Human Events with Jack Posobiec, December 23rd, 2025

Summary

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Human Events with Jack Posobiec – December 23, 2025

Episode Theme:
The Demise of Performative Politics—Is Populist Energy Being Squandered?

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Episode Overview

In this special episode recorded at AmFest, Jack Posobiec hosts a dynamic panel dissecting the state of American populism, the MAGA movement, and the role (or peril) of “performative politics” in 2025. Joined by Rich Barris (The People's Pundit), Joshua Lisec (renowned ghostwriter), and later Mark Mitchell (Rasmussen Reports pollster), the group delivers a candid—and at times fiery—discussion on whether populist politics rooted in authentic action is being undermined by empty rhetoric, and what the next moves must be to sustain the movement’s gains.

The conversation moves from voter frustration in the MAGA base to demographic realignments, the generational divide in the right, lessons from the Trump administration, and practical steps for activists. The episode is heavy with audience Q&A, giving voice to on-the-ground concerns about immigration, economic anxiety, messaging, and local activism.

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Panel & Structure

• Host: Jack Posobiec
• Panelists: Rich Barris, Joshua Lisec, Mark Mitchell (joined later)

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fatigue with “Performative Politics”

(04:41 – 08:44)

• Theme: Widespread disillusionment with politicians who talk but don’t deliver; demand for MAGA action over standard GOP rhetoric.

• Notable Quote:

  • “Who here is sick of all the talk with no action?... That’s 100%.” – Jack Posobiec (04:45)
  • "You go back to Ben Shapiro's version of the Republican Party and the Mitt Romney version of the Republican Party and you are cooked... you have to move forward with America first." – Rich Barris (13:51)

• Rich Barris’s Data:

  • Trump or bust voters are disinterested in GOP unless aligned with Trump-style action.
  • Initial Trump term saw huge approval; slip as administration lost focus.

2. Changing Voter Coalitions and the “New Populist”

(09:18 – 14:59)

• Panel explores:

  • The “Trump or bust” phenomenon: voters mobilized solely by Trump-style populism.
  • GOP can’t rely solely on winning over suburban voters or moderates.
  • Demographic and attitude shifts—Trump winning despite a “moderate” electorate.
  • Increasing alienation from institutions—courts, capitalism, education system.

• Notable Quote:

  • “They want not much to do with the Republican Party. They’ve seen the first year… they loved it. That’s why his approval was skyrocketing… There’s this frustration now because toward the end… they got a little bit sidelined.”—Rich Barris (07:43)

3. Generational Divide Among Right-Wing Voters

(16:18 – 21:32)

• Joshua Lisec’s View:

  • “Retribalizing” on the right post-2024—split among ‘America First’, ‘principles first’ types, and young right-wingers.
  • Younger voters want authenticity and action, not polish or performance.
  • For under-40/45 (elder millennial, Gen X, Gen Z), chief concern is economic struggle—“economics, economics, economics.”
  • Older voters more focused on foreign policy (support for Israel, Ukraine aid), while under-30s see Trump as centrist.

• Notable Quote:

  • "It does in fact seem that Twitter is real life… under 30 right-wing people, they describe President Donald J. Trump as centrist or a center left administration." – Joshua Lisec (18:00)

4. Resentment at Generational Inequity

(21:32 – 23:52)

• Under-50 voters feel they must struggle far more than previous generations for similar quality of life.

• Little attachment to “principled conservatism”; prefer action and results—even support directives that bypass Congress to address urgent problems.

• Panel references Trump’s “dictator for a day” comment—well received among the disaffected base.

• Notable Quote:

  • “They see the Congress as part of that deep state.” – Rich Barris (21:32)

5. Populism as a Double-Edged Sword

(23:52 – 34:43)

• Jack Posobiec cautions:

  • Populism can build or destroy: right-wing (Trump) populism aims to empower and prosper; left-wing populism can devolve into “grievance politics” and redistribution.
  • Leftward populism historically leads to social upheaval, anti-institutional rage.

• Notable Quote:

  • “Populism is a tool… if it moves to the left, it becomes extremely dangerous… grievance politics… instead of, we're going to build everything up… we're going to tear down everything that everyone's built.” – Jack Posobiec (24:39)

• Joshua Lisec supplies context:

  • Left “organizes the fringes,” agitating on grievances; right should focus on uplifting, accessible economic solutions.
  • “What do you want, let us help you get it”—that’s right-wing populism.

6. Immigration as the Central Motivator

(34:43 – 37:39)

• Panel and audience agree: visible, decisive action on immigration is biggest “turnout juice” for base.

• Panel laments drift of the left and special interests (unions, religious charities) now supporting mass immigration and alleged systemic abuses.

• Notable Quote:

  • "Nothing juices them more than immigration." —Rich Barris (34:46)
  • "Trump has popular support… to end every single program for the Somalis in this country to get them out." —Jack Posobiec (34:43)

7. Winning Non-Traditional Voters: The NYC Example

(36:35 – 37:39)

• Rich Barris recounts how Trump in NYC performed well among non-white voters suffering economic anxiety, sometimes also voting for left-wing populist candidates.

• The common link: candidates who promise tangible help, not abstract ideals.

• Panel Risk Warning:

  • Right-wing populism = growth/prosperity; left-wing = “democide… a pile of skulls and mass graves.” – Rich Barris/Jack Posobiec (37:39)

8. How Should Republicans Respond? Manhattan Project for Change

(41:48 – 47:20)

• Mark Mitchell's insight:

  • Approval ratings are not enough; action and vision are required to motivate a fracturing, pessimistic coalition.
  • “Only 27% of Americans think today's children will be better off than their parents… That’s horrifying.” (42:49)
  • Recommend the party acknowledge the depth of economic and generational crisis (“death of the American economy”) and develop new metrics for progress—median homebuyer age, wealth gaps, lived affordability.

• Barack Obama’s messaging remembered as a model: Lead with empathy and long-term vision, blaming opponents when appropriate, instead of “golden age is here already.” (46:30)

9. Practical Action for Activists

Audience Q&A: (47:21 – end)

• Panelists propose local activism over big-name political fights:

  • Get hyper-local: attend city/township meetings, pressure local office holders.
  • Run for office or organize “fear persuasion” on local officials (threaten electoral loss).
  • “Name and shame” unresponsive, entrenched officials—both leftist and RINO.

• Welfare and tax system reform cited as necessary issues to energize working/MAGA base.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “The best thing you can do is localize first.” —Joshua Lisec (57:25)
  • “Find the local communists in your area. Name and shame them. And by the way, find the local rhino in your area and name and shame all the rhinos as well.” —Jack Posobiec (59:12)

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On performative politics:

  • “Who here is sick of all the talk with no action? …That’s 100%.”
    – Jack Posobiec (04:45)

• On the danger of reverting to “establishment GOP”

  • “You go back to Ben Shapiro's version of the Republican Party and the Mitt Romney version… you are cooked. …If you want 78, 80 million votes, you have to move forward with America first.”
    – Rich Barris (13:51)

• On new populist voter profile:

  • “Trump won…in one of the most moderate electorates in our lifetime.” – Rich Barris (09:18)

• On generational splits:

  • “Twitter is real life… under 30 right-wing people, they describe President Donald J. Trump as centrist or a center left administration.”
    – Joshua Lisec (18:00)
  • “Under 50… feel like the 50 and over crowd had it really good and squandered it all… these younger voters do not [have that luxury].”
    – Rich Barris (21:32)

• On political efficacy:

  • “Populism is a tool…if it moves to the left, it becomes extremely dangerous…”
    – Jack Posobiec (24:39)

• On the need for empathetic messaging:

  • “You can’t go out there and pretend the golden age is here already… Obama blamed [his predecessor] for four years straight. Why? Because it works.”
    – Rich Barris (46:30)

• On local activism:

  • “The best thing you can do is localize first.”
    – Joshua Lisec (57:25)
  • “Name and shame these local officials. …They cannot stand mockery.”
    – Jack Posobiec (59:12)

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Memorable Moments

• Audience “hand poll” on illegal immigration estimate:

  • Posobiec prompts audience: “Who thinks it’s only 10 million? 20? 30? …100?” Audience laughs as numbers keep rising. (32:29)

• Panel’s warning of “left-wing populism” finale:

  • “It always ends in a pile of skulls and mass graves and bones. That's where communism and Marxism always lead.” —Jack Posobiec (37:39)

• Candid admission on polling and base pessimism:

  • “When I see these fractures in the coalition…because if you don’t put them back, they’ll go somewhere…”
    – Rich Barris (41:27)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Panel Introduction & Episode Theme: 03:37–05:26
• Demise of Performative Politics: 04:41–08:44
• Voter Coalition Deep Dive & Profiles: 08:44–14:59
• Populism’s Risks and Generational Trends: 19:30–23:52
• Audience Poll & Immigration Focus: 32:29–36:46
• NYC Non-Traditional Voters & Populism Risks: 36:46–37:51
• Panelist Mark Mitchell on Party Strategy: 41:48–45:14
• Economic Despair and Messaging Reset: 45:14–47:20
• Practical Q&A (Local Action, Messaging): 47:21–end

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Final Takeaways

• The core MAGA/Trump base is at risk of demoralization and apathy if action doesn’t replace rhetoric—especially on economics and immigration.
• Younger right-wingers and working-class voters have little affection for old-guard “principled conservatism”; they want results and authenticity.
• Economic struggle and despair over the American future are dominant issues.
• Effective political strategy must focus on action, local activism, and empathetic messaging that acknowledges the gravity of the present crisis.
• "Populism" remains a potent, but perilous, force—its direction (uplifting vs. agitating) will shape the next political era.

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Closing:
The episode ends with a call to action for local organizing, naming/shaming unresponsive officials, amplifying positive economic populist solutions, and reiterating the centrality of faith and community solidarity: “Let’s surround President Trump with support… Jesus Christ is king of the entire universe.” (62:27–62:49)

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Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Rich Barris]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Christ is king. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's special edition of Human Events from amfest. Now, one of the breakout panels that we did, probably one of the most interesting ones, I think at amfest was something where it didn't get broadcast publicly, but we recorded it and we wanted to turn that into an episode for you. So it's myself, Rich Barris, the people's pundit, Joshua Lysek, the greatest ghostwriter in the world. And towards the end, we get joined by Mark Mitchell, the honest pollster from Brassmussen Reports. And it's a panel about performative politics and whether or not performative politics is hurting or helping in the current moment. And really talking about where the movement is, where the MAGA movement is, where the Trump administration is. So this one is going to cause some sparks and I think you're going to enjoy it.

[Joshua Lysek]

Stay tuned.

[Jack Posobiec]

Good morning, amfest. Wake up, pray up. All right, let's sit down. So today we're going to talk about the demise of performative politics. And if you're in this room right now, I think you kind of already know what we're talking about. Who here? And you could let's do show of hands. Who here is sick of all the talk with no action? Okay, that's 100%. We would have 200% if I had said to put up both hands. So we're here with Rich Barris. He's the people's pundit. He's been doing all the polling out there. Love that. I am Charlie Kirkshire right in the front. We love that. We love that. Don't we love, love that, folks? And Joshua Lysek, he's here and he's written. Joshua, how many books have you written at this point?

[Joshua Lysek]

I just finished writing my 110th nonfiction.

[Jack Posobiec]

Book 110 books he's written. Joshua is the, the world's most public ghostwriter, so you won't see those books all with his name, however, multiple New York Times bestsellers, but he can't tell you what they are. Yeah, that's how it works. But he's out of Ohio, and so being a man of Ohio, he was very close with J.D. vance when he ra for Senate. He's been out there, he's understood all of these, these, these dynamics that have happened in the Rust Belt in these areas that led to the deindustrialization because of globalization and then also the rise of populism. And I would also note that he does live right down the street from Springfield, Ohio. So, Joshua, you're making sure to count the cats, right? Because the Haitians are, you know, still kind of running around a little bit.

[Joshua Lysek]

The population of domesticated felines does seem to be increasing recently.

[Jack Posobiec]

Interesting. So the feline population goes up as the Haitian population goes down 1. An incredible correlation. I can't believe it's an inverse relationship. Yes. So as, as you would say in the business. And Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen is going to be joining us soon as well. But, Rich, let's kick it off with you because, you know, you've been causing a stir lately. People are saying, oh, Rich Barris, he's crazy. He doesn't know anything. He's, he's making it all up. What do you mean? You know, people are souring. You're crazy. Trump's numbers are the best ever. This going great. And yet I do see it online. And I'll actually just tell you, Rich, before we are out here, we came out here, I did an event where I was speaking out in Indiana, in Carmel, Indiana. We had a great group of people, great group of patriots. And I had one man who got up and said, I'm sick of all the talk with no action. And he said, jack, you need to promise me that you'll go to Amfest and talk about those issues. And I said, well, buddy, I'm doing a whole panel on it, so I promise you I will. So, Rich, where is that? Is that dynamic real? Where is it coming from? And how big are the numbers that you're seeing on this when you're out in the field doing polling, specifically, by the way, in those seven key swing states that we know that Trump of the coalition and Maga and Charlie worked so much on in 2024.

[Rich Barris]

Well, first we'll talk after the breakout about a ghost, right? Oh, secondly, Jack, it Is real.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe a co author.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, Jack is real. I mean, I was right in 20, I was right in 20, 24, even 16 since the guy came down the golden escalator. I'm not wrong. Now, there is this, I don't want to call it malaise, but there is this frustration because to so many of Donald Trump's voters, these people, by the way, who I talked with Charlie over so much about, they are Trump or bust, or Trump's vision or bust. And they want really not much at all to do with the Republican Party. And they have seen this first year, and in the first couple months, they loved it. That's why his approval rating was skyrocketing. Republicans on the generic ballot were leading for most of that year. It's only recently that the Democrats took over. And there's this feeling that towards the end of this first year, the administration got a little bit sidelined. They got distracted and they didn't keep their eye on the ball. These voters were always going to be the Republican Party's number one goal and they didn't even know it was. You have to convince them that you're one of them and that you have to earn their vote. Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so you say the Trump or bust voter. I remember when Charlie and I would talk about this all the time. We're talking about those low prop voters and a guy or a girl, man or a woman, who's not gonna come out for the generic Republican, the old school Republican, the oppositional nation Republican. They're gonna come out for Donald Trump, they're going to come out for maga, they're going to come out for a populist, and they want to see that type of action. This is a working class so. So profile this type of voter for me, someone who doesn't normally get involved in politics, but gets so motivated to come out when Donald Trump's there.

[Rich Barris]

You know, it's interesting because before, during the nomination process this past year, the DeSantis campaign made the argument that I'm going to win back suburban women. And that will account for not getting these people out, who everybody. They know they exist. That was a false argument. We're in a demographic change, we're in a shift, we're in a realignment. The only way to win is to get these people out. And they are deeply disgruntled with society. They distrust everything, and interestingly enough, they lean to the right, but they don't necessarily call themselves conservatives at all. Donald Trump won in one of the most moderate electorates in our lifetime. I had to go back to Bill Clinton's win in 92. It was only 34% 32 depending on which exit poll you're looking at. Percent who said they were conservative and yet Donald Trump still won. Kind of easy. It's because of these voters. And I got to tell you, let.

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[Rich Barris]

I've listened to a lot of people speak through this out throughout this event. It's, you know, some people are using it for this proxy war of what's going to happen with the party after Donald Trump.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Nothing will stand in our way, and our golden age has just begun.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution.

[Rich Barris]

I am going to say this. I flew six hours to say this. You go back to Ben Shapiro's version of the Republican Party and the Mitt Romney version of the Republican Party and you are cooked. You're cooked. You can't do it. If you want 50 million votes, go ahead. If you want 78, 80 million votes, you have to move forward with America first. Those are the numbers. That's it. And again, profiling those people. When conservatives come out and say, the Constitution's so great and capitalism so great, these people are being hurt by this system because we're not really practicing true free market capitalism, are we? They're being crushed by it. The Constitution isn't protecting them from liberal judges or from crazy school boards. When they go to a school board meeting and say, I don't want these people allowing transgender people in the bathroom with my daughter. I'm uncomfortable with this. And the police drag him out. So the Constitution isn't saving that guy. It's not protecting that guy. So for some of us who may be A little bit more privileged than these people. We have to remember that it's a different experience. And Trump has only been the one to speak to that.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is that working class coalition that he put together, which was, which by the way, was a multiethnic coalition, which is one of the first people to call this one, to switch to Joshua here. Because, Joshua, look, I'm from Pennsylvania, you're from Ohio, right next door. You, you, you very familiar because you're literally living there. When, when you see people who were For Trump in 2024, do you talk to people now who are saying, where's the action? And actually, by the way, there's something I do want to say because you just mentioned his name. I know there's little ears in the area, so I'm going to be careful about how I say this. You just mentioned Bill Clinton. Has anyone seen those pictures of Bill Clinton that just came out last night? Has everyone seen that? That's some of the most disgusting stuff I've ever seen in my entire life. I think these files, you almost want to call it the Clinton files that just came out. It's just the Clinton Epstein files. And to anybody who said there was no there there, you just lied. You obviously lied. This always should have been made public. It's disgusting that this was kept from the American people. And we got to get to the bottom of what exactly was going on between Clinton and Epstein. Just going to, just got to say that because that was sick. I was sick to my stomach looking at some of this stuff. Just sick to my stomach. But Joshua, so when you're out there, when you're talking to people, are you meeting this type of populist who says, I don't want the talk, I want the action?

[Joshua Lysek]

Yes, I am. And I attend and I speak at and I go to various right wings political events in Ohio. And we've all heard this reference that the right is a big tent. And I think it was in hindsight and perhaps even foresight pretty obvious that Charlie Kirk was the tent pole keeping everyone together. And now there has been a retribalizing of the various right wing factions. Meanwhile, characters like Vivek Ramaswamy last night you might have heard also from Ohio, just down the road. It's a Cincinnati for me. The vision he laid out for Ohio and for America last night was a continued detribalizing. Going back to the, let's say the Ben Shapiro, Mitt Romney sort of principles. First, conservatism, America is an idea. There's this thought that you Might have heard it called magic dirt theory, right? Which is anyone can come to the United States and instantly become a heritage American sort of a concept that from my perspective is a conservatism of the past. We talk about the Constitution, our principles, heritage values. Eggs are $6. Let's talk about deportations aren't happening fast enough. Well, what about the election? We have to win. We have to. My property taxes are still too high. These are the things that I'm hearing about. I supported several local candidates for office, true economic populists for office, last year locally in southwest Ohio. And these are guys who, their campaign speeches are showing up. They're showing up in T shirts and tennies. These guys, one of them is a farmer, the other one, he is an assistant little league coach. And they're showing up saying, hey, I may not win, but I'm going to try hard. That is populist authenticity. We've all heard the expression, you have to know like and trust before someone's going to buy from you. In the past, performative politics meant, oh, so you have to know me and like me. So I'll project a certain image. I will dress super nice so that you know me as someone respectable and that you'll like me. So I will pretend, I will put up a facade that I am just like you. And through my eloquence and my tail spinning, I will persuade you to then trust me, to vote for me. Whether or not any of that is actually authentic or real. And with the various factions that I see in Ohio and also throughout the United States, it does seem that when we people say, you know, social media isn't real life, it does in fact seem that Twitter is real life. The conversations happening even among anons and the replies are happening in real life generally. Under 30 that I talk to in Ohio, under 30 right wing people, they described President Donald J. Trump as centrist or a center left administration. Meanwhile, these events I go to, people are asking, the speakers are asking me, so what can we do to better support Israel? If you're over age 65, this is what people are saying. I'm concerned that, you know, Vice President J.D. vance is becoming an isolationist. How can we get more money to Ukraine again over age 7, just out of nowhere.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you're well and I want to pee on that. So you're seeing what, an age split.

[Joshua Lysek]

There on the issues? Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

So what? So when you're seeing that, and I'll, I'll come to rich in a second here. So when you're seeing that, so that's the over, you know, over 60, over 65. What about the, you know, sort of 40, 45 and under. What, what are they saying are the top issues?

[Joshua Lysek]

Biggest issue I hear from for 40, 45 ish, like the elder millennial, younger Gen X is I have to work two jobs, mortgage payment or trying to get the first house or trying to go from apartment or renting a single family home into a home. It is economics, economics, economics, economics. And that is the message of populism. Who is going to best help the people I believe through. I'm doing a lot of work with Data Republican. We have a fun little project that.

[Jack Posobiec]

You guys know, Data Republican out there.

[Joshua Lysek]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. Joshua and Data Republican and Jenica have a book. She's here, right? I think she's actually attending. I don't know if she's in the room, but I'm not going to call her out like that. But she is attending Amfest. I saw her around a little bit. So if you see her go up and say hi and give her some love because she doesn't usually come. I think it's like her first big event that she's come to like this. So she's, she's phenomenal. And she was very, very close to Charlie in 2024. She was really one of the secret weapons. And her and Joshua are working on a very secret, very cool book that I've got to see a little glimpse of already that's going to be coming out soon. All about the deep state and how the infrastructure of it, the mapping of it, the understanding of this is the real power structure and why we can't just get people elected to office who snap their fingers and change things. Because this power structure is in place and it's called the unelected. The unelected. It's going to be amazing. Rich Barris, I want to piggyback on what I just asked Joshua that, that idea of this, this issue split that we're seeing going on generationally, he mentioned. Do you agree with what he said about the 40, 45, the sort of like elder millennial Gen Y cohort. But then also I want to ask you about Gen Z. I want to ask you about these people coming online. Politically, do you see that more of a split towards economic as well?

[Rich Barris]

Yeah. So I'm listening and I'm nodding in agreement because I mean, we'll say under 50. That's a good, that's a good, that's a good baseline too. What's interesting is, and I mean we're calling this the demise of performative politics. These people feel like that the 50 and over crowd had it really good and squandered it all and they have it really bad. And now they're going to have to work twice, three times, four times as hard to be able to have the standard of life that the people who came before them. And oh, by the way, had the luxury of being happy losers and principled conservatives, they had the luxury of that, while these younger voters do not. And when we were, even before, when we were talking about the difference in the moderate versus conservative right, these younger voters, they're much more populous, they don't even want to call themselves conservative. Right. I mean that's what we're looking at like 29% self identification of conservatives. Mark, when he comes talk to him about this, the attitudes with the 45 or 15 undercrowd are vastly different from those principled conservatives. They would, wouldn't care less if Donald Trump just pretended as if there was no Congress and just did everything he could do to fix the problem. And you know, they see the Congress as part of that deep state.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maybe, maybe just for one day. Maybe just one day. 24 hours. 24 hours. 2%, 2%.

[Rich Barris]

That's why he wasn't hurt with them with that comment. I mean you have a guy running for president who says, you know, I could stand to do it for one day.

[Jack Posobiec]

Everyone else, you guys remember what we're referencing that Hannity asked Trump, he said, they call you a dictator. Are you a dictator? He said, no, I'm not a dictator. I wouldn't be a dictator except maybe just one day and they would, and.

[Rich Barris]

It drove them nuts and they'd be okay with that. That's because they're so, I mean this is trepidation we're talking about here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Short 24 hour period to restore the.

[Rich Barris]

Republic, just a little Franco F. 24 hours, that's all. And if he gets his on, he'll be remembered for it. But people feel like Donald Trump's presidency really was their last chance. So I think this is why people have a hard time understanding. You put out a generic ballot and all of a sudden everybody's head hits the ceiling. And it's not even that bad. But it is if you can't even get those people to come out to vote because they're upset. They felt like this was their last opportunity to fix this country. That's how.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so what you're saying is that for this under 50 cohort, the, the idea is and that they think Trump isn't going far enough. It's not that 100% conservative enough. It's not that he's too conservative. He's not conservative enough. Show of hands, is there anyone out there who, who agrees with that? And, you know, we're not. You're not on a camera, on you. And I see a lot of this, I see a lot of this people saying they want more of that. They want less of the performativeness. They, they see the tweets. It's not that they disagree with the tweets, but they want to see the action that follows up with those tweets at the same time. And the danger here, and I'll toss to Joshua here for a little bit, because the danger here is that populism is a tool. And populism is a powerful tool that can be wielded by the right to immense popular success, immense electoral success. However, if populism moves to the left, it becomes extremely dangerous because the populism of the left is the populism, populism of Zoram and Dami. It's the populism of grievance politics, of instead of, we're going to build everything up and have that rising tide that lifts all boats. That's what Trump is for. That's what we're for. That's maga populism. But in this case, it's the populism of we're going to tear down everything that everyone's built. We're going to go after the banks, the churches, the businesses. Elon Musk and Zoramundami. Who? Oh, by the way, I called him out in the Oval Office to his face about this. He said that he was going to put an overburdened tax on white neighborhoods and redistribute it to people who were new migrants.

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Joshua Lysek]

Today.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, they talk about influencers. These are influences and they're friends of mine. Jack Where's Jack? Jack he's done a great job. You Just gotta. Boom, guys.

[Rich Barris]

Wasn't he great though? Did you guys see what he's talking? Wasn't he great.

[Jack Posobiec]

Mr. President? I wanted to know, one of the policies as well that Mayor Elect Mondame talked a number of times about on the campaign was shifting the tax burden for profit taxes from what he called minority communities to white based communities and putting more taxes on white people. I also noticed that in your acceptance speech you didn't mention anything about America or Christians or white people in general. And so I didn't know if that was one of the policies that you guys had spoken about.

[Mark Mitchell]

We focused on affordability. We focused on the cost of living crisis.

[Jack Posobiec]

What I will say is that I am very much interested in, in property.

[Mark Mitchell]

Tax reform because what we see right.

[Rich Barris]

Now in New York City is a.

[Mark Mitchell]

System that is so inequitable that it can't even stand up in court.

[Rich Barris]

And the president and I spoke about the importance of not only building more.

[Mark Mitchell]

Housing, but also making sure that regulation.

[Rich Barris]

Of housing is something that is manageable.

[Jack Posobiec]

To actually get through and not the cause of yet another weight that we see in our city. Mr. Clear. You're continuing this idea of race based property taxes?

[Rich Barris]

Mr. No, to be very clear, no.

[Jack Posobiec]

The, the use of the term was.

[Rich Barris]

A description of neighborhoods, not a description of intent.

[Jack Posobiec]

So you intend to tax the whiter neighborhoods more? I was, you just, you got to hold their feet to the fire. These communists. They're all liars. They lie every time. As Joshua and I would say, this is what they do. But Joshua, I'll toss that to you. Talk to me about the danger then if populism moves to the far left.

[Joshua Lysek]

Fortunately, what we did see from approximately the Occupy Wall street era, 2010 to 2012 and in 2016, via first the Bernie Sanders kind of Bernie Bro coalition and then with the Maha moms, the independents, we did see a move from economic, let's say left wing economic populists to being right wing economic populists, finding that, oh, Sanders sells out, okay, he's just another spokes boy for the regime here, right? Well, ultimately populism, as Jack said, can go either way. And populism is basically we are a people, normal everyday individual people and it's our responsibility to support them, to help them thrive, to help them prosper. Well, one of those is an uplift. That is right, the, the traditional right wing values of law and orderliness and 1940s Norman Rockwell paintings, right? That those are the aspirations. That's why we see Gen Z youth sharing those as memes that's sort of the, the golden standard, let's say. Whereas on the left, Steve Saylor, if you're familiar with him, he has a phrase called the coalition of the fringes. And what left wing political organizers have done for more than 250 years in every time, place, space and race, they do this. They will go find the troubled and the troublemakers, those who have the strongest grievances first. That was the unemployed, the working class, the. The criminal class, and various countries in the industrial period.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, gosh, I got Benny Johnson calling me. Let's see what Benny wants. No, I'll take it later. I'll take it later. We're cooking something up, folks. You'll see.

[Joshua Lysek]

Very cool. So what we, what we, what we saw is the left wing, they will organize and they will agitate. They will say, look at what they did to you. It's not about, what do you want and how do we help you get it? That is right wing populism. Right wing economic populism. What do you want? Let us help you get it. I want eggs to be a dollar again. I want to deport 100 million people. Okay? Very simple, right?

[Jack Posobiec]

And meanwhile, Wait, wait, let's check, let's check. Who here thinks there's only 10 million illegal aliens in this country? All right, 20. Who? I got 20. All right, who's going 30? Who's going 30? All right, a little bit for 30.

[Joshua Lysek]

40. 40.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do we have 40? 50.

[Joshua Lysek]

50.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, how many? Say it's 100. Oh, my gosh, this is amazing. This is such a little poll, right? It's like a focus group.

[Rich Barris]

30, 40.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's like a focus group, Right, So like one of your focus groups. No, and by the way, I'll say this, Joshua, just one of the, one of the save rounds that I had that you were mentioning about this idea that anyone can just show up in America and become an American, you know, And I like that. It's a romantic thought, right? And if you're leading with your heart, you want to say, I wish we lived in a world where that were true. But ladies and gentlemen, does Zora Mandami seem like a regular American to you? How about Ilhan Omar? How about Hasan Piker? Right? And all these guys, right? No, no, we just, we know that's not American. You don't act like American. You don't have American heritage. You're not interested in assimilating to this country. We've seen it in Minneapolis with, what is it, $8 billion or, you know, or. No, 9 billion so it's half of the 18 billion was scammed by Somalians in Minneapolis. And the problem is, when you import these people from cultures that don't have the same values as us, they don't value honor. They don't value the honor system. They don't value the golden rule. They say, whatever I can take is something good because I've gained something. They will abuse our systems and walk right away to the tune of billions of dollars. I love, by the way, Tim Waltz, after he's been caught with his, you know, letting them take all their hands in the cookie jar, he goes, well, I was always against the fraud. I was. And Keith Ellison, they got a real scandal on their hands up there, folks. And I'm telling you, we have the ability right now, the popular support President Trump does, to end every single program for the Somalis in this country to get them out. And Rich, and I'll throw it back to you, Rich, if Trump were to do that and visibly do that, and he's talked about it, to be sure, but if he were visibly doing that, what would that happen? What would that do with this coalition of voters that you're talking about, these low prop working class voters, Nothing juices.

[Rich Barris]

Them more than immigration.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's go.

[Rich Barris]

Because they see this. Yeah, they see this as an economic issue, too. It's not just.

[Joshua Lysek]

And it is.

[Rich Barris]

And it is, of course. Right. In fact, they, they probably did long before we ever started talking about it in political discourse. And by the way, here's a little bit of a warning, though.

[Jack Posobiec]

And this is what the left used to say about mass immigration and illegal immigration. Bernie Sanders, the unions, they would always say that when you import this foreign cheap labor, that it depresses wages and is downward deflationary pressure on wages. This was a left wing issue. And then they all started shutting up about it because they were getting money from the different coalitions that are bilking the system when it comes to illegal aliens and mass migration. Yes, it's the Chamber of Commerce, but you know what? There's religious organizations involved as well. And as a Catholic, I've got to call out Catholic charities. I've got to call out all. There's Lutherans that are involved as well. There's Jewish groups that are involved as well. I don't care. Don't take the name of my church and use it to cover for your facilitation of breaking the law.

[Rich Barris]

How many people are living in the Vatican lately? Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And Pope Leo, let's say, how many migrants Are you taking in Pope Leo?

[Joshua Lysek]

Yeah.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah. When we had that Tennessee 7 special election, Donald Trump came out and he posted. I'm. I am pausing permanently. Moratorium on third world immigration. The percentage of certain to vote on the Republican side jumped 10 points. Extremely enthusiastic. Jumped 10 points. Donald Trump knows how to just push a little bit. He has a way of nudging people to get out there and vote. But at a certain point they do ask. I need some action here. And I was listening to you talk about Mamdani and you did do great with him. But there were Mom Donnie, Trump voters. This is something people just can't get their heads around. He did amazing in New York City, Donald Trump.

[Joshua Lysek]

He did.

[Rich Barris]

I mean, unfortunately I'm talked about this.

[Jack Posobiec]

In, in the Oval. He pointed out that one out of ten Trump voters in New York City voted for. Also voted for Mondami.

[Rich Barris]

You could see it too if you followed his campaign. You could see and especially what will jump right out at you is how non white they that coalition is. Right. So he did very well. Not by winning silk stocking Republicans and you know, yuppie kind of the 80s Republican voter. That is gone. That's over. He did well by winning non whites in the five boroughs. And many of those very same voters then went and voted for Mamdani. Their ideologies supposedly have nothing in common. What do they have in common? I want to help you. Yeah, I want to help you. I want you to survive. I want you to thrive instead of actually just survive. They have that message and it appeals to people and you know, just going to what you were saying. Right wing populism ends with national resurgence and growth and prosperity and the peace dividend. Left wing populism ends with democide. That is where it goes.

[Jack Posobiec]

So it always ends in a pile of skulls and mass graves and bones. That's where communism and Marxism always lead.

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[Jack Posobiec]

And Jack, Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.

[Rich Barris]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

What a job you do. You know we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting politic.

[Rich Barris]

So when you want to know why I'm black pilling on Twitter all of all day long, it's because when I see these fractures in the coalition and I know they need to be put back soon because if you don't put them back, they'll go somewhere.

[Jack Posobiec]

And ladies and gentlemen, speaking of black pillars, Mark Mitchell of Rasmussen Reports.

[Mark Mitchell]

Has.

[Jack Posobiec]

Found his way to join us. Rich, if you mind sharing the mic there with, with, with Mark. So Mark, we've been going through, I'm sure you already know the conversation we've been having. Performance versus action talk to us. Now we know that you were in, in the Washington Post reported that you had a conversation in the White House with President Trump in the Oval Office. You talked about a little bit about that with them. You talked about it on your show. What was the presentation that you made to the President there regarding this very issue?

[Mark Mitchell]

So his approval rating is not terrible. I don't think that's the problem. I don't think that's the polling to look at anymore really. I think the problem is, is the Republican Republicans are going to lose. Like right now, you look at the polling, it's not going to look too good a year from now. And so how do you prevent this historic pattern of statistically it just happens, the pendulum swings back. Well, they need in my opinion like a Manhattan Project in order to get the Republican rotted husk across the finish line in only 315 days or whatever it is from now.

[Joshua Lysek]

And so I told you it was.

[Jack Posobiec]

Gonna be spice, folks. I told you it was gonna bring the heat.

[Mark Mitchell]

And how do you even do that? You have to lay out a plan. It's like, hey, we know we can't fix the problems that are bigger. I mean the real number that I've been tracking is only 27% of America thinks that today's children, like mostly you, will be better off than your parents. And that's horrifying. And that's way different than in 2016. So this is a different America than the first time Trump won. And I think that they need to acknowledge how bad the actual problems are. They're still systemic and so you're not going to be able to fix that between now and November of 2026. So lay out a plan and show Americans that, hey, we're going down the path to the golden age. It's not here yet.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now. I would even note though, because since you had your meeting in the White House, there were some other people who also had meetings in the White House around that period. You've noticed a shift in the messaging from the President, from Caroline Levitt, from the communications team out there. The President did just give this speech the other night from, from the White House regarding economic issues, economic conditions. Do you think they're starting to be a little bit more resonant with what you're saying?

[Mark Mitchell]

I think they're taking a step in the right direction. I heard the word American dream. I heard acknowledgement that they're going to come out with more plans for things like housing. But I'm worried fundamentally that the right metrics aren't being tracked. And so they keep coming back to things. And the word is affordability. That's what everybody uses. No, I'm talking about the death of the American economy. That works. Like, I'm really worried that my kids aren't going to have jobs. I'm quite frankly worried they're going to get pulled into a war with NATO against Russia or whatever. But he's like, I still don't see an acknowledgement of focusing on that. If I were the Republican Party right now, I would be trying to come up with new measures of the economy that reflect things like wealth inequality. And people's like, they should be tracking things like the median first time homebuyer age. And I don't even think it's on the radar screen. And so what economic metric can we all feel happy about in October of 2026 and look back and say, you know what, Like, Trump got us there. I argue there isn't one. It's not going to be the stock market, the job market's not going to heat up. Like, how are we going to do that in time?

[Jack Posobiec]

What about the Gini coefficient, something like that.

[Mark Mitchell]

Let's do this. Right, the Gini coefficient. But like, if you look at all these metrics, they're bad. Like 10 top 10% of income earners are half of all retail sales in America. It's really big.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I'll give you another example of that, because if you guys, you know, any Black Friday shoppers out there today, and you know, there's a couple of what? Yeah, no, it's fine. We did it. But, you know, I've noticed, though, did anyone see that the Black Friday shoppers suddenly, well, all the sales, all the retail stores, they were extending the Black Friday days. So it was Black Friday, then Saturday, then Sunday, then Monday. It became the entire week. You don't do that. If people are out there shopping on Black Friday the way they usually do. That meant that sales were down. And any retailer is going to tell you that because they're trying everything they can to get people in. And when people are doing that at Christmas time, that is not a solid economic indicator. That's an indicator that people out there are hurting because prices are high. And I, and I've said this to the White House and I say this publicly. They're high because of Joe Biden. All right, let's be very clear about that. Bidenflation is still in the system. Bidenflation is the reason we're in the situation that we're in. However, you have to be able to be clear about this and say we're fighting a war against Biden inflation. And ultimately it isn't going to be that. In some cases, gas prices, egg prices, beef prices, you can bring prices down, but in most cases, it's going to be about bringing wages up 100%. Joshua. Oh, no, you go ahead.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, I just wanted to add your touchdown. Spiking cannot exceed the number of yards that you've actually run down the field. All right. That speech, they went in the right direction. They tried. They tried to listen to you, Mark. They did. You know, and we know there are other people. They're trying, but you can't go out there and pretend the golden age is here already. You can do it. And I understand that people want to take credit for their successes, but Barack Obama did what with George Bush? He blamed him for four years straight. Why? Because it works and because it's true. And it works better when it's actually true. But you have to lead with empathy, and that's something the White House hasn't been able to do. Obama was great at it. He said, you know, Bush destroyed it. You know, we've done a lot of great stuff, but there's just so much more to go. There's so much more we have to do. That is the way he always spoke about it. That's the way you got to do it.

[Jack Posobiec]

I will say my, I think my absolute favorite part of that speech. Well, there are two things. One was, of course, the information operation that they ran right where they claimed, where they made everyone think that it was going to be like a Venezuela, you know, invasion and bombing and all the rest. So they get, why did they do that? They got all the broadcast TVs in America, all the broadcast networks, all those editors and every single abc, NBC, CBS affiliate to say, oh, maybe we better tune in. You know, this could be a big speech. And he gets out there and he starts saying that, oh my gosh, not only am I going to help you with economics, but we're given the entire active duty military a Christmas bonus of $1,776. That was great. I think that was the best note. I think that was the best target. They're giving me the 10 minute sign. Do we want to do a couple of questions? Do we have anybody want to do a couple of questions? Let's do that. We're going to have to do these quick. So we'll just go. I saw over here first, actually. So let's, so let's, let's go right.

[Joshua Lysek]

There, there's a mic coming for you here.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just going, Mike's coming.

[Rich Barris]

How can we start communicating about the Biden thing? Because inflation is cumulative and people need to know that and somehow they don't get it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like, hello, I've just, I just keep saying, look, we have the greatest word. We, we invented it in 2021. Linguistic warfare, which Joshua knows. Biden inflation. Biden inflation. Biden inflation. If you notice, Secretary Besson has started to use that word again. And I think I would love to see the entire administration just reminding people over and over the Biden inflation is still there and it's a zombie inflation.

[Mark Mitchell]

Can I make people mad? I want to make some people mad.

[Jack Posobiec]

Here we go, here it comes.

[Mark Mitchell]

So, yeah, you know, Biden inflation was bad, but the system's been broken for a lot longer than that. And if I look back specifically at the thing that had the most impact personally on my career, and I think, think a lot of people would agree with me here, it's not the Biden administration, it's George HW's Immigration act of 1990. And so what I would say is, yeah, sure, definitely Biden was the cherry on top of this wreckage that has stolen the American dream from everybody. But I think that, and one of the things I said for Trump is that, like, sir, I think you need to fight the oligarchy and not be the oligarchy. And I've done a lot of polling, for instance, on JD Vance. He polls incredibly. He's doing better than, than Trump was in April of 2022. In all of our matchups, there's only one person that's ever beaten J.D. vance. Bernie Sanders.

[Joshua Lysek]

Wow. Wow.

[Rich Barris]

So, warning. Warning.

[Mark Mitchell]

Wow.

[Rich Barris]

Warning.

[Jack Posobiec]

Think about that.

[Rich Barris]

I'm talking about.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, let's go. I think there was.

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[Joshua Lysek]

Hi, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I'm also a Catholic, and I think it's been shameful to see conferences and.

[Joshua Lysek]

Sorry.

[Jack Posobiec]

Diocese and bishops like the USCCB speak out against Trump's immigration policies, despite them saving millions of children's lives.

[Joshua Lysek]

And I think that's something that really hit home for me after recently seeing Sound of Freedom for the first time.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm a little freedom. So my question for you is, how can we, as Catholics, and more importantly.

[Joshua Lysek]

As Christians and fellow believers, educate each other, especially I'm Attorney Point chapter officer.

[Jack Posobiec]

As well, and I want to teach my community and El Paso to Texas.

[Joshua Lysek]

A very blue city, about how Trump.

[Jack Posobiec]

Is actually saving lives and stuff. So what are some suggestions that I can. I mean, I think you just answered the question. Get people to watch Sound of Freedom. Just get them to watch that more and more and more to actually understand that these are. That these people that are coming in, they're not just being, you know, coming here. Oh, we want a better life. They're being exploited. In many cases, children are involved. In too many cases, children are involved. And that's exactly what Trump is doing to fight this. This isn't about. This isn't about assimilation. It's about exploitation. And I think that's key. I think that's really a big part of the key to shifting on this issue.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, turn the moral high ground around. Because the truth is they make those arguments thinking and pretending they have the moral high ground until they learn that human trafficking is big business. And it's being driven and fueled and allowed by these groups. Turn it around in them.

[Jack Posobiec]

Turn it around. Who's next? Let's go right in front. Trying to do them quick. I'm trying to get as many as we can. Hey, Greg Jones from Conservatives usa. Hey. Question I have for you is, you know, back in the 60s, there was a housing crisis. I don't know if you know that in California. So what developers did, went out and bought land and they just made track housing. Three bedroom houses, one car garage, 1100 square feet, and they built them in masses. Now that's called Orange County, California. So why don't we look at developers, build these houses, which we have the land, and just track them all out, Let the young people purchase them. You can build them for 150, $200,000. And get them into initial housing and then let them step up from there.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again. Amen. Trying to do them quick. I'm trying to get as many as we can. Hey, Greg Jones from Conservatives usa. Hey. Question I have for you is, you know, back in the 60s, there was a housing crisis, I don't know if you know that, in California. So what developers did went out and bought land and they just made track housing. Three bedroom houses, one car garage, 1100 square feet, and they built them in masses. Now that's called Orange County, California. So why don't we look at developers to build these houses which we have the land and just track them all out, let the young people purchase them. You can build them for 150, $200,000 and get them in, in the initial housing and then let them step up from there. It's my understanding that the administration is actually working on a housing plan that's going to be coming out here very soon. I don't have specific details on it, but I, I. Stay tuned. I think you're going to hear something very, very soon about that. All right, I see a bunch of hands. The lights are like really bright, so just, just grab somebody. I see Captain America back there as well.

[Rich Barris]

That's a Captain America shield.

[Joshua Lysek]

That's a hat.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's a shield. No, that's a shield.

[Joshua Lysek]

Yeah, yeah, it's a hat.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, it's a hat.

[Joshua Lysek]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, thank you very much.

[Joshua Lysek]

Hello.

[Jack Posobiec]

So there's four of you up there.

[Rich Barris]

And we came here to find out.

[Jack Posobiec]

What we can do about it.

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I'd really like to find out.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is about 100 people here are pretty well involved.

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Pretty well. They understand what's going on.

[Jack Posobiec]

But what do we do?

[Mark Mitchell]

We actually really do.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, do all of us write.

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[Mark Mitchell]

Do we listen to?

[Jack Posobiec]

We just went through a whole thing about people dumping on each other in the main union over there.

[Rich Barris]

That's not helping us.

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We need you to give us some.

[Jack Posobiec]

Specific attitudes of what to do.

[Joshua Lysek]

Thank you very much. I appreciate the passion. So one thing that each and every one of us can do. We all live in an area where I'm sure there is a village council, there's a city council, there are township trustees, there are local officials. The best thing that we can do is localize. First, your community, your city, your elected leaders. Talk to them about what it is that you care about. If you attended Cliff Maloney's session yesterday, I'm doing a book with Cliff about local politicians and how to become one. One thing is to consider running for office and making changes that are local. The second thing to do is people who are currently in office, their priority is to stay in office, get reelected, or get promoted to the higher office. Anything that threatens that terrifies them. A little bit of fear. Persuasion goes a long way. The left wins despite unpopular ideas because they agitate. The best thing you can do is agitate your local leaders, annoy them respectfully, show up gently and make them do their job. That is the best thing you can do. Get in their ear.

[Mark Mitchell]

Yeah, I'm not a political activist. I don't think Rich would consider himself a political activist either. I think the way to look at pollsters is that I've been to D.C. i've seen how it works. I think that a lot of people who are rich, a lot of foreign governments, a lot of people who are not you have their interests represented. And I kind of see myself as really one of the few lobbyists for the American people. And what I'm going to tell you is that when I hear Republican officials talk systematic change is not on the map, they think they have the right message. They think they just need to vote harder. They think they just need to raise a little bit more money or have a better ground game. And I think we're in a major political realignment. I think that they need to acknowledge that they have to actually Stand for something. And that something is systematic reform, economic and government reform.

[Jack Posobiec]

My big thing. And I'll add just to this, and I want to get. See if we can get tight for two more quick questions. Name and shame. Just name and shame.

[Joshua Lysek]

These local.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're going to say the same thing. Find your lo. Find the local communists in your area. Name them, shame them. And by the way, find the local rhino in your area and name and shame all the rhinos as well. They cannot stand mockery. They cannot stand being named. All right, we got to get Captain America back there. We got to get Captain America.

[Joshua Lysek]

It's.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's so good.

[Joshua Lysek]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you for giving me a chance to speak and thank you for providing this. Anyway, is there any actions about reforming.

[Rich Barris]

The welfare and the health care? And there's tax loop.

[Jack Posobiec]

Because I do taxes and I do.

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See so many people taking advantage of.

[Rich Barris]

The tax loop and they getting the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Maximum benefit of everything. And if we tighten up the welfare.

[Rich Barris]

Reform, too, so that we can get rid of a lot of the illegals.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'll tell you one way. I know how to get rid of $8 billion of welfare fraud in Minneapolis in two seconds.

[Joshua Lysek]

Stay on track.

[Jack Posobiec]

They all go back. They all go back.

[Joshua Lysek]

Stay on track.

[Jack Posobiec]

They all go back. But number two, we have to.

[Joshua Lysek]

We have.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have to absolutely reform these systems because there's so much scamming, there's so much fraud that goes in. There's too many loopholes in the tax code. And I'm sorry if that's not a Republican kind of thing to say, but it is a populist thing to say.

[Mark Mitchell]

I think health care is a really good example of how the right needs to get smarter, because I don't think they have a plan for this. And right now I'm telling you that the Democrats are winning on the issue of health care. And what's their solution? Their solution is single payer. And so I don't think the Republicans can actually compete on that unless they do something better than just transfer payments.

[Jack Posobiec]

And also, and also, you got to go full Maha. You absolutely must go full Maha. And we're not seeing that happen yet. There's a lot of. There are, there are schemes afoot to try to separate MAGA and maha. Maha is one of the most popular political movements in all of America today. It's probably more you guys would know. Is Maha more popular than maga? Well, on the marches, people, with certain people, it is key groups like, oh, I don't know, suburban women. Suburban women, which we're Trying to win back. I think we have time for one more. So I have a question about the, the book. Let's go. So I've read it already, but how do I, you know, inform people that don't read books, don't pay attention to politics that communism is here and is thriving? How do I get the uninformed people, the people that don't care to care about the, you know, the communism and how bad, how bad it truly is?

[Joshua Lysek]

Real quick here we're getting the stop sign. But on that, rather than focus on the problem, the communism, try to convince them on that. Rather show the anti communist, the positive populist, right wing, economic populist vision. Instead, what is often more compelling to action besides fear? And if you can't sell the fear, you sell the vision of the, of the better way in lower egg prices, lower housing prices, more affordability, and like we always say, stay on track. They all go back.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. Mark Mitchell, Rich Barris, Jack Posobic, Joshua Lysek. I'm going to be leading for the Catholics or anybody who wants to come. We're doing a Catholic adoration here. I think in the next breakout session, you're all absolutely invited to come by because we are going to be worshiping our Lord Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is king of the entire universe.

[Rich Barris]

Amen.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's make them wonder. Let's squeeze them for a change instead of them constantly squeezing us. And then finally, we rally around President Trump. We surround him with support.

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