist on the sidelines.
  • “The gates of hell are in government… operating over the education system… media propaganda, fake news government… entertainment and arts, goofy cartoons.”
• Wallnau lauds Trump and others as unexpected disruptors positioned to challenge entrenched systems:
  • “God has to raise up voices like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk… God apprehended them and said... they're on my team now.”

4. Daniel, Microchurches, and the Ecclesia Model

[33:02–46:00]

• Using the story of Daniel and his companions in Babylon, Wallnau illustrates the power of small, prayerful communities (“micro-churches” or “ecclesia”) embedded in places of influence:
  • “Daniel has a house and he’s meeting with his ecclesia in Babylon… They got an upgrade in the crises to the gate. Look for the pattern people.”
  • Emphasizes the necessity for believers to find or form prayer groups/teams in their spheres—business, education, government—as strategic “ecclesia” cells.
  • “Pray in the Holy Ghost till you find two or three other people. If you do not have an ecclesia… you’re not like floating through… if you've got already you're up the mountain… you need two or three in covenant with.”
  • To displace the “strong man,” prayer plus assignment is required: “Not enough to pray about the strong man's house. How will you bind him, lest you first bind him and then plunder his house?”

5. Convergence and Authority: Stepping into the Ultimate Assignment

[46:13–56:00]

• Wallnau applies the convergence model to personal destiny:
  • “Many of you are doing what God called you to do, but you have not yet been set apart to your ultimate assignment.”
  • Emerging into convergence brings new authority and frequently, a change in title, as seen with Paul’s transition: “He went from being the second guy on the team to the team leader.”
  • He stresses the importance of serving others’ visions as preparation for one’s own promotion: “If you can't serve someone else's vision, who's going to give you your own?”
  • Personal story: Recounting being snubbed at a meeting of wealthy Christian leaders—only to be named executive director of the organization years later.
    • “When in doubt, just serve. Charge it to my account… Did I call you to do this? Yeah. Then it’s okay.”

6. Practical Advice for Kingdom Impact in Secular Settings

[56:00–1:05:00]

• Wallnau offers pragmatic advice for believers, including those in hostile or secular workplaces:
  • “If there’s no Christians in your organization, pray for God to lead you to who will accept Jesus… If you don’t know where the Christians are, you might have to lead them to Jesus.”
  • He notes that God often brings the necessary two to three allies for prayer and spiritual leverage (“He is so wanting a church in the workplace that he’ll give you an advantage…”).
• Assignment and geography:
  • “Ultimate convergence is when your gifts, talents, and acquired skills have reached a place where you step into your ultimate office… and then you’re going to be given your ultimate geography.”
  • “You know the harvest God has for you by who comes to you to solve a problem… Observe closely what people come to you for and what they ask for.”
• Jesus as Model: Just as Jesus knew when his assignment was over (when the Greeks sought him), so too should listeners discern when their role or harvest shifts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pattern Recognition:

  • “If you can illustrate a concept with a pen on a napkin, you actually have greater power over the idea.” (Wallnau, 03:15)

• On Convergence and Life’s Purpose:

  • “After you get born again, the only thing that really matters is standing before Jesus, having finished the race and done what he's called you to do.” (Wallnau, 05:55)

• On Preparation and Distress:

  • “God builds a muscle in you by stretching it. David said, 'Thou has enlarged me in my distress.'” (Wallnau, 09:45)

• On Courage and Risk-Taking:

  • “The ability to look foolish is the art of being successful. As Christians, you have to be willing to miss it in order to hit it.” (Wallnau, 17:00)

• On Christian Influence in Public Spheres:

  • “The gates of hell are in government… The gates of hell are also operating over the education system… News flash, Trump’s the perfect guy to have an office to declare war on the establishment. No wonder they tried to kill him and lock him up for 700 years.” (Wallnau, 27:00)

• On Serving Before Leading:

  • “Unless you've helped to make someone else successful, who's gonna go to work for you? There’s something about that philosophy that puts an anointing on you.” (Wallnau, 47:00)

• On Authority Adjustment in Convergence:

  • “He went from being the second guy on the team to the team leader. Convergence for him was to be an apostle. Leading.” (Wallnau, 46:50)

• On Discernment and Assignment:

  • “How do I know who to talk to, Lord? The Lord says… Observe closely what people come to you for and what they ask for. It’s your gift that God is trying to reveal to you.” (Wallnau, 54:45)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Content | Timestamp | |---------|---------|-----------| | Power of Patterns | Pattern recognition and IQ boost | 02:39–08:00 | | The Call of God & Convergence Model | Stages of development & destiny | 08:00–23:00 | | Biblical Examples of Convergence | Barnabas & Saul in Acts 13 | 23:00–35:00 | | Daniel & Microchurches (Ecclesia) | Prayer groups in secular spaces | 33:02–46:00 | | Convergence & Authority | Stepping up to ultimate assignments | 46:13–56:00 | | Advice for Marketplace Believers | Finding allies, discerning harvest | 56:00–1:05:00 |

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Episode Takeaways

• Recognizing patterns—in scripture, in life—provides a wisdom advantage in navigating personal and societal challenges.
• “Convergence” is the place where preparation, calling, and circumstance meet; Wallnau stresses faith, persistence, and practical service as key elements on the journey.
• Christians have a mandate, not just to be passive but to actively confront societal “gates of hell” in government, media, education, and entertainment.
• The model of Daniel and his friends in Babylon serves as a pattern: small, committed prayer circles can wield great influence, even in hostile environments.
• Practical advice to believers: serve others’ visions, pray for partners in your sphere, and remain alert to the shifting assignments that will mark your own season of convergence.
• Memorable charge: “Hold fast your crown. Let someone else take it. Many of you are still wrestling and racing for the crown. You’re being faithful where you are, but I want you to keep running with your eye upon the prize.” (Wallnau, 46:30)

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This episode serves as a rallying message for believers to identify their season, embrace the developmental process, and press on toward their ultimate calling—impacting both individual destiny and the broader culture.

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How many of you would like to have a supernatural IQ boost? We're gonna give you the Ashkenazi Jew upgrade right now. You're gonna go 10 points higher. And here's how you do it. The secret to wisdom, and this is how friends of mine make millions and billions of dollars in investment. They know the patterns of investment. They know the patterns in the marketplace. They have an instinct, but they know patterns. If I say 2, 4, 6, you say 8. You didn't sound very certain on that. 8 is the right answer. To make it even easier, we teach our little children, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Oh, you see, when you can discern a pattern, it gives you an instantaneous wisdom boost. Now those are simple patterns and arithmetic patterns, but the patterns are in the Bible too. And when you, when you're around long enough and you start to realize the, the Bible patterns are there, you recognize. Well, patterns actually help you because then you recognize that when there's a birth of a vision that God gives you, then you know from the life of Jesus that there's also a death of a vision. And then there's a supernatural resurrection of a vision. And so I remember when you know, it's like the three, the three acts of a, of a play. There's the initial promise, there's the contradiction, and then there's the fulfillment of the promise. This is the story of your life. By the way, the reason why you ought to be able to say Amen is because a guy by the name of Henri Le Curcier saw the pattern. So I'm going to show you some patterns. I'm going to throw as many patterns as I can on the board because if I can get you to see four or five patterns, you will have a 10 point IQ boost over other people. And here's the other thing, we can make it even higher, possibly 13. You know why? If you can illustrate a concept with a pen on a napkin, you actually have greater power over the idea than if you just communicate it as abstract. And sometimes when you're trying to say something to somebody, am I making sense? Is what you end up saying. But if you could draw a picture, that's an immediate clarifier. So I'm going to give you the benefit of a couple of those pieces together. Let's start with those of you that what your, your goal is to answer the call of God. Jesus said in John 17, Father, I glorified you on the earth, for I finished the work you gave me to do. Well, that's a powerful verse. It means that the way that you glorify God on the earth isn't by getting saved. Getting saved gets you to heaven. You glorify God by doing the thing he assigned you to do, so finishing the work he called you to do. I feel a burden today because Cheryl put it into me about making sure everybody hears about the call of God. Well, the call of God's my favorite subjects. Making sure you're all in the call of God. Because after you get born again, the only thing that really matters is standing before Jesus, having finished the race and done what he's called you to do. You must have a lot of joy in this, Cindy, because you get to travel around the world. You're fulfilling the call with you and Mike, prophesying the nations, and you're doing. There's this kind of sense when we're running, especially those of us that do the running like this. I'm always aware that I've got my. I have my audit at the end of my life as to whether I did the things I was called to do and whether I did. So I'm always anxious to make sure I'm engaged in what the Father. The work the Father wants me to do, because I'm accountable for that. And the call of God, the word that I use for that, that is a technical word. It's called convergence. I taught on this two years ago. I suggest you get a hold of the message, because after I left, Hal told me, he said that was probably the best presentation you've ever done on it. And it was all on the patterns of convergence. And the patterns of convergence are everyone starts off with a sovereign beginning. You were born for this hour. Ironically, you were born in the gender you're in. Don't change it. You were born in the nationality you're in, in the skin color that you're in. Regret the fact that you're Italian, Polish, black, Asian, female, short, tall. Forget that sovereign beginning says, God picked the time, God picked the era. God picked the genetics. God picked all the factors that go into you. They were sovereign when you were born. Once those things are there, you end up having this spiritual formation happens. You met Jesus, you encountered God, you have various levels of exposure to spiritual truth. If what I did earlier pentecostally is kind of a little different. You liked it, but you know. Know what it is. Fine. This is like spiritual formation is a phase in terms of meeting Jesus, walking with Jesus, discovering who he is. Along with that comes gift, discovery and development. You start to discover what it is you really do well. And what you don't do well, you get feedback so that you start to realize, this is where I'm really. This is where I'm gifted to do. Then you have this phase called life maturing. You think you're gonna go into ministry, you think you're gonna be doing exploits for God, you think you're called to go, you got prophecy on it, it's even worse. You're agitated by the promise of great things and then you end up having to work for a living. You're not in ministry, nobody recognizes your great gifts. You write a book, nobody buys it. You, you know, you're starting YouTube channels, you got 12 subscribers and your mother in law's watching. Your wife gets pregnant, you gotta get a second job, she's gotta get a job. And now you're supporting both. You know, you got marriage problems, your parents are aged, you gotta take care of your dad and, and hope is drifting away. Life maturing is a big phase that comes before you hit like the convergence zone. You're in the zone right here. When your gifts, talents and acquired skills, you've been learning all through these processes, God's been doing something in you. You don't realize until you get to there. What's happening is you've been having an interesting experience. Your heart has been worked and tested in many ways. Your character's been going through formation. You're, you've been having certain specialized knowledge, whether you're a prophet or prophecy or Bible teacher, or whether you're someone with finances, works with money or works with investment, or works with entrepreneurial skills or works with training, or you're a speaker or a teacher. But you have certain knowledge, certain characteristics and certain skill sets, certain skills and abilities you've got that are the core faculty of what God gave you, hardwired into you to make you good at what you do. It could be empathy, you might even not notice. Like strengths finder came out years ago to show people your strengths might be in areas you don't even realize. Empathy is a gift. It's a hardwired supernatural, almost a supernatural thing where you can feel what other people feel. If you're in a profession like engineering, but you have a high empathy gift, you're in the wrong alignment, but yet God might have you doing the engineering thing because he's going to put you in charge of being a CEO or a manager over a whole lot of people at Tesla. And your main skill is being able to build team alignment, but you've got enough engineering knowledge to be able to qualify to be the manager over the alignment process. Process. So like Joseph, you're stuck in Egypt for a period of time. You're going through a life maturing experience and you're, you're learning a language that you don't even know why you're learning it, why are you learning Egyptian? You plan on going home, but God has you as a prisoner in another place because he's going to promote you in a place you didn't expect. Just like I said, praying in tongues at Trump Towers, going, what am I doing here, Lord? What the heck am I doing here? Every time you pray in tongues, you tell me this is what you want to do. What? Do this. I don't want to do this. Yes, you do. You really, really do. You just don't know it yet. So God's going to be expanding you. Oh, wait a second, wait a second. See that little square right there? That's where you are right now. But God's going to have to expand you in knowledge you do not have. He's going to expand your capacity in ways you don't. He's going to expand your endurance and character and self control in ways you haven't. And what does the Bible say? David said, thou has enlarged me in my distress. Oh, we want to be enlarged by the word of faith. Well, the word of faith takes in the Bible. The Bible says, thou hast enlarged me in my distress. God builds a muscle in you by stretching it. So you're going to have to stretch yourself. You're going to stretch yourself into doing. I remember forget one time I had to speak for a guy's program called Heart of the Samurais. Brian Clemmer, actually. Steve. Steve Hinn. Steve Wave over there. There's a brilliant guy, can help any of you entrepreneurs build your business if you want to want to talk to somebody. So his boss calls me in to go to a thing called Heart of the Samurai. These are going to be people paying like $5,000 for like a weekend event. And I was brought in as a special speaker that he's a Christian. He knew who I was and I was supposed to speak on, on purpose and destiny or something. But I was like really shook up because I was so steeped in preaching and teaching to Christians that to go over to a secular audience, I knew God was stretching me, but it was painful. A lot of people don't like. This is the reason why I keep getting involved with fun things because even though I'm older, I say yes to the new thing. And I'm totally prepared for the fact that I'm going to look stupid for a little while because here's what I've learned I've learned that before you reach that convergence zone, you're going to go through a stretching process in order to build the strength, skill, the knowledge and the ability to occupy that next level. God will enlarge in your distress. And if you're going to do it well, you have to start off by doing it poorly. Ego hates that someone who likes to shine over here, developing a new skill over here doesn't like looking like moderate and or bad at it. First time I did my presentation, they get ratings, no less. They're looking for level 10. You got. When you got speakers, but people are paying $5,000 for a weekend, you better have 10 speakers that are getting a score on 10. Well, here's the thing. For one thing, you can get a 10 on a message. If you have three or four messages you do your whole life and you got them polished right down to the timing. If you ever hear a great message, it's repeated. It's like a Broadway show. It's the same thing. I can't do the same thing. Even when I try to do it, it's like I'm just wired weird. I cannot do the same thing twice. Even though I'm doing the same subject. I can never quite figure out how I ended up there. So I get ratings 5, 6, 7. It was very painful for a man who's used to being a 10 to being told he's a 5. But what did I know? I knew the process. I knew that God had to enlarge me in my distress. And this is important for you. You're going to pray in tongues. You're going to pray yourself into places where you're going to say yes to an open door and an opportunity. And don't. Now, listen to me. Now why don't you say this? I am able by the spirit to do whatever God calls me to do. There you are. Remember that. Why? Because somebody is going to ask you, hey, can you do this? And in the natural, you know you can't. But remember right now, you just confessed you can. In the sight of God, you just said you can. So you say, yeah, I could do that. Now, you might be desperately depending on God to do it, but you'll do it. Obviously. Don't operate a forklift on this instruction, but I mean, you know.

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So you say yes. Why am I telling you this now? Because the ability to look foolish is the art of being successful. And as Christians, you have to be willing to make, to miss it in order to hit it. And if you, if you're playing it too cautiously, you're gonna slow down this beautiful process. All right, so convergence hits right here. Convergence is the place where you are. Watch this. Jesus prayed. Father, I, I, I. Father, I finished the work you gave me to do. Well, it's interesting. He lived a sinless life for 30 years. And so my question is gonna tie my shoe here. My question is, what was the work he had to do? Well, the work he had to do, and by the way, the work he had to do was consummated in his death, burial and resurrection. But how did Jesus define the work he had to do? It's right there in John 17. I finished the work you gave me to do. For the word that you gave me, I have given to them. His work was to replicate himself, no matter how much they got. His work was to replicate himself in the 11 that would survive the ordeal. He reproduced himself in them. That was the work. And then he's crowned it with his own death, burial and resurrection. So this here is the pattern. Remember that some of you might be in, in the, in the gift discovery and development stage. You might be in the life maturing stage, but your goal is to come into convergence for the work. The reason why I'm talking about the work is because some of you could be really good at doing what you're doing, and you're still not in the work God called you to do. That's that itch that's in you still to do something you haven't done yet. I'm not finished yet, God, I'm not done yet. So we go to Acts, chapter 13. I'll show you where that is in the Bible. Now, in the church that was in Antioch, there were certain prophets and teachers. Barnabas and Simeon, who's called Niger, and Lucius and Cyrene Manaean, who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, now separate me, Barnabas and Saul for the work. Think about this. Barnabas and Saul are evidently there were certain prophets and teachers. What were Barnabas and Saul? They were certain prophets and teachers. They were ministering. Saul was quite a handful. He was able to debate. He was already demonstrating the supernatural. He was already refuting. And becoming quite a stir. They decided the brethren had to send him off to get him out of town. He was, he was such a, a flashpoint of issue, of anxiety. The prophets and teachers that are there. But notice this separate to me, Barnabas and Saul for the work. What does that mean? That means that they were doing catch this very profound shift. They were doing the work God called them to do, but they were not yet in the work. That spoke to their convergence with their ultimate assignment. Convergence is when you step into a role that your whole life has been preparing you for. That is the ultimate, the ultimate assignment that you've been given for the work that you're called to do. And this, this corresponds to God has prepared your work before you, before you were born. Works for you to do so that you might step into them. Paul, separated to be an apostle from his mother's womb, was now separated to be the apostle. There was a gap between the time he was in his mother's womb and the time he was set apart. That was the preparation process. What I'm trying to tell you is a lot of you are doing the work God called you to do in preparation for the work God has ultimately got for you to do. Now, when that happens, two things are kind of noticeable that I saw that are interesting. First, they were prophets and teachers till they had hands laid on them. Look at what takes place and which I've called them. They fasted and prayed and laid hands and sent. They fasted and prayed and laid hands and sent. They fasted and prayed and laid hands and sin. This goes to my whole idea of this modality right here. And so dality something. I'm really preaching hard right now. If we're going to talk about the ecclesia, we better have a biblical revelation of what we're talking about. The ecclesia here is the local ecclesia. That's the modality. Where was it at Antioch? They gathered there, they fasted, they prayed, they had leadership, they had teaching, they had anointed, they had structure, they had a glass, they had a location, they had a geography. They had proximity. They even knew who labored among them and who was over them in the Lord. And this group of leaders felt led by the Lord to fast and pray and seek a ministry to Jesus. And while they're doing that, the Holy Ghost says, which means prophecy hit, hey, set apart Barnabas and Saul for the work. They isolate them. God's got something for you right now. We got to pray for. They go fast and pray, then boom, hands are on them and they start prophesying over them and releasing to them what the divine upgrade in this modality. They are now going to go out as an apostolic sodali. They are the ecclesiastic going out to plant the church in other places. You see what? The modality releases a sodality. I'm giving you language now because this doctrine will be fought ferociously because the devil hates it. You know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about where are the gates of hell located? The gates of hell are in government. If you don't believe it, just read the news. The gates of hell are also operating over the education system. Donald Trump's declaring war on the mountain of education. Why? Because the education principality is propagandizing your sons and daughters and poisoning them and turn them into little Marxist feminists, boys and girls. But then you got fake news media focusing on what? It didn't focus on $3 billion worth of damage done by rioters over a period of three months. It didn't focus on 30 policemen put into the hospital. It didn't focus on three precincts burnt down to the ground. It focused on January 6, protesters walking in the Capitol doing selfies. Media propaganda, fake news government. We'll find out when the FBI and the CIA is exposed over Martin Luther King and RFK and JFK whether our own government was complicit in the killing of its enemies. And news flash, Trump's the perfect guy to have an office to declare war on the establishment. No wonder they tried to kill him and lock him up for 700 years. The gates of hell set up shop over these areas while the church operated over here. Never understanding. I will build my church and the gates. If the church isn't in proximity to the gates of hell, it cannot challenge them. Got your entertainment and arts, your stupid goofy cartoons. Where right now from Nickelodeon all the way to the, you know, got SpongeBob SquarePants all the way down. You have to have a trans character and a gay character to show what a family. And they all have to sing. We're all happy going two by two. And there's two guys and two girls and somebody who looks like a guy that became a girl and a girl that became a guy. And your little kids are getting brainwashed by the age of singing along. Welcome to the new world of Nickelodeon. Trump just went as a gift of God. He just went to hell with all that. Bam. Couldn't have done it without the praying Holy Ghost Church. Couldn't have done it without the activist church base. Could have done it without the 50 of the Christians that went out there, many of them without the church behind them. But they were the ecclesia in the marketplace. They were a sodality they did it as Turning Point. They did it as courage tours. They did it as, as war room. They did it. They did it as the entities that went out and waged war on the campuses and on TikTok and on social media and shifted 35% of the youth vote a direction nobody saw coming. And I said, weird isn't it that God has to raise up voices like Tucker Carlson and Elon Musk. What's strange about this Steve Bannon on his third marriage, third divorce actually rough brass knuckle warriors in the trenches that don't know Jesus but somehow God apprehended them and said he went into Satan's trophy case, smashed the glass and pulled them out and said they're on my team now. Go to Wall street, the corporate boardrooms with our DEI mandatory. You have to have so many queers, so many gays, so many lesbians, so many minorities on your board. The devil mandating his religion on the top of every mountain. And Christians just sat and watched the devil mandate and force another theology on the mountains and just watched it until God answered our desperate prayers and raised up a wrecking ball. Bam bam bam bam bam. Trump comes along. Some of you still don't like. You never realize what God did. Now here we are. What I'm telling you is nobody has authority to really take down the gates of hell unless it's called the ecclesia. Now I'm wrestling with this. To what degree will this be permanent or temporary? Depends on whether or not the sleeping church wakes up. There's your great awakening. And to wake up you have to look at. Now remember, I promise you I'm going to give you models. If you got a model that you could draw on a napkin, it increases your IQ 10 to 15 points. These are patterns. And when you have pattern recognition you can predict what's happening next. You can predict where things are going. So I'm giving you, I'm giving you the IQ upgrade. As a spiritually discerning people, you will go into situations where your knowledge will be tested. Your skills are inadequate. Your patience, your long suffering, your love, your gentleness, your self control, your confidence will be lacking. Tough stretch expand to your whole capacity and you say but it's very painful Lance. God has enlarged me in my distress and no amount of laying on a hands and prophecies is going to make it any easier. One time I was going through worst battle of my life on my knees. God, how could you let this happen? Worst verse to open up to Timothy. Endure a hardness as a Good soldier of Jesus Christ. I thought, man, what kind of a dad are you? I'm making a little warrior out of you. It's gonna be fine. I'm gonna take care of you. Watch. I'm gonna take care. Don't worry about it. It. Don't worry about it. Endure hardness. You're a good soldier, aren't you? Oh, I hate this. I know, it's tough. Eat your Wheaties, which is a joke because wheat is probably the worst thing you could eat. All right, so what I want you to see is these gates of hell. So what has to happen is the church has to go there. What I'm trying to plead with you about is let's go take that government mountain and let's say it's in Tucson. Let's, let's break it down. Doesn't have to be national. It doesn't have to be Hollywood, Wall Street. That's just the big picture. You got a Tucson, you got your own government here. You got your own education here. I just ran into, you know, the, the president of a Colorado university. So you got your own education. Mountains out here in, in Arizona and in Nevada, etc. What I'm suggesting you do is this is the government mountain here. So here we got a gate. So take Daniel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. So the four of them are together in a house. I could take you there in scripture, Daniel chapter two to show you that Daniel has a house and he's meeting with his ecclesia in Babylon and of all places, Babylon I'm talking about. Babylon is like the judgment of God on the Jews. They should. He shouldn't even be there. But while he's in Babylon, he's got a house with a prayer meeting. The reason I'm sharing this with you is because I said to the Lord, oh God, is it time for the ecclesia to go into the mountains? Because if Trump goes in there and we have a reformation, if we don't have Christians going to those mountains as an ecclesia to go up against the gates of hell, it will be a short term phenomena.

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Lord said, I'll show you a micro church. In the book of Daniel, Daniel goes in Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and they got threatened by Nebuchadnezzar with death if they didn't interpret his dream. Give him the dream and interpret it. Daniel gets a vision in the night. He's operating All Pentecostal in the Old Testament. Now, remember this. The old covenant is based on inferior promises. You have a better covenant with better promises. That means anything you see in the Old Testament is assumed to be possible in the New Testament. Don't make the Old Testament. It's weird. The Old Testament has greater manifestations. Red Sea party, all, you know, plagues. Well, buckle up, buttercup. It's all covered in the New Testament because you have a better covenant based on better promises. So Daniel and his companions, they seek mercies of the God of heaven. And God visits Daniel in the night with a vision. He sees. He goes into Nebuchadnezzar's dream life, floats right into Nebuchadnezzar's dream, sees the dream comes out and says, I got it. Next day goes for another. Don't kill all the wise men of Babylon. Don't kill all those soothsayers and all these people you got on your payroll. I got the interpretation. And you can tell me the dream too, right? Yeah, I'll tell you the dream and interpretation. Well, let's hear it. Well, you had this dream. I saw this image coming up there. And it was the crown of gold. And there was four successive empires. And you're the crown of gold king. Here's what's going to happen. After there's going to be this one, then there's going to be this one. King was flabbergasted. Nebuchadnezzar freaked out because God had revealed. Suddenly, Daniel gets promoted and read what it says to the king's gate. And he requests his three companions to go with him in his new role in the administration. The four of them got an upgrade in the crises to the gate. Look for the pattern people. These things are written with beautiful detail for the day in which you're alive. Right now there's a gate on top of every one of these mountains. I love my job because I get to meet with the gatekeepers. Oh, yes. I'm in a new position. I get to meet with all the gatekeepers. Now, my challenge now is I'm praying in the Holy Ghost. What am I supposed to do? Because just having access is one thing, but what's God's agenda? Here's what I want to know. In the sodality mode, what we need to have is we need to have a bunch of you, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednegos and Daniel, identifying yourselves by what sphere you're assigned to. What is the sphere that you are assigned to? Wherever you are, if you're on A campus in university. Now gather together with some people, pray and ask God what to do. Are we making sense so far? And how are you going to get. How are you going to meet these people? You're going to pray in the Holy Ghost and God's going to give you the Mr. Magoo anointing. You will bump into them. You will just discover them. Why? Because God gets all the credit. Ever notice how when God has a testimony in your life, it's. You love to tell it because it involves you. But the glory goes to God because it doesn't show how smart you were. It shows how sovereign he was. All great testimonies. Are you having a problem? And God showing up in a surprising way and fixed it. God gets the glory operating in the unpredictable margin. So all you control freaks, life is still tough in the glory realm because you'll do everything you can and it's insufficient. And God has to show up. So here we go. I'm saying these guys are a model. That people can operate by the gifts of the spirit. In a pro. In a small prayer meeting in a house church hidden away in Babylon. And they weren't advertising the meeting. It wouldn't have been smart. Hi, We're Jews gathering together. We're like insurrectionists right here in Babylon. Matter of fact, we're praying to go back to our hometown. Praying for the downfall of you. We got 70 years here according to Isaiah. Isaiah, 120 years before we got dispersed. Cyrus is going to be coming from a bird of prey for me. We're waiting for a guy named Cyrus. Oh, look at that. There's a guy named Cyrus rising up in the east. Keep your head down. They even saw the news before it happened because they had prophecy telling them who was coming. Daniel was the intercessor who was praying in government. Talk about Christians in politics. How dumb can we be? The same Baptist churches talking against Christians getting involved with politics are preaching out of the book of Daniel. The story of a prophet politician in Babylon. The primary advisor to three separate heathen administrations. See how religious spirit can make you stupid? So God can put you into Hollywood. God can put you into the New York Times. God can put you into Wall Street. God. But locally in Tucson, pray in the Holy Ghost till you find two or three other people. And here's a rule for you. If you do not have an ecclesia within an assignment that you've got in banking or in business. I'm talking about you're. You're not like floating through like a college student's there for a couple years and they go do something else. If you've got already you're up the mountain. Meaning once you start ascending a mountain, you move from being a beginner into being an in betweener, into being sphere leadership, moving towards the top. As you're moving from here to here, you're not really bouncing around the mountain right now, you're going up. So if you don't have an ecclesia, you got your wife praying for you. Hey, some of the most powerful billionaires I know have holy ghost Pentecostal wife prayer meetings. They're praying for their husbands all the time. But what makes them strong is when they find two or three in their office they could be in covenant with. Because now you got the ecclesia on the inside, not just on the outside. And remember, you're going to be going up against the gates of hell. So this gate right here is called the strong man's house. The strong man's house. How else is Trump going to take care of the Department of Justice and the corrupt FBI unless he puts Pam Bondi and Cash Patel into those gates? I mean we're watching it happen and missing it. Not enough to pray about the strong man's house. How will you bind him? Lest you except you go in and except you first bind him, how are you going to get. So you have a prayer warfare that goes into setting up the binding of the straw man so that what, he can't keep you from getting into his house. Once you get in the house, you plunder it. You take everything that he's been putting under lock and key and you unlock it for the glory of God. Just telling you how the system works. This is the strong man's house. God wants to move his people to the the gate is the house of the strong man. It's just metaphors. It's the seating of influence. Heaven and earth cannot operate without agreement. So the devil has to have people agreeing with him. And the problem is God has to have people agreeing with him because God can't have you moving up into the system where the gates of hell are located unless you're in agreement with him taking you there. What we want to see is an ecclesia at all levels of these mountains. We want to see small groups of believers coming together, praying for God to give them authority over that area of entertainment or locally you're in the media. And if the media doesn't honor God or if the media is corrupt, listen to me, Reformation happens this way. First, God is so nice, he goes to the people that need to repent, they get the opportunity first because God's nice. Hey, you need to change what you're doing. Then he starts challenging. You're not reporting the news. This is fake news. This isn't real news. This is fake. You're lying, and you're lying. You really shouldn't lie. There's a patient period of time where God's like. Like, lord, when I'm gonna do something? Next thing you know, he reached a point with CNN when Zucker, boom, he's out and he's exposed, too. Then producers start getting exposed. When you start seeing those exposings of God, it's likely somebody's resisting the will of God. Now what happens next is rumble pops up. Getter pops up. Gab pops up. True social pops up. But then the big kahuna comes along. The whale comes in. Elon Musk. I just think I'll buy Twitter. Boom, pops up. Zuckerberg. I think I'll go down and meet with Donald Trump. Kiss the ring. Better get rid of this DEI stuff. I want to be on his team. Dangerous being against Trump. Amen. Okay, go be Lords of big tech. Show up Bill Gates. Better go meet with him. Google better go meet with him. All sitting next to him. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Like a scene out of the Godfather. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Donald Trump puts his arm around him. Boys, we've had our differences in the past. Like when you stole elections from me. That's all in the past. Now, you don't want the government messing with you, do you? No, of course not. All right, I want something big China can't have. So he's going to make him do something for him that'll make America something that China can't have. Because that's how Trump thinks he's totally. This is his company, and he wants his company to have a distinct advantage over every other competitor. Perfect guy to have an office right now. He's obsessed 24 hours a day. I was trying to read tweets to my wife while we're traveling. She thought I was quoting the Babylon Bee. I'm saying, no, this is from Trump. She goes, what? Yeah, he's. He's renaming the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. He's really irritated that we sold the Panama Canal. He wants to go take it back. And he's discussing with Canada becoming the 51st state because he's got his eye on taking over Greenland. She goes, you've got. She's laughing because. You got to be kidding. I go. No. If you leave the guy alone for a couple of days, this is what he comes up with.

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But you see this. So we have. We affected this. I want you to know. We removed the million fake votes. We got the youth vote in the camps. We worked the ground game. It was the Christians, it was the Grundoons, it's the uncle celebrated. We did it. You did it. You showed up. You didn't back down, no matter what bombardment you had for four years. Bombardment. You just kept saying, I don't think so. I don't know. No matter all the propaganda, somehow you kind of, like, shook it off and didn't let it get to you. You all had a role in this. So I'm telling you the next phase is, I believe, the model spiritual beginning. This is for your children. This is for you. Sovereign beginnings. Make peace with your period of history you were born to be the age. I'm like 68 years old right now. I want to be a young man. I'm the perfect age. I'm supposed to be in 2025. This is my destiny. I gotta, for me, set apart Barnabas and salt for the work. I'm telling you, there's a convergence moment. Many of you are doing what God called you to do, but you have not yet been set apart to your ultimate assignment. When you get your ultimate assignment, you go from being the prophets and teachers to an upgrade in name. Oh, it's the apostles. Paul, look at this, the next chapter. They're not. They're not prophet teachers. They're apostles. When you hit convergence, you step into your ultimate rank and authority in the kingdom. You qualified for the crown of your authority. Now hold fast your crown. Let someone else take it. Many of you are still wrestling and racing for the crown. You're being faithful where you are, but I want you to keep running with your eye upon the prize. There's a convergence moment coming for you. You. When you're set apart to do the thing you were born to do, right now, you're in the stretch zone. Don't despise the day of small beginnings. Be faithful in season and out of season. I'll tell you, the people that are actually going to go somewhere are people that are toiling on, developing every opportunity they've got. They're stretching their knowledge. They're reading, they're probing, they're understanding. They're keeping their heart in tension with God. Those kinds of people are people that are waiting for the baton to get handed to them to run. So the second thing is, is not only an office change, but an authority adjustment. It says prophets and teachers. Saul and Barnabas. Flip it around. Within another chapter, the apostles, Paul and Barbara's Saul had a name change and a positional adjustment. He went from being the second guy on the team to the team leader. Convergence for him was to be an apostle. Leading. The process was to work until the moment came when God qualified him to be the lead man on the team instead of the associate. And if you can't serve someone else's vision, who's going to give you your own? If you've now tell us. I have a group of 50 business people paid $25,000 to be in a mastermind, which we do three trips a year, two days and a monthly zoom call talking to them. It's an interesting thing. It's called Mach 10. It's a program I do with Ed Rush, who's a fighter Pilot, business builder. 25,000 a piece. It's a lot of money. But I'll tell you what I tell them. You guys. Some of you have a hard time with your entrepreneurial vision. You've got visions. We're going to help you break your first million, your first 2 million. But I'm having a hard time. You know why? You never served anyone else's vision. So you violated a fundamental principle in the Bible, which is till you've been faithful and unselfishly helping someone else succeed, what makes you think God's gonna get you success? See, you've worked and volunteered in the children's church, in the prayer room, or over something, a building, fun. Something you don't even want to do. It's not a miracle. But God says, hey, unless you've helped to make someone else successful, who's gonna go to work for you? There's something about that philosophy that puts an anointing on you. I lead an organization of 120 individuals of significant wealth. Another organization different than the one I just talked about. The first meeting I went to, I was brought in as a subject matter expert on seven mountains. All these CEOs were interested in my theory on the seven mountains. Well, I was just so excited, I sat down and gave them my seven mountain theory. Then when I was done, I got a tap on the shoulder. Nurse Ratchet, one of the staff members, says to me, come here. You go back to your room after you present you're not to be. You're not to be in the midst of these people because they're all worried that we're going to hit these people up for money. They're all like multi wealth millionaires and billionaires. I wasn't there for them around millionaires and billionaires my whole life. I don't. I don't go after money. If I went for money, I would have stayed in Babylon. I'm after the call of God. So I said, well, I'm not asking anyone. She goes, sir, do I have to ask the police to escort you to your room? I've never been so scolded in my life. I mean, even in church circles, I'm esteemed, very highlands. I got security walking me around, paparazzi trying to think. I go to that meeting and I'm treated like I'm some kind of a scumbag has got to be disciplined. I go back to my hotel room, I go, I can't believe it. I just got kicked out of a meeting. I was so happy to just take notes and be amongst them, listen to what they're. I just. They asked me to come teach them. And I was so hurt and so angry that I was treated so despicably. And I felt like the Lord just said, when in doubt, just serve. Charge it to my account. Charge it to my account. Did I call you to do this? Yeah. Then it's okay. Sir, remember this. Remember this quote? When in doubt, just serve. Because now I'm the executive director of the organization that woman kicked me out of. Now, God could have come to me and said, by the way, you're going to be leading this whole group and that lady's going to have a. Have a, you know, a spasm when she sees you. Because the one she kicked out is actually going to be the one that's her boss. But the Lord didn't tell me that. You know why he was working on Lance's little heart over here. How's your attitude there, son? How you holding up? When they treat you like that, you still think a little more highly of yourself than you ought to think. Hey, anytime people could just step on you, you're still gonna love me and serve me. You're still gonna love them and serve them even when they do it to you. Yes, Lord. Okay, he didn't tell me in seven years we'd be running that organization. But that. What I'm telling you is this. I'm telling you this stuff from history. Now, this is the pattern. Where are you gotta pray in the Holy Ghost and walk around. I was gonna tell you this. My friends in banking and my other friends. I got one guy in Abu Dhabi, other guy in Dubai, got. I got friends of mine around the world. Lance, I love the ecclesia idea, but I'm in a Muslim country and I have to be very careful how I'm doing this. Indeed, it's not all right here in Pennsylvania or Tucson or Florida out there in Middle east or in communist China and these other countries, this thing still works. Here's how you do it. You must pray in the Holy Ghost, my friend, because if there's no Christians in your organization, pray for God to lead you to who will accept Jesus. Now, I'm telling you a secret. If on your campus, in your school, in your area, you don't know where the Christians are, you can't find any that'll join you at this. Or they're just. They're kind of like lukewarm Christians and they're not really going to go for taking the mountain for Jesus. You might have to lead them to Jesus. You know what I found out? This is a great mystery. Every time someone has said, I need to have a prayer group in my mountain, if there's no Christians there, God gives them two people, they lead to Jesus. Jesus, I can't tell you how this is, but there are two there. God will give you what you need because he is so wanting a church in the workplace that he'll give you an advantage tonight, even when you're not an evangelist. Remember I said that? Because you're going to be sitting across somebody else and these words are going to come back. Oh, maybe I'm supposed to witness this guy. And it's so easy when it's like ripe fruit. 1. Once you start, just have a book ready, have a tape, have something. Now I want you to listen to this. Kind of interesting. I mean, you think about it. Because God will give you your two or three because he wants you to. He doesn't want you to do it alone. The work God wants you to enter into the work. The convert ultimate convergence is when your gifts, talents and acquired skills have reached a place where you step into your ultimate office and your ultimate authority. And then you're going to be given your ultimate geography. And geography changes. But you know, these people that, that want to have a world impact and world ministry, I suggest to. Even people that have world ministries don't really. They have an office in South Africa and in London and in the Philippines. It's not everywhere, you know, why? Because God has certain harvest and territory for you. And how do you know who your harvest is? I had a harvest for a period of time, was one type of person. Then I have a harvest, which is another. Now I'm running into weird things. I'm running into a whole different kind of harvest coming to me. You know, the harvest that God has for you by who comes to you to solve a problem. Observe closely what people come to you for and what they ask for. It's your gift that God is trying to reveal to you. What do people come to you for? What do they ask you for? And once I start having business people and film people and other people and political calling me up, I realize, man, now I know what the Bible says. When it says a rich man has many friends. It's like, wink, wink, wink. That means that when you've got something people want, everybody likes you. They weren't there when you had nothing, but they show up when you got something. And so how do I know who to talk to, Lord? Well, the Lord says you could. So Jesus is preaching in Jerusalem. How does he know his assignment is over? How does he know the time of his departure is at hand? How does he know with confirmation, I'm dying this year, remember, he has to walk by faith, just. But like you, he has to live one day at a time, just like he taught you. And otherwise he's dealing with this. This. This thought of that ultimate sacrifice that could be a heavy thing to have on your head your whole life. But he put it off till he had to deal with it. Every day he's walking in that airtight compartment with the Father. Now he's coming close. Now his spirit gets troubled. What troubled his spirit? He knew it was time. Father, the time has come. Glorify the Son, that the Son may glorify thee. How did he know the time had come? The disciples came to him and said, master, the Greeks want to meet with you. Your message is so hot, it's now getting into Europe. Jesus looked at them and said, the Greeks, huh? Except the great we falls in the earth and dies, it abides alone. But if it dies, it brings forth much fruit. And now is my soul troubled. What do I say, Father, deliver me. Deliver me from this hour. No, no. This is the hour for which I was born. I came to the earth for this hour rather, Father, glorify your name with what's going to happen next. Then a voice came. I have both glorified it, and I will glorify it again. And Jesus says, that didn't come for me. That came for your sake. You'll remember that later. Because he could hear it on the inside. He didn't. He didn't need an audible. He could hear it. Man, it's a lot of juice in those verses. Interpretation if the Greeks are coming to me, I guess I've saturated my market. I was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. I wasn't sent to the Greeks. I'm not going to talk to the Greeks. You know who's going to talk to the Greeks? You boys are going to talk to the Greeks because you're going to go to the ends of the world with my message. My job is to stop right at the borders of Israel and die for them. You'll take it to the world. I'm going to be faithful with my assignment. If Jesus could be faithful with Israel and not Rome and not Greece, then I guess you could be faithful standing before the Father with whatever humble assignment you've got. 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