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This is an iHeart podcast. This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran, this is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Christ is the Trump administration is putting on hold billions of dollars of funding for infrastructure projects in New York City.
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In a social media post, White House.
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Budget director Russell Vogt wrote that he would be pausing 18 billion in funding for infrastructure projects to ensure that money was not flowing based on unconstitutional DEI principles.
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In Chicago, operation Midway Blitz is in full swing.
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Hundreds of federal agents stormed an apartment complex earlier today in a multi agency.
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Raid and they arrested more than a dozen people.
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Authorities say they were targeting members of the vicious Trende Aragua gang.
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This stunt has nothing to do with public safety. This is about politics, money and power.
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They're not targeting violent criminals or gang members. They're arresting tamale vendors. We will liberate this city from the criminal element that has plagued it for generations.
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This is not just a strategy shift.
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This is an attitude shift. We are not going to live in an environment anywhere where there is a.
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Street that belongs to a criminal, whether.
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It is a neighborhood that belongs to a gang, whether it is any physical space anywhere that belongs to anyone other than the law abiding citizens and families of Memphis. The idea that there is a square inch of block in this city where a citizen doesn't feel safe is unacceptable. Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events daily. Today is October 2, 2025 Anno Domini. We are here live in the Charlie Kirk studio, Phoenix, Arizona. And we are here with Andrew Colvett and Blake Neff. What's up, guys?
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Hey. So thanks for having us. It's my second time on your show.
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Yeah, I mean, you were, you were okay. You know, we got some good audience feedback. It was mixed, to be fair. It was mixed. But, you know, it was, it was.
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It's about my ce.
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It was. It was at your ceiling. Yeah. And I, and I said, you know what, though? You know what, though? This, this might be something where we can get you in and, and get you on, because yesterday we got the incredible news, something that we've been banging on, on thought crime and, and human events and the Charlie Kirk show was the adl. And Charlie had this great tweet up not even that long ago where he said, the ADL is number one and the SPLC is one number is number two in terms of the purveyors of hate in America.
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Yep. This is, this is the tweet and.
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You got it there.
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You want to be a big hate group? Just call yourself an anti hate group.
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We're the anti bad guy.
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Do you want to defame people? Call yourself the Anti Defamation League.
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So here I'm getting the. The tweet for the team.
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So the adl, the FBI has severed their relationship with them. Yeah, they. Elon Musk is going hardcore on them, trying to push back on all of their government contracts, which we see are all over various levels of government. And today online, people have just started blasting the SPLC because we're saying, guys, if we're. And because. And specifically because. By the way, it started with the ADL's attack on Turning Point USA.
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Well, and Christians and Christian Identity.
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Christian Identity and the SPLC is the same thing.
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Christian Identity. One specifically was. It was an actual group that I think called itself Christian Identity. That was like weird stuff, but they were bad in a million other ways, including smearing us.
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But by the way, it doesn't even change the reality that they were anti Christian or they are anti Christian. I mean, precisely. They don't at least Christian value. So here's the tweet. Our team should have it. So throw this up when you can get it. Guys. This is from September 1, 2023. Charlie says whatever it was in the past. Today the ADL is a hate group that dons a religious mask to justify stoking hatred of the left's enemies. I believe in the First Amendment and free speech as a principle, regardless of what the law says. I don't want to ban anyone's speech. But the ADL has no place extorting X, Twitter or any other social media companies, nor should it dictate to federal law enforcement agencies what hate speech is. The ADL itself is America's number one purveyor of hate speech. Parentheses. And the SBLC is number two.
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So the great Perry Abbasi Pericles of Chicago, who is an alpha male married to a woman, that we congratulate him for that. He found that the day before September 10th. But on September 9th, the SPLC released their Hate Watch newsletter.
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No way.
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And I don't think anyone had realized this because, you know, we don't follow direct basis. Yeah, September 9th, they had an article attacking Charlie Kirk literally one day before Utah Valley. And he was being targeted. He was this member of the hard right. And I'm trying to pull the exact tweet up, but they said they were going after him saying this guy is against DEI and you know, he is a hate and extremist and again, so we talk about the, the various rhetoric that Democrats use. These places are the sources of that rhetoric. And they'll say, oh well, look this study by the adl. Look at this study by the splc. And then David Sacks would point out that if you search certain conservatives online, and I appreciate David pointing this out, that he, he said, you search Stephen Miller, first thing that comes up is, is splc. You search Jack Posobic. The first thing that comes up is splc. And in fact last year, and we are no, excuse me, earlier this year, in May of this year, the SPLC added Turning Point USA to their 2024 Hate Map. And this is the thing with these types of hate organizations, the extremists that follow them. We know that the Family Research Council shooter was an SPLC follower. The Steve Scalise shooter was an SPLC follower. So they've been tied to multiple shootings in the past and yet they continue to dox, they continue to make maps, they make lists with impunity.
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So they put us on their hate map as a hate group. What is it that the alleged shooter supposedly said, according to Utah authorities in those messages? I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.
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Specific the, the almost verbatim, the same words as the SPLC will be right back. Human Events Daily contest continues. Stand in our way and our golden age has just begun. This is Human Events with Jack Posoba. Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, Jack Zick, back live. Charlie Kirk Studio Phoenix, Arizona Human Events Daily Folks, did you know that in the last six weeks tens of millions of AT and T users had their name, address and Social Security numbers leaked now? Or did you know that the CCP is out there harvesting massive amounts of Americans personal data to train their Deep Seek and other AI programs? Here's what's happening. When you are online, you're doing work, you're, you're, you're searching things. You're might just be interacting with your friends. You don't realize that you need digital camouflage. And unfortunately we've all learned in the last few weeks that those of us in this industry also need to be careful with our personal information. Well, that's why I've partnered with our newest show sponsor, Patriot Protect. Patriot Protect will protect your personal data from the Internet. Whether it's Google, Amazon or Apple, you, your personal data will be wiped so that when you go and use the Internet scammers and Cyber criminals like the swatters who came after my family and my parents will not and cannot find your data. You need to take back your security and your privacy. Once Patriot Protect scans and scrubs your personal information, they'll continuously monitor 247 monitoring and protection your info online. So any instance of a possible data breach and is eliminated. This is 247365 protection for the cost of keeping the. The cost of keeping the porch lights on. The only thing that we know for sure, the only thing worse than getting hacked is knowing that you could have stopped it and didn't take action when you could have. So go to patriot-protect.com poso use promo code POSO for 15% off a yearly subscription. That's patriot-protect.com poso again, promo code POSO for 15% OFF a yearly subscription. Patriot-protect.com pos gentlemen, so I want to talk about what pressure points we have on the splc because we do need to look at this in terms of action items. We know these are the bad guys. FBI, you need to drop the relationship cash. You did it with the adl. SPLC is next. As Charlie said, they're number two. Yes, the SPLC is literally number two. Amazon Smile, their charity donation. Why are they partnering with an organization like this? And Andrew, you were just talking in the break about this massive endowment. This is crazy that they have that they're keep keeping like in the Caribbean.
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Well, so they have in. They're headquartered in Alabama and they're. They call it the poverty palace. Right. Because it's. Apparently this thing is just gaudy over the top.
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Oh, it's enormous. Absolutely enormous.
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In Alabama of all places. But it.
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Because that's where. That's where it all started.
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Well, it's where it all started. And by the way, some of these formerly useful organizations have just become so corrupted and twisted over the years. But the SPLC's endowment was reported, get this, at approximately $822 million. And that's ending fiscal year ending in 2024. That's nearly a billion dollar endowment for the SPLC. And so Blake has brought up a good point that it's basically, you know, it's a money grab scheme that targets boomers with like old school civil rights nonsense that has a. It's no longer relevant.
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It's direct mail.
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Yeah, it's direct mail. So they're, they're fleecing old people. Blake, what's that? I mean, you've, you've done some deep dive into this.
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You know, I think do we have this ready? Because I want to read.
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Yeah.
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All right. So I actually, this was talked about in. In Charlie's book, Right Wing Revolution. I think that's kind of a good way to set it up and loop our friend into this.
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Charlie was very clear that this was the number two organization.
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So let's read this. Quote. For decades, the Southern Poverty Law center has collected revenues well in excess of its spending. In 2022, it collected $140 million, spent just 110 million for a surplus of 30 million. It has, as of when he was writing this in 23, amassed a pool of assets totaling more than $700 million. Their lavish headquarters is nicknamed the Poverty Palace. But even other more principled liberals find the SPLC completely loathsome. In 1996, one of them called SPLC founder Morris Deese a and a con man. In a 2019 piece, former staffer Bob Moser said the group was, quote, ripping off donors and was essentially a con. Well, the SPLC is headquartered in Montgomery, Alabama. And then he makes a reference to the NRA got, which is headquartered in New York state, got besieged by the New York AG's office. They had an entire division of the New York AG's office that was basically get the NRA. And you know, Bloomberg was very anti gun. They had a whole operation. He funded this news outlet called the Trace, whose purpose was basically to just write about gun stuff so that over years you'd have this source that you could go to for anti NRA stuff.
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Like, I just want to. I just want to check on this. So that's New York, that's a blue state. Alabama, though, where the SPLC is headquartered. You know, my political knowledge trivia, it's not so good. Is Alabama, is that a swing state? Is that a blue state? Where do they sit?
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I mean, they did elect a Democrat Senator in like, 2017, briefly.
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So here's the thing.
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Yeah, it's the Reddit. No, I want to say this. It's the reddest of the red states. And the AG have it, you know. Yeah. Like, I mean, they're right there on.
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The Gulf of America.
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Right there on the Gulf of America, the reddish of the red states. And the AG is sitting right there overseeing them. We saw what the AG has done in a state like Arizona. They've indicted Tyler, who is currently under indictment in his own state. The minute they got a blue ag by what, like a couple of hundred votes?
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230.
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Yeah, 230 votes. And the first thing they do is start indicting patriots like our good friend. And we have these guys who are just very clearly, I would say, based on the information that we have in Charlie Kirk's book, the information that came out before about the $30 million in the Caymans that the great Tyler O' Neill over at Daily Signal, I've got. He's written entire books about these guys. You've got the predicate for an investigation into the SPLC for wire fraud.
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Guess what?
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And mail fraud.
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Guess who's running for governor in Alabama?
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Who? That.
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It's a young man named Coach Tommy Tuberville.
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Coach Tommy Tuberville. No way. I love that guy.
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Coach is the kind of guy that will not abide nonsense. He will not put up with it. And so this is why local government, whether it's at the state level or at the city level, is so critically important. Yes, we won the nation, we won the national race. President Trump in the White House. God bless Charlie for all that he did to make that happen. But we have to take back red states, we have to take back blue states. Every single inch of this country has a crisis of leadership. And I'm not, you know, Florida's doing great. There's some bright spots. But to your point, Jack, we on the right need to learn how to exert and use the power that we have because. And it shows the character of a conservative versus a progressive. A progressive is just hell bent on being as creative as they can to corrupt the system and to leverage the system in all these twisted, gross ways to punish their enemies. Conservatives, we're not wired that way. But when you have, to your point, a very clear predicate that this organization is engaging in fraudulent behavior and fleecing donors and whatever, then go investigate that. Use the power that the people have given you. That's in your lawful purview. And you know what? Take on the splc. Do it. Do it, Coach, we have your back.
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Right? And that's.
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And that's elected first, but when you are elected, then do it.
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Well, that's just at the local level, at the, at the federal level as well. So if they're committing mail fraud, just, just the fact that it's in the mail, that makes it federal. And the fact that obviously I'm sure there's donors for, from pretty much every state of. There's multiple. That you can look at.
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There's multiple vectors here.
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And, But. Right. But you're right about the state level, and I want to keep coming back to that. This is, this is the REDD of the red states. And they're just sitting there. The poverty palace is built on top of one of our states like an occupying.
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It's built on blood money. Yes, it's built on blood money because these are, these are the organizations that have been spewing hate about Jack Posobic, about Charlie Kirk, about Turning Point usa, and they're giving license to murderers. Okay, and how do they. What do they do with that money when you send it to them? They, they, they slander good people, good Christians, people that built this country, the kind of people that still hold the values that built this country. So it's infuriating to me that they're left to go untouched. And this is, you know, I go back to Utah State. We had Governor Cox there. Okay. People didn't like that. Well, Governor Cox had privately communicated with us that, you know, Charlie maybe had some good points. Okay. When he went after him back in the day.
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I know the phone call we talked about.
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But this was an example, and this is, I think, where Governor Cox has improved and evolved to use the Obama ism. But here's the thing. This was a red state, a very, very red state in Utah where he was ceding ground to the left on issues of trans and women's sports and things like that. That time is done. If you are a conservative and you are weak or ineffectual about these very key issues, by the way, that are 70, 30, 80, 20, 90, 10, then we have no business with you and we will spit you out and we will primary you and we'll replace you with better candidates.
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Is that a biblical reference, Andrew Colvett?
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It's a little bit of a.
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If you were lukewarm, sure, you'll be spit out.
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But I mean it. Because we're sick of it. And people are getting killed out here.
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No. And this isn't the first time. So Floyd Lee Corkins, back in 2012, was. Was an attempted shooter when it wanted to conduct a mass shooting at the Family Research council in Washington D.C. and he went and planned to enter the offices of the Family Research Council, who stood for traditional marriage. And he learned about them because of the SPLC's hate watch list. So what he did is he went, he got his gun, he loaded it, he drove to Washington D.C. but he didn't go to the Family Research Council first. You know what he did first? You know, Blake, what did he do? He went to Chick Fil a. You know why he went to Chick Fil A?
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Because they were labeled by.
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Because as cause. Chick Fil a had been Labeled. And the Family Research Council had been labeled. And his plan was to buy Chick Fil a sandwiches, shoot everyone in the office, and then throw Chick Fil a sandwiches on their dead bodies as they bled out. Now, thank God he was stopped by a good guy with a gun the minute that he tried to get in there. But he got all of that information, including the hate, the incitement, the smearing and the location of their office from the splc. That's Floyd Lee Corkins. Then you had the Steve Scalise shooter was an SPLC follower. And I, I four months, four months before Charlie Kirk was killed, Turning Point USA was added to the SPLC's hate list. And the day before Charlie Kirk was shot and killed, there was a newsletter from the SPLC targeting Charlie Kirk. Now, we don't know if the shooter was directly tied, so I'm not going to say that. But again, this is all out there. Everyone can see this. And we're coming up on a.
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It creates an ecosystem system.
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It creates, it creates the ecosystem. A toxic, disgusting, sick ecosystem that gets people killed. Coming up in a break right back, Jack Posic, Human Events Daily. Talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine, Jack Soic. Where's Jack?
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Jack. He's got a great guy.
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Jack. So we're back live here. Charlie Kirk Studio, Phoenix, Arizona. I'm on with Blake Neff, producer for the Charlie Kirk show. And we are exposing the splc. We are holding the SPLC accountable today the same way we did with the ADL yesterday. Blake, I've got this list here of radical right extremists and, you know, hate purveyors in America. And this, of course, comes from the splc. So let's see who's first on their list. Ben Carson, Dr. Ben Carson.
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I mean, big hate monger.
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I mean, you just, you saw him on stage at Charlie's Memorial Ranching, the Raven.
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It's just endless hatred.
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The Heritage Foundation, Dennis Prager, Prageru. The Federalist Society, Franklin Graham. The Catholic Medical Association. The Alliance Descending Freedom. Focus on the Family. Family Research Council, which we just described had a attempted mass shooting there. Religious Liberty Commission, Liberty Council, Pacific Justice Institute, Leadership Institute, the Ruth Institute again and again. Texas Values Florida Family Policy Council, the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, Moms for Liberty. I just know off the top of my head, I know they went after Moms for Liberty very hard. I believe was last year and this year they had been targeting who. Turning Point usa. They've also gone after Matt Walsh Michael Knowles, Daily Wire those guys again and again and again. And it's. It's completely out of control. And they're sitting on a billion dollars, which, I'm sorry, this. This just has to be rampant fraud.
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Oh, and, you know, there's other stuff you could point to. And this is why it's really galls me that, you know, the Alabama AG's office never seemed to take too much notice of it. A totally forgotten now, but in 2019, there actually was a mini scandal with the SPLC. Their founder, Morris Dees, who I think has been married six. Some extremely high number of times. Five, six. Maybe he's on seven by now, if he's still alive. And he got forced out.
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He's like the Nick Cannon of the left.
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Yeah. And he's the founder. He is the founder of this organization and he gets forced out for like. They don't really say exactly what was going on, but it was rumored there.
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Was a staff revolt they called Systemic Culture of sexism and Racism. Oh, man.
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At the splc. Sounds like a hate group.
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Yeah. So this is actually an interesting.
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I want to finish this real quick.
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This all comes from the left.
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It all came from the left. But to finish it, he gets. He gets booted out. And then this is what's great is the SPLC president, Richard Cohen, he announces that they're bringing in Michelle Obama's former former chief of staff, Tina Chen, to investigate this. You know, do one of those, like, big law firm investigations of what really happened. Now then Richard Cohen himself got the boot. And then, as far as I know, this Chen report has never come out. What did come out is that Chen was the one. I'm not making this up. She made a phone call to the Chicago da, Kim Fox, just before she went and announced that she was going to not prosecute Jussie Smollett for that.
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Right.
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So we have, which is obvious, shady.
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Chief of staff who was involved in letting someone get away with a crime was brought in to investigate the splc, and that investigation has never materialized. There is so much shady behavior that has gone on here, and no one's done it.
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This way. I want to say is that. That current affairs, which is like. Like a communist outlet, actually put out this whole thing about the SPLC's hate map and wrote the Southern Poverty Law center is everything that's wrong with liberalism. It concluded that the hate rap is, quote, map is, quote, outright fraud and, quote, a willful deception designed to scare older liberals into writing checks to the splc. And a former SPLC employee Bob Moser wrote, it was hard for many of us not to feel like we'd become pawns in what was in many respects a highly profitable scam. And this also, by the way, when they went after Magid Nawaz, my friend Magic Nawaz in the uk, they found that the UK actually has something called real libel laws. And he sued and won a $3.3 million settlement with them, who they went after. They also had to walk back their statements on Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And they did actually publicly apologize to Dr. Ben Carson, but they include, again, they included Ben Carson in an extremist file. These people are completely out of control and they're sitting in one of the red estates running a fraudulent scam, raking in $1 billion and part directly partnered with Google, directly partnered with YouTube, and in many cases partnered even with the FBI and members of their own.
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And they're so often used as this bogus source by the media. I'm looking at the same article or.
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Or in a Senate confirmation they would.
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Pop up all of the time. So like the New York Times would cite them all the time where they would say, you know, I'm looking right now at a New York Times article that was about the website vdare. And it just throws in here, sure, the Southern Poverty Law center classifies VDARE as an anti immigration hate website. Okay, so you're basically left wing crazy group classifies this other group as evil hate group and they just casually will do that all of the time. There was a Reuters article from 2019. It just throws in there that the number of hate crime groups rose 30% from 2014 to 2018 according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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On the rise.
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They were on the rise to entrench themselves as this supposedly neutral arbiter of what a hate group is when they're not, they are a left wing hate.
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By the way, I found. So I was digging on there and I said, okay, well let's do remember we did the adl. We were saying let's see what they say about antifa. And there's one, exactly one article on the SPLC website where they mention antifa and it says designated antifa as a domestic terrorist organization is dangerous and threatens civil liberties. If I remember correctly, right after October 7th, the SPLC, not the SPLC main organization, but the Union of SPLC Workers actually took a vote and condemned Israel after the October 7 attacks when they were going in and slaughtering families and little children in the settlements right outside of Gaza and has never gone after these organizations. So they'll talk about, you know, you know, and again, Hamas, these, these actual terrorist organizations. And the SPLC will say, we'll just be either silent on them or the union will say, yeah, they had it coming. They had it coming. It's insane.
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It's just, it's disgusting what they've been able to get away with for so long. And you just have to. You just have to entrench them as categorically not a credible group, not a group anyone is going to listen to. And then we should move on to. This is a group that is a shady at best, a shady grift at worst, something actually more sinister and criminal. And we should find out.
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Charlie or Andrew found. He said there's a Charlie tweet for any everything. And you know, right there, February 2023, the SPLC is a hate group. And unfortunately, there's far too many people who are still citing them. There's people on our side who will cite them or listen to them. Guys, it's done. We're coming for you. We're coming for all of it. The mail fraud, the wire fraud, the money in the Caymans, the lies, the scams. It's done. And any connection with law enforcement has to be cut off. And let's go to Amazon. Let's go to Jeff Bezos. I know Matt Gates mentioned this once to him when he had a. He had him in. Why do you allow a group like this into Amazon? Smile. We are putting you on notice. Blake Neff, thanks so much for being here, brother.
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Where's Jack?
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Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who'd be getting politician. All right, Jack Sobeck, we are back Human Events Daily. We're here in Phoenix, Arizona, and we were in the Charlie Kirk studio. And, you know, we've. It's been, it's been now three weeks since Charlie's murder. And, you know, we were talking in the previous segment about how the SPLC as well as the ADL had targeted Charlie in the days up to, you know, leading up to his death put a turning point on the SPLC hate watch map as well as targeting Charlie even the day before the shots rang out. And a man who I've only just gotten to know recently, but also knew Charlie for a long time and spoke at the memorial with me, I think right after me, actually, and was there with Charlie that day. Joins us now. It's Frank Turek. Frank, how are you?
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Jack? Like you. Grief comes in waves. Some days I'm okay. Other days I don't even want to go on almost, you know, I mean, it's God. God can bring good from evil and is. But still, that doesn't negate the fact that that was such a evil act in a terrible day. And it's just been difficult. But it couldn't be more difficult than what's happening with Erica. And I just keep her in my prayers every day. I know you are, too.
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No, I. I certainly am. And, you know, every chance I get to see her or, you know, other. Other family members, I just try to, I don't know, say you use humor. Try to. Try to find some way to get him a smile or something like that, just to lighten the load a little bit. Just give one moment of, you know, playing peekaboo or whatever it is, not with Erica, but. And.
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Right.
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And you know, it's. You did a. An incredible podcast, and I want you to tell people how to get the podcast where you tell the entire story of how you were there that day because people have had so many questions about it. And I understand that. I've, you know, I want to know what happened. Charlie, too. You tell the entire story from soup to nuts. As we would have said in the Navy, like my fellow shipmate, that not only did you see what happened, you helped put Charlie's body in the back of that suv, which was essentially commandeered, and rode with him to the hospital. And you shared just incredible details of. Of having been there. Tell people and make sure they know where they can get that podcast.
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Sure. Our website is cross examined.org with a D on the end of it, but if they go to the YouTube channel cross examined, two words, they'll see it there. I think the title of it is called the Greatness of Charlie Kirk. An Eyewitness Account of His Life and Martyrdom. And yeah, I was there with Charlie because about five years ago, Jackie contacted me because he had seen that I was going to college campuses. I wrote a co. Wrote a book called I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. So I go to campuses and been doing it for almost 20 years now, presenting the evidence for Christianity and answering a lot of questions. And I guess Charlie just likes some of my answers. And so he reached out five years ago, five and a half years ago, and said, hey, Your ministry has been very pivotal, and I want to learn from you, and, you know, can you kind of mentor me in this? And so he and I would get together this past summer. We got together on four occasions in Phoenix for a couple of days each time just so we could. You know, iron sharpens iron. I mean, it would. You would think it would be difficult to mentor somebody smarter than you, Charlie. Smarter than me, but it's not. Because the only thing that surpassed Charlie's intellect was his humility. And I'm sure he did this with you, too, Jack.
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Hey.
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Well, how would you answer this?
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Better.
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Hey, what do you think about this?
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Right?
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He was always looking to improve himself.
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Yeah. If anything, I would say, you know, when Charlie and I would do our. You know, our Thought Crime show, which would. Which. Today's Thursday, and we would have been, you know, hosting it today. We'll still do a show today. We have something special planned. Actually, you know, I was. If I could say anything, I was sort of Charlie's sparring partner, you know, and we would get up some issue like flag burning or, you know, whatever the hot button issue was going on. And, you know, I would try to take the most opposed side I could, and we would just. We would just go at it, right? You know, we would just be, you know, ripping into each other. And what about this? And what about this and the supreme and just back and forth. And it's like, you know, if he can do that working, you know, you do your sparring, you do your training so that he's totally ready to go there on the college campus, and then, boom. Wait, I remember. I heard that because, you know, that came up before. Like, train like you fight, like we used to say in the Navy. And, I mean, it was. It was absolutely incredible. And little did we know, you know, all that prep work that he did for this tour, and he only made it about two questions in.
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That's right. He was ready to go and excited to go. And so I just tell the story. I was 25ft off his right elbow, and for some reason, people thought, oh, I was signaling the shooter. I was the guy in the white hat. You know, this stupid stuff that people put out on the Internet.
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Like.
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Like, any shooter would need somebody to say, hey, that's Charlie Kirk over there. You know, if the shooter's looking through a scope, he can't see a guy 25ft to his left. Anyway, what's. You know, what's. Anyway, right?
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People didn't realize that you were. You were there because, you were someone who'd been helping Charlie with the tour. You were helping him put it together. The. The content, the debates. That's. That's what your. Your role was, being there.
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Yeah. And look, I was just fine tuning Charlie. He didn't need me as much as he thought he did. Yes, Charlie's brilliant. Right? But I was there. We'd spent the two previous days together, some. Some parts of the two previous days. And he said, I want you just come with me the first event. I said, sure. So we're driving in. We got some drone footage. And I said to him, I said, charlie, I don't like this place. There's too many buildings. And he just kind of shrugged it off because he's brave and he's not going to cancel anything. There's 6,000 people waiting for him.
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Right.
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But I tell the whole story. Everyone probably don't have time to do it here, but I thought about this for a long time, Jack. I always thought somebody was going to take a shot at Charlie at some point. And you and I both being Navy guys, you know that you always have emergency procedures in the Navy. And so I thought to myself, if Charlie's ever shot, what would I do? So I thought about it in advance, and since he was like a son to me, I was going to do everything I could to try and save him if I could. So I kind of forced my way into the back of the suv.
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The.
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The security team was on him immediately, and I just ran with them, and they put him across the back seat, the same SUV we took in there. And I popped the back gate open and got over the back seat. So I'm just looking straight down at him, you know, foot away. And I won't go into detail because I don't want to give Eric any more pain, but we did everything we could to save him, but he wasn't looking at me. He was looking right past me into eternity. He was already with Jesus, Jack. And. And the thing Erica wants everybody to know, and we verified this later when we got to the hospital, was that Charlie died instantly. He didn't. He probably didn't even know he had been hit, at least in his, you know, in his physical self. Soon as, you know, absent from the body, present with the Lord, says 2 Corinthians 5. And Paul says something similar in Philippians. As soon as you are, if you're a believer, as soon as you expire, you're with the Lord. And that's where Charlie was. And so I go into a lot more detail in that podcast again, it's called the Greatness of Charlie Kirk, An Eyewitness Account of His life and Martyrdom. It's on our YouTube channel, Cross Examined. Two words.
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What was. I mean. And that podcast, I mean, when you did it, I mean, you. You put the listener right in the back of that SUV with you. And, and you talk about the one thing that I, I did that is always going to stick with me is that when you got to the hospital and you. And, And I think you were there with Mikey and Danny and they told you to change your clothes and they gave you scrubs.
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Yeah, we. We had to change our clothes for obvious reasons. So, you know, we had Justin driving. Dan's in the front with the GPS on his phone.
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Right.
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Brian's to my right at Charlie's feet. And Charlie was 6 foot 4, as you know. Sorry, is 6 foot 4. He's still 6 foot 4. And we couldn't close the door because he was so tall. So we drove four miles, yanking and bank into the hospital with the door open. To this day, I don't know how Brian stayed in the car, but, you know, he's administering first aid. Rick has basically Charlie's head on the. On my left administering first aid. And I'm over the back seat looking down at Charlie trying to do cpr. And I mean, it seemed like it took forever to get there. I mean, we're. We're on our way there and the ambulance is coming opposite us and there was chatter in the car. Should we stop? No, no, just keep going. And later the doctor said that was the right thing to do. Yeah. Even though he.
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I mean, not that. Yeah, it. I mean, you guys did what you did. The response, being there. And we're coming up on a quick break, but I'll hold you over because I do want to talk about the, you know, what has become of this, but I just want to commend you for being there for Charlie and doing what you did and trying.
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Jack, if you were standing there, you'd have done exactly the same thing.
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Training. Look, your training just kicks in. Yeah. You couldn't say, oh, and you go for it.
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Yeah, you do. Exactly. And anybody that loved Charlie would do exactly the same thing. Right. It's nothing heroic going to the hospital with him. Come on, we'd all do that.
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What he did was heroic.
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D
That's right.
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To record that and tell the story publicly, it. It must have been incredibly hard. And so I wanted to say thank you, Frank, for doing that. We'll be right back Here, Human Events Daily. Jack Posobic, Frank Turek talking about our dear friend Charlie Kirk. We'll be right back. Real America's Voice. Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it. Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event. And we're going to turn it around and make our country great. Amen, Jack. We are back live here, Human Events Daily. We're on with Frank Turek, who was not just an eyewitness to the murder of our dear friend Charlie Kirk. He is someone who rode in the back of the suv, did his best to try to render aid to Charlie after he had been shot. He put out an incredible podcast detailing this and telling the story in full. No breaks. Highly, highly encourage everyone to go and listen to that podcast. And Frank, So, you know, a little over a week after that event, you and I run into each other again. And we had done a, you know, a show talking about. Talking about Brave books, you know.
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Yeah. Kid books.
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A week prior or so. And, you know, which. Which. Which I still love, by the way. And everyone should go check out Brave, especially. They have. They have their. They have a streaming app now. So if you're going to cancel Netflix, you got to go get the, you know, Brave plus they're calling it. And the Kirk. Oh, my kids love it.
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Yeah.
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A
And the memorial. And we end up at the memorial backstage together. Tell me about what you thought about the memorial, not just being up there, but what it has meant for America in the world in the wake of this heinous violence.
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Well, Jack, as you saw, when you have everybody from the president on down talking about the gospel of Jesus Christ, talking about how Charlie is in heaven now, not because anything he did, not even because he died for his savior, but because his savior died for him. When that goes out to 100 million plus people and is still going out, people are still watching it. That's an amazing testimony and an amazing ripple. It's not just a ripple. It's a tsunami of good that has come out of this awful event. I don't know this for sure, Jack, but. Because I don't know the future. But it could turn out. Not that this justifies anything. It could turn out that Charlie's influence will now be bigger than it ever was, even if he had lived. Because it was such. First of all, he was such an amazing man. And this was all caught on video. And people's hearts are broken. Your heart's broken. My heart's broken, but our hearts are now open to the truth. And look, I'm getting emails. I know you are too. I got an email from someone in Sweden the other day who's been an atheist 26 years now. She's a Christian. Denmark, same thing. London, Australia, everywhere. Yes, people are coming to faith because of Charlie Kirk's life. And look, Jack, as you well know, everything we're doing here, while we all love America, America is temporary. It's not eternal. Heaven is eternal. Right. And by the way, that's one of the biggest differences between the Christian worldview and the Marxist worldview. In the Christian worldview. In the Christian worldview, we believe the individual is eternal and the state is temporary. In the Marxist worldview, they think the state is eternal and the individual is temporary. That's why you can sacrifice the individual for the state.
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Yeah, that's so perfect. And it's. And it is inherently anti Christian because it denies the rights of the individual, denies the individuality of the human being. This is why. When communism comes to power, when communism tries to ascend to power, what do they do? The very first group of people that they go after is always the Christians. They go after priests, they go after pastors, they go after people speaking on behalf of Christ in public squares, they go after religious women. And this is a pattern that has existed for hundreds of years. Hundreds of years that you can see over and over and over from the French Revolution and Robespierre and the guillotine, all the way right through the. The Bolshevik Revolution, the Spanish Civil War. This is what they do every single time, is they target the Christians. And so it doesn't surprise me that I would say of all the emotions that I've had since Charlie's death, surprise has not been one of them. Not at all. Because this is what they always do.
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Jack, did I. Did I tell you the text exchange that Charlie had with our mutual friend James Lindsay? Did I tell you this?
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No, I'm not sure.
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This is back in 2023. James is agnostic. He texts Charlie. I'm starting to believe in Satan because I thought about the 100 million people the communists killed in the last century. That's. That's good evidence for Satan. And so Charlie texts back and he goes, well, if Satan, then God.
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And if Satan, then God. Yeah.
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And then James goes, that would follow, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, evil does not disprove God. Evil actually shows God does exist. Because there'd be no such thing as evil unless there was good. And there'd be no such thing as good unless God existed. And so if you're going to say that there's evil out there, you're presupposing a standard of good, which is God. So Satan and evil can't be the metaphysical grounding of reality, because evil is a lack and a good thing. It's not a thing in itself. Evil is like cancer. You know, if you take all the cancer out of a good body, you got a better body. If you take all the body out of the cancer, you got nothing. So the, the essence of reality is goodness, and goodness is God's nature. So Charlie was wise enough to turn the tables on James and say, hey man, if you're believing in evil, you better believe in good. And good is what we mean by God's nature. So many people are starting to come to Christ because of evil, and Christianity is the answer to the problem of evil. If we had never sinned, there'd be no reason for Jesus to leave heaven, add humanity to his deity, and come to earth and pay for our sins. Right, so that's right. Christianity is the answer to the problem of election. That's right.
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And, and, and, and right. If you, if you believe in Satan, then you're a Christian. You just haven't realized it yet. I, I saw one on something on Twitter yesterday where, and I can't remember the name of the account, but it was so good. And it said, scientifically speaking, there is no, there's no scientific basis for cold. Cold is just the absence of heat. Darkness does not exist. Darkness is just the absence of light. And it then also follows that evil is of course, the absence of good. And we are told in the Bible that, that hell is that complete separation from God that you, and by the way, that you have removed yourself from God's love from, and you have rejected God's grace, you have rejected God's message, and then through that, you have separated yourself completely.
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D
Exactly. God's not going to force anybody into heaven against their will. You know, if you don't want Jesus now, you're not going to want him in eternity. And so God rightfully, as you just said, separates himself from the sinner who wants to be left alone. You want to be left alone, you're going to be alone. It's not going to be a pleasant place, but you're going to be alone because you don't want the grace that God provided for you by taking your sins upon himself on the cross.
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And in Dante's Inferno. I've always found it interesting that when you go to the lowest. The lowest circle of hell in Dante's Inferno is very interesting because it's not hot, it's cold. Right? So we hear about the flames and et cetera, but it's actually in Dante's Inferno. It's cold, it's frozen. And. And the lowest rung of hell is for traitors. So Brutus, a traitor to his king, Judas, a traitor to. A traitor to his Lord. And then, of course, the very center of that pit is. Is, of course, Satan himself, Lucifer, a traitor to God. And it's. And it's frozen. It's ice. And that's not usually the way we think of hell. And it's certainly not the traditional, classic medieval depiction of hell. And. And of course, flames are. Are used in the Bible as well. But it was very interesting to describe it that way, because that's what it is, the separation from love. And we all know what that feels like when you. When you. When you. When we lost Charlie. Right. When we lost Charlie, we feel that. We feel that loss, that something is gone, that she should be there, and that. I'm looking at his chair right now. It's right next to me. And that. That is that. You know. You know, I'm not gonna say I was in love with the guy, but the. The. You know, the brother.
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Yeah, you love. We all love. Come on.
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I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was. Well, the Greeks have various words for the word love, so maybe one of those. I'll pick one of those. I don't know if it's agape, but it's one of them.
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That's right.
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Frank, thank you so much for joining us and just being here and sharing the story, it's. It's an unbelievable tale. I thank you for doing it because the world needed to hear it. Tell people again where they can go to get this incredible podcast.
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Go to our YouTube channel. That's the easiest place. Two words, cross examined, examined with a D. And you'll see it. It's just a couple of weeks ago, right after the event. It's called the Greatness of Charlie Kirk. An Eyewitness Account of his life and martyrdom. And then there's a subsequent one about the memorial service. We just did, too.
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Check them all out. Frank Turek, you're a good man. Thank you for doing what you did. You're a Navy veteran, a shipmate. Kooya, ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.
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This is an iHeart podcast.