Human Events with Jack Posobiec, April 14th, 2026

Summary

Human Events with Jack Posobiec – April 14th, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Jack Posobiec
Key Guests: Madison Cawthorn, Kevin Posobiec, Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Main Themes: Irish Protests over Economic Strain, Culture of Corruption in Washington, Political Psychology & Accountability

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Episode Overview

This episode of Human Events dives into two major themes:

1. Live coverage from Dublin of protests against economic hardship and government spending priorities in Ireland, with on-site reporting from Kevin Posobiec and direct testimony from Irish protesters.
2. A deep discussion of the recent resignation of Congressman Eric Swalwell following a scandal, positioning the incident within a broader critique of widespread corruption and moral decline among American political elites. Madison Cawthorn returns to discuss his prior warnings, and Dr. Chloe Carmichael provides a clinical analysis of political corruption psychology.

Throughout, the conversation centers on issues of sovereignty, elite accountability, personal responsibility, and the manipulation of power.

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1. On-the-Ground: Irish Economic Protests

[03:37–08:19]

Key Discussion Points & Insights

• Protests at the Dáil (Irish Parliament):
  Kevin Posobiec reports live from central Dublin, amid widespread protests. Protesters from all political backgrounds unite over dissatisfaction with government economic policies, particularly fuel and excise taxes that have sharply increased the cost of heating oil and living essentials.

• Grassroots Voices:

  • Protesters describe increased hardship, especially for retirees on fixed incomes, “a choice now, food on their table or heat in their house. That’s a difficult choice to make for anybody.” — Irish Protester 2 [05:14]
  • Protest actions are non-violent and largely supported by the public; officials respond with a notable show of force. “Every turn on the motorway on the way up was blocked by guards... but I guarantee you they’ll be all gone back in a week or a fortnight.” — Irish Protester 2 [06:15]

• Root Complaints:

  • Not just about fuel: overpopulation, groceries prices, housing crisis, failures in the health service, and prioritization of migrant welfare over Irish citizens.
  • “It’s a whole lot of things that are an issue. Money going out of the country. We are struggling. We need support, or government – by a government who cares.” — Irish Protester 3 [07:10]

• Blame and Sovereignty:

  • Accusations that EU/Brussels policies and migration are taking resources from native Irish workers, farmers, and families:
    “Family farmers... only to have the government of Brussels come in and hand it over to third world Algerians and Somalians and migrants. Give them all the money... not a penny to the Irish farmer, to the Irish worker.” — Jack Posobiec [08:30–10:15]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “The Irish people are banded together... this is across party lines; it doesn’t matter if you’re on the left or the right.” — Kevin Posobiec [03:53]
• “You just don’t turn the army on Irish people.” — Irish Protester 1 [04:39]
• “We still pay their wages, which is not right.” — Irish Protester 1 [07:06]

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2. U.S. Congress: Corruption and Moral Decay

[12:21–31:58]

The Swalwell Scandal and Systemic Corruption

• Swalwell’s Resignation:
  Jack Posobiec breaks the story of Congressman Eric Swalwell’s resignation after compromising videos emerge, allegedly featuring improper conduct with an escort. He frames this as evidence of a pervasive culture—not a one-off.
• Culture of Innuendo, Blackmail, and Career Destruction:
  Madison Cawthorn joins to recount his experience exposing corruption in Washington, describing systematic retaliation for breaking with “the Swamp.” He describes how new members are lured into silence by promises of power—or attacked if they resist.

  “I called the Swamp out... They unleashed all hell upon me, trying to destroy my name... to cover up the sexual perversion and drugs inside of Washington D.C.” — Madison Cawthorn [17:27]

Key Systemic Failures

• Culture of Complacency:
  Most members, Cawthorn alleges, quickly accept that “the wave is going to crash. I might as well just ride it as long as I can.” [17:27]
• Revenge and Career Threats:
  When someone resists, “they’re going to make your life very, very difficult... They wanted to use me as somebody that said, hey, this is somebody who can talk to millions... If we can take him down, imagine what we can do to you.” — Madison Cawthorn [20:30]
• Entrapment and Blackmail:
  Parties and inappropriate invitations are often methods for gaining leverage via compromising material. “If you are... in a normal town in the middle of, you know, good old Heartland of America and three outrageous looking, you know, tens walk up to you... They are there to hold leverage over you.” — Madison Cawthorn [25:19]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “They're treating it like an 18-year-old on campus. They're not in Congress to serve, they're there to party." — Jack Posobiec [23:07]
• “There's a lot of videos out there... I just highly recommend that you do the right thing and go ahead and resign.” — Madison Cawthorn [29:59]
• “...they find people in these towns across America who aren't necessarily that funny or attractive or successful on their own, and they bring them to D.C. and then they throw tens at them and it gives them leverage..." — Jack Posobiec [33:29]

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3. The Psychology of Power & Corruption

[33:49–52:59]

Expert Analysis: Dr. Chloe Carmichael

Key Psychological Dynamics:

• Attraction, Status, and Manipulation:
  Dr. Carmichael explains that certain power-seeking personalities, often with a need for external validation or nurturance, are particularly susceptible to manipulation—especially via sexual or social incentives.
• Physical and Mental Effects:
  “It’s actually been demonstrated that men’s IQ points will literally drop when they’re in the presence of a super, super attractive woman.” [35:00]
  This, combined with status elevation, makes many officials easy targets for seduction and blackmail.
• Addiction and Escalation:
  Repeated transgressions create a cycle: “When somebody is addicted to something, they’re chasing an increasing high... The first time, it just starts off with an inappropriate flirtation... then it escalates.” — Dr. Chloe Carmichael [37:13]
• Ego and Leverage:
  “That same ego issue becomes a double risk... They could be particularly vulnerable to some of the ugliest kinds of blackmail.” [40:06]
• Culture of Excuse-Making:
  Dr. Chloe pushes back on “sex addiction” as an exculpatory diagnosis: “It’s also disempowering to the addict... it not only inappropriately absolves the person of responsibility, but it can also rob them of their agency.” [45:31]

Personal Responsibility Above All

Both Posobiec and Carmichael emphasize that circumstances or trauma do not absolve responsibility:

“It’s not what happens to us, it’s what we do with it... this means it’s actually within your control.” — Dr. Chloe Carmichael [50:49–51:44]

Memorable and Light Moments:

• “See, sweetheart, this is how I can be so smart on air but then when I get around you... my IQ drops...” — Jack Posobiec (playful aside to his wife Tanya Tay) [35:22–35:43]
• “You do not get to blame your problems or your decisions or your actions on society or some nebulous ‘I’m a sex addict.’ No, it doesn’t work that way.” — Jack Posobiec [47:13]

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4. Conclusion and Reflections

[52:59–End]

• The episode closes with a reinforcement of the underlying theme: true leadership requires accountability, not excuses—whether grappling with economic justice in Ireland or rooting out corruption in Washington D.C.
• Dr. Carmichael plugs her book: “Can I Say That? Why Free Speech Matters and How to Use It Fearlessly,” tying the importance of free speech to the exposure of truth and pursuit of personal agency.

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Highlight Timestamps

• [03:37–08:19]: Irish protests: economic grievances, direct testimony from protesters
• [17:27–23:07]: Madison Cawthorn’s exposé of Congressional culture and retaliation
• [25:19–29:59]: How bad behavior in Congress is normalized and leveraged
• [33:49–41:46]: Dr. Chloe explains the psychological traps for politicians in D.C.
• [45:31–51:44]: Personal responsibility vs. “addiction” and pop psychology
• [52:52]: “Can I Say That?” book plug / final thoughts from Dr. Carmichael

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Summary Takeaways

• Ireland’s working class is at a breaking point, unified in anger over government priorities and austerity, feeling betrayed by leaders and international interests.
• The U.S. political elite mirrors this betrayal, plagued by a self-preserving culture of corruption, evasion, and moral weakness, as laid bare in the Swalwell scandal and Madison Cawthorn’s testimony.
• Underlying all: a call for transparency, personal responsibility, and the courage to challenge the systems of power—by both citizens and those who represent them.

Transcript

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[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

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[Madison Cawthorn]

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[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Christ is king. All right, Jack, we're here live Human events daily. Want to go on the ground now to Dublin, Ireland, where Kevin Posobic is. Is there with a crowd of Irish patriots. Kevin, tell us what's going on and who you're with.

[Kevin Posobiec]

So we're out front of the doll right now and I'm here with a group of Irish patriots here. Fortunately, they just passed uphold confidence in this corrupt government. I think it was 92 to 78 votes, but we're still out here. You know, there's people all around. All the streets are blocked off and we're protesting these fuel spikes, these excise taxes, these vat taxes. The Irish people are banded together. This is a cross party lines. It doesn't really matter if it's you're on the left or the right. There's no farmers, there's no food. So these are all hard working people. You know, they're standing as strong.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, show us the crowd. Yes, show us the folks.

[Kevin Posobiec]

So. So you guys have anything to say in here for the protest earlier?

[Irish Protester 1]

Yeah, we came in big numbers this morning. We're blocked under oars coming in. The Irish government is 100% wrong just to turn the army on Irish people. Last week you just don't do it.

[Kevin Posobiec]

Yes, they had the army come in to try and take these people out on Sunday over on o' Connell statue on the bridge there.

[Irish Protester 1]

Impossible for small businesses surviving this contract.

[Kevin Posobiec]

That's right, the small business, the grassroots there aren't unions. You know, they're kind of protect. They got a deal for the fuel. But these are all, you know, blue collar workers. You're talking about American Workers, you know,

[Jack Posobiec]

and what do they. What do they want, Kevin? What do they want?

[Kevin Posobiec]

What do you guys want?

[Irish Protester 2]

Ultimately, at the end of the day, a fair trial, you know, like the price of heating oil has gone from 105 to 182. Three months now. I'm young, I'm working, I can afford to put in a couple of extra shifts and I can do that for retired people who've given 40 years of their life. They're in a fixed income. They've got a choice now, food on their table or even their house. That's a difficult choice to make for anybody. So this is for me, that's what this protest was about. We went out, we blocked the roads. The other day, one of the main archeries coming into Dublin, myself and a couple of friends, we blocked the road. 17 out of 20 people who were coming up were popping the horns and giving us thumbs up. We were sending them in the wrong direction. We weren't sending them in the wrong direction. We were moving them on the old road. But they didn't care because they knew we were there for a cause. Now, 13 vehicles, there was five. Garda car came up to move us

[Madison Cawthorn]

on

[Irish Protester 2]

right now, the numbers that were staggering. If I have a problem and I phoned for guard, a car could take three hours for driving, but that day

[Madison Cawthorn]

they were less than half an hour.

[Irish Protester 2]

Now, we were asked to move. There was no. There was no violence. The guards were perfectly respectful to us. Are you happy to move? We're not happy to move, but we. We'll do what we were asked. That's it. So, as I said, every. Every turn on the motorway on the way up, that was blocked, that was blocked by guards. The guards were showing the presence. Give them a week or a fortnight and I guarantee you they'll be all gone back in, as you guys in America say, eating donuts. Where do we.

[Irish Protester 1]

Where do we go from here? Like, they're doing it alike now. They got two deaths today. They can't call a vote for six months again.

[Irish Protester 2]

It can be a very long six months with protest.

[Irish Protester 1]

We still pay their wages, which is not right.

[Irish Protester 3]

And it's not just about the fuel. It's the overpopulation for the cost of living for groceries, it's the housing crisis, it's the health service bypass. It's a whole lot of things that are an issue. Money going out of the country. We are struggling. We need support over government by a government who cares.

[Irish Protester 1]

Loads of money there, rich.

[Kevin Posobiec]

There's loads of money there. Yeah,

[Jack Posobiec]

you're allowed to make money.

[Madison Cawthorn]

We have plenty of money for everyone else.

[Irish Protester 3]

Can I just say, okay, sure. It's a Tuesday. We have special things to be doing on a Tuesday here for our livelihood, for our children's livelihood and for the future of the generation. We have other things to do. These are majority of farmers. They have crops to look after.

[Kevin Posobiec]

That's true.

[Irish Protester 3]

Animals look after.

[Jack Posobiec]

And Kevin, who's, who's getting, who's the government putting the priority on right now? Is it the migrants that have come in or is it the farmers and the working class of Ireland?

[Kevin Posobiec]

Well, it seems that the government upheld the confidence in their taxes, which would include, you know, iPass centers and.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, folks, Yeah, a little bit of a signal issue there. Coming all the way from Dublin, Ireland, but there's incredible footage of Kevin Posobec and the workers of Ireland, the fishermen of Ireland, the farmers of Ireland, family farmers, families that have farmed their land for generation upon generation only to have the government of Brussels come in and hand it over to third world Algerians and Somalians and migrants. Give them all the money. And then when the fuel shortages come, is in because of the Strait of Hormuz. It's all intrinsically connected, all connected. When the fuel shortages hit, who does the government go to bail out? They bail out the migrants, they bail out the strangers, the strangers from foreign lands. Those are the ones that are bailed out. But who are the ones that are not given a cent, not a penny to the Irish farmer, to the Irish worker. And that is why the farmers of Ireland, that's why the people of Ireland, they have had enough. They called it the last straw. It's the last straw. You've handed away our sovereignty, you handed away our lands and in many cases women, children, raped and murdered the daughters of Ireland. And now to hand away their livelihood, farmers who may have to sell their lands, their family's land, because of all this, because of Brussels. They've had enough. And that's why the protests will continue in Ireland. Jack Posobic Right back, Human Events Daily.

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[Madison Cawthorn]

Well, Jack, I'll tell you, it seems like I'm having a flashback to my time spent in Congress. And, you know, I came out and said what was going on inside of Washington, D.C. something that I assumed was common knowledge all across America, which rightfully so, it is. But the Swamp did what the Swamp always does. They systematically targeted and attacked. You know, the Swamp is so accustomed. The unit party I'm talking about, both sides of the aisle is so accustomed to patriots getting elected to Congress, getting there for the first time, and then them realizing, oh, this is too big of a problem for me to tackle on my own. I really am not going to be able to get anything done. And these people are offering me power, they're offering a position, they're offering me money. Why would I try and mess up this apple cart? Obviously, this wave is going to crash. I might as well just ride it as long as I can. I called the Swamp out, and then when leadership called me into the office, said, hey, listen, we can make sure you have a swimming primary. Everything's going to go great. You'll have a great election. We just need you to be a team player. I held my ground and I said no. And you saw exactly what happened. They unleashed all hell upon me, trying to destroy my name, trying to destroy the reputation of myself and the reputation of my family. But even that wouldn't stick, Jack. It wasn't enough. So then they changed my state constitution to then go in and redraw my congressional district to give me a very moderate, easily confused and easily manipulated district. Why do they do this, Jack? Because they wanted to cover up the sexual perversion and the drugs that are being done inside of Washington D.C. and, Jack, I don't have to wait for vindication. That came just now when we saw Tony Gonzalez have everything that came out with him. What happened to Eric Swallow, which has been, you know, the fact that it hasn't come out earlier is insane because he sleeps with Chinese spies. But really, just mere months after I was ousted out of office by members of our own party, and on the other side of the aisle, then we saw sex tapes coming out of staffers videotaping themselves inside of the Senate hearing chambers. And then we find cocaine inside of the White House. This kind of behavior inside of Washington, D.C. is pervasive. I thought it was disgusting. I thought the American people needed to know. And this swamp destroyed me for it. And that's why I'm coming back with a vengeance.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and Madison, we see these, you know, the videos that Martin and myself released. There's also, I think the New York Post has a video, this yacht party that's running around. And these are videos that were out there. These were guys. And here's what gets me on this. All right? Here's what gets me on this. It's not just the videos being there, but just that. What is this culture? What is this culture of our highest elected officials that this is what they're doing behind closed doors? And they don't seem to be trying to hide this very much. They don't seem to be bothered by this very much. Help me to try to understand what it's like when you're sitting there in a seat like that and then you find out that this is what's going on after hours.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Well, I'll tell you, you're kind of walked through something. When you start talking to your staff about it. You know, the rumor mill starts going up saying, oh, well, know, Madison Cawthorn said this, or this person's thinking about ousting this person for that. And then you're kind of, you know, by third party and by proxy, you're let know that, hey, if this happens, you're going to be sued for this, you're going to be sued for that. You're going to be attacked for this. You know, maybe you got a speeding ticket here, or then we're going to call your governor and have your. Your state police try and give you tickets every second that you can. They're going to make your life very, very difficult. And, you know, I live a pretty great life. I have an amazing family. My friends are really true and loyal friends. So I felt pretty untouchable. I'm financially extremely secure, blessedly so. You know, the only thing not going for me is the fact that I can't really stand up. Aside from that, I've got a golden life. But even me, they were able to attack so ferociously and so aggressively and they wanted to use me as somebody that said, hey, this is somebody who can talk to millions of people with the press of a button. He gets more news and more press coverage than anybody else inside of Congress. He speaks at all the major events. He's a, you know, a superstar within the MAGA movement. And if we can take him down, imagine what we can do to you. And that is essentially what the environment is like inside of Washington, D.C. and, you know, you ask yourself, well, obviously, if that was the case, so many people would stand up. My friends, look at the country we've lived in for the last eight decades. You know, whether it's because of. Of outside influence coming from super PACs or whether it's because of, you know, the, the threat of your legal action being carried out against you for slandering somebody's name or whether that's the actual threat of them trying to take your seat away from you. For many people, this is the greatest job that these people have ever had. It's the first time they've ever felt like they were cool and funny in their entire life. And so they're trying to do everything they can to not upset the apple cart. And then if it's, they're not going to be able to threaten somebody when it comes to carrots of sticks, then they'll offer them carrots. They'll say, well, wouldn't she like the subcommittee chairmanship? Imagine all the good you could do if you didn't take this one guy down because he was just having a little fun. And now, listen, I'm a guy's guy. I like to go have a good time. I like smoking a cigar and having the appropriate amount of drinks and having a good time with my friends. But it's very different when you are somebody who's inside of Washington, D.C. who's married and who's out, you know, just gallivanting with women and, you know, Eric Swalwell listening. That looks a lot like hookers in the bed with him with to me. And I think that should include some criminal prosecution, but I'll leave that up to the doj.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and I mean, look, it's real simple and we got a quick break coming up. But look, I'm not in Congress, but, you know, I work eight hours a day, sometimes 12 hours a day, sometimes more. I don't have time to be away from family, out at clubs or on the yachts and doing all this. And yet here comes this congressman who's paid by the taxpayer to do his job, and he gets to live the life while, you know, he's supposed to be serving while the rest of us, you know, were over here working. They're treating it like an 18 year old on campus. They're not in college for the education. And you know, you guys, you're not in Congress to do that. You are there to serve. You're there to serve the people. When you stand up and put your name on a ballot, you are doing that for the people of your district. And instead that unfortunately, I think this confirms so many people's view of what actually goes on in Washington D.C. and in these circles, which you of course talked about and rang the alarm bells about several years ago. Right back Jack with Sokka Men's Dale Real America's Voice Human Events daily. You talk about influencers.

[Kevin Posobiec]

These are influencers and they're friends of mine.

[Jack Posobiec]

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He's got a great guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right folks. Jack back live Real America's Voice Human events daily. We're talking about the fall of Swalwell, but also this culture of corruption, moral corruption and decay in Washington D.C. and it's, it's shocking in the sense that everybody seemed to kind of know about this and yet, you know, we don't usually get video confirmation the way that we have with Congressman Eric Swalwell here. But Madison Cawthorn, we're on with you. And you've talked about this openly and you took furious slings and arrows when you did talk to us. You know, what's it like? You're in Congress and then you get invited to something like this. You hear about this, what's the reputation of these types of things? How does it, it start normally?

[Madison Cawthorn]

I mean the way I found that these things start getting taken off the ground is that, you know, it starts out, you're just at maybe a donor dinner or you're getting dinner after a late night of votes. And then you know, you, everyone has friends inside of Congress so you start hanging out with friends and then maybe you're grabbing drinks or you're on the way back to Capitol Hill. You're go heading back to your homes and then you know, you start building these relationships and then you know that just it most congressmen like to hang out with other congressmen just because there's so many problems when you hang out with either staffers or there's people with different angles, other parts of the, of the, the beltway. And I will tell you normally the way that I, I came across this is that people started inviting me saying, hey, why don't you come back and, you know, my wife would love to hang out with you and we could see what could be going on here. And, you know, I think we'd have a really good time if we all got together in this way. And then you just started piecing together. You say, well, wait a minute, what kind of invitation are you inviting me here? This sounds really weird. What do you mean, leave my phone at the house? That doesn't make any sense. All these random things that they're saying and it becomes very clear that, you know, they're looking, that that's the big one is just, hey, you know, check your phone at the door, that kind of thing. And, you know, I had no interest in anything like that. I've got a phenomenal life. You know, I was. I was only 25 years old when I was in Congress. And so that interested me not whatsoever. But, you know, I thought that the majority of people inside of the United States of America were very cognizant of that. And so I came out and talked about it and they tried to destroy me for. And I'll tell you, there were 16 people that, you know, I really hold responsible for the people that were the architects of trying to take down my political career. And I want you to ask yourselves, out of all the people who notably came out against me or who, you know, sent funds to make sure that I was pushed out of Congress, ask yourself, where are those people now? And I'm very happy that I was able to take the majority of them down or the majority of them are now out of office or have terrible personal lives at this point. But I will tell you, you know, there are so many people inside of Washington D.C. that have much worse on them than what's going on inside of this video. And normally it's used so that people can hold this over their head for certain kind of votes. I mean, you know, whether it's a honeypot operation or whatever it is, but in the most circumstances, and this is something that I would tell anybody when they get elected to Congress is, you know, hey, you are not that funny. And you do not just randomly get significantly more attractive if you are in some normal town in the middle of, you know, good old heartland of America and three outrageous looking, you know, tins walk up to you and say, hey, we'd like to have a foursome. I promise, you are not that funny and you are not that attractive. They are there to hold leverage over you. And that is what's going on. That's what these People get caught up in. And so then I, this, this is, you know, what I, what I have seen from a lot of other members of Congress is that once they get caught in these kind of rings of people holding this over their head, they said, well, you know, if this is being held over my head, might as well just go ahead and go out and have a good time. And so then they start willfully going out and doing this. Now, I don't know if normally they're out there trying to solicit, you know, prostitutes and things like that. I had no experience witnessing anything like that. But I do know that there is a lot of sexual perversion, a lot of people who do not care about the rings they wear on their left hands.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, it sounds like the Diddy freak offs, right? So that's, that's such a good point. I never even thought about it that way, that it doesn't start with the first video, but once the first video is already, you know, in the cloud or, you know, on the, you know, in the archive, it's like, well, you know, might as well just cut loose because what's the, what's the point? So he just gets worse and worse and worse. And that's, that's what they say, you know, you never get caught the first time, you get caught the 12th time, you get caught the 13th time, whatever it is. And that's what creates this culture. And that's so fascinating as well, that the idea that, you know, they're doing this together, and yet that really raises a lot of questions that I certainly have and a lot of people have about this video and about these types of parties that if he's going out there, is he perhaps the only congressman who's going to be there or friend or Democrat elected official that he would be with, because you would want to go out to party with other people who are already in the club, people who already have that sort of mark on them. And I'm sure, and I'll just ask, you know, I'm certainly hearing there's a lot of names being thrown around right now about people who he was out with. I'm not asking you to confirm or say any of those names. Obviously, we're, you know, we're, we're abiding by defamation law in here and all that. But I'm sure you're hearing it just as much as I am, especially after you've been so vindicated.

[Madison Cawthorn]

Absolutely. And, you know, I'll tell you, you start looking at the normal kind of person who is inside of Washington D.C. and I think Eric Swallow is an excellent example of this. Does he come across as somebody who is just naturally extremely confident, or does he come across as somebody who's trying to be a high achiever because he is internally extremely self conscious? That's the normal member of Congress. That's the normal archetype I found. And so these people are very terrified of going out there and being alone. And so of course they want to have strength in numbers. And they feel like, well, you know, nothing could be going on if I'm with three other congressmen. And that's how sin always works. But anybody who is surprised by this, listen, I told you this was going on in Washington D.C. the swamp attacked me for it. And many people said, oh, gosh, someone on the news said this about, you know, this person. It must be true. Listen, judge people by who their enemies are. If the swamp is attacking somebody, if they're being subpoenaed by a Biden doj, if they're being attacked by the mainstream media, just know that person is probably your friend and it's someone who's fighting for you. And that is why the swamp is trying to destroy them. And listen, you know, Jack, I know you know this. I know you're probably getting a lot of stuff into your tip lines, but if people don't want to start playing ball and start leaving office, you know, I've already taken out a significant number of my opponents, but there's a lot of videos out there. And those of you who know what I'm talking about, you know what I mean? You know who you are. And I just highly recommend that you do the right thing and go ahead and resume.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do the right thing. No, 100% Madison Cawthorn. Where can people go to follow you? You know what?

[Madison Cawthorn]

Just my name, Madison Cawthorn. You know, I had a forefather a long time ago. He was joining the Marines. There wasn't enough room on the forum to fit the last e. So it's Cawthorn, with no ease to just find me on any of the social medias because running for Congress right Now in Florida's 19th district, we're dominating the primary, looking forward to going back to Washington D.C. because it's time to start seeing people resigning from Congress and seeing powerful people in handcuffs.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, you know what they say, Madison? God speed to you. And hey, keep on rolling, buddy. Thanks, brother. I'll talk to you. Madison Cawthorn. He's a truth teller, folks. A truth teller. Jack. Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news

[Kevin Posobiec]

and the bad, but we have guys,

[Jack Posobiec]

and these are the guys should be getting policies. All right, folks, Jack Sobeck back live here. Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily. And I mean, I'm just. My head is reeling from hearing Madison Cawthorn just come on here and expose how it's done, how it happens. That. That line that he said about how they find people in these towns across America who aren't necessarily that funny or attractive or successful on their own, and they bring them to D.C. and then they throw tens at them and it gives them leverage and it gives them control. My goodness. It, you know, it's.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Is that actually how our system of government works? And I wanted to bring on here because we wanted to talk the psychology of this and not just for Eric Swalwell, but against this pervasive culture of corruption that we're seeing in D.C. because Dr. Chloe Carmichael has written so much about this, and she's an absolute expert on it. Dr. Chloe, how are you?

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Hey, Jack. It's so good to be with you. And that sounded like a super interesting conversation there with you and Madison Cawthorn.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, so here's. Thank you. And here's the line that I wanted to get into that. This bit about what is that psychological switch that you take someone, as Madison Cawthorn was saying there, who maybe wasn't so successful, they're not particularly that funny or attractive in real life, and then they bring them to D.C. or they bring them out on these trips, and now suddenly you're a world leader and you're going on congressional delegations to far flung regions, and you've got these girls who come up to you who are, you know, super attractive, and suddenly they're interested in you in a way that girls weren't interested in high school, in college. What is the psychology there that they're using to. And when I say they, I mean that, you know, special interests and others, lobbyist groups and, you know, in many cases, and others, perhaps even, you know, obviously I know a lot about this from the intelligence community because this is, you know, something that comes up quite a bit, and they use that same line. But what is this psychology? What is the psychological maneuvering that they're using to basically entrap someone like this?

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Yes, Jack, it's super interesting. There's a couple of psychology points there. One, you may or may not know this, but it's actually been demonstrated that men's IQ points will literally drop when they're in the presence of a super, super attractive woman. You know, and in part, it could have.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, wait. So by the way, Dr. Chloe, I have to say, I have to say. Right, right there, See? And because I know Tanya Tay, my wife is watching. See, sweetheart, this is how I can be so smart on air. But then when I get around you, it just, it all falls apart. It all falls apart. And she says, why can't you just say the right thing? It's because my IQ drops when I'm around you, sweetheart.

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Yes, and I love Tay Tay's posts, by the way. I follow her on X as well. So Tay Tay, if you're watching, you got a big right here. So yes, it is true, Jack, to your point, when you have those dropping IQ points, when that mental awareness, that sharpness, that focus, in fact, again, even just where the blood is literally going in the body versus the brain, those men are not making their sharpest decisions. Moreover, there's something else that's interesting, which is on a personality trait level, we all have a need for nurturance or a need sometimes even for power in a positive way. It can be an interest in oftentimes in politics, in running things and creating systems for people. The dark side of that, however, can just become a need for power and a need for control. And so that can absolutely be manipulated. As you said, when you have someone who might even say, start off innocently coming from, you know, humble beginnings and they, their heart is in the right place when they go to D.C. but then that same trait of just wanting to kind of be involved in the community and help people can be twisted into more of a manipulative control cycle.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so this, this is where it comes in. Because now suddenly you, you know, you, you can create, basically create an addict out of this, can't you?

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Exactly. And so I'm glad you mentioned that word addiction. So as a clinical psychologist, I have mixed feelings about people using words like, you know, sex addiction to get out of responsibility for what they're doing. So I have some questions about some of the assumptions underlining the so called disease model. But what we certainly, I think can all agree upon is that when somebody is addicted to something, they're chasing and increasing, and increasing high. So like you and Madison Cawthorn were talking about maybe the first time, it just starts off with an inappropriate flirtation or interaction with an office staffer and then it escalates to. Well, let's. Jack, I don't know how I know you're a family friendly show, but you can imagine that these types of activities, next thing you know, you're in a hotel room like some of the video footage that we've seen allegedly of some Swalwell. So, you know, with the factors of addiction, unfortunately, people can spiral into a deeper and deeper and deeper need to get that rush of dopamine and power and control and just a new level of feeling on top of the world that they haven't experienced before. Especially, I must say, when we're dealing with somebody like Swalwell that was on the House Select Committee for Intelligence. This can get to be extremely dangerous in terms of national security, I would think.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, no, you're exactly right. And I've tweeted this out in the past, but I'm remiss of myself to not bring it up initially that, yes, this guy's on the intelligence community and he's running around on yachts and he's gallivanting out with these evening women. And suddenly this guy has the keys to the kingdom when it comes to our most precious and most secret military operations. We're, you know, currently involved in these operations with Iran. And regardless what everyone's. Anyone's opinions are with the war, I mean, you could have, you have Americans in harm's way in situations that he knows about. We had the downed airmen a couple of weeks ago. I mean, my goodness, if someone had used him as a source of the Chinese Communist Party with Fang Fang and others had used him as a source for congressional information to get that out of him, then you could have Americans killed because of this. But, but Dr. Chloe, what, what Madison was saying was that actually it, it people like this who are attracted to power, where power is sort of, I guess, an aphrodisiac, if you will, that they, they actually throw sex at them, they ply them with these sexual escapades to make them more and more malleable, and then boom, it comes around that now there's leverage over you. And, you know, when someone's in that leverage position, what are the psychological underpinnings there?

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Well, exactly. And you know, as you're talking about there, there's a huge issue of egoism. And so if it's the very same ego that could make somebody vulnerable to being plied in that particular manner, that would, then that very same ego issue becomes a double risk. Because now they're also terrified of being publicly humiliated because their public image is so Incredibly important to them. They don't even want to admit it to themselves. Maybe when they begin to suspect that maybe Fang Fang doesn't just really love to be in my circle, they don't want to admit it to themselves, and they certainly don't want other people to know. And so then they could be particularly vulnerable to some of the ugliest kinds of blackmail that specifically because their ego is so strong. And I think maybe this is what you and Madison were also saying. But of course, people in places of, you know, intelligence and security, they would be absolutely targeted for this. And there's not only the fact that sometimes people who go into politics might have, you know, a need for nurturance that can be twisted into a darker need for power, but there can also be a need for acceptance. You know, when you're being loved and accepted and getting voted in. It's almost like a high school popularity contest. There can be kind of a bottomless need for acceptance that can get tapped by some of these, you know, political figures. So that would also be a vulnerability to, you know, a beautiful woman or, you know, somebody who knows just how to push your personality buttons. That's, you know, making you feel loved and accepted and wanted. That can be an aphrodisiac as well.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's so fascinating, and there's a lot to unpack there. But you just said. Because you're right, you know, in so many ways, you know, running for Congress is. Is actually a. It's. It's a strange thing. There's. There's no real formula for it. It's kind of just, as you say, it's like a high school popularity contest that there's. There's no real one way to do it. Every district is kind of different. There's standings, there's different interests that go on. There's different things at play. It's. It's very much about what your reputation in unity is like, which is based on so many different factors that there's even, you know, there's. I always like to throw out from political trivia that, what do I believe it's George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Bill Clinton all have in common, is that they all ran for Congress and lost before eventually becoming, you know, successful runs for president. Because running for Congress is just a weird animal, and certain people make it, certain people don't. And, you know, political operatives aren't supposed to say this, but it's just true that, you know, it's. It really is a roll of the dice almost every time because of the way that it's set up, you know, safe districts, okay, is a little bit of a different thing, but. But it's comes down to that. So you get that person, you take that person who wins that high school popularity contest, then they come to Washington, D.C. see what happens to them next. That's what we're getting into here. The denizens of the swamp. The swamp soirees, if you will. Human Events Daily.

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[Jack Posobiec]

All right, Jackson, back live. We're on with Dr. Chloe Carmichael, the clinical psychologist who's walking us through the psychology of how it is that members of Congress, who we look to for leadership, we look to for service, public service, who people, many people put their hopes in their finances in. In many cases, and then they turn out to be absolute scumbags. And how do you turn someone from that public servant into something like this? And Dr. Chloe, there's something you mentioned in the last segment that of all the things that I'd love to understand about this phenomenon that we see, the one thing that you mentioned that I thought was really important is when I mentioned about how this stuff can become an addiction to that person. You said that you had a problem with the way that people talk about sex addiction, as if it's some kind of, you know, and. And to be sure, people use it as a phrase to almost take away the responsibility of that person and take away their individual responsibility, their personal responsibility, the actions that they've done. Because I want to be clear about this, when I got that video on, I think it was Saturday night, and with the verification on it, and I'm sitting there thinking, this is a person with kids, you know, this is a person with a family, with a wife. And all I could think of was, how could you do this to your family? How could you do this to them? That I could never think of doing something that would hurt my family and my kids like that. I just. It would. The sheer thought of it just makes me, like, have a physical reaction. So when people say, oh, I have a sex addiction, you know, is that. Is that a cop out?

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Yeah. Personally, I think it is. And in fact, I believe it's also actually disempowering to the addict to suggest that this is some, you know, disease that they just can't control. I mean, what's interesting is that in the Journal of the American Medical association, when alcoholism was, you know, shifted to being a, quote, disease model, what they don't tell you is that if you pull out that old edition of the Journal of the American Medical association, there will be side by side articles of other physicians at the time saying, no, no, no, we don't agree with this. So it's actually even disempowering sometimes to the addict to say, hey, you know, this is just something you can't control. This is just a disease that you have. It not only in some cases, inappropriately absolves the person of responsibility, but it can also rob them of their agency and their, you know, personal empowerment. But you also raised an interesting point there about the video with Swalwell, is that this is somebody who not only, you know, made wildly inappropriate addictive sexual behaviors, but also chose to film them. There are many people who are sex addicts, you know, who want to keep this very private. Maybe, maybe they feel helpless to stop what they're doing, but they would never in a million years film it. There's a different level of egoism. We don't even know if he's truly addicted to the sex or addicted to, you know, the visual images of himself and thinking about people looking at that and, you know, wanting the whole thing on video, I think adds a different layer of what exactly is the addiction going on underneath it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, look, and I'm just going to say that for me, as a conservative, right, this is what makes me a conservative more than anything else is that you do not get to blame your problems or your decisions or your actions on society or some nebulous, oh, I'm a sex addict. I think Bill Clinton tried to say that at one point or something and all this other. No, no, it doesn't work that way. Personal responsibility. That is the underpinning, to my mind of what makes, you know, the difference between a conservative and a liberal is that, you know, you don't get to make excuses for your decisions. Right there, you know, there are people in poverty who don't commit crimes, by the way, you don't have to commit crimes because you have poverty, because your circumstances are not great. Go look at J.D. vance, right. If you want an example of something like that, by the way. And I would love. I would love for anyone to say that they had a worse childhood than J.D. vance, right? Just. Just go ahead and go and look, his mother tried to kill them at one point, and she's gotten better and all the rest of it. But there were some seriously extremely dark moments in that childhood. And you look at where he is now, and you look at how successful he's been. And I'm not saying that everybody can do that. I believe in talent, too, and all the rest. But at the same time, he made decisions to better his life, and that those decisions are available to anyone at any time, especially in this country. And that's why the United States of America is the greatest country on the face of the planet, because we allow people to make those decisions. So, Dr. Cloy, what happens then if you have a client in general? Obviously, I'm not asking personal stuff, but a client who comes in and says, oh, I think finds themselves falling into this, because we hear that in pop psychology all the time.

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Yeah. So, Jac, like you said, you not only don't get to blame your problems on external factors, but the good news is you also don't have to. That means you're not consigned to external factors. And so to answer your question, yeah, it's been interesting. I've had some times where clients have come to my office expecting that I'm going to do the traditional therapist thing where I just validate everything that they say and, you know, suggest maybe they are the way they are because of society or their mother or whatever. And when I start to, you know, say no, actually, you. You could totally make different choices here. And that's good news, is that you could have a totally different outcome. They tend to react one of two ways. Either, you know, they. They really bristle, and, you know, we quickly realize I'm definitely not the right therapist for them. Or they say, wow, I've. I'm so thankful I've been waiting to hear a therapist say that. So many therapists have told me, because it is endemic to my profession to want to, you know, blame everything and everybody. And we'll tell you that boys can be girls and, you know, all kinds of other nonsense. So, you know, people tend to either love me or hate me as a therapist.

[Jack Posobiec]

I love what you said there because it's. It's something that I hear all the time. And you hear this pop psychology just running all over the place, and, oh, you've got this. You know, you experience this. Trauma is another one, Right? It's always. And by the way, and I'm not saying that trauma's not real, okay? I'm not saying that none of that, any of those things are not real. Bad relationship with a parent, bad relationship with a spouse, all of these things are real. Of course they're real, obviously. And I'm not going to bring up any personal stuff, but I'm like, bad things happen. Okay, Bad things happen, but how we react to them is on us. Do I have that right?

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

And that's good news. Yes, you're absolutely right. It's not what happens to us, it's what we do with it. And, yes, that increases our sense of personal responsibility, which is a certain amount of work, you know. But I keep emphasizing, again, the good news is, is that this means it actually is within your control, how you choose to deal with it. That's, you know, one of the things I talk about a lot in my book. Can I say that why free speech matters and how to use it fearlessly is because what we say we're going to do, our belief in our ability to do what we say we're going to do, is strongly correlated with positive mental health. And so, you know, why my own profession sometimes seems so intent on convincing people that it's society, it's their parents, it's all these other things that are sandbagging them. It's really counterproductive. I sometimes wonder if maybe they just want to keep the therapy sessions cranking out or something like that.

[Jack Posobiec]

I was just gonna say, yeah, why cure. Yeah, why cure the problem? Because then you lose a client.

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[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

And you know, the sad thing is, I run courses for therapists that want to build their private practice. And I have had therapists tell me that when I talk to them about how to help clients, you know, make quick and dynamic changes. They're like, I've had them say to me, but how do you keep your practice full then if you're doing that? And of course, I just tell them, look, if you're helping people get better quickly, their friends and family will want to call you, and they will also personally call you next time that they have an issue to deal with. But anyway, I know we're here to talk about Swalwell, though I'm sure he could probably.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, this is great. This is great tv, as they say. No, because it's exactly right. And maybe I'll have to have the guys book you on another piece on this, you know, the truth about big psychology. Because it's just true. It's just true. You know, there's a model of keeping some in addiction and treating, you know, treating the problem or whatever. Or there's a model of breaking it and getting them better and getting them back on their life and which way is better for society versus which way just puts you know, a little bit more money in your pocket in the short term, hit the book again for us.

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

Oh, yes, can I say that? Why free speech? Why free speech matters and how to use it fearlessly. Free speech today dot com.

[Jack Posobiec]

Dr. Chloe Carmichael, always a pleasure and honor and so insightful. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

[Dr. Chloe Carmichael]

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