FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU - SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2025

Summary

FIREWALL WITH LANCE WALLNAU – September 7, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice | Host: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of Firewall with Lance Wallnau dives deep into trending political misinformation, global alliances shaping up against the US, the evolving makeup of the MAGA base, contentious debates over COVID vaccines, and the pivotal role of support for Israel in right-wing politics. Lance Wallnau brings his candid style to analyze the week's viral news, notably the trending (and false) rumors about Donald Trump's death, then pivots to international power shifts, the significance of recent voter registration data, and the internal fractures within the right due to divergent stances on Israel.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Social Media Misinformation and Viral "Trump Is Dead" Rumor

• Lance shares his personal anxiety from a late-night visit to X (formerly Twitter), where "Trump is dead" was trending despite no news outlets confirming it.
  • "All the headlines there are going to Trump death, Trump, you know what happened to Trump? And I thought, my God. Then I right away go to the other news sources, there's nothing." (Lance, 01:08)
• Fake news’ emotional impact: Lance articulates how repeated exposure to false, agenda-driven content causes real anxiety and confusion.
  • "It accomplishes demonic purpose of creating an anxiety rush in me like Trump is dead." (04:13)

2. Conspiracy Theories on Both Sides

• Discussion of Biden rumors: Lance critiques his own movement’s susceptibility to conspiracy theories — including Biden "body doubles" and outlandish rumors about the White House.
  • "My audience... We thought Biden was a body double. I had people... telling me... a lizard person has taken Biden’s body over." (05:04)
• Self-awareness & satire: The hosts mock how, regardless of politics, people on all sides invent narratives when faced with uncertainty.

3. Global Alliances: BRICS, Modi, Xi, and Putin

• Focus on India’s growing alignment with Russia and China:
  • Trump’s social media post on trade imbalances with India is dissected.
  • China/India/Russia economic axis: Lance warns of geopolitical realignments that could severely threaten the US dollar’s primacy.
  • "China and India, the future, what are they?... If they ever decide that they're all closing ranks against a weak and vulnerable American dollar... that's the day all the wind goes out of that, that beautiful rising, you know, thing called making America great." (07:47)
• Religious angle: Wallnau ties America’s foreign policy and protection to its relationship with Israel, warning of spiritual consequence if the US turns its back on the Jewish state.

4. The COVID Vaccine Debate and Trump's Dilemma

• Bobby Kennedy Jr. and Vaccine Skepticism: Clips and stats presented from RFK Jr. highlight massive vaccine skepticism — citing data that 25% of Americans believe someone they know died due to the vaccine.
  • "If you look at the Pfizer vaccine, there were 22,000 people in the placebo group... The people who got the vaccine had a 23% higher death rate from all causes." (20:10)
  • Lance expresses empathy for Trump, who is portrayed as both proud of Operation Warp Speed and increasingly aware of skepticism in the base.
  • "[Trump] is distancing himself. He's about to say, you know, if the facts are what you're saying, it's not my fault. They lied to me. They gave me bad data." (21:14)
• Collective memory and division: The episode recalls the panic, social shaming, and government mandates during COVID, referencing enduring divisions in the MAGA base over vaccine issues.

5. Political Trends: Voter Registration Shifts

• Data-driven optimism for Republicans: Panel discusses major shifts in party registration — Democrats have lost 2.1 million voters while Republicans have gained 2.4 million in tracked states.
  • "All together, Democrats have lost 2.1 million voters. Republicans have gained 2.4 million. That’s a deficit... of 4.5 million voters." (30:28)
  • Lance highlights that moderate Democrats are crossing over in key swing states, using CNN data as confirmation (36:02).
• Warning against complacency: Despite strong indicators, Lance soberly reminds listeners that American politics is volatile and urges continued activism — especially approaching the next midterms.

6. Fragmentation Within MAGA: The Israel Question

• Breakdown of the MAGA coalition: Wallnau maps out four main camps within the movement:
  • Libertarians: (e.g., Tucker Carlson, RFK Jr., Elon Musk, Rand Paul)
  • Economic Populists: (e.g., Steve Bannon)
  • Social Conservatives: (evangelicals, Charlie Kirk, Paula White)
  • Establishment Republicans: (e.g., Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz)
• Internal division: The sharpest split is over attitudes toward Israel.
  • "The only thing that we really could go to war over in our own party is the religious issue... specifically the Jewish state and God's plans for Israel." (45:00)
  • Marjorie Taylor Greene cited as a test case — straddling multiple subsections but problematic for her anti-Israel stance.
• Biggest threat: Lance warns that emerging younger Republican leaders (J.D. Vance, Don Jr., Elon Musk, etc.) may lack the theological or ideological commitment to Israel and could "make a big mistake."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On social media-induced anxiety & fake news:
  "It accomplishes demonic purpose of creating an anxiety rush in me like Trump is dead."
  — Lance Wallnau (04:13)

• On Trump's response to death rumor:
  "No, I was very active actually over the weekend. I didn't hear that one. That's pretty serious. Well, it's fake news. You know, it's just so — it's so fake. That's why the media has so little credibility."
  — Donald Trump (02:56)

• On movement conspiracies:
  "Are they serious? A lizard person? What in the world are we talking about?"
  — Lance Wallnau (05:02)

• On global realignment and the threat to US dominance:
  "If they ever decide that they're all closing ranks against a weak and vulnerable American dollar... that's the day all the wind goes out..."
  — Lance Wallnau (07:47)

• On the vaccine debate and splitting the base:
  "Trump never hears boos from the MAGA base. Boo. And he said, I understand that there's differences of opinion on this."
  — Lance Wallnau (21:14)

• On party realignment:
  "The Democrat Party is disillusioned with the Democrat Party. And that is not that they're crazy about Trump. This was the beauty of the four years of him in the wilderness..."
  — Lance Wallnau (37:49)

• On internal MAGA schisms, especially about Israel:
  "If they don't get that right, my fear is J.D. Vance and... Elon, Tucker, Don Jr.... will make a big mistake regarding Israel if they don't have a gestalt experience and realize spiritually... it's a revelation..."
  — Lance Wallnau (55:22)

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Noteworthy Timestamps

| Time | Segment / Quote / Topic | |----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:08 | Lance’s anxiety over "Trump is dead" trend on X | | 02:56 | Trump responds to rumors of his demise | | 05:02 | Discussion of MAGA’s own conspiracy theories | | 07:47 | Analysis of India-China-Russia alliance: threat to the US dollar| | 19:50 | RFK Jr. segment: Vaccine deaths and skepticism | | 21:14 | Lance on Trump distancing from Operation Warp Speed criticism | | 26:13 | Vaccine efficacy declines discussed, "statistical tricks" | | 30:28 | Voter registration shifts, Republicans gain momentum | | 36:02 | CNN analyst confirms GOP gains in swing states | | 45:00 | Four-part blueprint of the MAGA base and the Israel "fault line"| | 55:22 | Young MAGA leaders’ ambiguous stance on Israel, warning issued |

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Episode Tone & Language

Wallnau maintains an urgent, sometimes righteously indignant tone, using religious imagery ("demonic purpose," "hand of God," "antichrist spirit") and vivid analogies to illustrate political points. The conversation is fast-paced, peppered with dry humor, self-deprecation, and moments of genuine frustration.

The dynamic flows between comically exaggerated conspiracy stories, detailed strategic analysis, and his signature weaving of spiritual concerns with contemporary politics.

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Summary

This episode is a tour through the labyrinth of right-wing anxieties, hopes, and self-awareness: from destabilizing viral hoaxes and conspiracies on both sides, to momentous shifts in global power and the practical challenges of keeping an ideologically diverse movement together. The audience is left with clear marching orders: stay vigilant, don't believe every trending story, and understand the stakes — both political and spiritual — of America's alliances and internal divisions.

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For listeners seeking unvarnished, candid conservative commentary — with a heavy dose of geopolitical warning, theological perspective, and movement self-critique — this episode delivers a comprehensive, sometimes bracing, analysis of 2025’s most pressing flashpoints.

Transcript

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[Lance]

You know, the one thing you don't want to do is any random moment at the end of the day, like go to X and look for news or trending news. I will never do it again. Never do it again. It's toxic. It's. I go there and I click on it and it says, trump is dead. What? And I go, all the headlines there are going to Trump death. Trump, you know what happened to Trump? And I thought, my God. Then I right away go to the other news sources, there's nothing. And I thought, what? And then I started reading the news feed and Mercedes. It was a trend of frustrated left wing crazy people. It was so frustrated that they're just now prophesying. It's like putting your fingers in your ears. La la la la la la. Trump is dead. Trump is. He doesn't exist. It's not happening. This isn't happening. It's like, that's where they're so desperate. But it actually was trending.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, it was really scary. I mean, the amount of people that were thinking, he's actually. I sent you a video and I was like, have you seen this? You got to pray for him.

[Lance]

So Peter Doocy actually asked the president, you know, he lives in an insulated world. He's not. He's not. He is better. He's got his finger more in the pulse of culture than any, let's face it, than almost any preacher I know. Because he knows everything that's going on in the sports area and movies. And if it deals with him, he knows the ratings of the person doing It. But watch this question and answer President Trump, something completely different, but about a big viral social media trend over the weekend. How did you find out over the weekend that you were dead? You see that?

[Donald Trump]

No.

[Lance]

You for a couple days, 1.3 million user engagements as of Saturday morning about your demise. Really?

[Donald Trump]

You know, I have heard it's sort of crazy, but last week I did numerous news conferences, all successful. They went very well. Like this is going very well. And then I didn't do any for two days. And they said there must be something wrong with him. Biden wouldn't do him for months. You wouldn't see him. And nobody ever said there was ever anything wrong with him. And we know he wasn't in the greatest of shape, you know. No, I heard that. I get reports now. You knew. I did an interview that lasted for about an hour and a half with somebody and everybody saw that was on one of your competitors. I did numerous shows and also did a number of truths, long truths, I think pretty poignant truths. No, I was very active over the weekend. They also knew I went out to visit some people at the. At the club that I own pretty nearby on the Potomac River. And no, I've been very active actually over the weekend. I didn't hear that one. That's pretty serious. Well, it's fake news. You know, it's just so. It's so fake. That's why the media has so little credibility. I didn't. I knew that you were saying like, is he okay? How's he feeling? What's wrong? I said I just left. And it's also sort of a longer weekend. You know, it's Labor Day weekend. So I would say a lot of people know I was very active this.

[Lance]

Labor Day and he was very active. Well, you know what I'm talking about. Anybody else relate to this? I'm never gonna go. I just learned something because I don't know what you call it. The adrenaline. I mean, I'm laying in bed. Let me tell you something. I have a hard enough time winding down at the end of the day. I really do people. And it's like, you know, I used to struggle with insomnia. Cause I got my mind going and you know, I read that and I thought what happened and it was like it was fake news. But it accomplishes demonic purpose of creating an anxiety rush in me like Trump is dead. So I don't want to kill the story. We keep talking about it, but I.

[Podcast Host]

Mean, think about it though, with Biden, where we didn't see Biden for months at a time. Like he would not do press conferences ever. And Trump just is like, takes like, you know, two days. I'm not going to be on camera. I'm going to do some.

[Lance]

Let me tell you something.

[Podcast Host]

I'm going to do some phone calls.

[Lance]

Let's do a forensic on our movement now. A little self disclosure here. My audience and I know you're a bigger group out there than it's showing up in the polls. We thought Biden was a body double. I had people that were serious people telling me they thought that it was he was a cloned or it was an act someone else had taken his place. This isn't the same. They show that picture. You ever seen those pictures of Biden's face now before? And I was having an intelligent conversation with somebody. I don't want to say too much. They're a business person, substantial and without let. And we're talking real stuff about what's going on in D.C. then they go, yeah, what do you think about that lizard person has taken Biden's body over. I go, why? Are they serious? A lizard person? What in the world are we talking about? Then it was, oh yeah, the fake White House. It's like Kramer out of Seinfeld. Oh yeah, Jerry. It's a fake White House. That's not even Biden. That's another person. It's all fake. They built a duplicate White House and they're doing. I'm going, oh my God, is it possible?

[Podcast Host]

So funny.

[Lance]

Well, that's a little bit of my tribe. Little conspiracy way down the rabbit hole.

[Podcast Host]

Well, and I never understood too, if you're making a double, why are you making him so dumb? Why is the double just as dumb?

[Lance]

That's a great point if I was gonna make, right. The real shocker is he looks better and he sounds intelligent versus he's falling down like Chevy Chase trying to do Gerald Ford. Anyway, I wanted you to see that. And I got another subject. We only got six minutes. I hate to go into this. Cause we got 12 minute segments on real America's voice. And so I have to pick a subject that the juicy subject I wanna get into is what's going on over there with the. I mean, what's the audience want to talk about? I want to tell them about what I see happening with Xi and Putin.

[Podcast Host]

And hey, you know what? We'll just hold over. We'll just pull it into the next segment. I think you should go for it.

[Lance]

All right, well, listen, so India's Modi. Well, Trump. Okay, so all right, here we go, Here we go. Ready? So Trump, President Trump is tweeting like a bandit. I mean, so he's got a long weekend. You know, he loves to control the news cycle. Like he took over today. He teased out yesterday whenever you watch this, we're doing this thing earlier in the week. What did he say? He said big announcement coming and he doesn't tell you what it is. He has learned how to control the media cycle like no president we've ever had. Everybody's well, what's he going to do? Announce. And then of course the left, he has cancer and he's going to be stepping down. That was a trending story amongst the lunatics. Well, of course he's got to be moving the space station. Now. That's not big news. But he wanted to control the media. So he's moving it to what? Alabama. They're gonna put it there. Huntsville, Alabama. Yep.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah, and Space force.

[Lance]

I mean the whole, we're holding our breath waiting to hear. So but he, over the weekend, Labor Day weekend, he tweets out, go to. You got, I guess, I don't know which. You just have to keep up with me. This is the India tweet. What few people understand is that we do very little business with India, but they do a tremendous amount of business with us. In other words, they sell us massive amounts of goods. Their biggest cl but we still sell them very little. Until now, until now, a totally one sided relationship. And it's been that way for many decades. The reason is that India's charged us until now such high tariffs that most of any country that our businesses are unable to sell into India. It's been a totally one sided disaster. Also, India buys most of its oil and military products from Russia, very little from the US they have now offered to cut their tariffs to nothing. But its getting late. They should have done so years ago. Just some simple facts for people to ponder. Why is Trump saying that? Because you got to catch this. He's looking at his enemies. Having a party that Xi and Putin and Modi of India are all yucking it up over there, having a Shanghai conference and they're all talking about how frustrated they are with the United States, how they want to get rid of Trump's tariff. This is when you hear about the BRICS nations. Well, here it is. Russia, India, China. If you want to go over to Brazil where they got the communist, I'd say illegally illegal President Lula who is threatening to put Bolsonaro or Trump in the TROPICS in prison, just like the left wanted to do with Trump over here. The President is looking at those two. But look at it, man, they are the strongest economic alliance. Forget Russia, Russia is like, you know, like they say, a gas station with nuclear weapons. But China and India, the future, what are they? Two billion, two and a half billion people on the earth? One third of the earth's population, maybe what, 33%? Is those two countries aligned. God help us if they ever decide that they're all closing ranks against a weak and vulnerable American dollar. Because folks, that's the day all the wind goes out of that, that beautiful rising, you know, thing called making America great. And it all comes crashing down. You know what could do that? When America turns its back on God and when it turns its back on Israel. And that's another subject for another segment because our movement has some dangerous thinking in it. People that don't like Jews, Christians that call themselves born again, but are actually anti Israel. And that, my friends, is like the spike protein in the vaccine that'll work its way perniciously into your body and do its mischief. Now, let's cover this. China's Xi is pushing a new global order. Of course China wants the global order. That's the reason why Trump, the President dropped this true social just to drop a little grenade over there, because you know what he's saying. I can't get this war with Ukraine under control because India and ironically Europe are funding it. They're funding Russia. Well, how are they funding Russia? Russia has its primary income coming in through energy exports. India is buying their weapons and their energy, their oil, et cetera, from Russia. And now there's a pipeline being built into China. When you've got the strongest economies in the world in terms of markets, that's the billions of people. America is dominant because we got money, but we don't have the population. 350 million. These countries over here, like a billion each, they dwarf us. And if they start lining up against us, folks, and then the gas line, the oil line, if there's a pipeline from Russia, 30, I think I'm putting a third, putting a 30 year pipeline in place that's going to be into China, well, that means Russia and China are part. If you ever wanted to sit down and prognosticate, as great generals do, to prophetically see like a patent or Sherman, what's coming in the future, you see the fault lines of a potential global reset. If the United States is not preeminent in the world order, anarchy. And as the Bible talks about lawlessness will break out, but you'll see China, North Korea, Russia and then India coming alongside compliantly having to for the sake of prosperity and peace in that hemisphere. We have a dangerous situation where these nations are already in alliance. What's stopping them? Donald Trump and the hand of God on America right now using Donald Trump. And I'm just telling you the way it is and I haven't missed it once on these things. We're going to come back and talk about what's really going on in the world. Order in the Game of Thrones. Be right back.

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[Lance]

And so we come back to the Fox News segment. I'm concerned about Trump response to social media says India should have cut their tariffs years ago. So what was Trump responding to? Well, I'm reading this article here where India's Modi cozies up with Putin and Xi. India Prime Minister Nirundi Modi held warm meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping on Monday, sending Washington a clear message after President Donald Trump's heavy tariffs. Now, you know Modi's picture, I know we did a lot of B roll in that last segment, but did it show them all yucking it up and laughing and stuff like that? It does because they really are like chummy, chummy. It's not like awkward stiff, you know, like being forced to be with, you know, meeting your spouse's ex or something. These people, look at them, they're all like, ah, yah, yah, you're happy. Look at Modi's there, you know, looking just, just cherub and cheerful. So Modi's pictured having friendly exchanges, holding hands to both leaders, calls India and calls China his partner rather than a rival. Putin in turn calls Modi his dear friend and express gratitude that India and Russia are friendly, trusting relationships. And you know, then Xi said we're all standing against bullying behavior. Well, who's the bully that wasn't invited to that party? Donald Trump. I'll tell you something, folks. I think they're, I'm looking at the opium, I'm looking at the what's working on their minds right now. This is the future alliance against the United States. And you know, we got a window. This is the situation. We have a window of time. Call me crazy. I'm going to tell you like it is. God gave us a window of time. Look how we have Pakistan and India. You think India would be grateful for the fact they don't have a nuclear war with Pakistan? Thank you, Donald Trump. No, they're cozying up with their neighbors. And Donald Trump was able to, whether you want to give him credit for it or not, I think God did it. I think God caused the wars to cease to give us a period of economic stability for a short window. But I think we've got a window to take the gospel into these nations. I'm serious about this. The only long term hope for the church in the last days is religious liberty. Religious liberty. And that means the freedom to preach the gospel and try to have inroads as deep as possible into the structures of these countries. Do you remember what we went through with COVID Do I have to remind you that Governor Newsom, who's running for president, shut down churches, even home meetings. There's nobody talking about it. There's no outrage over it. He shut down charismatic home prayer meetings. He threatened and worked to put Cheon and other pastors in prison for having church services. This tells you where the real fascism is. This tells you where the real threat is. Put the masks on your face. You will wear them. You will wear them. You will suffocate. Or not. Taking the kids out of school for a whole year. I fear you're gonna say, well, wasn't Donald Trump involved? Yeah, I'm telling you something. It can happen with Donald Trump being in office, trying to figure out what has been unleashed on him. But where did it come from? China. I didn't miss that. Working with Fauci, our deep state, working in the biotech industry. Look at the elements, the cluster of characters that shifted history for you. And let's play that Bobby Kennedy clip. I might as well go into that segment. Remember that. Remember, remember. Do you guys, do you know someone that died from the COVID vaccine? Do you feel it was the vaccine that did the job and the injection that took them out more so than the COVID itself. Play the Bobby Kennedy, I guess. Who is he with? With Bill Maher. Yeah, Play that segment, William.

[Medical Expert/Statistician]

There's 25% of Americans who believe that they know somebody who was killed by a COVID vaccine.

[Lance]

Killed?

[Medical Expert/Statistician]

Killed. 25% of Americans. 52% of Americans believe that the vaccines are causing injuries, including death. 52%.

[Lance]

Oh.

[Medical Expert/Statistician]

If you look at the clinical trial studies, the actual studies that were done that were released of the Pfizer vaccine, Moderna has not released it. If you look at the Pfizer vaccine, there were 22,000 people in the placebo group. 22,000 people who got the actual vaccine. And the people who got the vaccine had a 23% higher death rate from all causes at the end of that study.

[Lance]

But that could not be the disease itself.

[Medical Expert/Statistician]

No. Well, because we know that if it is, then the vaccine doesn't work. Well, it's early.

[Lance]

Well, no, no, that's not so. Once again, el Presidente, on his day off, when everybody thought he was dead, wrote this out for a tweet. September 1st. Remember this? I remember Dave. Remember Dave Harris. God bless our tribe. They're. They're bold rascals, I'll tell you that. Dave Harris is doing an interview with President Trump, and President Trump's touting his Operation Warp Speed and everything that he's done, and God bless him. Harris goes, Mr. President, wait a second. You know, there's a lot of questions we have about that vaccine, about the Spike protein and about fatalities and about the pharmaceutical companies. And the President was like, I don't know if Dave ever got an interview after that, but it was. It was. Was a great moment in history because, I mean, I was like, when I cringe, it's not because I'm embarrassed for my friends. It's because I know. Wow, that's a bold shot. What it meant was, hey, President Trump was doing this, was doing rallies with O'Reilly at that time, and they did one or two big rallies. You know, people pay a bunch of money to go hear the two of them talk. And I don't know how it worked out. They never went back and did any more. I think it was just a. This, weirdly enough, it was an opportunity for Trump to go out and do his thing. But the result of that experience was that Trump heard boos for the first time in his audience. Donald Trump never hears boos from the MAGA base. Boo. And he said, I understand that there's differences of opinion on this. So he knows his base is divided, but he doesn't know sometimes whether they're right or wrong. He thinks in Epstein they're a little nutty, but he thinks in the CDC realm or in the Kennedy realm, maybe they're onto something. And he's proud of Operation Warp Speed, but he's willing now to say, maybe I got snookered. Maybe there's something and Bobby Kennedy's going after it and, you know, he's hovering over the target because Bernie Sanders and the other guys are trying to. Are trying to get him taken out of position. Trump writes, it's very important that the drug companies justify the success of the various Covid drugs. Many people think that there is a miracle that saved millions of lives. But others disagree with The CDC being ripped apart over this question. I want the answers and I want it now. Capital now. I've been shown information that Pfizer and others that is extraordinary, that they never seem to show those results to the public. Why not? Question mark, question mark, question mark. They go off to the next hunt and let everyone rip themselves apart, including Bobby Kennedy Jr. And the CDC, trying to figure out the success or failure of the drug companies. What's Trump doing? He's distancing himself. He's about to say, you know, if the facts are what you're saying, it's not my fault. They lied to me. They gave me bad data. They were like fake news. And that's dangerous for those companies. You see, they show me great numbers and results, but they don't seem to be showing them to many other people. I wanted to show them now. Capital now to the CDC and the public and clean up this mess. Clean it up one way or the other. Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I hope Operation Warp Speed was as brilliant as many says it was. But this is a rare moment for Donald Trump. It's like saying, I hope our brilliant execution of Operation, you know, Hammer, whatever, you know, Iran was a success. But if not, what's funny is he's qualifying saying, look, you know, I could step out of my ego and say, if it wasn't, we all want to know about it and why. Thank you for your attention to this important matter. Donald Trump has just signaled that Robert Kennedy Jr. Go for it, tiger. And that's why Robert Kennedy Jr. Was put in this place to expo. For those of you that are impatiently waiting for the other shoe to fall, it's coming. Let's play video clip 24.

[Medical Expert/Statistician]

The vaccine is ineffective for the first six weeks after the first shot. I'm assuming a two shot, you know, a two dose vaccine like Pfizer or Moderna, and that during that period the COVID infection rate goes up and the death rate goes up and the data, the official data do not count you as vaccinated. And until two weeks after the second shot, the deaths that happened during that first six weeks are attributed to unvaccinated, to the unvaccinated group, which is not. Which is. It's a trick. It's a statistical trick. Then the vaccine appears to provide immunity and good immunity during the first month or two months. And then a precipitous decline, a waning that happens very, very quickly and very precipitously. So that by the seventh, it has lapsed into negative efficacy. And what that means is that after seven months, if you had that vaccine, you are more likely to get Covid and somebody who has never been vaccinated. And this data is holding up across every country in the world.

[Lance]

Now, you know it as well as I do. Those of us that were waiting for and holding out, we didn't want to do the vaccine. Remember that? It's the epidemic of the unvaccinated Biden. Mindless muppet up there with a spirit talking through him. The epidemic of the unvaccinated. Well, the truth is that if you got the vaccine twice, you were more like. Or if you got the vaccine, you're more likely after seven months to get Covid again.

[Podcast Host]

Yeah. Then people who had never received it.

[Lance]

Then compared to the people that were building herd immunity. Wow.

[Podcast Host]

And just think too, I mean, it feels like a long time ago, but the things that were going on. And we just have this memory hole where sometimes we forget. But we have another stat that the team could put up on for 26 that three years ago, 30% of Democrats believed that children should be taken away from unvaccinated parents. I mean, that's how insane it was. I mean, you could you just cough a little bit on an airplane. I mean, I remember being on planes with you and Annabelle and, you know, we've got the mask on and I mean, it was just constant. I mean, there are people who still wear masks today, which is nuts. But yeah, I mean, this was a different time that we lived in. Praise God. We're out of it.

[Lance]

Well, thank God right now we have. We have the team. We got, man. We got the New York Yankees up there and Robert Kennedy Jr. Lord, we just bless him. We pray for divine protection. We pray that you'll give him words of knowledge, words of wisdom, and a team that will be gifted at ferreting out the truth and exposing what we need to know in Jesus name.

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All 30 states that track party registration. We're putting on the screen the data it shows. Altogether, Democrats have lost 2.1 million voters.

[Podcast Host]

Republicans have gained 2.4 million. That's a deficit that you have of 4.5 million voters.

[Lance]

Oh, boy. So Scott Pressler and the great work that he's done in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and in New Jersey has for the first time pushed the Republican voter rolls to the point where they've closed the gap. Not entirely, but sufficiently. I found something out. I don't know if you knew this, Mercedes, but that I'm gonna get the data here that something like you think 100% of people that are registered Democrats will vote Democrat, but actually about 30% of them might vote Republican. So they're kind of like a swing vote Democrat, but they lean Democrat, nice blue dog. So that means that when the voter, when they lose their advantage in term, when you run to parity, they actually lose. Because if you got 500, let's say you have 5 million on the left with Democrats 5 million on the right, well about 30% of those left Democrats are actually gonna vote with the Republicans. So America is a center right leaning country still. It's just a matter of who can package the message best and who's controlling the emotional news cycle. But I'm saying all that because the midterms. Let me give you a little midterms data. You wanna see. I wanna see this window. Continue. I swear we are in a divine moment of the third Great Awakening. And I'm praying with this earnesty that the window would stay open. Like Joshua in the valley saying, oh God, call hold the sun and the moon still so that we have some time. We need time. But listen, we need time for this great Awakening. We gotta a lot of infrastructure we gotta occupy. Jesus said that if you sweep clean these institutions with executive orders, but you don't occupy with your new thinking and your new leaders and with a muscular momentum. I mean, I'm talking cracker barrel brand, you know, sustainability, maintaining this movement we got, it's a new thing. But keep moving, develop that muscle. If we can, then we have a. We might have a decade for your children and my little grandchildren, my boys and girls who I want them to have a blessed life. I don't want them being plunged into the darkness of the chaos of what I've seen the world can fall into. The midterms is the next inflection point. All that to say what happens politically when this gavel of authority gets given to the wrong people. The last time they had it, they had Clapper and Comey, they had the Mueller, they had two impeachments they tried when Trump was running four times to lock the man in prison and bankrupt him. I don't want that power that is there in the hands of the wrong person. 20 midterms have taken place since World War II. Do you realize that 18 out of 20 have all worked to strip the President's party in office from power in Congress? In other words, 18 out of 20 times, if you're a Republican, the Democrats will take over. If you're a Democrat, the Republicans can take over. It's almost like America has some kind of a weird mechanism in it where it doesn't want the power in one location, it throws off the to the other. Which would be fine if they were both pursuing the same ends. Little competition. Iron sharpens iron. But what you've got now is evil versus good. I'm just putting it out there. If you give the gavel to evil, it becomes a shortening of the window of awakening. And from then on, the news cycle, as you watch impeachment after impeachment effort, so there are 25 seats that shift every midterm, 18 out of 20 times. It doesn't work out for the president in power. It might be. This could be an exception. And I don't want anyone overconfident. I don't want anyone to feel like, oh, yeah, Trump's. Because, you know, everybody lives in a news bubble. If you're in your news bubble, you know what you're hearing? You're hearing, oh, how is it possible? I mean, I hear it. I don't think. I don't think there's any way Trump won't win the midterms. You know, it's like, but, folks, I've got family members. I don't know why it is. My family is Northeast Annabelle's family. They're scholars, they're university people. They're people that work with the Democrat Party and PR work, and they're in another world entirely. They think that Trump's authoritarian tendencies have finally become so conspicuous with his taking over of DC and his threats about moving into Chicago, which we're gonna cover in a minute, that shortly, you're aware that he has got. His party's gotta be taken out of power. That's the reality. There are smart people living in that bubble. All right, so let's talk about what makes up the MAGA party, because, you know, when it really came. Hold it. You got some information here on cnn? Let me play this thing before I go into the way the MAGA party's made up. But, Carl, get ready for that. Play this next segment for me on CNN. They'll. They're going, when CNN's telling you that you're in trouble, you're in trouble. Let's hear this.

[CNN Analyst]

The Democratic brand right now has about the appeal with the American voter, as the Cracker Barrel rebrand has with the American consumers. Bad, bad, bad. What are you doing? Oh, my goodness gracious. What are we talking about here in terms of big party registration changes in the key swing states? Let's look at the key four swing states that, in fact, do keep track of registration by party. Look, the Republican Party is in Their best position at this point in the cycle since at least 2005. And all four of these key battleground states, we go out to the Southwest, Arizona. How about Nevada? Republicans haven't done this well since 2005. Oh, my goodness gracious. At this point in the cycle. North Carolina, I couldn't find a point at which Republicans were doing better at this point in the cycle. It's at least this century. It probably goes way back in the last century. And Pennsylvania, very similar. Republicans doing better at this point than at any point at any point this century, at least as far as I could find. Now, what types of gains are we talking about here for the Republican Party? Well, let's compare it to this point during the first Trump administration, all the way back in 2017. Look at this. The Republican Party gains in party registration compared to this point back in 2017 during the Trump first administration. In Arizona, you got a Republican gain of three points. Okay, how about Nevada? Up the hill we go, even though we're sticking in the Southwest, a gain of six points. How about again, we come to the East Coast, North Carolina, a gain of eight points for the Republicans. And in the Keystone State, in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, again, we're talking about a gain of eight points. My goodness gracious for Republicans, they are converting old former Democrats to their side of the ledger as well as picking up new voters, registering new voters, and it absolutely paid off for them back in the 2024 election.

[Lance]

What does it tell you? I don't know if my in laws are watching this, but what does it tell you? Tells you that the Democrat Party is disillusioned with the Democrat Party. And that is not that they're crazy about Trump. This was the beauty of the four years of him in the wilderness fighting and clawing his way from the dark winter days of January 6th at Mar a Lago to where he got eventually, you know, in winning the election. He had to go through those four years. But in those four years, Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan, Robert Kennedy Jr. Tulsi Gabbard. Who else? Who else?

[Podcast Host]

Aiden Ross.

[Lance]

Oh, Elon Musk. Aiden Ross. I mean, those people had time. Reminds me of the scene like in Star wars, whichever one it was, Empire Strikes by, Return of the Jedi or whatever, when Darth Vader is fighting, when the emperor is trying to kill Luke Skywalker with his electric fingers and. And Darth Vader's watching and he's conflicted because that's his son. He's his son. Finally, he reaches over and grabs the emperor, palpatine throws him down the reactor. I think it's just kind of like the mental thing that goes on with a lot of Democrats. They don't really like Trump. They don't really like Trump, but what they're doing is crazy. Boom, we gotta get rid of that. Even Bill Maher has that problem. Anyway, it leads into this reality, the big MAGA split. Thank God. Thank God for God. Do you know Israel could ultimately be the destruction of the United States? Not because we side with it, but because the day we turn our back on that little struggling country and become their enemy, we have cut the slender cord to the one grace that is holding us, in my opinion, in the mercy of God right now in the world order. God put, I believe the United States there for the sake of the nations. And the day that we, I'll tell you the truth, really screwed up a lot of nations. I mean, this is so bizarre. We gave hundreds of billions of dollars to Iran and allowed the Palestinians to get the money they had so that they could weaponize themselves, build the tunnels, and Hezbollah and Hamas could attack Israel. It's like the Biden administration did the exact opposite of everything that needed to be done. So we were act. And then we put our gay flags on all the embassies globally. We forced them to have to choke down our perverse ideology infused with government symbolism right there at the White House. Imagine if Donald Trump was to drape a cross right there at the White House, drop the flag down. I mean, you know, he might do it. I shouldn't even suggest it. Just say, hey, we're with God here. He was carrying the Bible around at certain points. Anyway, here's what I want to do. I want to identify for us what are the four groups in the MAGA coalition that almost split exactly down the middle on Israel? The only thing that we really could go to war over in our own party is the religious issue. There's something here that we need to capture, and that is that you and I are part of the audience. That is the war room part, the Charlie Kirk part, even the evangelical part, which I think is substantial. Like 40 million votes is nothing to sneeze at. When you win in an 80 million vote election, it's like half your party. But I don't really think that people understand our position on Israel because we're divided ourselves. I'm surprised to see it. I am, frankly, because antisemitism is something which I never thought would arise in the MAGA base or on the campuses the way that it has. But we're you have to look at Trump as a unique phenomena. And one of the articles in Newsweek says that to control the House and the Senate and the executive branch in 2026, if he loses that the whole thing blows up. So Donald Trump has to zig and zag, bob and weave and negotiate and transact to keep this governing majority in place. And I think we need to dedicate our next segment to what are the elements of that governing majority.

[Podcast Host]

Mercedes no, I think you're spot on, Lance. And as we talked about the beginning of this segment, I think we're winning so many people to the party right now. We're actually going to be facing a crisis here of what does the Republican Party look like in the next two years, four years, Will that be redefined? So it's going to be fascinating to look at. I'm excited to see your analysis in the next segment.

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[Lance]

All right, so what you have is the first time I've ever looked at a map of the MAGA base. You know, because you ever think about it? I don't even think when I'm on Flashpoint and other programs that we actually analyze what makes up the base. But I got a call from a friend of mine who works with the lobby, which is for representing antisemitism. You know, after the shootings of the young couple outside of the Jewish Embassy, they were involved with the Jewish Embassy in Washington. I became aware, along with the pro Palestinian, pro Hamas, aggressive protests going on on the college campuses, the Jewish people that are, you know, being picked upon and bullied on the campuses in the West. I became aware of the fact that there's a sea change happening. It's coming from the universities into the institutions. But Derek Prince, years ago, a Cambridge scholar, predicted that anti Semitism would be a rising trend and eventually Israel would stand alone and all nations would have to go into a valley of decision. And the valley of decision would be deciding what they were going to do with Israel, whether they would be for or against this little people. Which struck me as a strange thing. But Michele Bachmann, who's in charge of, I guess the Regent University School of Government right now, she echoed that same sentiment. So when my friend called me and said that he wanted to engage my energies on helping the battle with anti Semitism, he pointed out, there's an article to read in Newsmax. I want to pick up a part of that article here. During the Iran Israel conflict, we came to a point that came to a boiling point, actually, and I thank God it happened then. It didn't happen before the midterm elections because the division it really revealed that all of our coalitions that work together on loving Trump and loving MAGA divide and crack apart when it comes to religion as revolves not the existence of God and Western Judeo Christianity, but regarding specifically the Jewish state and God's plans for Israel. So here's the four segments here. The libertarian wing of the MAGA community, which is represented by Tucker Carlson, Senator Robert Kennedy, the Tesla billionaire Elon Musk and Kentucky GOP Senator Rand Paul. So these libertarians here are, you know, there's a large part of America that falls into the Elon Musk rfk, especially Musk, talking about the debt and the budget in Washington and then Rand Paul about America, you know, getting involved with these foreign wars. So there's a large group of our MAGA base that is here, but then go over here to the economic populace. I never thought about this, but really, Steve Bannon, he calls himself an economic populist and because he understands capital markets. And I love how he patiently he brings on different guys to educate the audience. And the audience really loves Steve because he's like the professor who doesn't talk down to you. He just basically says, look guys, you can get this, you can get this. It's not that complicated. And it's like dad teaching you how to handle investments or something. So Bannon is an economic populist at its core. He sees the industrial base being stripped. He understands how the capital markets work, how the money class and the elites game the system to make money while the working man, the average Joe, is losing his income and going and losing and losing his self respect as industry collapses in the United States, the fentanyl addiction is highest in the places where the manufacturing cities were collapsed and men are unemployed. They have no self respect, no purpose. What do they do with it? Listen, there's a direct correlation between crime, depression, suicide, alcoholism, domestic violence and a man's self respect as a result of gainful employment, feeling good about themselves and doing something productive to provide for the people they love. So you've got that economic populist base over there which bleeds into the social conservative base because these are Judeo Christian values. With Bannon, that's why he'll have a rabbi on, he'll have a pastor on. And this idea that Western civilization is based as a Catholic on the idea of God and moral absolutes that govern the moral universe. You move over here to the social conservatives. Now who do we have here in our article here? I think it's a little shallow. The movement conservative led by social conservative activists like Charlie Kirk. You only got one name there. Too bad. It's unfortunate, right? You got Jack Hibbs, you've got Paula White. Anybody hear of her? She's 20ft down the hall from the Oval Office. You've got social conservatives, but they don't know how to handle the evangelicals. What should I put here, a cross over here? Here. It's all the 40 million evangelical voters. A huge part of the social conservative base. And by the way, for you guys that aren't paying attention in these other camps I'm talking about, they happen to be the pro Israel voters. They're not really politically engaged. We're new. We really got engaged when Trump came down the escalator. Before that, Ralph Reed. We got involved with Reagan, but we got fanatical when Trump came because of the eschatological reality of the destruction of the West. We saw it and boom, we became almost 40% of the Trump MAGA base. But I digress. Then we've got establishment Republicans. Well, that's what they're calling them. But the establishment Republican wing encompasses political figures like Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio. I don't know. Would you put Ted Cruz in there? Would you put Ted Cruz in there?

[Podcast Host]

I'd put Ted in there, yeah.

[Lance]

So Mercedes says Ted Cruz would be in there. But the establishment Republicans, this isn't the sexy part of our party, but we love Rubio now. We love Cruz now. You know why in the enlargement of this middle place here, the intersection of the MAGA movement is Donald Trump. That's where that thing happens. So these are the four divisions. Now, what could. What works against us, dare I say, is the fault line that fragments us really does come down to what do you do with the nation of Israel? Because Marjorie Taylor Greene. Oh, my God, where does Taylor Greene go in all this?

[Podcast Host]

She's probably closer to libertarians right now.

[Lance]

Yeah, she's like an M. And she's hard to figure out.

[Podcast Host]

She'd probably be populist.

[Lance]

She's an economic populist who talks like a Christian nationalist who's totally screwed up on Israel. She's a wonderful. She is a beautiful test case of the discombobulation of our mental state. Marjorie Taylor Greene would say, I'm a Christian nationalist, born again. Praise you, God, praise Jesus. Boom. Economic populace right there with Bannon. Take the jobs back to the United States. Boom. Over here, no wars, no foreign intervention. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever get involved with another country. It's All About America first. We're not sending anybody anywhere. Well, Trump, thank God, has the wisdom to say in order to have a global system with us at the top, we have to. I thought about this analogy the other day. Imagine you have a mall. There's an anchor store there. When I grew up, it might be Jacques de Penay, JCPenney's. So you got this banker at the mall. Basically, it's Neiman's. You know, what's it called?

[Podcast Host]

Neiman Marcus, Saks Fifth Avenue.

[Lance]

Give me a store like Saks Fifth Avenue.

[Podcast Host]

Macy's.

[Lance]

Macy's. Macy's is the anchor store. So the way this picture goes, I only got three minutes. I got a lot to cover. And I'm very sorry that this show is going this way, but this is the way it is today. You got Macy's right here. Right? Is it with a Y? Yeah, yeah. But then you got all these other stores. You got Gap, you got this, you got, you know, Johnson and Murphy, you got those. Then you got another Angus store on there. If you're the money people that are making, let's say that you've got 30% of the mall traffic. 30 to 40% of that mall traffic is coming to you. You can't just exist for yourself. This is the EU market over here and this is your Middle east market here. And then you got China. And guess what China wants to do. China wants to wipe out Macy's and take all the business to them on the other side of the mall. Just think about what I'm saying. The President has the ability to look at the mall and go, I want America's interests served. And to do that, I have to deal with the Middle east because it affects business. I have to deal with Europe because it affects business. And Lord knows I'm not trying to provoke a fight. But I got to keep them from taking over the mall because they're the anchor store, competitor to the. To Macy's. That's what Trump's got to juggle. And you got these kinds of. This is where dummies on our side are dangerous. Because the only thing we can agree on now is Donald Trump, thank God, gets who we love for his economic populism and for his at times, social conservative values. But the reality is he's anti Israel and anti Semitic. Same thing with Tucker. Anti Semitic. If they don't get that right, my fear is J.D. vance and who's the group that's with J.D.

[Podcast Host]

Like Elon, J.D.

[Lance]

Elon, Tucker, Don Jr. I fear that they don't share your worldview as regards the Jewish question. And that's dangerous. And that's the subject of another broadcast because the future is with the Marjorie Taylor Greene's and J.D. vance's that I fear will make a big mistake regarding Israel if they don't have a gestalt experience and realize spiritually, spiritually, it's a revelation as to God's end time. Plan for the gospel to go to the nations. Sheep nations, just nations, stable nations that will not persecute Christians or Jews, but that Antichrist spirit, folks, it will come after you big time. And what's holding it off? It's the hand of God as a restrainer right now. We'll be back again with our next broadcast. You don't want to miss it.

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