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Jack Posobiec
This is an Iheart podcast. This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran.
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Megyn Kelly
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobic.
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Jack Posobiec
Christ is is king.
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Megyn Kelly
To be organized and orchestrated chaos.
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Jack Posobiec
They call everybody they disagree with Nazis. I felt like I had no choice but to do what I did.
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Blake Neff
So yeah, kill them.
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Jack Posobiec
Kill the Nazis.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
Condition become right.
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Unidentified Supporter/Announcer
People do get the opportunity to change.
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Jack Posobiec
The whole system through a revolutionary struggle.
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Unidentified Supporter/Announcer
International revolutionary people's guerrilla forces were to.
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Jack Posobiec
Defend social revolutions around the world. We gotta fight it out.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
We're gonna reboot this country in the streets. Liberals get the wal.
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Jack Posobiec
Someday we gotta.
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Unidentified Supporter/Announcer
Knock those control this thing right on their ass.
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Jack Posobiec
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events daily. Today is September 18, 2025 Anno Domini. As you can see, I'm here in the Charlie Kirk studio, Phoenix, Arizona. Got Charlie's mic, Charlie's seat, and indeed Rush Limbaugh's golden EIB microphone sits right here next to me. But we're here on a mission because we've got work to do. President Trump has made the announcement. Executive order will be forthcoming. Antifa is to be designated a domestic terrorist organization. Now of course, the same ridiculous voices on the left are running around telling you there's no such thing as Antifa. Antifa doesn't exist. Antifa is just a figment of some right wing imagination, some right wing fever dream. Well, that's very interesting because you see, I've got thousands upon thousands of hours of video, of documentary evidence, of network information that we put out into an entire book. I wrote about the Antifa stories from within the Black Bloc. In 2021, I infiltrated Chaz. In 2020, I was there when Ras Simone loaded his 9 millimeter. I was racing against people drawing weapons. In the midst of all of this, gone up against Antifa time and time and time again. So today we're going to talk all about the Antifa. Who are they? What are they? Where did they come from? Where are they now? And it's very simple. Antifa, the antifa, anti fascism. This is their creed. This is their marketing strategy. And it always has been a marketing strategy for international communism going all the way back to the original founder of Antifa, Leon Trotsky. The Bolsheviks were the founders of Antifa. Antifa was meant to be the international arm of the communist revolution. And the initial antifa cells were funded and sourced from the COM internal. Communist, international and KGB elements were 1930s Germany and 1930s Spain. This led to destabilization of the Weimar Republic as well as destabilization efforts in Spain that broke out into the Spanish Civil War, which was completely supported by the communists. And it has always been such a. It's pretty simple. They label their opponents fascists and then say that they are the anti fascists fighting against them. But they're just communists and they always have been. And I could sit here for hours going through chapter and verse of how this works. And we need to understand that the right needs to understand what it is that we're up against. And we need the right tools and the right rhetoric, the right words. People say, you know, Posobic, why are you, why are you so focused on words? Why are you so. Why are you pushed back? And why are you so particular about words? Because it's the words that control our thinking. And if we use the right words, then we have the right thinking and we have the ability to create the right policy and the right strategy to actually go after the problem. So how do you go after a problem? The first thing you have to do is diagnose it. What is antifa? How is it that antifa works? What are these decentralized cells? What are these front groups that are used, legal entities, NGOs, nonprofits that are set up in order to support antifa operations. The black blocks that you see in person, but also the financing and funding of legal cover so that when they get caught and they go to trial or, or when they get caught and they get put up, that they have the ability to claim, well, like they did in Washington D.C. that they were mass arrested and that wasn't fair. So then when. So then those charges got dropped. They sued with the help of the ACLU and the city of Washington gave them a million dollars after they attacked President Trump's inauguration in Disrupt J20s first in 2016, 2017 and attacked my party. The deplorable Pete Hegseth was there, by the way. He'll tell you all about it. He was in the streets. I'll be right back because we're going to get into all of this. Jack Posovic, Human Events Daily. Real America's voice stand in our way.
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Unidentified Supporter/Announcer
And our golden age has just begun.
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Jack Posobiec
This is Human Events with Jack Posobic. Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly, truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution. All right, Jack Bosobic, we are back live Human Events Daily. We're here in Phoenix, Arizona and we've got Blake Neff on Charlie Kirk show producer and someone who has with me spent a lot of time talking about the history of Antifa, the background of the, of international communism and these groups as they were in their first iteration, as they were funded directly by Bolshevik Russia, 1930s Germany, 1930s Spain, they were seated. That was what really gave rise to the destabilization of those and of course the Spanish Civil War and then, you know, the, the fall of the Weimar Republic and the start of World War II in Germany. But that's different from understanding what antifa is today. And so, Blake, the first thing that I think we have to address is that these people running around and the left has already begun this mass gaslighting operation to say there's no such thing as Antifa because Antifa is an idea. And by the way, my, the first response you like, we're kind of setting up the debates, I guess, maybe, but also talking about investigative procedures that can be done. The first response is always, well, yes, so is radical Islam. Like Radical Islam is obviously an ideology and there are groups that espouse that. That's what we're going after. It's really not that complicated.
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Blake Neff
Yeah, it's not that complicated. But we should also concede there are, it's, it's complex in the sense that you can't just go out and say like, well, we're going to, you know, blacklist Antifa. And then, you know, you can't send money to the Antifa LLC anymore. There's going to need to be seriousness in the sense that there are specific organizations that adhere to this. There are entities that, you know, operate in legal gray areas or act to aggressively further illegal action. But some actually literally just do go by that name. Like there is an antifa group in Portland, Oregon. It is named Rose City Antifa. I am at their.org page right now. And groups like, and other names like Antifascist Action is one. You'll see a lot of cities have.
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Jack Posobiec
The Seattle one has a name like that.
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Blake Neff
Seattle Antifascist Action is one. Chicago has one.
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Jack Posobiec
Utah. Utah has one as well. And there's also, there's also a number of groups that use the moniker of John Brown Gun Club, Socialist Rifle alliance and that again, they exist for these specific purpose and those exist for the specific purpose of training militant, training with arms and training militant cells for these types of operations. John Brown is sort of proto communist from the Civil War era or pre Civil War era. And so the, the groups do exist and refuse. Fascism is another one, which is of course is just one you know, slight word away from antifa. And the way that you go against these groups. And by the way, though, this isn't actually anything new for the, for the US Government. You know, for example, when, when Rudy Giuliani himself, who has been incredible in the. The fight to purge communists from our institutions and corporations, in terms of, in the wake of Charlie's murder, when he went after the five families of the Mafia in New York, it's not like you just walk up to the mobsters and say, hello, can you give us a list of everyone who was on the mob payroll? Of course, that's not how it works. That's obviously not how it works. And yet. But, and I remember also, by the way, and he tells the story that when he first announced his original investigations against the Mafia, the media also used to say, the Mafia doesn't exist. And yet obviously we know that he did that. And so it's so bizarre to hear.
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Blake Neff
It like, doesn't exist when, for example, in, you know, 2020, they were able to besiege a courthous in Portland for like two months, months on end. And like, there was. There were murders committed, or the murderer is like, by the way, I'm antifa. And they were able to do things like get him in contact with the.
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Jack Posobiec
Guy that was the guy from Portland, Michael. Or was that. It was the victim's name, Michael.
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Blake Neff
I can't remember exactly, but it was the one where Vice knew where the killer was and secured his location.
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Jack Posobiec
And so, yeah, they eventually caught him. I think it was like Olympia Park, Washington, but he had crossed the border, so the marshals went out to go for him. He pulls a gun on them, and then there was no more antifa. That antifa went away. And at least in that instance. And yes, Vice gave him this interview where he calmly spoke to them about how he stalked and targeted a Trump supporter and shot him dead in the street in cold blood because he was wearing a Trump hat and had gone to this prayer meeting, you know, in 2020, just in the middle of the street. And so, and this, these types of symbology, these types of rhetoric, of course, go up to and include the assassination of Charlie, because a number of the bullets, half of the bullets you could say that were in this, in this rifle, had antifa symbology on them. So, hey, fascist catch.
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Blake Neff
I love how they're like, oh, well, that's a reference to a video game. Oh, why do you pick that reference from a video game?
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And. And then bella, ciao itself. So Bella Ciao was an Italian communist song from the, from World War II and has since gone on to become. No, it's, it's a very popular song in its own right. It's, it's, it's good tune.
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Blake Neff
No, I was looking into it and it's so funny because this is so common with a lot of this stuff. It's a fake anti. It's like a fake World War II song. It's just a folk song. And they gave it the anti fascist lyrics like after the war, basically.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So it was. They, they try to. This is what Antifa always does. So for example, when I, when they, when I say Antifa comes from Germany, they'll say, well, yeah, we were fighting the fascists. But that's just not true. No, no, because the original, the original iteration of Antifa was fighting the Weimar Republic and the government. And in fact there were multiple instances, including in Bavaria and other times where they would work with the National Socialists in, in sort of joint efforts, joint operations, joint direct action as they would call it in their parlance, to just do things that would screw with the system or marches or strikes, general strikes. And, and so Bella Chow has taken on. And so they just lie, which I mean, communist. Wow, who knew? And so Bella Chow, that being said, has this dual role of. Yes, it is also a popular, very popular song in Europe. The Netflix show Money Heist has it as sort of the theme song, but it is also the international anthem of Antifa. And you would have to be pretty familiar with Antifa and Antifa symbology to know that that's just not something that the average person would be like. Oh yeah, Antifa and their favorite song. You know, I know about that. It's. I don't. I. It. This may be the very first time that people are even hearing that information. And yet when you're in Antifa, this is something that they fixate on quite a bit. It's, it's, you know, always very romantic. They're always telling stories about the Spanish Civil War and how close we came. We almost had it there. There's also a huge Antifa element that goes to Rojava and in Kurdistan. And so they're, you know, directly tied to a lot of the elements there. There's some ideological connections as well with Ojalon. And to be true, many of the militant members of Antifa would travel to Rojava, would travel to this area of Syria up there in Kurdistan, and receive training from pro Kurdish groups in weapons and in tactics that we know they've come back to the United States and for example, one of them was participating in, in the militant siege of Chaz up in Seattle. So we can see these direct ties all over the place. And by the way, just in that instance right there, there are obvious international ties as well that would really open up what the government is able to do. So, Blake, I think we've established sort of how Antifa works. There are front groups, some groups use the name, some groups don't. But it is a shared ideology and to be sure, shared tactics, which, so having a counterterrorism background from when I was at Guantanamo, something that obviously, funny enough, did you know that terrorists don't usually operate in, in the open, that actually they.
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Blake Neff
Whoa, wait, you can't just go to their office in downtown, like the terror office.
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Jack Posobiec
It's not like the bureau, you know, the bureau of Al Qaeda. It's. No, actually they do this all the time. So this is a very common, a very common procedure and art really to uncovering them. And of course they always lie. I'm not really a member. This is part of their masking of their operations. And so what you have to do is peel that away. And one of the best ways to do that is following the tactics. Because when you see black block, when you see the specific targeting that they do, when you see these what we call tactics, techniques and procedures, ttps. So tracking TTP flow can be another way in terms of, of course, and, and in addition to, of course, the classic money communications network trees, all of that stuff that we're all very familiar with that the government will now be able to use to start mapping out these networks.
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Blake Neff
Exactly, exactly.
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Jack Posobiec
And so I, I think, I think we got two minutes left on this segment. And I think we should also start talking a little bit about how, just how the government has enormous powers that they can bring to bear now.
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Blake Neff
Yeah, and the most obvious thing you can do is like, once you, once you're willing to mark like, oh, this is actually like a highly, you know, problematic, like pro terrorist activity, you know, you can just bluntly be like, yeah, we're going to start looking much more aggressively, you know, if you're directing money towards those ends, if it seems like your primary purpose is to aid those ends. You know, what if we, what if we decided to be like, hey, you know, we're going to actually start thinking about what, why universities are giving honorary degrees to Angela Davis, who basically was antifa in like the late 60s and 70s, helped murder several people.
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Jack Posobiec
Bill Ayers Yeah.
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Blake Neff
Bill Ayers, like, a lot of these people. I don't know if there's any way we can still prosecute these people many years later, because those were all, like, obviously hash jobs that they screwed up.
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Jack Posobiec
Oh, get creative. Yeah, that's. I love. By the way. There's. There's that meme about that. The Wikipedia page of, like, every domestic terrorist. Yeah. On the left is like, social activist is like. Well, no, it's always like. It's always like, early life, goes to college, participates in series of bombings. Yeah. And then it's like it goes to trial, gets out on technicality, gets hired by an Ivy League college. Yeah.
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Blake Neff
Like, Bill Ayers had to, like, flee the country for a while, and then he just came back. And they'll be like, oh, well, like the FBI like, messed up some of the evidence. Okay. I don't think that would have stopped us these days.
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Jack Posobiec
No. And it's. And it's not going to stop us. And. And honestly, I think DHS could perhaps take the lead here, because, again, this is a domestic terrorist organization, and DHS absolutely has the great, great authorities to do. To bring to bear. Right back. Jack Kasoba King events.
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Unidentified Supporter/Announcer
D you talk about influencers. These are influencers and they're friends of mine. Jack. Where's Jack? He's got a great job.
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Jack Posobiec
All right, Jack Posobic, we are back live on Human Events Daily. We're very honored to have Megyn Kelly joining us.
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Megyn Kelly
Jack, how are you?
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Jack Posobiec
It's been a week. It's. It's certainly been a week, but oddly enough, it's like I can hear Charlie's voice, like, in my ear sometimes, and it's just. Keep going, Keep going. Don't stop. Don't worry about me. I'm where God wants me. I'm doing other stuff. I want another. Wherever Charlie is, he's working. We know that.
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Megyn Kelly
No, I know what you mean. Just doing the show today, we talked about so much about Charlie, and then we wrestled before I got here, about, do we do any other news? Do we do, like, regular news? And I was like, there is no way Charlie would want us to skip the Jimmy Kimmel story. You know, like, that's. He'd want us to have this moment of celebration.
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Jack Posobiec
Want it. And he. He'd want all of it. He'd want. He would. Honestly, I. I could even say. Hear him saying, like, okay, Jack, like, take. Take a day. Fine. Talk about what happened. But. But move on. Move on. Don't sit there.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Jack Posobiec
And he. That's who he Was though. It was. It was all about, what's the next thing? What's the next hill to climb? What's the next mountain we're going to conquer? And he would always be looking to do that. He. He would take the. You know, he took Saturdays off, and it was the. But it was the most aggressive day off that you could ever think of. He's like, I'm checking stocks. I'm looking at, you know, this thing, looking at this operation. What's going on? All right, family stuff. Family stuff. Let's go, go, go.
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Megyn Kelly
How did you guys meet?
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Jack Posobiec
How do we meet? I think we met at a cpac, you know, briefly for the very first time. And we just had a mutual contact, you know, and said, hey, Jack, Charlie, Charlie, Jack. You know, and it's like, hey, appreciate your stuff. Put your shoes off. And then you just sort of move on. And then I was at some other event, you know, in like, 16 or 17, and I remember I picked him up at the airport. Funny enough, it was an Ed Martin event, and when he was running the Eagle Forum for Phyllis Schlafly, and he just needed a runner to go to the airport and said, hey, can you go pick up Charlie Kirk? And it's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I met Charlie, you know, a while back. You know, I'll go meet him. And then, you know, you just sort of. You're on the circuit, and then you keep bumping into each other, and then eventually it just sort of. You just sort of realize that you're rowing in the same direction, and you get. You get closer, you know, and it's. It's that. That's my relationship with Charlie, you know, it wasn't this sort of like, you know, hey, let's go hang out and watch movies, kind of play video games kind of relationship.
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Megyn Kelly
No, same, same.
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Jack Posobiec
It's like, let's go. Let's go into battle.
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Megyn Kelly
It's the nature of this business that there will be a bond between the people who are fighting for the same causes as you are. You know, I mean, I feel like this is how you and I kind of became friends, like, over X, after.
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Jack Posobiec
Just being out there and plugging away every day and just seeing.
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Megyn Kelly
But you see somebody's character, you know, you see what they stand for, you see what they. What they fight for. And you can't miss, you know, what somebody actually stands for if you spend enough time online or spend time listening to them. I just saw you at Charlie's Turning Point event in July. Remember that? We saw each other backstage yeah. And we all hugged. We had had a moment, and it was so jubilant. You know, it was such a festive atmosphere. You just would never have known this was hanging in the balance.
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Jack Posobiec
Yeah. I mean, you know, when I think back. So that was. I think that was the last time I actually saw Charlie in person, was that event. And, you know, there's. There's certain things that when you bring them up, it's. It's tough because, you know, they say it comes in waves. And there are times when I'm just like. Just in this past. It's been a week, I guess, you know, where I'm totally fine, and I'm like, let's go. Hey, Antifa. Finally, we've got the. We've got the green light on that, which we've been gnawing on, the chomping at the bit for. For, you know, for years. And, you know, and then I'll. I'll just some. Some thing. Some song or some reference or just a certain phrase, and it's like, oh, Charlie used to always say that, you know, and I don't know about you.
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Megyn Kelly
But I've been, like, refreshing ex all the time for, like, news that it's not true.
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Jack Posobiec
You know, being here in the studio and where we spent and people. You know, the live streams that we did here and, you know, the. You know, just. We would. Hours and hours, you know, Charlie was, of course, famous for, you know, no breaks. No breaks. You know, you'd run to the bathroom and run back. So he would go. You know, we'd go like four hours. And he's like, all right, Jack, you've got it. I'm running the bathroom. And then I'd come back. All right? And then I would. Then he would hold down and then I would go. And we just. But we never stop. And then, you know, coming and being here every day, it's. It's hard, but it's. It's. It helps you focus at the same time, in a weird.
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Megyn Kelly
I feel like it's a healing way.
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Jack Posobiec
Like, I'm kind of like. I think my wife will understand what I mean when I say this. Like, I'm glad I'm just not sitting around at home.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that's right.
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Jack Posobiec
And it. Because when I'm here, I associate it with work and doing the work, but I'll tell you one thing, I just keep waiting for him to come through the door.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, of course. I know. Me too. I'm like, when a news story breaks. Over the past eight days, I've Been like, get Charlie. You know, you'd say that, and he'd always say yes. You could get him. You know, as busy as he was, he'd always say yes. And you just know, like, when you saw. It was so mutual. You knew whenever you saw Charlie Kirk lined up for the day, it was gonna be a great show. It was gonna be an show. He was such a good talker. He was so clever. He was so funny. You know, you'd laugh, you'd hit things hard. You'd have deep, philosophical conversations on whatever issue you wanted to go deep on. He could. There was nothing he couldn't do. And I don't know. I say this completely platonically, but I just fell in love with him, you know, you fall in love with Charlie, to know him is to fall in love with him. I mean, I'm sure you can relate. It's like everything about him was likable and lovable that you can't say that about virtually anybody.
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Jack Posobiec
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
It's like we all have our dark sides, and I. He didn't.
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Jack Posobiec
And it's. It's. It's. I. I still keep, like. It's. It's like, right out of the corner of my ear, and I'm just wa. Because. Because whenever Charlie would burst in and it was a burst, it was like, boom. The energy just gets ratcheted up, and he's like, boom, Boom, boom. Are we up? Are we live? Is this going on? Is this guest coming? Are we taking this feed? Are we on that? Do we have the clips? Do you have it all? And then you just. And then you're in. And it's like you're on a rocket ship, and. And Charlie's driving, and we're all going to this destination, and you better buckle up, because, you know, if you're not on board, like, you're going to get. You know, you're going to get washed over and it was great.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. The first time I saw him in person was at behind the Scenes at a Turning Point event, and I was like, is that. That's his go gear? Like, I knew Charlie didn't do drugs and didn't drink alcohol or anything like that, but I'm like, if you didn't know him, you'd think he was on some sort of massive speedball, because he was just. I got this and I got that, and I can do this. And he knew everybody's name, and he was so well organized.
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Jack Posobiec
You know, he was off caffeine. What he had done, I think for at least a year he hadn't had caffeine. That. That. That cup. That. That's a. That's a mint tea.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that's right. That was a. That was a mint tea. It's selling out right now at Starbucks across the country.
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Jack Posobiec
Megan, I know you've got to run, but thank you. Just thank you for being here Sunday.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, yeah, I'll be there.
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Jack Posobiec
All right. I'll be there.
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Megyn Kelly
Much love to you, Jack. Thanks for having me.
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Jack Posobiec
God bless. Back at you.
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Unidentified Supporter/Announcer
Where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who'd be getting publicist.
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Jack Posobiec
All right, folks, we're back here. Human Events Daily. Real America's Voice want to say thank you to the entire staff at Real America's Voice, as well as Turning Point and. And the Charlie Kirk show, the studio, Just everything that they've been stepping up and doing this entire week, the fact that they've had to deal with unspeakable horror. Many. I'm just going to say it. Many of the people that are working here every day were at the event. Many of the people who were there. Blake was there, and yes, they saw it. And they're still going to. They're still going for Charlie. And someone else who has gone through more than any of us is Mrs. Erica Kirk. And I heard the news last night. Gonna admit I heard the news last night, and I was like. I mean, I had to tie my hands together so that I didn't tweet it out, because I was so excited and I was so happy when the decision came down that Erica Kirk would be named the chair and CEO of Turning Point usa. I mean, if you know Erica, if you've got to meet Erica, and I think people are sort of, you know, publicly getting to meet her for the first time, but she's. She's so warm and so loving and yet so strong. And ever since she became a mother, you can just see this strength that exudes from her. And in the way that motherhood does for. For the best moms, it makes them better people. It makes them more complete. I've seen it. I'm speaking of experience, you know, having seen that same change in my own wife, Tanya Taylor. And, you know, I've seen her a few times as well. In the wake of this and the way she's dealing with it, the tragedy the grief, but also the anger and the resolve, the fortitude to understand that we stay the course, that Charlie's mission is now our mission. And Charlie wanted her. Charlie wanted her to do this should anything happen to him. He said that. And it's the right pick, not only for the organization, not only for. To honor Charlie, but it's the right pick because she's the right person to fill that role. And I think, in a way. In a. In a way that perhaps only he understood that when Charlie first picked Erica to be his wife, to, you know, get together, get engaged, that he knew, he could see it in her, that she had everything, absolutely everything, to take the reins, to carry his torch. And so we are going to do everything that we can. I know I'm going to do everything I can to support Turning Point, to continue to support Turning Point, to step up and make sure that all of the interest and the outpouring of generosity that's been flowing to the organization makes it so that Charlie's mission never ends, that the work never ends, that the fight never ends. That is absolutely what Charlie would have wanted. And it's just incredible to see. It's amazing that she even has the ability to do this. And I couldn't be happier in the sense that. The sense that I don't want any of this to happen. But I couldn't be happier that this was the move that the organization made and that she has accepted. I want to bring on our next guest now. I'm told that we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is joining us. Senator, are you there?
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
Hey, Jack. How you doing, brother?
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Jack Posobiec
Senator, thanks so much for. For being here. I'd love to get your reaction, if possible. I know that you know, Charlie and Erica to this. This news that Erica Kirk will be taking the reins at Turning Point.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
Well, I. I had the privilege of knowing Charlie, you know, very well, Erica. I didn't get the privilege of knowing her like I wanted to. Just met her a few times. But, of course, what a perfect. What a perfect individual to carry on her husband's legacy. I. I think one of the. One thing all you need to see doesn't know, the relationship that Erica had with. With Charlie is when Charlie announced to the world that he was engaged to her. And the look on her face. The look on her face when he walked in saying, I can't do this. I can't do this with you looking at me like this. And she just had this love, and it's all about him and who he was. And then. And Then to see her strength when she stood up and addressed the world and, and you saw the turning point USA's chapters just go through the roof of people wanting to, to, to be part of it. There's no question that she needed to take the reins, that she was the right person. And, and Charlie saw strength in her. Charlie, they both had a vision and a love for the outreach because it was outreach that Charlie had. Charlie reached out to the young people, reached out to the world, preached the gospel, would witness to anyone, was a mentor and by his side, actually, I would say hand in hand, hand in hand, they did it together. And so this is the right move and this is the direction that Turning Point is going to go global.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, you know, I think that's right. And I haven't really revealed much of what's going on behind the scenes, but I've even been fielding a lot of those requests and messages from overseas, particularly in Europe, but also in, in Asia, South Korea and Japan where Charlie held his last couple of stops as a, as a matter of fact, where people are saying, how do we start turning points over here? How do we do it? How do we get involved? How do we get so, so actually the, you know, the, the, the organization is going to be even bigger than when Charlie was at the helm. And I think that, I think that Erica is absolutely the person to make sure that whatever comes next, that this organization stays true to those ideals that, that Charlie builded upon and to be sure the entire team is staying on. Everyone who built this thing is behind Erica 100%.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
And Jack, this isn't just about Charlie Kirk's legacy. This is to continue the movement. This is to continue what Charlie built. Charlie wouldn't want it about his legacy. He wants to see that the mission that he started, the vision that he started, continues and grow. Because it wasn't too long ago that Charlie, he wanted to be on every campus, high school campus in the United States. I think there's somewhere around 23,000 plus campuses in the United States. And the last time I checked, the last time I saw Andrew put out a, put out a message out on, on X, there was something like 57,000 request for Turning Point USA chapters. I don't know how.
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Jack Posobiec
And that number, that number changes by the minute. So I know we only have a couple of minutes with you left. I did want to ask you, we do have news of the day. And I can hear Charlie in my ear saying, Jack, Jack, don't, don't, don't forget to ask the senator about the news today. So this, this rule change regarding the president's nominees, many of which have been languishing in terms of confirmation. Talk to us about this new Senate rule change and how important it is.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
So what we're doing is restoring the norms of the Senate, the history. Jack, real quick, 98%, actually over 90% of non essential, which I mean they're all essential, but I non cabinet members, non judicial members, what we call civilian noms, where over 90% was voice voted since Obama. The first time that didn't happen, or I say previous to Obama, the first time it didn't happen is when Trump was in office, only 60% of his civilian noms went through. And this is the first time ever in history that no one, not one single person has been able to go through by voice or unanimous consent. So Chuck Schumer has went nuclear on the Senate have done now is we've said, okay, since you're not going to let the norms continue, we're going to do a rules change. Leader th made this very clear at the beginning of Congress. He said we can either do this hard way or we can do this easy way. Chuck Schumer decided to do it the hard way. We're responding to it at, in probably 15 minutes or within 15 to 30 minutes from right now, we'll do the first in block where we're going to confirm 48 individuals at once for these nominees. We're going to come back later and do 103 on another en bloc. We will have all the backlog done by the time we get probably mid October and then we'll be waiting on the president to send us more noms. We will be able to get everybody that he has, he has on the list. As long as that paperwork is done, we'll be able to get them through almost immediately.
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Jack Posobiec
Well, Senator, that's incredible. I mean, you look at these nominations and the fact that here we are sitting in September, President Trump made the nominations over a rolling course of weeks at the beginning of the year. That was all the way back in January. I mean, it's, it seems inconceivable, I think to the average American to say, wait a minute, you know, what's the government doing? How's the agenda being? Working for it, work forward. And they're still having open positions that exist all so many months, almost 10 months now into the administration. This is what the people voted for. Right?
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
Well, but, but Chuck Schumer, you got to remember what's going through Chuck Schumer, his mind Is, is that the American people got it wrong. I know best. So instead of giving the American people what they chose by saying, we want Trump's administration and kick out the bombs from the Biden administration, Chuck Schumer is saying, you got it wrong. We're going to slow roll this and keep these, keep these Biden appointees in place. That's, that's not what the American people want. That's why they kicked the Democrats out of control last November. And in 12 months from that election that happened last year, we're going to have President Trump's people in place and continuously putting this country back on track.
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Jack Posobiec
And that's what it is. Because, of course, going into midterms, we'll start up very soon the political process. One third the Senate as it is. It's very simple, I think. And talk to me about this, though, Senator. The idea that it's that people are saying, you know what? Those were the new norm. It's got to get thrown out the book about the window because these senators, these Democrats, are sitting there trying to hold up the process and they know they're doing so on purpose.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
Yeah. It's about having to go around the obstruction is. So many of these people have had too much pride in the name being a senator and they forgot that they're serving the American people. The title means nothing. It means nothing. If you're not doing what's best for America, you are serving yourself. And that is what's happened up here with the old guards like Chuck Schumer that has forgot what his role is. He's to support what the American people chose. American people chose President Trump to lead this country in the direction which is completely opposite to what his radical Democrats did. And instead he thinks he's more important than the voters of the United States. And so we are. Leader Thune has a different mindset than, than, than a lot of other leaders have been up here. He's going, we're going to restore the norms. We're going to get the Senate working for the American people again. And that's exactly what has happened that hasn't happened in quite some time. We've had leaders on both sides that, that was interested on their direction that they thought America should go to, rather than leading, allowing the American people to choose the agenda, and then we're to carry out the agenda that they chose.
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Jack Posobiec
You'd think that would be simple, but as we know, when the power flows from the people to Washington, D.C. suddenly that town, the beltway up there, has a way of Making the simple so much more complex.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
It's the way that the Senate is set up. I mean, I'd love to. I feel honored. To be in the Senate is not my life. It's not what I, that's not what I'm going to do my whole life. But it's an honor to serve. But the way that it is set up different than the House. The House, you can, you can be a chair of a committee because you get more people to vote for you. And you. So by a. So by. When you're a sophomore, you can become a chair of committee. The way it works here in the Senate is the longer you sit on the committee, you'll eventually become the chairman. That doesn't mean you're the best person for the position. You just outsource lived everybody else. When they get there, it becomes territorial. They feel like they've earned it because they sat there longer than everybody else. And that's when their own personal agenda gets in the way of the American people's agenda. And I'm not throwing any colleagues underneath the bus. It's just that Leader Thune has said now we're moving a different direction. We're going to work for the American people. And he is doing everything he can to make sure that the Senate works efficiently for the people again. And I, I am thrilled to be able to be part of it.
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Jack Posobiec
That's right. Look, we've got operational control of the border. I think now it's time that we ought to take operational control of the federal government. So thank you, Senator, for your hard work on behalf of the American people, the American voter, the American taxpayer as well. God bless, Senator, and Godspeed, Jack.
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Senator Markwayne Mullin
Thank you. And I'll see you Sunday, brother.
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Jack Posobiec
I'll see you. We'll be, we'll be there. Wouldn't miss it for the world. And that's right, folks. This Sunday, of course, as everyone knows, the memorial for Charlie Kirk, the funeral for Charlie Kirk, we've set up and established fightforcharlie.com so if you're trying to come, look, I, I understand it's going to be very, very, very well attended. This will be the largest event in Turning Point history. The first full stadium show or, you know, event that has been held for Turning Point. And even if you can't come, you want to support. There are ways to do that on fightforcharlie.com and of course, every single bit of that is appreciated because all of it, all of it goes towards making sure not only the Charlie's legacy is honored, but that Charlie's legacy continues. And the best way to do that is to continue the work of Turning Point usa, taking his life's work. And think about that for a minute. This is Charlie's life's work, his turning point. It's his legacy. It is what he leaves on the world. Perhaps, perhaps one day Erica will be able to pass it on to the children if they want. You know, that's a story for another day, as they say. But that's what Turning Point is. Turning Point was always meant to be passed on to the next generation because it was all about investing in the next generation, training the next generation, finding those leaders, finding that talent that was able to come up, that believed in the truth, that believed in American principles, that believed in the American nation, that believed in the American Founding Fathers, that believed in our religious heritage, the heritage of the Holy Bible, upon which all of Western civilization rests. Something, by the way, that we've been slipping away from. And I know that Charlie, and certainly I have been calling this out for months prior to his assassination. And so that's why this event on Sunday is so important, because we are in the Turning Point. We're in it right now. It's going to be covered on all the news. It's going to be in all of it. Everyone's going to be seeing it. But again, as important as this event is, there is a possibility that the event is a failure. And what do I mean by that? Sure, there's going to be a lot of people there. There's going to be incredible speeches. But if you want this event to be a success, which is what we all want, you must turn your anger and your sorrow into action. You must take those emotions, take the horrific evil that was visited upon the Kirk family and turn it into something good. Turn it into something true. Turn it into something real. Get motivated, get active. And if there isn't a Turning Point chapter in your school or in your high school or even in your area, I don't know if they have local Turning Point chapters yet, but might as well just have to do them anyway. Sorry, Tyler. I just invented something. I just created more work for you. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do all of it for Charlie. And I'm very pleased to announce that just minutes after Senator Mark Wayne Wolin has stepped off camera here, the U.S. senate has just unanimously established October 14th as the National Day of Remembrance for Charlie Kirk. October 14th is Charlie's birthday. I couldn't think of a day that's More fitting than that. And I certainly hope we'll see. That seems like that could be a good day for Erica to head to Washington, D.C. to posthumously receive the Presidential Medal of Freedom for her husband. They might do it this Sunday. We'll see. But if they don't do it this Sunday, I would say do it, then do it in Washington so that Charlie has one. The same way that Rush did. The highest civilian honor that the President can bestow. And show me someone who deserves it more than Charlie. Yeah. Can't you? Absolutely can't. So that's my message. Get activated, get focused. And when it comes to antifa, be warned, you are on notice. I wasn't being facetious earlier when I said the Department of Homeland Security could play a huge role here. Domestic terrorism, domestic extremism. This is a massive, massive role for dhs. They have authorities, they have operations that can be brought to bear against the various constellation of organizations and front groups that constitute the antifa threat. Yes, obviously, Antifa is an ideology. It is an ideology shared by various groups that are organized, some who use the name, some who don't, to perpetuate domestic terrorism and domestic terrorist ideology in our country. And it will be rooted out, root and stem, from our nation because they declared war on our nation. They shot and killed Charlie Kirk. I saw a leftist murder. Charlie Kirk. And I saw them celebrate it. I saw a leftist murder. Charlie Kirk. And I saw them celebrate it. We all did. And fix that in your mind, the singular point, this has gone mainstream. And there are operatives, there are individuals, there are groups, there are funding networks. All of it will be disrupted. All of will be cast asunder. There will be not one brick left of this edifice when we are done. It's really simple. Leave now. If you're a member of one of these groups, if you're involved in this type of activity, walk away. Do the right thing. Maybe. Maybe you could even help us remember, whoever flips first gets the best deal. So we'll see. We will see. But I promise you this. If you don't, you will not see us coming until it's too late. Because we're not going to stop at all. Until one night, get a knock on your door, and then it's time to go. Sleep tight. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay short. This is an I Heart podcast.