Human Events with Jack Posobiec - November 28, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Jack Posobiec
Guest: Dr. Chloe Carmichael, Clinical Psychologist
Main Topic: The Psychology Behind the Killing of Charlie Kirk – Dissecting the Case of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twigs

Episode Overview

This deeply analytical episode investigates the shocking murder of conservative speaker Charlie Kirk, focusing on the psychological and sociological factors influencing the accused, Tyler Robinson, and his roommate, Lance Twigs. Host Jack Posobiec, joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Chloe Carmichael, explores leaked details about Robinson and Twigs’ relationship, their radicalization, and the broader cultural and generational currents behind the tragedy. Together, they discuss dissociation, the influence of internet culture, the pursuit of identity, and the challenges facing young men in modern America.

Key Highlights and Segment Breakdown

1. Recounting the Crime: Events of September 10, 2025

• Summary of Events

  • Tyler Robinson, 22, skipped his apprenticeship, changed clothes, traveled to Utah Valley University, and hours later, shot Charlie Kirk during a campus debate event.
  • Robinson’s father identified him on news broadcasts and confronted him; Tyler confessed and was soon arrested.
  • The identity of Robinson’s roommate/possible partner, Lance Twigs, emerged via social media leaks.

• Significant Quote:
  “...this is the desk where Charlie launched his show. This microphone was Charlie's microphone. ...And now he's not here. He's not going to be coming back. ...It’s an unspeakable evil.” — Jack Posobiec [07:23]

2. The Psychological Profile: Robinson and Twigs’ Relationship

[16:40 - 21:55]

• Armchair Diagnosis

  • Dr. Carmichael discusses the possible folie à deux (shared delusion) between Robinson and Twigs.
  • Suggests both were exploring identities: Twigs transitioning, Robinson possibly colluding in the delusion.
  • Shooting occurred right after Kirk was asked about trans issues, implying a psychological link between their identities and the act.

• Notable Exchange:

  • Dr. Carmichael: “...when you have two people that are participating in the same delusion together....what exactly they believe themselves to be and what ‘trans’ meant to them might be important.” [17:23]
  • Posobiec: “...he was almost trying to impress Twigs by doing this?...a way to gain status, gain standing in his eyes...” [19:08]
  • Dr. Carmichael: “...at this particular developmental age...they can really be craving and seeking social approval and social acceptance. ...Becoming the white knight, but in a little bit of a twisted sense.” [20:38]

3. Dissociation, Online Radicalization & COVID’s Impact

[23:00 - 38:25]

• Isolation and the Digital World

  • Both Robinson and Twigs spent formative years in online spaces during COVID lockdowns; possible excessive exposure to pornography and online subcultures (Reddit, Discord, “furry” communities).
  • Dr. Carmichael highlights the trend of young men seeking taboo communities and new identities as a result of withdrawal from traditional institutions (church, community, family).

• Notable Quotes:

  • Dr. Carmichael: “They couldn't step out into the world. The world was shut down. And so they stepped...online...their expression of their sexuality was in some way tainted by that.” [23:00]
  • “It's...a perfect terrible storm where their sense of identity can even become co-opted into this trans and...furriness and then it gets rolled up with this leftist hatred of straight white men and the church.” [24:33]

• Reinforcement of Alienation:

  • Both were former Mormons; rejecting heritage led them to seek the “furthest thing away” (trans, “antifa furries,” substance use).
  • Trend among disaffected Gen Z males: isolation, drug use, excessive online activity, breakdown of traditional masculine roles.

4. Patterns Among Young Perpetrators & the Role of Family

[32:16 - 41:06]

• Common Characteristics

  • Young, white, isolated men aged 20-27; all endured COVID lockdown during critical development.
  • Frequent drug use (marijuana, possibly ADHD meds), high online engagement, and poor parental oversight or even financial enablement.

• Societal Disconnect:

  • Dr. Carmichael: “They're...dissociating into an online life. ...Excess of porn use...dissociation is a good word to describe what all that adds up to.” [33:04]

5. Vilification, The “White Knight” Complex, and the Trans Phenomenon

[43:52 - 53:24]

• Why Don't Young Men Feel Useful?

  • Dr. Carmichael: “Everything...to feel useful...has been branded as toxic masculinity...They’ve been programmed to think...to be strong...is to tear down society and to separate from...their masculinity.” [45:52]
  • Trans and “furry” subcultures offered an escape from the social stigma of being a “straight white male.”

• Speech as Violence:

  • The worldview that disagreement or certain language is “threatening my existence” — a concept fostered in trans discourse.
  • Dr. Carmichael: “...They've hinged their existence on something that is untrue. ...Charlie Kirk...was shot at that moment...in part maybe because of his relationship with Lance Twigs about being trans.” [48:54]

6. Legal Ramifications: The Insanity Defense and Responsibility

[58:06 - 65:37]

• Will Psychology Sway the Jury?

  • State of Utah is seeking the death penalty for Robinson.
  • Dr. Carmichael asserts that Robinson’s awareness, planning, and actions show “complete awareness of right and wrong” — undermining the basis for a successful insanity defense.

• Key Quote:

  • Dr. Carmichael: “...He didn't show up...believing that society would celebrate him. ...He was actually very intelligent. ...What he did have...is an extreme sense of grandiosity...” [59:24]

• Jack’s Summary:

  • “...he created this plan, he was hiding the gun under his clothing...no act of passion…He understood what he was doing and he made a direct decision...” [61:06]

• On Accountability:

  • “My hope and prayer is that he has to take full accountability for what he did...I think our society is organized better when people have a sense of accountability.” – Dr. Carmichael [64:27]
  • “It’s about showing society that the victim’s life had value.” – Jack Posobiec, referencing Charlie Kirk’s views [66:49]

7. Conclusion & Closing Reflections

[65:37 - 68:00]

• Host and guest reflect on societal correction, justice, and forgiveness.
• Dr. Carmichael shares information about her book and resources on free speech (freespeechtoday.com).

Notable Quotes & Moments by Timestamp

• “[Charlie’s] little girl who will never be picked up by her father again...That was all robbed by Tyler Robinson.” – Jack Posobiec [07:23]
• “If Tyler Robinson fancied himself as some kind of a hero here… craving and seeking social approval and social acceptance...becoming the white knight, but in a little bit of a twisted sense.” – Dr. Chloe Carmichael [20:38]
• “The online world is extremely rife with pornography...and it does appear their expression of sexuality was in some way tainted by that.” – Dr. Chloe Carmichael [23:00]
• "It's about showing society that the victim's life had value." – Jack Posobiec [66:49]
• "My hope and prayer is that he has to take full accountability for what he did." – Dr. Chloe Carmichael [64:27]

Timestamps for Major Segments

• Crime Recap, Robinson’s Confession: [03:31–07:50]
• The Roommate, Relationship Analysis: [14:24–21:55]
• Online Radicalization/COVID Impact: [23:00–25:13]
• Dissociation, Addiction Patterns: [33:04–38:25]
• Masculinity, Alienation, “White Knight”: [43:52–47:01]
• Free Speech, Insanity Defense Discussion: [48:54–65:37]
• Final Reflections and Guest Wrap-Up: [65:37–68:00]

Overall Tone and Style

Jack Posobiec maintains a somber, analytical tone, blending personal loss with investigative journalistic rigor. Dr. Carmichael offers professional insight, delivering balanced but firm assessments of the psychological underpinnings at play. The conversation is candid, occasionally emotional, yet continually seeks to understand rather than merely condemn.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a deep dive into the psychological and sociological factors leading to the murder of Charlie Kirk. Through expert analysis and insider context, Posobiec and Dr. Carmichael scrutinize the interplay between online culture, identity crises, the vilification of traditional masculinity, and the allure of radical subcultures. Listeners gain a nuanced understanding of both the personal and societal dimensions of this tragedy, and the challenges facing modern young men. The episode also explores the limits of insanity defenses and reaffirms the importance of justice, accountability, and societal values in the face of such unspeakable acts.

For more on Dr. Chloe Carmichael: Visit freespeechtoday.com for her book and resources on free speech.