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This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic. Christ is king. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events daily. Today is October 13, 2025. Anno Dominic. Guys, if we can get that live shot up of Air Force One or whatever the pool feed is giving us right now. President Trump holding incredible, historic, just absolutely historic trip today to the Middle east. Just departing and we're told Air Force One is going to be departing in just a few moments here as special coverage continues on Real America's Voice. We're picking that up, of course, from the Human Events Daily side. We'll be covering in for the next hour, bringing guests in to talk about this historic deal and potentially a reset for relations in the Middle East. There you see President Trump signing in at the Knesset there with Bibi Netanyahu and the speaker. And what we've seen are scenes that in many cases, and look, I was on THE EARLY SHOW today with Bannon. We did a special overnight broadcast. This is biblical, folks. What we're seeing is biblically potential restructuring of the Middle East, a potential restructuring of geopolitics and a return of the United States to the world stage. For so many years, the United States had receded, had been seen as weak, certainly in the face of the Biden administration. Now with President Trump, this is peace through strength. We are seeing peace through strength in action. And notice, President Trump was able to achieve this not by conducting military raids against Hamas, not by conducting drone strikes in Gaza. No, he was able to get it done through diplomacy. And the real, the absolute, real credit here goes to that diplomatic team, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State Steve Witkoff, and then Jared Kushner coming in kind of as the closer for President Trump, along with his daughter in law, Ivanka Trump, them holding this incredible meeting there in Tel Aviv and then Jerusalem with the hostages as they were released, I believe 20 living hostages were released. Then President Trump flying to Egypt where he's currently on the ground now. And we'll get you that live shot in just a second where Air Force One is about to take off. President Trump just wrapped up speaking there at this incredible meeting. 27 nations gathered together to hear President Trump. And then the photos, the conversations, being there with every single one of the world leaders. America's preeminence is now reestablished on the world stage. What I mean by that, the United States, you know, Joe Biden would run around telling everyone, I'm the leader of the free world. You know, I'm the leader of the free world. And it's, it's like that old, that old line that if you are the king, you don't have to run around telling everyone you're the king. President Trump is the leader of the free world and he doesn't need to tell anyone you could see, because he doesn't run around telling them. They come to him. This is an unequivocal win for President Trump. This is MAGA World Peace in action. It's MAGA World Peace in action. The end of the war in Gaza, the end of the response to the horrific October 7th attacks. One year and one week. Exactly one year and one week from that terrible morning. All right, we've got that shot up in the box. These stairs are, are there? President oh, President. Guys, take that full screen. If the President Trump is there. And we're told President Trump boarding Air Force One and wrapping up this historic visit. Now, President Trump's plan. You look at the itinerary in terms of logistics, you look at the itinerary in terms of what's going on. Going on. There we go. There's that full screenshot. Look at this. Absolutely incredible. You can see President Trump, eight hour flight to Tel Aviv, four hours on the ground, then flying Tel Aviv to Egypt, Sheikh Al Sham holding a roundtable of meetings, another speech there to the Arab leaders, the Muslim world, and now returning. And why is he not spending the night? Why is he coming back so quickly to the United States? Why is he headed back here so fast? I'll tell you why. Because tomorrow at the White House, President Trump will be awarding Erica Trump the posthumous Medal of Freedom, the Presidential Medal of Freedom there at the White House. And I'll be able to tell you that we are very honored that Human Events Daily, as well as the Charlie Kirk show, will be broadcast from the White House grounds tomorrow. So we're going to be there, of course, for the ceremony, and we will be broadcasting this show directly from the White House tomorrow. And hopefully I'll be able to get some of the, working out the logistics, but I want to be able to get some of the crew on and maybe some special guests who are there in attendance. And then the medal ceremony will be taking place at after the end of Human Events Daily tomorrow. So look for that. It's going to be a historic day. And how amazing is it that the President, United States showing the, the true significance of Charlie Kirk and the true significance of what happened by flying all the way back from a historic peace deal meeting, Israel meeting with the Arab world, but now flying all the way back Air Force One and the entire entourage just so that Charlie Kirk can get his medal of freedom on his birthday. Be right back. Jack Posoic Human Events daily.
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Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American revolution. All right, Jack, we are back here. Human Events daily. Incredible historic day. President Trump making his way back now to Washington D.C. from the middle East. And ladies and gentlemen, look, I got, I got some news I got to tell you. So people say posobic, how can you be out there? You're, you're broadcasting live at 2 in the morning to for an hour and a half. Then you're back on the morning show. Now you're up in the afternoon. How do you do it? I say I couldn't do it without my blackout coffee. Blackout coffee is here with human events daily and I want it to be home with you as well. For years, blackout coffee has been my coffee of choice. And I know so many of you have missed it and just like I have. And so now is your chance to restock. Now is your chance to resupply. This isn't just coffee. It's America in a cup. Blackout coffee was founded on Christian values, rooted in family and built on the belief that hard working Americans to see it deserve better than you know that random corporate swill out there. Blackout coffee is a family business that roasts every batch right here in the United States of America. Two roast you got to try Morning Reaper, a smooth medium roast that kicks off your day without any bitterness. And for the dark roast lovers, I got to tell you one of my personal favorites is Brutal Awakening. Brutal awakening is a bold, rich roast with deep flavor that'll keep you sharp and alert. It's perfect for serving friends and family around the holidays because let's face it, the best gatherings start with the best coffee. So here's the deal. You go to blackoutcoffee.com poso and use promo code POSO for 20% off your first order. That's blackout coffee.com poso source support a company that supports your values, American jobs and fuels your freedom one strong cup at a time. And I just gotta say thank you to the folks over at blackout Coffee because if I had not received my resupply last week, I definitely would not have been able to perform this historic day the way that we have now, I want to bring in. So President Trump taking off there, Air Force One looks like logistically speaking, he'll be landing here. It's about an eight hour flight. Air Force One is able, of course, to fly higher, fly faster, given full flight clearance in across all, all airspace. They had a fighter escort, by the way, on their way into Egypt. So I imagine he'll have one again probably throughout various areas of the CENTCOM AOR as he makes his way across the Mediterranean. And looking to be looking to touch down in about eight hours. They'll put about 10pm Eastern here on the east coast. And then tomorrow, participating in the Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom. I want to bring in here longtime Trump adviser and political strategist Roger Stone. And Roger, we're looking at these historic, incredible scenes here. What are we to make of this? We were told that Trump was going to give us World War Three, but instead he's given us maga World peace.
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Jack, I think you hit this right on the head. This is a return to the policy of peace through strength as advocated by Dwight Eisenhower, supported by Ronald Reagan, and as President Trump pursued in his first term, where not only do we not start any new foreign wars, Trump being the only president in modern times who can claim that, but now solving some of the world's worst, you know, skirmishes, worst wars and so on. This guy's record is extraordinary. Not just this incredible peace deal which kind of brings back the Abraham Accords, which they again told Trump he could not achieve in his first term, but with the able assistance in that case, as in this, of Jared Kushner, achieve both historic agreements. This is absolutely historic. So there is no greater title that history can bestow than that of peacemaker. Donald Trump now adds this, this historic agreement to his, his ability to get a cease fire between Israel and Iran, solving the issues between India and Pakistan, getting Thailand and Cambodia to stop fighting Armenia and Azerbaijan, Saudi, Syria, Lebanon, all coming in under the Abraham Accords for better relations. Donald Trump is an incredible peacemaker. I am not happy that the Norwegian based Nobel Peace Prize committee elected to give their award to Maria Corina Machado, not so much as a criticism of her, but other than to say the right thing to do would be for her to ask, or maybe have Marco Rubio ask her if President Trump can give her the award and then she should hand it back to the President. He deserves this award. Even though I thought those elitist globalist freaks at the Nobel Peace Prize committee would likely not give it to him.
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Well, Roger, I think there's no, there's no question there. You know, look, looking at the, looking at the way that the President has really restructured, I think, geopolitics and world relations. This reminds me of, and I know you'll appreciate as well, this reminds me of something that Nixon said when he was in office where he said the best way for the United States to support Israel is for the United States to have strong relations with Israel's neighbors. Roger, what did he mean by that? And is President Trump following that dictum?
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Very famous, very clip. I mean, Nixon went out of his way to improve US Relationships with Egypt, with, with Saudi, particularly with a number of, of nations in the region. Israel was not happy about it at the time, but Nixon felt strongly that the United States had to have better relationships with everybody concerned if there was any way to bring peace and we could play the role of peacemaker. This is what Jimmy Carter did at Camp David, one of the few laudable things that he did. So I think that this is just an extraordinary historic occasion that shows that Trump really is a world class world diplomat. He's negotiated all of these settlements with very able assistance from Steve Witkoff and obviously in this case, Jared Kushner. He's doing an amazing job. Marco Rubio really is a surprise standout in this Cabinet. I always liked Rubio's hard line against communism. And this hemisphere has been very tough on Cuba, very tough on Maduro, who is a Marxist narco thug. Very tough. I think increasingly on Honduras. I mean, the Chinese Communists are on the move in this hemisphere too, as well as the more traditional Communists. Marco has been hardline and he is very faithfully executed the President's worldview, the President's America first foreign policy rather than that of the neocons.
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Well, you know, Roger, it was amazing to me. So a week ago we held the Antifa roundtable in the White House. And I'm there with Andy Ngo and Katie Davis Court and Savannah Hernandez, my colleagues from the post, Millennial and Human Events. And there's this moment where I look to my left and you mentioned Secretary of State. And so I can see the hallway. I'm looking down past the East Room into the Executive Mansion hallway, the foyer there on the north side. And I see the Secretary of State standing there. And I remembered that he was not going to be in the meeting. And I remember that I also saw the sec, the Vice President, who of course didn't end up coming on camera, the bearded Vice President also standing there in the hallway, and he had his, you know, he had his, his arms crossed. But I could look at the two of them, and they had a certain, A certain glint in their eye or perhaps a certain twinkle in their eye, and it looked as though they had good news for the Commander in chief. And then, of course, as everyone could see, Secretary Rubio came in, whispered in President Trump's ear that we were close to a deal the President made. Susie Wiles, Chief of staff, was incredibly gracious that she gave her seat to Secretary of State Rubio so that he could do that. It was an incredible move on her part. Complete understanding of protocol. And you see this as a working White House. And what can I say, Roger? Just, it was incredible to be a fly on the wall to that moment in history.
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Yeah, that's. That little sound bite goes down along with that moment that Andy Card present a White House aide later. I think Secretary of Transportation whispered in George W's ear that the 911 towers, that the towers had been hit on 9 11. This is, this is as historic a moment. This is an extraordinary breakthrough. We have to hope that obviously both sides keep every. Their obligations. The freeing of these hostages today is a testimony to the strength and the persistence and the negotiating skill of, Of Donald Trump to bring disparate parties together in the name of peace. It is. It is. It is amazing. They gave Barack Obama the Nobel Peace Prize, but the only real accomplishment he had, Jack, was killing more human beings with drones than any president in American history. I really, I really think the president deserves this award. And I would hope that Maria Corinna Machado would consider accepting it and giving it to the president. Bestowing it to the president.
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Yeah, Roger, that's a. That's an incredible idea. So she'll get it there, and then I would suppose she'd have to bring it to. He could invite her to the White House, perhaps, and have the ceremony there and invite the Nobel Committee as well. Why don't he? And it's, it would be, it would certainly be a coup, but this is a diplomatic coup, because what we're seeing now is the return of the United States to the world stage. And the United States, of course, had retracted and retreated from the world stage and sort of faded into, I believe, faded into the wallpaper with, with Joe Biden and his allowance of globalist interests and European interests to really take the lead, specifically as pertains to Ukraine, Russia, but then also as pertains to the Middle East. And we saw that in no less an example, as the disastrous withdrawal, the retreat from Afghanistan and the killings at Abbey Gate. Incredible scenes. Folks, we're going to be getting more, we're going to get more live coverage. We've got Roger Stone here providing insight into us as to how all of this went together. This is your front row seat to MAGA World peace as Human Events Daily continues our special coverage live on Real America's Voice. We'll be right back. Jack. Roger Stone.
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They talk about influence, influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack. Where's Jack? He's got a great job.
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Jack Posobic, we're back live here. Human Events Daily. We're of course talking about these incredible scenes coming out of the Middle East. We're looking at President Trump on his way back now from the Middle east aboard Air Force One. Folks, we're not able to do this special coverage 247 all around the world without you supporting us. And the way that you can support us the best is supporting our partners. So I want all patriots right now within sound of my voice to go to patriotmobile.com poso give them a call if you like at 972 Patriot. And you will now receive a free month of service with promo code POSO look, we all know that in today's day and age, you need cell phone coverage. You need to have the ability to connect, to participate in today's social life, to participate in cultural life, economic life. The best way to support us is to make sure that you're supporting people who support your values. And you can do that with Patriot Mobile. So go to patriot mobile.com poso again, patriot mobile.com poso support our ability to, to continue this coverage for you, not only of the special peace deal here today, but then tomorrow we'll be at the White House and covering the Presidential Medal of Freedom. To my friend, the guy whose show used to come on right before here, Charlie Kirk, I want to bring back on Roger Stone. Now. Roger, President Trump made some comments just a few moments ago in Egypt. He said they said World War three was going to kick off in the Middle east, but that's not going to happen on my watch. So President Trump, he has this incredible ability to simply directly state the obvious and even though you're not supposed to and drive right towards it. Roger, do you believe that President Trump's moves here will see a return to stability for the region?
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Look, I think there's going to be bumps along the way because that's how world affairs are at the end of the Day, I think he has achieved what could become a lasting peace. This is an amazing act of strength. And now, obviously, the president probably will turn his attention to getting a final resolution on the struggle between Ukraine and Russia, which is, you know, that's the kind of the last, the biggest hurdle yet to be resolved. So I think. I think the President is on a roll here that is really quite extraordinary. He is. He is. He's demonstrated that he completely understands what President Theodore Roosevelt said when he said, speak softly and carry a big stick. He's projecting American strength as opposed to deploying American troops abroad.
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1 Roger, that's specifically it. So President Trump has shown that you can use economic power, diplomatic power, and the cultural power, his own cultural power, as well as his role as the President of the United States, the man in the bully pulpit, to be able to bring these disparate groups together and use this true diplomacy without the need for going to conquest the way the neocons would have, or by becoming subservient to these transnational organizations and international superstructures like the UN or the World Economic Forum, the way that the. The neoliberals, the Biden Obama era, would have us do instead. What President Trump, and I think you can see that specifically in those meetings there in Israel, but particularly in Egypt, where he's meeting with the world leaders. And it seems that each of them has some personal statement that they want to make with him as they're meeting with him. They're received very warmly. And I think you can really tell that this is a man who clearly has relationships with all of them, that he's built with all of them. And that's because, Roger, he spends so much time, specifically when he's on Air Force One, making phone calls to these world leaders and building those relationships. Roger, I think a lot of people, they're asking us, does the President ever sleep?
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No. It's really his. His energy level is really something to behold. Now, he was always nocturnal. He never. I've known him 50 years. He never slept for long periods of time. But now he's keeping up this superhuman physical schedule, rushing back from this very important announcement and the release of the hostages and his visit to the Knesset for Charlie Kirk's memorial and to give him the Medal of Freedom, which I very strongly support. I'm still in shock about the vicious political murder of our ally and brother, Charlie Kirk. But he shows that he keeps his word. His energy level is extraordinary. And by the way, not only do I think he not sleep, he doesn't like when Others do, because he will sometimes call you at 2:00 clock in the morning and say, you weren't sleeping, were you? Not me.
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No, never, Mr. President. Absolutely not. And I actually remember just an anecdote that I've shared before when we were on that trip to Anchorage for the meeting with Putin. We fly all the way back from Anchorage, we're on the tarmac at Andrews Air Force Base and we're waiting to be, to be let off. And typically those movements are pretty quick. But then we see the Secret Service sit down, say we've been traveling all day. What's the Secret Service sitting down for? Those guys obviously know something is up. Then Caroline Levitt comes back to where we're sitting and says, sorry, folks, we're going to be a few more minutes. The President is on the phone. It's two in the morning and he's still on the phone with world leaders and he doesn't want to have to hang up and reconnect. So we're going to wait here until the phone call is done. Roger. We sat there for another 45 minutes because he just couldn't stop working.
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Well, look, he was the most successful developer in Manhattan real estate for a reason. He's a deal maker. And he, he can be very charming when he needs to be. He can be very tough when he needs to be. And he has, as you know, Jack, he has that great quality which is a great asset in the conduct of foreign affairs. Unpredictability. So. And when he threatens to use American power at extreme level, shall we say, his adversaries don't know whether he would do it or not. But as he's told me, there's a 10% chance that I would, that I would attack Peking, for example, or Moscow. They cross me then that's enough to keep them wandering and keep us at peace. So he understands the whole unpredictability. Nixon used this very successfully in the Vietnam conflict, sending Henry Kissinger to the peace tables in Paris to say, Nixon's a right wing Republican lunatic with his finger on the button. If you guys don't give us a deal, he could just nuke the whole lot of you. It was pretty, it was what Nixon called his.
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That's exactly right. Roger. Roger, we're coming up on a break. I understand you have to run. Thank you for your time today. I know we grabbed you on short notice. Where can people go to follow you and get access to all, everything you're putting out?
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Then go to stone zone.com stone zone.com my, my hot substack@stone cold truth.com and then on the radio every day, 8:00pm Eastern, WABC radio.com the Stone Zone. That's it. WABC radio.com 8:00pm Eastern five nights a week. Thanks, Jack.
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Thank you, Roger. Historic day. Right back, Human Events Daily, Real America Sports.
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Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you brake job. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news.
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And the bad, but we have guys.
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And these are the guys should be getting politic.
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All right, Jack Paso, look, we're back live here. Human Events Daily. We're looking at live shots out of the Middle east right now. We're also going through this, this incredible, incredible situation. President Trump securing a historic peace deal, an end to the war in Gaza, the return of the hostages and normalization hopefully for the region. I want to bring on now Human Events opinion editor Kenny Cody because Kenny, you've been tracking some of the response to these events from President Trump's critics and detractors and others. What are they saying about this, Kenny? Certainly this is something that's just an objective and absolute good that everyone has to at least give the president credit for, right?
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Well, the fact that they've been campaigning on peace in the Middle east, how we need to free Palestine, we need to do all this stuff. And during this foreign policy, they can't even give Trump the proper credit he deserves. We've got people like Elizabeth Warren, Abigail Spamberger, who's running for governor of Virginia. We've got Nancy Pelosi, Ron Wyden, they're all saying how great this peace deal is, how great it is for our world. We've got Israel saying blessed be the peacemaker that is Donald Trump. Congressional Democrats in our own country who have been using this war to placate and try to morally grandstand on the American people and calling us murderers, calling us advocates for genocide have been using this war to politically prosper. Now this war is over. They can't even give proper credit to Donald Trump. They'll acknowledge that there is peace. They'll acknowledge how great this peace deal is, how historical that this moment is in our world. But they refuse to say President Trump's name. They refuse to give credit to the Trump administration. And I've got just a three word word answer or a three word request. Say his name, say President Trump's name. I want these congressional Democrats who have been using this war to fundraise, they've been using this war for their political campaigns. Get on social media, get on television and say, thank you, President Trump. Just say his name. Say any Trump administration officials name or the president himself's name when you're talking about this peace deal. Because he brokered it. He's the one who stayed up all those countless hours, all those countless minutes, all of those sleepless nights advocating for this peace deal to be had. All you have to do is say his name. Not challenge Democrats. I challenge the left. Get on social media, get on television and get in your emails and say, thank you, President Trump. Just say his name. That's all we're asking.
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Well, it's really amazing, right? And this is something where, of course, the polarization that we've been talking about for the last couple of weeks really comes to play here, because you've got something where President Trump is able to come in and this was something, Kenny, that he directly campaigned on. He said, I will end these wars without putting American troops in harm's way. And he's done it. He's done exactly that which he campaigned for. He said, I'm not gonna need to put American troops in harm's way. I'm not going to need to deploy soldiers and airmen and all of this. He said, I'm going to end the situation in Gaza, which was one of the biggest ones. Now, obviously, also Ukraine, Russia is out there. But the fact that they won't even say his name, they'll say it's a great thing that it happened, it's an incredible thing that it happened, but they won't name the man who did it. I think it's just something that's going to fall in deaf ears. Honestly, I think this is so big and so historic and President Trump being front and center in all of it, you've got people cheering his name in Tel Aviv. I don't think they're going to be able to win this one man.
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No, I don't either. I mean, when you have Western leaders who are giving him credit, the people in Israel, all those in the Middle east that are saying, thank you, Donald Trump, for being the peacemaker in this situation, if the entire Western world and even some of the Eastern world are going to give him credit, I think the Palestinian prime minister actually got in a press conference a few minutes ago or about an hour ago and nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize. If you're having these people who are giving credit to President Trump and asking him literally to get the award on earth that is given to the most peaceful person, even though the committee is corrupt and will never give it to him in his lifetime. If you're having these people get on there and say he deserves credit, you're having newspapers who have his face on the front calling him bless the peacemaker, like the Jerusalem Post did today. You're going, they're going to be forgotten. These Democrats are going to be forgotten as just petty little babies that will not give credit where credit is due to the peacemaker that is Donald Trump. And this is exactly what he, he deserves. He deserves the acclaim he deserves. And also at the same time, Democrats deserve to be kind of exposed in this regard. I'm actually glad this has happened. I don't really want the acknowledgment from the Democrats because all this does is let them be known as the divisive people that they, that they are embracing violence, they're embracing war, they're embracing this division, and they're slowly becoming, they're quick, very quickly becoming the party of violence, becoming the party of war. And now they're gonna be the party of pettiness, since they can't even give credit to the man that has made this happen, the administration that has made this happen. Biden couldn't do it. Obama couldn't do it. No president of the last few decades could have peace in the Middle east like Trump has got to be to the start of this phase one, to the rest of these phases to fall into place. And for every country in the western world to give Donald Trump credit for the peace that he has brought to the Middle East. The fact that the Democrats in his own country cannot give him the credit and his enemies overseas are giving him credit is mind blowing. But it should be no spoil to us. Be noticeable to the American people and be noticeable to voters when they go to the ballot box next November.
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That's such a good point, Kenny. Cody, the idea that you have foreign leaders in parts of the world that are no friend of the United States are giving President Trump the credit for this, but his own countrymen, his own fellow countrymen in the political opposition simply won't admit it. It's, it's, it's really fantastic. Kenny, while I have you, I did want to also ask about something I said earlier today that I think is important, and I think you'll agree with me that. But I want to get your thoughts on it. That one thing that I'd like to hear more of. And of course, this is the phase one part of the deal. So there's different phases that Come in. I want to see protections, and this is on a personal level, and any deal that comes out, I want to see protections for the Christian population in these areas. That's something that's very important to me, and I think it's very important to a lot of Americans. And look, I'm not saying it has to be US Troops on the ground, but we know that there were a lot of Christians that were affected by this war. We know that there were churches that were hit. We know there was damage that was done to a lot of these areas. There were Christians who died in some of these bombings. It just has to be said. And Kenny, do you think that we're going to get that level of protection for Christians in any part of this?
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I think at some point we will. You know, like you said, we're just in phase one. I think Trump, more than any president of our lifetimes is protecting the Christian religion. He's protecting Christians around the world. And we're seeing it happen in so many countries. I mean, you look at Nigeria, there's literally a genocide in Nigeria going on of the Christian population. You're having it in so many countries. The Christians are being eliminated and Christians have been killed in the crossfire and directly within these bombings between these two countries, between these two entities. And if we're able to see Christians prioritized in so many of these countries because they're either targeted or they're forgotten about in a lot of these foreign conflicts, especially in the Middle east and overseas. So I do want to see some guarantees. And I think if any president can do it, if any administration can come and realize that there is a genocide of Christians, there is an attack on the Christian religion, not just in the United States, not just in the Middle east, but all over the world. And like I said, in countries like Nigeria, there should be inherent policies, inherent provisions and inherent protections for Christians in any peace deal that the United States has with any four countries. If we're going to come in and broker these peace deals, we're going to find peace in the Middle East. We're going to find peace in the Ukrainian Russian war. If we're going to broker this, if we're going to be the peacemakers within these foreign conflicts and be the mediators, there should be protections for Christians because oftentimes they are in the country crossfire and they're directly attacked, whether that be, you know, like you said, some entity stepping in, some funding, whatever that might be. Like you said, we don't necessarily want US Troops on the Ground, but there should be some provision, some agreement that if we come to this peace deal, we agree to mediate, we agree to be the mediator between two or more entities. There should be protective, inherent protections for Christians within these peace deals. And I 100% agree with that, Jack.
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Incredible. And Kenny, when, when we look at it, too, look, I, people have to understand that, you know, we look at this with clear eyes. We understand this is the Middle East. We understand that these conflicts go back thousands of years, as the president has stated. And in many ways, you know, this, this perhaps will be a lull, but hopefully it is a way that a structure can be put in place whereby in the president, and you see this as President Trump's ability as a businessman to understand that when there are economic interests, when there are business interests that are able to be brought to the fore, that this is something that it truly can be win, win for everyone out there. I don't know, maybe. Maybe we need a new, we need a new book when President Trump is out of office. Call it the the Art of the Peace Deal. The Art of the Peace Deal.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that's what makes Trump so great at this, is that he considers all these aspects. He doesn't necessarily concentrate on solely the war aspect, the economic aspect, the foreign relations, the trade aspects. He considers every single impact that could be had either by this war continuing and then you look at the harms or you look at a peace deal and look at the benefits in a cost benefit analysis. He takes that approach to every single thing that he does, and that's what makes him so good at these foreign relations. And if there is one thing that President Trump is good at that he has carried over from his first administration is being good at these foreign relations, being good at being a mediator and being good at making the peacemaker as he has been the last few months and this week, especially.
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Kenny Cody, go give him a follow over@humanvents.com, we're right back. Final segment here, Real America's Voice.
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Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it.
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Go get it.
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And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around.
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And make our country great again.
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Amen. All right, Jack Pacific, we are back live on this historic day here in the United States. But we're also covering what's happening across the world, the Middle east, that region and beyond. We're joined by former DoD official Dan Caldwell to go through some of these not only historic scenes, but also an understanding of where perhaps we may be moving forward. Dan, thanks so much for joining us today.
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Jack, thanks for having me on. And by the way, happy birthday, United States Navy.
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That's right. That's right. Hoo ya Navy. From, from a, from a Marine Corps buddy there. Happy 250 to Marines, by the way, here Camp Pendleton is going to be an incredible, absolutely incredible performance there. And I believe the vice President is going to be leading it. So the highest ranking that we've ever seen. The, you know, the scenes that we're seeing out of the Middle east today, you know, there were, there was talk over the summer of a wider regional conflict. There was talk of Israel, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, completely embroiling the region into a much wider war. And here we are just a few months later, three, four months later with news of a massive peace deal. It seems that those who wanted the wider war have really been kind of pushed into a corner. What do you think is going on there, Dan?
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that, that there was a collective recognition in the United States, in the region, particularly among the more moderate Gulf Arab states and, you know, elements of the Israeli government that recognize that a broader regional war would be disastrous. And what we were talking about is really a war that probably would have led to multiple failed states, whether it was Syria once again lapsing back into civil war, whether it was potentially Lebanon and things are still kind of tenuous there, going back in the civil war because of efforts to disarm Hezbollah or potentially the Israelis trying to stay in the country and then attacks on countries like Qatar. Is that, that really was a enormous risk to not just our partners in the region, whether they're the Gulf Arab countries or Israel, but also the United States, because that would suck us back in. And so that's why I think that, that this deal was so important. There's so many reasons why this is important. But it did take us back from the precipice of something that would have been really bad, not just for the region, but for the United States. And I think, you know, look, I'm somebody just like you who's advocated that we need to retrench more from the Middle east. Doesn't mean we completely pull back, but that we shouldn't be as involved there. But I think that, that if, if that happened with 40,000American troops in the region, it would have been inevitable that we would have gotten sucked back into another major war. So again, that, that is Something we shouldn't ignore here is that this pulls us back from the brink of yet another generation of our friends and their families suffering in that region.
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Well, that's exactly right. And there were people who, and I remember this, that you go back to the summer timeframe and there were people who were saying that President Trump needs to go all the way in. And this is after that Operation Midnight Hammer, people were saying he needs to go all the way in, go deeper, full on regime change in Tehran, which of course would have spiraled all the way out of control. It would have required not only the use of those CENTCOM forces you mentioned, but probably the call up of many, many more, the same way that we saw in Iraq. And of course, Iran is a country that's several magnitudes larger than Iraq. And so you had National Guard troops that were being called up in Iraq for what, 22 month deployments. All of a sudden these guys who thought that they were just weekend warriors, suddenly you got a tank unit that's out there, you know, barreling towards Ramadi and, and people really kind of asking the question, you know, 20 years later, was it worth it? Was it worth all the blood and treasure? Now you're looking at Iran, which is a much larger piece. Now that being said though, Dan, Iran, of course, notably quiet, I would say, over the past 48 hours. In terms of all this, how do you think the view in Tehran is looking at all of these scenes play out?
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Well, so it's important that, and I know you know this, that you know, not all these countries are unitary entities is that they have factions. And within Iran, you know, there's hard line factions, there's more reform, moderate faction. There's not, you know, like a faction of Jethronian democrats, but they're not united in their, what they believe should be the foreign policy of Iran. But it is, you're right to note they're very muted. And in fact, I do think there were some members of the Iranian government that made positive statements. Is that in their mind they, they want to have better relations with certain states in the region, particularly the Gulf Arabs. And they don't want to be seen doing things that would cause problems for those countries and therefore once again put distance between them. Is that that's something that really started to happen during the Biden administration, is that Iran was repaired its relationships with Saudi Arabia and the Emirates. And they saw that Saudi Arabia and other countries in the region were supportive in wanting this to happen and they didn't want to see be seen undermining it is that in a lot of ways it's of their interest as well too for this to happen. I would note, and I think it was a mistake for the Iranians not to go, the Iranians were invited to Sharm El Sheikh is that there are a lot of people in the region that do want to bring them to the table. And President Trump has talked about this and try and work out a deal where not everybody's going to be best friends. But Iran is less of a malign influence in the region and it's not causing some of the problems that we've seen them, seen them do over the past couple of decades. That doesn't mean that we delude ourselves into thinking they're going to be our friends or that they're going to be a democracy. You know, President Trump certainly doesn't believe that he used military force against them. He killed Soleimani in the first, in the first term. But it recognizes that to your point, it is not our interest to have a regime change war, which as you were getting at it really would turn into a civil war, is that it would turn into a massive failed state that would create problems all over the region, not just in the Persian Gulf, but in South Asia and up into the Caucasus regions most likely as well too. It borders Turkey. It would be a disaster for us. So the alternative is, is dealing with Iran and some of these improving relations that they have with other countries in the regions isn't necessarily a bad thing. And again, that's why President Trump several times over the last 24 hours has talked about trying to do a deal with Iran now that we've struck their military side.
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Well, that's exactly right. And of course that will be I think and as we've said, this is phase one of the deal and we know that President Trump is looking towards his relations towards Iran quite strongly. And I'm going to soon to say it. I'll put my chips in. I think we see a sit down between President Trump and the leaders of Iran before he leaves office. I think that's something that's going to happen. I don't know if he's going to go all the way to Tehran or they'll find some middle place, middle ground, maybe Qatar itself, by the way, or Egypt like this. But I think I would say that the path is now open for a meeting between the United States and Iran. Our political leadership, President Trump and the leaders of Iran, maybe not the ayatollah, but certainly the political leader and a potential real opening of those relations there that we just haven't seen since. We haven't seen since the days of the Islamic revolution. Last word to you, Dan Galwell.
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Yeah, I would just say a famous neoconservative at during the Iraq war said, amateurs go to Baghdad. Real men go to Tehran. Of course, they were talking about war, but as a peacemaker, real men go to Tehran. And I think President Trump is the person to do it.
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I totally forgot about that quote, but you're right. That's exactly right. That's what I'm saying. Real men go to Tehran. Dan Caldwell, where can people go to follow you and get everything you're putting.
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Out on X at Dan D. Caldwell? That's the best place to follow me. Get my musings on various things from Metallica to world events.
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All right, Metallica DNR joint tour potentially rumored for next next year. We'll see. Axl Rose sounds like he's, sounds like he's got the pipes back, man. I saw some, some videos recently that sounded pretty good. So we'll see. We will see Metallica opening for Guns N Roses. First time in, I think, 40 years. Dan Cold thank you so much, man. Look, folks, today is a historic day. Many of us spent hours, years working towards this. All I got to say is I said earlier, just in the back of my mind, I'm think, keep thinking about it. Charlie would have loved to see this. And I think somewhere, somehow, he's looking down and smiling right now. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore. This is an iHeart podcast.