FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU – SEPTEMBER 28, 2025

Real America’s Voice Podcast | Host: Lance Wallnau | Date: September 27, 2025

Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode of "Firewall with Lance Wallnau," on Real America’s Voice, centers on the assassination of Charlie Kirk—a leading conservative activist—and its profound impact on American political discourse, Christian witness, and the culture at large. Lance Wallnau, joined by co-host Erica Kirk, navigates recent events, prophetic insights, the mainstream media’s portrayal of the right, and, most importantly, reflections from Charlie Kirk’s memorial service. Drawing from personal anecdotes, guest speakers at the memorial, and reactions from public figures, the conversation embodies themes of forgiveness, unity, the danger of dehumanization, and the transformative power of faith.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Challenge of Transforming Political Rallies Into Spiritual Revivals (01:09–05:29)

• Turning Point’s ambitions: Lance discusses ongoing efforts, in partnership with figures like Charlie Kirk and Mario Bramnick, to bring spiritual revival into the political sphere, specifically within the charged environment of Trump rallies.
• Prophetic context: He references Kim Clement’s prophecies about division and national turning points, emphasizing that widespread bitterness and corruption are not new—nor is God’s call to repentance and unity.
• Notable Quote:
  “Wouldn't that be great? Because Trump...is anointed by God and called by God through answer to the prayer of God's people. According to Isaiah 45, he's a modern day Cyrus for the sake of nations.”
  – Lance Wallnau (01:46)

2. Media Misrepresentation and Stereotype Formation (05:29–13:18)

• The ‘Echo Chamber’ Effect: Lance draws parallels between how the right views figures like Democrat activist David Hogg, and how the left likewise perceives Charlie Kirk—each side possessing stereotypes fueled by media narratives.
• Personal Experience at Harvard: Wallnau shares a harrowing but redemptive story of speaking at Harvard despite threats and encountering those who had misunderstood or demonized him. The episode underscores the necessity for Christians to engage directly with those who disagree, in order to break down stereotypes.
• Apologetics in the Public Square: The hosts stress the importance of Christians providing "a reason for the hope that is in you," defending beliefs logically and graciously.
• Notable Quote:
  “The stereotype that Satan has created regarding who you are and what you represent can only be shadowed by proximity and exposure to the authentic and the real thing.”
  – Lance Wallnau (08:32)

3. Reaction to the Jimmy Kimmel Controversy & Media Responsibility (14:22–24:04)

• Kimmel’s Punishment and Media Ethics: The hosts criticize Jimmy Kimmel for spreading disinformation regarding Charlie Kirk’s death, using the incident to illustrate the perils of unchecked media bias and the resulting increase in polarization and violence.
• Commercial, Legal, and Ethical Considerations: Discussion of Disney’s decision to pull Kimmel after sponsor backlash, reflecting on the broader media environment and the responsibilities that come with a government-granted broadcasting license.
• Notable Quotes:
  “We're dealing with mass stereotype psychosis. They have draped one half of the United States in the language of Nazi fascists, Christian nationalists...”
  – Lance Wallnau (14:25)
  “You could sway people. And I don't think you should as an entertainer.”
  – Robert Kennedy Jr., quoting a classic Mike Wallace interview (24:01)

4. Cycle of Dehumanization and Response to Violence (24:11–29:26)

• Security & Radicalization: Erica Kirk describes the personal and familial anxiety that comes with being outspoken on Christian and conservative issues in an era of targeted violence, especially after Charlie Kirk’s death.
• Dehumanization Dangers: The conversation highlights historical and philosophical perspectives on how 'othering' opponents as less-than-human paves the way for violence—drawing a direct connection from Nazi-era propaganda to current political rhetoric.
• Christian Response: Emphasis on maintaining an “I–Thou” relationship (borrowing from Martin Buber), treating all—even adversaries—as bearing the image of God.
• Notable Quote:
  “That’s the dangerous slope... to dehumanize... because you can kill the fascists because they're not human. They're a vermin. And that's the dangerous slope that, you know, I believe when a carving down the middle, the Christian worldview says I am related to you as made in the image of God.”
  – Lance Wallnau (27:05)

5. Reflections from the Memorial: Revival in Tragedy (29:26–44:39)

• Memorial as Spiritual Catalyst: Both hosts describe how Charlie Kirk’s memorial served as a national revival moment, with powerful testimonies from unexpected and diverse voices.
• Tucker Carlson: He shares the sense of a tangible presence of God at the memorial, noting its revival-like atmosphere and the emergence of hope and forgiveness in the face of hate.
  • “Any attempt to extinguish the light causes it to burn brighter every single time.”
    – Tucker Carlson (36:24)
• Marco Rubio: Delivers a heartfelt Christian gospel message, reminding listeners of the hope and reunion promised in Christ.
• Rob McCoy: Emphasizes that politics is an “on ramp to Jesus;” that engaging in social issues from a place of faith ultimately points people to Christ.
  • “Charlie looked at politics as an on ramp to Jesus. He knew if he could get all of you rowing in the streams of liberty, you'd come to its source. And that's the Lord.”
    – Rob McCoy, quoted by Lance (40:00)
• Robert Kennedy Jr.: Offers a perspective on courage and meaning, saying:
  • “There's a lot worse things than death. And one of those things is if we lost our constitutional rights in this country and that our children were raised as slaves... sometimes the best consolation we can hope for is that we get to die with our boots on. Well, Charlie died with his boots on.”
    – Robert Kennedy Jr. (43:13)

6. The Power and Necessity of Forgiveness (47:29–48:39)

• Erica Kirk’s Public Forgiveness: At the heart of the memorial (and the episode) is Erica Kirk’s moving act of forgiveness toward the man who killed her husband, echoing the words of Christ on the cross.
  • “Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man, that young man, I forgive him.”
    – Erica Kirk (47:29)

7. Leadership, Reconciliation, and Honest Reflection (48:39–52:05)

• Calls for Political and Personal Reconciliation: Includes a montage showing Donald Trump reconciling with others, and his unfiltered response to the notion of forgiveness.
  • “I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group, and maybe they can convince me that they—that's not right. But I can't stand my opponent. Charlie's angry, looking down, he's angry at me.”
    – Donald Trump (50:58)
• Reflections by Hosts: Erica Kirk observes that even in Trump’s resistance to forgiveness, there may be evidence of the Holy Spirit working in real time, nudging him toward a better way.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (Chronological with Timestamps)

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote or Moment | |------------|----------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:46 | Lance Wallnau | “Trump... is anointed by God... a modern day Cyrus for the sake of nations.” | | 03:55 | Kim Clement | “God was so grieved because this was not just believers, unbelievers, these were believers as well… This will literally be the turning point in American history.” | | 08:32 | Lance Wallnau | “The stereotype that Satan has created... can only be shadowed by proximity and exposure to the authentic and the real thing.”| | 14:25 | Lance Wallnau | “We're dealing with mass stereotype psychosis... draped one half of the United States in the language of Nazi fascists...” | | 24:01 | Robert Kennedy Jr. | “You could sway people. And I don't think you should as an entertainer.” | | 27:05 | Lance Wallnau | “The danger… is to dehumanize… because you can kill the fascists because they're not human… That's the dangerous slope…” | | 36:24 | Tucker Carlson | “Any attempt to extinguish the light causes it to burn brighter every single time.” | | 40:00 | Rob McCoy* | “Charlie looked at politics as an on ramp to Jesus… you'd come to its source. And that's the Lord.” | | 43:13 | Robert Kennedy Jr. | “There's a lot worse things than death. And one of those things is if we lost our constitutional rights... sometimes the best consolation... die with our boots on.”| | 47:29 | Erica Kirk | “Father, forgive them for they not know what they do... I forgive him.” | | 50:58 | Donald Trump | “I'm sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group... Maybe they can convince me that they—that's not right.”|

*Quoted by Lance Wallnau.

Important Timestamps

• 01:09 – Initiation of the segment about blending faith and politics, Kim Clement prophecy.
• 05:29 – Personal experiences on university campuses, dangers of misrepresentation.
• 14:22 – Kimmel controversy and the perils of media bubbles.
• 24:11 – Real-world safety fears and philosophical dangers of dehumanization.
• 29:26 – Transition into the memorial service coverage, a revival moment.
• 35:26 – Tucker Carlson’s memorial remarks.
• 37:38 – Marco Rubio’s gospel message.
• 43:13 – Robert Kennedy Jr. on facing the risk of death for a cause.
• 47:29 – Erica Kirk’s public act of forgiveness.
• 50:58 – Donald Trump’s honest (if unrepentant) remarks on forgiveness.

Episode Tone & Style

The episode is reflective, impassioned, and unwaveringly direct. Lance Wallnau’s tone is bold, spiritual, and prophetic; Erica Kirk balances with personal vulnerability and practical insight. They quote Scripture, reference history and theology, and do not shy from naming both political and spiritual adversaries. The memorial moments are deeply reverent, marked by calls to courage, forgiveness, and unity across divides.

Summary for First-Time Listeners

This episode of "Firewall with Lance Wallnau" offers an emotionally-laden, in-depth exploration of the cultural, spiritual, and personal reverberations following Charlie Kirk’s assassination. Through vivid storytelling, prophetic reflection, and analysis of the ensuing memorial service—a true “revival moment”—the hosts urge listeners to rise above politicized hatred, embrace courageous engagement, defend the faith, and, most radically, forgive even the worst of enemies. Featuring raw responses from both household political figures and grieving friends, the episode is a panoramic look at grief, hope, and the path forward for America’s fractured public square.