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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Jack Posobic
This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation and.
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Narrator/Reporter
Former Navy intelligence veteran, this is Human.
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Paula Scanlon
Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Narrator/Reporter
Christ is growing anxiety across America as the government shutdown stretches into its fourth week. Officials warning 42 million Americans could lose their food stamp benefits in two weeks. With SNAP on track to run out of funding, the president ramping up pressure on Democrats already freezing billions of dollars in infrastructure projects in blue states and threatening to slash programs the federal appeals.
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Jack Posobic
Court rules the administration can deploy.
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Kristi Noem
The National Guard in Portland, Oregon. This ruling reverses a lower court ruling that had blocked the deployment to Oregon. DHS Secretary Kristi Noem writing in a statement, quote, another victory for President Trump and the safety and security of the American people. The law, U.S. constitution and supremacy clause back the President's action to protect the public and law enforcement. And today, this ruling has vindicated.
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J.D. Vance
U.S. vice President J.D. vance just arrived in Israel in an effort to strengthen the ceasefire deal. Vance is joining the President's Middle east envoy, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner there. The visit comes after Israel accused Hamas of violating the deal and launched attacks in Gaza over the weekend.
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Steve Witkoff
We are one week into President Trump's historic peace plan in the Middle east and this is a very, very tough situation. You have two peoples, two enemies who have fought a very tough conflict against each other. You have a terrorist organization on one hand that murdered a lot of innocent people. You've got an Israeli army that was defending itself on the other that has learned a lot over the past couple of years. And of course, you have an innocent civilian population in Gaza that's caught in the middle. But we're here at the Civilian Military Cooperation center, which we are announcing the opening of. You have Israelis and Americans working hand in hand to try to begin the plan to rebuild Gaza to implement a long term peace.
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Narrator/Reporter
President Trump's declaration that the US Is now in an armed conflict with drug cartels. For weeks, the US Navy has been targeting Venezuelan ships it says carry drugs to the United States. The White House is calling the drug runners, quote, unlawful combatants. That's a term that was once used to describe Al Qaeda members.
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Jack Posobic
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily. And today is October 21, 2025 Anno Dominique, guys, throw the shot back up 2020 for 2025 Anno Domini. And we've got a live shot for you. Now, normally we do live bump shots of the White House and I want to let you all know that what you're looking at right now is in fact, a live shot of the White House. Now, guys, is it possible to show the. The mansion along with the shot? Like, can you do a split screen there? I know I'm. I know I'm producing this on the fly, but I want people to know what's going on, that what we're showing you is the East Wing renovations that are ongoing right now. So that is the Executive Mansion. And of course, what you're seeing are the renovations that are being done to the East Wing. And so, of course, everyone knows phase one of renovation is demolition. And I got to tell you, my brother, who is an experienced craftsman, had actually said publicly, and I've communicated this as well to the White House, that is it possible for perhaps pieces of the historic facade of the East Wing, and obviously some of the structural. The structural stone there and the rest to be auctioned off at salvage? And will there be a possibility for this as possibly a way to even raise funds for the new construction and for the ballroom? This has actually been something that my brother has been working on for years. He did this a lot in Philadelphia. As a matter of fact, my wedding gift that I received from him myself and Tanya Tay was a piece of the original. I think it's granite, the original granite floor of Independence hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where we got married in Valley Forge. And so he got us a piece of the original floor of Independence hall, where the founders actually walked. And so it's an incredible thing. And I would. I would think it's great if the White House were able to put up something like that or make an auction or make it available for people, because this is, of course, part of history, but there's a lot of history of changes to the White House. If you go and read about it, the Oval Office has changed. The Oval Office actually used to be in the center of the White House. Now it's over in the West Wing. The West Wing, of course, didn't exist before fdr. So a lot of people saying, oh, what's President Trump doing? But in fact, the history of the White House itself has been of an ever evolving building. And President Trump. Absolutely. It's just a logical step. You gotta put a ballroom in there. You need a place to be able to host these great dinners and these great events when you're bringing in heads of state from around the world. And, you know, just as a. As a personal touch, I would love if it were to be named the Charles J. Kirk White House Ballroom. President, Excuse me, Vice President J.D. vance now landing on the ground in Israel. He's gone there to strengthen the peace deal between Israel and Hamas. Now, of course, we saw that flare up over the weekend, but J.D. vance going there, he's accompanied by Wyckoff, he's accompanied by Jared Kushner as well. And there was this incredible interview that was given on 60 Minutes with Witkoff and Kushner talking about how, look, you know, these two sides, they want to fight. These two sides are really seriously itching for a fight with one another and how it's the United States that's really come down in the middle to. To be the mediator and to be the one that's standing and putting leverage on both sides in a way that, by the way, doesn't look like the United States is able to do directly on Russia the way that we are with Israel, because Russia does not depend on Israel for anything whatsoever. Excuse me, on depend on America for anything whatsoever. And what that means is that this latest idea of a Trump Putin summit in Budapest is now supposedly either being postponed or potentially canceled. So, of course, we're following that. We're following all the updates. Vice President on the ground in Israel, the Gaza peace deal, will it strengthen? Will it hold? Well, folks, so much of this is continuing and human Events Daily. We're going to bring it back home after covering the world front here on Real America's Voice. Stay tuned.
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Paula Scanlon
This is Human Events with Jack pos.
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Jack Posobic
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Thank you so much, Jack. It's truly an honor to be here with you.
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Jack Posobic
Well, it's great to have you on. Now there was something that you mentioned because I saw clips of your Dr. Phil interview and you mentioned to him about this phrase, words are violence. And we hear this phrase over and over and over. And what you've done is you've used your clinical research to actually unpack the psychology of what's going on here with these people who actually believe this and, and in fact how it's leading to unhealthy outcomes for a lot of people.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Yeah, absolutely. So people who love that slogan words are violence. I mean, I try to be charitable and assume that maybe they're coming from a good place, but they should know that this actually backfires and has the opposite effect. Because the way we reduce violence is through dialogue. Violence increases when dialogue ceases. So when we use phrases like words or violence to try to shut down people that we disagree with, we're actually priming the pump for violence. So we definitely want to keep the dialogue going. Like Charlie Kirk always said, well, say.
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Jack Posobic
Now, you mentioned you're priming the pump for violence. Walk me through that phrase. What does that mean, priming the pump?
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Yeah. So as a clinical psychologist, if I'm working with violent offenders or you're working in prison populations, or even just, you know, regular people with anger management problems, one of the first things that you want to do is to teach them how to have dialogue when they are upset. Because even a mom of a toddler will tell you that using your words will help you to resolve conflicts and not escalate things. When people shut down and they stop talking, that's when they're more prone to what psychologists call acting out their feelings. That's when they're more prone to violence. You know, it's what any peace negotiator or anything like that will tell you is stop. Step one, you want dialogue. So words are not violence. In fact, again, when the violence increases, when dialogue ceases.
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Jack Posobic
Well, and in fact, Charlie had said that himself. He said, when I just pulled up the quote here, when people stop talking, that's when you get violence. And in fact, this book that you've written actually backs that up with the clinical research.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Yes, and thank you so much for your kind endorsement of the book as well, Jack. That meant a great deal to me. But, yeah, I felt I had to write it as a clinical psychologist because unfortunately, free speech has become a politically coded issue. It really should be neither owned by the left nor the right. It's for all of us. But for whatever reason, right now it's coded as a right leaning, you know, value. And my profession, clinical psychologist, literally leans 90% plus to the left. So I think that might be why my profession is more pounding the drum about hate speech, speech and bullying, and maybe even leading the charge on some of this silencing of dialogue. But what I know as a clinical psychologist is the opposite, that we should be promoting free speech. That's actually how we reduce, you know, bullying. And if there's hate speech or misinformation, experts will actually tell you it's through dialogue. You know, even if it's like a KKK member or former jihadists, they'll all tell you that they healed some through dialogue. So I don't know where this words are violence nonsense is coming from. It's misguided at best.
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Jack Posobic
And it seems that, and I've done my fair share of trying to unpack this pathology, but it seems to come from a place where thinking that people's feelings being hurt is the same as physical violence, that you've done because there's this word harm. And they'll say, well, you did me harm because you harmed my feelings, therefore you're doing harm to me. Therefore. For example, Charlie Kirk speaking out on the transgender issue, which is obviously something that he's been quite vocal about, is in fact a form of violence to the transgender community. And this is why, in the wake of Charlie's murder, even before anyone had been identified, there were a number of people who suggested that perhaps because we've seen so much violence from the trans community, that this could. And in fact, just days before they had shot up a school or this, this one trans offender, that perhaps there could be a connection. And in fact, there was. It was a. Someone who was in a relationship with a transgender boyfriend. And so, you know, where, where does that idea come in that you harming my feelings is something that's causing me physically, physical harm? Because you do tend to see this, and I'm just going to call it out, you tend to see it with a lot of Gen Z racist, where they're so worried about having their feelings hurt that they almost become conflict aversive.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Yeah, I totally agree. And it is, of course, it's literally psychotic. In psychology, we call it psychotic when something is broken from reality. And so it's actually a very anxiety evoking way to live your life. To think like, God forbid somebody says the wrong thing. To me, it's like, I've been run over by a car. Right. Or to think, God forbid that you say the wrong thing to somebody else. And, you know, it's like you've run them over with a car. Now you bring up the trans issue and the overlap, which I think is interesting, because frankly, there's a lot of psychoticism, I think, within the trans movement because again, going back to this idea that psychotic essentially means out of touch with reality. And there are some people who identify as trans that say, like Caitlyn Jenner that says, I know I'm a man who has had cosmetic surgery, like Caitlin knows what he is, but there are many trans people who believe that through their surgeries or whatever, that they literally magically become a member of the opposite sex, which, you know, I would say is a psychotic belief. And so it is interesting, as you said, that there is this overlap with the violence. In fact, when Governor Tim Walz signed into law, you know, making Minnesota a sanctuary state, there was a Minnesota lawmaker in the background photo with a T shirt that said protect trans at all costs, and it had a bloody knife on it. There's also a lot of medication, obviously going on within that community. And some of that medication could even have side effects that could lead to additional psychoticism as well as potentially violent behavior. Especially if they say, anybody who disagrees that I'm, you know, X gender is, quote, threatening my existence, that's setting up self defense language. To your point, this idea that these words are, quote, harming me on a physical level that's really broken from reality because it's just obviously not true.
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Jack Posobic
Well, and because, you know, I think to so many people, obviously, myself included, you know, you ask you what could possess someone to climb a roof at the middle of a peaceful college campus and, you know, to plan an act as heinous and unspeakably evil as this? And something that I've always said is, well, they don't think they're evil. And I'll say this, as a guy who served at Guantanamo Bay and came face to face with. You just mentioned jihadists. I'm not a clinical psychologist, but I've been up close and personal with those types. And again, they don't think they're evil. They think it all rationally flows logically from their train of thought. And so you have to sort of unpack that to understand why they're doing what they're doing.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Totally. And so they do get. There's something in psychology called the secondary gains of victimhood. And so if they fancy themselves the victim of, you know, this violent attack, then one of the maybe secondary gains to that is that it gives them in their mind, an excuse to act out violently upon people. And it is interesting, of course, that when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, martyred, he literally, in the process, it was the first trans issues question that was posed to him. And then that very moment, he was in that process of answering, you know, when his life was taken by somebody, as you mentioned, Tyler Robinson, that his boyfriend identified as trans. Interestingly, these gentlemen also apparently had some interest or connection with the, quote, furry community, which is another level of psychoticism. Right. Like, again, this transhuman idea that we can just break from reality. Whereas again, for me, as a clinical.
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Jack Posobic
Psychology, it's all transhumanism. Dr. Chloe, we're coming up on a very quick break. I'm so sorry that we have to hold this off because this is exactly what we need to be talking about as a country right now. Be right back. Jack Posobic, Dr. Chloe Carmichael on Real America's Voice.
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Narrator/Reporter
You talk about influence. These are influencers, and they're friends of mine. Jack, where's Jack. He's got a great job.
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Jack Posobic
All right, Jack Brisco. We are back. We're live with Dr. Chloe Carmichael, clinical psychologist, and she's walking us through the psychology of trans shooters and people who are associated with the trans movement who have become trans shooters, transhumanists as well, by the way, people who are involved in the furry movement, which is again, break from reality. All of which tied to extreme sexual behaviors. And so, Dr. Chloe, you were telling me just now, the secondary gains of victimhood is that a, this, this, this idea that being a victim somehow has. Has value to it. Because, you know, I remember I was thinking just during the break, you know, when I was a kid, my father taught me, you know, that, that classic phrase that perhaps isn't so classic anymore. Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me. But we don't use that standard anymore. Now we use the standard words are violence. And you mentioned the anti bullying movement. And a lot of this does kind of come from there. That, you know, these words, these things that people say are kind of the same thing as violence. Whereas, you know, the way my father taught me was you stand up to bullies, you confront them, you take that step to sort of self actualize and rise to the occasion. But now we teach people to not do that, and it does kind of perhaps lead to these psychotic breaks.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Yeah, you can stand up to bullies, or sometimes you can realize maybe the person isn't even a bully. Maybe like, I can just brush this off. You know, in fact, sometimes people can ironically become the bully through this secondary gains, retaliation. Right. So one of the things I want people to understand is that if you try to silence somebody and take away their right to speak frankly, you are the bully at that point. Right. But secondary gains of victimhood is it's psychology 101. The classic example in a psych textbook is as a little girl breaks her leg, she gets to skip gym class, everybody signs her cast, she loves it so much. And then when it's time for the cast to come off, she says with all sincerity, no, no, no, I still need it. You know, and she's not even lying, but she just unconsciously got so attached to this that she comes to not want to part, you know, with the victimhood status and the perks that go with it. Now people can actually wield that victimhood power in a more sophisticated, deliberate, intentional way as well. Which, you know, again, if you say, hey, words are violence, and therefore your words are bullying me and victimizing me, and now I'm, you know, justified to retaliate, you know, with my fists. You know, I mean, that was one of the bullet etchings on Tyler Robinson's bullet was, you know, hey, fascists, catch these hands, right? And as a clinical psychologist, I know that if a patient tells me that he's going to go say something mean and nasty to his neighbor, I'm legally prohibited from breaking that confidentiality. But if my patient tells me I'm going to go, you know, punch somebody in the face, then I'm obligated to actually break confidentiality and take action. Because it's very obvious, one is violence and one is not. And we're not helping people by blurring that line with phrases like words or violence.
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Jack Posobic
By the way, that secondary gains of victimhood. I think when I was in the Navy, perhaps some of my sailors may have been exploiting that one every once in a while. Oh, you know, sir, we're still feeling sick, sir, still gotta stay in rack. I think I need another light duty chit. I think I need another.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Exactly.
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Jack Posobic
You know, we certainly, by the way, we call that malingering in the Navy. And there's some very serious punishments for that, especially when you are at sea. And in fact, it is a well known condition that goes back, gosh, I don't know, all the way back to the age of sail, you know, thousands of years ago. But it's certainly something that we've had to deal with in the Navy. But I see the same thought patterns here, because you're right, they gain this victim status and then they believe that they gained some sort of extra power, extra ability through that victims. And we see this all throughout society today, by the way. And it's not just here, going back though, and kind of drilling down a little bit more on, on Robinson. The, the effect of. Now, now here we see he wasn't, you know, necessarily trans himself. Certainly had some affinity for the furry culture that we know through his online search history. But, but is there an element of sort of feeling that he was defending his romantic partner, his boyfriend here? Is that, is that really kind of how, how he saw his act?
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
I mean, we can only speculate, of course, but I do think a white knight knight in shining armor situation I think is certainly plausible. I mean, he obviously have, you know, it sounds like he was in a relationship with this, you know, man who identified as trans. And I don't think it's a coincidence that, you know, he chose to shoot literally at that moment when the very first trans question arose. So I think that's entirely a plausible possibility to be explored.
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Jack Posobic
Well, it just, it seems. It seems to me that there's so much involved here that of course, we're not hearing. And then we see these, you know, these text messages which are obviously, admittedly strange. But, you know, between him and Twigs, the boyfriend, and he's, you know, taken at face value, it seems that there's some sort of, you know, loving, romantic Romeo and Juliet kind of situation going on. But it also is a level of catastrophizing where, you know, I had to do this or else your life would have been forfeit. I mean, it's, it's. It seems ridiculous, but I guess the point that I'm trying to make and what you explained in your book is that when you're caught up in all of these psychoses, that it does actually seem as though you're in a catastrophe to them.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Yes. Although it's hard to tell sometimes which is feeding which. So, for example, you can just have a desire to murder and then you can, you know, basically, you know, sublimate it by coming up with a socially acceptable reason to do it. Right. It's called sublimation. Now, obviously, we don't think his. His reasoning is socially acceptable. Again, it's quite ironic that he said that Charlie Kirk was so hateful, right, that he had to go shoot him. But a healthy example of sublimation, for example, would be, suppose that like mostmost surgeons are thought of as maybe sublimating what could be a pathological desire to, you know, cut people open and, you know, get into all that stuff. But they find a socially acceptable way to channel that energy through surgery. And so it's possible that instead of his violent eruption coming because of his belief system, he may also have adopted or enhanced his belief system as a cover to accommodate his violent tendencies. Or they can also feed each other in a circular fashion. I do think that there's a lot of very disaffected young men these days. You know, I mean, gosh, if you're a, you know, straight white male. Allotted doors.
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Jack Posobic
All right, we're up against another break. Dr. Chloe, I need to hold you over because we need to. We need to get to the bottom of this. We're. Guys, we're holding her over. We're holding over. Dr. Chloe. I'm sorry, Doc. Chloe, you're not allowed to leave. The session is not yet finished. I'm not leaving the couch. Jack Posobic Real America's Voice Human Events Daily Jack?
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Narrator/Reporter
Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys. And these are the guys who've been getting public.
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Jack Posobic
All right, Jack Posobic, we're back here. Human Events Daily. We're on. And we're finishing up our session, our therapy session here with Dr. Chloe Carmichael. Because, Dr. Chloe, you were talking. You were. You got. I mean, this is so amazing. You've tied together sublimation people who have these. These perhaps violent but perhaps anger tendencies. And then you tied that. And just as we cut, you tied that to the rising portion of disaffected young men in society. This is something that I've talked about a lot. This is something that Charlie Kirk talked about a lot, that we have this huge and rising, unfortunately, pool of disaffected young men. And it's that disaffection, and this has been my argument completely. It's that disaffection, that disassociation with the real world, because they feel the real world doesn't have anything for them. So what do they do? They throw themselves into fantasy worlds. They throw themselves into these false beliefs. And in some cases, it does produce psychosis, the one like the ones that you've been describing here, because they feel that reality, the real world, the sort of quote unquote, status quo of society today. And by the way, I'm more than willing to acknowledge that there is a problem in America today for young men that in some cases, those pressures do end up squeezing them to the point where they erupt.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Very few outlets for them to just, you know, be men without getting labeled as toxically masculine in some circles. Right. So I feel like many of them feel as if they kind of have to subvert that masculine energy or, you know, identify as trans or, you know, say, well, I hate the fascists or whatever, as, you know. And it kind of distorts, in a way, their masculine energy. And then when we throw in this thing about words or violence, I just. I find it very interesting that Tyler Robinson, as well as Luigi Mangione, as well as the Dallas Ice shooter and others, they're starting to literally etch words upon their bullets. Right? So, I mean, talk about the ultimate confusion of words and violence that this is. As a psychologist, I mean, it's kind of a textbook picture of acting out your violent feelings, because these are the very same people who tend to think that it's somehow virtuous to shut down dialogue. This is the same group that's statistically much more likely to defriend on Facebook to disinvite a speaker or otherwise show social hostages hostility and refuse to dialogue with people who see things differently.
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Jack Posobic
Okay, last, last point. And I want to remind everyone the book is. Can I say that Dr. Chloe Carmichael. Oh, we got the graphic. Don't worry, you don't have to do the whole. You don't have to do the whole Vanna White up there for us. And although of course we love seeing it and it's all about free speech and the, the attacks on free speech today and how it produces these various psychosis and how that we should use free speech fearlessly. Obviously you wrote this before knowing that Charlie Kirk would be killed over free speech. That's the point that I want to ask you though. So the writings on the bullet casings you mentioned that Tyler Robinson wrote on the bullet casings, he also wrote Bella Chow, which is the international anthem of antifa. You mentioned the anti ice shooter down in Dallas, Texas. He wrote literally anti ice on the bullet casings. And the first one that we've seen in the string of violent shootings, violent sniper shootings, was in fact Luigi Maggione himself, who wrote on the bullets when he shot and killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Deny, defend and depose. What is the connection here? Because you're right, they. It's not just that their words are violence, but that. So the people who believe words are violence, they're writing words on the bullets, which is the act of violence itself. I feel like I'm getting there. Unpack it for me.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Yeah, so it's interesting, I talk about this in my book with something called the five Ds. So the same people, it happens to be people who identify as liberal, who will defriend on Facebook, disinvite a speaker, decline to date drop or distance contact in real life are literally the same people, According to say, YouGov pollsthat will endorse or even celebrate political violence. And so there is something about taking away our words which is our most natural way to resolve conflicts. I mean, it's literally innate. Even infant babies will respond to human voices in ways that they won't respond to any other sound. We need to communicate. We're hardwired to communicate. And so when you stop people from communicating or stop yourself from communicating, you are literally just setting the stage for violence for yourself. So I would love to get say with Linda McMahon or these other people that are working with young people in schools so that we can help them understand that if they want to reduce bullying and whatnot, the way to do it is not to stamp out speech, it is to promote speech. That is the answer.
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Jack Posobic
Couldn't agree more. And you're right. This all ties together. The final expression of the words are violence is the fact that they are turning their words, turning these words into actual expressions of physical violence. This is the penultimate step before actually pulling the trigger. Dr. Chloe Carmichael, incredible interview. Where can people go to follow you?
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
Free Speech Today.com if they go to Free Speech Today.com they'll get my my books and my social media handles. I love to mix it up on X, Jack, especially with you. So if they go to free speech today.com they can get it all.
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Jack Posobic
Check her out. Dr. Chloe on X and free speech today.com folks, did you know that Utah and Florida recently banned fluoride in their drinking water? Why are they doing a massive U turn on something that's been pumped into our water for 80 years? Well, the government claims fluoride is for quote unquote, healthy teeth, but that's just nanny state nonsense. You actually don't need bureaucrats meddling in your water.
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Dr. Chloe Carmichael
You need.
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Paula Scanlon
I'm good. Good to be back with you.
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Jack Posobic
Good to be here and it was great to see you on I guess that was Sunday up with Jack Ciarelli up there in Bergen county. And, and Paula, tell tell everybody how many people were there? I'm not making this up.
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Paula Scanlon
There are a few thousand or at least a thousand. Right. I mean, I'm really actually bad at estimating group numbers of people, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask. But it was a great event. There were at least a thousand people there. You spoke and did a wonderful job. And many people were excited to to see Poso speak himself. And he made the trip and so we're grateful for that. But what I will say is the energy in New Jersey is high. Bergen county is one of those must win counties that will determine the course of the election for Jack and just Jack Cittarelli in two weeks. And so I'm excited to see it. I think the energy is high. I don't think people are very excited about the other candidate who is just Vanilla Harris. That really is who she is and that's what we've seen. But New Jersey is ready and we're working hard. And again, there's so many people that have come out and supported this race. And so we're worth two weeks to go and we're excited to win this thing.
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Jack Posobic
So you mentioned Vanilla Harris. Oh my gosh, she has now. Mikey Sherrill has now announced that she's bringing airdropping Barack Obama into New Jersey. And I'm so confused why she would do that because didn't Joe Biden get 500,000 more votes in New Jersey than Barack Obama is? Why is she getting yesterday's news like Barack Obama and not bringing in the far more popular president Joe Biden? I don't understand it, Paula.
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Paula Scanlon
You know, I wish I knew too. And I had just tweeted about this actually earlier before coming on. Obama has not been on the ballot in almost 15 years. Why is this the best person that you have to help campaign and represent the Democrat Party and make the push for Democrats? I think if anything, Obama is unpopular in the state of New Jersey. I think many people in New Jersey probably voted for Obama and then realized the mistake that they've made because this state has only gotten further and further right every election since Obama was on the ballot. I'm pretty sure this past election, I mean, it was so close. Trump almost beat Kamala Harris. And so it's I have no idea. And I think that they're scrambling. I think it shows that they're desperate here. And I think that really there's the excitement for Sheryl is just not there.
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Jack Posobic
No, it's not there at all. And we found a picture of her a couple of days ago that showed you that there's no joy. She's not experiencing the joy. We're coming up on a quick break, but New Jersey, we've seen the polls tighten. We know that it's getting closer. Paula Scanlon is down there. Early Vote Action. Of course, you work with Scott Pressler, so many others working directly with the campaign. Look, guys, I've said it and I'll say it again. NJ is the play if you want to put work in. And by the way, go download the Turning Point Action app, because the Turning Point Action app can let you work in New Jersey or wherever you like, Virginia, Arizona, from the comfort of your own home. We'll be right back. Jack Posobic, Paula Scanlon, Human Events Daily continues.
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Narrator/Reporter
Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.
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Jack Posobic
Amen. All right, Jack Posobie, back live Human Events Daily. You're looking at the live shot, the east wing reconstruction of the White House. We're on with Paula Scanlon. She is working with Early Vote Action in New Jersey, predominantly Early Vote Action. Of course, we know Scott Pressler covers New Jersey, Pennsylvania, a number of other states. Paula, for those who are interested in perhaps whether they're, you know, willing to hop on a plane or fly over to New Jersey or drive there or whatever it might be, how can people get involved with Early Vote Action?
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Paula Scanlon
Yes, you can definitely go to our website, Early Vote action dot com. There's information there if you want to see more of what we're up to and get more involved. But you can honestly message me personally if you're looking to get involved. Our wonderful state director, Michael Casey is also helping manage. Our inboxes have been full. I'm not going to lie to you guys. I stayed up pretty late last night going over everything with Michael. But what this shows me is that the energy is here. There are patriots from across this country that want to see New Jersey win. And so we have to keep moving on this. We have two weeks left until Election day. Make sure you vote early. If you're available right now, and if you're waiting till election day, make sure you find a way to get it done. This is so important. Text your friends in New Jersey. I'm going to text all of my friends from college that are from New Jersey this week and make sure that they're all ready to go, ready to vote and ready to vote for Jack and also for the down ballot candidates. Some of them were there at the event that we were at this past weekend. And that's also equally important. Jack needs support in the local positions to help push his agenda, to help better New Jersey, to help put in better policies. And so I've been really excited. The energy is really high. People are ready and people are tired of what's been going on under Democrat control in New Jersey and they want change. And I think this entire country wants to see New Jersey win. I think a lot of people have been looking to this race.
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Jack Posobic
100%. I couldn't, I couldn't agree more. And look, I saw the energy there on the ground myself personally. I'm actually told, by the way, that another prominent conservative is going to be heading up to New Jersey this weekend, although I'm not sure it's public yet. But look for that coming up this Saturday. Paul, though, I got to ask you because I know that you, you know, you're, you're working New Jersey, but you actually live in New York City. And I know this because obviously you tweet about all the time and you are looking at your city's mayoral race. Now, are you about to be governed by Kami Mamdani?
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Paula Scanlon
Yeah, it is, unfortunately, looking that way. I think we're in a situation now where it's a three way race. I don't entirely understand what's going on. I think the fate of New York is dire. The amount of texts I've received from friends and family in the last couple weeks just saying, hey, when's your moving date? Do you need help moving boxes? Because this is the reality that we're dealing with in New York. And unfortunately we have a lot of brain dead people that don't know any better. People who probably shouldn't even be allowed to be voting in elections that are voting here in New York. It's really sad and pathetic and something I. When I look at Mamdani, someone who's gotten has such privilege to immigrate to this country. My mom immigrated to this country and she moved right here to New York City and her family worked so hard to live the American dream. And they understand the value and the privilege it is to be an American. And seeing someone like Mamdani with all this privilege coming in and saying, I don't actually care about the people. I want to put people in danger. Making the buses free, it's going to become basically moving homeless shelters. The people on the streets in New York are already out there. We need more police, not less. And he wants to defund the police, and he tries to walk away from that, but it's been everywhere in his platform. And that's not what we need in New York. We need people to crack down on crime. We don't want to see what happened to Daniel Penney where we have prosecutors trying to arrest heroes. I mean, that will be the reality under Mamdani's rule here.
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Jack Posobic
All right, but. But now here's. Here's the kind of the question, because the New York Post ran a cover this morning, and I. When I'm at Wawa every single morning, one of the first things I do is always check the New York Post. And they had a cover that said, basically, I forget. Exactly. They had some pun about Curtis Levi and his beret. And. And they were telling Curtis Lewis to drop out of the race. And there's been, you know, we did a huge episode the other day on Thought Crime with myself and the team, the guys, and, you know, we watched the debate in full. I thought Cuomo absolutely just kind of destroyed himself. He sort of self immolated like that, like Aaron Danielson outside of the White House or whatever it was. And then oops. And, you know, and Mamdani, you know, he comes across very charming. A lot of communists are. They use this rhetoric like, I'm just one of you, when we know they're not. And. And then Curtis was up there and he really stuck to the issues and I think, you know, really talked about quality of life for all, all New Yorkers. And I thought that was a great job. So, excuse me, Aaron Bushnell, I'm being still boneless, is mentioning me. It's Heron. Aaron Bushnell. See, I don't even remember the guy's name. That's how bad it was. When, when you're looking at the race, does it make sense then for the New York Post to be calling for Curtis to drop out? Or perhaps should it actually be Cuomo who drops out himself?
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Paula Scanlon
Yeah, this is something we've gotten into on even our Twitter sphere. I mean, we were talking about this offline before I got on here, but this is I don't know what to make of this entire situation. I think it's one of those things where if it's a one to one race, I think anyone would really beat Mamdani. But the problem is when we're looking at a three way race, Mamdani will win. And I think there are a lot of people who on the Democrat side actually really do like and support him. Unfortunately, I mean, they elected aoc, so there's some brain dead voters that exist in this population. And many other Jasmine Crockett people voted for her allegedly too. So, you know, we see this widespread in the Democrat party. But I think that Cuomo has no right to be here. He lost in the primary that they had. He lost to mom Donnie. And also, do we have a short term memory here? Because I remember 2020. I remember what I saw in New York City in 2020 with Cuomo. Okay. What I saw in the entire state of New York with Cuomo. He's not this savior. He's not this amazing person. I don't know why we're saying, yeah, okay, maybe he's a little bit better than mom Donnie, but he's still pretty far left and not someone who I think is a good leader of any state or city.
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Jack Posobic
So at the end of the day then your argument would be, and this is very similar to what Curtis has said, that actually it should be Cuomo who drops out. Because when you look at it, Cuomo's voters could potentially move over. If he's got Maha, if he's got, if he's got upper class, if he's got people, you know, people who are working, people who are professionals, people who have the ability to actually be successful in New York, they've got, they would potentially move over and vote for Curtis, but instead, you know, he's staying in and he's saying, Curtis, a dropout. Meanwhile, Curtis's voters, they're not voting for Cuomo because Cuomo was a grandma killer. In addition to all the other things, which by the way, Mom Dummy was the one that blew him up on that on stage. Mum Dami was the one who was hitting Cuomo on this. So you look at a guy who's completely, again, just self immolated, totally Bushnelled himself and I, you know what? You've convinced me. You've convinced me. No, it. Cuomo is the one who should drop out of the race and endorse Curtis Sliwa.
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Narrator/Reporter
Yeah.
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Paula Scanlon
And guess what though? He won't do that. I think he is in this race because he has this ego that he needs to feed. I mean, it's exactly why he went from negotiations. Ashamed Governor, just trying to become the mayor of the largest city in this entire country. I mean, this is just someone who does not come across as for the people. I watched that debate live, and as much as I wanted to sit there and say I think Mamdani is horrible, I agree with what you said earlier. He is a great speaker, and Mamdani did a wonderful job trying to be for the people and being convincing and being charismatic and being a great actor on that stage. And Cuomo, in my opinion, I thought, looked the worst in this debate. I mean, I, of course, Curtis stuck to his stuff. And I've always loved Curtis for the longest time. Every time he's on any interview or on the news or even speaking somewhere, I make an effort to watch it because I just think Curtis is one of those really fascinating people that I love, and I wish there was a better path to victory. And there isn't someone like Cuomo that's taking away his votes. But unfortunately, this is a situation that we're in. And I think the other thing we have to look at is it's too late now. Why couldn't they have had these conversations earlier? Why couldn't President Cuomo have stopped running his ego and just gotten out of the way and realized again, he stepped down shamefully from being governor of New York? How do you expect to go back and become the mayor now? It's just an ego drive, and that's exactly what he's doing.
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Jack Posobic
Couldn't agree more. We're out of time. Paula Scanlon where can people follow you?
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Paula Scanlon
Follow me on exit. Paula Scanlon I don't know. We're doing the New Jersey race. You'll probably see a lot of that if you catch me there.
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Jack Posobic
We certainly will, Paula Gai Fang Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.
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