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Former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobec. Christ is king.
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This morning, House lawmakers are racing back to Washington for a vote to reopen the government.
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Lawmakers have been out of town for 54 days. If all members get back in time, Republicans can only afford to lose two votes. The president confident they'll get it over the finish line.
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The House is going to vote and I think they're going to vote positively. I think most people want to see it open.
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President was gracious enough to give us an exclusive tour of the new White House renovations.
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Of the three we're learning just one was actually a Berkeley student. That student has now been cited and released. The other two are facing charges ranging from trespassing to battery. Meantime, the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division is now looking into what happened here on campus last night. Demonstrators made it clear they opposed Turning Point USA's final tour stop, which drew an estimated 900 attendees to campus. ABC7 News cameras capture two people being taken into custody. Witnesses say one man seen with a bloody face was assaulted for selling Turning Point merchandise. Berkeley police say he was determined to be the victim and let go the other man charged with robbery and battery.
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Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We're here live on Real America's voice. Today is 11-12-2025 Anno Domini. And folks, as we sit here, we are on assignment today, but as we sit here, there's a lot of stuff going in through the, through the airwaves, a lot of stuff going out there in the information environment. And look, I've been looking at it. There's a lot of anger. And I see anger on both sides. I see people who are angry on the left who want to kill us, who attacked our students, hundreds of our students and their family members at the Turning Point event with UC Berkeley with Rob Schneider. Apparently, Deuce Bigelow is an arch fascist. Now, I didn't know that was someone who is driving the left completely nuts. But understand, it's not about Rob Schneider or Deuce Bigelow or Turning Point or any of this. It's about they hate us and they want to kill us. They want to kill our children or they want to turn our children into orphans. They look at the horrific things that they did to Charlie Kirk's family and they say that's a good start. They say they want more. They want to create more situations like that. They want my children to be in the situation where they will never see their father again. They're going after many family members, other people who, I'll just say there's some stories that are going to be coming out very soon. They're not my stories to tell, so I'm not going to share them. But other members of conservative media have had to deal with personal threats to their lives and to their families in the last few days. Fortunately, I believe the situation is over. You may have seen some of this online involving my colleagues, both Kat Turd and Matt Walsh, and their story to tell. I know some of the details there, but when they do, you will see just how violent and how serious the left is in this country. We're also seeing anger on the right. People saying, I don't want more H1BS, people saying, I want American citizens to come first, always. We're going to talk about that as well. And there's also new emails out, Jeffrey Epstein emails. We're going to get into those as well. In the next segment here, we've got a guest that we're going to be visiting with and we're going to be going through in detail because here's, you know, and people want to say, oh, Posobic, you know, you know, how come, you know, how come you took that binder from Pam Bondi? And you know, you never, you never show. It was in the. But first of all, I've said this story a million times on a Piers Morgan show. I talked about the binder. I've always answered every single question everyone's ever asked about this. But then I still get people saying, how come you don't talk about that? I talk about it a million times. And I even went at the last turning point that I ever did with Charlie and. And gave an entire speech about it. So here it goes. When new stuff comes out on Jeffrey Epstein, I've always said, I want to talk about all of it. I want to talk about all of it. And we're going to do that today. And I don't care if it involves a former prime minister of Israel, Ehud Barak. I don't care if it talks about intelligence connections. I don't care what connections it talks about. And the allegations today is that they were talking about Trump. All right, we're going to talk about that. Because we covered the Ghislaine Maxwell trial here on Human Events Daily in full. We covered the first jebs, Jeffrey Epstein, the trial that never came to be because he died in prison under mysterious circumstances, shall we say? We covered in full. And so we will always cover every piece of new information in full. And when we get new information, I'm more than happy to cover it and let the chips fall where they may. But at the same time, we are going to be rigorous, we are going to be fact based and we are going to put it within the context of all the other evidence. That's what's called an investigation, boys and girls. So lock in because we're locked in here on Human Events Daily. Be right back. Right around the corner with more on Real American Voice.
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Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.
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This is Human Events with Jack Pos now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American revolution. All right, folks are back. Jack Posobic here, Human Events Daily. Folks, I gotta. I gotta tell you real quick, if you're a homeowner in America, you need to listen to this. It's so important to know because the FBI has been warning about a new type of real estate fraud that's on the rise. And it's called title theft. And the. And your equity is the target. So when you get a home, we all know we have equity. But here's how it works. The criminals will forge your signature on a single document, use a fake notary stamp, and then file that with the county. And just like that, on record, they own your Home using your ownership. They can take out loans against your equity or even sell your property. And you won't know about it until foreclosure or collection notices show up in the the mail. That's why I partnered with Home Title Lock. So you can protect your equity. And find out today if you're already a victim. Use my promo code POSO@hometitlelock.com and you'll get a free title history report and a free trial of their million dollar triple lock protection. That is 247 monitoring of your title records, urgent alerts to any changes and if fraud occurs, their US based restoration team will spend up to $1 million to fix it. Find out why I trust Home Title Lock. Protect yourself like I did. Don't be a victim. Protect your Equity today. That's hometitlek.com promo code post. All right. Very excited to be joined here on location with the very honorable. That's true. Honorable, right honorable. Navy Marine Corps veteran, Navy EOD officer, former the CEO of the MacArthur Group, my buddy Tom Sauer. What's up, Tom?
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What's up man? Thanks for having me, man. Appreciate it.
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So, Tom, people, you know, just. And just by way of introduction, people don't actually realize that, you know, they may have seen you right wing figure. Right.
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Right wing figure in the Atlantic magazine.
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That we actually served together in the Navy.
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We did. You were one of the intel guys out of EOD Mobile UNO5 in Guam. And I remember I talked to that Atlantic rider for like almost two hours and he put one snippet in there because he couldn't find anything negative about you on that.
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So we try, you know, they try. They, you know, the, the ops persist. But.
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Yes.
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Why the ops?
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They do.
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Why? So, yeah, we served together in UD mobile unit 5 in back when they called it Paycom. Now.
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Yes. Indo Paycom. Correct.
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Under. Under 7 fleet.
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Yep.
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And. And mobile unit 5. I mean, obviously we can talk some of it publicly, not a lot, but. But the goal was to focus on Asia Pacific.
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Absolutely.
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And countering Chinese Communist Party influence in the region.
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100%. Yeah. Everything from mine warfare, you know, protecting ports and mines and anything we had to deal with. Whether we had to respond to something happening in somewhere in the region, maybe a particular island that's very important to US interests or maybe a certain peninsula.
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Like Korea, maybe it would logically follow that we were in the South China Sea area, the aor, that there would be places pertaining to that that we may have focused on or if we were near places like. I don't know Korea or Japan, which I know because I can see them on map.
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Right.
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And I'm not basing this off of any classified information that I may or may not know that I could see that if there was a unit that was stationed in that area, that perhaps they may be interested in that as well.
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Absolutely. Right. For deployed.
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Perhaps.
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Perhaps.
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Perhaps.
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Right. Yeah, perhaps.
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But, Tom, so I wanted to get into it with you just, just by way of background, because we do have this breaking news on, you know, something that has nothing to do with veterans, but I do want to pull that.
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Up in a minute.
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All right. It has to do with Jeffrey Epstein, and there's new emails that have come out between, I believe it's Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. And so I've been looking through these just as we've gone to Showtime here, and I'm looking at them, I see the Democrats are putting it out, Oversight Democrats. They received new emails. They put it out a couple of hours ago, and believe it or not, they mentioned Donald Trump, these messages. So, you know, and before we get into it directly, what's, what's kind of been your read on, on the Trump Epstein thing, just as someone who's not a member of the administration, someone, you know, who kind of looks at it, you're, you're obviously involved in the veteran community, involved in Special Forces community. What's, what's kind of the read there?
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Well, I think what just comes down to is that obviously Jeffrey Epstein was trying very hard to get his claws into Donald Trump for years, had been, but was largely unsuccessful. I mean, I think Trump kicked him out of Mar A Lago because he's getting a little frisky with one of the young female staffers there. Right. And I think he's been trying for a while. And now you see this stuff that's coming out now, and it really just looks like what are they really doing? Like they're trying to somehow like, hang this around his neck, but there's no connection there. These emails suggest something about Trump.
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Yeah, yeah, let's get into, let's get into that. But, but you're right, it looked for years that Epstein was trying to use Trump and use his name. And we're doing this on the fly power issue that we're trying to, we're going to make sure that doesn't become an issue.
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Right.
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But, but he was always trying to ingratiate himself into Trump's circle, which, which is what is always his.
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Anybody rich, powerful influence.
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Powerful, influential. He would ingratiate himself. And now we see because, and I'll talk about a second, but some of these emails pertain to when Trump was running for office.
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Right.
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The first time, how Jeffrey Epstein was trying to once again ingratiate himself. Now, he's already had legal troubles out there.
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Yeah.
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So just put in by way of context. But let's see, here's, here's probably, and I just want to drive into it in the first instance, here's probably the most, what I think is going to be the most controversial one. Just looking at it, it says, so these are emails between Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Right.
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She had a very top secret email address called gmax. Get it? Golain Maxwell, good name. I know, right. So it's, here's, here's what he's saying in 2011. Now, 2011, you go back and I have to look up the exact date. But this is, this is when police were coming after him the first time. And this is when actually Mueller was one of the people who was running the FBI operation. There was no federal charges that time around. Very strange. No federal charges. What Alex Costa got, the first labor secretary got, got rolled up in. Because they said, why didn't you charge this guy? He's doing this, but he ends up getting Florida charges. He gets the state charges for prostitution. He gets this sweetheart deal.
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Yeah. I think he was like going home every night or something.
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He's going home every night, leaving the West Palm Sheriff's. It was basically a sheriff station. He was like locked up and. But he could go. No, no, no. He could go home during the day, but he had to spend the night there.
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Oh, Steven Neezer.
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And so here's the, here's the email. It's Saturday, April 2nd. Jeffrey Epstein's Ghislaine Maxwell says, I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked and is Trump, it blanks out the name and it says, victim spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned, police chief, etc. I'm 75% there. Ghislaine Maxwell responds, I have been thinking about that. Yep. So people have gone in and looked at it and said, well, the 2018 situation had to do with, had to do with Virginia, Jeffrey. And so people like Techno Fog and people like our friend Greg Price have put out and said, no, he's incredible. He's best at what he does.
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Yeah.
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And they have the responses from Ghislaine Maxwell's contemporaneous testimony because she of course, came out publicly as the victim there and said right here, he didn't partake in any sex with any of us, but he flirted with me. And it's actually correction. They claimed that at the time. She says in her testimony, I want to just fix that. She says, it's not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump never flirted with me. He didn't partake in any sex with us. And then they say, where did you meet him? Is Virginia Duffrey at Mar a Lago? You know, my dad and him, I wouldn't say they were friends. And my dad knew him. And they would talk, not all the time, but when they saw each other. Have you ever been in Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein's presence with one another? Answer, Virginia to Frey? No.
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Right.
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So they asked her about this when she was on her own testifying.
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Right.
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So she would have had every quote, unquote, incentive she would have to come out forward if something were true.
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Right.
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She did not.
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And it looks like here, these emails are just coming from Michael Wolf was pushing, putting all these things out, and he was this next.
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Yeah. So Epstein. So Wolf is the next one. So. So that was the first email in 2011.
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Right.
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Where it's. It's just Epstein of Virginia, Jeffrey. But you can see it seems like he's trying to get Donald Trump rolled up into the investigation, clearly. But then you go back to the actual victim. They did ask her about Donald Trump. And so he's saying, so Epstein, because he doesn't know what the, what the police are asking. They're saying, wait a minute, how come they didn't talk to Trump? Well, they asked her about Trump and she said Trump wasn't involved.
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There you go. It's over. So what else is there?
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If, if you're running investigation, you can't just go. If someone tells you this guy wasn't involved, I mean, sure, you can go and talk to him. And we do know that Trump actually went to lawyers that were running this and said, please let me know whatever I can do to help you with Jeffrey Epstein, because I'm more than willing to tell you whatever. He'd already kicked him out of the.
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I think Mar a Lago. I think some of those investigators went out of their way to say he was actually the most cooperative. Right. You got the phone. He said, like, hey, how can I help you guys? What can I do?
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My number clearly just wrong here.
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But. Right.
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But on the, on the merits, this is the real question to say, because he said they spent hours together.
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Right? Yeah. That's the allegation.
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Pulling it up again. Spent hours at my home with him.
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And.
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And she said, no, we didn't.
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Right. So she had no reason to lie.
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So right there, you know, and this is what, 2015. That was 2011.
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2011.
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So that's. I think what he was trying to do is again, just get Trump rolled up in it so that, oh, if you're. Well, if you're coming after me, you got to go after him. And that obviously makes it much more high profile. Trump's money involved, et cetera, et cetera. Then you got 2015. That's where Michael Wolff starts sending these emails. And Michael Wolff is this. He's kind of a gossip blogger who just writes books. And I've met him, I've seen him around. And he does. Yeah, he just, he just takes rumors and he takes Oppo and he just.
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Prints it and he only checks out.
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Oh, gosh, now we're busted. We got about a minute left, but I'll, I'll say that then in, in those emails and let's do it. Actually, I see that he was sending these emails on my birthday, December 15th, that once again, this is when Trump is running for office. And then again in 2019, when Trump is, you know, or excuse me, when Epstein is getting, you know, about to be arrested, got rolled up. Now he's talking to Wolf again, trying once again get Trump involved, get Trump in there, trying to figure out ways to enrap Trump in all of this. Because that's what they want to do.
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Right?
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They want to make it as if Trump was a part of this operation, Trump was part of the network in order to, you know, either hurt. And the one is 2015. So they're trying to hurt him for the campaign, or on the other side, they said, oh, but Epstein could actually help you. Right, by saying that you weren't involved, and then maybe he'll owe you. So that's Wolf saying that he's just telling. He's even asking him what the truth is.
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He's.
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It's just.
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Well, they're just running off over asking.
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But he's not even asking what the truth is.
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Yeah.
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So what kind of journalists is. If you're just trying to get the truth, why would you ever say that to a source?
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You don't hate journalists enough.
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It actually sounds like a staffer could be. Actually sounds like a staffing relationship. We're gonna get back to this new Jeffrey Epstein emails. Jack Pasofic, Tom Sauer. Stay tuned.
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Day. You know, they talk about Influencers. These are influencers, and they're friends of mine. Jack. Where's Jack? Jack. He's got a great job.
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All right, Jack. We're back here live with Tom Sauer, Navy EOD veteran officer, also Marine veteran. And we're going through these Jeffrey Epstein emails together, the same way that, you know, when, when we were in the Navy, we might go through some, some hot intel, you know, figure it out together. So this, this next email, it's with Michael Wolf, and he says, I hear CNN is planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you. This is 2015, on my birthday, December 15th. Epstein responds, if we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be? This is really strange because this is not the type of communication that you'd have with, With a, With a reporter.
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No, it's somebody doing oppo research. That's what they're doing, it seems.
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Yeah, but not only that. It's.
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It's.
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They seem to be.
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He's.
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He's being interactive with Epstein. Yeah, he's not asking Epstein, hey, what's the truth of your relationship with Donald Trump?
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Right.
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He say he's going. Epstein is going to him and saying, how can I profit off of this?
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Yeah.
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How can I turn this into the best use for me? And, and Wolf responds to him.
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Yes.
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And says, I mean, just, just from a journalistic perspective, this is, this is really bad.
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Right.
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Not that I think that anyone thought that he was, like, a serious journalist, but this is really bad. You're breaking, like, every code of journalistic ethics.
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Right.
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He's saying, and Wolf says, I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the House, then that gives you valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you, or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, it's possible that when asked, he'll say, jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime. So he's. And by the way, Michael Wolff emails this to Epstein and says, heads up, and marks it high importance.
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Right. And that doesn't sound to me like anybody who's a journalist. That, that sounds to me like a political operative.
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Yeah.
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Who's. I mean, that's what that is straight up right there. I mean, well, then of course, we're talking about journalists. You know, it's kind of One of the same.
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I read this, honestly, I read this email.
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Right.
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It doesn't give me questions about Trump's relationship with Epstein. I have more questions about Wolf's relationship with Epstein. Looking at this because he get an invite. It's like, I mean, I don't know, but.
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Right.
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You know, he knew how to party, apparently.
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You know, obviously we could ask a lot of questions, but it just, yeah. It doesn't read to me like, you know, would you be willing to share with me.
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Right.
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The details of your relationship so that I can report them? He's, he's not saying that. He's, he's giving him the heads up. I mean, it's, it's very, it's very strange.
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Yeah. And also this is, and this is also what, 2015.
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That's 2015.
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Right. This is right when Trump campaign starting. It's like they threw as much stuff on the wall to see would stick and, you know, look like there was kind of a dead end here with the Epstein stuff. But, hey, you know, they got traction with the Russia hoax. They got a lot of traction. Right.
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This was, this is prior to the Russia hoax. Hasn't even really been invented at the.
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Correct.
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Maybe it's, you know, maybe they're kind of kicking it around right. Over at DNI with Rapper and Brennan. Or maybe we can tie him to Russia.
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Right. No, that's it.
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And, and of course, you got to think they didn't want to bring up Epstein that much.
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Why? Because he was in.
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Who was he running against?
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Right.
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Because he'd run against Hillary Clinton.
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Right.
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If you bring up Epstein, you're going to get, you know, you're going to get that, that, that too for hit. So let's go. So they go to Russia instead.
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They did.
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Good point, actually.
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Yeah.
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See, this is why we then. 2019. So this is when he's facing his next and what would ultimately be his final arrest. January 2019. Trump's in office, has become president. He's been president for a few years. Just actually, just about two years in a couple of weeks at this point. And it says blank, mar a Lago, blank. Trump said he asked me to resign. Never a member ever. Of course he knew about the girls. He asked Ghislaine to stop. And, you know, we don't know exactly what the response is to that. We do know that that's around the time that, that, you know, he was facing another arrest. Yep. And we do know a time where it does seem like he's talking about Virginia Giuffre. And I'm just gonna say my read on this. My read on this is that. And it's. And it's just true. Ghislaine. Where did Ghislaine Maxwell. Because I've studied the case. Where did Ghislaine Maxwell meet Virginia Giuffre? At Mar A Lago? She was one of the spa girls, so she met her down there. She was the daughter of a member, and she was working there.
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And.
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And Ghislaine Maxwell. But what. What made Trump really upset is that Ghislaine Maxwell had been poaching employees from Mar A Lago by going to them and saying, oh, you know, you work here. Would you like some? Why don't you come work in private? You won't have to work a shift. We can just. You can just come work for my client, Jeff. Mr. Jeffrey Epstein.
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Right.
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And you can. He'll be your sole client, and we'll pay you more than Mar A Lago does. So she goes and poaches the employee.
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And so to a teenage girl, that's a good deal.
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And so when I read this. When I read this thing about, you know, this thing, you know, we don't. And we don't. Unless I'm pulling it up, I don't see any other, you know, change. I just see the one email, so I don't know what he's responding to. So.
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Which is a tell, by the way.
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Which is. Yeah, why wouldn't. That's a. That's a great tell. Why would you not have released the full chain of emails? Democrats. Why wouldn't you give me all the information? You're selectively making it look like something is edited so that you can't give me the question he's responding to. And so this is an email without any context.
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Right.
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It says, of course he knew about the girls. He asked. Jillian, stop. Well, the question that I would have is, could he have just been asking about poaching employees?
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Very well could have been, because we.
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Know that's something that, by the way, the Democrats already reported themselves.
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Right. In other leaks, that was his M.O. and that's also. Correct me if I'm wrong, that's part of the reason why Epstein got kicked out of Mar A Lago. Right.
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He was getting a little girl, a little too frisky. And also because he was poaching.
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B
Yeah.
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And so, you know, it's. It's obviously something you don't do. Obviously. It's something that. Excuse me. It's something that would certainly annoy you very much because you're still in my employees, and you find. You find a good employee, you're at the middle of the season. Season, you know, and that's something you want out. Now, that being said, I'm. I'm more than willing to entertain that. That he could have asked. He could have been talking about something else.
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Sure.
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But we don't know that because they didn't release the other email.
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B
Exactly. And that's the difference with what you do here compared to what any, any of the clowns over, like CNN or smbc, all they do is they tell you, they say, here's this email, and it suggests Trump knew about all these things. And instead here, you know, we go through like, well, what did the emails actually say? Let's go to the primary source document.
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A
You still have to come up to the question of what. Why didn't Virginia Jeffrey, in her own testimony say that she had done these things with Trump if this were all true?
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B
Right.
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A
So once again, ultimately, it's just Epstein trying to pull Trump in and implicate him in his own crimes. Jack Krasobic, Tom Sauer, we are here going through the Epstein emails on Human Events. Dale right back.
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And Jack, where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who've been getting bullishers.
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All right, Jack, yourself. We're back live here, Human Events Daily. We're on location with Tom Sauer today on Real America's Voice. But folks, you know, I got to tell you something. You got to pay attention to what's happening with the dollar. You got to pay attention to what's happening with debt, the central banks, the great reset. Folks, we're still in the midst of the fourth turning. How's your fourth turning going? I know mine's going really swell. Folks, when things get rocky, gold has always been the safe haven. But now gold isn't just defensive, it's an offensive asset. It's already around $4,000 an ounce, and analysts are forecasting that it could go over five. Just go take a look at it today. It's popping off that. That's why I've been working with my partners at Allegiance Gold for the past three years. They help you protect your savings in retirement with real physical gold and silver. Not paper promises. No paper hands around here. Diamond hands. And right where I should say Gold and silver hands. And right now, Allegiance Gold is making it even better. They'll donate 1% of qualified investments from my audience to Turning Point USA. That's pretty cool. Or if you want another great America first organization in addition to the 1% you already qualify for, so you can protect your wealth and support the movement at the same time. And what you want to do is, if you've been waiting for a sign, this is it. Don't overthink it. Don't wait until it's too late. See what's going on with Gold today. Give them a call, 844-577-7676 or visit protectwithpost.com that's 844-577-7676 or protect with poso.com Protect your future and stand with me fighting for America. So Tom wanted to get in and you know, we're on dropsite news. This. That's Ryan Grim and he's conservative by.
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B
No, not at all.
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A
You know, I've done some stuff with him. I moderate. I had a debate with the Libertarian presidential candidate last year, Chase Oliver, on Zero Hedge. And Ryan Graham was one of the moderators. And I thought he did a great job. And he and I did not exactly see eye to eye on how to deal with the narco terrorists.
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B
Right.
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A
And I actually remember specifically saying to him in the middle of that interview, so what would you do with them? And I said, well, Ryan, I would, I propose to kill them. And we use violence to do so.
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B
Right.
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A
And he didn't. He didn't. I don't think he was on board with that. But you know who is on board with that?
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B
Donald Trump.
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Donald Trump and the War Department. That's exactly what our glorious United States Navy has been doing.
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B
Absolutely. No, and I think people don't realize that. I think there's a much stronger case for us having a military presence, military action in Latin America and in the Western Hemisphere than there is in the Middle East.
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Yeah. For terrorists. For terrorists, Exactly. I'm on board with the regime change stuff.
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B
Stuff.
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A
But.
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B
And you can talk about.
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A
On this issue.
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B
Yes, yes. And you can talk about how. Well, you know, there's some definite problems with us being ready to fight a near peer competitor. Like if we actually got in a shooting war with the Chinese or the Russians or something like that, we have to be ready for that. But one thing that we are really good at is special operations, counterterrorism, killing narco terrorists. We're, we're really good at winning those battles.
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A
Yeah. Those fast Boats and the semi submersibles are basically your, your ISIS pickup trucks of.
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B
On the water of the Caribbean. Right.
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It's the same target set to send, and you can use the same platform to reach out and touch them.
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B
Yeah, and absolutely. And also one thing I think is really important because we had a conversation with a friend last night about this, who you're talking about, Right. A senior person in the administration we had a way to talk with. And one big reason, the real reason is not just stopping the drugs, and that's a big one, but also our presence in Latin America, in southcom, is really also about getting China out of there. Right. Because the Chinese have a ton of influence out in there. I mean, the Panama Canal, they practically own the damn thing for a while. And they, they've got their claws and their little tentacles.
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A
They're building port after port after port down there.
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B
And that's our backyard.
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A
And in fact, prior to now, we're going far afield. But prior to, you know, prior to the g. What. Yeah, this was always the point of Guantanamo Bay. The original purpose of Guantanamo Bay, 1898, after the Spanish American War. It's our, it's our oldest overseas base, was to maintain that US Navy presence for our projection in the Caribbean. And so this is the entire point. And, and by the way, it wasn't just drug runners at the time. We had, again, 1890s, guess what, we had slave ships.
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B
Right.
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A
We had, we had like mercenaries.
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B
We had gun runners.
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A
Gun runners, by the way. Pirates.
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B
Yeah.
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Act like actual pirates. Gun runners. Yeah, Literal pirates of the Caribbean that. That existed. And so, you know, I was digging into this. I said, you know, how can the United States Navy be conducting lethal operations in the country Caribbean? I said, do you understand the history of the United States Navy at all?
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B
Where it started? It's where it started.
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A
A lot of it started doing that there and then like, you know, off the coast of Tripoli.
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B
Sure.
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A
But anyway, not to get too far off in that Ryan Grimm bunch of articles that, you know, and it's been something that I've been reading. I haven't always covered on the show, but I'll just, I'll put it out here. And Israeli spy stayed for weeks at a time with Jeffrey Epstein in Manhattan. He had that story out just yesterday.
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B
Right.
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A
I was covering down on Veterans Day. But this is a. An aid for Ehud Barak. And we knew that Ehud Barack, who had been the Prime Minister of Israel, was directly tied with Jeffrey Epstein here we see again that he was staying for weeks At a time with him. He helped Israel. And he's got a couple other calls. He helped Israel sell a surveillance state to Kotovar, so. To Ivory Coast. Worked on directly with the two of them.
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B
Yep.
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A
Jeffrey Epstein, how the sex trafficker helped Israel build a back channel to Russia amid the Syrian civil war. And actually pull up the date on that, because that's probably around the same time that he was talking Syrian civil war. That's probably 2014, 2015 timeframe. Let's see, I was right here between 2013 and 2016, working to build a back channel with someone he knew who was tied to Russia during the Syrian civil war. And so you look at this trove of emails.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That. That they also have over a drop site. I didn't want to overlook those either. It was a huge scoop that they had. And look, if you want to dig into Epstein's operations, you got to find out what he was up to. It's as simple as that.
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B
But, Jack, we were reliably told by our betters that Jeffrey Epstein had no connection to foreign intelligence or American intelligence. That's what they told us.
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A
Because that's not what we see in.
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B
It's so strange here at all.
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A
And look, it's as simple as that. And we know, by the way, that so much of the Syrian civil war was an intelligence operation that was run by elements of the CIA that was run by elements. And here we're seeing Israeli intelligence and a number of the Gulf states were involved in this, and Turkey, of course, bringing up the opposition to, at the.
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D
Time.
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A
Bashar Al Assad.
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B
Right.
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A
So Bashar al Assad, he was the leader. His father had been the leader, and the Turks wanted to take him out. And it's really interesting how this. This guy Al Jelani, who had been the head of a pro Turkey terrorist group, is now suddenly the guy who's taken over Damascus. It's kind of. Kind of funny how that works.
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B
Wasn't he just in the Oval yesterday?
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A
He certainly was.
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B
He's like, they're trying out cologne. It looked great.
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A
Or Monday.
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B
Yeah, Monday. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I did.
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A
I did appreciate how Trump asked him how many wives he has.
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B
I was.
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A
I'll give. I'll give.
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B
People don't appreciate how funny that man is.
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A
But.
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B
But.
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But at the same time, you know, you gotta. You gotta be careful with that. Because it's one thing to say we'll work with someone, but it's also another thing to say that, you know, we're gonna prop up a guy who had been, up until, you know, a couple of months ago, involved in terrorist organization.
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B
I think he's a hand cutter. They refer to him as a hand cutter.
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A
Head. Hand cutter and head.
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B
Oh, and head cutter.
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A
Okay. Head chopper. And. And so these are. No, these are. These are bad guys. These are absolutely bad guys. And it, you know. You know, and it just. It reminded me of when. When Reagan sat down with the Afghanistan opposition at the time, who would go on to become the Taliban, which was Al Qaeda. And there was a little thing, and you can York that happened. And so, you know, when you look at all these things, you put it all together, you see the influence of Jeffrey Epstein, you see the direct connection with these politicians and trying to get connections to more politicians like Donald Trump. And I'm just going to say it seems like he was trying and failing. It seems like he was trying and failing to build that connection. You really have to ask yourself the question, how many pots was he involved in? You know, not just. Not just foreign policy, but also honey pots.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it's a real question for all of us is how much do we know about foreign policy involves blackmail.
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B
Oh, of course. I mean, it goes, like, throughout history. I mean, it's a pretty common thing. Yes. This is. I mean, it's kind of the easiest method if you really want to compromise some people, you know, is you use sex. Right.
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A
I've seen. So I've seen a lot of people point out, they say, well, now that Epstein is off the playing field, you know, how do you. You know, what. Who's. Who's running it now?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And one of the best theories that I think I've heard is that you don't need a nephew now because you have the Internet. True.
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B
Thank you. A lot of that.
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A
Right. So all you need to do is pull someone's search history, pull their online pornography history, and it kind of serves the same purpose.
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B
Stay away from that stuff in any.
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A
Ways or if you're involved in any of the. I mean, there was a guy in James Talarico who just got, you know, they just found that he'd been following a bunch of only fans model. That's all this other stuff. And that was like, out in the public.
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B
Yeah, like that was an easy one. Yeah. There's so many of those things. Well, one, it kind of just stay away from that stuff. I mean, that's just the easiest one out there. But at the same time, you got to hand it to Israel, like, they've got some serious game. They really do. I mean, they do. You know, I mean, that's one of the huge asymmetric advantages that they have. I mean, and you ask, you talk to folks who are former intelligence folks from our country and others that they'll say that, like, hey, they've got some of the best intelligence game there is. They really do.
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A
I mean, and that's, and that's why, you know, even in the US military, we have red forces, we have blue forces, we also have green forces.
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B
That's right.
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A
And so, and Israel has always been considered a green force.
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B
Right.
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Sometimes you partner, sometimes that partnership goes, it gets a little one sided. And so you always have to be on the lookout for that. And in this case, you know, you've got Jeffrey Epstein, you've got ahu Barak, you've got who, who was the head.
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B
Of, of Mossad, right?
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A
Of Mossad, yeah. He was the head of Israeli intelligence. So we're not saying that this is some conspiracy. No, he's literally the guy. You know, he was, he was the one. So. And to be involved as heavily as they were in the overthrow of Bashar Al Assad, which by the way was successful, really begs the question, why was Jeffrey Epstein involved in the overthrow of Bashar al Assad? Jack Kobek, Tom Sauer, back here, Real America's Voice from Events Daily.
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D
Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country.
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A
Amen. All right, Jack Krasovic, we're back here. Human Events Daily, Real America's voice, by the way, you know, I just wanted to say that, you know, whenever they play that clip of President Trump and me and he's talking about the book and he's encouraging people to go buy it, that I don't know if people know this, but that clip Charlie Kirk filmed that we were backstage at a Turning Point action rally in October of 2024 and it was me, the president, Charlie, and obviously the whole senior staff was there. And I had asked the President if he would just accept a copy of it. And then Charlie goes, why don't you film a little video, Mr. President? And he pulls up his own phone and just films that and we do it and he sends it to him and he said, jack got you. And it's just, yeah, Charlie actually filmed that little backlore for Human Events Daily. Folks, did you know that Utah and Florida recently banned fluoride in Their drinking water. Why are they doing a massive U turn on something that's been pumped into our water for 80 years? The government claims fluoride for healthy teeth, and that's just nanny state nonsense. Honestly, you don't need bureaucrat medicating your water. You need the freedom to choose pure water. That's why my family uses Cove Pure, a countertop water purifier certified to remove up to 99.9% of impurities. That includes fluoride and other garbage like PFAS, fertilizer runoff, you name it. The first thing I noticed is the taste. Cove Pure helps water because what it's supposed to taste like, pure, clean, no aftertaste. The best part is that you can choose any temperature, hot or cold, with just one tap. Myself, Tanya Tay, the kids, they love it. It's so easy. There's no drilling, no plumbers. You just fill it in, you plug it in, it's done. You get the water you want. Head to codepure.com poso and you will now get, a limited time $200 off. The government has no business forcing things in your water. Don't wait for them to sort out pure water. You have to do it yourself. That's covpure.composo co.com poso for $200 off. All right, Tom, I got to get in on this now because people know, like, you know, you're a veteran. I'm a veteran. You work in veterans advocacy, and it's been something that you've been an absolute leader on. And President Trump was talking about the H1B program. He was, I guess, yesterday. And this is just completely roiled up everyone online. Why is it that you would say that maga, America first and particularly the veteran community gets so upset when they hear about the H1B program?
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B
I think it just comes down to jobs and skilled labor and housing and affordability. Right? Where I mean, right off the bat, that's the easiest one there. And you consider the fact that, you know, if I know folks out there who have a computer science degrees from top schools, they are struggling to get a good job. Right? Because. Because we've got other. We've got. We're importing cheap labor and they're practically, you know, indentured servants, practically slaves. Right. For a fraction of the money. It's a real problem here. And it's not just in the tech space, but it's all over the place, right? It's within housing. It's like having skilled labor for housing to be able to build enough houses Right. In this country. Also, we've got way too many people that are, that shouldn't be here. So we're not even talking about just illegal immigration. It's all immigration like that. What you don't realize this is creating.
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A
Downward pressure on wages.
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B
Right.
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A
And it's forcing every American to have to compete with every other worker around the world. Especially when, and this isn't an immigration situation, but especially when you count the outsourcing that goes on because of work.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I have a good friend, you know, I'm still boneless, who trained a workforce that's overseas and he was told that they were going to be his staff and then immediately, once he was done training, he lost his job.
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B
It was terrible. Yeah, a lot of cases that I've seen plenty of examples.
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A
So we all have. So in, in the veteran. I'll just ask, from a basic perspective, are 100% of our veterans employed today in America? They are not. Interesting. So, so we do have unemployed veterans.
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B
And who have skills and do those.
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A
Yeah, I was going to anticipate involved. Do, do American veterans have skills and talents?
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B
Absolutely. And some discipline, too.
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A
And a little bit of discipline. Military discipline, work experience, military bearing and discipline. So they have all that. They have work experience. They're not 100% employed. And so the question then is why does it seem like these foreign workers are being brought in before every single American veteran has a job?
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B
I think it's coming down to an issue of corporate profits. Right. I mean, our friend Steve Bannon obviously talks about this quite a bit and he's absolutely right where it's like, oh.
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A
Ben, does he have an opinion?
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B
A little bit. A little bit. Right. He's got a little bit of opinion on it, but that's what you're looking at. And, and even when I talk to other companies that want to like, do work with the government as well, one of the things I say to them is like they'll throw about things, throw up things like, hey, this contributed gdp, I go get that word out of your vocabulary. Just because line go up does not mean prosperity for Americans. You emphasize, and your focus needs to be on creating good paying jobs for American workers. And there is plenty of opportunity and there's plenty of a labor force there. But if you're importing cheap foreign labor, who. And then they themselves are practically slaves because they can't leave. Because if they leave the job or then they'll get deported as well. No, it's nothing good for them either. And I think this is something really important. And this is why Charlie Kirk was so valuable to our movement and why his loss is a loss to the American first and the entire MAGA movement. Because he was the guy who was constantly talking to the administration at the highest levels like, hey, this immigration thing is a real problem. You need to watch this. Right? And we don't have Charlie be on campus.
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A
He'd be on campus day in and day out, hearing what the kids were saying, hearing what Gen Z was saying, hearing what that generation was saying. They're saying, wait a minute, why do we have to go into the workforce and compete with every single foreign laborer when they come across and people say what they were. And I always hear this, this refrain too, they say, oh, well, they're, they're willing to work harder. Of course they are, because they want to be in the country, right. They have an incentive to be here, right. To, to work for less. Because the benefit from them is they get to come in the country. And then the other piece of it too is they do then get access to the American system, to American health care, to all of this, which, by the way, SNAP benefits, you know, all of these benefits are on the backs of the taxpayers. The company doesn't have to worry about it.
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B
Right. I mean, we think about when something like 40 million, where American taxpayers are subsidizing 40 million other people in this country, right. For their EBT and SNAP benefits. Right. That's why groceries are so expensive. Right. That's why cost of living is so down. You know, is, is so much harder to compete. I mean, and you see that you're.
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A
Saying that there's a connection between demand, supply and prices.
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B
It seems like there is sometimes. Yeah, I did take.
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A
We're uncovering. Yeah, uncovering and discovering all new things about, about our economy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And demand can affect price.
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B
And it's not just about. And things. People look and say GDP is this GDP is that or something like that? And it's like, well, also when the GDP is wrapped up in a dozen tech companies, which might be in a little bit of a bubble, who knows, right? But the thing is, is further, you should look more like the health of the American people.
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A
Yeah, I've said so. I was on Volcano the other day, right. And I didn't talk about the gdp, but I said we need to stop talking about the economy. We start talking about economic conditions.
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B
Right.
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A
And economic conditions are not the same thing. And I'll say here on this program, we need to stop the worship of the gdp.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
You need to stop. It seems like conservatives only care about conserving the gdp. They don't care about the social conditions or the living conditions or the economic conditions of the average American or the median American. They only care about conserving the gdp. And also, there's a great substack. Lomas and I have chatted about this and that. That really goes to show you that it's just a theory.
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B
Right.
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A
It's just, it's an economic model. It's not even a real thing.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And yet we talk about it like it is. So, Tom, put all that together. We're in our final minute here. Just, just so when, when we hear this, this push for more H1B or expansion of H1B, what kind of message does that send to all these people that we're talking about, particularly American veterans?
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B
It tells you that you're not. I think it really says we don't value you as much. We worship GDP and we worship profits more than we do the health of the American worker and the health of the American nation. It really does. I mean, look, drive two hours in any direction in this country and you will see what a lot of just the economic despair and that. And that all ties into the addiction. Right. Crime, unaffordability of living, all that stuff.
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A
Which, which a lot of veterans fall into. Puns are new because they get blocked out from the workforce.
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B
Right? They absolutely do. And then, and, and it really.
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A
This is a cycle. And I, I know you've worked on this because you had, you ran rehab centers, that this is a cycle that typically happens when they're transit, transit making that transition from military life to civilian life.
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B
Right. They do. And then especially when economic conditions are. There's despair, then you start having the deaths of despair. And I mean, there's a reason why the opioid crisis followed immediately after the shutdown.
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A
Tom Sauer, where do people go to follow you, brother?
- [47:40]
B
At Thomas B. Source on everyone's favorite website, x.comx.com all.
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A
Right, Tom, Sal, thank you, buddy.
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B
Appreciate it, brother.
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A
Glad to have you here. It's an honor. As always. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have permission later. This is an iHeart podcast.