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Jack Posobec
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Lyndon Blake
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Jack Posobec
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Rich Barris
This is Human Events with your host Jack Posobec.
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Jack Posobec
Christ is King.
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Rich Barris
President Trump is doubling down on his call to nationalize American elections even after the White House tried to walk it back. A day after Trump said Republicans should take over voting, Press Secretary Caroline Levitt insisted the president was talking about voter ID and pushing Congress to pass the SAVE Act. But just hours later, the president went much further, this time from the Oval Office.
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Jack Posobec
Take a look at Philadelphia. You go take a look at Atlanta. Look at some of the places that horrible corruption on elections and the federal government should not allow that the federal government should get involved. These are agents of the federal government to count the votes. If they can't count the votes legally and honestly, then somebody else should take office. The judge just sentenced the man convicted of attempting to kill then presidential candidate Donald Trump on his Florida golf course. Here's your headline for Ryan Routh, life in prison.
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Lyndon Blake
Authorities say they believe Nancy Guthrie was taken from her Tucson area home in.
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Rich Barris
The middle of the night on Saturday.
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Lyndon Blake
They say she was not capable of leaving the house on her own because of mobility issues. Pima County Sheriff Chris Nano says he suspects foul play.
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Jack Posobec
I believe she was abducted.
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Rich Barris
Yes.
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Jack Posobec
She didn't walk from there. She didn't go willingly.
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Lyndon Blake
Guthrie was last seen Saturday night around 9:45 when family dropped her off at her home in Tucson.
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Jack Posobec
An unnamed law enforcement source claims a family member is now a prime suspect in her disappearance.
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Lyndon Blake
Savannah Guthrie and her sister Annie, alongside their brother, have broken their silence.
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Rich Barris
Tonight, they posted this video message to.
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Lyndon Blake
Their mother and her potential kidnappers.
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Rich Barris
Mama, if you're listening, we need you to come home.
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Lyndon Blake
We miss you. Our mom is our heart and our home. She is 84 years old. Her health, her heart is fragile.
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Jack Posobec
She lives in constant pain.
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Lyndon Blake
She is without any medicine.
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Jack Posobec
She needs it to survive.
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Lyndon Blake
She needs it not to suffer.
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Jack Posobec
Hi, this is Perry Johnson. I knew Charlie Kirk. Now there's an American. And like so many Americans, I'll be watching the super bowl. What's happened to the NFL? They chose dust bunny or bad bunny for the halftime. The NFL thinks this is the bunny bowl. Join me in changing the channel during halftime to turning points all american halftime.
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Rich Barris
Show for some great American entertainment during America's game.
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Jack Posobec
All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of human events daily. We're here. We're live. We're on real America's voice. Today is February 5, 2026. Anno Dominique, folks, you know, not only are we here, not only are we here on real America's voice, but you know what else is going to be here on real America's voice come this Sunday evening. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Park it right here. Real America's voice for the turning point USA all american halftime show. You're going to love what the team is cooked up. I'm privy to, you know, certain things about it, certain aspects, but, you know, obviously, we. We won't know. We really don't know until it all drops. I want to let you guys also know that with real America's voice, you're looking at the growth of the network at a rapid pace. So rad vespagnol that just dropped recently. And of course, you can find this program with me habla espanol. And, you know, coming out every day with, like, this program in Spanish if you so choose. If you want it up there, you got the all american halftime show. Of course, that is secured. And, ladies and gentlemen, we are now proud to announce that real America's voice, making sure I got this right, is going to be in front of millions of new eyeballs every single day because they've now partnered with Amazon prime video. So it's carried on there because the mainstream media wouldn't let. I couldn't try to keep the truth quiet. But rav and human events daily, we're not going to let you down. So this program, we're now up on Prime Video. We're all across streaming. You already know before Roku, all the smart TVs now, boom. Amazon prime as well. So if that's a place where you go, you'd like to get your news, you like your programming, you can now get Human Events Daily and all the other great RAV content right up there. However you so choose it is there. And this thing ain't going anywhere, folks. We're just getting bigger and bigger. When you see the super bowl halftime show, when you see. Excuse me, you wouldn't see that. When you switch from that and you watch hours, you watch the All American halftime show, you will not believe it. In fact, I had someone tell me today that he's going to be actually attending the sporting event that you may have heard of, but he's not going to be watching the show, that when the show comes on, he's going to pick up his phone and be watching the Turning Point halftime show right there in the actual stadium. You can't believe it, folks. You know, look, look, people are asking, I got comments coming in. They say, you know, what's going on? You know, poso, did you. Did you know this? You know this? I may have taken a peek and may have. There's some rehearsals, some things that are going on. You know, there's some things I may have. I may have had a peek, may have had a peak. A little. A little. Listen, people were also telling me, we've been, you know, I've got this comments coming in like crazy on social, people saying, posto, can you slip some. You know, if you see Kid Rock in the hallway, can you just be like, hey, man, hey, man, we really want ball with the ball. I'm like, guys, I'm not. It ain't like that. But maybe, just maybe I can. I can slip him a note like get it under his door or something. But this guy, he's in the zone. All right? Kid is in the zone. He's absolutely in the zone. Everybody's in the zone. Just wait, because this Sunday night, you are going to see the fruition of all of it. It's going to be amazing. And this Sunday, Bad Bunny, you're gonna lose right back. Cune eventsaily, Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.
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Rich Barris
This is human Events.
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Jack Posobec
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Rich Barris
Living the dream, brother. Thanks for having me back as always.
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Jack Posobec
Of course. Now, Rich, I gotta ask you, but right up, right off the bat. All right, I'm putting you on the spot. Which halftime show are you watching, man?
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Rich Barris
Oh, come on. Of course I'm gonna watch the Turning Point halftime show, Kid.
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Jack Posobec
Let's.
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Rich Barris
Kid Rock is always the best way to go. That's it. Bottom line.
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Jack Posobec
Done.
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Rich Barris
That's that. That's the reply.
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Jack Posobec
Yeah. I mean, there's all these people who are starting to say, oh, Kid Rock. And he's over. By the way, I actually checked this out with producer Foz last night because we tracked this because we wanted to see, okay, who's actually sold more albums. And now people say, oh, well, that's not fair, because Bad Bunny does the streaming and that's different. Ah, but did you know that Ria has an actual metric by which they calculate street, because streams is like the new radio. So just because your songs on the radio doesn't mean people are actually purchasing, right? So they have a way to accumulate a certain number of streams. They aggregate it down and say, this is the equivalent of one album. So when you do it in album equivalent units. And I went into groc this, they said, kid Rock absolutely dwarfs Bad bunny in the US just dwarfs him. 25 million versus 8 million. And it's. It's really as simple as that, man.
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Rich Barris
Yeah, I was actually going to bring that up if you didn't know that, because I've gotten into this with people in the past where, you know, I'm an 80s baby, but I was a teenager in the 90s. You know, I'm like a class of 2000 guy. And, yeah, I mean, Kid Rock was, you know, huge for us, but he had a career that does. That's. That's kind of special with musicians. We have not been able to see them navigate this in the modern era, where, as you know, what people want in, music changes. And you have to decide, where do I fit in in the 90s? Where do I fit in in the early 2000s? To make your own sound. To keep it. To stay real to it, to stay true to it and keep it relevant to the time period. The new decade is something that truly the best artists can do. And if, you know, if we named a few of them right now, I mean, there's. Look, he Bad Bunnies untested. You know, Kid Rock is. Is tested and. And. And beloved. So, yeah, I can't. I always, always look forward to his performances. Man, I love him. So does Laura Love. And by the way, you know, he's half Puerto Rican.
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Jack Posobec
Wish.
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Rich Barris
And she's watching.
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Jack Posobec
I would tell. Ah, there you go. There you go. I have a friend, similar situation. It was like Kid Rock all day long. Has nothing to do with that. And. And you know what's. What's interesting, too, is I think that, man, there's so much I know about this that I wish I could say. But, like, you don't want to give surprises away. Yeah, I'll just. Yeah. Because I've seen certain. You know, I've had peaks at a few things that are being rehearsed and, you know, some of the conversations that are going back and forth. All I'm going to say is people are really going to love what they. What is being cooked up. People. You know, the theater is amazing, the venue is amazing, the set is amazing, and it's. It. I'll put it this way, though. It's what you expect, but then there's also going to be surprises that you don't expect because you think it's going to be one thing, and then there's going to be more. That's all. That's, like the closest I could say it. And I know that sounds, like, vague, but that's the most I can say. Yeah, that's the most I can say because it's like. It's like you're. You. You hear Kid Rock, you say, okay, Kid Rock. And it's like, yeah. And then you go, oh, wow. I didn't even know he had that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I didn't even know that was something the Kid Rock does.
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Rich Barris
That's what I'm saying.
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Jack Posobec
He's. He's shown that deal without a cause. Of course, as you say, for those of us who are in that age range of, you know, born in the 80s, you know, teenager in. In the 90s, 2000s, that kid rock was the man. He was absolutely the man. But he changed his style. That's. That's what. That's what you're saying is. I'm talking about he was able to change his style and incorporate. He started, he was like rap and rock, but then he blended it with country and he brought other things in. And so he's been able to show that versatility that a lot of other artists just don't have pictures with.
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Rich Barris
Sheryl Crow. Just when you think, okay, what is. You know, did he. Did he exhaust those limits? He comes out something like that. And let's face it, all of us are. All of our. Us 80s babies, you know, were M M's, you know, hard shell, really gooey center. So like, you know, I mean, that was the way it was at that time period and that's what I mean. But staying true to your music and your sound, your brand, your sound. Right? My, I love another artist for this. I love Slash for this. I'm a guitarist. People know that. People know that probably a lot, A lot of people do. And he's definitely one of my favorites. And what I always loved about him is that you had that mid range sound. You know, it's Slash, but he could go and beat it or he could go and play with any artist, end up, you know, playing with BB King Jack. But you know, it's Slash. That's what Kid Rock can do. And that is, that's rare. It's really rare.
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Jack Posobec
Well, so I wanted to, you know, dig into that a little bit because, so I've been saying this for a long time that you know, you mentioned, we both mentioned it kind of coming of age and Kid Rock is like, that was like the music that was coming out when we were coming of age. But that's also puts us in a different spot demographically, I think, than a lot of your core millennials. And, but it's also a different spot than Gen X. So it's like, what is that group? Right? And I've long argued that this group should be broken out. Call it Gen Y. I've thrown out the word centennial. You know, I've said that for years that centennial should be used for this because I fundamentally think that there's something different in that age range. So if you're born, generally the people who are born in the 1980s, because, and this is key because you caught the tail end of sort of like the peak of high America, but then, and then you're coming of age in the 90s, but you're the last cohort that had a childhood without technology. So the rise of digital didn't come into your high school, college age. You, you remember being able to just run around and ride bikes and having close knit neighborhoods and you know, whereas Gen Z is now coming of age and they're born after the introduction of the iPhone and that changes everything. So just throw it back to you as the people's pundit, the pollster, you know, is this something that you see bear out in, in behavioral trends as when you're doing age ranges?
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Rich Barris
Absolutely. And I like centennial because I think it's important when we look at the voting behavior, the voting changes of of this age group, which is our age group, Jack. Right. I mean, I think we were told to grow up. It's all right. Ye, that's our age. Then we were told to grow up thinking that we were centennial babies, we were coming around to the turn of the millennia and that, you know, that, that had a certain anxiety. But because we were born with this almost inheriting this resurgence of American spirit that we got in the 80s when you were growing up, your first conscious memory in politics at all, minus Reagan as president. Right. And it's okay to be an American. And by the way, then by the turn of that next decade, you'll start to grow up with political correctness and it'll start to get injected into the, into the political discourse and in society.
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Jack Posobec
And one other, Let me just add, let me just add right before that, what do we also have at the sort of the tail end of the Reagan era? The culmination of the Reagan era was the fall of the Soviet Union. So it's like Reagan won. American won. Yeah, America won. Hulk Hogan, you know, beats the Soviets, right? Hulk Hogan wins. He's the one. He's the one. It's the U.S. it's, you know, yeah, Rocky beats Ivan Drago. It all happened in real life. So all of that cultural pressure spun off into this huge victory. Clinton calls it the peace dividend. He starts winding down the military. And we, and we were told good times are a coming and it's the end of history.
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Rich Barris
You won and the right good times are coming. And I do want to just say, which I'm sure in the next segment we'll get into more, but it's no surprise then that this generation that we're talking about right now, the 80s babies, they were the number one mind changer in the 2024 election. They were also the largest. We talked a lot about low prop voters and a lot of people who thought about low prop voters or first time voters, of course they naturally think about younger voters. But the truth is that wasn't, that wasn't the case for Donald Trump. He could bring out a 44 year old educated suburban woman who has never voted before and be. And that because he did, that's why he did better with suburban and educated.
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Jack Posobec
The matter is if this group, if this group is out there, guess what you might call it the Kid Rock generation. Oh, oh, oh. Right back. Jack Posobic, Rich Barris breaking it all down.
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Rich Barris
Today.
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Jack Posobec
You know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack, where's Jack. Lou's got a great job. All right, Jack, we're back here. Human Events Daily. We're here live. Want to get into a polling update with Rich Barris, the people's pundit? Because, Rich, you've got some really cool data, some new data out where Trump was at, where he's at now. What are we looking at? Give us the picture. Going into the midterm year.
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Rich Barris
So this is where it comes time for some real talk, Jack. Real talk. I mean, look, the reason why we did this graphic is because, number one, we were like you said and thank you for mentioning that the most accurate pollster of 24. And I don't just they're not just the national. We were on the nose in Florida, on the nose in Iowa, on the nose in Pennsylvania, on the nose in North Carolina. And this has been going on for the better part of 10 years since Trump came down the escalator. So we are doing an apples to apples comparison that frankly, I don't really think any other pollster has a credibility to do. And not only that, but also we are the only ones who are doing retrospective approval. And, and then of course, now we do approval going into the election in 24 or, you know, since before that. And why were we doing that? Because it was interesting to see how fast Trump rebounded with his retrospective approval rating compared to other presidents before he was elected again. But we were just talking about those age groups. Look at that, Jack. Look at the 30 to 44 overall, of course, but definitely look at the even women 30 to 44. Compare that to women who are 65 plus. This is where he's seen the biggest bleed. J. The happiest voter right now, the happiest Trump voter is a boomer male who watches Fox News. That is not who he needs to be. Yeah, I don't use the word. There's no other word pandering to. That's not who he needs to be kowtowing to. He has lost a huge part of his younger coalition from that generation we were talking about last segment down. He's got to get them back. And it's been, it's happened because of too much focus on foreign policy since the spring, too much of a concern for what's going on in the Middle east with Israel and not enough on why these voters elected him in the first place. And if there's not a turnaround real soon here, Jack, it's not going to be good in the midterms. And wait, wait, Rich Trump turns around. I don't think it'll be good for Republicans.
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Jack Posobec
Okay, so Rich, let's, let's, let's break down some of this. So, so you're saying that, that at that in the age cohorts and I'm looking at the data as well, that we're seeing that. You know, we are seeing that. All right. You know, you've got, you've got that older cohort. They're pretty much in the same spot. You know, they're higher than before. I'm sorry.
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Rich Barris
Yeah, like three point difference. It's really nothing like a three, like.
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Jack Posobec
A three point difference right through by. So age is really one of the biggest splits here, is what you're talking about. That, that, that's like a three point or so difference from where it was before. But as, as it gets younger, that's where the difference comes in more. And that's kind of what you and I were just talking about the last segment, how it was that 80s, baby, the centennial was a big swing voter. Those are the people who gravitated towards Trump more than anyone. So where, where do you see the split? Because I'm looking at it now and it looks like the, I would say 45. Does it, does that sound right to you? 40, like 45, under 45, suddenly there's this big drop off.
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Rich Barris
And we have seen this, you know, between 45 and some issues, 50. But when it comes to approval, I think you nailed it. I think it's 45 is right where that pivot point in the other issues, you know, the bottom line is it's telling us they have different priorities, Jack. And here's why Republicans should be concerned and the President should be concerned. The Republican Party was dead until Donald Trump came along. He reinvigorated it. And Charlie and I, man, we used to talk about this all the time. MAGA is younger, it's more or not even maga, America first is younger. It's more diverse. It's not just white and old white 65 year plus voters that Republicans know how to win. And by the way, as time goes on, this age cohort that we're talking about is going to become the biggest share in the electorate.
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Jack Posobec
Jack.
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Rich Barris
65 plus is shrinking going into the midterms. There'll be an outsized share of the electorate because that's who votes in midterms. But that'll be offset by the education difference that, you know, that we see between presidential elections and midterm elections. It'll be older. Yes. Which you may think will benefit Republicans, but it'll be older and more educated. Without this group that we have been talking about last segment, much of this segment, they have no chance. Let me give somebody a, let me give everybody a stat to give them a little bit of an idea. In 2022, Republicans did enormously better than Donald Trump did in 2020 with the 65 plus category. Guess what? It wasn't enough to win states like Nevada. They got crushed in states like Pennsylvania. Right. I mean, we can go down the line. They underperformed what they expected in 2024. Donald Trump only did 1 point better with 65 plus than he did in 20. And he did about 11 points worse than Republicans did overall in 22. Yet he. Every Republican president since exit polls have been taken, Jack, with other voters of color and other, you know, age. We've seen Republicans struggle to win, win younger voters for years. I mean, he got the most Hispanic vote, the largest share of the Hispanic vote than any Republican president who's ever run since exit polls have been conducted. So I mean, the idea is you had to do this moving forward if you're a Republican or you will not be a national party. Donald Trump came around, did exactly, put together a coalition exactly the way that he needed to do to, to move this party in the future. And they're regressing. And they're regressing because they're going back to their neocon tendencies. They're going back to wasting peak presidency time on garbage donor and foreign policy nonsense that these voters rejected. And let's call it how it is. Donald Trump did not run on being that president. He ran on being a very different kind of president, which is what frankly made being a Republican cool again. And so, you know, as the spring and the summer came along and the old voices and the old donors and the old foreign policy thinking crept back in, diverted the President's domestic agenda, it should not be a surprise that we are seeing numbers like this going, look.
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Jack Posobec
So what you're saying is how did those, so those voters, and just to put it at a, you know, put it out a pin on it is they want to see more on the domestic front, they want to see more. They want to see. And when I say arrests, I mean for corruption, I mean for illegal aliens, they want the mass deportations, they want all this stuff done. They want that. Whereas the foreign policy stuff, that's, that's not what got them on board. Because, and you and I said this so much in 2024, they're driven by economics and they're driven by a Sense that their future, the future that you and I were laying out, that that was promised, was stolen for them. And to put it easy way, they want the bums behind bars. That's. That's kind of where it's at. They want to see people behind bars. Rich bars. I gotta run. We're out of time. Where can people follow you?
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Rich Barris
The best place, Jack. We're everywhere. The best place that we'd appreciate is on locals. People's pundit. Locals, locals dot com. The words accountability, folks. Peoplespundent dot locals dot com. Thanks, guys.
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Jack Posobec
They want accountability, and we need to provide that level of accountability. Coming up next, big update. Savannah Guthrie's mother choose on Arizona Human events daily. And Jack. Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.
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Rich Barris
Thank you.
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Jack Posobec
What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys.
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Rich Barris
And these are the guys who've been getting pulitzers.
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Jack Posobec
All right, Jack. Posobec back here. Human events daily. Real America's voice. Folks, you know, I've been telling you, pay attention. You got to pay attention to what is happening with the dollar, the debt, central banks. It's all piling up. And when things get rocky, gold has always been the safe haven. But now gold isn't just defensive. It's an offensive asset. And what does that mean? That's why I've been partnering with my partners at Allegiance Gold for the past three years. They help you protect your savings and your retirement with real physical gold and silver, not paper promises. And right now, Allegiance gold is making it even better. They'll donate 1% of qualified investments from my audience to Turning Point USA or another great America first organization, in addition to the 1% you already qualify for. So you can protect your wealth and support the movement at the same time. If you've been waiting for a sign, this is it. Don't overthink it. Don't wait until it's too late. See what's going on with gold today. Give them a call. 844-577-7676 or visit protectwithposo.com 844-57776 protect with poso.com Protect your future and stand with me fighting for america. Protect with poso.com all right, so the whole country is talking about this story. I want to dig into it as well. And was already planning to. This whole situation, crazy situation of the disappearance of the mother of Savannah Guthrie of course, one of the hosts of the Today show, her name, Nancy Guthrie. Of course, this took place down just outside of Tucson, an area I know very well. People know. Of course, a lot of our staff is based out of the Phoenix area. So a lot of people that we know who are in and around the area. And something that's really cool is that Daily Wire has just launched a new show dedicated to this. And we have the host of that on with us now, Lyndon Blake, who's an investigative reporter with Daily Wire, who joins us. Lyndon, how are you?
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Lyndon Blake
I'm good. How are you, Jack?
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Jack Posobec
I'm fantastic. So I think a lot of people have heard about this story. They have questions about the timeline. They have questions about, you know, what's going on. But, but really, it seems to me, and I'm just going to say as a guy looking from outside, that this sheriff's department has no idea what they're doing because they keep changing the story. They keep putting out facts that they then change or they have to walk back. First they, first they say kidnapping, then they're trying to say, oh, we're not sure if it's a kidnapping. That's just my sort of look at this as, you know, prior military officer, that when you're running something like this, you want to be very specific. And it seems like they're paying fast and loose. Plus, they were going back first they cleared the home of a crime scene. Then they came back and said, oh, actually it is a crime scene. Put the tape back up. There was a presser just now. What is going on?
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Lyndon Blake
Yeah, well, I think your senses are spot on. And I think a lot of people now are saying, why in the world was that crime scene cleared Monday evening? We know it was cleared Monday evening because one in the Tuesday press conference, Sheriff Chris Nanows said it was. And two reporters outside the house on Monday saw an Amazon delivery driver walk up to the front steps that we now know has Nancy Guthrie's blood still on it and dropped off a package. And then now they have other investigations. In the press conference that just wrapped up, they said, well, other agencies wanted to go back and look at the crime scene, so they opened it back up for that. But it's been open for 20, 48 hours where people can go up to the door like you're seeing right there in that video, where you see the ring doorbell camera missing and you see the blood on the steps. And so that to me, anyone that has any experience working these criminal investigations, why rush and clear that crime scene? Why Rush and turn that home back over to the family. Nancy Guthrie lived there alone. Why do that? And compromise the integrity of it? But again, they put the crime scene back up. Wednesday, they searched the area again. They were saying that other agencies want to look at it. I have a source there on the ground that saw some type of officers taking something that was pretty large out of the house. It was covered up in a blanket. And after they took that out, the crime scene was cleared. And so now we're left with that crime scene of it all. But the press conference today did give us a clear picture of a timeline where before we haven't had that. We have had speculation about her pacemaker. Pacemaker disconnecting around 2am but now we have a specific timeline of Nancy Guthrie's moves on that Saturday night into Sunday morning. She took an Uber to her family's house for dinner on Saturday night. That was around 5:30. She returned to her home 9:48. Her garage door closed at 9:50. And here's where things get interesting. That doorbell camera was disconnected at 1:47am At 2:12, a person was detected on a camera. They didn't say which camera, but you, if you have these security cameras, which so many people do in their parents and their grandparents home just to keep a check on them when they do live alone. And a doll could set off this. But they said a person was detected in the camera, but there is no video. The video was. Was not there. They mentioned something about there not being a subscription. So the video is overwritten. But that's another big question too, Jack, is we don't have video of anything, no car, nothing that could have possibly been in that area Sunday morning in the wee hours when Nancy Guthrie was taken from her home forcefully. Now, they're denying they ever said there was forced entry now, and they're just saying they're not going to confirm or deny forced entry. But again, we do know she was forcefully taken from her home. Her blood is on the front steps and she had to be taken off in a car. She had to be taken somewhere. She can barely walk 50ft without help. She is 84 years old, a fragile grandmother. So right now in the investigation, the biggest thing that people are wanting to know more is this ransom note. And it's because the Guthrie's address, address that Wednesday night. Why did they address it? There were things in that ransom note that were alarming to the family. The first thing, and this was something that we learned today, there were deadlines in these ransom notes that went to TMZ and two local stations in Arizona. One of the deadlines being 5pm today, demanding that millions of dollars of bitcoin. There was a second deadline. We knew about this because KGUN reported that they got this ransom note, this ransom email, and there was the deadline for Monday. And in that note, there was threatening language if they don't receive payment, that the language threatened to kill Nancy, and they didn't get the payment by Monday. So this is urgent. There was also two pieces of information in that ransom note that was verifiable to Nancy's family. There was an Apple watch mentioned. And again, we don't know the timing of it, so we don't know if this ransom note that's being investigated, but it's not being authenticated, is just something they heard in reports. Oh, she had an Apple watch. And there was a mention of a floodlight, too, which Nancy Guthrie had as well. So these two things made the family. It was their choice to respond to these alleged perpetrators that potentially have their mother held hostage.
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Jack Posobec
So, Lyndon, one of the things that I wanted to say as well, that in training that I had in the military, you know, nowhere near the level of some of the investigators here, but one thing that they always mentioned is when you're in a situation like that, you're dealing with potential kidnapper or someone who, as an abductor, that you want to do everything you can to humanize the subject. So when I heard Savannah Guthrie's video, the very first words out of her mouth, she's talking about the family. She's talking about the grandchildren. She was talking about qualities of her mother. And that seemed to me either either she knows that from, you know, obviously her own background of work, or that's something that, you know, maybe was. Was suggested to her to say, hey, make sure that if there are kidnappers here, that they don't just look at this person as a means of extracting whatever this ransom is, that in fact, what you want to do is make sure that they view that individual as a human being, that this is someone who has. Has this same thing, you know, with. With hostages who get captured by Hamas or whoever. This type of thing. You want to emphasize the humanity, make them a human, not an object, not a. Not a thing, a means of conveyance, political or financial, whatever the motivation is in any of these situations. So when I heard that right off the bat, I said, wow, so they're definitely taking this kidnapping scenario very, very seriously.
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Lyndon Blake
Did you notice in that video, when they were describing Nancy and talking about her being a grandmother and talking about her joy and her. Her spunk for life. In one part, they said, talk to her and you'll see. And that stuck out to me. And that puts you in the mindset where the family is speaking to, thinking.
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Jack Posobec
They'Re speaking to a kidnapper. They're trying to reach out to a person, like.
- [37:49]
Lyndon Blake
Exactly. And so that's something that is just like you said, you're spot on with your senses going off and being like, this is being taken more seriously than we thought at first. You know, we were told by authorities they're looking into it. But when the family responded, that just goes to show this is being taken seriously. And no suspects, no persons of interest. I mean, back to the sheriff's department. They have to take this seriously. They don't have any idea right now who could do this. At least that's what they're leading on to us, that they have no idea who could have taken Nancy Guthrie. So right now they're trying to open that line of communication. And in the press conference, they said that the, the note, there was no instructions to how to communicate, and there hasn't been that communication.
- [38:41]
Jack Posobec
But now the family's like, we want.
- [38:42]
Lyndon Blake
To talk to you.
- [38:43]
Jack Posobec
Podcast Lyndon, we're, we are coming up on a. On a hard break. Let me hold you over because I have some more questions. And we're getting comments flooding in right now on this right back. Human Events Daily. Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it.
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Rich Barris
Go get it.
- [39:14]
Jack Posobec
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around.
- [39:19]
Rich Barris
And make our country great again.
- [39:21]
Jack Posobec
Amen. All right, Jack was up here we are. Human Events Daily. One of the. Again, huge press conference that just came out from the sheriffs at down in the case of Pima. This is Pima County, Arizona, just north of Tucson area. And one thing that I will put out as well, this is not a, you know, this, this is. Isn't in Tucson, you know, the city proper. This is out. It's sort of in the outskirts. So you're not, you know, you're not, you're not near downtown. You know, there's neighbors, but it is more remote. And we're on with Lyndon, Blake and Lyndon, you just gave us a ton of information. Number one, the Uber, obviously checking with records there. Huge information. I have no idea how the sheriffs missed that. It took them five days to find out there was an Uber in the area. I mean just to me that's, that's unacceptable. It's completely unacceptable that it took them five days to figure that out. These questions about the. I think, I don't think it's a ring camera. It's actually a NEST camera. Some people said ring, but it's actually was a NEST system. And I know from my own security system that we have AI where you know, okay, can the shape of a person that, that coming up. Wanted to ask you again about your source. And then of course the blood matching that came out at the press conference, which horrifying, you know, obviously something that you don't want to hear. But also, you know, it, it helps to, to narrow down perhaps examples of what kind of, what kind of search it is. You mentioned something about a source and hearing that people were carrying something out. Can you, can you dig down on that a little bit more?
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Lyndon Blake
Yeah, I'll explain that. And just to clarify, on the Uber, an Uber took Nancy to her family's house for dinner on Saturday and then a family member dropped her off back at her house Saturday night. And one more thing on that, there have been reports, multiple outlets saying the last person that would saw her was her son in law, Tommaso Siono, who or Sioni, excuse me, who is Annie's husband, Annie Guthrie's husband. But today at the press conference the sheriff said we're just going to say a family member. He wouldn't go into more details on who was the person to drop her off, but she did Uber there and it was dropped off by a family member.
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Jack Posobec
And I'll, and I'll mention that as well that Ashley Banfield, who is phenomenal, she has a, she had the show Primetime on News Nation. Now she's doing the podcast. She has said that she is a source and is reporting that they are very strongly looking at this son in law. And that of course it goes to these, these questions of him being the last person to see her, presumably the person who made that drive. If you know, we're connecting the dots here and you know, perhaps knew that she was home alone, et cetera, et cetera. And of course, you know, lots of questions of motive. But, but you know, I mean, I'm just going to go out here and say it, you know, with a target like this, this doesn't really seem like the target of opportunity I would say for particularly a home invasion, you know, knowing that she's home or a, you know, just a, just a random break in. I mean this seems like something that would be more Personal.
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Lyndon Blake
And that's what, across the board, all of my sources have said that this is someone. This is an 84 year old. This is a grandmother. This is someone who lives in a nice home, as you mentioned, a nice part north of Tucson. And it's. It's a rural area. And reporters that are there on the ground, they're like, it's not like you just see this house and you're like, oh, this looks like a good target. Like, you have to try to get there. You have to be. Knowing where you're going is a better way to put it to get to Nancy Guthrie's home. So they're looking at everyone. And today they said they haven't ruled anyone out, that the family is being cooperative, that they are doing everything the investigators ask of them, but they haven't ruled anybody out. Of course, after Ashley Banfield said that her sources on the ground told her that. That Tommaso Cioni may be a prime suspect. Pima county said, you know, no suspects. But he was asked about a lot in this press conference about all these reports and the sheriff and FBI, everyone said that no suspects, no person of interest, but no one has been ruled out. And they are looking at everybody that has a connection with Nancy Guthrie. And you start there and then you work your way out. But to your point, it's. It's one of those things where you're. You're not seeing signs of forced entry and you're seeing that they knew, maybe they knew their way around the house, whoever did this. And it's just one of those things that you have to really just start looking in your circle, who has been there recently, who has worked on the yard, who were her cleaners that took care of her house. Again, 84 years old. This is not some grandmother that's out there doing, I mean, just active stuff every day. She needs help. And so definitely looking at who is around her in her inner circle. The thing that was taken out of the house. Yes.
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Jack Posobec
So. Oh, oh, wait, wait. Sorry, answer me that. Wait, go in on that real quick, because I was going to ask you another question, but the thing that was taken out of the house. Let's drill down on that and the time on that.
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Lyndon Blake
I think the main thing to take away because again, we don't know what this object was, but we were told crime scene open, backed up. Yeah, sure. Other agencies want to look. We know something that was covered up was taken from the house. And then the person that saw this, who very reliable source out there covering the crime scene, Was, was done after that. So caught something being taken from the home and then the crime scene was done. So that's something that I want to know, what was that? And they've been asked have you found something? But they're not as you know, they're not going to say something that they have found or an identifying factor of a crime scene that could link someone directly to the crime. They're going to keep that stuff behind closed doors until later on.
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Jack Posobec
Right. Or perhaps you know, an item that they're taking back for some, some testing, some analysis that, you know, found something on it that maybe you know, looks like, looks like blood, looks like some type of DNA. It you know, obviously could be any number of things.
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Lyndon Blake
Anything.
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Jack Posobec
Wanted to drill back in with you on this. The person who was spotted on the, the, the camera or at least by the camera system I should say, so she gets back home, she's, she's driven home by a family member as we say Uber to the place. Then you're back by a family member. We know that 11am she doesn't show up for church. That and she's a huge member of her church community. This is something that was really noticed that you know, she's not showing up. That's you know, and I love that. You know the tight knit community that shows you everything that we talk about here on the program. This is why you want a tight knit community. You want people who are looking out for each other's backs. You know, a high trust society where people know each other. People have these kind of routines. She, you know, so that's when they go back over to check what's the, what's the timeline on this individual being cited on, on surveillance?
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Lyndon Blake
So we did the math and if the person was detected at 2:12 in the morning and then her pacemaker disconnected when I go back to my timeline at 2:28, but her doorbell camera disconnected at 147. You're talking about 42 minutes of a person or persons on the property. So from the moment the doorbell camera which you're looking at right now disconnects at 1:47, it wasn't until 2:28 that her pacemaker app quit syncing from her phone that was found at the house. So 42 minutes and that's a you're a crime has taken place. That's a good chunk of time to be.
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Jack Posobec
And by the way, by the way, which, and this is for me to catch up, which, which camera or where was that person registered? Was that the same door was that the other door.
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Lyndon Blake
They don't know. They do not know. They didn't ask today. So multiple cameras in the home. Don't know which one it just registered.
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Jack Posobec
So there was. So there was a registry. And they, you know, they don't know which. Because a lot of the. A lot of this is going to come in to. Again, did the person know? Was the person familiar with the house? Again, we're talking about night, nighttime. So these could be cameras that are up around a property that, you know, if you're just walking up, sure, you might see the one by the door. But are you going to see all of them? Are you going to be familiar, or does that speak to a familiarity, you know? And again, you know that that doesn't prove anything. That doesn't mean anything. Of course you want to look at family first, but. But that doesn't necessarily. It's not dispositive either. So, you know, you don't want to get tunnel vision in any of these situations. We're almost out of time. Lyndon, this is phenomenal. You're amazing at this. Where can people go to get the series that you're putting out?
- [48:19]
Lyndon Blake
Okay, so it is going to be on daily wire platforms finding Nancy Guthrie, as well as Spotify and Apple and Jack. As soon as I get off the set here, we're going to go record another episode with the latest that happened today. And this is just. I mean, we want the facts to get out and we want people to be informed, and we want to bring Nancy home. This is. Anyone can relate to having a grandmother. I'm so close to my grandmothers, and it's just really sad to think about this.
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Jack Posobec
It's a nightmare.
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Lyndon Blake
The torture is a nightmare. And it's the worst nightmare, being taken from your home in the night. So we want answers. Injustice. And we'll keep out asking the questions.
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Jack Posobec
Amen. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have our permission to lay ashore. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.