Human Events with Jack Posobiec - December 1, 2025

Podcast: Real America's Voice (iHeartPodcasts)

Episode Theme:
A critical examination of American identity, immigration, and the historical narratives that shape national policy. Host Jack Posobiec, joined by cultural commentator Oren McIntyre, debates recent events—including violent incidents involving migrants and President Trump's call for “reverse migration”—through the lens of American founding principles, history, and the perceived threats of multiculturalism and "empire."

Main Themes and Purpose

• Defining American Nationhood: Challenging the idea of the U.S. as a multicultural experiment, Posobiec and McIntyre argue that America was intended as a nation united by shared heritage, culture, faith, and values.
• Immigration and National Cohesion: The hosts criticize current immigration policy, expressing concerns about assimilation, ethnic replacement, and national security.
• Historical Narrative and Policy: The show interrogates prevailing narratives about America's founding and holidays (e.g. Thanksgiving), warning that myth-making drives policy decisions.
• Current Events and Political Rhetoric: The episode connects recent events (notably a National Guard ambush and Trump's “reverse migration” rhetoric) to larger debates about the country’s future.

Detailed Breakdown & Key Insights

1. Introduction/Current Events Overview

[01:38–03:46]

• Headline News: Jack Posobiec highlights two recent incidents:
  • An Afghan national allegedly kills a National Guardswoman at the White House ([02:01]).
  • Another Afghan faces terror charges in Texas ([02:23]).
• Commentary: Strong reaction to these events as evidence of failed immigration and border policies.
• Political Updates:
  • Ongoing investigations into U.S. naval strikes.
  • President Trump issues warnings regarding Venezuelan airspace.

2. Lessons from Valley Forge & American Patriotism

[03:54–08:36]

• Personal Reflection: Posobiec recounts taking his family to Valley Forge to honor American sacrifice:
  • “12,000 of them, including General Washington, were put to the test over one of the harshest winters… Did they quit? Did they desert? No, they didn’t quit. They didn’t desert. You know why? Because General Washington needed them.” (Jack Posobiec, [05:05])
• Point: True patriotism means steadfastness and unity, grounded in shared history and faith.
  • “Those patriots were not fighting for some multicultural, multi interfaith experiment. No, they were fighting for the Christian God." (Jack Posobiec, [07:36])

3. Defining Nation vs. Empire: The Founders’ Intent

[12:27–14:55]

• Key Question: Were the revolutionaries fighting for a modern, multicultural nation?
  • “Absolutely not… John Jay told us what he envisioned—one people, one language, same heritage, same faith.” (Oren McIntyre, [13:22])
• Contrast with Empire:
  • Nation = cohesive, self-governing people.
  • Empire = conglomerate of nations under one authority, which weakens cohesion.

4. Shared Identity and the Functioning Republic

[15:43–16:51]

• Philosophical Tradition: From Aristotle to Machiavelli to Adams, republics need unifying virtues and worldview.
  • “If you don't have a collective telos… you can't share the same virtues that will allow you to be self-governed.” (Oren McIntyre, [15:43])
• Cultural Cohesion: Increased multiculturalism, they argue, undermines self-governance and is promoted intentionally.

5. The "Ethnic Replacement" Debate

[16:56–19:19]

• Controversial Clip Analysis: Wajahat Ali (NYT writer) speaks provocatively about demographic change:
  • “You white people, you have lost and we are out breeding you.” (Wajahat Ali, quoted [17:33])
• Hosts' Response:
  • “He’s talking about ethnic replacement… If we don’t take action…the very future he is talking about will inevitably come to pass.” (Oren McIntyre, [17:56])
• Assimilation Discussion: Small, assimilable groups can be integrated; large, unassimilated groups cannot.

6. Reverse Migration vs. Ethnic Cleansing

[23:04–27:19]

• Trump’s Proposal: Advocates for “reverse migration”—removal of many recent immigrants.
  • Media/liberal critics call this “ethnic cleansing.”
  • Hosts argue large-scale migration is itself an act of “ethnic cleansing” against American identity.
  • “If reverse migration is ethnic cleansing, then what was the migration program all along?” (Jack Posobiec, [25:38])
  • The 1965 Hart-Celler Act cited as a turning point.

7. Denaturalization and the Meaning of Citizenship

[27:28–30:02]

• Trump’s Position: Will seek to denaturalize Americans if citizenship was obtained fraudulently ([27:28]).
• Debate on "Propositional Nation":
  • American citizenship as adherence to ideals vs. shared culture.
  • Example: Ilhan Omar and others who criticize America after naturalization.
  • "One of the allowable reasons to denaturalize… is if they lied on their immigration paperwork… Did they lie about loving the country?" (Oren McIntyre, [28:37])

8. The Mythology of Thanksgiving and National Narratives

[32:15–37:52]

• Critique of Multicultural Thanksgiving Myth:
  • The standard story, hosts argue, distorts history for ideological reasons.
  • “The entire narrative that basically the Pilgrim Pilgrims were these helpless idiots who landed … and they were just dying out until these friendly Indians came… is just not accurate.” (Oren McIntyre, [33:52])
• Purpose of Myth-Making:
  • “If we lose sight of those, or let the left manipulate that history…they can change who we are today.” (Oren McIntyre, [37:52])

9. Narrative, Policy, and Resistance

[36:25–42:15]

• Linking Stories to Policy:
  • The way America’s founding and traditions are taught has direct policy implications.
  • “If you know the facts, the actual facts about our founders and our founding, it will give you much greater respect for them and respect for your country.” (Jack Posobiec, [30:02])
• Advice to Listeners:
  • Read founding documents firsthand; do not accept current mainstream or even conservative mythologies uncritically.

10. Reflection on Recent Violence, Response, and Call to Action

[44:27–49:37]

• Personal Commentary: Angry reflection on the killing of National Guard member Sarah Beckstrom by an Afghan migrant.
  • “An Afghan migrant walked up to her, pulled out a gun and shot her in the head the day before Thanksgiving… and her blood spilled out across the steps of the White House. You do something like that, and there will be a response.” (Jack Posobiec, [44:27])
• Comparison to Other Countries:
  • Central and Eastern European countries cited as free from migrant crime due to stricter policies.
• Broader Critique:
  • blames globalists, multiculturalism, and EU/U.S. establishment figures for sacrificing national cohesion for vague idealism or financial gain.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Those patriots were not fighting for some multicultural, multi interfaith experiment. No, they were fighting for the Christian God.” – Jack Posobiec, [07:36]
• “John Jay told us what he envisioned for the United States. He said that the United States should be one people, speaking one language, coming from the same heritage, having the same traditions, having the same faith, sharing these critical values…” – Oren McIntyre, [13:22]
• “There’s another name for a form of government that combines a large number of nations under one state—it’s called an empire. And right now…we have a lot of people fighting for an American empire instead of an American nation.” – Oren McIntyre, [13:55]
• “He’s talking about ethnic replacement… A guy who is completely ungrateful for being in the United States, hates the people of the United States, expresses a desire to change or warp or replace the makeup of the United States and is basically just threatening you.” – Oren McIntyre, [17:56]
• “If reverse migration is ethnic cleansing, then what was the migration program all along?” – Jack Posobiec, [25:38]
• “If you don't have a collective telos… you can't share the same virtues together that will allow you to be self-governed.” – Oren McIntyre, [15:43]
• “The entire narrative…is just not accurate… ultimately this was a feast thanking God for their continued ability to live in this land.” – Oren McIntyre, [33:52]
• “If we lose sight of those, or we let the left manipulate that history... then they can change who we are today.” – Oren McIntyre, [37:52]
• “Remember the patriots of Valley Forge… Remember what they fought for, remember what they sacrificed for, and that it's time for you to do your part as well.” – Jack Posobiec, [53:00]

Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:01] – Afghanistan-originated National Guard attack
• [05:05–08:00] – Valley Forge and American patriotism
• [13:22–15:43] – Founders’ vision for America; nation vs empire
• [16:56–19:19] – Ethnic replacement discussion, controversial quote played/analyzed
• [25:38–27:19] – Reverse migration = ethnic cleansing?
• [27:28–30:02] – Trump on denaturalization; meaning of citizenship
• [33:52–36:25] – Debunking the Thanksgiving narrative
• [37:52–40:56] – The power of national myth and narrative
• [44:27–49:37] – Reflections on violence against servicemember, national response
• [53:00–54:05] – Call to honor national heritage; closing

Closing Tone & Call to Action

• The hosts’ tone is combative, urgent, and calls for the audience to resist both current immigration trends and revisionist history.
• Direct call: “It's time for you to do your part as well. Lay ashore.” (Jack Posobiec, [53:50])
• Summary: Reassertion of the need to remember and embody the spirit of America's founders, to reject multiculturalism in favor of a unified national identity, and to respond forcefully—both culturally and politically—to threats, violence, and narrative manipulation.

For Further Engagement

• Oren McIntyre: Listen to the Oren McIntyre Show (BlazeTV, YouTube, podcast platforms)
• Jack Posobiec: Continues Human Events Daily and related projects on Real America’s Voice and social media