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Jack Posobic
This is an iHeart podcast.
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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
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A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Christ is is king. You believe if you go after where.
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Seamus Coughlin
The money come is coming from with antifa in regards to antifa, do you believe that would be similar to cutting the head off the snake, so to speak?
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Benny Johnson
And I, it would help. You know, I don't know that it would be totally complete, but it would certainly. You'd knock out 75%, 80%, 85%. These people, a lot of them don't believe it. You know, when they, I watch them, I say I can almost tell a pro by they're like professionals. That's all they do. And they get paid by somebody. I think it would knock out a lot of it.
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Unknown Announcer
Yet an online campaign to boycott the.
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Jack Posobic
Streaming giant Netflix went viral this week.
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Several prominent right wing figures are accusing.
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The company of promoting LGBTQ agendas in.
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Its shows that are geared towards children.
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The movement to boycott the platform gained traction when Elon Musk promoted post about the show on X urging people to cancel their subscriptions, with Musk himself saying, quote, netflix is deliberately choosing to pay people to create sexualized content for children.
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Unknown Announcer
This morning, another case of go woke go, bro. This time, Netflix feeling the heat. Over the past week, Netflix has lost $15 billion in market value after users canceled their subscriptions. Earlier this week, Elon Musk began the calls for a boycott after Netflix premiered a show called Dead End Paranormal park, which Musk said pushes transgender ideology. That animated series has a transgender main character and was designated as appropriate for kids as young as seven years old.
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Jack Posobic
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events daily. Today is October 10, 2025, Anno Domini. It's now one month since the murder of my friend Charlie Kirk. And I can't believe it's been a month already. In a way, it feels like it just happened. Those early days were an absolute blur. I spent most of that time out in Phoenix, Turning Point team with Erica, with the family, did the memorial. Spent a lot of time on camera, as everybody knows. And in that time, I've traveled. I've been to the White House, I've talked to the President of the United States about this. But, you know, you know, it doesn't make it any better. Doesn't. And we've seen the, you know, the incredible outpouring of love, the incredible outpouring of faith that we've seen around the world. And it's been phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. And it. It doesn't make it right, you know, because there'll be times where I'm just sitting with my boys and my wife and having a nice moment, and the thought will pop up that Charlie's family will never have that. His son and daughter will never have that. Eric will never have that. Every single one of those moments was stolen from them. And that doesn't sit right with me. That doesn't sit right at all. And in those moments when I do get upset like that and other people do and people have talked to me throughout this month, both people who know them and even people who only know them through a screen, either a large screen or a small screen, the way to deal with that grief is to lean into it. And you lean into it through action. And you lean into it through staying on mission. And that's why we've held the vigils, and that's why we held the memorial, and that's why we're holding Amfest, and that's why we're holding the super. The Super Bowl All American halftime show. We are staying on mission. The tour continues. The work continues. The mission continues. And tonight I personally will be going to the state of New Jersey, going down to Wildwood, going down the shore to hold a get out the vote rally for Jack Cittarelli, who has an incredibly good chance of flipping New Jersey red, of taking a state that no one thought it could be possible to win. But when you look at the return rates of the mail in ballots right now, when you look at the momentum from 2024 and now in 2025, there is a real chance the polls have tightened there. The races aren't down the line. And I thought, you know, what would Charlie do? What would Charlie do in a race like that, with everything on the line, the ability to win a governor's seat in a blue state, I don't even have to think about it. I know exactly what Charlie would do. Charlie would say, get in the fight. So that's what I'm doing. I'm going to be going down there this evening. Myself, Benny Johnson, Scott Pressler, and of course, Cliff Maloney. You got the entire Pennsylvania team. Has now moved over to the New Jersey team. It's the New Jersey chase. We can win this. Red jersey is on the table. Red jersey is not a myth. We can make it a reality. And we can take this fight all the way to Trenton and send a message to the entire world, the entire world that we're still here, that we're still fighting, that these values, these ideals, these, these things that Charlie stood for, they matter. And that American values matter. And they will continue to matter. And so when you put that on a ballot, we are going to vote with our values. And the people of New Jersey have an incredible chance to send a repudiation to Washington, D.C. to this Kamala Harris of New Jersey, terrible candidate, by the way, Jack Cittarelli, small business owner, guy who ran for office, guy who loves his state. He has the opportunity to be an incredible governor for New Jersey. And that's why we're putting our money where our mouth is. We'll be there tonight in Wildwood, New Jersey. Right back, Jack Posobic. Real America's Voice continues.
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Benny Johnson
Nothing will stand in our way. And our golden age has just begun.
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Jack Posobic
This is Human Events with Jack Posovic.
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Good Jack, thanks for having me.
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And my gosh, I can't believe that today is one month since the murder of Charlie Kirk. Evita, tell us if you can, you know, look, I don't live on TikTok. I don't, you know, I'm not Gen Z. What was it about the Charlie Kirk murder that was so shocking to Gen Z and even Gen Alpha as people are reaching out to me, what was it about this? I mean because I have people telling me that Charlie Kirk's murder is like the Gen Z 9 11.
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Well that's a really accurate description I would say Jack. And it was funny. After it happened both of my parents started to watch all these old Charlie Kirk videos as like a lot of you know, Gen X boomer Americans were trying to figure out who is this man, like why is there such an emotional reaction to it? And they fell in love with him and what he was preaching. But for Gen Zers and Gen Alph, Charlie Kirk was like a friend in our lives or maybe he was if you're a leftist, right, he's an annoyance in your daily life. But he was everywhere. He was all over social media. Not only was he all over social media, mega viral, but he was actually present physically on American college campuses. He's like a fixture of Gen Z politics and what we view the idea of political debate to be. So he was really somebody that a lot of people felt like they knew even if they didn't. And so it was incredibly impactful on so many Americans lives.
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And I think there's something too where you know, Charlie was the kind of guy, he wasn't going to violent, you know, these riots, he wasn't covering them. He wasn't a citizen journalist, a street journalist type. I mean he was a citizen organizer for sure. But I guess what I mean to say is that Charlie didn't go out seeking violence or anything like this. He would sit on campus and he would ask people to come and debate him and hold these discussions and they'd go back and forth on the issues and, and he just, it was so shocking that, that no one ever expected it. And you know, there had never been the sort of, you know, situation where Charlie had been, you know, you know, punched or someone late leap at him from the microphone stand or you know, something like that. And I, you know, I'VE thought so many times, like, why couldn't have just been one of those and. But no, you know, the very first one where someone tries to do something like this on campus and this is what happened. Evita, I know it's early to say, but do you think that the rise of political violence. And I have to say it, though, and I mentioned this to President Trump earlier this week, I specifically was making the point that on the left, on the far left, Gen Z is extremely violent. Why is that?
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Well, Jack, I would say that actually Gen Z is far right and far left. Like we've embraced both political extremes, for better or for worse. And first of all, there's the indoctrination of the college campuses. This is why Charlie Kirk was present on college campuses, because he understood that this is where the battle is at. This is where young people are being radicalized. Our institution, specifically the university system, has been infiltrated by leftists, by radical Marxists for decades, and they are destroying minds of American youth. There's also the element of social media and radical corners of the Internet. You hear all about right wing violence, right wing extremism and radicalization. Hardly ever are we talking about left wing radicalization. And it's true that there are massive and very deep dark corners of the web where these people are living and growing this kind of radical sentiment. And I think that there is. I don't think it's a mistake that Charlie Kirk was the one who was targeted. I don't think it's a mistake that regular Americans on the street are targeted. Charlie Kirk was not inflammatory. Charlie Kirk was on college campuses. Yes, he was debating, but he was deeply respectful. He wasn't trying to have gotcha questions with the kids. He was trying to have a dialogue. And radical leftists hate ordinary good people because they view them as complicit in the injustice of the system that they claim to be fighting. And so the victims of left wing violence always are the good people. That's what I concluded after Charlie Kirk died. He said, why wasn't it a radical, radical right winger, somebody who's way far on the right, who's trying to enrage people? No, it was Charlie Kirk. And it makes sense why it was Charlie Kirk because they always target Charlie Kirks.
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No. And this is what's so clear. And Evita, you first started coming on this show about, I don't know, two years ago now. And this is what we were talking about. We were talking about the rise of political violence in the United States and we were specifically referencing the story that you had told about the Spanish Civil War, your family's own history. I hate to say this, but did you ever really think that it would get this bad, that it would. That the parallels would be happening so directly to what happened almost 100 years ago?
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You know what? No, Honestly, I've been shocked. Well, here's what I'll say. I have been shocked by what I've seen over the last few years, but I was deeply scarred by BLM in 2020. I think a lot of young. I think that was a major turning point for a lot of people to. Turning point, of course, to turn to the political right, because on these college campuses and in major American cities, these radical leftists burned things down. And not only did they just burn buildings and loot stores, but they also tried to tear down our history. They attacked the essence of America. They attacked who we are as a people, our heritage. And this is what they always do. This is what they did during the Spanish Civil War. They attacked the Catholic faith, they attacked the civilians Spanish empire. This is what they do in Britain and. And in Poland and in any other country where leftists are trying to infiltrate the cultural identity of the nation. They tear down the true identity of the people. This is what they do, is what.
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They do every single time. Because the insanity that is a sickness, that is real, it's spreading. President Trump, of course, held the roundtable a couple of days ago. Now, I was honored to be a small part of that, along with people like, like my friend Andy Noem, my colleague Katie Davis Court, Savannah Hernandez, Jonathan Cho, so many people that have gone up against them in the past. But I do think, though, Evita, that people seem to have this. This idea maybe. Maybe the wrong idea that this is something new, when in fact it's not new. And that's one of the first things I said to the president was that this organization, this ideology, it's existed for over 100 years. This is what led to the destabilization of the Weimar Republic. This is what led to the Spanish Civil War. They were Bolsheviks. They were funded by the Bolsheviks as the international arm of communism. And it started in Europe and then it came to the United States. It's absolutely a foreign terrorist organization. And it's crazy to me to think that, you know, that people would even question that.
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Well, the worst part is that we're funding it, Jack. We are funding these schools that have carried on this tradition. It's even before the Weimar Republic where you have the French Revolution. And I think the. Through line for all of this. Yes, they're trying to, you know, go against the proletariat or they have all these similar catchphrases. You know, the people are rising up. Whatever it is, the through line really I think Jack, is a hatred of Christianity. It's a hatred of God himself. That is the real thing in common that they all have have. They always go after the Christians. And people were making fun of conservatives for saying that Charlie Kirk is a martyr. He is a martyr. What really gets them, what really enrages them is not his commentary on taxes or foreign policy or even transgenderism, whatever it is. It's his Christian faith that is informing his views. And it's his Christian faith that truly enrages them and will drive a radical leftist to murder you. That is the essence of, of their ideology. It is a hatred of God himself.
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Well, it's, it's a hatred of God because they hate God for creating them. Because ultimately, ultimately they hate themselves, they hate the world, they hate God for creating the world, they hate God for creating them. And so because they can't attack God directly, no one can. Lucifer tried and that didn't work out well for him. They attack God's creations, they attack life, they attack humanity. They are anti humanity. And I wrote an entire book about this last year trying to unpack this ideology to explain to people that it's not about equality, it's not about social justice, it's not about seeking a better living standard for people. No, it's not about that at all. It is about tearing down. It is about destroying. It is about uglifying and it is about corrupting. It is evil. It is the, the politicization and weaponization of envy, of sin. And that is what this Marxism, this godless filthy communism turns people into. Evita Duffy, my favorite anti communist. We are on with you. We're taking a quick break. We right back here. Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily. Because I want to ask Evita, why is the mainstream media keep covering this up and do people still believe them? We'll be right back.
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Benny Johnson
Today, you know, they talk about influence, influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack, where's Jack? Jack who's got a great job.
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Jack Posobic
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Well, I'll say I also came face to face with Antifa. They were during the Kenosha BLM riots in Wisconsin. They bust themselves in from Portland and then burned down the city. So these are, these are horrific people. Oftentimes they're causing mayhem not just in Portland, but other parts of the United States of America. They're completely a terror organization. The Trump Admin is correct on that. And the reason why the left doesn't wanna talk about Antifa is the same reason that I think Mao Zedong really loved his Red Guard, right? You wanna have people who are the enforcers who will do the dirty work of the radical left. It's not gonna be Nancy Pelosi, it's not gonna be, it's not gonna be the hosts of MSNBC or cnn, but it is gonna be Antifa. Now the problem is they'll lose a lot of support, the left will lose a lot of support if we start to acknowledge the existence of Antifa. But what Antifa does is they exist to intimidate the political right, to intimidate regular Americans into left wing orthodoxy. That's what they do, that is their purpose. And the mainstream left, the normal people, so we say, actually really like them because that's what they want. They want all of us scared into silence and submission.
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And how has the mainstream media's credibility favored over the last couple of years where they refuse to cover certain things because it doesn't help one side of the aisle?
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I think the American people have realized, Jack, and this is, this is so clear with the rise of podcasting and other forms of media that they lie to us constantly. There's an agenda with a lot of these left wing corporate media organizations. They say, oh, we're unbiased and we all we care about is the facts and we have these extensive processes to get the information out to you. It's a lie, there's a narrative, there's a line to be said and the person who's in front of the camera, Antifa is not necessarily giving you everything that they think or believe or that they know. There is a corporate signal, there is a groupthink that exists in these corporations and the American people can see it because they lie to our faces about things like Antifa, which we can see with our own eyes. And social media has played a huge role in this, Jack, because you can go out to Portland, take a video of it and show us Antifa we don't need CNN and NBC, MSNBC to give us that information. We have it already. And we can prove that they're liars.
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No, we can prove they're liars. The Pew studies have come down again and again saying people are sick of it, they're done. And Evita, this is so clear because when you look at, you know, millennials, we look at Gen Z, when you look at Gen Alpha, they didn't grow up on TV, did they? They grew up on YouTube, they grew up on Snapchat, they're growing up on TikTok. They aren't, you know, sitting in front of a certain channel every once in a while and like, like watching, you know, paid news. They go directly where the truth is straight up the ground.
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Yeah, well, and they have to. I mean, this is what the American people have had to resort to doing because again, the left wing media, the corporate media, has completely abandoned any semblance of integrity and the truth. I always laugh, Jack, when we see these articles come out from the corporate media about the fear of AI and nobody can tell what the truth is anymore. Or extremist podcasters who aren't telling the truth, they don't have all the information that we have and it's ridiculous. Torch their own credibility. They continue to do that. And so I don't really care. I mean, I do care about AI, but at one point I have to say, what would I rather do? Try and find my own information from people that I really trust? Individuals from primary sources on social media, live, as it happens? Or would I rather trust you in the corporate media who has lied to me over and over again? And the answer is no, I do not trust them.
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No, we can't trust them. And this is why. And by the way, when you've made your bed like that, they've done nothing to try to pick up the next generation, they've done nothing to try to win over new viewers. And eventually there is going to be this generational shift that we're already seeing. We're already seeing the generational shift in real time where people are checking out, people are completely checking out. Final word to you last minute, Evita Duffy, and make sure to tell everyone where to follow.
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A signal of their desperation is that a lot of these organizations are taking part in, in third party groups to try and literally bankrupt conservative alt media companies. It is disgusting, it is wrong. And that's a sign that they are desperate and losing. My social media is evitaduffy_1 on Instagram.
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And on X, Evita Duffy,_1. Make sure you are following her for the best and greatest anti communist takes that you will find anywhere. Jack Posobic, we're going to be up next talking a little bit more about the culture war and what we are doing to be able to fight it. Right back. Human Events Daily, Real America's Boys.
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Seamus Coughlin
And Jack.
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Benny Johnson
Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack.
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Jack Posobic
Thank you.
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Benny Johnson
What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who'd be getting policies.
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Jack Posobic
All right, Jack Posobic, we are back. Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. We're talking about culture. We're talking about getting involved in the culture war. And earlier this week we announced over at Turning Point USA that we've taken this completely insane idea that I had to hold a counter halftime halftime show, an all American halftime show by Turning Point usa And we were going to be doing it. We are going to be holding it come this February 8th. You can go over to americanhalftimeshow.com to get more information on that. And we're also, by the way, talking about what else we can do to get involved in the culture war. To fight back for pro American culture, but also to fight back against leftist culture. For so long. We complain about it. We, we, we whine about it. We say, oh, I can't believe they're doing this. I can't believe we're doing that. And the same thing with this bad bunny guy. So I said, fine, let's do own. Let's literally do our own. Well, someone who's joining us right now is doing his own as well. His name is Seamus Coughlin. He joins us today. James, how are you, brother?
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Seamus Coughlin
Great to be back. Always a pleasure to talk to you, man. I'm honestly doing great. The crowdfunding campaign for the new show we're putting together is off to a very, very strong start. I've just been overwhelmed by the outpouring of support we've gotten from people and seeing how many positively minded conservative people want to reshape culture, want to help break apart the dominant media, culture's monopoly over story and entertainment. I am really pumped up here, man. I'm very optimistic about the future.
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Jack Posobic
So talk to us a little bit about what now you've done. Freedom tunes and, and so what? And for people who, let's say let's. There's people in the audience that don't even know what that is, who you are. Obviously you've got a huge pro, you know, platform. But give us a little bit about what brought you to want to make Freedom Tunes and then how did that turn into the new show?
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, great question. So I started Freedom Tunes when I was 19 years old. I began a small business in animation production when I was 18, and then when I was around 19, I just started posting short animations that I made about politics to my YouTube channel in my spare time. And eventually it started picking up traction. And so I began investing more time and energy into that. And then by the time I finished college, we were pulling in enough money with Freedom Tunes and with the political work that I was doing for political clients for me to be able to make a living off of it. And then I was also able to start to hire a small crew. And so Freedom Tunes has just grown from there. It's 11 years since I started it and we've amassed a million subscribers. We've made over 600 videos, we have a quarter of a billion views. And I'm proud to say that I've done all of that. We've done all of that with $0 spent on marketing. I just have an amazing team and an extremely loyal audience. And one thing many of us have noticed is while the right wing is great at making documentaries and probably over the past two decades, the right has done a better job countering the left in the news space and building out news platforms such as this one. One thing that we have not been quite as strong at is building out entertaining content. So after 11 years of consistently churning out these entertaining comedy videos that people seem to really enjoy, we've decided we want to take this to the next level. And we want to make a 22 minute to 25 minute show, each episode being 22 to 25 minutes long. And we're going to do a five episode season. It's like it's an animated anthology series. Each episode tackles a completely different story. The audience reception we've already gotten back from our first episode has been extremely positive. People who donate to our crowdfunding campaign to fund the show, twisted plots.com they get at the $25 level, a preview of our pilot. They get to watch the full 25 minute long thing. And, and the feedback has just been very encouraging. People are really enjoying it. And the success of our crowdfunding campaign so far has been sending a clear message, which is that people want grassroots content which promotes their values instead of spreading contempt for them in their way of life.
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Jack Posobic
It's really, really simple. But, you know, we talk about this kind of stuff. We talk about, you know, what's it like. And, you know, it's. I gotta say, too, you know, even though. So Charlie, right. One of the last things that. That we got to do, you know, last big things, I guess, was this south park episode, right? Where. South Park. It was kind of. You know, they. They were. I. I guess they attempted it as a parody of Charlie, but he totally leaned in and he loved it and he embraced it.
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Seamus Coughlin
I saw that. I didn't know him personally, but I saw those videos. Yeah, I thought he handled that perfectly.
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Jack Posobic
So he. Yeah, so he actually, he. He, like. I remember when it happened, he was, you know, we're in the group chat together and he. He hits us up and he goes, what? He goes, guys, what do you think about this? We're like, dude, it's great. It's great. He's like, should I come? Like, no. He said, because I kind of like it. And I was like, no. You tell people you like it. You know, just. Just say that. Just go with that. Don't. Don't turn into a few. Just laugh along with it. So we. We even did an episode, we did like a live stream where we sort of did a. You know, legally, we couldn't do a watch along, but we did sort of like a live reaction to it. And he. He thought it was the funniest thing. He said, you know, this is what it's all about. This is what it's about, becoming part of the culture. And it's, you know, obviously horrifying that, you know, just a couple of weeks after that, hanging out, you know, watching south park with my buddy, that that's, you know, what happened to him. But it. It's something where it shows that a show like that, south park becoming so iconic, something that people use as a touchstone that sets culture, that sets opinions, and that eventually trickles down. This is what Breitbart taught us. This is what trickles down into our politics. And yet, so many times conservatives have tried to do this and, you know, well, intentions, of course, but it hasn't been great because I think when we were on Tim Cast the other day, you said it. It's like, you know, a lot of conservative content is like someone just shows up on screen and starts lecturing. And I'm like, I'm so glad that you don't do that.
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Seamus Coughlin
No, I appreciate that. And that's actually been a really important rule that we've had with Freedom Tunes. Freedom Tunes is much more explicitly political, but the entertainment and the jokes come first. We want to be able to lampoon things and parody things in a way that someone can genuinely laugh at it and not just go, I agree with that, and clap along because it's pandering to them. And so I didn't. Just to touch on what you said, I didn't know Charlie Kirk. I met him once. He was a nice interaction, very pleasant guy. But being able to laug at yourself is a real show of character. And being a good sport about a cartoon being made about you is a really good show of character. I think it's important for us on the right to be able to show that we as a movement can actually claim the high ground, not just of economics, not just with respect to our knowledge of how political systems work, and not even just necessarily with the culture, but just the ability to have fun, the ability to laugh at ourselves, the ability to make really entertaining stuff.
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Jack Posobic
Yeah, exactly. And the idea that you can make something entertaining, something that people are going to like. And that's. By the way, that's what Charlie was doing with his campus tours. He was making culture for Gen Z, for even Gen Alpha, which I. I didn't even kind of understand prior to, you know, prior to what happened prior to his murder. Because there's so many people who say, this is what, you know, this is cultural. It became a cultural thing, and now people sharing it. And people aren't necessarily saying, oh, look at these debate clips. They're saying, listen to what he talked about with his wife. Listen what he talked about about marriage. Listen to what he talked about about faith. Listen to what he talked about about health. These are all cultural topics, not political.
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Seamus Coughlin
I believe that Dr. George Barna did a study on this a while ago. I had the pleasure of interviewing him on my podcast a while back. But she. It was explaining the. I believe this was a study that he did. And basically what they found was, unsurprisingly, children get just a vast majority of their understanding of how the world works from media. They're more likely to adopt a belief that they've seen in media than they are to adopt a belief that they've heard from their parents or even heard in church or heard at school. People forget how important the cultural aspect of these things are. Again, I think it's really important to do news shows. I think it's really important to do documentaries. But the way people have learned things historically is through story Story has been a way that we've passed on our collective memories, younger people, into the next generation. And for the past several decades, what we've been allowing, and I believe I'm paraphrasing Mr. Rogers here, actually, but what we've been allowing is for complete strangers to come into our homes to teach our children, which is totally insane, and to allow complete strangers to come into our home to teach us. Why would you want that? Why would you want your entertainment to be made by people who literally hate you, Literally hate your values? We were chatting about this on the show the other day, but George Lucas acknowledged that when he made Star wars, he was basing the. The resistance off of the communists in Vietnam, which is insane. I mean, the communists literally murdered Catholic children. These were horrible, horrible people. I understand that communists did a very good job taking over academia in the United States. So you don't hear a lot about this. And people don't recognize the atrocities that were committed by these communist fighters and by the Vietcong. But this is how much contempt the people who have made your media have for you. And it's, it's not just limited to people like that. And, and it's not just limited to media like that. Even a film like Titanic. We've talk about this before. This is a film which is one of the. The highest grossing romance films of all time. And it's just promoting adultery, it's promoting cheating. It's, it's, it's a very horrible story. If you just laid out that story in black and white, people would say, I don't like this woman. But because James Cameron is a true master of his craft and you have to give him that, he's very, very good at what he does. You watch that film and you sympathize with a person who's doing really bad things and it makes you root for a person who's doing really bad things.
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Jack Posobic
Exactly.
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Seamus Coughlin
So what I believe we have to do is conservatives, is we have to make media that gets people to root for good things, that teaches people the moral lesson that you want to be a good person. You're not going to get away with being a bad person because no one gets away with anything.
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Jack Posobic
Quick break, Seamus. Right back. Because this is straight fire, especially on a Friday. Human Events Daily World Record Voice continues.
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Benny Johnson
Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it.
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Seamus Coughlin
Go get it.
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Benny Johnson
And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around. And make our country great again.
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Seamus Coughlin
Amen.
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Jack Posobic
All right, folks, Jack Posopic. Here we are back at Human Events Daily. We're on with Seamus Coughlin. And Seamus, I love what you were just saying there. And, and it's this story about how there's what we put in our stories, and the stories that we tell are the stories that we believe, and the stories that we focus on are the stories that shape our culture. It used to be that, especially in Western civilization, that story was the story of Jesus Christ. Christ, that story was. Was Christ who descended from heaven, who came from the Father to Mary, was born in Bethlehem, suffered, died, and was resurrected. I'm doing the creed now. And, you know, and, and, and that was the central touchstone, though, for all of Western civilization until about the 1960s. And in the 1960s, that's when this, this counterculture really first rose its head up, and then the generations that were born after that. So if you're born in the 70s, 80s, 90s, or today, suddenly you're born in a world where Jesus Christ is not the center of our civilization. And yet, you know, it wasn't something that was like, forced on people ever before. It was just normalized. It was normalized because that's who we were in the West. The idea that in the 1950s, the Three Crosses of Calvary would be up across the skyline of New York City was completely normal, and nobody had a problem with it whatsoever. Why? Because that was just the dominant culture, and that is our historic culture. Yet the cat, the revolutionaries who got in and the cultural Marxists who got in in the 60s, immediately started by pushing God out of the public square. And that's why I've always said one of my favorite, my favorite examples of this, of fighting back against this, I should say, is the. Another cartoon, man. It's the. The Charlie Brown Christmas Special, Peanut. You know, just the fact that Charles schultz, in the 1960s, in the face of all of that that was going on, went to, and I believe it was CBS and went to them and said, I am going to have Linus speak the gospel when Charlie Brown asks what the true story of Christmas is. And he got all this pushback from distributors, et cetera, and he said, look, if we don't do it, who will? And God bless.
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Seamus Coughlin
Amen.
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Jack Posobic
God bless him for doing that. And that's what it's all about, man.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yeah, Charles Schultz is a massive inspiration to me and, and just to show people how far our culture has fallen, part of the reason it was so controversial at the time to have that part of the gospel quoted in the Charlie Brown Christmas special is because people saw animation in cartooning as too vulgar a medium. And by vulgar I just mean at the level of the common and not sacred. They, they thought it was too flippant a medium to actually have the Bible quoted like that. Oh my goodness, how far we have fallen as a culture. Now I don't share the belief that it's, it's was bad for him to quote scriptures in that Christmas special. I think it's beautiful. I think it's taught a lot of children about the Bible. There's probably a lot of kids who that's the only Bible verse they've ever heard, right? So it's a beautiful thing. And one thing we have to remember about God is he is the ultimate author. I love telling stories. And every time we create anything, anything good, we're participating in God's creativity to an extent. He made us to create, he made us to co create with him. And often when we're making arguments for God, we'll say, well, look at this physical thing in the world that really exists. How could that have come from nothing? And that's an important and compelling argument. But also think about the story of reality, the story of history. It's so beautiful, it's so crazy. It's come together in such beautiful ways. There has to have been an author. And I think the authors told a beautiful story. And I believe the better a story is, the more it aligns with the grand story that God has already told and is telling the story that he's currently telling. Telling. If you have a truthful story where you're just trying to portray the world as it is, I firmly believe Catholic values are going to come through very strongly in that you're going to get good Christ centered values in that because he is the truth, he is the way, he is the life. So you don't have to put this ham fisted preaching and a lot of the content. When you watch the cartoons that we're doing, you'll notice there isn't a lot of verbalizing of these concepts because the stories tells itself in such a way that you get the message. And that was how Christ taught many times by telling parables. And so we as conservatives live in an era where we have the largest possible infrastructure for spreading stories in the most emotionally impactful way. And we have to do something about that. And that's what I'm trying to do. I've got an incredible team. They are extremely talented people. They're Some of the hardest working animators in the industry right now because we've been churning out one, sometimes two cartoons every week, which, for those who don't know, animation is really a lot. And I believe we are prepared to move to the next level, make longer content, create this show which is going to spread good moral values. And once this is finished and it's a success, it's also going to allow us to move on to bigger things, to create movies, more television shows, and to continue the fight in this culture war with the most effective weapon we have, which is media.
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Jack Posobic
It is the most effective weapon because it's the power of stories.
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Story.
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Look at how we used story. The stories of an individual towns, you know, you know, you know, townsmen of the people of Springfield, Ohio. Those individual stories, taking that all the way to the national level with the Haitians in the 2024 election and President Trump telling that story in a, in his, you know, typical graphic and very, very strong use of imagery, the way that he speaks. But, but it's, it's very much true that it, this is the power of stories. Why politicians do this from time to time that they. We use the power of story because when you're telling a story, it psychologically, you know, sort of bypasses those defenses. It by when, when you're arguing. Right. Your defenses or when you're doing the Charlie Kirk thing and okay, we're in a debate. Oh my gosh, we're in a debate. Actually, there was a moment where I'm going to mention this where JD Vance, one of the most incredible things that he did on a public stage. You've never seen a Republican do this before in the vice presidential debate. And people kind of forget about it because they sleep on it, where he said, you know, I have a friend back home who had an abortion. And everybody knows JD Vance's background and the power of his story, and he's ridden that story all the way to the highest heights and overcome everything. Absolute nightmare of a childhood to be able to do that. And total repudiation of everything the last left says you need to do. But he said, I have a friend back home who had an abortion, and I want to say to her right now, I love you. You're still my friend. And it just, it just destroyed the entire argument about, about conservatives and Christians, I really think so. And he used the power of story to do that.
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Seamus Coughlin
Well, because you, and you don't love someone if you don't call them to repentance, which is why the people who are saying abortion is good. Actually hate, hate the people who have had abortions in their heart because they don't want them to repent and receive God's forgiveness. And that's why I should also mention, I mentioned earlier that our most powerful tool is story. Let me add a caveat there, a slight correction. Our most powerful tool is prayer. Story, I would say, is the second most important tool. Media is the second most important tool in this fight. But it's very important. And I want to mention this. I think you're totally right. You can quote a lot of statistical information about the issues and even if the stats are heterodox, you're probably not going to get in that much trouble. But when you start telling stories that upset their narrative, that's when they get really, really upset with you. And that's why the media has chosen which crimes they were going to cover over the years, which story was going to be a high profile case when one person was hurt by another person, whether it was going to fit their narrative about race, about religion, about politics. And you can quote all the stat stats you want about those issues and how what the left tries to represent the reality, as with this, this myth, this lie that white Christian men are the most violent people on the planet. You can counter that with stats all you want and that might make them a little angry. But when you tell stories that disprove their narrative, when you shed light on real things that have happened that people can relate to at the interpersonal level, that's when they really get upset because they know story's powerful. Why do you think we call it a political narrative?
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Jack Posobic
Seamus, we're just about out of time. Tell people where they can go to follow you and to get access to the new show.
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Seamus Coughlin
Yes, please go to twisted plots.com if what I'm saying is resonating with you and you want to help us make this, go to twisted plots.com if you donate at the $25 level, you'll be able to watch our full 25 minute long pilot episode. God bless you guys. Thank you so much. And if you can't give money because you can't afford it, please share the link twisted plots.com and please pray for us.
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Benny Johnson
Us.
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Seamus Coughlin
Please pray for us. I appreciate all the prayers. God bless all of you.
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Jack Posobic
Amen to that. Prayers are our most powerful weapon. That's right, a second. And media follows through with all of that. Seamus, thank you so much for joining us here today on the program, folks. I will see you in New Jersey in just a couple of hours. Be there. The Seaport pier tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.
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