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Jack Posobiec
This is an Iheart podcast.
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Jack Sobeck
This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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Jack Posobiec
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Sobeck.
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General Michael Flynn
Christ is King.
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Jack Sobeck
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard. Today we have a very special edition of Human Events Daily for you. We're here live in Washington D.C. we are here at General Flynn's new media Summit. Today is all about independent media. It's all about disrupting the narrative. It's about getting the truth out. And we're so glad that Real America's voice, Human Events Daily are able to be here and to be a part of this great, great summit because we're meeting with people from all across the spectrum and in fact all across the world in ways that the mainstream media just will not do. This is the force multiplier. This is how you can be a truth aggregator, how you can actually get the facts, spread it out through using social media, using independent networks like Real America's Voice over the top and then going and telling that story.
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Eva Flerdinger Brug
Thank you very much General Flynn. So I just came from a summit on the ending the persecution of Christians worldwide. I think that's emblematic of where we stand today is that it's a real indictment on us as journalists that most of the world has no idea that for the past 20 plus years, since the day of 9 11, there has been a systematic organized campaign to massacre Christians across the isolated rural villages of northern Nigeria. And, and when it finally comes to.
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Jack Posobiec
Light, what does Al Jazeera do?
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Eva Flerdinger Brug
And all these other journalists they put out always denying that it's true. And you just like, I'm just like. So the last five sick years I spent documenting one masses or after another. I mean, I was walking into dinner on a Friday night, I got a picture of a 17 year old, 16, 17 year old girl who was pregnant having her head hacked off while they had the body out of the baby out of her stomach. And you're going to sit there and tell me that this is something made up by the right wing? I. Look, I just, I cannot come to you strongly enough and say that we are in an absolute crisis of information. General Funds articulated this with the amazing and wonderful and much missed Spoon Cutler in his book Set Generation Warfare that is the battle for our mind. But we are in the battle for our minds and our souls. And when you deny that people are being murdered, you lose your soul. And you know, I just, I see Angela standing King. She's going to be on the panel later today. But Angela is one of the people that brought me to a basic truth because she saves babies in abortion and she talks about saving children from murder. And I never thought about abortion like that. And so what is so important about that is we as journeys have been derelict in our duty to the truth and into pursuing the truth regardless of Pewson haf. We've become instruments of propaganda and God bless independent media and the rise of independent media. But there's a price for everything. There's a price for everything. So when we dance on the graves of CNN and the New York Times, it shows how they deserve it. Do we ask what fills the void? Because what is filling the void now? You know what you don't have? When you lose your advertising revenue from Big Pharma and you lose the corporations, you lose firsthand journalism. I spent five years in Iraq as the chief foreign first partner for CBS News. That cost how many millions, millions of dollars? How many over the years where independent media or out there can afford that now? It's no use. If you're going to put people on the ground, they're not going to tell the truth. So your bureaus mean nothing. I'm not standing in defense of mainstream media. I'm standing in defense of the principles of real journalism and the reality that it takes money, it costs money to do real journalism, it costs money to travel, it costs money to invest in time and in people. And that investment is not happening. And you know, unless you're the one in a million, I don't know. Jamie's does pretty well at it. He's relentless. He does 19,000 different jobs at the same time and somehow manages to run his own organization, fight off homeless lawsuits that you can email. The Montes had shoes, quite frankly. And I still manage his. He's of independent journalists. And yet he's still got to battle the right to even be called a journalist because the New York the beret lady deems him to be a far right activist. Please, please. You people belong in the trash gin of history, right? But they, they don't. And I received this amazing woman, Ava here, who I looked at. No, I see her as a vision of what I would like to remember myself has been 20 years ago, when.
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Jack Posobiec
That was when I was younger and.
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Eva Flerdinger Brug
Thinner and you know, and, and perfect because every time she comes out she just nails and she's brave and she. But what has Ava done? She has consistently over time built up a bank of knowledge. There was a tongue in journalists. Had to be. We had to be historians and we had to be economists. I study economics. I carried out English as an extra major. I did a Bachelor of Commerce theory. Not because I wanted to know anything about Karl Marx. God guides me. He's like now in Congo. The, you know, because I have a, I have a shield of protection around and I had to force myself to go there because I had to understand how money worked. Because it was obvious that money and power drive these things that you're seeing when you're standing at the door of a MULCHER and you're 17 years old and you're making friends with the guy running it because you want to know how many bodies there are inside. Because the South African government at the time, when I was a young girl doing this reporting, lied about all of that. So I learned the value of firsthand reporting. And that does not mean God bless them. I'm sorry. Showing up in Aurora, Colorado with a small camera going around asking people if they're a member of the cartel. I mean that journalist, I'm sorry, put him up against the wall and shoot him in the head and then teach him I'm Guerrero journalism. Because every person in that building will be killed if he tell you that they're a member of the cartel or that there's cartel there. So that's not what I mean by first hand journalism.
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General Michael Flynn
Oatmeal.
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James O'Keefe
So long, you strange soggy.
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Jack Sobeck
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James O'Keefe
And our golden age has just begun.
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Jack Posobiec
This is Human Events with Jack Posoba.
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Jack Sobeck
Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means.
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General Michael Flynn
Welcome to the second American Revolution.
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Jack Sobeck
All right, folks, Jack Zobeck.
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General Michael Flynn
We're back here.
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General Michael Flynn
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Eva Flerdinger Brug
I mean, we have a dearth. We have forgotten how to mentor. We have forgotten how to. We don't have newsrooms anymore. If I had a nickel. So every time I was bouncing into my boss's office and told him about a story and he ripped me to shreds in four and a half seconds. You know, because reality intrudes. We have a saying in journalism that never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Whenever you hear, oh, that's a good story, I'm going to do that. You start to investigate and what do you find? It crumbles. And what did I learn? Never be afraid to walk away. Don't stick with it because of belief or ideology or anything else. Journalists are not lawyers. We don't go into court and cherry pick evidence to make a case. We're not advocates. We campaign on behalf of people. That's not our job. Our job is to do everything we can to find not just part of the truth, but the whole truth. Because something can be true. But if you distort it and you focus on it and you put that out above everything else, you can still be as deceptive and misleading as the people who lie blatantly. It's not hard, it's not easy to find the whole truth. These things take time. Peak reporting is valued because. You know why? Because when a person truly understands the subject, it's of value to all of us. I never understood. I'm living in Iraq. I know whether I knew Shiite militias, I know Iraqi terrorists, I know the government. I knew soldiers. I know people all across the. All across the country. And yet somehow every US Ambassador or state partner official or military official or, you know, White House official, he came to the country, they wanted to bring that anchor from New York who'd never spent four and a half seconds in the country. And they opened the rape, they opened the doors, the rape Politics. And you think, but why? And it's because they don't want to sit down with someone who knows enough to jam them. They don't. They superficial is the death of real journalism. And they use a superficial, it's good in a crisis, the rest of the time worthless. And when journalists don't have resources behind them, what they do is superficial. What ID hafn commenting on things online superficial. Unfortunately, you know, I don't want to do that, but we have created a monster. Independent media is both our salvation and also a monster. And if we don't guard it and protect it and fight for it, and if we don't recognize that there are real principles to real journalism and separate that from opinion, which is completely valid opinion journalism, there's always an opinion pages in newspapers. There's always room for analysis when you take someone. But when you. And I hear people who are not lawyers and I see judges and lawyers on TV talking about nobody's going to prison for treason and sedition. And by the way, there's a statute of limitations, I'm like, are you serious? I'm not even a lawyer and I know that's a lie. Allowing people to get away with this nonsense is. I mean, to me it's the equivalent of being a co conspirator in treason and sedition. And we have to hold people accountable for that. You can't take the murderer that's accused of serial being a serial killer and put him up there as if he's an expert when he's talking about his own crimes. Sure, he's an expert because he's guilty. John Brennan. Right. I mean, it's insane. And to allow CBS News to put a guy on there as the deputy head of the CIA and then he retires and then he goes up. You're doing the biggest cover up of one of the most damaging intelligence operations against this country and against this nation. And you're allowing him to go out there like he's some independent neutral analyst is just well informed, it's an outrage. But they get away with it because we allow them to get away with it.
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Libby Emmons
Fear no evil. So it's hard to know what that really means unless you've been through it. You can watch the movies, read the books, I know you've been been through it. We were all sitting together at the breakers and it was like everyone, all of us and raided by the feds. But I'm a journalist. That's crazy. It continues to be crazy. It's so crazy that if another country did it. Our State Department would be issuing sanctions against that country. It's actually hopefully. So there's, there's that part of it. So I've been asked to talk about what independent media is and what my views are on the current situation. I, I second again what you said about money. I don't know if the, this is a controversial statement to make. I don't know if the commercial imperative is compatible with truth telling. I don't know if the commercial imperative is compatible with investigative journalism. I mean, how many, you know, you at 60 Minutes, you, you watched your piece dozens of times where you aired it hundreds of times and now everything's live. I just started to do live myself. But there's something missing in live. You, you don't package it. There's no who, what, when or why. There's no, there's no concise, succinct presentation of the information. So as a result, our brains are everywhere. There's no discipline. And the discipline of verification is what separates propaganda from journalism. The discipline of verification is what separates journalism from propaganda. And there is no verification of anything. Why? Because the incentives aren't aligned. The incentives are to make money and to get clicks.
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General Michael Flynn
But.
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Libby Emmons
And you say a lot of crazy shit because that's what your audience wants to hear. But that's not the truth though.
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James O'Keefe
So.
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Libby Emmons
And I'm not going to give any examples, but you know, I'm talking about. It's your people are just saying crazy things because there's money in it. There's no money in what I did. And when you look at the world, which you, everyone does because we all run organizations, whether we're NGOs or corporations or LLCs or 51 even 5 1c3s, which are non for profit enterprises. You have a statement of that assets. You have assets and you have something called the flyability. And guess what? My liabilities are always going to exceed my assets. So that's a, that's a very difficult challenge. I will second another thing you said which is that you have to be. You look at some of my trailer. Kirk, who Jack was extremely close to, I didn't know as deeply, but I knew especially Echo aspired from Project Ericas. Charlie and I became very close. Charlie was there for me when that happened and lifted me up. And I mean you have, you have to be a, you know, if he wasn't an investigative reporter, but he was an organizational entrepreneur, you have to be a good speaker, you have to be a good fundraiser, you have to be a good chief executive. Officer, you have to be a good entrepreneur. You have to be not a hypocrite. You have to be a good Christian. You have to be a good father. You have to be a good husband. You have to inspire people. You have to give good public presentation. I mean, no one can do all these things, but that's what you have to do to be an independent journalist. If you lack any one of those things, you will fail, in my opinion. And can they find someone else to do what he does? I don't think so. I suppose they can have a contest for a couple young guys to go on campuses. The problem is you will not find the ethics. You will find the talent, but you won't find the integrity. And the hardest thing about what I do is to find people with the integrity. It is so. It's such a cliche, isn't it? Ethics.
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Jack Sobeck
What does any mean?
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Libby Emmons
It means that you have no price. You have no price. It's such a hard thing to find. And then to also find someone with the talent, forget about it. One in 100 million, not one in a hundred million. So I think it's a problem that we have all this opinion. I agree that you need opinion, but when there's only opinion, it's toxic. It's radioactive, people. So that's the bad news. Here's the good news, because I am an optimist for reasons I will tell you right now. I just did this story last week about slop, but I went undercover and I wore this ridiculous wig, which was from Amazon. And you might say, why would. How would they not recognize you? Okie. You guys. You guys. You literally said this walking in here. It's like, you don't understand these people. They're not held accountable for anything. And I was. I did that intentionally. I did that intentionally. Number one, I did it because they're so incompetent and corrupt. I wanted to demonstrate that. And number two, I wanted to show you that you can do it, too. What's your excuse? Because I get from every. Well, I'm so famous in Tennessee that I love from home, always reckon, well, I'm James o', Keefe, and I still go undercover with the FBI, the State Department, the people on the federal level, and they don't recognize me, so. So when you have an excuse, it better be good. Course when you actually go into the psychology of it, it's just an. It's. It's an excuse for their own inaction.
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Jack Posobiec
Thank you. Thank you, General Flynn, for the invitation. For those of you who don't know me. My name is Eva Flerdinger Brug. I do not expect you to repeat that very long Dutch last name. I'm absolutely honored to be here and I'm listening as I'm listening to both of you to layer into you. James, I once aware, am extremely aware of how different our situation in Europe is. As much as I love hearing you guys talk about how you should do better, how you know you should work.
- [21:27]
James O'Keefe
Together.
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James O'Keefe
You know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine.
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Eva Flerdinger Brug
Jack Soic.
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James O'Keefe
Where's Jack? Jack. He's got a great job.
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Jack Posobiec
You know, you should work together. There is too much opinion. It's great you have so much standards, so many standards for yourselves. But we in Europe, we have a lot of work to do to even get to that point still. I'm from the Netherlands, so I'm from a very small country in Europe. And I'm sorry if I get a bit technical here, but I'll just sketch out our media landscape for you for a second so you understand our situation. We don't have not even one media outlet that pretends to be right white. Not one. So there is no, there's no Fox News, right? We don't have institutional media. We don't have legacy media that even pretend to represent their rights from the center. It doesn't exist. So go figure what our legacy media landscape looks like and then think about how important Gevreus independent media voices in our countries really is. And that process is also going way too slow because we don't have a Lara. We don't have a James o'. Keeffe, we don't have a Jack de Soviet. If we did, the situation wouldn't be as gayer as the one that we are in today. And now I personally, I'm on X and I'm on Instagram and it's funny because listening to you guys, I realized that I have never called myself a journalist, haven't ever called myself a journalist, because I never have called a journalist by the people who call themselves journalists. Even though I think, I hope I have more objective reporting and I do more objective reporting than they ever will. I also think that at this point I might have more reach and influence than they combined do, especially online. Yet again, I call myself a political commentator because I do openly voice my opinions. Instead, you know, I actually do and I acknowledge that. I say, look, this is my analysis of the situation. And my analysis of the situation in Europe is, is that we are heading for utter and total destruction. Europe as we know it and Europe as we have known it for centuries on end is coming to a rapid end. We look at mass migration. That's one of the subjects that I focus most on in my recording because it is underreported. The statistics are skewed. The consequences of mass migration, impoverishments, culture of decay, they're lied about, they're hidden. Even though we can all tell with our own eyes. Those are the things that I try to bring to the forefront. And of course that requires opinion, that requires saying this is not good, even though you would think that it's obvious for everyone, but it's not. And the problem that we face in Europe, of course, is that we have many different cultural identities, we have many different languages, many different countries. That's something that we cherish, is something that we're proud of. But it makes working together and it makes pointing out the similar issues that we are dealing with difficult when it comes to these types of cases. The rakes, the assaults, the murders that you are hearing about in Europe as a result of mass immigration, they're happening on a daily basis, but they are not collected by the legacy media. They were not even rigging about. And so what I try to do is highlight as often as I can what is happening. And I truly feel like a broken record talking about these cases day in, day out. Rape of a 60 year old girl there, murder of a 17 year old boy there, even just bad assaults, right? They usually don't even get published. So I try to focus on that, I try to give these people names I try to let people look, this is a systemic issue. This is not incidental, and this is all by design, because we are still at that point. We are still at the point where I have to tell people that over and over again. And so this is for us, I think one of the biggest challenges when it comes to independent media is that we, of course, we unite, but we also have to fight back against the institutions that try to silence us. Because again, allow me to go back to my small country for a moment, the Netherlands. We don't have freedom of speech the way that you do. We don't have a First Amendment. I'm sure his health. Don't have a second Amendment. We have criminal codes that make it illegal to offend groups. So if I say something that is offensive to a group, which is weird, right, is how do you offend the group? How can a judge decide on behalf of a group that they are all collectively offended? Well, they do it. They do it on the basis, of course, of sex. They do it on the basis of race. They do it on the basis of sexual preference, religion. And people actually get convicted for those types of hate crimes, Right?
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Eva Flerdinger Brug
Hate speech.
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Jack Posobiec
And so, speaking about the cases that I just mentioned to you, the rapes, the assaults, the connection between mass immigration and crime, the sacrificing of our children on the altar of mass migration, that is and can be qualified as illegal hate speech. And you can get sent to jail for it. That's our situation. So to tie this all back to independent media, without X, which is the platform that I use most, we wouldn't even hear about half of these stories. Half this. Even an optimistic estimate, I would say. So that's where we are. The independent journalists of Europe are on X. That's the only place where we can voice our opinions somewhat safely. But even X is being targeted by the European Union with the Digital Services Act. I don't want to bore you with all of the details of that, but it's a censorship act, and it's a censorship act that is now official law in all European countries designed by unelected bureaucrats. We don't have sovereignty. We. Our democracy is an illusion. It does not function. A supranational organization decides for us what our laws are and what we are allowed and not allowed to say. So once again, want to instill in you the urgency of the situation in Europe and how much you look to you in America and how much we need your help to get this message out there, because we're fighting many monsters at the same time. And that's why I'm very thankful to be here. Thank you so much.
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General Michael Flynn
So a couple weeks ago I went on CNN for the first time and I, I never thought I'd be in a situation where CNN would be ever allowing me to sort of talk about me enough and all of us.
- [30:31]
Libby Emmons
But.
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- [31:36]
James O'Keefe
And Jack, Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.
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Libby Emmons
Great job, Jack.
- [31:48]
James O'Keefe
Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. Always talking about the fake news and.
- [31:53]
Libby Emmons
The bad, but we have guys and.
- [31:55]
James O'Keefe
These are the guys who be getting policies.
- [32:00]
General Michael Flynn
Never thought I'd have the opportunity to be on. And of course it was in the wake of Charlie's murder and the reporter, field journalist who came on, not one of the anchors, she was fine, totally fine by the way. And there was a question that they asked me. And you know when you go into one of these, these interviews with anyone, with any outlet, with any journalism platform, you have to think, well, who am I speaking to? Right? Because all of the audiences are bifurcated now and trifurcated and quadrucated because there's no one single monoculture, mono audience like Lara. When you were on CBS, you could. 60 Minutes used to set the tone for everyone. It was the nation's leader in terms of stories, in terms of news. But now it's all totally separated. Who you listen to determines your worldview, determines your views. And so you may hate your neighbors, even though they might look like you, they might sound like you. They, they, they may go to the same schools that you do. They Shop at the same places that you do, but you completely hate them because you listen to a different form of media and you take your worldview from them. He's not talking about any this or I'm talking about the other side. But so I know this is going out to CNN audiences, which is a different group of people that I usually speak to. But I, you know, I wasn't really thinking about at the time, but I'm sure that probably, probably not going to be invited back. And I had a question about this and this is because two days after shop tour and they asked me a question. We're, we're in the turning point, as I say, building. This is the first time I've been back to the building since Jarv was murdered. And my wife was, you know, sitting as she's right there, by the way, Tiny Tzay is here today in support and thank you for being here, John. And, and they said, are we in a civil war? Are we headed for a civil war? And there was a real question, and I think there was a question at the time of, you know, will this political violence beget more political violence? And will this historic cycle that we've seen, a downward cycle which is extremely dangerous, will it play out again? Is it playing out again right before our eyes? And I looked at her and I said, we are seeing asymmetric civil warfare breaking out across the country. And if you don't believe me, go ask my friend because he's in a box right now for speaking truth. Charlie Kirk wasn't murdered because he lied. Charlie Kirk was murdered because he told the truth. And he told the truth to people that never would have otherwise heard it. And because they couldn't beat him in.
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Jack Sobeck
Debate, because they couldn't beat him on.
- [34:49]
General Michael Flynn
The facts, because they couldn't beat him in terms of his reach, which was growing exponentially every single that they tried to silence her. But let me tell you something, they fail. They absolutely failed. Because of all the people in this room, because all the people who saw what happened, because of thousands upon thousands of students and young people, few generations of Gen Z and even Gen Alpha, if you can believe it or not, that saw what happened, are never going to forget the murder of Charlie Kirk. But going out there into the modern public square, right, the modern what, what could be more of the modern public swearing, going on to Apollo Campus and debating all of these issues in public. And I thought something that was really interesting that I, I've actually just occurred to me recently because so I, I also, in addition to working, referring for I work with Post Millennial Human Events. And our editor in G, Libby Emmons is also here with us and she does an incredible job every single day working in independent media to do the verification, to do the true, to make sure that everything that gets put out is true. And of course, the media is very upset with us because not only do we have White House passes now, but we are now part of the new Pentagon press corps because they, they didn't want to follow the rules. So we had now replaced the legacy media inside the Pentagon. And the New York Times asked me yesterday, he said, you know, how are you going to report? I said, well, I'm going to tell the truth. And I know that's may be radical for you guys here, but we're just going to tell the truth about what's actually going on in, in our government, in the military, in the national security base and everywhere, the same way we do every single day, the same way we always have. But one of the, one of the things that was kind of existential and interesting for us is that we're in this situation now where we're, we're doing our job every day, try to report the news, tell people what's going on, tell the truth. But in this case, our colleague, our friend, our, the leader of Turning Point is the, his death is a murder. It's the news and we're following the case, we're following all the updates. And there was this buried line that came out, I think it was last Friday in one of the filings. And we're not going to get too technical, but this will illustrate, I think, what we're all talking about here. The lawyers for Tyler Robinson, the suspect is just put up a client say they want to ban Hamra's from the courtroom in the Charlie Kirk murder fix. And I thought about this and they said, well, we have, we have to do it because of privacy. So we have to do it because of privacy. And, and know I have a obviously emotional reaction to this, but I thought about the issue, right, the right to privacy. This is a right.
- [37:42]
James O'Keefe
Right.
- [37:42]
General Michael Flynn
This is a right that we want in a free society. But then Libby Evans wrote song I want, I want her to put a spot back 100% because it was so beautiful what she wrote.
- [37:52]
James O'Keefe
She said.
- [37:55]
General Michael Flynn
Charlie Kirk didn't have a say in whether or not his murder would be public, only his assassin had a say in that. And therefore, Charlie Kirk's trial or trial of the murder of Charlie Kirk should also be done in public the same way that his murder was. So Human Events, just file a submission with that courtroom in Utah completely opposing this ban and saying that we are going to come down and oppose this. We're going to get lawyers involved if we have to, to make sure that everyone has a full open and accounting of the situation, every single piece of evidence. And we got Human events, the postponial I'm happy to announce Court TB just came in and is also supporting the effort now. And so this is growing. It's going to continue grow because the public has a right to know. The public has a right to know everything. And this. And I thought about this, I said, you know what? This is the difference between a free society and a closed society. And Ava, that the society that you're talking about, you say, that doesn't sound very free. It doesn't sound very open at all. And the difference is because when you say you have a courtroom in your courtyard, you have your. You have your lawyer, you have your prosecutor, you have your defense, you have the judge. But when you have cameras rolling and you have the doors open, and even here in federal court today, and as. As General Flynn knows, the federal courtroom does have the ability to members of the public to go and attend. This is one of our oldest traditions, and it is one of our best traditions, that justice should be done in public. Justice should be done before the people. And if you have something to tell that you shouldn't be able to hide it, you should put it out, because that is a check on the entire system by the people in a free society. And this very transparency is the line, it's the absolute line that you draw between a free society and a totalitarian society. Because a free. In a free society, who has the power? The people. The people had the power, and the people had a right to know. And all of these issues come into bear there because you think, of course the public has a right to know. Of course the public should have a check on the system. Because the public ultimately, ultimately is the backstop of every single system of media, of power, journalism, government, of corporate power in the entire world. You are nothing without the people. Those are the people who should be empowered. And if we are going to be truth tellers and if we are going to continue to fight for the legacy of Charlie Kerr, then we have to do the same thing that he always did. Empower people, share the information with people, share truth with people, share his platform with people, like he did every single day. He allowed me even onto his platform for some reason. And he would Allow all of us, all of us would go to Turning Point events and be up there and you know, James would have these elaborate musical performances and. But it was multimedia and push the boundaries and interact with people in ways that you never thought possible. That's what Charlie was all about. And another piece that I think that I've come to appreciate a little bit more was that Charlie never lost sight, even in the rise of digital, even in the rise of social media. And of course, Charlie was on every social media, dominated every single platform he ever even thought about. He never lost sight of trying to connect with people in person, in the physical space on those campuses. And when he would bring someone up to the front and he would always say this, and we saw JD And Erica were down at University of Mississippi Ole miss last night. 10,000 people came out last night, by the way. We had 7,000 in Montana, we had Nebraska, we had India, have thousands upon thousands, biggest events we've ever had. But Charlie, we didn't care about the numbers. If there was someone in front of him, he would care about that person. And for that moment he would even tell people, say, hey, hey, don't heckle, don't cut them off, don't yell. I want to connect with this person individually in real life, not through a screen.
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- [43:39]
James O'Keefe
Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it.
- [43:43]
Jack Posobiec
Go get it.
- [43:44]
James O'Keefe
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our cuts excited.
- [43:52]
Jack Posobiec
Amen.
- [43:54]
General Michael Flynn
And I think in so many ways this is the, this is the negative side Right. Of independent media and social media. Because when we do things through the virtual space, when we do things on these little pieces of flash that we carry around in our hands and in our pockets every day, we lose sight of the fact that there's a real person on the other side. Right before AI takes over.
- [44:14]
James O'Keefe
Of course.
- [44:15]
General Michael Flynn
And.
- [44:17]
Jack Sobeck
The person who shot Charlie Kirk.
- [44:19]
General Michael Flynn
Didn'T think of Charlie Kirk as a real person. This was, this was someone. And, you know, assuming that this evidence is correct and this is the suspect, this is someone who, when you look at how disassociated this young man was.
- [44:32]
Jack Sobeck
Burger forgave in an incredible act of Christian charity.
- [44:36]
General Michael Flynn
But if you look at how disassociated he was from reality, he was someone who was involved, yes, in a transsexual relationship with a man. He is someone who was involved with extreme pornography, which included, by the way, transhumanist pornography where he was watching simulators that allowed him to pretend he was a furry. And so he would participate as this sort of half animal, half human hybrid performing extreme sexual acts on other furries. And this was a game that he played in his time. So total disassociation with reality and throwing himself into this Internet based personality. This is a real threat. This is the. One of the biggest threats of our time is that if we forget about the real world, if we forget about reality, if we forget about truth, if we forget about meeting one another as an individual and totally throw ourselves into these Internet based identities which are false identities, which are not godly ordained identities, which are not identities that are provided to us by our creator, then that is where the devil will steep in, that is where the demonic will seep in. And that is the trap. And that is the biggest trap of all. And that's why I realized that Charlie focused so much on bringing people back to the physical space and bringing people back together. And I'll end with this. That I realized too, that in. Because of what Libby wrote, the fact that Charlie was murdered on live stream. Think about that. It wasn't just an attack on Charlie. It wasn't just an attack on Western culture and Western civilization. It was even an attack on independent media. The fact and everyone who consumes it. Because if you were watching that live stream, and I don't even have to ask for, you know, you know, people to raise their hands. I know you've all seen the video. I know you've all seen it. And I know that Charlie's kids will see it one day. This little girl and this little boy who are so young, they have no idea what's going on. It's an attack on us and it was designed to be an attack on us through social media. So we need to become wary as well when we are consuming this, that these are new attack vectors on all of us that we need to build not just physical defenses of, but psychological and spiritual defenses of as well. And that's why everything that Charlie did and what we're trying to do even more and more is to put God at the center of every single thing that we do. Because nothing that comes from God can be bad and everything that comes from Satan is.
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Jack Posobiec
Wow.
- [47:28]
James O'Keefe
Unbelievable. Earlier, and you guys weren't here, I've lit. I listed, listed off a group of character traits of what I felt from these people that I have gotten to know over the many years. And one of them has to do with courage and passion. And you saw that up here, you know, and I know that the be of a couple other people, but those that have already spoken today, but this idea of, of unifying, you know, under some umbrella, right. And, and really the umbrella is our ability to be able to speak freely about what we want, what we believe in. Right. Our country, our faith.
- [48:02]
Libby Emmons
Right.
- [48:02]
James O'Keefe
The freedoms that we, that we cherish, that many, many have sacrificed for. But one of the things in, in Lara is actually there's a reason why I'm up here today. And we're here today because her and I, a couple of years ago, she, and she probably didn't remember the conversation, but I do. We talk about figuring out how do we, how do we grasp what has happened in the world of, of the media. And we had a long conversation about the Washington D.C. correspondent Bureau and you know, the failure of that organization, frankly. And because they'd given up the truth and, and so the main, the main points and they just talked about it. It's to be truthful, be accurate and be responsible. I mean, if you think about that, be yourself. Right? Use good common sense. So, you know, I know everybody got busy lives here. I, I particularly appreciate you guys being here and being part of this and doing what you're doing because what you're seeing is this is a, this is a tectonic ship in the world of, of information. Okay. And that's a world that I am very familiar with. We are going through this very, very historic move that is, that is causing the world to go in a different direction. And Jack. Yeah. We're not really going to talk too much about it today. That'll be something down the road. Is artificial intelligence me highlighted a little bit in the world of artificial intelligence. Right. I mean, and, and so that's another aspect of being able to discern. You know, you use the word. We heard the word discernment, and Larry used it as well. This idea about discernment, which is, take it to me just, I just take it as, take a deep breath, take a step back, you know, understand what it is that you're hearing and seeing. What is it that are, you know, what values you have that kind of will synthesize all that information together and then respond, right, Instead of like you were talking about. We're very sort of or fluid online. Sometimes we repost things. You know, we do things that are, you know, they just make us feel good. But, but actually, we are going to face trials here, right? We're going to face trials here. I know in our country. We're going to face trials here in the, in the coming weeks, coming months. And we don't know. And, but when we do, it's this body. Because the other side of what we're facing is whatever talked about and, and what we heard earlier, you know, from Ukraine, I mean, the other side of what we're talking about, it doesn't exist. Freedom doesn't exist. Right? It had been all over the world. I'm telling you, there's no. That's why I tell pastors, I tell pastors, look, you ought to be talking about politics in our country from the pulpit, because only reason you can talk from the pulpit about your religion is because of something called the Constitution. So you can't, you know, like, let's get with it, you know, so I, I know there's little things and, and Trump actually did us all favor with, you know, kind of minimizing the, the Johnson Act. So that's helpful. But, you know, I haven't talked about it and, and Don talked about it with what we're seeing in, in the United Kingdom, you know, in the Netherlands, Italy, I mean, across the, across the world, Ukraine, and trying to figure out, because things happen and then all of a sudden, you know, they begin to happen here. I don't know where we're going to end up. I don't know where we're going to end up. But without fighters, without courageous fighters. And that's kind of, you know, all of you that are in this space, right? There's courage, there's passion. It's entrepreneurial spirit is having that right. It's, it's doing the right thing. And I forget which one of you talked about. Oh, James did. Very, very powerful. We didn't catch it. You know, he. He basically said Psalm 23, right? Yea, that I walk through the valley of the shadow of death. I will fear no evil, for thou art written. Right. I mean, I've said this before, and I'm still a little bit of time here, this country. I used to talk and. And I'm doing it for. For the last number of years to. I've lived it. We're not on the precipice. We are in the valley of the shadow of death. And I. The way I describe it is I say we have two choices. That's it. Not 50 choices. You have two. One, you can sell your soul. Okay? You can go for the bright light, shiny thing, right? Or you can take the very difficult path, which is a very dim light. And it's a long journey out of that valley. Okay? And I'm getting chills because I have been. And when you think about just these four and of course, you know, others that we've had here represented already, and some of you. But these are people who have been in that valley. And it's like, you know, like my mother would say, get off your knees and get out there. Go do something. Right? And so these are people that are warriors, fighters in that valley. And I am so, you know, grateful for you guys for taking the time and. And just being here, right? And everything that you're doing. So got.
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General Michael Flynn
And remember, we're winning, they are losing.
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Jack Posobiec
This is an I Heart podcast.