Human Events with Jack Posobiec, November 27th, 2025

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Human Events with Jack Posobiec (November 27, 2025)

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of "Human Events Daily" with Jack Posobiec offers a deep-dive investigation into the circumstances and subcultures surrounding Tyler Robinson, the accused assassin of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk. Joined by guest Liz Wheeler, the discussion centers on a series of leaks regarding Robinson’s relationship with his roommate Lance Twiggs, exploring their personal lives, radicalization, unhealthy dynamics, and the broader ideological and cultural forces at play. The show aims to unpack the motivations behind the crime and connect them to growing trends in youth radicalization, degenerative online subcultures, and leftist/transgender ideology.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Background of the Case: Tyler Robinson and the Killing of Charlie Kirk

• Overview: Authorities identified Tyler Robinson of Utah, age 22, as the alleged shooter in the murder of Charlie Kirk ([05:27]).
• Motivation Investigation: The episode addresses the leaked information that might shed light on Robinson’s motivations and mental state.
• Leaks Origin: A YouTuber known as Turkey Tom published videos and Substack posts based on leaks from a supposed insider who was a friend and on-and-off roommate of Robinson and his partner, Twiggs ([05:29]; [15:19]).

"I wanted to take a little bit of time to do a special deep dive... on who was the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk. Tyler Robinson... These leaks that have come out paint a possible answer and a very dark picture."
— Jack Posobiec ([05:29])

2. Authenticity and Nature of the Leaks

• Corroboration Efforts: Liz Wheeler and Jack note that verification efforts included comparing leaked photos to publicly available listings, matching personal details, and corroborating timelines and relationships ([17:09], [18:26]).
• Decentralized Media: Both Jack and Liz discuss the difficulties in decentralized information, the rise of niche internet communities, and how this story crossed from YouTube drama channels into mainstream political discourse ([17:09]).

"The proof that this individual provided—photos of inside the apartment, photos of Lance Twigs’s really demented artwork, insider accounts of verifiable background details... These are answers we've been looking for."
— Liz Wheeler ([15:19])

"With the decentralization of information, even those of us who work in media may miss something... there are sort of different silos of information these days."
— Jack Posobiec ([17:09])

3. Toxic Relationship and Apartment Environment

• "The Nest": Insider descriptions and photos reveal that Lance Twigs maintained a hoarder-like "nest" filled with wires, trash, and mold experiments, which expanded as his mental health deteriorated ([31:55]).
• Mental Health Decline: Both Robinson and Twiggs are painted as embroiled in worsening mental health crises, exacerbated by their living conditions.

"It starts with a table full of wires all twisted together... wires and junk and trinkets from online stores, notes and artwork written in pen in this really vigorous, aggressive way... this is what Lance Twigs described as his nest."
— Liz Wheeler ([31:55])

4. Sexual Dynamics and Subcultures

• Furry Fetish & "Puppy Play": The relationship featured elements of the furry subculture (especially “cub porn” and “puppy play”) and is described by both hosts as deeply unhealthy and depraved ([35:14], [36:03]).
• Grooming & Dependency: Liz speculates, based on the leaks, that Robinson may have been sexually groomed by Twiggs, especially as both were abusing substances.

"This in itself is like hoarder on steroids... then you add into it their propensity for sexual fetishes, this furry sexual fetish... it's a fetish where grown men dress up like animals in order to have perverted sex with each other."
— Liz Wheeler ([31:55])

"The slang term that is used in the furry community for what you're describing is called puppy play or pup play... we already know that Tyler Robinson was looking at furry porn, which included what they call cub porn..."
— Jack Posobiec ([35:14])

5. Substance Abuse and Black Market Hormone Therapy

• Heavy Drug Use: Twiggs is described as a heavy user of THC, shrooms, LSD, and Molly; both were caught up in cycles of substance-fueled instability ([45:58]).
• Black Market HRT: Twiggs was reportedly self-administering hormone replacement therapy without medical supervision, further complicating his mental state ([45:58]).

"This insider... describes Lance Twigs as a... frequent user... vaped THC, used shrooms, LSD, Molly... in addition to hormone replacement therapy that wasn't prescribed to him by a doctor, just from a local drug dealer."
— Liz Wheeler ([45:58])

6. Radicalization and Ideological Drift

• Family Tensions: Robinson’s shift in politics toward leftism and pro-trans ideology led to disputes with his Republican family, particularly his father ([03:33]).
• Online Subcultures: The hosts tie Robinson’s radicalization to his immersion in chronically online communities, particularly radical left-wing and trans spaces, coupled with social isolation and a desperate search for meaning or identity ([50:05], [51:42]).

"There is a lot of left-wing violence that is happening right now... it is important to understand why this is happening and how these people are being formed into the revolutionaries... Tyler Robinson decided to do this. This was a decision, this was a plan. This was part of some kind of sick game."
— Jack Posobiec ([25:48], [52:46])

7. Criminal Motivation & the Incel Dynamic

• Incel Theories: Jack discusses the idea that Robinson might have been a virgin before meeting Twiggs, likening his arc to “incel rage” scenarios where downwardly mobile white males, seeking validation or meaning, turn to extreme and degenerate subcultures as an escape ([47:40]).
• Seeking Validation: Speculation arises that Robinson's act may have been an attempt to impress or gain validation from Twiggs ([47:40]).

"It actually sounds like this was incel behavior from Tyler Robinson’s case... in a way, it's almost like he was searching for a way to lose that virginity... and then just kind of overdoses on these Internet subcultures, completely snaps..."
— Jack Posobiec ([47:40])

8. Cultural Reflection & Historic Parallels

• Leopold and Loeb Comparison: Near the episode’s end, Jack compares the case to the 1924 Chicago murder by Leopold and Loeb—focusing on the similarities of youthful, dependent, sexually charged, homicidal relationships ([60:35]).
• Ideological Roots: Liz argues that the root cause is a combination of godlessness, the pernicious influence of critical race and gender theory, and a societal trend of transforming identity through victimhood and ideological extremism ([63:00]).

"The connective tissue there is godlessness... both of which require it in order to be a practitioner... this one-two punch to transform young people from just normal kids... to these radical revolutionaries."
— Liz Wheeler ([63:00])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On verifying internet “leaks” and independent research:

  • "We want to be shown the evidence. We want to watch the sausage being made. We don't want to just believe it because it's a salacious headline... Evidence is very important."
    — Liz Wheeler ([21:49])

• On the parallels with infamous crimes:

  • "It reminds me so much of the story... Leopold and Loeb... two people who were caught and had done this because simply they decided to, to show their prowess."
    — Jack Posobiec ([60:35])

• On the broader cultural context:

  • "Understanding the totality of what formed the ideology... is important to understand why this is happening and how these people are being formed into the revolutionaries, these violent revolutionaries that they are."
    — Liz Wheeler ([52:46])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:13 | Posobiec introduces the thesis: "fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare"| | 05:27 | Identification of Tyler Robinson as Kirk's accused assassin | | 15:19 | Liz Wheeler describes the origin and corroboration of the leaks | | 17:09 | Discussion on the challenges of decentralized information | | 31:55 | Description of the apartment, "the nest," and early signs of dysfunction | | 35:14 | Furry subculture, sexual fetishes, and their relevance to the case | | 45:58 | Drug use, black market HRT, and their mental health impacts | | 47:40 | Incel theory, digital subculture, and Robinson's search for meaning | | 52:46 | Society's urge to humanize monsters & the importance of understanding ideology| | 60:35 | Parallel to Leopold and Loeb; historical and cultural context | | 63:00 | School indoctrination and youth radicalization—“one-two punch” theory |

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Concluding Thoughts

The episode ends with both hosts reiterating the need to fully understand the environment, relationships, and ideologies that produce violent actors like Robinson, not to excuse but to confront the roots of this rising social pathology. They urge listeners and authorities to examine all the facets—mental health, online radicalization, sexual subcultures, drugs, and ideological influences—if society is to prevent similar tragedies.
The episode frames the murder as part of a broader crisis afflicting America’s youth, highlighting not just personal dysfunction, but what they see as the dangerous consequences of contemporary ideological trends and online communities.

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Find more from Liz Wheeler:

• YouTube.com/LizWheeler
• X.com @Liz_Wheeler
• The Liz Wheeler Show (Spotify)

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For further review:

• Turkey Tom's YouTube channel and Substack for source materials and reporting on the case.

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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.

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[Narrator/Reporter]

Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trans rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was trans. Transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.

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Fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk as 22.

[Jack Posobiec]

Year old Tyler Robinson of Utah. Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. And I wanted to take a little bit of time to do a special deep dive and a deep dive special on who was the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk. Tyler Robinson. And there's been a lot of questions about this, there's been a lot of theories about this. But then one day a couple of weeks ago, something very interesting happened. A YouTuber by the name of Turkey Tom, who is known for his videos on Commentary, his videos on E Drama, his videos on games, put out a very interesting video. Now, he had done a video about Tyler Robinson right after he was arrested for Charlie Kirk's murder. But then he put out another video and he said that in response to the first video, someone had reached out to him, someone who was a friend and sometime even roommate of both Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs. The boyfriend, trans lover of Tyler Robinson. And so after that person reached out, this leaker, this whistleblower reached out, he then began to provide a story, a sordid tale of what really went on between those two. This toxic relationship, dabbling in not only leftism and trans ideology, the furry subculture, but really deep and deranged behavior, Hard drugs, schizophrenia, and an interesting obsession with ChatGPT and in fact, even the use of black market HRT, hormone replacement therapy, truneshine. And so when you dig through these leaks and there are photos, by the way, internal photos of the apartment that only could have been obtained by someone who was actually in there, there are messages from the Discord Channel that were screenshotted and leaked out that again, only could have been obtained if someone was actually in there. And I'll say this is a reported leaker, but it all rings very, very true. And the points of corroboration on these leaks from the photos have been lined up with the home of where Lance and Tyler Robinson lived at the time. They've also been corroborated with some of the other online activity, some of the photos and the video games and accounts that were used, lineup as well. And so we'll say we'll take this as a reported leaker and we'll leave it at that. But it does beg some understanding and I think some scrutiny of what actually was going on in this nest. What was really going on in this relationship? Who was the driving force in this relationship? Who was the one who had the true mental issues? Was it Lance Twiggs? What role did he play, if any, in all of this? And how did all of this affect Tyler Robinson? How did it get him to the point where authorities allege he climbed the roof of the LOSI building, Utah Valley University, with his grandfather's Mauser and fired a shot down into an amphitheater. A shot that struck and killed our friend Charlie Kirk. What's the backstory? How did this happen? Why did this happen? What was the motivation? These leaks that have come out, these reported leaks paint a possible answer and a very dark picture. So we are going to dig into the twisted world of Tyler Robinson today. Liz Wheeler is joining us. Around the bend we write back. Human events daily. Real America's voice.

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On September 10, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, Jack Pasovic, we're back live here, Human Events Daily. And of course, as we're talking about all of this, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring on someone who's been doing so much yeoman's work on it herself. It is my friend Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz Wheeler Show. Liz, welcome to Human Events Daily.

[Liz Wheeler]

Hi, Jack. Thanks for having me.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, just, just, just on a, on a, on a, you know, the story behind the story perspective. How was it that the Turkey Tom Leaks, you know, first crossed your radar?

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, this was a, this is a very interesting story and one that I'm surprised. I think you probably feel the same way. Hasn't gotten more traction than it has. I did not see these leaks. This insider, this individual who was friends with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs, he says that he spent six years playing magic cards and video Games, going over to Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson's apartment, He is able to paint a pretty intimate portrait into who Tyler Robinson is, who Lance Twigs is, what their relationship was like, what their sexual relationship was like, what the state of their apartment was like, what the state of their mental health was like. Giving us a lot of context into how these individuals or how Tyler Robinson, specifically, how he was radicalized, how he might have gotten to the point that he would be motivated to commit the crime that he is accused of committing. And Jack, to be honest, I didn't see this report until about two or three days after it was published. And I think that I was still one of the first to see it, even though it was a couple of days after it had been published. Someone sent it to me and said, hey, have you seen this? And I looked into it, and I looked into verifying these reports because you don't believe everything you see in here on the Internet. And the proof that this individual provided, you know, photos of inside the apartment, photos of Lance Twigs is really demented artwork, photos of this nest of just junk and garbage and trash that he created in the living room, and then insider accounts of verifiable background details. That's. I mean, it is the story that you hear with a lot of these things. Someone says, hey, what do you think of this? And it leads you down this investigative path to, as you said in your intro, I think a lot of answers that we've been looking for.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, I think that's right. And. And, you know, I think it does also speak, you know, and we could, you know, grouse about it, but how there's sort of like different, you know, there's different silos of information these days. And with the decentralization of information, you know, even. Even those of us who work in media, you know, if we're not watching YouTube all the time or watching, you know, different pockets, you know, we may miss something where this. By the time I had seen it, it already had something like 800,000 views. But then before I saw your episode and some people, you know, reaching out about it, it hadn't crossed over into conservative media at all or. Or news media, because it was sort of in the YouTuber community. And I just think it's. It's kind of interesting that it worked that way. What did you make of. And I've seen some people that have gone in and worked on corroborative efforts to say, okay, you know, they pulled up the, you know, apartment when it had its listing. I think on Zillow or Redfin and said that matches some of the pictures that came out. Obviously one very disgusting and sexually charged picture that came out from the bathroom that's featured in the video as well as some of the video games. There's different things in the sketches that match up with what we know about his online history. What did you make of the corroboration of it? Because to me, it just. It rings very true.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, I think it's. It's always difficult when you don't have 100% of the evidence in front of you. Right. I always say in politics and on my show, no matter how much I like someone or trust someone, it doesn't matter. It's not personal, it's professional. I don't want to take anybody's word for it. I want you to show me your work and show me the evidence. And so there's always a part of me when there's a report like this that. And I often do this, by the way. I'm fortunate enough now that I've been in this business for such a long time. I oftentimes, if this is a report by someone that I know, I call them and I say, hey, can you tell me exactly how you verified this? And they show me the behind the scenes, how they put this together, even the parts that they haven't reported on. And I actually do get to see the evidence so I can have confidence talking about whatever they reported publicly. But as you mentioned, there are silos on the Internet. The Turkey Tom is not a political commentator. He's not in conservative politics. He's sort of in this niche, chronically online YouTube bro world that I'm definitely not in as an individual. And there wasn't a lot of crossover until a couple of weeks ago. I think when we reported on it, that it sort of began that crossover into politics. So, all that being said, I think that the photographs that were provided did a lot for me because that would be pretty easily disproven if those were faked in some way. But if you have a photograph inside an apartment that matches the layout of the apartment that Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs resided in. If you also provided a series of. Of text messages and communications to verify your relationship with that person so you can have. So that those listening to your account can have confidence that you're not just some random person making up a story, that's a pretty good start for substantiating evidence. I, of course, wish that this person would go public, would reveal his name and actually just say like, yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell you and show you this stuff. But I also understand in this volatile political environment that, I mean, he might be afraid, he might not want to be in the public eye. I don't know him. I don't know why, but I would say for not having the evidence in front of my own eyes, this is a pretty good effort to make people feel confident that, that there's something to this, that this is, that this is authentic.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and I certainly reminds me, said that whether or not that this person has come public, I really, really, really stress that I hope this person has been interviewed by the Utah prosecutors and the FBI.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, yeah. I wonder. I don't, I don't have any insider information on that. I know some of the people that the FBI has been talking to that they've, that they've interviewed. I don't know if they have interviewed this individual, although I do know that they have been sent this, this particular report from Substack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. And that was. So, by the way, just the work ethic behind this to put together the video that he did. And by the way, it's. It's Turkey Tom, if anyone wants to check it out. I know it's Thanksgiving time, so it's appropriately named. So it's Turkey Tom on YouTube. Full credit to him for putting this together. And he's got a substack up as well for anyone who wants to see the full data. So you can go through that. You don't. Even if you like watching videos, you can watch it. It's. It's long, it's about 40 minutes, but you can also go and read the sub stack. And it's just really incredible piece of journalism that I think he put together to say, look, I've got this wild story. It seems real to me. I'm going to put the appropriate caveats in front of it. I'm going to put out the information and I'm going to leave it out there for you. And ultimately that's what you do when you get a source that comes forward like that.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, I think that's right. I think Turkey Tom and I don't know Turkey Tom. I'd actually never heard of Turkey Tom until I saw this report and then I listened to him to see, you know, what is his track record? Is he, Is he a person who tells the truth? Is he a person that tells lies? I don't, like I said, I don't know him personally. I have not even interviewed him professionally, although that might be an interesting interview to hear. To hear a little more firsthand account of how this. This particular report was put together. But what I appreciate. And we live in this post gatekeeping world, Jack. Right. We live in this world where we don't want to. And this is. I'm talking. I'm not talking as a political commentator myself. I'm talking about as a consumer, as a citizen of the United States. We don't want to just rely on somebody else. We don't want to say, oh, that's our trusted news anchor. That's our trusted podcaster. We want to be shown the evidence. We want to watch the sausage being made. We don't want to just believe it because it's a salacious headline or because it might in some way verify the view that we want to hold. We want to see the evidence here. Evidence is very important, at least to the audience on my show. That's one of the things that I connect the most with, with my audience, is we just want the proof. We just want to see it right in front of our eyes. Because once we see something, we're not stupid. We know what we're seeing. We don't need gatekeepers being told or telling us what to do. But circling back to my original point, Turkey Tom did what I think is really smart and I appreciate. And that is he addressed that at the very beginning. He said, I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper. I'm not trying to say, just take my word for it, this is an insider account. I'm telling you how I attempted to verify this and what was said to me. So I appreciate that.

[Jack Posobiec]

And there are even times where, as a good journalist would do, you have to redact certain things that provide those details because you don't want to out your source and taking those steps to protect someone's identity. Protect source's identity, which is something that you do have to do when you're in the game, is just another step that I think shows that this was done in good faith. And we got a couple more minutes until the break, but reading through some of it, it just seems to me like an incredibly toxic relationship where it seems that clearly, clearly Twigs has serious mental issues, but then also that Tyler, of his own decision, decided to get involved with this person and go on this, you know, start playing this game along with him.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, that's actually probably the biggest question that I think is left unanswered by this report, is what that moment was for Tyler, that motivating moment, if he was raised as a Typical Utah blue collar guy, as this friend says he was. And we know that Tyler Robinson's parents were Republicans. What was it that caused him to even move in with Lance Twigs? What was it that caused him to be susceptible to Lance Twigs his sexual advances? What was it that caused him to change his political views? If he shared political views with his parents, which I suppose we don't know for a fact, but it's likely that at some point he did. That's typically how it works. When your parents hold political views, you hold the same ones for a while. If they changed and they seemed to change, what changed them. And the picture painted by this, by this report from the friend, this, this insider who spent a lot of time at Lance Twigs and Tyler Robbins apartment. I mean it, it seems like a really sordid, demented, perverted tale of sexual fetishes and drugs. It seems like yes, there is obvious mental illness at play with Lance Twigs, the depth of which is illustrated in some of these demented drawings and his really weird behaviors. And I don't know what the state of Tyler Robinson's mental health was, but once you become involved in demented, perverted sexual activity, once you become dependent on drugs, especially if you have not done drugs before, especially if you haven't engaged in this type of sexual behavior, that's going to cause a mental spiral regardless of the baseline state of your mental health.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I think that's exactly right. And it has to be, it has to be said over and over and iterated over and over that Tyler Robinson decided to do this. This was a decision, this was a plan. This was part of a some kind of sick game. So, Jack Posobic. We're on with Liz Wheeler talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs. Right back. Human events daily.

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All right, Jack Pasopic, we're back here live Human Events daily talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs. We're on with Liz Wheeler. Liz, let's start digging into some of these logs, these texts that came out from the leaker and then and how we have the discords and the photos that sort of corroborate it.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, and one thing I want to add that we were talking about in the prior segment when we were talking about whether this leaker is authentic and how to know whether a leaker like this is authentic or not. One of the things that Turkey Tom wrote, and I just Pulled this up over the break. One of the things that Turkey Tom wrote at the beginning of his substack report was a list of things that this leaker provided him to substantiate the story. And the number one thing that he listed is photos verifying their connection. And we don't know all of the photos verifying their connection, but I have to imagine it includes things like photos of that of, of the leaker with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs, maybe of text message conversations or phone numbers. Something that I would encourage Turkey Tom to let us know about, if you possibly can, without. Without revealing the identity of this person. But as for the content of what goes on here, I think, Jack, it's really important to start with their apartment, to start with a state of their apartment. This friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs describes, and he provides photos of this too, provides a description of what he says is Lance Twigs's nest. So it starts with a table full of wires all twisted together in this jumbled heap. No discernible order. Wires and junk and trinkets from online stores, notes and artwork written in pen in this really vigorous, aggressive way. And this friend says this is what Lance Twigs described as his nest. And during periods of the time when Lance Twigs would be more stable, the nest would be smaller, be a little more organized. But as Lance Twigs would enter into a spiral, this nest would expand from just covering the table to covering the counter, to covering the couch, the entire living room. And if anybody visiting the apartment, and it actually sounded like they had guests quite frequently at the apartment, if anybody touched any of these things, Lance Twigs would go nuts. He would go insane. He would start screaming his head off at people not to touch even a single piece of his trash. He also conducted what this, this friend describes as mold experiments in glass jars and old pieces of trash. He would grow mold around the apartment and in the sink. And during periods of stability, then the number of mold experiments would shrink to just one or two. And during periods of spiral, these mold experiments would be overtake the apartment. I mean, this, this isn't of itself is like, you know, it's like hoarder on steroids. This in and of itself is a mental problem. Then you add into it their propensity, and I say they, because it's both Tyler and Lance, it appears their propensity for sexual fetishes, this furry sexual fetish that they both seemed to be participants of. A furry sexual fetish. For those uninitiated, and you're lucky if you're uninitiated It's a fetish where grown men dress up like animals in order to have perverted sex with each other. And there's typically an element of. I don't know if this is a good way to describe it, Jack, but I've been calling it intellectual pedophilia because there's roleplay of like one adult animal having sex with a cub or someone that's supposed to be role playing a young animal, which is just the most demented, evil, satanic thing you can think of. And this insider talks about the sexual relationship and even how it began, Jack, which is extremely troubling.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually, Liz, I. Because I've been, you know, sort of paralleling your journey into this subculture. I recently learned that the slang term that is used in the furry community for what you're describing is called puppy play or pup play. And so one of them will take on the guise of a child or a pup or kit or sometimes kitten and act like a child. And we already know, by the way, because it's been linked in reporting that Tyler Robinson was looking at furry porn, which included what they call cub porn, which is so. So children, basically. Anthropomorphic children. Furry children being involved in sexual activity with adults.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's so demented. It's hard. It's hard to even wrap your mind around. I feel disgusting talking about it. I am sorry to scandalize people listening to it, but the. The reason that it's relevant to this story is because this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs describes how he. He believes the sexual relationship between Lance and Tyler began. He said Lance Twigs was known to drink alcohol in excess amounts. And when he would drink alcohol in excess amounts, he became very cuddly. This friend said he encountered Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson cuddling on the couch multiple times after Lance Twigs had imbibed over. Imbibed. And he speculated. He's like. At first I thought nothing of it. He's like. But then as it became clear that Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson were engaging in sexual activity together, he said, I speculated that maybe one of those times that they were cuddling on the couch when Lance Twigs had been drinking, somebody crossed a line. Maybe Lance Twigs had sexually groomed Tyler Robinson into a relationship with him. Again, the reason that even their sexual relationship is relevant is because of basic morality. When you engage in immoral acts, it twists your moral compass into allowing yourself to be convinced that wrong is right and right is wrong. Which clearly applies then to the decision Tyler Robinson made when he. He's accused, of course, of assassinating Charlie Kirk. The other part of this, Jack, the other part of the sexual relationship that's relevant is during these times of Lance Twigs spirals, as described by this friend, where he would go two or three days without sleeping, he talked to chat GPT in on it. Like you can't even, it's, it's not, you can't read it. It's not real words. He's talking in gibberish to chat GPT. He's talking to people in gibberish. It appeared that Tyler Robinson was still engaging in sexual activity with Lance Twigs. So there's, that's not healthy, that's not normal. You have to wonder then what this, what this dynamic between these two human beings, what was driving it, especially when Lance Twigs also would, even when they had people over in their apartment, take Tyler Robinson into the other room and loudly engage in sexual activity with him, sometimes during times when he was barely able to communicate with the guests in his apartment.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's right. And I read those messages as well. And I read with this friend and you know, sometime roommate was, was reacting to and was describing and it's just distributed. It's so depraved and it's so gross and at the same time it's real. It's all real. And when you read through it and you say what type of twisted person could possibly get up on a roof and shoot Charlie Kirk? And then you read this and you say, well, you know, it sounds like this type of twisted, demented person would commit such an act of evil right back. Jack Posobic Liz Wheeler Human Events Daily.

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[Jack Posobiec]

There'S some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transitioning. Did that correlate with what you saw? Yeah, definitely.

[Liz Wheeler]

He was going to have evaporation to be turned into a woman.

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The roommate. Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who is was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting and he did provide those messages to police. On September 10, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing. Look under my keyboard. The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kurt and I'm going to take it.

[Travis Holloway]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Jack Pasovic. We're back live here, Human Events Daily. We're on with Liz Wheeler. We're talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs and this toxic relationship. And Liz. We were just chatting during the break, but it wasn't just alcohol. It wasn't just the leftism which has come out in so much of these leaks. The, the hatred of Charlie Kirk, the. And all conservatives really, but also the, you know, the rampant use of. We talked about alcohol, but also drugs and something called black market hrt.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah. And this might be one. Another one of the underreported aspects that's truly critical to this story. This insider, this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs describes. Lance Twigs is not just drinking too much alcohol, but as a frequent user. I think he said he vaped thc, that he used shrooms, he used lsd, he used Molly. He describes him as a heavy drug user. In addition to the fact that Lance Twigs, obviously born a biological male, was at some point in the transition, quote unquote, to a female, meaning that he was identifying, it seems maybe when he wanted and when he didn't want as a female. But that that identity or that transition included using hormone replacement therapy that wasn't prescribed to him by a doctor that he had gotten just from a local drug dealer. I suppose that's how you get drugs on the black market. Meaning we don't know the dosage, we don't know if it was contaminated. We don't really know what was in it. We don't know how this was affecting his mental state. We, I mean, for all we know, this could have been something that was more toxic than just hormone replacement therapy is in and of itself. Let's just say that. And the way this friend describes Lance Twigs his life, it seemed like this drug use was not just frequent. It was most frequent during the periods of mental instability in Lance Twigs periods of time when he was going days and days without sleeping, when he was obsessively talking in gibberish to chat GPT when he was having tantrums in his own room, when he was screaming at people for touching his trash piles in his nest. I mean, it's all connected, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, it is all connected. And what's interesting too is that when you look at, and I'm just going to say it, there was one another piece there where the friend, the leaker mentions that he believes that Tyler Robinson was, shall we say, sexually inexperienced, that he was a virgin when he moved in with Lance Twiggs. And I realized while looking at some of this stuff and reading through that it actually sounds like this was incel behavior from Tyler Robinson's case, that that's okay. He's an incel. Right. So we certainly have heard so much of that. And so Many times where these downwardly mobile white males have, you know, kind of been in this incel community. But here's one yet again who is responding in rape in an enraged fashion, incel rage, which is certainly something that's been studied, but in a way, it's almost like. And I, and this is just my opinion. I'm not, I'm not saying this is in the evidence, but it's almost like he was searching for a way to lose that virginity. He was searching in a way to be meaningful in engaging in these extreme behaviors. The drugs, the perverted sexual activity, the furry behavior, the furry porn, the. The cub porn. All of this is a sort of way to dive in after having been, you know, considered himself an incel prior to this. And, you know, then just kind of overdoses on these Internet subcultures completely snaps. And in a way, you know, people are saying, well, did he do this as an act of romance or an act of love with. With Twigs? And I think. I think he was doing it looking for some kind of validation. Right? And it's just my opinion, but almost looking for, you know, like, like an act of, of praise. Like he wanted praise for this. He wanted to impress Twigs. Look what I did for you. Look what I've done for you. And, and you know, of course, you know, twigs even responding, saying that I didn't know you wanted to do something like that. But when you really get into these motivations, and all of this is certainly going to come out at trial, so we're getting, you know, an early look at it, but it's. It's going to be something that comes up, the motivation of what could drive someone to do something so horrible. And I, I think this does. It doesn't answer all the questions. It, in fact gives me many more questions. But it, it gets you part of the way there.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, I think. I mean, there's so much speculation that could, that we could engage in when it comes to this. And I, in a sense, want to avoid the speculation and just follow the facts. I think you're correct that it raises a lot of questions. And if I were the FBI, I would pursue some of the questions that you mentioned. Another aspect of the. Of. Of the word that you mentioned, this, this incel culture would be the lockdowns. Were these individuals subject to social isolation? Were their school shut down? Were. Did they. Did. Were they reduced to being chronically online? Is that when their radicalization or their mental instability began? I'd certainly, if I were the FBI, I'd be interested in looking into that, because it is. I mean, if we're going to try to get an idea of the totality, the context of these individuals, their lives and their beliefs, what motivated Tyler Robinson to commit such a heinous, horrible, evil act. You do have to look at every aspect of what has formed and informed this person, whether it is their religion, their relationship with their family, their political views, their drug use, their alcohol use, their friendships, their online habits, their sexual habits. All of these things play into it and form the totality of evidence. And you have to wonder, or I wonder I should say, and if I were the FBI, I would be investigating this. When this type of chronically online behavior, this foray or experimentation with these extreme things, drugs and sexual furry pornography, specifically the transgender ideology, when that began and where it came from.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I think that's right. And it's actually not, not that I, I cite these guys very often, but there was a piece in the New Yorker a couple weeks ago and it was called How Monsters Went from Menacing to Misunderstood. And they just, in the subhead they wrote, for most of human history, monsters were repugnant aberrations, breaches of the natural and moral order. What's behind our relentless urge to humanize them? And so I think that's something that, you know, we really as a society have, you know, you call it Disney movies, Pixar, etc. You know, we're always sort of looking for the whole movie series. Wicked is about trying to humanize and the wicked Witch and saying, oh, you know, she was just misunderstood and, and actually Dorothy was the bad one and, and see, you, you totally don't get it. And Maleficent was a whole series like this too, also pushed by Disney. And so there's, there's all these qu. These, these things pushed throughout our culture where we, we take the monstrous and we say, no, no, it's just misunderstood. But we can't do that from a legal perspective and from a societal justice perspective, can we?

[Liz Wheeler]

No. And I don't, I don't think that that's what this is. I think understanding the totality of what formed the ideology that motivated Tyler Robinson, who is alleged by authorities who have assassinated Charlie Kirk. I think the reason to investigate the background in the context of him and his motivations and his ideological formation is because this is an increasingly common ideology among young men in our country. Whether it's these radical trans groups, whether it's an antifa. There is a lot of left wing violence that is happening right now in our country. And it is important in. To order. Order to protect our families and our communities and our, our nation, the fabric of our nation at large. It's important to understand why this is happening and how these people are being formed into the revolutionaries, these violent revolutionaries that they are. Because they aren't born like this, Jack. They're not born Marxists, they're not born murderers. That something happens between the moment they leave the womb and, you know, the moment that they pull the trigger and assassinate our friend Charlie Kirk, something happened to indoctrinate them into this evil ideology. And you and I are both Catholic. We know that we have, we have been given free will. We as humans have the choice to choose God or to choose Satan. And if Tyler Robinson is convicted of the crime that we think he committed, then we know that he chose evil and he should be held accountable for that, both in front of his creator and in a just society like ours. No one's trying to step away from that. But larger picture, if we are facing the ongoing threat of similar crimes being committed against those that we love, we need to understand the formation of these people so that we can make an effort as a society to stop it.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's really as simple as that. And when I served at Guantanamo Bay and came face to face with radical Islam and some of the most horrific radical Islamic killers that our country has ever seen, I still spent time trying to unpack their radical ideology and learning about. About what it was about, radical Islam that made them commit the acts that they did. It didn't mean that it absolved them from the acts or something like that. No, not at all. It was about understanding an ideology and an enemy that was facing my country, my family that needed to be stopped. We'll be right back. Jack Posobic Liz Wheeler.

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Am filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty. I do not take this decision lightly and it is a decision I have made independently as county attorney based solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of the crime.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, Jack Krasovic back live here Human Events Daily. We're on with Liz Wheeler. And the more and more that I read about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs, it reminds me so much of the story. You know the case was called the crime of the Century. Leopold and Loeb. Leopold And Loeb were two American murderers in 1924 in Chicago. And there are several movies about this. One of which has Jimmy Stewart Hitchcock movie. It's a great one and they the two of them were highly intelligent, they were highly successful scholastically and yet they decided to prove their intellect and to prove how better they were than others, that they would kidnap and murder a 14 year old named Bobby Franks, who they knew. And they were two people who were caught and had done this because simply they decided to, to show their prowess. Now they were given life in prison. They were not executed. I believe they should have been executed because again, in this case, they made this decision. They made this horrific decision to do this. And we know that Charlie Kirk was a believer in the death penalty. That Charlie Kirk was someone who read the Bible and said, this shows me that God has ordered the death penalty for these, those heinous crimes. And funny enough, or funnily enough, I suppose I should say that their defense attorney was none other than Clarence Darrow himself. Yes, the very same Clarence Darrow from the Scopes Monkey trial. A famous atheist in his own right and chipped away at American justice and American capital punishment. And so we, we see a lot of similarities. We see because there, there was a lot of sexual activity and what they claimed was abuse, and they were in a homosexual affair with themselves. That's why it reminds me, reminded me so much of this. And you know, Liz, when we look at the totality of all of this, you know, Leopold and loeb, that was 100 years ago. Exactly 100 years ago. 101. And here we are 100 years later. And the only difference, I suppose you could say, is it wasn't just homosexuality, it was transsexuality in this case.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah. I mean, the, the connective tissue there is godlessness. Right. Both of which are. Both of which require it in order to be a practitioner. Listen, Jack, I think one of the things too, about the transgender ideology, we have talked, or we had begun to talk as, as a nation, not just in the conservative movement, about this thread of violence that is included in the transgender ideology. And I think it's worth noting how it applies to this case too. I wrote a book two years ago about the assault on America's kids. And I noted that at the time, critical race theory was the thing that was the topic that was, you know, young white children in school were being told that they were irredeemably racist because of the color of their skin. There was nothing they could do about it because of crimes or wrongdoings that were committed by generations ago by people who happened to share the same skin color. Young black children were being told that they're oppressed based on the color of their skin. There was nothing they could do about it. And this creates in children, such an incredible self loathing. Imagine being told that you're evil and they're not because of anything you've done or thought or said or how you've treated other people, but just based on what you look like, based on who you are. Conversely, imagine what it's like to be told that you're oppressed and that you're never going to succeed based on just what you look like. This creates an identity crisis, and intentionally so in young children. And I call it the one two punch. So children are being indoctrinated in critical race theory, and especially this applies to young white children. For the purpose of this illustration, they have their identity torn down, they feel self loathing, and that's the first punch. And in comes this second ideology, this transgender ideology that says, listen, you might have been labeled as the oppressor because of the color of your skin, and there's nothing you can do to redeem yourself from that. But I'm offering you this antidote. I'm offering you the opportunity. If you put on the mantle of the transgender ideology, if you reject who you are, reject your parents, reject your person, reject your God, reject your body, then you can be one of us, you can be one of the victims, you can be one of the oppressed, and you're no longer the bad guy. We will give you back your self worth and your identity if you take on an artificial identity. And it served as this one two punch to transform young people from just normal kids going to school, operating in society to these radical revolutionaries. And both Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs are of the age that they would have been victims of this one two punch, not just in public schools, but in society at large. That young white men are told that they're disgusting because they're white, they're told that they're evil, and the only thing they can do is reject their biology, their God given biology, and become something else. And what happens when they do this? The only requirement in order to go from being an oppressor to being oppressed is that you reject all objective reality, that you pay fealty instead to the Marxist ideology. And you have to sometimes be willing to give your very life to overthrow the oppressors who now want to genocide you as the oppressed. And what happens is these young people are not just mentally, ideologically brainwashed, they are now willing to physically carry out this ideology. It turns them into essentially kamikazes, these, these, these suicide actors, in a sense, for the Marxist dialectic that underpins the transgender ideology. And of Course that element exists. I know Tyler Robinson wasn't the one who was transitioning. He wasn't on the hormone replacement therapy, but he was engaging in sexual activity with someone who was. So, at the very least, intellectually, he was captured by this ideology too. Most likely.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, there's no question. I was just pulling up some other stuff on Leopold and Loeb. By the way, for folks who might not know, the Alfred Hitchcock movie is Rope. By the way, Jimmy Stewart, it's just a fantastic. It's a classic. I think most of the film, or possibly all the film, was done in one shot. Richard Loeb was. Was seen as the dominant one, charismatic, confident, obsessed with crime as an intellectual gang. Leopold, who was the one who obsessed and idolized over Loeb. He was highly intelligent, IQ over 200 by some estimates, but became emotionally dependent on Loeb, deeply infatuated with Loeb, willing to go along with anything that Loeb wanted. And in their relationship, Leopold often deferred to Loeb's wishes, both sexually and in their criminal activities. Liz, I gotta say, I'm probably going to be going down the rabbit hole on this for the rest of the evening because the similarities are just so stark. And they're both 18 and they were. And they were 18 and 19 at the time of the crime.

[Liz Wheeler]

Were they?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yep.

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, that's pretty wild. I mean, that's pretty wild. I suspect, Jack, that if we, the public, were given access to, you know, the accounts of Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson and said, like, listen, here's their online footprint, here's their computer, here's their phone. Like, go nuts. Find out what they looked up, what they read, what they wrote, what they watched, what they did. I suspect you would find trails that would lead you back to stuff like that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right. And of course, you know, and by the way, like, I. I want to be very, very clear about this, that I'm just talking about, you know, this previous case we're theorizing where we're looking at some of these leaks and asking questions, I don't know, or have any evidence in any way to say that Lance Twiggs was involved in this. The evidence doesn't seem to show that. The evidence seems to show that in this case, it was not something that they planned together. It seems like it was something that Tyler Robinson, again, based on the evidence that Tyler Robinson did on his own as a form of pleasing to Twigs, as a form of wanting to receive praise, as a. Which would also fit in with being emotionally dependent. So he's wanting that praise and but again, being highly intelligent. Right. They mentioned that, that Tyler Robinson was in an electronics program. Excuse me, an engineering program, that he was someone who was highly intelligent as well as Twigs himself had been a former gifted student. But they had both sort of dropped out of their respective programs. So you see a lot of the similarities. Only about a minute left. Liz Wheeler, thank you so much for doing the yeoman's work on this, doing the heavy lifting. Where can people go to get everything that you're going to be putting out on this?

[Liz Wheeler]

Yeah, thanks for having me, Jack. You can go to YouTube.com Liz Wheeler. You can follow me on [e-mail] Liz underscore Wheeler. And we have video on Spotify now. So if you go to the Spotify app and search the Liz Wheeler show, we are on there too. And it's censorship free. So it's a great app. If you're not able to catch us live.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, that's. That's absolutely incredible. And I know that a lot of people are going to be listening to this live, and I really do hope that this and, and that you, you know, share it with others, that you get it out there, because we know there's been a lot of questions about this. We have a lot of questions as well for those of us who knew him. And as we start to get answers, we can start to unpack the twisted and demented truth about what happened to our friend Charlie Kirk. And his family deserves that. His kids deserve that. So that's what we're going to do. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.

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