Human Events with Jack Posobiec, March 23rd, 2026

Summary

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Human Events with Jack Posobiec — March 23, 2026

Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode, Jack Posobiec hosts a boots-on-the-ground, live edition of Human Events from Phoenix, AZ, during a Turning Point USA event. The conversation covers the rapidly evolving geopolitical tensions in the Middle East, specifically Operation Iran, as well as domestic debates on American political discourse, freedom of speech, media integrity, and leadership character. The show features a blend of real-time news updates, in-person dialogue with conservative commentators, veterans, and activists, and an extended, candid group discussion on critical events—the war, Trump’s presidency, January 6th, standards for media access, and the state of dialogue across the American political divides.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Geopolitical Update: The Iran Crisis & Middle East Tensions

• SitRep on Operation Iran (07:30–10:08)

  • Jack Posobiec delivers a “day 24 sitrep” on Operation Iran, recapping intense escalations between Iran, Israel, and the U.S.
  • President Trump announces a five-day ceasefire on strikes against Iran, citing “very good and productive conversations” with Iran and a drive toward a potential diplomatic resolution (04:35).
  • Iranian missiles strike Dimona and other Israeli towns, raising concerns about nuclear facility security and questioning both U.S. and Israeli air defense depletion.
  • Extensive damage to regional LNG facilities, especially in Qatar, with market implications: “We’re not talking about disruption... we are talking about destruction of their capabilities, destruction of these refineries. Tens of billions of dollars lost and it’s all about the Strait of Hormuz” (09:41).

• Notable Quote:

  • “This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.” – Jack Posobiec (03:18)

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2. Digital Privacy & Data Security

• Story of the Magician and Data Brokers (14:03–16:00)

  • Jack recounts attending a magic show where a magician seemingly accessed personal information about audience members via ticket data and QR code sign-ins.
  • Highlights the dangers of personal data falling into data broker hands and endorses using privacy services (Patriot Protect), noting his was the only unfindable dossier.

• Notable Quote:

  • “All of that information is out there all the time… Don’t just sit there and let scammers and cyber criminals and magicians get your data.” – Jack Posobiec (15:36)

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3. Live Encounter: Debating Speech & Campus Events

• UNFAmerica Tour Confrontation at Turning Point Studio (18:04–27:00)

  • Tense but civil, Jack and other Turning Point affiliates confront activists and organizers (including Destiny and others) who feel silenced or blocked from hosting their own event at ASU.
  • Dialogue on institutional partisanship, organizing logistics, mutual misunderstandings, and the value of “pro-dialogue” events.
  • Agreement emerges on the need for structured debates and a willingness for joint events, despite differences.

• Notable Moment:

  • “I think it would be fun to have a space. So that’s fun.” —Turning Point Event Organizer (26:10)
  • “We don’t all hate each other.” —Conservative Host (29:19)

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4. Leadership, Accountability, and Presidential Conduct

• Candid Group Debate: Trump, War, and Ethics (31:00–39:00)

  • Discussion moves to Trump’s persona, statements about adversaries (“glad he’s dead” re: Mueller), military service, and the morality/consistency of American leadership.
  • Challenges Trump’s commitment to “America First” values in the context of renewed conflict in the Middle East.
  • Strong critique of Trump’s conduct regarding fallen soldiers and military families.
  • Reflection on the broader American political culture’s lack of consistency and empathy.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “So, so consistently a douchebag is okay. That’s really what you’re saying.” —Conservative Host (32:46)
  • “Isn’t it wrong. You’re a Christian man. It’s wrong to say you’re happy that someone is dead…” —Conservative Host (32:59)
  • “We should have someone that served rather than somebody that dodges the military.” —Navy Veteran Commentator (41:31)

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5. Media, Journalism, & Standards of Information

• Who Gets to Ask Questions? (47:01–50:55)

  • Extended debate on the distinction between journalists and opinionated media personalities.
  • Concerns about the lack of challenging questions for politicians—both right and left.
  • Raises the issue of new media presence in press briefings and the potential threat to democratic discourse posed by partisan media brands.

• Notable Exchange:

  • “We’re opinionated talk show hosts... I think the White House press room should be for journalists, not for people like us.” —Conservative Host (47:13)
  • “Who gets to define who's a journalist or not… CNN is now doing podcast sets… So if they’re doing more of a talk show… why cut off people from new media?” —Conservative Commentator (49:08)

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6. 2024 Election, January 6th, and Accountability

• Debate over Election Legitimacy and Aftermath (54:08–59:00)

  • Trump loyalists maintain doubts over 2020 election processes; critics press for evidence.
  • Consensus that violence (e.g., beating police officers) is inconsistent with patriotism, whether on January 6th or during other protests.
  • Extended scrutiny over law enforcement conduct and Republican/Democratic double standards in handling protest violence.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “The only two people that seem to still talk about it is Mike Lindell, the pillow idiot, and Dinesh d’ Souza, who’s a felon.” —Conservative Host (54:49)
  • “Nobody forced those people to beat police officers for their own thoughts. Can we agree that... you’re not a hostage and you’re certainly not a patriot?” —Conservative Host (55:41)

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7. Final Thoughts: Political Leadership & The Epstein Files

• Corruption, Credibility, and Standards for Leadership (61:14–end)
  • Frank talk about allegations and associations involving Trump (sexual abuse liability, Epstein files) and double standards in public discourse regarding accusations against politicians.
  • Acknowledgement of the need for more transparency, investigation, and consistent moral standards on both sides.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.”

  • Jack Posobiec (03:18)

• “President Trump… ordered the Department of War to postpone for at least five days strikes against Iran’s energy and power infrastructure.”

  • Trump Social Media Announcer (04:49)

• “I think we both want to be able to have conversations.”

  • Conservative Host (21:22)

• “We should do a joint event, and we should be able to debate each other, in front of your audience and our audience… I think it would be fun to have a space.”

  • Conservative Host & Event Organizer (26:04–26:10)

• “Isn’t it wrong. You’re a Christian man. It’s wrong to say you’re happy that someone is dead… It’s against everything we stand for.”

  • Conservative Host (32:59)

• “We should have someone that served rather than someone that dodges the military.”

  • Navy Veteran Commentator (41:31)

• “You’re doing this thing where you say, oh, there needs to be a standard across the board, but then you take completely different situations, pull them out of context…”

  • Conservative Commentator (58:06)

• “We don’t all hate each other.”

  • Navy Veteran Commentator, Conservative Host, closing group photo (29:19–30:08)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Operation Iran SitRep and Middle East Crisis: 07:30–10:08
• Data Security and the Magician Story: 14:03–16:00
• Live Confrontation—Freedom of Speech and Campus Dispute: 18:04–27:00
• Character and Accountability in Leadership: 31:00–41:00
• Media Standards & Journalistic Access: 47:01–50:55
• 2024 Election, January 6th, Police Violence: 54:08–59:00
• Leadership, Trump, and the Epstein Files: 61:14–end

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Tone & Conclusion

This episode delivers the energetic, combative, and unfiltered tone characteristic of Real America’s Voice and Posobiec’s Human Events. The hosts and panelists dive deep into the sharpest controversies of current American politics—unpacking the ethical, factual, and procedural chaos behind foreign policy crises and national discourse. Crucially, there are moments of honest dialogue, shared recognition of the need for debate, and a surprising gesture of civility amidst disagreement: “We don’t all hate each other”—a rare flash of unity on America’s increasingly fractious airwaves.

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Transcript

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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

[Conservative Commentator]

A commentator, international social media sensation and

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Conservative Commentator]

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[Jack Posobiec]

to get to the plane.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

You cannot be serious right now.

[News Reporter]

Line stretching all the way to the parking garage in New Orleans. A similar scene in New York City City and Philadelphia. It's why President Trump says that on Monday ICE agents will be going to airports to help TSA workers who've gone without full paychecks since February.

[News Anchor]

We begin with breaking news. Two people are dead after a passenger jet collided with a fire truck on a Runway at New York's LaGuardia Airport. Crash happened late Sunday night as an Air Canada Express flight, the one you see right there, arrived from Montreal. Authorities say the plane struck a Port Authority rescue and firefighting vehicle that was responding to a separate incident. The pilot and co pilot on the Air Canada plane were killed, several passengers were injured and two people inside the fire truck were also hurt.

[Jack Posobiec]

Trump posting to Truth Social just moments ago, quote, I am pleased to report that the US And Iran have had over the last two days very good and productive conversations with regarding a complete and total resolution of our hostilities in the Middle East.

[Trump Social Media Announcer]

President Trump taking to Truth Social not only to say there are very good and productive conversations taking place between the United States and Iran, but he goes on to say he's ordered the Department of War to postpone for at least five days strikes against Iran's energy and power infrastructure.

[News Reporter]

Three weeks into the expanding war in the Middle east, shipping through the Strait of Hormuz is only possible with Iranian permission. The waterway is critical to the shipment of the world's oil supply and that is exactly growing pain across this globe

[Middle East Analyst]

as drones and missiles rain havoc on oil and gas facilities across the Middle east, thousands of miles away, the war has triggered a crisis in Asia with energy shortages hitting almost every country on the continent, all dependent on the Persian Gulf for supply.

[Conservative Host]

Who's going to be in control of that?

[Trump Supporter]

That'll be opened very soon. If this works, how soon and who's

[Conservative Host]

in control of it? Will Iran still be able to control

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

the flow of oil?

[Trump Supporter]

Be jointly?

[News Reporter]

By who?

[Trump Supporter]

Maybe me.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Maybe me.

[Trump Supporter]

Me and the ayatollah. Whoever the ayatollah is, whoever the next ayatollah. Look. And there'll also be a form of a, a very serious form of a regime change. Now, in all fairness, everybody's been killed from the regime. They're really starting off there's automatically a regime change. But we're dealing with some people that I find to be very reasonable, very solid. The people within know who they are. They're very respected. And maybe one of them will be exactly what we're looking for.

[Jack Posobiec]

Central Command of the entire Iranian armed

[News Reporter]

force just told the president of the United States that he has been fired.

[Conservative Commentator]

You are fired.

[Event Organizer]

You are familiar with this sentence. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Jack Posobiec]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard Today's Edition Human Events Daily. We are here live in Phoenix, Arizona. Yes, we are in Phoenix at the Turning Point studio where today of March 23, 2026 Anno Domini. I will be appearing at a TPUSA pick up the MIC event tonight at asu. More on that later. And supposedly there's going to be some liberals that are showing up as well at asu. So we're going to going to be tracking on that as well from the UN F America tour. So we'll see if they've declared jihad on us. We'll see if they actually show up later tonight on campus.

[Conservative Commentator]

But want to get in really quick

[Jack Posobiec]

because we're doing these sit reps and I want to give you a day 24 sit rep of we're calling operation Iran over the last 96 hours. I know I've been been away for a couple of days. I want to say thank you to that for that to Benny Ray Harmony and Bo Davidson for filling in. They did an incredible job. Thursday and Friday it was off with Tanya Tay to celebrate her birthday and she said that the best thing you could give me is taking time off. So I did do that. But during that time period we saw very significant activity over the over in Iran and Israel as well as in the United States. Biggest news of the day, of course, President Trump driving all of this a potential 5 day partial cease fire on energy infrastructure. We're going to while he works what he says towards talks for a deal. Iran says there have been no talks, but of course that there's indirect talks and back channel talks all the time in situations like this. So huge de escalatory signals amid these threats of obliteration regarding this trade of Hormuz. What do we also see? We saw Iran ratchet up the escalatory ladder by conducting ballistic missile strikes in towns like Dimona and Irad. Dimona itself being not far from where Israel's nuclear research complex is and also a site where they reportedly have nuclear weapons. And so this obviously is a major message being sent as well as serious questions about air defense, which of course we've been talking about the depletion of air defense here on this program for quite some time. We've also saw Israeli airstrikes and US airstrikes in and in and across Iran, Tehran, Parchin, Iraq, Isfahan, Kerman, Bandar, Alang 85% they're claiming 85% of Iranian sites have been destroyed. That's surface to air missiles. But we're also seeing this major long term damage to LNG sites in the area, specifically Qatar. This is an area where they've received a lot of dam. We're not talking about disruption to the gas markets, the liquid natural gas. We are talking about destruction of the their capabilities, destruction of these refineries. Tens of billions of dollars lost and it's all about the straight of Hormuz. That is your sitrep as we enter day 24 of Operation Iran Human Events Daily Right back.

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[Conservative Host]

This is Human Events with Jack Posoba.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, folks, Jack Wobic. We are back live here. Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice Wednesday. Guys, about something that Tanya, Tay, and I did this weekend, we actually got to go and see a magician. And when we went to this act, it was great act, incredible time, and Tanya loved it. I had a great time as well. But at one point in this act, there was something that was really interesting that the magician did. And he started calling up people from the audience, seemingly at random, and he would say, you know, you in the red sweater, you in the blue dress, etc. And he would. He would call from the stage and then point at them and say

[Event Organizer]

all

[Jack Posobiec]

of this information about their personal life. He would talk about their relationships, he would talk about their family. He would point out that he knew where they worked. He would point out that he knew all of this intimate detail from them and all of this information from them. And he had it written down on this dossier that came up. Now, this was part of the act, and he even at some point showed them items in the dossier that he didn't want to put out publicly. He would say, is this your Social Security number? Is this your phone number? Is this your email address? Are these your passwords?

[Conservative Commentator]

Hmm.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, was that part of an act? Yeah, it was part of an act. But how did he get that information? We'll tell you how he got that information. Of course, he has the list of people who buy tickets to the events, and also he had a QR code that was up on screen when you walked in and guess what? Once. Now, of course, this was all part of an act. So fortunately, he's not using that for any nefarious purposes. But you need to understand something. All of that information is out there all the time, and it's not just on your social media. It is on the big data collection sites. So anytime you put your information out there, you have to start thinking, was your information potentially leaked? Did hackers get access to any of those systems? Did they get your information, Your. Your password? I'm telling you, I saw this in real time. Go ask her. She saw it, too. All of that information Went to the data brokers. And so this dude started pulling it from the audience and then he used it in the act. But you could see the look of shit shock on people's faces. And now what's interesting is I didn't actually, I didn't end up doing it myself, but I went up to him afterwards and I said, so, were you able to get any information on me? He said, no. And I. And I gave him my name. And I said, well, this is my name. It's my wife's name. Could you get information on me? He said, no. And he said, you know, we tried and we couldn't find anything on you. And I said, well, you know why that is? Because we use Patriot Protect. Because Patriot Protect is the best tool to remove you from those systems. So we're Talking about the 240 major data brokers, the people search sites. Guess what? It worked. I didn't know that we were going to be in this situation, but that's exactly what they were doing. I figured it out and I said, guys, we use the search and destroy protocol. They monitor, they wipe the new exposures so folks don't just sit there and let scammers and cyber criminals and apparently even magicians get the data on you and your family. You got to use Patriot Protect to take your data back so you can take control of your personal information, reduce your exposure, and use my promo code. Promo code POSO for 15% off, all Patriot Protect plans go to patriot-protect.com poso and. And use promo code POSO for 15% off. That's promo code POSO@d patriot-protect.com poso fuzz.

[Conservative Commentator]

What's. Why.

[Jack Posobiec]

Why are you coming in like this?

[Conservative Commentator]

You know.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, we're doing the show. We're live.

[Conservative Commentator]

We're literally.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm literally doing the show right now, dude.

[Conservative Host]

Yes.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yes. There's, you know, the on app America guys. So they're outside right now.

[Jack Posobiec]

You mean outside at asu?

[Conservative Host]

No, no, outside Turning Point.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, they're outside. They're. They're here?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yes. Right outside the gates.

[Jack Posobiec]

They're right outside the gates.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

How many are there? How many are there? Russ. Russ, get your camera.

[Conservative Host]

It's two trucks.

[Jack Posobiec]

Two trucks. Two suv. Dude. Dude, we're going. Tell Russ to get his camera.

[Conservative Commentator]

We're going out there now. I'm going out there now.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm going right out. No, hold on. I'm tweeting this out, tweeting this out. And then we're going tweeting this out. We're going cancel the rest of the show or whatever we had planned. We're doing. We're going right out.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Okay.

[Conservative Host]

All right.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

All right.

[Conservative Host]

All right.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I'll be right back.

[Cancer Research Advocate]

All right, post over live on you right now.

[Conservative Commentator]

Let's go. Let's go, let's go. Yeah. Are we up? All right, cool.

[Conservative Host]

All right, cool. Let me stop there.

[Conservative Commentator]

Ah, I'm clipped. I'm unclipped. All right, we're going. No, I'm going.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm going straight out. Got the rosary check. Rosary check is good.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Guess I'm glad we're going to. Yeah, go out there.

[Conservative Commentator]

Yep. We got who we got.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Who we got who we got?

[Conservative Commentator]

Oh, gosh. Right?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Oh, we got Andrew here. Ryan Shapiro. What's up, Mel? Hey, what's up, man? Good to see you. Thanks for coming out, bro. I appreciate you guys. Oh, good disguise. No, I always didn't recognize doing a burnout. We're just a little frustrated because, well, you. You're. You've been playing these guys playing on their Instagram the other day. So what happened? I just saw what Eric said that on the Arizona State campus. Okay.

[Conservative Commentator]

We.

[Conservative Host]

We agree on freedom of speech,

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

and we feel like we're kind of being silent because we're not allowed to settle.

[Conservative Host]

I just know it was.

[Conservative Commentator]

Well, you. You were having us.

[Conservative Host]

Just now.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

We just heard about.

[Conservative Commentator]

Our issue because I was flying out to do. Blake and I were going to do the. Pick up the mic and then. But then as I was coming.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Host]

So we were going to.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

That. Our main guy.

[Conservative Commentator]

They were, like, unapproved, like, so what are we going to do? So I'm literally sitting there, like, do I come? Do I. Like, I have my flight check, you know, booked and everything. And they're like, well, we'll just flex over to.

[Audience Member]

It fell out of the.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Do a.

[Conservative Commentator]

A inside what you want to do.

[Conservative Host]

Right. I think we both want to be able to have conversations.

[Audience Member]

Yeah.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

It's on campus with Destiny.

[Conservative Host]

He's here with us. You know, we want to be able to have debates even though we might not agree on stuff. Right. And we thought as we have. We have on Pierce Morgan.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah. As we have.

[Audience Member]

Which.

[Conservative Host]

And then we. We met at Phoenix. And you were very nice to me and by the way, about that public. Everybody. And I've been very public on this.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Everybody was nice. I think I was there.

[Conservative Host]

And like, there were a few others.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

There were.

[Conservative Commentator]

I mean, there were, like, outlets like msm Ms. Now was there, like, going

[Conservative Host]

slow like that, like, having, you know, conversations. But anyway, we don't like. But we thought that maybe you guys might have been responsible for why we weren't allowed, we thought to be there.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I mean I wonder.

[Conservative Commentator]

The only message I got was about, about our event getting on. Well, I don't know. An event on campus. And then yeah, great. And they said and there's also going

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

to be on America.

[Conservative Commentator]

But then, but then. So originally I thought it was going to be like our event, your event somewhere right on the quad, whatever it is. And then, but then I got them organization team, you know that's basically like. Like the guys are on the streets and they're like oh, it's eating approved. I was like what do you mean? Did it get approved like self planning to come and Blake was planning to come and then.

[Conservative Host]

Okay, well it sounds like a misunderstand.

[Conservative Commentator]

So then we, so then we were

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I guess through the chapter able to

[Conservative Commentator]

like a separate room and then the

[Jack Posobiec]

room came out and said.

[Conservative Commentator]

And then they said we could do that but inside, not outside. Like a different process than, than an outdoor event.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Here's a random question.

[Conservative Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Host]

If no cameras rolling. I don't know if she would ever do this and I would love five

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

minutes to be able to sit down

[Conservative Host]

with Erica and just try to right now.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Social media, none of that.

[Conservative Host]

It would mean a lot if we

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

could do that together.

[Conservative Host]

We're not here, let's do this together.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I don't know if that's possible but

[Conservative Host]

I feel like it would be.

[Conservative Commentator]

She's very pro dialogue in general. I don't know. I mean I, I don't exactly know if we have that kind of poll with, with ASU.

[Event Organizer]

Somehow Cool. With asu. Asu,

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

it's a government run substantially left wing entities.

[Event Organizer]

Even when Charlie was around.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

They were constantly like right, right. You know, like, like very anti Charlie. So it's, it's not.

[Event Organizer]

Trust me.

[Conservative Host]

Right.

[Event Organizer]

Multitudes more by many, many measures.

[Conservative Commentator]

Including today.

[Event Organizer]

Yeah, including today.

[Conservative Host]

What time is your event?

[Event Organizer]

Please don't flip off the memorial or hq. I actually, I do have the right to do it. I think it's disgusting and gross. Just don't do it again.

[Audience Member]

Thought you guys had something to do but not a speed because the timing was very suspicious.

[Event Organizer]

I saw you, you note that. But again didn't even know you guys were coming until I heard that there was like I got a press inquiry about it saying did we have anything to do with it? And I was like anything to do what? I had to go get the details about it.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah.

[Event Organizer]

And yeah, we didn't. So and then that's when I looked at. See this video, and I asked the team.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I was like, give me info on me. And then I found out. Well, that's nice of you. I appreciate that. That means a lot. All right.

[Conservative Host]

What?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Oh, she just came out.

[Conservative Host]

I have to give them.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

The event is 6pm

[Conservative Commentator]

I know.

[Conservative Host]

I met you.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Not as cool as.

[Conservative Host]

All right, well, look, I mean, you know, we. We didn't know some of that stuff, obviously.

[Event Organizer]

Well, that's why dialogue is good.

[Conservative Host]

We appreciate you guys coming out. We should do a joint event, and we should be able to debate each other, and we should be able to. In front of your audience and our audience, how we.

[Event Organizer]

How we structure it. I'm not committing to it right now, but I think. I think it would be fun to have a space. So that's fun.

[Conservative Host]

Who do we cut? Do you have a card? Give me a card or something.

[Conservative Commentator]

No, I don't.

[Event Organizer]

I don't. I'm sure we don't. Oh, wait, you texted me ages ago, so I think I have. Yeah.

[Conservative Host]

You saw Beef with Adam. We went into Michael Noel's party, and they would let Adam in, and then

[Event Organizer]

I went in after, but I didn't block. Adam was at. Yeah, yeah, that was Cuomo's thing. And he was so chill backstage. It's so nice to meet you.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I'm so. And then he gets out.

[Event Organizer]

Okay, I get. I get your whole shit.

[Conservative Host]

What's the question?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

He's a bulldog.

[Event Organizer]

It was about the Young Republican group chat, I think.

[Conservative Commentator]

I think it was that. Yeah.

[Event Organizer]

And then Smith kind of ganged up on me as well. And then I think Bill O'Reilly was on stage. And who's that? West Virginia senator. I'm just playing it, man.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Man.

[Event Organizer]

Yeah, he was there on stage, too.

[Conservative Host]

Young Republican Party.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Here's what's funny about that.

[Event Organizer]

I've never gotten so many text messages from people being like, good for you. Good for you. You know, like, don't. Don't bow any. Because it was like. It was Disavow Olympics, which is a favorite tactic of progressing.

[Conservative Commentator]

So I see it on both sides these days.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

We are Charlie Kirk.

[Conservative Commentator]

There you go.

[Conservative Host]

They're just letters.

[Event Organizer]

That's all we carry on the flame. Well, with all due respect, no, you don't. But you carry on your own.

[Audience Member]

Yeah,

[Event Organizer]

this is.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

What's. What's there.

[Event Organizer]

Check it out.

[Conservative Commentator]

You know why. Why write we are Charlie Kirk when it's your guys thing?

[Event Organizer]

So you respect Charlie.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah.

[Event Organizer]

Well, maybe you can find that in the future. But Charlie never said Anything.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

And I was almost like I barely should.

[Conservative Commentator]

I should. I set it to hyper flame.

[Event Organizer]

I have vague memories of Texas. A bit of.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Right. Wasn't that.

[Audience Member]

He literally looked.

[Conservative Commentator]

I was not

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

insider information. We didn't even release that information yet. Charlie Kirk said we.

[Event Organizer]

Again, we don't have that kind of pool.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

He probably.

[Event Organizer]

It's probably way, way less similar.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Why would he say that?

[Event Organizer]

He probably knew that. That you guys were trying to be there and you didn't do it right again. No, but we did.

[Audience Member]

We had the email.

[Event Organizer]

I know.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Right?

[Audience Member]

Those ladders were hit. So.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

All right.

[Event Organizer]

I'm gonna go back to doing work.

[Conservative Host]

We gotta do a nice picture that

[Conservative Commentator]

the flame burns bright picture.

[Conservative Host]

We don't all hate each other.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Okay.

[Event Organizer]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

Right.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Prove your own photo of you dipping a sauce.

[Conservative Host]

I didn't.

[Event Organizer]

I. I have nothing to do with that. I didn't.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I didn't post that.

[Conservative Host]

I have nothing to do with.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I'll take down the photo.

[Event Organizer]

You're associate.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

That's huge.

[Event Organizer]

There you go. Thank you.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

There you go.

[Event Organizer]

Thank you, Blake.

[Cancer Research Advocate]

Thank you, ma'.

[Audience Member]

Am.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Thank you.

[Conservative Commentator]

There you go.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I actually like this.

[Conservative Commentator]

I actually like.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

It's like you're Charlie Kirk in a

[Conservative Commentator]

sense to dialogue rather than. Dialogue. Not violent.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Conservative Commentator]

We're all doing right now.

[Audience Member]

Freedom of speech.

[Event Organizer]

Where are we looking?

[Conservative Commentator]

There's all these cameras.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Let me.

[Conservative Host]

Turning Point coming together.

[Event Organizer]

Yeah. Come up with a new tour name, by the way.

[Martha Stewart]

Yeah.

[Event Organizer]

Also pretty egregious.

[Conservative Host]

Give us some suggestions.

[Audience Member]

But you remember it.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

You remember it.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

It works.

[Event Organizer]

Literally didn't until this morning. And I heard that we had canceled. Remembered everything here.

[Audience Member]

Can I shake your hand?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Host]

Thank you.

[Conservative Commentator]

I can see why he said it. I'll see what he said it. I could see. I could see why you said it.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Thank you. He wouldn't say that about somebody you would never.

[Conservative Host]

Somebody that served.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

He's a purple heart recipient.

[Conservative Commentator]

He's like service.

[Conservative Host]

But when you say I'm glad he's

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

dead because you didn't like a case, by the way. He wasn't convicted. He did legitimately.

[Conservative Commentator]

He went after his kids. He tried to frame me as a Russian agent.

[Conservative Host]

Okay.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

So Donald Trump's gone after kids. He's gone after everybody. He's gone. But when he dies after his opponent's kids.

[Conservative Host]

He's gone. Gold star families.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

He's gone. But when he died.

[Conservative Host]

Not going to be on the air and smile and say it's great. I wouldn't do that.

[Conservative Commentator]

I.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

It's inappropriate. Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

I think that Donald Trump is going to Be Donald Trump. I think you can't change it.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

What's wrong?

[Conservative Host]

I know you know it's wrong.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

You wouldn't do that.

[Conservative Host]

I know you know what's wrong. Why not just say, hey, he shouldn't

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

use language like that.

[Conservative Host]

If a Democrat did that. I know you would call it out. If Joe Biden had had said after a, a Republican who served this country had decorated, had died because he didn't like it.

[Conservative Commentator]

You can't take out the Russia gay

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

part of it, though.

[Conservative Host]

Right. But, but what about Russia?

[Conservative Commentator]

That's what he's referring to, I think had all. Had he just been this sort of

[Jack Posobiec]

guy who had served in the past

[Conservative Commentator]

and hadn't been involved.

[Conservative Host]

Charges weren't filed on.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

There was an investigation.

[Conservative Commentator]

Look at you. Look at everything the country was put through.

[Conservative Host]

But look at all those years. Look at Hillary Clinton. There were eight investigations led by Republicans into Benghazi, which.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

That's literally nothing.

[Conservative Host]

But if Hillary Clinton had come out and said, one of the prosecutors and came out that day and said, I'm glad he or she is dead, I would call that out.

[Conservative Commentator]

We did say that about Gadopi.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah. Talking about that person and then talking about an American prosecutor. The point I'm trying to make is I want consistency. What happened to Charlie Kirk was horrible.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

It was.

[Conservative Commentator]

But, but Trump is consistently Trump.

[Conservative Host]

So, so consistently a douchebag is okay. That's really what you're saying. It's.

[Conservative Commentator]

I, I would say Trump has the enemy, his enemies in one box and he has sort of his, his friends in another box. And everybody else is sort of everybody else.

[Conservative Host]

But isn't it wrong. You're a Christian man. It's wrong to say you're happy that somebody is dead. It's wrong to go after gold star families.

[Conservative Commentator]

It's wrong someone who's done something evil.

[Conservative Host]

I think when you gloat the following day when, when the body's not even cold yet and you say, I'm, quote, glad he's dead. We're not talking.

[Conservative Commentator]

It's a very different thing. What happened in Mueller. It happened to Charlie.

[Conservative Host]

Murdered and somebody died.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I understand.

[Conservative Commentator]

Very different situation.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

But still we just say done that

[Conservative Host]

it was wrong of him to say, you're the leader of the free world. You're supposed to be setting the example. I understand. Nobody's perfect. Jack, you're not perfect. I'm not perfect. But when somebody dies, I'm not going to say, I'm really glad they're dead, or if he must talk like that, do it in crime don't do it on social media, because. Horrible example for the country, too, because if you don't like somebody, you're happy. When that's against Christianity, it's against morals, it's against everything that we talk about, which is wrong.

[Event Organizer]

Right.

[Conservative Host]

And I just think if you're one of those people on social media that called out, you know, people on social media that were gloating and happy that Charlie Kirk was murdered, which, by the way, I called out, too, a lot of people lost their jobs and they should have been smarter about it. Then you can't be that person and then not complain about the President of the United States gloating about somebody dying.

[Conservative Commentator]

I just think it's totally different things.

[Conservative Host]

Well, Thrawn, though, both wrong.

[Conservative Commentator]

I mean, different. I mean, when you look. You look at what Mueller presided over, and I'm even willing to. To kind of entertain the idea that, I mean, when people talk to him. There are some videos that came out, I guess, when he gave his testimony at the very end. I can't remember if that was in front of the House or the Senate, but, I mean, he was. You could tell he was just kind of not there. Sort of like Joe Biden towards the end. And, you know, I think, if anything, you know, his people around him should have pulled him back and say, you know, Bob, don't do this.

[Conservative Host]

I kind of. See, this is what I don't understand about that argument. I agree with you. Joe Biden's health was deteriorated, but in the last year, Donald Trump's talking about, you need ID to buy bread. He's confused Iceland with Greenland. He confuses presidents.

[Conservative Commentator]

A lot of. I was in the room when he did that. A lot of people have done that. That's not okay.

[Conservative Host]

So why is it when Donald Trump says something absurd and ridiculous and stupid, it's quote, a lot of people do it. But when Joe Biden or a Democrat does it, his health is deteriorating. He's on his deathbed. I want. Jack, I want to say never again.

[Conservative Commentator]

Donald Trump has always been. He's all that way. He's. He's talked like that since he was in his 40s, I guess, what, in the 1980s, before even trying to make my head.

[Conservative Host]

But when we're talking about invading Iceland and he confuses it with Greenland, he always talks like that. He talks about. He said, Jeb Bush got us into the war in Iraq. He said that he defeated Barack Obama. Listen, these are gaps. What I'm trying to say is in

[Conservative Commentator]

the grace of Trump, Trump, what he does he accuses Bombast? Of course. And he's always sort of directionally accurate. But yes, there are times where, you know, there's one thing here, one thing there with Joe Biden. It's like he didn't, he couldn't tell

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

you what year it was.

[Conservative Commentator]

He couldn't tell you what year his son died. When they asked him, he, he was forgetting serious things. Yeah, yes, absolutely.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Clearly. Of course.

[Conservative Commentator]

But one, but I've also met people who were that age and older who are completely with.

[Conservative Host]

Everybody's different.

[Conservative Commentator]

Everybody's different.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

That's what I'm saying.

[Conservative Host]

I agree. Okay. So I respect your service as I, as I, I'm not a J.D. vance guy, obviously I'm not a Ron DeSantis guy, but I would never. On their military service. I want to ask you about Iran because I feel like this is an ill advised illegal war and we've heard seven or eight illegal to who? Well we've heard six, seven or eight different excuses as to why we went in. First we were told the civilians need to rise up. Then we were told regime change. Then we were told weapons of masters

[Conservative Commentator]

which are again today.

[Conservative Host]

Right, but then we were told weapons, you know, we were told we obliterated their capabilities eight months ago. Now apparently we've obliterated them again.

[Conservative Commentator]

Well, my understanding at least with the wmd, you know, these inverse uranium stockpiles is that the situation is they're so deep underground in these, in these facilities that you know, the facilities themselves, entrances and the entryways. It's kind of like the pyramid. You know they had like the, the breathing tube, et cetera that you get down but that the uranium itself is still down there. It's rich uranium. So I think it is still there. It's just a question of whether or not access. But I guess they were saying was it liquid for.

[Conservative Host]

But he can't. I think it's as you know, he campaigned and I'm going to be a peace president. I'm going to be a no war president, I'm going to be a no regime president. And I feel like that's not America first and that's not what he's doing right now. And I go back to 2016, we're

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

going to build a wall of Mexico

[Conservative Host]

going to pay for it. I'm going to hire a special process.

[Conservative Commentator]

I mean, let me smoke for you. No, because I think, you know, fair point. That's, that's obviously a fair deal. Like you said one thing and now it seems like they're doing something Else. And you know what I would say back in terms of obviously it's, you know, it's not no war. Like, obviously, yeah, that's just. The special military operation, you know. And yeah, it certainly is. Now we haven't seen an Iraq style war. We haven't seen an Afghanistan style war where it's boots on the ground. Trump's not ruling that out and it's, you know, full on. Well, even, even if it's a special forces operation, I'm just saying it's not. It is a different category of thing than a full on national invasion.

[Conservative Host]

Not that's UN 175 school children that were murdered, which I'm sure we both can agree with is horrible. Right. Donald Trump blamed Iran in days afterwards when we, when as you know, they don't even have Tomahawk missiles. So my question to you is, was he lying or is he that ill informed that he didn't know that?

[Jack Posobiec]

I couldn't tell you what the, you

[Conservative Commentator]

know, what the intelligence cycle is at that level.

[Conservative Host]

But everybody knows they didn't have Tomahawk.

[Conservative Commentator]

Obviously say that. Obviously a horrible chat. Cruise missiles.

[Event Organizer]

Correct.

[Conservative Commentator]

But again, one of those things where, you know, he says Tomahawk.

[Conservative Host]

I mean, he didn't apologize to this day, he hasn't taken responsibility to this day.

[Conservative Commentator]

Pete Hex said this, but Iran, Iran has also murdered tons of their doubts.

[Conservative Host]

I don't doubt. But, but we were responsible for them and horrible atrocities happen. What I want to see is, I want to see people own it, not make excuses the way Donald Trump did. Pete Hegseth knew we were responsible. Heck, he put up a map during a press conference of one of our targets with the school being right next to it. But how do you not know what you're doing? I mean, he pretty much, they pretty much admitted it even though they didn't admit it.

[Conservative Commentator]

I mean, you know me, you know where I've been on this, you know, I've publicly said, you know, that I think, I think that this is something that we don't want to get into. And I've, I've said that now we are in it, obviously. And so what I've tried to do

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

is call balls and strikes as best

[Conservative Commentator]

I can, you know, going forward and say, you know, we don't put it this way. If this thing expands, if this thing gets to the point where we do have like serious ground evasion forces, we do see those Marine expeditionary units, if they all go in, etcetera, you know, 25,500, Cliff, that you know you're going to see more tragedy. And that's not something I want. I would hope that's something that nobody wants.

[Conservative Host]

Do you want to see a president wearing a baseball cap and when our brave men and women are coming home in coffins? Again, I keep saying this because I respect your service. These are brave men and women who are coming home in caskets. And Donald Trump is standing there and he can't even take his hat off. You guys, you're one of them. You were criticizing Joe Biden for half a second, looking at his watch, by the way. He did that at every event. It was like a nervous twig. And some of you still talk about that. Why is that wrong? But Donald Trump wearing a hat when our brave men and women are coming home in caskets, which FOX News, by the way, as you know, hid and used old footage, which they did that on purpose. That wasn't a mistake.

[Conservative Commentator]

Well, I, I can't speak for fires. I tell you the truth, just my own personal side of it, that being

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

a Navy guy, that we actually do stay covered in those situations as opposed to not as planned or chief.

[Conservative Commentator]

That's different.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

But I don't think it affected me as much personally because that we're different from different branches because Navy just, we stay covered in those situations. So, like in the Navy, you don't salute.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Not covered. For example. You might have asked you some more questions. I don't know either.

[Conservative Commentator]

Absolutely.

[Conservative Host]

So $2 billion a day this war is.

[Conservative Commentator]

But he showed up.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

He showed up.

[Conservative Host]

Yes, he showed up. Of course, so did Joe Biden. But there were 164 soldiers.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

And to be clear, I, I'd rather,

[Conservative Commentator]

I'd much rather in both instances that

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

there were no copies coming off, of course, of the plane that they're on. That's, that's.

[Conservative Commentator]

But you're concerned about.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

You agree our president maybe shouldn't be one that drafts, that dodges the military. That's a separate question. But, yeah, as you know, Donald Trump dodged the military. Not a lot of military.

[Event Organizer]

That happens.

[Conservative Host]

Okay. But Joe Biden's son serve Donald Trump, it's one thing if you don't serve,

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

but it's when you dodge the military that I have a serious problem with. You serve, you can't be okay with her as well, which if that is true, which I'm not sure, but if it is, I would call that out as well. I would say that's wrong. We shouldn't have a president. We should have someone that served rather than somebody that dodges the military. Our president has never been in a fight with anybody. He, he fights himself, I guess, and I find that cowardly when you dodge the military.

[Conservative Host]

I think it's a horrible, horrible characteristic of someone when you dodge the military.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

At least Beau Biden served.

[Conservative Host]

And some people still attack Joe Biden for saying he didn't die while serving.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

We all agree with, with Carter doing the blank pardon for the draft Dodgers. Not necessarily.

[Conservative Host]

Not necessarily.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

And I didn't think Jimmy Carter was a very good president. Very nice man. I didn't think he was a good president. I didn't go phenot, decent submariner. Yeah, I mean, you know, that's, that's my personal take there. I guess I wanted to go back to the war real quick. Can I ask? Sure, sure, go ahead. Steve.

[Audience Member]

Yeah, I have a question. So during ancest, saw that went into the event with a holocaust. You guys have Jewish staff?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Well, someone.

[Conservative Host]

To be clear.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I didn't, I didn't.

[Conservative Commentator]

I'll just say for my own part

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

that I didn't know that there was a shirt that said that because this was an inside joke.

[Audience Member]

I mean, I didn't know either.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

It wasn't like an overt, you know what I mean?

[Audience Member]

Yeah, but would you now, knowing that, would you allow him into.

[Conservative Commentator]

I'm not in charge of allowing.

[Audience Member]

No, but you personally, like, would you want him to go like knowing that you have Jewish staff in your building, would you want him to go into turning Point with that?

[Conservative Commentator]

I mean, I, I, I, I, I mean, I think, I think the shirt would say.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Because it was obviously gross. It was a troll insurance, which, so

[Audience Member]

you'd be okay with them not going to try.

[Conservative Commentator]

I don't think you should show up for somebody's event and, and wear a shirt where you are clearly, you know, again, like doing the inside Joe thing of like, hey, I'm going to, you know, you know, walk around like this and then people won't realize what, what I'm doing until much later and you know, put out the big reveal, that kind of stuff like that. I mean, I think if you're invited to event, you go in, you know, you.

[Audience Member]

And knowing his history, respectful, like, would you still want him in there knowing his history of saying that he calls, he says that, you know, he, he says that he says terribly misogynistic things. He says incredibly.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Right.

[Audience Member]

You know, his history

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

is actually friends. I don't know what's coming.

[Conservative Host]

Oh, I'm on stage.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

If Mike calls me a dreidel spinner.

[Conservative Host]

His, his friend. What's his friend's name called me the.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I'll just say it.

[Audience Member]

Said that multiple times.

[Conservative Host]

And Myron has said some very anti

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Semitic things to me. What he said about her when her. It's just so. It's so vile. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that was you.

[Audience Member]

Oh, yeah, I'm just less fat now. I ate one. Sorry.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I just put all that together. Od, obviously.

[Audience Member]

Well, because I feel like Turning Point stands for family values. Right. So, like, women should have children get fat while together. No, it's fine. I mean, I don't want to be known as the fat juice.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I'm glad you don't. Possible. I guess what we're asking if Myron Gaines would not be invited to the next. Again, I'm in charge of inviting people that I'm not. I'm a contributor here. I'm not.

[Audience Member]

Do you feel like, personally, do you feel like he should be allowed into the about. And would you allow na.

[Conservative Commentator]

Well, you know, Charlie had always sort of had a general policy regarding that. And, you know, and that's obviously something that we all. We all know. I think.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

And, you know, I think it's unfortunate. I think it's unfortunate that you give. You give someone a card and then they act that way to other people who are also. No. Were you there? Did. Did you also have a pass?

[Conservative Host]

You were just outside.

[Audience Member]

No, we were just outside.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

You were just outside. Okay, but you were.

[Conservative Commentator]

You were there.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah, And.

[Conservative Commentator]

And honestly, now, same deal. I. You know, the profanity on the shirts. I don't know if we'd allow those shirts in.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

So.

[Audience Member]

Wait, you.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Oh, hold on.

[Conservative Commentator]

You.

[Audience Member]

You wouldn't allow somebody with an American tourist shirt in, but you would allow somebody with the Holocaust to know?

[Conservative Commentator]

No, no, I explained that. Because I said that wasn't over. I'm saying that it wasn't over. It wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like people said. It wasn't like, oh, that's what it is. Come on in.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah, but just saying, I think general.

[Conservative Commentator]

Just offhand, I think there's a general statement about offensive, you know.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Sure.

[Audience Member]

But would you allow him in now,

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

knowing what that should be with that?

[Conservative Commentator]

No, because there's a general policy. Because I'm saying that, like with your shirt, with other shirts. Again, because these are events where there's children.

[Audience Member]

I mean, we're looking for consistency across the board.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Right.

[Audience Member]

So here's the. You wouldn't allow us with those shins. Sure. Right.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

That says, obviously you wouldn't want that either.

[Conservative Host]

Which I understand.

[Conservative Commentator]

Yeah.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

At the same time, you know, I

[Conservative Commentator]

don't have a problem with someone having a First Amendment right and where that occur.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Private property, our event.

[Conservative Commentator]

And again at event where we have children. I understand that's a thing where it's like.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

That's why I didn't go there to cause any problem. We don't want that.

[Conservative Commentator]

Teddy bear.

[Conservative Host]

I'm sorry. Here's what.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I don't like what they're doing. Yeah.

[Conservative Host]

And listen, I know they gave you. I told Tim Pool the same thing

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

when you asked the question in the White House.

[Conservative Host]

I said, I'm not a journalist. You're not a journalist. Tim's not a journalist. Tim actually agreed with me on this. We're opinionated talk show hosts.

[Conservative Commentator]

Right.

[Conservative Host]

You do a podcast. I think the White House press room should be for journalists, not for people like us that are talk show hosts. And at the Pentagon, they're not even Hexa's not even calling on people that are asking challenging questions. I think that's bad for democracy. Just like when Peter Doocy asked Joe Biden, you know, sometimes stupid questions, but they allowed him in there.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do you think that.

[Conservative Commentator]

Do you think that new media shouldn't be allowed in at all, though? I mean, I, I like bring it up.

[Conservative Host]

Journalist on the right and the left. Yes, I'm okay with that. But we are not journalists. We are.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

How you define.

[Conservative Commentator]

That's where I have an issue with that.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

Is that who defines who's it.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Well, if you're. If you're completely biased on one end of the spectrum and you don't ask challenging questions. To me, for example, there's nobody on the right that'll ask Caroline Leather tomorrow.

[Conservative Host]

What do you make about the comments

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

that Donald Trump made about, you know, guy who just died.

[Conservative Host]

Robert. No.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

You know, or the Rob Reiner statements. He was just going off on Newsmax this morning. Okay, well, good.

[Conservative Host]

I didn't.

[Conservative Commentator]

For a question that they asked and not happy about it.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I don't feel like headset Peg Seth

[Conservative Host]

is ask challenging questions from And I told Campus Cam Higby's the next orders and other. You know, I think it's an important part of this country to be able to challenge politicians. And I feel like Donald Trump and the fcc.

[Conservative Commentator]

But that's two different things. That's two different things. And I. And I hear you on the challenging questions and I agree with that question. Should always be like. When I'm in one of those situations, I try to press them. And in the Times That I have been on, you know, you said you were going to do this, or you've said that this was going to happen. When's that happening? When is that. When is that going to go down? That you have to push. You know, last time I, I think the last question I want to say that I asked the president was about the board of peeps, and I said, are you going to allow China, Russia? You know, which again, it's, it's not, you know, some like, whatever question. It's like, that's a serious question because we just come from that. And it was like the context and

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

that. That's valid.

[Conservative Commentator]

That's really valid. But what I do have an issue with is, you know, who gets to define who's a journalist or not that I, the way I view it. The way I view it is.

[Conservative Host]

And you look, you think Laura Loomer's

[Conservative Commentator]

a journal, you know, cnn, Laura Loomer is Laura Loomis. And cnn, CNN is now doing podcast sets, right? Jake Taper and Anderson Cooper and I guess what else? They're all doing podcast sets. So they're kind of moving into the new media style as well. So if they're doing that and doing more of a talk show, you know, kind of. Kind of deal, then why, you know, why. Why cut off people from new media?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Because I think that for an Anderson

[Conservative Host]

Cooper who clearly didn't lean to the left, but I think they, they also challenge Democrats as well. I see it on their network.

[Conservative Commentator]

I've never seen Jake Tapper challenge Josh Bureau to anything.

[Conservative Host]

Can't speak to that. I can't.

[Conservative Commentator]

I mean, they have a, they have a very. They have a very close relationship. And it's, and he's as, as, as my, you know, like governor of Pennsylvania. That it just, it just drives me nuts. And they, and they never challenges him on anything.

[Conservative Host]

So where's the bar? Should Candace Owens be allowed to get a press credential? Should Matt Walsh be allowed to get a press credential? I mean, listen, we, we probably agree on Candace Owens.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I think she's a despicable human being.

[Conservative Host]

But I also feel the same way about Matt Wallace because he attacks transgenders and he attacks brown people every day. I don't think those kinds of people should be allowed to press credentials. I think. Think it's very dangerous. You're a podcaster. I'm a podcaster. We're opinionated.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

We have different views. I get that.

[Conservative Host]

I want Republicans and Democrats to be what if.

[Conservative Commentator]

But what if. Hold on. Yeah, what if there was like. And I can't speak for them because I don't work in the White House. But what if they actually did a new media day, but it was on the left, because they do. They have had these new media, you know, meteoros, or new media day.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

What if. Speculating.

[Conservative Host]

I don't think there's any chance they would do that, though, because I think that'd be great. But they would never do that. Maybe another Republican would do that or

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

another president, but Donald Trump was going out of his way. I could see, I could see JD

[Conservative Host]

doing that perhaps, but I don't think JD's running for president.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I think Marco, Ruby and Tucker, that's what I.

[Conservative Commentator]

You think, Tucker, do you think.

[Conservative Host]

Who has a better chance to win, Marco Rubio or J.D.

[Conservative Commentator]

benz right now?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

J.D.

[Conservative Commentator]

benz. Really?

[Conservative Host]

Yeah. You really think?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Wow.

[Conservative Commentator]

Yeah.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I'm surprised.

[Conservative Commentator]

Well, I was leading all our, all our primaries. The polls, rather.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Who.

[Conservative Host]

Who scares you the most on the left?

[Conservative Commentator]

Scares nobody.

[Conservative Host]

Well, not scares. The wrong word. I've heard Tellarico

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

right now, if the elections were held tomorrow. I mean, Newsom's as strong as right now. Yes. Yeah, he's got a lot of back, but he's a good debater. He's got that presidential.

[Conservative Commentator]

He's got the look. I do think, though, you know, a lot of these guys, the problem coming in, I got in the 10 minute mark. The problem is the problem with it, similar to what you're saying, by the way, the problem coming up in. So like, like when I got into Mondami in, in, you know, in the White House, and then Newsom, who I met at Davos recently, asking a hard

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

question, by the way. And

[Conservative Commentator]

the problem I think of coming up in those media environments, because it's like so blue and so left.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

They've never had to face questions from the right before, ever.

[Conservative Host]

And.

[Conservative Commentator]

And they kind of freeze. It's very strange, you know, or like, you know, he goes up with like, you know, Hannity or something. I mean, I love you, Sean.

[Conservative Host]

I want both.

[Conservative Commentator]

So. So what I'm saying, though, is they haven't been scrutinized at the level that we can go to. So Newsom, he. I don't even know if he's had that primetime moment.

[Conservative Host]

He's willing to go on Fox News, which I appreciate. Just like, I wish more Democrats would do that and I wish more Republicans would go on msnbc. I think it's better for the country when people do that. But I can't imagine.

[Conservative Commentator]

I'm just trying to say I think, I mean, Newsom Strongers, but you, you know, you. I, I just don't think he's had to deal with adversarial media before. I really don't.

[Conservative Host]

I think he'll be okay there. But speaking of which, you can't be happy with Mark Wayne. You can't be happy with him possibly being the next guy in charge of dhs. The guy that gets up and challenges people to physical altercations in the middle of House hearings. I mean, the only experience that guy has, all due respect to plumbers, is being a plumber and running a plumbing company. I mean, these are not competent people, Christine.

[Conservative Commentator]

I mean, there's illegal aliens in that industry.

[Conservative Host]

Illegal aliens in what industry?

[Conservative Commentator]

Contracting.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah, sure, I agree, but they're not. They're not, you know, running the head of dhs, I'm talking about. I understand what you're saying, but this is a guy, at least in my personal opinion, who is not qualified for that position. Just like I said, Christy Noem wasn't qualified for that position. The wife of a guy who ran the wwe. I just feel like I hear DEI hires all the time from the right. But I think these are de light matters. I really do. I think there are people in the Trump administration that are completely unqualified for certain positions. Christine. Alma was obviously.

[Conservative Commentator]

I think, I think Senator Long. Fine. I think it'll be fine.

[Conservative Host]

Let me ask you another question. I know you got to go soon. Does January 6 happen if Donald Trump doesn't say the election? Stolen. I want to get.

[Conservative Commentator]

When you say January 6th, you mean

[Conservative Host]

the actual violence, you know, the over the tribe talking about the ride that broke out if he didn't lie about the election?

[Audience Member]

Because.

[Conservative Commentator]

No, I don't think it's a lot.

[Conservative Host]

You think, you think Donald Trump won the 2020 election?

[Conservative Commentator]

I. I think that it was not conducted properly.

[Conservative Host]

Okay, but I didn't ask you that. Do you believe Joe Biden won a free of fair election? No, you don't. So why weren't they able to present that in a court of law?

[Conservative Commentator]

Because they were working with San Diego.

[Conservative Host]

Where's the evidence of widespread voter fraud that would have changed the outcome of the election? And why has nobody been able to present it yet?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

The only two people that seem to

[Conservative Host]

still talk about is Mike Lindell, the pillow idiot, and Dinesh d', Souza, who's a felon.

[Conservative Commentator]

Why are there A lot of it is I.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Circumstances just.

[Conservative Commentator]

I literally just tweeted about it this morning.

[Conservative Host]

But if there was clear cut evidence, then why hasn't it been presented? Why hasn't anyone?

[Conservative Commentator]

Actually, it'll be presented all the time is that every time they try to bring it up in court, they say you don't have standings or they'll say

[Conservative Host]

it's he's the only president,

[Conservative Commentator]

any judge in America that's going to be willing to overturn an election. That's the issue.

[Conservative Host]

Okay. Well, they didn't even say there was merit, meaning no real clear and cut evidence. Not one judge because they never ruled on it. Some of those judges were appointed by Donald Trump, as you know, but they

[Conservative Commentator]

never got to the point of ruling.

[Conservative Host]

I haven't seen any widespread voter for evidence. I would assume you haven't either. And Donald Trump is the only president in American history that has yet to concede an election. And the reason why I asked you about January 6th is because he pardoned 1500 people. Half of those people violent criminals. As you know, some of those people who beat police officers for their own thoughts. Can we agree that you're not a hostage and you're certainly not a patriot? I'm not saying there weren't people that were over prosecuted that day. I've admitted that there are. But the people who beat cops are not patriotic. Whether it's a Black Lives matter protest or January 6th, we agree on that.

[Conservative Commentator]

Look, so when I was at January 6th and.

[Conservative Host]

But you didn't go in.

[Conservative Commentator]

I was walking down the street at one point and then filmed it from the ground, then went up on a roof like adjacent.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Right.

[Conservative Commentator]

One on one Constitution Ave. And you know, kind of like looking down to get a, try to understand what's going on. And the thing that I'll always say that led to the problems at Jan6, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to speak.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

There was violence, obviously there's violence.

[Conservative Commentator]

But what I've always said is that I really wish that they had tried de escalation first because there was no de escalation. There was no call to disperse. There was no, you know, there was no sitting down and hold on. And then the very next thing which I saw with my own eyes is that prior to the police's response, the crowd was peaceful. Okay. They should, should they have been there or not? They were peaceful until they, the cops threw flashbangs into the crowd. When they threw those flashbangs into the crowd, it sparked this huge response which you're not supposed to do.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

It breaks every rule of crowd control.

[Conservative Commentator]

And so they started feeling that they were under attack by the police. And so Rather than call for dispersal. Rather than call, you know, go up on the loudspeaker and say, yes, I'm

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

all for Donald Trump.

[Conservative Host]

Four and a half hours.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I mean, they showed to do something

[Conservative Commentator]

on the scene, that it was the police that threw those flashlights and I saw him to a peaceful crowd.

[Conservative Host]

So here's my issue with what you're saying. Even if that is too true, which I'm not so sure it is.

[Conservative Commentator]

It is.

[Conservative Host]

Why is it that. Why is it then when MAGA Republicans look at what ice, what the ICE situations that took place in Minneapolis, immediately they defended. Oh, well, they were in the right. No independent investigation with Jonathan Ross. And you know, they're.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

They're what.

[Conservative Host]

What did, what did Stephen Miller call?

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Call him.

[Conservative Host]

I'm trying to remember. A terrorist. And, and you had Christy Noam calling them domestic terrorists. So in that situation, we're going to back the blue. But on January 6th, what you're doing, which I disagree with, is in a sense blaming them. Nobody forced those people to beat police off.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

You're talking about two. Completely situated. But. But I think it's hypocrisy.

[Conservative Host]

Nobody forced those people on January 6th to beat cops.

[Conservative Commentator]

You're trying to say, you're doing this thing where you say, oh, there needs to be a standard across the board. But then you take completely different situations, pull them out of. Out of the all.

[Conservative Host]

Because I haven't heard that. I haven't heard anybody. You're the first person I've never heard.

[Conservative Commentator]

I've said it since the dancer.

[Conservative Host]

I'm not saying you haven't, but I've just. I haven't heard that from anybody else. All I'm saying is nobody forced people to beat cops on January 6. Nobody forced people to chant hang Mike Pence. Nobody forced people to get going.

[Conservative Commentator]

Nobody forced the police to not call for de escalation or used. If there were ways, which they could have.

[Conservative Host]

If there were ways that there could have been de escalation, then I wouldn't

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

have a problem with that. Okay.

[Conservative Host]

But what I do have a problem with is the President of the United States.

[Conservative Commentator]

Because, for example, every single. This, remember this was in the cons. So January 6, 2021, all of you know, the 2020 era is pretty much in the same era, right? So did have BLM protests and BLM riots and antifa. At, like at the White House and all these.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

In all of those instances, there was a call to disperse.

[Conservative Commentator]

Every single one of those instances. And yet, for whatever reason on Jansa, honestly, what I think happened is I think they were overwhelmed. I think they were understaffed. President Trump had called for the National

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Guard to be there.

[Conservative Commentator]

They were not there. Or they're certainly not there in numbers that were sufficient.

[Conservative Host]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

And all of these things.

[Conservative Host]

All agree to disagree on that. Last question. Because I know you have to go.

[Conservative Commentator]

You know they weren't there.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Who wasn't there? National Guard.

[Conservative Host]

Right. But Donald Trump. Why does can Donald Trump call out the National Guard? The snap of a finger a few months back.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

He did.

[Conservative Host]

But didn't call out the National Guard on January 2nd.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

He did.

[Conservative Host]

I find that interesting.

[Conservative Commentator]

He did, though. You can go. You can still up on Twitter, Muriel Bowser, who's the mayor of New York. Mayor. Mayor.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Gosh. Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

Has a tweet up saying that we refuse federal assistance.

[Conservative Host]

We can go deep into that. I just want to ask you one more question. I know you got to go.

[Conservative Commentator]

Don't you think that if the national just.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

We're playing the what if game. Right. So if the National Guard had been there.

[Conservative Commentator]

Yeah.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

President Trump, of course.

[Event Organizer]

Do you.

[Conservative Commentator]

And he'd call for a lot. Not just like because there were a couple.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

That is true. If that is true. If that is true.

[Conservative Host]

Because I thought the commission looked into that. I thought that they found it wasn't true. But if what you're telling me was true.

[Conservative Commentator]

Chris Miller, who was the DoD secretary, said it was true.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Okay.

[Conservative Host]

So some people have said it wasn't true. No, I don't.

[Conservative Commentator]

Cash Patel's anything. He's in the room.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Yeah.

[Conservative Commentator]

And Cash.

[Conservative Host]

But there's no credibility. But.

[Conservative Commentator]

And Mural Bowser has again, a Democrat has a tweet up where she's refusing federal assistance.

[Conservative Host]

But last question. You mentioned last question. I don't even rush. You mentioned Cash Patel.

[Conservative Commentator]

No, I'm not in a rush. He said we're. We're live in this stream.

[Conservative Host]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Conservative Commentator]

It extends in two minutes.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Okay. You were one of those people that had a binder. You've been asked about this a lot of times and I've talked to you about this on your.

[Conservative Host]

And they made you out to look like a fool to no fault of your own in that situation.

[Conservative Commentator]

It's not a good day.

[Conservative Host]

It was not a good day.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

We agree.

[Conservative Host]

Is still in that position. Donald Trump has not let her go to this day. There's only been two people that have been accountable with the Epstein false. And that's Jeffrey Epstein.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I'll give you. I'll give you. I'll give you something we haven't announced this publicly yet, but we are going to be sitting. We're working on sitting down. It's not physically booked, but sitting down with a member of the DOJ senior official later this week. And we're going to ask him those right questions.

[Event Organizer]

Good.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

I hope that when you make that public, it'll be on the show. Good.

[Conservative Host]

I think that's really important. Does it bother you at all that

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

his name is mentioned, Donald Trump's name, thousands and thousands and thousands of times in a criminal capacity? I didn't ask you about a criminal capacity.

[Conservative Host]

I think there are credible claims.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

And the reason why I say credible, this is a guy who was found liable. Liable of sexual abuse. He has 25 women that accused him of sexual assault or rape, including his ex wife in a deposition. This is a guy who bragged about grabbing women by the gym. He was best friends. Everyone whose things, though when they looked into it, they couldn't, they couldn't find Robert. You guys called Joe Biden a pedophile for sniffing hair. Donald Trump's in the Epstein files thousands and thousands.

[Conservative Host]

Do you think Donald Trump in the Epstein files thousands of times is weird behavior?

[Conservative Commentator]

It's getting a little snippy.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

All I'm saying is a little bit snippy. They're.

[Conservative Commentator]

They're giving me the. Good to see you, man.

[Navy Veteran Commentator]

Hey, man, I appreciate you coming out.

[Conservative Host]

I really do.

[Conservative Commentator]

Whoa. Air flare, bro.

[Conservative Host]

I know you didn't have to come out here, so I, I appreciate it. I wanted to. I got to give him credit.

[Conservative Commentator]

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