Human Events with Jack Posobiec 01-08-26

Summary

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Summary: Human Events with Jack Posobiec – Real America’s Voice (01-08-26)

Episode Date: January 8, 2026
Host: Jack Posobiec
Featured Guests: Mike Pence, Cali Means, Daniel Turner, Andrew Branca, David Zier, Nick Sorter
Main Theme:
This episode offers an unfiltered, right-leaning perspective on breaking news, public health policy, foreign affairs, domestic unrest in Minneapolis, and changes in federal nutrition and vaccine guidelines under the Trump administration. The discussion moves fluidly from high-level government interviews to on-the-ground reporting, with special focus on the new dietary guidelines, reactions to a high-profile Minneapolis shooting involving ICE agents, and strategic discussions on U.S. energy dominance and foreign policy.

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1. Exclusive Interview with Mike Pence: National Security & International Relations

(00:04 – 06:17)

Key Points:

• Venezuela Policy: Pence details ongoing U.S. diplomatic and operational efforts to ensure a stable, pro-U.S. government in Venezuela, indicating deep involvement as delegated by President Trump.
  • “We kept this operation secret for a very long time. I'm very proud of that. ...to ensure that the new Venezuelan government actually listens to the United States and does what the United States needs it to do under our country's best interest.” – Mike Pence (00:04)
• War Powers Resolution: Pence dismisses Congressional resistance, labeling the War Powers Act as “a fake and unconstitutional law”, asserting confidence in President Trump’s influence over the GOP.
  • “Every president, Democrat or Republican, believes the War Powers act is fundamentally a fake and unconstitutional law.” – Mike Pence (01:49)
• Iran Protests: The U.S. vocally supports peaceful protestors but remains committed to pushing Iran toward nuclear negotiations.
• Caribbean Stability: Pence claims U.S. actions in Venezuela are actually reducing regional cartel power and instability, emphasizing American strength and peace.
  • “When you take away a major source of illegal cartel revenue ... you actually remove the power of one of the main destabilizing forces in Latin America and in the Caribbean.” – Pence (03:33)
• Greenland & Global Security: Firm message to European partners about Greenland’s strategic value to U.S. and world missile defense; calls for European seriousness or U.S. action.
  • “If they're not, the United States is going to have to do something about it.” – Pence (04:34)

Memorable Moment: Pence admonishes the press for inflaming rhetoric around a Minneapolis shooting and urges media responsibility. - “I think it's really irresponsible for you guys to go out there and imply or tell the American people that a guy who defended himself from being rammed by an automobile is guilty of murder.” – Pence (04:34)

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2. Minneapolis ICE-Involved Shooting & Domestic Turmoil

(07:00 – 08:43, Recurring)

• Incident: Woman killed in confrontation with ICE agents; Trump and Posobiec frame the event as justified self-defense against orchestrated violence by “professional agitators.”
• Wave of Attacks: Reports of over 100 vehicle rammings at federal officers, with a focus on escalating violence in Minneapolis.
  • “Today alone in this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles.” – Reporter (07:40)
• State Response: Minnesota Governor (Daniel Turner) asserts commitment to public safety, indicating possible deployment of National Guard and State Patrol.

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3. "Historic" Dietary Guidelines Reset & New Vaccine Policy

(08:43 – 25:17)

Cali Means Interview: New Federal Nutrition Guidelines

Highlights:

• Guidelines as a Procurement Pivot: The Trump administration’s updated dietary guidelines mark a break from decades of “corporate-driven assumptions,” emphasizing simple, whole foods and slashing processed foods and sugar in federal procurement.
  • “We should fill our plate with whole food grown by American farmers and we should cut added sugar. We should cut highly processed crap.” – Cali Means (12:36)
• Impact: Changes direct hundreds of billions in government food procurement for schools, the military, and SNAP away from processed food giants to American farmers.
• Cultural Shift & Health Rationale: Framing the move as a core American values issue and a reversal of the long “war on fat”; labels prior advice against eggs and saturated fat as “scandalous.”
  • “No administration in the history of modern American civilization has had the ability to stand up to the big food companies...” – Means (15:23)
• Pushback & Alliance: Unusual support claimed from mainstream health orgs once critical; document shipped to every school; aim is to culturally “change the plate.”
• Critique of Previous Policy: The Biden-era guidelines denounced as “corporate-influenced” and “DEI-obsessed” for ignoring processed food harms.
  • “The majority of those hundreds of billions of dollars food for our soldiers, for our kids, for snap. It goes to junk food. The number one item on SNAP is sugary drinks. The number three item is potato chips. It's crazy.” – Cali Means (13:17)
• New Vaccine Schedule: Administration moves to a reduced childhood immunization schedule, citing alignment with "gold standard science."

Notable Quotes:

• “The right way to go is eating real food. Protein, healthy fats, fruits, vegetables, dairy, and a little bit of whole grains.” – Means (18:52)
• “This is one of the most important procurement documents in the federal government. Hundreds of billions of dollars flow from this document. It is so lobbied.” – Means (20:57)
• “No federal taxpayer dollars. That's the message of this document and that's why it's going to have a real world impact.” – Means (24:13)

Resource:

• For more information: RealFood.gov

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4. Energy Dominance & Global Chokepoints

(25:26 – 32:08, Daniel Turner Segment)

Key Points:

• Why Energy Matters: Turner argues oil and gas underpins both the global economy and U.S. military power; Trump sees controlling oil production as preemptive leverage against adversaries (Russia, Iran, Venezuela).
  • “The world runs on oil… control the oil, control the world.” – Turner (26:20)
• Greenland & Arctic Strategy: The Arctic (and Greenland) stressed as vital for future U.S. control in global energy and minerals, warning against ceding ground to Russia or China.
• Philosophy: U.S. involvement abroad (e.g., Venezuela, choke points like Panama Canal) depicted as pragmatic, not imperial; references to Milton Friedman’s influence.

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5. On-the-Ground Reporting: Minneapolis Unrest, Fraud Investigations, and National Security

(32:08 – End)

Key Segments:

A. Treasury Secretary’s Local Outreach (David Zier, 32:27)

• Financial Literacy Push: Treasury Secretary Scott Besant brings “Trump era economic principles” to Minneapolis students; links responsible finance to American economic resurgence.
• Fraud Probes: DOJ and IRS investigate massive Minnesota-based tax and benefit fraud, hinting at possible terror links.

B. Defense Tour – Arsenal of Democracy (Benny Ray Harmony, 35:05)

• Secretary of War’s Initiatives: Touring defense industrial sites, new tech (AI, missile), and highlighting recent U.S. military technology in action.

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6. Legal Dissection: Minneapolis Shooting (Andrew Branca, 36:26 – 45:39)

Summary of Analysis:

• “Clear-Cut” Self-Defense: Branca, law of self-defense expert, finds the ICE shooting entirely justified—emphasizing the imminent, deadly threat posed to officers.
  • “This isn't a complicated legal analysis. Anyone telling you that this officer shooting of that driver was unlawful is simply propagandizing people.” (37:36)
• Legal Doctrine: Walk-through of “five legal elements” of self-defense, Minnesota’s law, and how federal supremacy shields ICE agents from local prosecution.
  • “If the challenged conduct is conduct he's engaging in within the duties of being a federal law enforcement officer, he is not subordinate to any state governor or any state prosecutor.” – Branca (42:38)
• Media Critique: Warns against misinformation and inflamed coverage, referencing the federal supremacy clause.

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7. Live Coverage: Minneapolis Protests and Street Realities (Nick Sorter, 46:58 - 57:43)

Field Update:

• Autonomous Zone Developing: Barricades built from stolen materials, limited/no law enforcement presence; chaos likened to CHAZ/CHOP zones.
  • “That's now a no-go zone for police officers... that's exactly what you saw at the start of Chaz and Chop.” – Sorter (55:13)
• Staged Confrontations: Reports suggest increasingly theatrical/engineered protest actions for social media, aiming to provoke and film ICE confrontations.
• Security Risks: Press and officials face threats, area described as lawless and armed; additional DHS deployment expected.
• Commentary on Antifa/Bolshevik Tactics: Posobiec discusses the "DARVO" psychological attack method used to invert victim and offender roles in the narrative.

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8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mike Pence on Media Responsibility: “One of the ways we tone down the temperature is to have a media that tells the truth. I encourage you all to do that. God bless you.” (06:17)
• Jack Posobiec on Information Warfare: “This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.” (06:17)
• Cali Means on Processed Foods: “We are the sickest country in the developed world. ...There's something very wrong happening. Every mom knows that's because of the American diet.” (12:36)
• Andrew Branca on Legal Analysis: “Anyone telling you that this officer shooting of that driver was unlawful is simply propagandizing people.” (37:36)
• Nick Sorter on Protest Dynamics: “They were definitely attempting to stage some sort of confrontation. And a confrontation they got.” (48:32)
• Jack Posobiec on Narrative Tactics: “The basic technique is called Darvo... Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender... You will begin to spot them.” (51:27)

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9. Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Time | |----------------------|--------------| | Pence Interview | 00:04–06:17 | | Minneapolis ICE Shooting & Reaction | 07:00–08:43, recurring | | Dietary Guidelines & Means Interview | 11:34–25:17 | | Daniel Turner – Energy | 25:26–32:08 | | On-the-Ground Minneapolis (Zier, Harmony, Sorter) | 32:08–end | | Legal Breakdown (Branca) | 36:26–45:39 |

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For listeners seeking analysis of current affairs from a conservative populist perspective—with a deep dive into health policy, high-level legal explanations, foreign policy maneuvers, and live reportage from urban unrest—this episode delivers layered commentary and real-time updates on America’s most contentious issues.

Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

This is an iHeart podcast, guaranteed human.

[Mike Pence]

Cabinet level officials and related officials in our government. And we kept this operation secret for a very long time. I'm very proud of that. I think it suggests. I think it suggests that the team works very well together. Looking ahead. What is my role? Look, my role is going to be whatever the President asks me to do something yet. Well, every single, or I should say every other day, I'm chairing the meeting that we do on this among White House principals to talk about next steps to try to ensure that Venezuela is stable and, and as the President has directed us to do, to ensure that the new Venezuelan government actually listens to the United States and does what the United States needs it to do under our country's best interest. So I'm going to be as involved as the President wants me to be. So far, that's been very involved. And I'll keep on doing that so long as the President asked me to do it.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Even the war powers, we'll go purple.

[Mike Pence]

And then we'll go, whatever that is a problem.

[Cali Means]

Royal purple and then beige. All right. Are there any indications you talked about the network. Are there any indications that the lady who was shot.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

I know there are different reports from there.

[Cali Means]

Her wife said they were new to the area. Are there any indications she may have been a paid agitator and maybe that there are others that were brought to the area? Considering everything that's going on in Minneapolis.

[Mike Pence]

I wouldn't say that she was paid. I don't have the evidence to say that one way or the other. What I do know is that she was violating the law. And if you just look at the eyewitness accounts, they were saying she was there to prevent the enforcement of the law. She was trying to obstruct a legitimate law enforcement operation. That much is obviously clear. The rest of it, of course, is part of the reason why we investigate this stuff. Yeah.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Mr. Vice President, even beyond the War Powers Resolution today, Congress has bucked President Trump on issues like tariffs. Are you concerned that President Trump is losing his grip on Republicans in Congress and what are you going to do about it?

[Mike Pence]

No, I'm not concerned at all. First of all, you know, we talked to some of the senators who were going to vote the wrong way, in my view, on this resolution today. Much of their argument was based more on a legal technicality than any disagreement in policy. If you look at the people who actually voted, every single one of them have supported the administration's plan. Second of all, as the President, I believe himself has already said every president, Democrat or Republican, believes the War Powers act is fundamentally a fake and unconstitutional law. It's not going to change anything about how we conduct foreign policy over the next couple of weeks, the next couple of months, and that will continue to be how we approach things. Go ahead.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we are seeing regarding Iran.

[Nick Sorter]

We are seeing the protests in Iran these days. The cities are begging for help from the US And Israel, naming streets in the city after President Trump. It seems there is an opportunity here that may not come again. Will the United States stand by the citizens of Iran? And if Israel decides to strike again, the nuclear sites in Iran, is the.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

US Expected to take part?

[Mike Pence]

Well, look, we certainly stand by anybody who's engaged in peaceful protests, anybody who's trying to exert their rights for free association and to have their voices heard. Obviously, the Iranian regime has a lot of problems. And as the President of the United States has said, the smartest thing for them to have done, it was true two months ago, it's true today, is for them to actually have a real negotiation with the United States about what we need to see when it comes to their nuclear program. I'll let the President speak to what we're going to do in the future. But we certainly stand with anybody across the world, including the Iranian people who are advocating for their rights. I'll take just a couple of more questions.

[Nick Sorter]

Thank you very much.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mr. Vice President, concerning Venezuela, how would.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

You assure the Caribbean region that they will remain a zone of peace because.

[Nick Sorter]

Some member states in the region are concerned?

[Mike Pence]

Well, look, the President had a very productive phone call with the president of Colombia yesterday, and we continue to talk at all levels of government with a number of our friends in the Caribbean region. I actually think this is really good for peace in the Caribbean because when you take away a major source of illegal cartel revenue, which is the cocaine trade, the fentanyl trade, other sources of illicit revenue, you actually remove the power of, of one of the main destabilizing forces in Latin America and in the Caribbean. I really do think we say it all the time. This is the President of peace. One of the ways that you establish peace in your own hemisphere is to make it clear that the United States is going to be respected, that the United States is willing to take power away from criminal cartel organizations and give it to legitimate governments. That's how we see the future of the Western Hemisphere. And we think it's going to be much more peaceful than it was certainly under Joe Biden. I'll take one more question. Go ahead.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Mr. Vice President, thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

On Greenland, do you have a message for European leaders? Many in Europe reject the idea that the island could be for sale.

[Mike Pence]

Well, first of all, Secretary Rubio, I believe, is meeting with the leaders of Denmark and Greenland next week. I want to say it is, but maybe it's the week after that. We'll continue to deliver some of these messages in private, some of them in public. But I guess my advice to European leaders and anybody else would be to take the president of the United States seriously. What has he said about Greenland? Set to the side the crazy overreactions that I've seen from the press and from certain people in Europe. What has the president said? Number one, Greenland is really important not just to America's missile defense, but to the world's missile defense. Number two, we know that there are hostile adversaries that have shown a lot of interest in that particular territory, that particular slice of the world. So what we're asking our European friends to do is to take the security of that landmass more seriously, because if they're not, the United States is going to have to do something about it. What that is, I'll leave that to the president as we continue to engage in diplomacy with our European friends and everybody on this particular topic. And again, thank you all for listening. Thanks for taking questions. And I just ask you, look, this is politics and often Republicans get in arguments with the press about things. And I understand that. I think it's really irresponsible for you guys to go out there and imply or tell the American people that a guy who defended himself from being rammed by an automobile is guilty of murder. Be a little bit more careful. We're going to talk about toning down the temperature, which I know the president wants to do and I certainly want to do. One of the ways we tone down the temperature is to have a media that tells the truth. I encourage you all to do that. God bless you.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation and.

[Cali Means]

Former Navy intelligence veteran.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.

[Nick Sorter]

Christ is King.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

President Trump says he wants to slam the door on Wall street investors buying single family homes. Trump announcing plans to ban institutional investors from snatching up real estate and driving up housing prices, saying for a very long time buying and owning a home was considered the pinnacle of the American dream. That American dream is increasingly out of reach for far too many people.

[Jack Posobiec]

A woman in Minneapolis is dead after an ice involved shooting. President Trump has weighed in he wrote, I have just viewed the clip of the event which took place in Minneapolis. It is a horrible thing to watch. The woman screaming was obviously a professional agitator and the woman driving the car was very disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully and viciously ran over the ICE officer who seems to have shot her in self defense. The situation is being studied in its entirety, but the reason these incidents are happening is because the radical left is threatening, assaulting and targeting our law enforcement officers and ICE agents on a daily basis.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Today alone in this country, there have been four different domestic terrorist attacks on federal officers by the ramming of vehicles. Three of them happened here in Minneapolis. We've seen over 100 of these vehicle rammings happen in just recent weeks and this must stop. In fact, the very same officer who was attacked today had previously been dragged by an anti ice rioter who had rammed him with a car and drug him back in June. He sustained injuries at that time as well. No. No. Oh my God. What the.

[Daniel Turner]

My primary responsibility as governor is the protection of the people of Minnesota.

[Jack Posobiec]

And you can be assured, whether it's the State Patrol or whether it's the National Guard, their deployment is there to protect Minnesotans from whatever it is, if it's an act of nature, if it's.

[Daniel Turner]

A global pandemic, or in this case.

[Jack Posobiec]

If it is a rogue.

[Cali Means]

In accordance with President Trump's directive, Rook and I will release the Dietary guidelines for Americans, 2025 to 2030, the most significant reset of federal nutrition policy in history. These guidelines replace corporate driven assumptions with common sense goals and gold standard scientific integrity. These new guidelines will revolutionize our nation's food culture and make America healthy again.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Today, the Trump administration is proud to announce the United States of America's updated childhood vaccine schedule.

[Jack Posobiec]

The schedule is rooted in the gold.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Standard of science and widely agreed upon by scientists and experts all over the world. Effective today, America will no longer require 72 jabs for our beautiful, healthy children. We are moving to a far more.

[Jack Posobiec]

Reasonable schedule where all children will only.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Be recommended to receive vaccinations for 11 of the most serious and dangerous diseases.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live in Washington, DC. Today's January 8, 2026 Anno. Dominique. I knew I would get the 26 eventually. I nailed it today. Just want to pat myself on the back a little bit there. I'm not going to. Don't worry. I stretched. I stretched before I did that. No. So we just saw J.D. vance go there, full buck wild, full hillbilly energy as we like to call it around here, defending the ICE agents against this lawlessness that we saw in Minneapolis. Look, we don't want anything violent to happen. We don't want anything like that to happen at all. But, but the best way to do that is simply to tone down the rhetoric, to tone down the activism. And these agitators, they were following ice, they were harassing them, they were blocking traffic. And the same agent had been drug himself earlier in the year, earlier in the administration. So it's been, it's been crazy to see the response for all that. And we're going to go to a special live report from the ground in Minneapolis. We're also going to be talking to a use of force expert, self defense expert coming up in a little bit to walk us through what that means. But earlier today I had the opportunity to take part in an incredible forum, a panel and an event over at the Department of Health and Human Service put on by Secretary Bobby Kennedy himself, RFK Jr. All about the new dietary guidelines, the new vaccine schedule, everything that they're doing over there. And we're so excited that sitting down, joining us here live in studio is Cali Means, the new senior advisor, if I understand correctly, over at the Department of Health. Thanks for being here.

[Cali Means]

Oh, it's great to be here. Big day.

[Jack Posobiec]

Big day. So what can you tell us about. We've seen the new, do we call it the inverted pyramid? The Maha. The new pyramid. The new, the new pyramid. Okay, well go with new pyramid. I like MAHA pyramid. That might work. That might work. So we've seen the new period. It's totally inverted. But, and I've gone through it a little bit, my wife Tanya Tay, she was there at the event. She loves it. She absolutely loves the way that, that you're framing all of it. But was something that's really interested to me is that we are not seeing the type of backlash that we kind of thought that we would be seeing from a lot of different groups out there. And in fact, surprisingly a lot of the main health groups in America have come out and endorsed it. How did you guys get that done?

[Cali Means]

At the highest level, this guidance from the Trump administration we believe is the most significant public health guidance in modern history. We are the sickest country in the developed world. Every mom watching knows you walk into a classroom. We have five times higher obesity rates than any other developed country.

[Andrew Branca]

Yes.

[Cali Means]

We have 38% of teens as pre diabetic. There's something very wrong happening. Every mom knows that's because of the American diet. And the reason I think we're seeing such resonance, you go on social media, you see such excitement about these guidelines is because finally an administration had the ability and had the courage. And this was led directly from President Trump to his directives to Secretary Rowlands at the USDA and Secretary Kennedy. He said, I want Americans to know the truth. And this document is very simple. It's a simple statement, but it's a radical eat real food. And the headlines from this document is, we should fill our plate with whole food grown by American farmers and we should cut added sugar. We should cut highly processed crap. That's the majority of school lunch right now, that there's a majority of kids food right now. And we should cut added sugar. So highly refined carbohydrates, highly processed food, added sugar. These are very simple points. But the key is, and the reason this is so radical and the reason this is so important, the USDA spends 400 million a day on food procurement. There's hundreds of billions of dollars a year that the federal government spends on food. The majority of that funding, the majority of those hundreds of billions of dollars food for our soldiers, for our kids, for snap. It goes to junk food. The number one item on SNAP is sugary drinks. The number three item is potato chips. It's crazy. And.

[Jack Posobiec]

And by the way, I just can remember having served in the military when we would get MREs, when we would get food on the ship in the Navy, you're getting this stuff and you could tell. I'll put it this way, it was not what I was expecting would be coming from a government mess hall or a galley or a defect.

[Cali Means]

Our farmers have been shafted and big multinational food companies have seen military food. They see it as a piggy bank. Okay? This is not a funding problem. We spend a lot in America on food procurement. It's been a political will problem. But when you have SNAP, when you have 10, $15 billion of SNAP, just go to soda companies. This is a very. The dietary guidelines are a huge procurement document. And because of the Maha moms, because of President Trump, because of the courage of Secretary Rollings and Secretary Kennedy, they said no to the junk food companies. They said, we are going to put a mantle in the ground for real food and make sure our soldiers, make sure our kids, make sure our veterans at our VA hospitals get good American food. And this is going to have massive, massive impacts on the affordability and really the nutrition of food served. I'LL just say one thing. Talking to many members of the military, there's been this war that we have absolutely ended with this guidance. There's been a war on fat. They basically said if you, if you don't eat saturated fat, you're going to be healthy. And that led to the preponderance of refined carbohydrates, which has been a disaster. We've ended that war, but it's actually led until today. You can't actually serve steak to soldiers because of this denigration of fat. Soldiers are emailing us, we're eating soy burgers. They're literally serving the soldiers beyond meat or just fake artificial crap. And they're not allowed. It's not a funding issue. They have been prevented the military procurement from reaching out to American ranchers and putting steak on the soldier's plate. So for all the enlisted members watching, we are going to be getting more steak on your plate. We are getting more high quality products, protein on a child's plate. We are going to be getting whole grains, fruits, vegetables. I mean this is basic stuff, but no administration in the history of modern American civilization has had the ability to stand up to the big food companies, say, your time is over, we're going to recommend whole food, we're going to recommend real food and we're going to work. And this is happening starting today. And the US Government is getting whole food to government.

[Jack Posobiec]

And what's so key here is that people don't realize. Sure. You see the inverted pyramid, we all love it. Can't wait to see that in schools, by the way, every time. What's so key, and this is what, you know, certainly I didn't understand when I was a kid seeing the original pyramid, etc. Is that. And what I do understand, having worked in the government, is that the guidelines set the money.

[Cali Means]

The money.

[Jack Posobiec]

The guidelines are what all of these procurers, all of the, you know, the special, you know, the special service, all the GS employees have to go on. When they go for the procurement, they have to match it to the guidelines. So the guidelines set the way the government contracts and the government money is spent.

[Cali Means]

There's two principles that the administration has with maha. Americans want to be healthy. This is a free country. They should make their own decisions. But the US Government does have a responsibility to tell Americans the truth and they have a responsibility to spend money efficiently. So there's two big, I think successes and important parts of the dietary guidelines. Number one is it is important what the federal health authorities say to the American People and growing up, I think, you know, us as kids, my mom thought she was doing the right thing by giving us the crackers, the low fat stuff, the refined carbohydrates. And they were, you know, we were educated family, we were trying to do the right thing. My mom ended up getting a metabolic condition, cancer, very tied to food, died. I saw your tweet about that and we really do. She's pre diabetic, dealt with obesity. I mean, this is the average American. Americans are dying much younger than people in any other developed country.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know what? Actually, just thinking back to my memory on this is the thing that made me start to question whether or not the science, the experts, all of this were, had it straight, was eggs. And do you remember this? Because I couldn't tell, are eggs good for me or are they not good for me? And it felt like they couldn't make up their mind and they said, eggs are bad for you. Then eggs were good for you. Then only part of the egg was good for you. And now it's like, no, actually it's just eggs are good for you.

[Cali Means]

The fact that the elite medical groups have been suggesting eggs or high quality protein is the problem with American health is a scandal. I mean, you've had these groups funded by food companies, funded by pharmaceutical companies. You mentioned at the beginning. I think this is very positive. The White House extended an open hand to groups that have made big mistakes in the past. The American Heart association, the American Medical association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is suing Bobby Kennedy and many others suing the administration. We welcomed them to the White House and to their credit, they came in, they acknowledged that we have lost our way, and they have put out statements commending the courage, commending the bravery of the Trump administration. And we made it very clear to them. And we're going to be working in very good faith. And everyone watching the Trump administration is extending an open hand to every medical group, to people across the political aisle. We have to solve this issue. And yes, the food procurement is huge. Hundreds of billions of dollars of government procurement is going to be impacted by this document. If you're a mom watching with a child in school who eats one of those 45 million meals a day that's funded by the federal government, those meals are going to improve as this gets implemented. If you're an enlisted military member, you're going to see better food on your plate. It's going to have real world impacts. But most importantly, we are shipping this pyramid to every single school in America. And we hope to change the culture for kids, for parents like my mom, thinking the low fat was the right way to go. The right way to go is eating real food. Protein, healthy fats, fruits, vegetables, dairy, and a little bit of whole grains. That's the message of this document. And I think one of the great legacies of the Trump administration is that we are going to turn this around, improve the American diet. And that's the key to really getting our budget under control. You know, food based illnesses. About 40% of US tax dollars just go to paying health care on chronic conditions. We did this calculation, 50% issues that.

[Jack Posobiec]

There are other parts of the world simply don't have. You go to Europe or. And I always bring this up just. And I don't try to be like, but my wife is from Europe. And each them of specifically, they don't. They have issues, of course, but not these issues. These issues are things that are totally foreign to them because they just eat real food.

[Cali Means]

I was in Italy recently. I love the Italians, but, you know, they live seven years longer, they're all healthier. And I look at that, I'm like, americans aren't worse people than Italians. We're not lazy Italians. The statement from the Trump administration this week is Americans are doing well. They want to be healthy, they don't want to be sick. The government has let them down. The country government has not told them the truth and that's been corrected. And I think these guidelines, the courage of them, the courage to stand up against special interests, stand for American farmers, really revise common sense. Things that have been backwards for decades. It just shows to me what the administration is doing on every front. President Trump sits at his desk and calls the cabinet secretaries. I see this. And he says, go big, go hard. I've got your back. And for the first time, a president with the dietary guidelines, which as you noted, it is one of the most important procurement documents in the federal government. Hundreds of billions of dollars flow from this document. It is so lobbied. There's so many calls coming to the White House on this. President Trump says, do what's right.

[Jack Posobiec]

This was the story, this was the story of the original food pyramid that everybody thought, oh, there's the pyramid, these are the top, this is at the bottom, this is what you eat the most of. But it then came out that the way it was constructed wasn't doctors and dieticians and nutritions all sitting down together. No, it was massive lodgings being efforts.

[Cali Means]

Yeah. And unfortunately that legacy of corporate funded research was represented in the Biden nutrition report that we got, and people are asking the press, why did we turn over the Biden nutrition report? The majority of the people who wrote that report had conflicts of interest with big food companies. And the report in 2024, 2025 did not call out added sugar, did not call out highly processed food, which is 70% of a child's diet. You want to talk about the difference between, between US and Europe. 70% of a kid's diet is ultra processed crap in the United states and it's 10% in France, Spain and Germany. That is the core difference. And the Biden document, heavily corporate influence, did not have the bravery to call that out. Additionally, it said the word health equity in a scientific document 178 times. What do you do when you get health equity in a scientific document? The whole thing was an excuse to keep our crappy food system because it was would be against DEI principles to recommend healthier food to lower income people. This document puts a mantle on the ground. It says we must have a real food diet, we must support farmers with our federal procurement dollars and we have the political will.

[Jack Posobiec]

I should mention, by the way, that Secretary Brooke Rollins was right there in full support of it. She was there today. I didn't mention she was there. She was there and it was just incredible. Although I did notice by the way that at one point was there a challenge that went down? I think the. Was it the Department of Agriculture, a dodgeball. Challenged the Department of Health to a dodgeball tournament?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Apparently.

[Cali Means]

Well, we have a massive haul at hhs, so I think they're gonna have a dodgeball tournament. Okay, okay, okay. But, but, but I think it's, it's worth noting Secretary Rollins there just giving incredible comments. And the, the partnership between the entire government, the partnership between HHS and USDA that puts this document together was historic. And Brooks said this great agriculture policy and great health policy are the same thing. When 90% of our health care costs in America are tied to diabetes, obesity, really food based illnesses, the best thing we can possibly do for our country is get more of that money to farmers, get more of that money to real food. And we think Americans are ready for this. It's been unbelievable to see the reception. It's really impossible to criticize. I even ran in at the event today. There was a soda lobbyist there who said great job and we want to work with you guys. Like this document is impossible really to argue with. All of us know we have to improve the American diet. To their credit, a lot of food companies are working to take sugar out of their food, even Coca Cola. They're moving more and more to no calorie beverages. Like society is changing, the market is changing. But there's a role for the federal government to there's a role for the Trump administration to put good public health guidance forward. And we should never be sending federal taxpayer dollars to sugary drinks, to Doritos, to Ding Dongs. That happens right now. Snap completely, buy completely. And those companies are great. This is a free country. Those companies should, I hope they thrive. The subsidization, no federal taxpayer dollars. That's the message of this document and that's why it's going to have a real world impact. So, so again, this is one representation. I know there's a lot of MAHA listeners out there, but whether you're tracking this issue closely enough or not, President Trump is doing this throughout the administration. He is urging people to go bold. He has their back against special interests. And we're doing the right thing. I mean, this is just the right thing to do for the American people. And I think it's really resonating.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen to that. Kelly means I could get you on and do. We'll have to do a special where we go into this. We have date a ton of unfortunately we have a ton of other stories to get to today. Where can people go to get more information specifically on these guidelines and to follow.

[Cali Means]

Oh, real food.gov Joe Gabbia, the founder.

[Jack Posobiec]

Of Airbnb.gov it's so easy.

[Cali Means]

Founder of Airbnb joined the government and is leading design for the whole government and has designed the greatest government website in history.

[Jack Posobiec]

Real Food, the great government website. I'm thinking about the Obamacare. Kelly, thank you so much for being here, man.

[Andrew Branca]

I appreciate it.

[Jack Posobiec]

You spending the time. Thank you. All right, folks, Cali means go give him a follow. Check it out. Real food.gov want to bring on now. So I want to switch gears a little bit. We talked a lot about this yesterday and we got into the specifics of the energy markets, the world energy markets. I was drawing on my background as a naval intelligence officer understanding how world energy flows work. And I wanted to bring on Daniel Turner from Power of the Future because he's someone who absolutely understands all of this. Daniel, how are you?

[Daniel Turner]

Hey, Jack. Great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hey, good to be back on, man. Look, I was thinking of you when I saw this stuff with the Venezuelan, the tanker, all of the oil, all of the energy, the LNG that flows through that North Atlantic, the fact that the president, J.D. vance, you just heard him talking about Greenland, talking about the tanker. What does all of this means? Why is the President so focused on this? And what is the role of energy here?

[Daniel Turner]

I think the President understandably sees oil as a huge leverage. It's the world's most important asset, and we can wish it were otherwise, right? There are the folks out there who say the world should run on solar or run on wind, but it doesn't. It runs on oil and it runs the world's economy and it runs the world's military. Go back, you know, almost a decade. That very famous photo of President Trump in Europe where all the European leaders, Macron and Angela Merkel, are leaning across the table, wagging their finger, and Trump is on the other side of the table with his arms crossed, right? That was the moment that he told them they had to stop buying Russian oil and gas. It was making Russia rich. And then when Russia gets rich, you're going to come to us to bail out your problems. And that's exactly what happened. And now they come to us and they say, well, America, you have to clean up the mess we created. So President Trump sees oil as preemption, right? Let's conquer the oil now. Run the world's oil markets, dominate the world oil markets. So that then when the bad guys, you know, don't engage, you don't come to America and say, now you have to clean up the mess we created. Iran invaded Israel with oil on October 7th. Right. Russia invaded Ukraine with oil. Venezuela releases havoc in American cities with oil money. So control the oil, control the world. And I love the President. Is this bold and brave on it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I think it's incredible. Now, talk to me a little bit about, if you can, if you can indulge me a little, that North Atlantic Sea route. I mean, this is a key route for northern oil, isn't it? And all lng it is.

[Daniel Turner]

It's a very important route, and that's why Greenland is so important. And the Arctic is incredibly crucial. We know there's a lot of oil in the Arctic, but we're not sure exactly how much because it is very vast and it is very remote. But Russia is engaged very heavily there. Norway, of course, courses engaged very heavily there. So Greenland is strategically important. And why would we acquiesce? Why would he give up this land and this area to the Russians, to the Chinese who are drilling there, when America can dominate this region? So, yes, it's very important for shipping. It's very important for military and space exploration, but it's very important for metals and minerals and oil and gas. And again, my earlier point, we can wish we didn't need these things, but that's silly, right? Wishing platonic. You know, that famous Raphael photo in the Vatican of Plato pointing to the way the things should be, but it's not. Right next to him is Aristotle, who's pointing down saying, this is reality, and reality is oil and gas and rare earths and metals and minerals control the world. And if America is a force for good and we control them, then we control the world. And that is America first.

[Mike Pence]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so this is, this is an example right here of we're not saying that, you know, it's, it's that America is going to go and do another Iraq war for oil or that America is going to go do another Afghanistan or one of these things. No, it's basic economic leverage. It's using economic leverage. But also with that, with that little extra taste of, yes, we might use a little group called, called, oh, I don't know, the United States Navy, the world's finest Navy, by the way, to make sure that everybody out there understands that the rules of the road will be enforced.

[Daniel Turner]

Absolutely. And, you know, you can go back about 25 years to a document that the great Milton Friedman put together, outlying what should happen in those Gulf states after the invasion, how you can privatize the industries there and how you can build prosperous community and why that would hasten the end of the war and stability. Well, you know, you ignore Milton Friedman at your own peril. And we didn't do that. The Bush administration didn't do that. China basically controls Afghanistan at this point. You know, President Trump is looking, and.

[Jack Posobiec]

The Panama Canal, by the way, and the Panama Canal. China understands that if you want to control the world, all you have to do is control the world's naval choke points, the sea choke points, which is where the, all the energy of the world flows through. So if you control those strategic points, like, oh, I don't know, Greenland, if you, oh, I don't know, the Panama Canal, and to your point, Afghanistan, which is, of course, the key terrain right there at the center of the place where Europe, Africa and Asia meet. This is why it's so important. And yet we don't look at it that way. We somehow look at it as, oh, well, they're just going to be good players and, you know, we can, you know, we can have them in the United nations and that's certainly going to work.

[Daniel Turner]

Yeah, exactly. And that's why, you know, this, this blueprint that Milton Friedman designed for us is what we're doing in Venezuela. And I love the fact that the president said very clearly when these companies reimburse themselves, then it will be good for the Venezuelan people. This is not charity where this is not nation building. You know, only America knows how to do this. And we've built the world industry. Something that gets under my skin. You know, if you know your history, which I know you do. But you know, it was Americans who helped the czar 140 years ago develop his oil industry in Russia. It was Americans that built the Middle East's oil industry, Venezuela's oil industry, the entire North Sea industry. Americans gave the world this industry and almost all of those people have used it now against us. So I like the fact that we are going back and reclaiming what is ours. And through this we will bring peace and we will bring stability.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's really as simple as that. You don't have to do the regime change, Iraq war type stuff. Daniel Turner, where can people go to follow you and everything? The power of the future is putting.

[Daniel Turner]

Out powerthefuture.com or you can follow me on X at Daniel Turner, PTF Thanks, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thanks so much, Daniel. Really appreciate you being there. I want to go now to David Zier who's on the ground in Minneapolis. No, he's not dodging antifa. He's actually there to preview some of the work that our Secretary of the Treasury Scott Besant is doing on the ground. David, how are you?

[David Zier]

I'm great, Jack. We just followed Scott Bessant over here from the Metropolitan Ballroom on economic accomplishments and going forward and expanding the pocketbooks of the average American in a new golden age, according to him. And all these accomplishments of Trump's first year in office for the economy, like cutting a trade deficit in half. But we followed him over here to the Providence Academy K through 12 here and he is going to be giving a speech on financial literacy through Trump era economic principles to the ninth graders on up. The importance of smart savings, strategic investing and responsible financial decision making and how personal of financial and fiscal discipline, strengthens the future of the natural economy and empowering America's younger generation to contribute to long term economic success here in the United States.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now, David, we understand that the Secretary is going to be there for a couple of days. This new fraud department that's just been opened up by the Department of Justice. Do we know if the Secretary will be playing a role specifically in this investigation into the Fraud, obviously he at the treasury, he's got all of IRS underneath him.

[David Zier]

Right now. He's the acting IRS commissioner. And Breitbart reported that $700 million in cash, what cash was shipped out to Africa, Somalia in particular, and Middle Eastern countries without anybody blinking an eye. So he talked about some of that fraud in the Metropolitan Ballroom. By the way, he appeared with Charlie Kirk there last April here in Minneapolis. But yeah, it's very front and center to them. The largest scandal maybe in US history going on here, money laundering, tax fraud in Minnesota. And yes, he's taking it head on and he's taken an express interest in there. He wants to know how much of this misused money potentially went back to Al Shabaab, you know, maybe the biggest scandal ever.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate that, David. And we'll go back to you for more. I know you'll be covering that for RAV throughout the day as well as other coverage that'll be going on not just with Secretary Besson's trip, but also with the riots and the protests that are going on there in Minneapolis. We're going to cut to a little bit more of that in, in a minute. Want to go now though to another RAV correspondent. We have Benny Ray Harmony. We got people all over the place today. Benny Ray Harmony is traveling with Secretary Hegseth today on a trip to see the new Arsenal Democracy.

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Hey Jack. Yes, we are here at Joint Base Andrews here in Maryland awaiting Secretary of War Hegseth to arrive so we can depart to head to California. Now this is the Arsenal of Freedom tour, Jack. Now you know this being a former service member yourself, the strength that it takes from America to compete on a world stage is astronomical. Now this tour that we are on, we'll be traveling right on this plane behind us today and tomorrow we will be meeting with defense leaders in the industry. Now this evening we are going to be going to MEPs to re enlist and enlist some recruits where the Secretary of War will be to due doing that as well as heading to Divergent Technologies. Now this company creates the AI and the technology behind our tankers and behind our arsonic missiles and things like that. This technology makes it so efficient to do what we do. Now Jack, I know you talk a lot about Venezuela, a lot about Greenland and it's important to note in a time like this, with what we saw on this trip, we will most likely beginning to see some of those incredible machines that we used against our adversaries just in these past couple weeks. So we will be here on the ground heading to California, departing D.C. here shortly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Back to you much, Benny Ray Harmony there, original producer here on Human Events Daily. Now she's traveling with the Secretary of War. All right folks, I wanted to get into, of course everyone's talking about it, the Minneapolis ice related shooting of this agitator who to my view appeared to be ramming the agent. And I said, guys, clear the decks. You gotta call one guy, the man who wrote the book on the law of self defense. Well, it is law of self defense himself, the host of the Andrew Branka show, Andrew Branka. How are you my friend?

[Andrew Branca]

I am awesome, man. Living the dream. How are you doing?

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm doing, I'm doing well. Look, I'm sure you knew that I would be calling when, when all of this came out and I said just, just. I think you and I got to know each other really through the Kyle Rittenhouse situation. A couple of other cases that you've weighed in on and I wanted to get go to you directly to get the. Go to the horse's mouth for the expert analysis on this video because there's a lot of armchair, you know, Twitter lawyers and ex lawyers out there, but you're actually an expert in, in use of force and in the law of self defense.

[Andrew Branca]

Yeah. So this isn't a complicated legal analysis. Anyone telling you that this officer shooting of that driver was unlawful is simply propagandizing people. It's a very clear cut case. This woman pointed a deadly weapon at this officer, pointed the wheels of her car at this officer, spun the wheels on the street and it wasn't until that moment that the officer was officer drew his pistol and then she charged her deadly weapon at him from feet away. Clearly an imminent threat of deadly force harm. The shooting was completely and utterly justifiable.

[Jack Posobiec]

So Andrew, when you talk about the imminence, can you walk us through some of the elements of self defense and what makes an instance a use of deadly force applicable in a self defense argument?

[Reporter/Interviewer]

Sure.

[Andrew Branca]

So any claim of self defense is really pretty straightforward. There's only five legal elements that exist. Up to five legal elements that exist in any claim of self defense. One, you can't be the unlawful aggressor. This officer was not the unlawful aggressor. The woman was. Second, you have to be facing an imminent threat, meaning not a past threat or a future threat that might never happen, but a threat that's either actually occurring or immediately about to occur. Here are the threats. The car, the wheels are spinning. It's pointed at the officer. It's clearly an imminent threat. Third, if you're going to use deadly defensive forces, this officer did, you need to be defending against a threat that could kill you or cause you serious bodily injury. Not only is that obviously true, this same officer only six months ago was hit by a car driven by an immigration protester. He had to get 33 stitches for that injury. So he's well aware of the serious bodily injury and death risk here. Fourth, Minnesota is one of the 11 states that does impose a generalized legal duty to retreat before you can use force in self defense. But first of all, law enforcement officers are excused from that duty or they wouldn't be able to do their jobs. And second of all, you only have a duty to retreat if it's possible to do it with complete safety, which obviously was not the case here. And four, your perception of the threat has to both be genuinely believed and, and objectively reasonable. So you're not imagining it. It's not something, that's something speculative and that's clearly the case here. The officer's perception of the deadly force threat here was objectively reasonable. All the elements he would require for a claim of self defense are present substantial and the prosecution, any prosecution, would have to disprove them beyond any reasonable doubt. That's simply not correct.

[Jack Posobiec]

And we can see these videos and in fact there's some people that I've seen and of course just people analyzing the video saying that perhaps it was snow or ice on the ground that created this loss of traction when she was spinning the wheels in the first place. So it may have been that she was attempting to drive into the officer directly. Then she had to chock the wheels to be able to get that traction. And that's why she only sideswipes him. She may have been able to, or have been attempting to actually hit him head on, which of course is where.

[Andrew Branca]

He was standing, or she may have been trying to just safely drive away. I mean, who knows? We can't read her mind, but it doesn't matter. From a legal perspective, what she was intending to do is completely irrelevant. All that matters is the officer's reasonable perception of what was happening. Her intent is irrelevant to the legal analysis.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, that's exactly right. And we, and to be sure, we've seen a number of these incidents involving ICE agents, including the very same ICE agent. Kristi Noem, the Secretary of Homeland Security said there were four just yesterday in Minneapolis.

[Andrew Branca]

Yeah, so this is obviously this is all orchestrated, of course, completely stated, totally state this is an industrial level type of protest happening. And these officers are well aware, they're informed every time there's a vehicle ramming or attempt to do a vehicle ramming. And it's not unlawful for them to be able to recognize a pattern. So they're not dealing with some isolated individual criminal suspect. They're dealing with an organized seditious conspiracy against the federal authority of the United States, which they are tasked with enforcing. And they're well aware of this.

[Jack Posobiec]

So when. Now, one of the things that I have also heard and I suppose could come up, you mentioned Minnesota. Of course, Minnesota is the state that prosecuted and currently has in prison Derek Chauvin. So we certainly know that Keith Ellison and the legal infrastructure there is decidedly, just for lack of a better term, they're anti cop, they're anti police, as Tim Waltz, the governor, mentioned. He said, we are looking at potential charges for the. The officer. What kind of levels of perhaps issues of, you know, your federal government versus state government, rules of federalism, would any of that come into play there? Can the state of Minneapolis charge a federal officer here?

[Andrew Branca]

No, they can't. So, I mean, I guess technically they could bring a charge if they wanted to, but it would be immediately removed to federal court and the charge would be dismissed. The states are not having authority over federal officers in the course of their duties as a federal officer. Now, if a federal cop is driving drunk or he's committing, you know, some drug offense, obviously that's not within his legal duties, he could be prosecuted at the state level for that. But if the challenged conduct is conduct he's engaging in within the duties of being a federal law enforcement officer, he is not subordinate to any state governor or any state prosecutor. He is answerable to the federal government. Period. And that's it.

[Cali Means]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so, you know, you do have an issue of. You have a different issue of separation of powers. You have a different issue of levels of government, of federalism. And this is Supremacy Clause. The Supremacy Clause, I was just gonna say the lawyer got there before me. I've got. I'm the Twitter lawyer here. So, yes, this is. What is the supremacy Clause for the constitutional scholars and the other Twitter lawyers.

[Andrew Branca]

Like myself, really, it simply says that the federal government has law in some area. Therefore, federal law is supreme over any conflicting state law. That's why, for example, federal officers, FBI agents, they can carry concealed weapons in states where it might not be legal for me to do as a civilian, because the state might have a law against concealed carry. That state law has no effect on the federal officer in the conduct of his official duties as a federal officer. He doesn't need to get a concealed carry permit from New Jersey to carry a gun concealed in New Jersey as a federal officer.

[Jack Posobiec]

So when we hear these things like the mayor of Minneapolis say ice, get the F out of our city, or Tim Wall saying you're not welcome in our state, does that even make sense from a legal standpoint? Because the last I checked, both the city of Minneapolis and the state of Minnesota are US Territory.

[Andrew Branca]

Yeah. No, it's utterly meaningless from a legal perspective. They say these things for purposes of political capital. Right. They're on the same team as the protesters, so they're saying these things so their team will like them. But it has zero legal effect, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

It has zero legal effect. Andrew, I could go through with this so much more on you, with you. Because you know these cases and you hear people will argue these things over and over and over without even understanding the basic elements of the law. If people do want to learn more about the law of self defense, where can they go to follow you? To get your book, which I read cover to cover. It's such an easy read and every time one of these things comes up, it will just give you a basic primer to understand what it is that you're looking at.

[Andrew Branca]

The best place to find me is on X or YouTube at the Branca show. B, R, A, N, C A, the Branca show and see if you like what I have to say about stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

Go, go and check it out folks. Go look what he has to say. He's got some hot spicy takes on other things as well. But when it comes to law of self defense, there's no one better than Andrew Branka. Thanks so much for joining us my friend.

[Andrew Branca]

Thanks man, I appreciate it. Our folk.

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Nick Sorter]

Well, we have a bunch of people with waving foreign flags out here. Plenty of border patrol agents. Right behind the fence line here on my right you've got, seems like a growing crowd. The road is now blocked out here. No chance of being able to just get, let me say there's probably 30 Border Patrol agents right here, right now. But I mean keep in mind there are thousands of these guys out here. And Kristi Noem actually said that she's considering sending more to the area because Tim Waltz won't enforce any of the laws out here, won't assist these guys if they call for help because somebody is chasing them erratically down the road. Sort of like that woman yesterday from Missouri that was that ended up, I guess effing around and finding out, driving around if the local police would have intervened in that. And because she was going the wrong way down one way streets doing 60 and a 25. And that's a local police issue. If they would have intervened and pulled her over, she'd still be alive today. I'm just saying.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, so when you're digging into this, you were out there yesterday, you're out there again today. What more have you learned about the woman, about this group that was out there? Because we're hearing that the same agent was drugged before. We're hearing there were four incidents throughout the day. This seems to be from my mind, staged, coordinated, orchestrated.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, there was that. Also the other part that came out about her wife being there on the scene. Just happened to be standing there outside of the vehicle filming when the entire thing happened. How did she get to that point? Why was she outside of the vehicle filming? You're like, so what's the story behind that? How did she get out of the car that quickly? And it's almost like this was a coordinated effort. They were trying to create some sort of content with a confrontation with ice. However, I don't think they believed that that wife would have been stupid enough to run over an ICE agent or attempt to run over an ICE agent and end up with a bullet in her head. But they were definitely, definitely attempting to stage some sort of confrontation. And a confrontation they got.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and there's so much, you know, that you can comment on this. I certainly have been talking about this that, you know, I saw a TikTok video that my friend Cassandra Fairbanks posted up where a woman was saying, oh, I was driving around Charlotte recently also looking to do the same type of behavior. And so they're using. You see these women who are using Instagram, who are using Facebook to reach out to one another saying, hey, go. Go and block ice. Go and impede an ICE operations. And if you take someone who's never actually faced consequences for anything in your life or had to be held to account for anything, and tell them that, oh, this is just another thing you can do for, I don't know, social media clout or something, they may not even realize the severity of their highly illegal and violent actions.

[Nick Sorter]

Right, absolutely. And you think a lot of these things have been going on and they've made martyrs out of the. The people that have rammed ICE vehicles and stuff and. And touted them as heroes. You saw that happening a lot in Chicago. Right. And. And a lot of these people were able to get off on these charges as well, because they weren't. There was no. No Chicago jury that would even indict them. Because, you know, attacks on ICE agents are encouraged. And one of the things that they do is they've tainted the jury pools at this point where they coach them through this and tell them that even if the person you know is guilty, you can still nullify it. You can still refuse to indict them. Just stand your ground and do so. You're doing the right thing for the world. It's all these usually liberal white women, for whatever reason, are the easiest to brainwash. You know, before I even knew, and I knew pretty quickly, I'm actually the one that broke the story about her being a. A white US Citizen female and a lesbian. And so we got that out quickly. None of that was surprising. Right. I don't know what's going on in the white women world, Jack, but somebody needs to do some research into that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, no, I'll hit you up offline about that because I've been. Let's just say that I know someone who is conducting some very, very close friends research on that right now. But. But again, at the same time, this is an act of violence against federal law enforcement. This is Bolshevism. And we see the Bolsheviks do this every single time. They want martyrs. They want these false martyrs. They want these false heroes to be able to prop up and say, oh, look, look what is done. Because what do they do? So it's, it's. The basic technique is called Darvo, and I talk about it all the time. So deny attack and then reverse victim and offender. Deny what was done. Attack the person who defended themselves, and then you reverse victim and offender. So you always must reverse victim and offender. This is key to a Darvo attack. And that's exactly what we're seeing here every single time. And once you know what the key elements of a Darvo attack are, you will begin to spot them up over and over and over. Because the media constantly does it, the left constantly does it, and the Bolsheviks have been doing it for over 100 years.

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, and Tim waltz and Fry are using that to their full advantage because unfortunately, there's only so much time in the day to talk about a story and they have now made this the largest story. The only thing that they're hoping is going to happen more that hasn't happened yet is maybe we have to sacrifice a few innocent people's homes, maybe a couple dozen of them, a few businesses. Jack, you go out to George Floyd Plaza, which is only less than a mile away from, from from where the shooting occurred yesterday, and it's still charred to a crisp. It's still pretty much a no go zone for police officers. Like half of the city is at this point and it'll never be rebuilt. Why would you build your business in that area? Nobody's going to insure you in that area, Especially when cops don't respond. And I fear that that's going to happen to more people this weekend because it only takes like one antifa activist agitator really, to go and start setting things on fire and then the rest of them join in. They're like sheep and they've always been that way. It's easy to get this crowd to Nick.

[Jack Posobiec]

What can you tell us about violence, chaos? Are you seeing anything happening? How did last night go? Are we seeing things? Anything kick off tonight or today? And do you think things will get hot again tonight?

[Nick Sorter]

Yeah, I definitely think things will get hot again tonight. I think they've been. They spent a lot of the morning building barriers out of stolen goods that they were taking off the front porches and, and people's trash cans are being used to create barriers because they think I guess that ICE can't, you know, just knock over their pallets or whatever and keep driving through. I mean, they have this false sense of. Of power, these, these leftists out there that really have nothing to lose. And last night I went out there. I think I made it about two minutes before I got spotted and. And we very quickly got overwhelmed and started walking down the road. I didn't want to walk straight to the car. Right. Because I didn't want them knowing what vehicle I was in and follow us because I had a feeling that Minneapolis police wasn't going to help us. I had two security guards at the time, and they, like, told me to pull out almost immediately because they just could not cover me. And so we called 911 for 20 minutes. They were telling me they were responding to a place that's not very far from downtown Minneapolis. There are cops everywhere. And then 20 minutes later, they call me back and tell me they're not coming and good luck. You got to try to get to a different location. So that is now a no go zone for police officers. That's exactly what you saw at the start of Chaz and Chop.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, I was just going to say this. It seems like when you look at the barriers, you look at the drop to police in Police George Floyd Square, the exact same thing happened. What we're seeing is another type of Chaz zone, another autonomous zone, where you're going to see them try to set this up and try to essentially take this territory away from the confines of US Government and the ability to actually enforce the law there. It's really as simple as that. So you're saying that they're. They're starting to set up these barricades. Have you seen or do you have any indications at this point? Certainly, you know, I would be. I would be cautious of this, but do you have any indication that any of these protesters are out there? These agitators are armed?

[Nick Sorter]

I would imagine they probably. It's a pretty dicey area to begin with. Right. And so, I mean, they've had a problem with murders out there for quite a while, especially among the illegal community. And so do they have guns out? I'm sure they. I'm sure they do. And they're just. A lot of these people don't have anything to lose, Jack. And I think they're heroes. By going out and taking one of us out, they would love to be able to take that trophy. And that's why it's so freaking dangerous for us to go down there. You know, you try to. Try to be as secure and safe as you can, but there is a huge risk that you're running every time. And a lot of security companies won't even touch it for that reason because it is so hot down there. Especially the ones that were here in 2020. They know what's possibly coming and. And that's why they're bringing in a lot of dhs. At least my sources within DHS are worried about what's going to happen this weekend. In particular, people coming in from out of town. The weather is not warm, but it's not nearly as cold as it usually is this time of year. It's. It's like 40 degrees right now. When I first got here, it was negative one, if that gives you any idea. Much nicer winds are low and that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Temperature is going to drop in the evening. Well, Nick, I remember you mentioned yesterday that you were asking for some. Some security. You were asking for some backup. Well, I just want to let you know that we here at Human Events heard what you had to say, and we have reinforcements en route to human you right now. We got some backup for you. Let's. Let's not say exactly what the plan is, but reinforcements are in route. Nick Sorter. Where do people go to follow you?

[Nick Sorter]

Follow me on X at Nick Sorter. Nik S O R T Appreciate you having me, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

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