Human Events with Jack Posobiec, October 17th, 2025

Summary

HUMAN EVENTS WITH JACK POSOBIEC – October 17, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Jack Posobiec
Guests: Senator Marsha Blackburn, Stephen Gardner
Episode Theme:
A deep-dive discussion on the current state of American politics and society, including claims of government overreach and political weaponization, shifting demographics and cultural transformation, ongoing crime intervention efforts, and an in-depth analysis into the investigation of Charlie Kirk's murder, with extensive forensic commentary from investigative journalist Stephen Gardner.

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OVERVIEW

This episode of Human Events with Jack Posobiec focuses on several converging themes:

• The alleged resurgence of "patriot" influence in U.S. law and culture
• Claims of political weaponization by federal agencies against conservative figures
• Rising concerns about demographic and cultural shifts in major U.S. cities
• The progress and challenges in the aftermath of the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk, with an investigation update from Stephen Gardner
• The "America First" agenda, law and order, and crime intervention efforts, especially in Memphis, Tennessee, with Senator Marsha Blackburn

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1. POLITICAL LANDSCAPE, LEGAL FRONTS, AND DEMOGRAPHIC SHIFTS

(01:18 – 08:14)

Key Points:

• Jack Posobiec frames the current moment as an era where "Patriots are winning" and taking the offensive in political and legal arenas, suggesting a “Patriot surge.”
• He comments on the coming elections and the need for concerted conservative action.
• Discussion of demographic change, referencing New York City debates and the growing Muslim population, suggesting a shift in cultural and political questions.

Notable Quote:

“Demographics is destiny... how is it possible that on a New York City debate stage, we get a question, ‘Why didn't you go to mosques as governor?’ ...Because the growth of the Muslim population... has gotten to the point where Muslims in New York City now constitute a very serious voting demographic.”
— Jack Posobiec (05:08)

• Posobiec draws a parallel to London, asserting, "London is becoming Islamic," warning that the U.S. might follow a similar path.

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2. SENATOR MARSHA BLACKBURN ON GOVERNMENT WEAPONIZATION & LAW AND ORDER

(09:28 – 30:24)

Surveillance and DOJ Weaponization

• Senator Blackburn discusses her experiences with alleged surveillance by federal authorities, particularly Jack Smith and the DOJ, after her support for President Trump and skepticism about the 2020 election.
• She claims her (and colleagues') phone records were subpoenaed, and an investigation into Jack Smith’s conduct is ongoing.

Notable Quotes:

“What we know is this, that the FBI under Joe Biden and under Barack Obama, that they exercised activity that they had no authority to exercise… they surveil us, people who support President Trump, members who are all Republicans…”
— Senator Marsha Blackburn (13:58)

“...for a wireless company to give your records over as—and this is not something—we’re not criminals… It shows you how weaponized the CR15 unit that Jack Smith used as he investigated President Trump, how they were so politicized.”
— Senator Marsha Blackburn (15:19)

Calls for Accountability

• Blackburn has filed formal complaints and is rallying for Jack Smith’s disbarment and thorough investigation.
• Posobiec and Blackburn stress the need for "one standard of justice" for all Americans.

Notable Quote:

“If they are doing this to eight sitting US Senators, think of what they’re doing to other conservatives…The common thread... we each have supported President Donald Trump, and we each had valid concerns about the 2020 elections.”
— Senator Marsha Blackburn (18:49)

Memphis Crime Crackdown & Governorship Run

• Blackburn details a multi-agency crackdown on gangs in Memphis, recent successes, and credits national and local cooperation alongside federal support.
• Posobiec congratulates Blackburn on her run for Governor of Tennessee, discussing the importance of restoring law and order and returning authority to the states.

Notable Quote:

"We want to do is make Memphis safe again…they have taken over 1,000 of these gangs members off the streets… found 44 missing children... what we're doing is making Memphis safe again."
— Senator Marsha Blackburn (25:45)

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3. THE CHARLIE KIRK MURDER INVESTIGATION – STEPHEN GARDNER REPORTS

(33:41 – 53:19)

On-the-Ground Reporting

• Stephen Gardner shares findings from his direct investigation at Utah Valley University, with a focus on the forensics of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
• Details include fingerprint evidence, dust patterns, and location of the shooter.

Key Evidence Summarized:

• Fingerprints & Handprints:
  • Gardner describes seeing “scrapes in the dust” where suspect Tyler Robinson jumped from the roof (36-40 inches in length, consistent with a rifle).
  • FBI measured these marks; forensic evidence aligns with video footage of the escape route.
• Cell Phone Geofencing Data:
  • Forensic geolocation by cell phone will clarify Robinson’s movements before, during, and after the crime—including whether he cased the campus prior.
  • This method is compared to other high-profile cases (Brian Kohberger, January 6th) where digital tracking was pivotal.

Notable Quotes:

“What it looks like is, everyone's seen the famous FBI footage where Tyler Robinson is running across the LOSI building… you can see scrapes in the dust… about the length of the barrel of a 30-06 rifle…”
— Stephen Gardner (35:39)

“That GEO tracking, that GEO fencing, it's going to tell us where his phone was at all times on that day.”
— Stephen Gardner (47:57)

• Audio Forensics & Site Topography:
  • Sound triangulation was used (sound "rings"), pinpointing the shot to the LOSI building.
  • Gardner emphasizes the importance of visiting the scene to understand topography and shooting angles—ambiguous from Google Maps aerial views.
• Corroboration of FBI Narrative:
  • Despite skepticism about federal agencies post-January 6, Gardner’s findings so far match with the official account.
• Open Questions and Transparency:
  • Gardner makes clear the need for full accountability and transparency, forensics to “match up” with the story, and that the right suspect is on trial.

Notable Quotes:

“I want to make sure that if Tyler Robinson is, in fact, the person that jumped off that roof, that… the handprint that they say they have, the screwdriver, the gun, the bullet, all of that matches up because Charlie Kirk deserves justice, and the American people deserve the truth.”
— Stephen Gardner (36:29)

“You could run the distance in just a couple of seconds. It's a quick sprint would get you from one side to another. There's sometimes just videos and Google map and satellites… when you physically go there for yourself …it's much smaller.”
— Jack Posobiec (51:29)

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4. SELECTED MEMORABLE MOMENTS & QUOTES

• "Christ is king." — Jack Posobiec’s recurring assertion of faith (01:33)
• “Bringing back that love of God, family, country… so that future generations have those opportunities, have hope for better days, and that we keep this great American experiment in freedom going.”
  — Senator Marsha Blackburn (11:27)
• “I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this… I'm really good at asking questions, and I wanted to bring that truth to my audience.”
  — Stephen Gardner (39:14)

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5. IMPORTANT TIMESTAMPS

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |---|---|---| | Start | Show intro and headlines | 01:18 | | Politics/Demographics | Posobiec on elections, demographic change | 03:30–08:14 | | Interview | Senator Marsha Blackburn joins | 09:59 | | Surveillance/DOJ | FBI/DOJ “weaponization” claims | 13:58–20:22 | | Crime in Memphis | Blackburn on gang crackdown and governorship | 25:45–30:24 | | Murder investigation | Stephen Gardner detailed forensic analysis | 33:41–53:19 | | Forensic discussion | Physical evidence and cell tracking | 34:19, 45:22, 48:13 | | Conclusion | Gardner’s call for truth | 53:12 |

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SUMMARY

In this high-intensity episode, Jack Posobiec positions “patriots” as resurgent in the face of what he and his guests describe as deep government politicization and cultural change. Senator Marsha Blackburn shares personal experiences of alleged surveillance and underscores her support for law and order and states’ rights, pledging to continue as a gubernatorial candidate in Tennessee. The most extensive segment features Stephen Gardner, who gives a granular forensic update on the Charlie Kirk murder case, expressing cautious trust in the accumulating evidence but stressing the need for transparency and due process.

Tone: Forthright, combative, investigative, and at times conspiratorial—determined to challenge mainstream and official narratives.

Recommended For:
Anyone wanting to understand conservative perspectives on government overreach, cultural change, and current high-profile investigations, or to get a detailed forensic breakdown of the Charlie Kirk murder case.

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For more information, see Stephen Gardner's YouTube channel and follow Human Events for ongoing coverage.

Transcript

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Jack Posobiec]

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[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Former Navy intelligence veteran.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic. Christ is king.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Good morning. The US Military has launched what appears to be a sixth airstrike on a suspected drug boat in the Caribbean. And unlike previous attacks we've seen this time an official says the there were survivors among the crew that were targeted. No word overnight how many people may have been killed, but meanwhile, tensions in the region are escalating. President Trump has authorized CIA operations in Venezuela and is considering ground strikes.

[Jack Posobiec]

This morning, President Trump's former national security adviser, John Bolton is speaking out after being charged with 18 counts of retention and transmission of national defense information. I think he's, you know, a bad person. I think he's a bad guy, yeah. Bolton is accused of sharing more than 1,000 pages of information about government activities.

[Stephen Gardner]

The indictment claims he used a personal.

[Jack Posobiec]

Email account to share notes about his day to day activities with his wife and daughter, neither of whom has proper security clearance. The notes allegedly included information labeled top secret. The indictment claims the emails were later hacked by someone associated with the Iranian government. On Thursday, U.S. immigration and Customs Enforcement announced the arrest of Raduli Badovich, who they say is an immigrant from Montenegro and working as a sworn police officer.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

With the Hanover Park Police Department.

[Jack Posobiec]

According to the Department of Homeland Security. The officer is accused of being in the country illegally after his tourist visa expired in 2015. According to state records, Bajovich has been with the police department since January and was certified by the Illinois Law Enforcement Training and Standards Board in August.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Just announced a second summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin to try to negotiate peace in Ukraine. He says that it will happen in Budapest. No date yet on this.

[Stephen Gardner]

President Trump will host Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky at the White House to discuss.

[Jack Posobiec]

The ongoing war with Russia. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. We are here live in Washington, D.C. and folks, you go and look at everything that's happening today. You look at everything that's happening in our country, and we do have to take a step back. Patriots are winning. Today is October 2025, and the Patriot surge is on whether you look at what's happening in the legal field. On the legal front, we look what's happening with ice, we look what's happening with immigration. All of this comes together to show very clearly Patriots are on the offense. And it wasn't always like this. In fact, it hasn't been like this for some time. Typically, what you'll do is you'll see Republicans responding to evidence, you'll see Republicans responding to narratives, stories, all sorts of stuff. But instead, they won't actually be fighting back. They won't actually be doing anything. They won't actually be running the narrative. They won't actually be pushing back. Now it's time. Now it's 100% time. Because here's the situation, folks. We only have a little bit of time left. The Elections are in 18 days this year. So when we're looking at the statewide elections in New Jersey, the statewide elections in Virginia, then we're also looking at the elections in a number of other states. New York City, by the way, where they just had that debate between Mamdani, they had that debate with Sliwa, the debate with Cuomo. I'm just gonna say it, folks. It looks like Mandami is gonna win. It really looks like this. Demographics is destiny. Demographics, the push for open borders, the push for allowing migrant after migrant to come into our country. We really have to ask ourselves, two and a half decades after 9, 11, how is it possible that on a New York City debate stage, New York City debate stage, we get a question, why didn't you go to mosques as governor? This question was going to Governor Cuomo. And so you really sit there and you think, how is that possible? How is it possible that such A question even gets asked. Well, because the growth of the Muslim population, the growth of the population has gotten to the point where Muslims in New York City now constitute a very serious voting demographic and a demographic, by the way, that the people of New York care about a lot. And so this becomes asked, see, you go back to the 1950s. What did you see in New York City? You saw the three crosses of cavalry displayed across the New York City skyline on Good Friday. That was the character of New York City. That was the character of America. It was Christian. But through open borders, through demographic change, what have we seen? We've now seen the open Christian character of America change. And now America has become a place where there's plurality, where there's multiculturalism, and where the people who live in the. In these vicinities, particularly New York City, have said, you know what? We can. We want to be multiple characters. We want multiple cultures here. So when you hear people like Cuomo, when you hear people like Sliwa referencing the previous culture of New York City, they're referring to old New York, Mandani. That's new New York. And the question is, what do we want? What do we want for America's greatest city? Well, go look over at London. Charlie Kirk was over in London one of his last trips on earth. When he came back from London, what did he say? He said, London is becoming Islamic. Something has changed and London is becoming Islamic. They've let all these Muslims in and suddenly they're changing the character. And guess what, folks? London is just a few years ahead. Where we are, folks. We write back. Senator Marsha Blackburn joins us next. Human Events Daily. Real America's voice.

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[Stephen Gardner]

Nothing will stand in our way.

[Jack Posobiec]

And our golden age has just begun.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

This is Human Events with Jack Posoba.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, Jack Posobic, we're back here. All right, Jack Posobic, we're back here. Live Human Events Daily. We are joined now very honored to have on the program Senator Marsha Blackburn. Senator, thank you so much for joining us.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Delighted to join you. Thank you so much.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and Senator, I appreciate you coming on and also wanted to say, appreciated your kind words after everything that happened with, with our good friend Charlie Kirk just one month ago.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Yes. And I saw you from a distance at the ceremony at the White House on Tuesday. What a wonderful, wonderful event. And so meaningful to have the President set aside this time to remember Charlie, his wonderful work to honor his family and Erica and for the nation to be able to stand and hear those words from the president, from her, and to honor Charlie's commitment to freedom in this country.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I appreciate that as well. And that's right. There were so many people I wasn't able really to get everyone, you know, have a chance to say hi to everyone. But I appreciated you being there and I know Charlie would have appreciated you being there because so many of the values that you fight for, some of the things that you stand for and unabashedly stand for, not only in your state, but in our country, are the very same things that Charlie fought for. And it really boils down to those, you know, those three classics, God, family, country.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Well, you're so right about that. And it was an honor for me to attend Turning Point events and to speak and to encourage others. And it was thrilling for me to know that my grandsons now, who are teenagers, are such fans of Turning Point and followed so closely what Charlie had to say and bringing back that love of God, family, country, bringing back that optimism for hope and opportunity for all Americans. Indeed, he was doing that and helping our nation to get back on track and to actually have a Turning Point where we look at those that constitutional, underpinning those founding ideals and recommit ourselves to making certain that we do have a country that is firmly planted on faith, family, freedom, and I add hope and opportunity to that. So that future generations have those opportunities, have hope for better days, and that we keep this great American experiment in freedom going.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I think it's exactly right. And by the way, I wanted to just play a quick video here because unfortunately, there's been some threats, not only to Charlie and what happened to Charlie, but even to you yourself, Senator. Guys, let's go back to that clip of Senator Blackburn. All right, Guys, do we have that? Although they're pulling it up right now, Senator. But really, this is something that I think applies to you, applies to a number of senators, where it came in on Jack Smith and this question about how our federal government was weaponized to take out so many people. And of course, we talked about the weaponization against President Trump, we talked about the weaponization against many Trump supporters, but we had no idea that this was going to be used against sitting US Senators as well. Guys, do we have that clip?

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

What we know is this, that the FBI under Joe Biden and under Barack Obama, that they exercised activity that they had no authority to exercise. And as Senator Haggerty mentioned, we know what they did in 2016 to the Trump transition team. And now we find out that after the Mar A Lago raid, after the indictment of President Trump, they surveil us, people who support President Trump members who are all Republicans. But it shows you how out of control and rotten to the core and politicized the FBI had become and how they had absolutely no problem at all whatsoever with political weaponization. We appreciate the information we've gotten today. We look forward to further investigation on this.

[Jack Posobiec]

Senator, that was your words just a few days ago. Walk us through. What have you learned since then about this targeting of you personally by Jack Smith?

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Yes. And, Jack, it wasn't the first time in 2016 when I vice chaired President Trump's transition. We found out then that the transition team was being spied on, but the Biden did. DOJ would never give us any specifics about that. Now, what we did find out was that they spied on us after January 4th to January 7th of 2021, the way they did that in May of 23. They sent a letter to our wireless carriers and, and demanded they had a subpoena and demanded our phone records, everybody we talked to, where we were physically located, when we either made or received a call, and every call and every number that came into us or went out from our phone during that period of time. Now, we also are looking at September. It appears that there's the May date and there's also a September date. And in addition to this, I have sent a letter to the DC Bar regarding Jack Smith and his conduct and calling for a review by the DC Bar filed a complaint with them. In addition, five of my colleagues joined me on a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi required requesting that DOJ begin an investigation into the conduct of Jack Smith. And of course he should be disbarred. The, the groundwork we are laying are, are things that would call for his disbarment. And what we know is this is not only an invasion of privacy and an infringement of our free speech, but it is also an infringement of the speech and debate clause for a wireless company to give your records over as and this is not something we're not criminals. We are not people that were a flight risk, any of that. What they did was to turn those records over and it shows you how weaponized the CR15 unit that Jack Smith used as he investigated President Trump. How, how they were so politicized and thank goodness Cash Patel has fire everybody that was affiliated with that unit.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I think that's, that's absolutely fantastic that Cash Patel is finally fighting back. And finally, and Senator, when it really comes down to it, it's, you know, these people who say, oh, there's, there's, you know, President Trump is playing politics with, with the Justice Department. And I think it's actually the opposite. I think what AG Bondi, what the US Prosecutors, and by the way, these are grand juries that have come out, whether it be Bolton, whether it be Comey, whether it be Letitia James, these other cases, these are grand juries that have come out and filed the charges. But what we're talking about here is having one standard of justice for everyone. Isn't it just that simple?

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

It is indeed. And I am so pleased that that is one of the tenets that AG Bondi is working from every day, one standard of justice. And as she has come before us at Judiciary Committee, continues to make that point. And Jack, here is the thing, rooting out these individuals that chose to weaponize the federal government against citizens. And bear in mind, if they are doing this to eight sitting US Senators, think of what they're doing to other conservatives. Indeed, we know that of the 92 organizations that they were looking at, Turning Point was one of those organizations, the Republicans Republican State Attorneys General association was another of the organizations they were looking at. And as we look at what happened to the eight senators, the commonality there, and bear in mind we still do not have the predicate of why what we do know is the eight of us each are Republican, we each are have supported President Donald Trump, and we each had valid concerns about the 2020 elections. So that is the common thread for each of us that were placed under FBI surveillance.

[Jack Posobiec]

And of course, this is the thread that we saw for every single one of his prosecutions, every single one of his targets. And it smacks of the political and it obviously does. And I think we all knew this from the very start. Senator, we're coming up on a hard break here. I'd love to hold you over to talk more about this because people, I think out there in the country are finally, finally pleased and getting and relieved to see their country be restored to balance when it comes to an equal set of rules and equal standard on an equal playing field when it comes to the justice system. Right back here. Human Events Daily. Jack Posic, Real America's Voice.

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[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Yes, indeed. And when Cash Patel came before our Judiciary Committee and I visited with him prior to that, I told him, I said, you know, we need some help with Memphis. Here are the crime stats he committed privately and publicly to help me. And he has been true to his word. And AG Bondi and President Trump have Indeed come in and made Memphis a priority. And Jack, what we want to do is make Memphis safe again. It was the most dangerous city per capita in this country. In 2024, Memphis has had over 100 gangs. But now, because of a surge the FBI did from mid July to mid September, and now with 13 federal agencies, plus the Tennessee governor has the FBI, I mean, the TBI, the Tennessee Highway Patrol and the National Guard backing up the Memphis city police. They have taken over 1000 of these gangs members off the streets. They are incarcerated. Some of them are going to federal court. And we have a good U. S. Attorney, Mike Donovan, who is pushing forward with these cases. We have found 44 missing children that were in some way being held or tied up with these gangs. And what we're doing is making Memphis safe again. And quite frankly, we think Memphis can be the model for how you move forward in fighting crime. And President Trump is exactly right on how to do this, to go in to search these resources. He has cleaned up Washington D.C. and he is doing it in Memphis. And the mayor of Memphis is working with us, so is the governor, so is the police department. And I think when you have that kind of broad based cooperation, it is the way to get this crime under control. And I'm certain that the residents of Chicago and New York and Minneapolis and some of these other cities that have gang problems are probably looking at Memphis and saying, hey, we would like to have a safe community like that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm from the Philadelphia area and this is, you know, it's, it. Whenever I look at one of the cities like this, I remember my own just, just, you know, formative years growing up and being able to go to Philadelphia when it was still safe, when it was a great city, there's so many of these great cities that have fallen and sunken into this pit of crime. And so I love the fact that you focused on this in your own state. Memphis. I mean, it's, it's, it's one of America's most quintessentially American towns. You know, big little towns down there. And, and yet you, you don't associate it with it, with this horrific rise of violent crime. And unfortunately, we're starting to see that rise up in Nashville as well and some of the other areas as, as governor, you know, you're still, you still about a year to go, but would you still be continuing to work with President Trump to fight all of these issues?

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Oh, absolutely. And when you look at the fact that blue cities and these Democrat mayors have, in these city councils have been soft on crime and had cashless bail policies. And that makes the communities less safe. But I can assure you, our first responders, our law enforcement, they know I'm going to have their back. President Trump knows that I'm going to be working with him. You know, Jack, one of the things I find absolutely so encouraging, and I know you are a believer in federalism and a reader of the Federalist Papers, and President Trump every single day is sending power, authority, responsibility back to the states and the people. And what an exciting time to lead Tennessee through a reset. As education comes, comes back to the states and health care and energy and benefits and regulation and labor, you look at all of these issues that never should have gone to Washington D.C. in the first place.

[Jack Posobiec]

Reset. Senator Marsha Blackburn, she's running for Tennessee governor. Senator, thank you so much for joining us here at Human Events Daily.

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[Stephen Gardner]

Where's Jack?

[Jack Posobiec]

Where's Jack?

[Stephen Gardner]

Where is he?

[Jack Posobiec]

Jack, I want to see you.

[Stephen Gardner]

Great job, Jack.

[Senator Marsha Blackburn]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

What a job you do.

[Stephen Gardner]

You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the bad, but we have guys. And these are the guys who'd be getting bullishers. All right, folks, we're back here. Human Events Daily. Real America's voice here in on Real America's Voice. And folks, let me tell you something. Cold weather is going to be here before you know it, in fact. And it's really kind of already here. Although it was. It was nice. I was. I was sitting outside today. The sun was out. It was okay. But let me tell you something. It's going to be really cold soon. If the power goes out when it's really cold, you and I got no way to keep ourselves and our families warm. And that's not crazy. You could actually freeze. But you know something? I heard about the Vesta off grid space heater from our friends at my Patriot Supply. It's a space heater that doesn't use electricity. It runs on something called canned heat. Now, that's an indoor safe heater fuel. With a Vesta stashed in my closet in the Poso household closet, I know we can keep warm no matter what. And it doubles as a stove to boil water or cook food, which is actually pretty cool. Now, the best part is you can get a Vesta and a bunch of other free gifts when you order the winter prep special from my Patriot Supply. Just go to my patriotsupply.com jack to see if everything included is right for you and your family. Now, this offer will not last long and neither will the nice fall weather. So go to my patriotsupply.com jack today. That's my patriotsupply.com Jack. All right, folks, I'm very excited to welcome on first time here on Human Events Daily, although I've been on his show a number of times. It's Steven Gardner, the host of the Steven Gardner Show. What's up, man?

[Stephen Gardner]

Hey, Jack. Good to be with you. Thanks for having me on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, you have done some fantastic investigative work on the story of what happened to my good friend, your friend, Charlie Kirk. You actually went to Utah Valley University campus and you did a lot of gumshoe on the ground reporting there in Utah of what happened to Charlie. You took a lot of the, you know, a lot of the different theories and alternate theories out there and you really put them to the test. And I think you did a fantastic video that I want everyone to go watch. And before we get into it, I've got a clip of it that I want to play for everyone right now.

[Stephen Gardner]

Now I'm here at the spot where Tyler Robinson jumps off the roof. I'm here with Gray Hughes investigates. And he's got this camera that is on a big telescope rod. Yes. Extension. And when you put it up there, what did you see?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, when you put it up right where he came down, there's actually four fingerprints that Drag off. And then another spot where maybe there's.

[Stephen Gardner]

A towel or something. Like what?

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, I don't know what else was there. Maybe his foot was still up there. And then another mark as well. So there's three marks in the really thick dust.

[Stephen Gardner]

And it's still there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Still there.

[Stephen Gardner]

Okay.

[Jack Posobiec]

I don't know a reason why they would actually get rid of it.

[Stephen Gardner]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're not gonna wipe it away, right?

[Stephen Gardner]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's strange, though, that.

[Stephen Gardner]

That is strange. Yeah. And then I've got Gary right here from Paramount Tactical. He's just showing his audience the video where they say it's an AI person. I said it's not AI. The path drops off over there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, right, exactly.

[Stephen Gardner]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, Stephen, you're out there. You're looking into all this. These marks on the roof, what are they consistent with? Tell us exactly how you think that fits into the context of what we know and what we've been told about Charlie's murder.

[Stephen Gardner]

Absolutely. So I've been very skeptical with everything that's happened with the FBI. So I'm just trying to use my own brain, my own journalism skills to go and look for cameras, look for evidence clues to try to back up the narrative that we're being told, but also to make sure that I can hold them accountable with truth. What it looks like is everyone's seen the famous FBI footage where Tyler Robinson is running across the LOSI building towards the north. And then he gets down on his legs and he's kind of holding onto the roof, and then he jumps off, and then he heads off into the wooded area. Well, while I was there looking at how to get on the roof, the time it would take, what cameras would have captured stuff, I was speaking with another investigative journalist. And what you see is when he gets down and he's getting ready to jump off the building, there's. You can see scrapes in the dust that are about 36 to 40 inches long, which is about the length of the barrel of a 3006 rifle. You also see a handprint where he's trying to let himself down gradually, and then he ends up jumping off and running into that wooded area. So although I want to trust the FBI and I believe in Cash Patel, you know, the American people were skeptical with, you know, government lies and cover up. I mean, look at January 6th. It took almost five years to find out that there was over 270 FBI agents in plain clothes in the crowd. So I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this. I want to make sure. That if Tyler Robinson is, in fact, the person that jumped off that roof, that the. This handprint that they say they have, the screwdriver, the gun, the bullet, all of that matches up because Charlie Kirk deserves justice, and the American people deserve the truth.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and so. So I want to. I want to make sure that we're. That we're tying this together. So that handprint that is on that roof, does that line up that. That you guys uncovered with that was that. That's that. That he's using, that. That stick camera, does that line up with the video from where we see the individual that they've identified as Tyler Robinson?

[Stephen Gardner]

Yes, and we know that for two reasons. The first time I went out, two weeks after Charlie had passed, the FBI actually had a yellow measuring tape that was taped to the cement wall of the LOSI building. And I believe that they were measuring the hand to the last bit of that. You can also tell there's a split in the window pane just below this frame. When you see him jump off, and you can see that it lines up exactly with where he comes off the building. The other thing you'll notice, Jack, is see that dust? There's no other markings on there. The only place that there were markings up and down all of that guttering system is right where Tyler Robinson jumped off. So when I saw this, I was like, wow, okay, that is a huge piece of evidence. And we were told in the paperwork that was submitted for the legal briefing that they have a palm print, that they have fingerprints on a screwdriver. They're going to have the gun. So then what I started doing, I started working with forensic experts to understand ballistics, to understand how they would use X rays to follow the path of the bullet through Charlie's body, where. Where the bullet was found, how they found the fragments. I'm not an expert in all of this, but I'm really good at asking questions, and I wanted to bring that truth to my audience.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and I think this is important, too, because, look, you know, I want to make sure they got the right guy. And if they got the right guy, I want to make sure that this trial goes forward and everything's done by the book and everything's done properly. And, you know, I've been hosting this show as well as others with, in fact, people like my friend Blake Neff, who was standing just a few feet away from where Charlie was sitting. So in the line of fire of this individual, right where you were on, you know, obviously underneath that roof, and, you know, this. This all has to be done by the book. And that's something that we absolutely all want. Now, there was another piece of information that you mentioned in your video that was the. The sound rings that you were digging into. What was the sound rings?

[Stephen Gardner]

I found another YouTuber who does sound and noise analysis. I can't remember his last name. I believe his first name is Matt. But basically what he did is he took different people's cell phones and the noise, and he was able to create a map. And then the map, when you start running it through AI and different software, it'll start using mathematical formulas to pinpoint where the noise came from. And there were three big rings that went out. And wouldn't you know it? All three. The only time that they cross over is right on the LOSI building, where we know somebody was laying in a prone position with a rifle and took a shot. Now, from everything that I have seen, it looks like it's. It looks like it's the story that the FBI is telling us. So the sound is matching up the direction of the bullet. Sadly, Charlie Kirk takes a tremendous amount of energy from the front. That bullet, you know, destroys his neck, gets lodged in his T1 thoracic vertebrae. But you start lining that up. Now, a couple of big things that were pointed out to me, and I started to pick up on this, and it was nice to have a forensic expert confirm this. But he said to me, next to the gun and the bullet, the most important piece of evidence against Tyler Robinson will be his cell phone data. Cell phones are able to track you to within a couple of inches of where you are. And we know.

[Jack Posobiec]

We Learned this from January 6th. That was the geofencing.

[Stephen Gardner]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

We're coming up on a quick break. Stephen, Give me one second, because I want to dig into this as well. The cell phone, forensic data, sound analysis, bullet analysis, and the fingerprints. Actually finding the fingerprints and handprints, the marks on the low seat building right back. Jack Posic, Real America's voice. Human Events Daily.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it.

[Stephen Gardner]

Go get it.

[Jack Posobiec]

And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

[Stephen Gardner]

And we're going to turn it around.

[Jack Posobiec]

And make our country great again. Amen. All right, Jack Pasopic, we're back here, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. We're talking to Stephen Gardner, the host of the Stephen Gardner Show. He went back to Utah Valley University, the scene of the crime. And we're walking through the evidence, in some cases corroborating the evidence that we've heard regarding the theory and even alternate theories about Charlie Kirk's murder. Stephen Gardner went back to the scene multiple times to track it all down. And the so talked about the gun, talked about the bullet, talked about the palm print and handprints that were found on that roof of the LOSI building, which are consistent actually in the same spot with the video that were shown, this grainy video that were shown of an individual jumping off. Stephen, where we left off before the break. You were telling us, though, about the cell phone tracking, that forensic cell phone tracking geo fencing data. We know the same exact method of tracking individuals was used in January 6th. They were tracking. Did someone go onto the steps? Did they go in? Were they on the lawn? Where were they? Exactly? And we know that investigators using cell phone data can do this. What did you find regarding that data in this case?

[Stephen Gardner]

So we're going to know with great clarity whether Tyler Robinson was in the Orem area, whether the text messages that many of us have questions about, whether those were sent from Orem to Lance Twigg. Was Lance Twigg in southern Utah or was he also in Orem? All of that is going to come out. But the main thing is people are saying, okay, how would he have known based on this weird terrain, not being a student at the school, how would he have known this? Because I don't believe you could have planned this murder from Google Maps. So they're going to know, based on his cell phone pathway, whether he went on the day before, a couple of weeks before. They'll be able to track all of that. Now, I was told from forensic expert, a forensic expert, Joseph Scott, that they're going to be able to track him from 800th street, down through the tunnel, up around the LOSI building, up the stairs, onto the roof. From the roof, out to the roof line, take the shot, jump off the LOSI building, run into the woods. And then I started seeing all of these conspiracy videos that they were able to find him on a little cafe's security system. You can barely see his car, but you can see it. And you had all these conspiracy people saying, how does a guy kill Charlie Kirk? And 20 minutes later he's in his car in a parking lot? That's not consistent with what a murderer would do. Well, you don't know how a murderer thinks, right? He might be sitting in that car, amped up on adrenaline. But how did. How did the cafe owner know that he was caught on his security camera? Because unless somebody breaks in, you don't just go review, you know, 24 hours worth of video footage. It's because the FBI tracked him to that location the next morning. 7:15am, Cedar City Maverick Gas station. How do they know it's him? He swipes a credit card and they follow his phone. They know when he goes home. They know if he goes to visit Lance, when he goes over to his parents, they've got all of it. The phone calls, the texting, everything. So this forensic expert, basically Joseph Scott Morgan, he shared with me that next to the gun, the cell phone data is going to be the thing that ties Tyler Robinson directly to the person on that building. And right now, there's a lot of doubt. Oh, I don't know if I can trust the FBI. Well, that. That GEO tracking, that GEO fencing, it's going to. It's going to tell us where his phone was at all times on that day.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now, there's another piece of this that you mentioned when you were there, and it had to do with the sort of the depth and the scope of the. Of the area, the amphitheater where the building is. You were saying that you mentioned GeoMap, Google Maps a second ago, and that's what made me think of this. You said that where Charlie was sitting was actually much deeper than you realized. And the relative height from where Charlie was to the top of the low C building was a bit higher. Walk us through what you discovered.

[Stephen Gardner]

So the, the video footage that you guys showed with me and Gary from Paramount Tactical below, below us is the hall of Flags. That's where the first cell phone picked up Tyler Robinson running off the roof. Then below that is where Charlie Kirk was sitting in a pop up tent, right? So that is an amphitheater that goes up. And then the LOSI building where he shoots from is three stories higher than that. So he's actually about four stories different, maybe four and a half stories different. And so that bullet is coming down at an angle. He's also off to the side about 10 degrees, so that that bullet is coming in from high to low and from the side where it ends up crashing into his neck. So yes, right here you can see Gary right below us is the hall of Flags where somebody's cell phone catches Tyler Robinson running off, off the roof. So, but until you go to the actual campus, you don't really understand because this particular campus, from, from an aerial point of view on Google Maps, they have these like red square sidewalks and they all seem like they're on the same level, but some of them might be two stories up, some of them might be two stories down. And so that really threw me the first time I went out. I was like, okay, wait a minute, I've been covering this story. I didn't really understand the elevation, climb, I didn't understand the topography of the campus. And so sadly, right where he takes the shot is the very best place to take a shot. You're up and away, you've got a clear line of sight to Charlie Kirk. You've got coverage by the cafeteria building in front of it. And he takes the shot and then runs for his life. But that, that really threw me. The other thing, when you start looking at the, the sound analysis, he's shooting down into a bowl. That's why you're picking up echoes. So some, some people that aren't as sophisticated in their forensic, they say, oh, there, there was probably two shots. Well, no, it's coming down into this amphitheater bowl, it's picking up an echo. It's also passing through the microphone system there. So when you really clean up all of the audio, it's one shot, then the supersonic boom and then boom, it hits. And they were able to show all of that.

[Jack Posobiec]

So those rings are coming from you, the initial sound wave, you know, the sound propagation. But then, but then you also have the secondary and tertiary waves that are hitting off of those other buildings. Into the bowl of the amphitheater. And you can even see it on this video that you put together from that angle. It's a very small, very confined space. In fact, I remember going to, when I did my Butler investigation and visited and I've been to Butler multiple times now and looked at the site where President Trump had his assassination attempted. You realize it's so much smaller than it just looks on camera. It's so much smaller. I mean, you could, you could run the distance in just a couple of seconds. It's a quick sprint. Would get you from one side to another. And there's sometimes just videos and Google map and satellites. And I know that a lot of, like, you know, investigators and researchers go off of that, but when you physically go there for yourself, you just, you see how, how those angles can play tricks on you. And it. And it's much smaller. By the way, I just wanted to throw out before we run out of time here, that what you mentioned about the cell phone tracking data, that reminds me a lot of the Brian Kohberger case where and he killed those sorority girls. But that was a key piece of the evidence because they find his fingerprint on the knife sheath and then what do they have? They have his cell phone data going back and forth, back and forth past that house, casing it before he went in. Getting the pattern of life. Steven, we are just about out of time. Thank you so much for doing this. I hope you continue. Tell everyone where to go to get your video and access to everything you're putting out.

[Stephen Gardner]

If you look up Stephen Gardner on YouTube, you will see this face. And I appreciate the opportunity to come on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Stephen Gardner on YouTube. Yes, you will see see that face. And if you can, if you can stand it, if you can stand watching it, you will be able to get some really incredible information. God bless you, man, for doing this and I appreciate it a lot as I know there's been so many, so many questions about this and everything else. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short.

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[Jack Posobiec]

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