Human Events with Jack Posobiec, September 19th, 2025

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Episode: Human Events with Jack Posobiec, September 19th, 2025
Host: Jack Posobiec
Guests: Mike Cernovich, Eric Trump, Tucker Carlson
Location: Phoenix, Arizona, Charlie Kirk Studio
Date: September 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Human Events with Jack Posobiec" is an emotional, impassioned reflection and roundtable in the wake of the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a major conservative youth leader and founder of Turning Point USA. Jack Posobiec hosts Mike Cernovich, Eric Trump, and Tucker Carlson for a candid and spiritually-charged discussion about Charlie's legacy, the state of political and spiritual warfare in America, the escalation of violence against conservative voices, and how the movement should respond in honor of Charlie’s memory.

The tone oscillates between grief, anger, spiritual reflection, and renewed resolve, framing the current moment as a pivotal turning point for the American conservative movement and for religious freedom.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Remembering Charlie Kirk: Leadership, Legacy, and Generosity

Timestamps: 02:56–08:34

• Charlie Kirk’s Approach to Leadership:
  • Charlie was described as “a young man in a hurry…with ambition, Christianity, and moral grounding.” (Mike Cernovich, 03:19)
  • Unlike many, he was generous with his platform, actively supporting both rising youth and established names by subsidizing students to attend events and investing donations back into the movement.
  • “Charlie's never about [making it about himself]…He would say, ‘How do I use [donor money] to grow the organization and do something for the people, the kids who are trying to come up.’” (Jack Posobiec, 06:20)
• Contrast with Other Generations:
  • Charlie believed in real-world activism, in contrast to younger generations raised in digital spaces.
  • Cernovich warned of the “techno gnosis,” a spiritual affliction of detachment from the physical world. (05:39)

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2. The Spiritual Stakes and “Memento Mori”

Timestamps: 12:03–23:32

• Meditation on Death:

  • The suddenness of Charlie Kirk’s assassination led to deep spiritual reflection.
  • “You get, you know, I'm getting up there in years now. When you're younger, people be like, ‘Tomorrow’s not promised, you could die any day.’…And you realize, oh, wow, this is true.” (Mike Cernovich, 12:58)
  • The importance of being right with God and living with ambition and integrity, knowing death can come at any moment.
  • “You need to meditate on your death the way the samurai did…Every day I meditate on death…That’s not morbid, it’s liberating.” (Mike Cernovich, 18:23)

• Charlie’s Christian Focus:

  • Charlie was described as conducting “secret revivals” at his events by repeatedly turning discussions to Christ.
  • “It was like special operations, get everyone together, and that's the boom—hit them with the gospel.” (Jack Posobiec, 17:36)

• Unity and Spiritual Fatherhood:

  • The call for unity in the movement, with spiritual leadership modeled as a father who “says I'm in charge…I'm the dad, and that's a father, and you're the kid.” (Mike Cernovich, 20:03)
  • “A spiritual work of mercy is admonishing the sinner…It's not ‘I'm better than you’…it's mercy.” (Jack Posobiec, 20:08)

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3. The Escalating Threat: Lawfare and Violence Against Conservatives

Timestamps: 27:08–39:40

• Eric Trump on Systematic Silencing:
  • “They tried to silence us for the last 10 years. They put gag orders on my father…They raided our homes. They weaponized the FBI, the DOJ. They came after us every single day.” (Eric Trump, 28:11)
  • Eric details how political and legal attacks preceded escalating physical violence, connecting Charlie’s assassination to a long campaign of suppression.
  • “They wanted to silence the greatest movement and the top voices…they put a bullet because they wanted to silence the greatest movement and the top voices of that movement.” (Eric Trump, 31:02)
• A Global Impact:
  • The “unintended consequence” of Charlie’s death was making his voice even larger—citing mourning marches even internationally.
  • “Doing what they did was the greatest unintended consequence…they actually gave Charlie a bigger voice.” (Eric Trump, 33:50)

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4. Evil, Slander, and the “Spiritual War”

Timestamps: 40:03–47:47

• Tucker Carlson on the Nature of Evil:
  • “Whatever this is, is the face of evil…Charlie was murdered because he was proclaiming Jesus.” (Tucker Carlson, 40:41)
  • Evil operates first through slander, which enables violence: “The nature of evil is slander…Physical violence is its natural outgrowth.” (Tucker Carlson, 42:06)
• The Power of Prayer:
  • Despite mass tragedies, society discourages prayer, which Tucker and Jack frame as evidence of spiritual warfare.
  • “Prayer causes pain to demons…Who would want you to stop praying?” (Jack Posobiec, 44:08)
• Honesty as Spiritual Armor:
  • “The more honest you are, the more courageous you become. The truth is…when you make the decision internally—I’m not going to lie anymore—you become so much more powerful.” (Tucker Carlson, 47:42)
  • Forgiveness and self-awareness are essential weapons in this struggle.

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5. Sex, Society, and Decline

Timestamps: 52:39–59:35

• Sexual Sin as a Civilizational Threat:
  • Discussion of the “transgender” identity of Brett Kavanaugh’s attempted assassin leads into broader critique.
  • “Sex is a direct, express route to your soul…The joy of sex is you expose your deepest parts to another person.” (Tucker Carlson, 53:34)
  • “The trans thing is obviously evil…But it's all sexual sin destroys people and it destroys your society.” (Tucker Carlson, 54:18)
  • “If you can't say that the people who run OnlyFans are bad and they're getting rich on sex slavery... then don't tell me you're conservative.” (Tucker Carlson, 57:32)
• Personal & Societal Responsibility:
  • Problems are not the fault of foreign powers, but a degenerated culture: “Our problems are not Israel’s fault. Or Iran’s. They’re our fault. And that is the truth.” (Tucker Carlson, 58:22)
  • The need to “reorient around honesty and truth and create a meaningful hierarchy of concern and threat.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Charlie's character:

“This was a young man in a hurry. He was starting wherever he could...He wasn't thinking, ‘give me all this free stuff.’ Charlie was a uniquely talented person.”
— Mike Cernovich (03:19)

On spiritual awakening after Charlie’s murder:

“You're going to die. 1. Are you prepared to meet Christ? Are you prepared for the Judgment Day? I think is a question that a lot of people were having.”
— Mike Cernovich (13:21)

On unity and leadership:

“You know who brings unity? The father. Dad says I'm in charge.”
— Mike Cernovich (19:59)

On losing moral ground:

“There was an inversion of morality to where somehow we had given the left moral authority. We'd allowed them to scold us…They're going to kill you, dude...they're going to mock your children…This is the evil that you're up against.”
— Mike Cernovich (18:23–19:56)

On the spiritual role of prayer:

“Prayer causes pain to demons…Who would want you to stop praying?”
— Jack Posobiec (44:08)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Charlie Kirk’s early leadership & generosity: 03:14–07:11
• The significance of real-world vs. online activism: 05:22–06:20
• Spiritual meditation and mortality (“Memento Mori”): 12:58–18:23
• Eric Trump on lawfare and escalating violence: 28:11–33:50
• Tucker Carlson—on evil, slander and spiritual warfare: 40:14–42:06
• Calls to prayer and spiritual unity: 44:08–45:40
• On sexuality, moral decline, and OnlyFans: 52:39–57:32

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Conclusion & Episode Tone

This episode is a call to spiritual and political arms: a mix of mourning, anger, reflection, and determination in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination. The conversation emphasizes the spiritual war underlying America’s political crisis, the need for unity, honesty, and integrity, and the pledge to continue the fight for religious and personal freedom.

“We never stop the fight. We do it in honor of Charlie.”
— Eric Trump (37:50)

Listeners are encouraged to meditate on death, seek spiritual renewal, reject cultural demoralization, and stand unified in the face of evil—fulfilling what the hosts and guests see as Charlie Kirk’s legacy.

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[End of Summary]

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[Jack Posobiec]

Christ is king. All right, folks, Jack Posobic. We're live here. Human Events Daily, Phoenix, Arizona, Charlie Kirk studio. Joining me, first time, first time in person, Mike Cernovich.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, we. We took the trip out. Wouldn't miss that. Wouldn't miss Charles Memorial for the world.

[Jack Posobiec]

Appreciate you being here, man.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, yeah. And everybody, I think everybody has to, Everybody has to come together. And that was what Charlie was good at, was. Was great at. Because you think about how many people. Alex Clark, Channel. You have all these 24. And they're like, okay, this is the iteration of Charlie that always existed.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Mike Cernovich]

And whereas with you or me, like, no. Or, you know, talker here earlier. No, this was a young man in a hurry. This was a young. A young man of ambition. And in addition to the Christianity and moral grounding of it, I just wish more people, especially younger men, would. Would take away that message. Where. This was a young man in a hurry. He was starting wherever he could. He wasn't thinking, give me all of this free stuff. Because you see this online a lot of times, guys like, why don't I have the six figure job? I don't have this dude. Charlie didn't have this. And Charlie was a uniquely talented person. Charlie was hitting up Foster.

[Eric Trump]

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[Mike Cernovich]

Wasn't on an elevator for 15 grand or 17 grand. I think the story goes where Charlie did an elevator pitch, gets his first few checks. And then Charlie, I think he told.

[Jack Posobiec]

Me once it was a stairwell, like, like he like, blocked him on the stairs.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah. And it was 17 grand or 14 grand, but it was, it was somewhere in that range.

[Jack Posobiec]

And Charlie was a tall guy.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, exactly. Foster. This guy. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's like security. But no, he's like, all right.

[Mike Cernovich]

And then Charlie was flying people out.

[Jack Posobiec]

Listen to him.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's the thing, too, is that because people miss this, too, that Charlie would be generous with his platform.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And. And that's something that you don't see a lot where someone gets a platform. And then it's like, boom, this is me. This is all about me. And I'm. But Charlie's never about that. And plus, because Charlie, this is something I was. I was having a conversation with when I cited CNN last week. First time. First time. And. And she was nice. She was nice off camera. I thought she was fine on camera. And. And people thought she was doing a gotcha. I don't think she's doing a gotcha. And. But I said something. I said, you know what's interesting? To Charlie, just generationally speaking, he wasn't Gen Z. He was close, but he wasn't Gen Z. He still believed in the real world.

[Mike Cernovich]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And so that was chapters, that was grounded, that was setting up tables, that was being on campus as he was. He believed in the real world. But you do see that so much more with the. With the generation that's coming up in. It's the online world is the real world. And the real world is like de minimis compared to that.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah. The techno gnosis that. The spiritual affliction precisely taking over the entire country. Even Gen X or tech bro. People where they see a beautiful landscape and they go, we need to put solar panels over here and take away nature and we all need to live stacked up like bugs. But now I was thinking about. So Charlie, you know, he does rnc, he raises money. He was always flying people to things. All people. People don't people. That's the thing. That's what frustrates me about all of this, is that you. They see Charlie at a given point in time and they don't realize, no, he was flying commercial and he flew all those kids out for the Black Leadership Summit and the White House. That was all Charlie doing it. Blexit. That was Charlie doing it. You. You talk about how many did the.

[Jack Posobiec]

Events when he did the events. If you were a student, especially if you were a chapter student, you were. Your ticket was subsidized. Your ticket and your hotel and even your airfare could be subsidized through a turning point. So he would take donor money and. And it wasn't like you would put it in his pocket. He would say, how do I use this to grow the organization and do something for the people, the kids who are trying to come up. So when I was coming up in college, we did nothing like that. I was a. I was in the College Republicans, right? And we got like a box. We got like a box from the big party. So here's your box and there's like a banner in it and like a clipboard. Oh, thank you. Thanks so much. I really appreciate that. And then figure it out. So we had no turning point. And you just. You didn't have that. Whereas Charlie. So it's like, where's all the money going? Where's all the money going? Karl Rove and. Oh, Karl Rove, by the way, I love his op ed. It wasn't them. It wasn't them.

[Mike Cernovich]

Talk about Charlie's name in vain.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, seriously. Let's. Let's call that the first commandment of this, Thou shalt not take Charlie Kirk's name in vain.

[Mike Cernovich]

And that was again, the big threat that Charlie poses. People think that they can be isolated in an island and they're logged online and that a brain becomes reprogrammed. It becomes a worship of gnosis. This is a spiritual component that I think the greatest spiritual affliction people have is not being embodied anymore.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Mike Cernovich]

And they're, they're connecting to the Internet and then they get a little bit of fame. And that's what you see Charlie never fell into was. When Charlie built things out, all he could think about was how he could build out everybody else. From if you're a college kid, a high school kid, to even if you're a big name.

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This is human event with Jack Sobeck. Now it's time for everyone to understand what America first truly means. Welcome to the second American Revolution, Jack Sobeck, back live, Charlie Kirk Studio, Turning Point usa. You're looking at the vigil right now out front. I'm here in studio in my seat, of course, not in Charlie's seat that's empty, but next to Charlie's empty seat, we got Mike Cernovich joining us now in the studio for the very first time. Mike, we've been going through all this and one of my favorite things about you is that you can go small and you can go deep, but you can also go wide. And your big picture view is always so interesting to listen to. Where are we at right now?

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, the, the, the, a lot of it is, is energy and vibe and feeling it and the, the cosmic shift when that happened, when that was already forming, of course, when Charlie died. It crystallized a moment for everybody that it seems trite, right? Like, you know, you get, you know, I'm getting, getting up there in years now. When you're younger, the people be like, oh, you know, you, tomorrow's not promised. You could die any day. And you're just like, shut up, old man. You know, get out. What are you talking about? And then a lot of people, especially young people, realize like, oh, wow, this is, this is true. This is a guy that I was just watching and he's gone. And he had everything going for him. The next moment isn't promised for me at all. So we have all this debate about is AI going to take the jobs and is this and the techno gnosis forming and everything else, but you're like, you're gonna die. You're gonna die. 1. Are you prepared to meet Christ? Are you prepared for the Judgment Day? I think is a question that a lot of people were having. But it's easy. The devil, the way the devil tricks us. I read this great little orthodox fable where they. I'm not gonna repeat the whole story, but the, the, it's like the Aesop packaging wrap up. And the devil gives us with our curiosity, oh, yeah, go read that book on Buddhism and go read that book on Christianity and try that out. What flavor of Protestantism do you want? And well, maybe that's flawed. What about Catholicism? What about Orthodoxy? And you're endlessly lost in curiosity. And that's where the devil, that's where.

[Jack Posobiec]

The devil keeps you to the Tree of Knowledge.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah. Because you're just, you're there and you feel like you're making traction, but you're actually not. You're spinning your wheels and then boom, you're dead. And, and now it's, now it's judgment. Right. And I think a lot of us, myself included, are reminded. Reminded that Judgment Day is coming for all of us. He came for Charlie Kirk, who's a better person than I was. I'm not going to even pretend that that isn't true.

[Jack Posobiec]

Best of all of us.

[Mike Cernovich]

So getting your soul right one, I think is the big picture. A lot of people realize that's why churches were full. Our friends volunteered at church and they said, you better get here early.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's been like it was like Easter Sunday.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah. So. And the religious thing get your, get your soul right. And, and I don't get into this, I don't get into ecumenicalism. I'm not going to say everything's right. I don't get into what is right. I always say, you go to church and figure out for yourself. I'm not here to do Christian apologetics, but Judgment Day is coming quicker than you know. Antichrist is already here, right? Everybody's obsessed with prophecies and all these is here. Antichrist is here. Judgment Day is coming when you don't know. The, the second thing that I think a lot of people realized was that you need to have ambition in life. You need to do things in life. Also because of the death. Josiah Trum had a great homily on death with Tucker that I think the orthodox Christians and Catholics do well, even though it's called like idolatry. Because it's not because they're like, why they have these pictures of the dead. We as, as a culture have become too. We become in denial of our physical death, of our physical bodies and a denial of our soul. So we just live. We. Especially if you live in suburbia. Oh, I got a cool life. I walk into air conditioned studio from an air conditioned car. I barely even break a sweat in the day. I don't even go to the gym. I'm hungry, I eat what I want. And we're living in denial of deprivation. We're not fasting, we're living in denial of death. And, and that the, the Charlie Kirk thing shook everybody. You're. You're gonna die. And that, that's something that, again, it could sound trite if you're younger. Oh, shut up. Well, you know, shut up, old man, or whatever. But you, you are gonna die. So you are, you do need to face the judgment of God. And then secondly, as your soul is departing the body, as you're floating away, what's that moment gonna be like for you? Are you gonna think, you know what? I left an impact on this world. I did things like, I was here on a spiritual journey from God. My soul was embodied spiritual test. A test. And I worked to sanctify my soul, which people can read my Twitter and think, oh, what do you do? Hey man, I'm not trying to, like, I'm not trying to claim, I'm saying.

[Tucker Carlson]

Go to the priest.

[Mike Cernovich]

I'm not the priest. I don't want anybody to be like, oh, I read you and I know and I completely understand. That's my own struggle too. That's my own struggle against my own sins and vices and everything else. But, but it, but it is a good reminder. Like, oh, am I leaning into pride too much? Am I leaning into E too much? Am I. Because you can have a militancy about you and a warrior aspect about you, but it has to be for a higher cause. And that's the sublimation of ego. So that's what, that's what Charlie did. Charlie built up all these big things, not to glorify himself or to create an idol of himself, but to glorify God.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie Kirk.

[Mike Cernovich]

It was the glorify God, though, even. Even more deeper than Turning Point or even more deeper than the country.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, when you listen, when you go back, and Andrew Colvett's been talking about this too, when you go back and watch these, you know, you know, it was billed as like a political debate, but then when you're going to watch it, you say, wait a minute, he's. He's slipping Christ in there as much as possible. And every question, he turns it back to that. So it was like. It was like a black op, right? It was like special operations, get everyone together, and that's the boom. Hit him with the gospel boom. Hit him with the word boom. Hit him with this. This was like. It was like a secret revival happening right in front of our eyes.

[Mike Cernovich]

Revival is great. And I think the other bigger, the, the bigger macro trend, I think on the micro, everybody has realized, memento mori. You need to. You need to meditate on your death the way the samurai did. Not, as in a negative thing to.

[Jack Posobiec]

Feel the way of the Bushido. The first step is your step towards death.

[Mike Cernovich]

Every day I meditate on death. Every day I imagine a thousand arrows be thrust into me, Right? Every day you meditate on death. And if you're not of a spiritual mind, you think, well, that sounds morbid, but I think it's the op. Charlie. Meditate on death. Often, yes. People think, oh, no, no. Meditation on death does not mean you're dreading death. You're just waking up every day that I could be struck down today. And I think the geopolitical trend, at least within America, in American Christians, is recognizing that there was a inversion of morality to where somehow we had given the left moral authority. We'd allowed them to scold us. Oh, don't fire Jimmy Kimmel. What about. What about print? They weaponize little slivers of Christianity, but they're going to kill you, dude. The people telling you how to express your Christianity and how to live your values and how to create it, they're going to kill you. They're going to kill you, and then they're going to piss on your grave. They're going to mock your Children, they're going to wish that terrible things happened to them. This is. This is the evil that you're up against. So in what world do you let these Decepticons, these subversives, these people who are clearly tools of the demon, make you feel insecure about how you express your Christianity when. When that's what they want for you? So you see this now happening, especially in the conservative Christian right, where they go, dude, they killed Charlie. I don't want to hear you meddlers. I don't want to hear you scallywags. I don't want you common skulls telling us how we need to live and how we need to express our Christianity and how we need to build America, because.

[Jack Posobiec]

Unity.

[Mike Cernovich]

Unity, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Need unity.

[Mike Cernovich]

You know who brings unity? The father. Dad says I'm in charge.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Mike Cernovich]

I love you, and I'm going to raise you and look out for you. But I'm the dad, and that's a father, and you're the kid.

[Jack Posobiec]

Father's love is correction of error. So in. In. In my faith, in Catholicism, we actually refer to a spiritual work of mercy, is admonishing the sinner.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

That is a work of mercy to admonish the sinner. So it's. It's not this whole like. Like, oh, I'm better than you kind of thing. It's. Whoa, whoa. Something is. Something is off here. You better get right, because Daddy's coming.

[Mike Cernovich]

No, it's opposite. Like, I watch Josiah Trenton videos, And there's another YouTube Orthodox monk Spiritum Bailey, I think his name is. And just by watching them, I feel rebuked. It just without them even saying. I'm like, man, you know, Because I was watching Josiah and I go, dude, I was.

[Tucker Carlson]

What.

[Mike Cernovich]

What am I doing? Arguing with people about subplots of Charlie's thing. What in the world is wrong with me? Like, Charlie died, his family's grieving. What am I doing? You know, how. What. Because that's ego. And you get, you know, drawn into it.

[Jack Posobiec]

I. I almost did it yesterday. There was one piece of it where I was like, yeah, I could feel it. And I was like, oh. And the Twitter fingers get going. And you're like, oh, I can debunk this. And I can jump in here. And then it's like, number one, that's not what I shouldn't be doing. But number two, that's not what Charlie would do.

[Mike Cernovich]

Right?

[Jack Posobiec]

That's not what Charlie would do. Charlie would say, have it out. Do your little. Do a little. Do a little bickering. Your Bantering. But at the end of the day, we got a mission.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's what Charlie was all about. And it's like the kaleidoscope, like you said. It's that Charlie's dealing with a kaleidoscope world of a coalition of a right, of a people that's going up against evil. That Charlie walked in the face of evil and he knew, he obviously knew the threats. He knew everything. He did anyway.

[Mike Cernovich]

Right. And that's why the, the Charlie legacy is when he, when you're diplomatic like Charlie, anybody can sort of read into things a certain way. So then I would. What I was doing was I was having my own interpret and then I thought, you know, I watched that Josiah thing. I was actually at the park with my kids. So I was listening to it and I thought, you're right. We, as Christians, we are. We are just not comfortable enough with death. His soul hasn't been reposed. It's a 40 day mourning thing. And I'm here on Twitter debating the trajectory of a bullet.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, you know, God help me. It's funny you mentioned that because my orthodox wife, she's only worn black since the day. And, and then someone said, oh, you know why? She said no, 40 days. And that's. And that's it. That's just 40 days.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah. So there really is a sense of like just God have mercy, you know, you know, what am I doing? And I think that a strong like, like a. Because the spiritual, like guys, we left the toxic feminine, which feminine isn't toxic. But we could talk about Mary and all this. I don't know, maybe later. But the chaos, the, the, yeah, the, the integrated feminine or the divine feminine is the Wu call. Is Mary, mother of God, the mother of humanity. And what we weren't in, we weren't in the divine feminine. You know, again, that's a little sacrilegious. But the idea is that we were in the toxic feminine era of abortions, get drunk, party, do you know, do ratchet things. And now we're in the era now where we're like, that doesn't work. That's open borders and murder.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen. Mike Cernovich, thanks for being here, man.

[Mike Cernovich]

A pleasure.

[Jack Posobiec]

I really appreciate it and see you this weekend.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, please go follow Mike. Make sure you're following and getting all of his. Got some videos coming out that I think you're going to really like to talk about this and so much more. Memento mori. Tempest fuguet. Time flies. Remember, you are.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Jack.

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Where's Jack?

[Jack Posobiec]

He's got a great job. All right, Jack Posobic, we are back live here, Human Events Daily. We're in Phoenix, Arizona, the Charlie Kirk Studio. Very honored on to have the not only the author of a new book, but someone who needs no introduction. Eric Trump joins us now on Human Events Daily.

[Eric Trump]

Eric, Shaq, thanks. Thanks, buddy. It's great to be on.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I appreciate you coming on and this book you put out, it's, I mean, the timing is unbelievable because we had been, of course, in discussions, we'd actually already booked you for the show and had you wrote this book about the siege that your family has been under and all of MAGA has been under and everything they've done to anyone with the name Trump or associated. And then two days later, they kill Charlie Kirk. I mean, I've got to, you know, I'll ask you, as awful as it is, I think people are missing or I suppose the wider narrative. What's missing is that this isn't the first time violence has been used. This isn't the first time tactics has been, has been used to silence the Trump. Right. The Trump movement. This has been going on all along. And what's only different now is that it's ratcheted up.

[Eric Trump]

Yeah, Jack, it's the entire premise of the book, right? I mean, they tried to silence us for the last 10 years. They put gag orders on my father. You know, he couldn't talk, he couldn't defend himself. He couldn't run a campaign as they threw these nonsense sham trials at him. They ripped him off of Facebook and Instagram and Twitter. They turned down all of our dials. They turned down your dials. They turned down all of my dials. I mean, for an eight year period of time, I didn't gain one follower because you couldn't even search and find me on these platforms. That's how crooked they were. They wanted to take away our voice. They wanted to make sure that, you know, our voice wasn't projected to the masses. They didn't want Charlie standing on the very stage that he was on. They didn't want me doing hundreds, if not thousands of campaign rallies in all the swing states across the country. You know, Jack, it's that voice that got us to win against Hillary Clinton, right? I mean, we self funded that campaign. We were at a 5 to 1 fundraising gap against Hillary without knowing a damn thing about politics, and we somehow knocked her off because we are willing to stand on that stage every day, and we could be loud and we had a presence and we had backbone, and people liked our message, but they wanted to silence us. They wanted to bankrupt us. They raided our homes. They weaponized the FBI, the doj. They came after us every single day. They tried to divide our family. They made up the Russia hoax. They impeached my father the first time. They impeached him the second time. They made up slanderous lies about, you know, his Supreme Court justices. I got 112 subpoenas, and I've never done a damn thing wrong. They used every power of the federal government to come after me, after the company that I run, because my father had constitutional protections. They couldn't hit him in the Oval Office other than trying to impeach him. So guess what? They did. They came after me every single day. And then I got criticized because I was on Sean Hannity, and I said, you know what? They've tried everything. And they failed. They failed to take him off the ballot in Colorado, and they failed to take him off the ballot, you know, in Maine. And they failed to silence him, because when they did, he popped up Truth Social, so he still had a voice. And you know what, Sean? I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to kill him. And Jack, I told him that everybody goes, oh, Eric's an alarmist. Eric's a conspiracy theorist, but you saw the writing on the wall. And sure enough, six weeks later, guess what? They tried to kill him in Butler. Then they tried to kill him at the golf course. And you saw what they did to Steve Scalise, and you saw what they tried to do to Kavanaugh. And then you saw what they did to your good friend. My good friend, Don's great friend, our family's great friend. They put a bullet because they wanted to silence the greatest movement and the top voices of that movement. And that's exactly. That's exactly what this book is about. I started writing this three years, three years ago, when it was just the legal lawfare. And then it got into the violence. And there's never been a book that's rang more true than right in this moment today after, you know, what we all went through last week.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, and Charlie's assassination is just something that I really hope. And I'm just going to say I hope it's a cliche but turning point for our nation, where we refer to the history of America as pre Charlie Kirk assassination and after. Because we need a response and we can't do this anymore. We can't play this. Charlie, all he wanted to do was talk about. He was the one guy who said, I'm gonna be here on campus at this time, Come on down, and if you don't agree with me, I'm gonna put you in the very front of the line. He didn't have to do that. And we told him the threats. He knew the threats. He did it anyway. And Eric, that's what I think. The same theme that you write about in the book. They don't want to talk anymore, do they?

[Eric Trump]

No, they don't want to talk. Hey, the bullets are only going one way. It's really interesting. I mean, you know, they would call Charlie a Nazi and they would call him a fascist, and they call me a fascist, and they'd call all of the, you know, his identity politics. But yet, isn't it really interesting that they're the ones that are dressing up in black and sitting on top of rooftops with sniper rifles shooting over college kids that are celebrating free speech? I mean, you know, that feels like it's a lot more like fascism than, you know, than healthy dialogue where you see these beautiful kids and they're celebrating the fact that they finally have a voice in college campuses because of a guy like Charlie Kirk. But it is a turning point. Here's the turning point. Everybody talks about how Charlie only, you know, it was the youth movement. That's clearly what he was focused on. But I had a 75 year old Jamaican guy come up to me the other day, he pointed at his heart, he goes, I am Charlie Kirk. Eric, I'm sorry for your loss, but I am Charlie Kirk. And I'm sitting there saying, a guy not born in this country, certainly not the age demographic, and he's literally aligning with Charlie Kirk. And then you look at Pretoria and South Africa and they've got a march in honor of Charlie Kirk. And you see millions of people marching in London across the London Bridge and in honor of Charlie Kirk. And you see the masses in this country, right? I mean, even kids. I have employees who have literally written me emails and text messages. Hey, my daughter was literally crying. She's 17 years old. She idolized Charlie Kirk. It was the youth vote, it was the adult vote. It was all the same people, all the people that are sick and tired of the violence, right? And it is migrating all those people over and it's people all around the world. And so, you know, I always talk about unintended consequences. Doing what they did was the greatest unintended consequence. They actually gave Charlie a bigger voice and a bigger platform given what they did to him than maybe he could have ever even had. Because people realize how dirty, how nasty, how evil these people are. And 99.9% of Americans are great people who don't want this nonsense. And wow, did it backfire on them. And so I really do believe, know, Jack, that this is, I mean, this is a turning point. There's just no question about it. This is a turning point.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, there is. Eric, can we hold you over? We've got a quick break, but I'd love to hold you over if you have a couple of minutes.

[Eric Trump]

Great.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, we're holding on, folks. Eric Trump is with us. He's commenting the death of Charlie Kirk. He's also, he's got his new book under Siege. And that's exactly what's going on. Our country is under siege. His family has been under siege. And Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was killed, not in an accident, in an intentional act of unspeakable evil. We'll be right back here Human events daily with America's Voice.

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[Mike Cernovich]

Where's Jack?

[Tucker Carlson]

Where's Jack? Where is he?

[Mike Cernovich]

Jack, I want to see you. Great job, Jack. Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

What a job you do.

[Tucker Carlson]

You know, we have an incredible thing, well, always talking about the fake news.

[Mike Cernovich]

And the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who'd be getting bullishers.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, Jack, we're here. Charlie Kirk studio, Phoenix, Arizona. We're on live with Eric Trump. We're talking about, of course, the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Also Eric's book, which, you know, the timing is eerie. Under Siege. Eric, where do we go from here? Where do we go next?

[Eric Trump]

We never stop the fight. We do it in honor of Charlie. We do it because we have the greatest political movement in history, a movement that's saving this country. When I saw Eric out there the other day when she did that press conference right after the assassination, I have never seen somebody who was more direct, more powerful. That was the epitome of strength. And when I hear she was obviously unanimously voted in to continue to run Turning Point, like, it puts the greatest smile on my face and you know, in an otherwise miserable week for so many people who obviously love Charlie and the movement that he created. But listen, they want us off that stage. They don't want me on that stage. They don't want me to do the thousands of rallies that I did. They don't want Charlie. They didn't want Charlie to do the rallies that he did. They don't want my father on that stage, which is why they took the shot at him. They don't want Don on that stage. They don't want you on that stage. They don't want Benny Johnson on that stage. I could keep going down the list of incredible people who have been warriors in this movement. I mean, we were like the Outcast crew, right? I mean, we didn't have the platforms, we didn't have anything. We didn't have the CNNs, we didn't have the ABCs, we didn't have the CBS's yet. We had, we ended up being the loudest voice. We ended up being the loudest voice. So they wanted to stop this movement and we will never, ever allow them to stop us. And we'll get on that stage and we'll do so bravely. We all know it's dangerous. And we'll honor Charlie and we'll continue to, you know, the great his legacy, but we'll continue the greatest political movement that fights for God and country and constitution and everything that's great about red, white and blue and frankly, a country that leads the world and leads peace and prosperity and sameness around the globe. And we will keep the United States the number one superpower in the world.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's right. The book is under siege. Eric Trump, thank you so much for joining us today.

[Eric Trump]

Thanks, Jack.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, folks, special honor here in studio and. Oh, come around. Oh, come around this side, ladies and gentlemen. He's destroying the set. Now we have Tucker Carlson joining us in person.

[Tucker Carlson]

Jack, I left my glasses on the set, so I'm glad to be back.

[Mike Cernovich]

Good.

[Jack Posobiec]

You did. That's the only reason you came back. Of course. What do you think, man?

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, I have so many thoughts. It's been one of those weeks where it's just like you're just right to the edge. Here's what I think. I think that, I think that I've spent like three or four days feeling rage and confusion, suspicion, you know, anger at people.

[Jack Posobiec]

I know.

[Tucker Carlson]

You know, there's basically division. And here's where I've arrived. As of last night, I flew across the country here. So I had a lot of time to think.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you for that.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, my gosh. I should have come earlier, but it was just, I couldn't. I don't know. I didn't. I should have. But anyway, I think that this, whatever this is, is the face of evil. And that's kind of enough for me. It doesn't mean correct. The government doesn't have to get to the bottom of it. Of course they do. And, you know, I wish I had more confidence that they will, but I. I want to push that, but on some level, the deepest level, I don't know how much that matters. What matters is that I know that Charlie was murdered because he was proclaiming Jesus. I believe that he was not a physical threat to anyone. He was a completely nonviolent person and a truly decent person, as you know better than most. And he was killed because of his message. And I think we should all just internalize that. And of course, the answer is to proclaim the message louder and to live the message by loving other people. And I'm not in any way saying that, you know, it doesn't matter. You know, the details don't matter. They. They very much do. But the big picture matters most. And I just want to keep that in mind.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, there's something about how it's like, you know, they tried to paint Charlie, you know, the media, whatever. They try to paint him as this, like, this, like, hate monger, Nazi misogynist and all the rest. And then you see him on campus and you see him with his family, and it's like, this is the nicest guy. He's the purest guy. And I feel like in a way, that's why he's the one they targeted.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, of course that's why. And by the way, you know, that's another thing that I've been thinking a lot about is that the nature of evil is slander. Of course, it's. It's deception. It's lying about other people to harm them, and. And physical violence is the natural outgrowth of that, of course. But fundamentally, evil is slanderous, and I should probably stop being shocked by it every time I see slander, because I know a lot of the people involved, and I'm involved, so I know what slander is because I can compare it to the truth, which I know. And every single time I'm like, I can't believe they're saying that about, you know, somebody. That's slander. I'm so shocked and angry. It's like, why am I shocked? That's the nature of it. And we have an obligation as the father of lies. Well, exactly. Thank you. That's exactly right. Lucifer is the father of lies. That's just true. And so. And I'm not saying that everyone who's slandering somebody is Satan, but they are tools of evil for sure, as we all are from time to time, by the way. But I shouldn't be shocked at all. What did you think this was? That's the nature of the world. And Our job is not to marinate in it or stare at it like a solar eclipse to the point where we go blind. Our job is to fight it with the truth and with love. And not abstract love, but actual love, the kind that helps other people, that elevates other people, and the actual truth, the deepest truth.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, I got in the wake of the Minneapolis massacre, because, of course, this is not the first act of evil that we've seen so far this month. And we saw this narrative coming out, and you had very prominent people, including the governor of California, saying, don't pray. Right. You had this sort of don't pray message.

[Tucker Carlson]

And that is the message. Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Really? And I don't usually, like, go to this place publicly, but I just said, there's. There's too much of this. And I came out, I said, prayer causes pain to. Demons cause pain.

[Tucker Carlson]

Of course.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is why. And when people gather and when people hold church services, when they hold mass, when they. When they conduct gatherings of prayer, this causes immense pain.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

To evil. And so who would want you to stop praying? Right. And then. And then I said that, and that kind of went out, and media got mad at me. I don't care. And. And then when this act of evil happened to Charlie, there was a spontaneous call to action. And Charlie was, of course, known for his calls to action. You know, we're doing this, we're doing the ballots, we're doing whatever we're doing. But this was a spiritual call to action that everyone heard.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And what did people do? They gathered and prayed completely spontaneously, completely independently, which Charlie would have been thrilled about, by the way. But everyone knew on some deep, inherent level, we need to get together and pray right now.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. Physically get together.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I don't know how you can separate that from this. These ideas that we are in a literal spiritual war. And this is playing out. It's spilling over into reality now. And it's just so obvious to me.

[Tucker Carlson]

And we always have.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, you can deny it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, it's just like, you know, I had a close friend who had an alcoholic spouse, and they got divorced, and everyone was like, you know, your wife was a really bad alcoholic. And he's like, I honestly didn't know. I was too close to it. And that is a feature of human nature that we don't see the biggest things that are the closest to us. We just can't see their outlines because they are, again, too close. And I think the nature of the eternal battle between good and evil is one of those things. I mean, it's always been this way. It's always been this way from the beginning of time. And we just haven't acknowledged it since 1945 because we imagined we were gods, because we had atomic weapons. But it doesn't make it any less real. And so you sort of retroactively go through your life and you're like, oh, that's what that was. I didn't even know it at the time.

[Jack Posobiec]

That was the serpent, 100%.

[Tucker Carlson]

And there's not one of us who can't identify moments in our own lives where we've been tools of evil. I just want to keep saying that. The core Christian prayer, the Lord's Prayer given to us by Jesus at its essence, at its center, is forgive us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us. Why is it in that order? Because in order to forgive, it's very helpful to be mindful of our own shortcomings, our own sins.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

We're not in a place to judge. We are commanded to forgive as a condition of our own forgiveness. So that is kind of the conclusion you reach if you're really honest about what's happening. Like, yes, this has always been the actual battle. All the nonsense that we are mad about is just a manifestation of that. And we should see it in those terms because we should always be honest. Always be honest. And the more honest you are, the more courageous you become. You are filled with holy power when you are honest, period. The truth is, I, I'm resorting again to cliches and Bible verses, but it does set you free when you determine when you make the decision internally. I'm not going to lie anymore. You become so much more powerful. Like, you can feel it because it's God's power. And, and one of the things we the first thing we should be honest about always is ourselves.

[Jack Posobiec]

And honesty is always a choice.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's a choice.

[Jack Posobiec]

Choice.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's a decision.

[Jack Posobiec]

Got a quick break?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hold that thought because that's perfect. Be right back. Jack Sovik, Tucker Carlson Human Events Daily.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Jack is a great guy. He's written a fantastic book. Everybody's talking about it.

[Mike Cernovich]

Go get it. And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

[Jack Posobiec]

And we're gonna turn it around, out and micro country. Amen. Jack Posic Back Live Human Events Daily Charlie Kirk Studio we're here with Tucker Carlson. We have breaking news. And this is, this is, I believe at some kind of Filing. And so. So, Tucker, I'd love to get your first take on this because we're literally just talking about it. That the attempted assassin of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, which is one that nobody talks about anymore. This is the. I believe this is the one. He was. He was outside the. The house. He had zip ties. He had a firearm. He was wanting to go in. And by the way, multiple zip ties. Because Brett Kavanaugh was there with his wife and children.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And standing outside his house, then something comes over him. He called. If I remember correctly, he called 911 on himself and said, come pick me up before I do something that I shouldn't do. Which is very tied into what we're talking about.

[Tucker Carlson]

Of course, people are captive.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually, he has just. He has just come out as trans.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Jack Posobiec]

And Nicholas Roski has filed a name change to Sophia Rosky.

[Mike Cernovich]

Yeah, of course.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I'm not sure.

[Tucker Carlson]

I believe.

[Jack Posobiec]

I believe it's Maryland, so I'm not sure exactly what level of facility he is in. He is being represented by a federal public defender for the District of Maryland and has petitioned not only for the name change, but I imagine will be petitioning for sex change. Tucker, why does this keep happening?

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, I mean, when I was a child growing up in Southern California, a totally secular world that worshiped Sigmund Freud and, you know, Jonas Salk and those.

[Jack Posobiec]

Guys never got anything wrong.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. The heroes of my youth. The idea was that every civilization in history has been super uptight about sex for irrational reasons, probably because they were badly toilet trained. And, like, that's all insane. And we need to. There's nothing bad about sex, and there couldn't possibly be a vector for sin. And, like, what? And I completely believe that. Actually, that's the world I was raised in. Like, I didn't know anyone who didn't think that. And my life has been a process of realizing that that's totally wrong. It's not just the trans stuff, by the way. It's all sexual sin. Sex is a direct, express route to your soul. I mean, that's. That's. I mean, that's. The joy of sex, is you expose your deepest parts to another person.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, in fact, all the. All the seven deadly sins are desires that we have that are directly tied to our soul.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then when those desires are overindulged, I don't just mean gluttony, but all.

[Tucker Carlson]

Of them go in the wrong direction.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's like. Like there's. There's love. Agape. Sexual love.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

With. Within the bounds of marriage to create the family. But if that gets overindulge, it becomes lust.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, yeah, and there was a reason people were really afraid of sex. Of course, everyone loves sex. Who doesn't love sex? But they understood that it was like nitroglycerin. Like it could cure heart patients, but it could also blow up the building. You know, it's a. It's a volatile thing and. And you have to keep it within certain bounds.

[Jack Posobiec]

And the chemotherapy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right, Exactly. That's exactly right. And, you know, the trans thing is obviously evil, of course. It destroys the people who engage in it, by the way. It's not. We're not just the victims. The real victims are the trans people, of course, because evil flows through people and it destroys them as it does. No one gets out of that alive. But it's not just the trans stuff. That's just the kind of like, final. You know, it's come to fruition. But it's all the sexual sin destroys people and it destroys your society. And that's why no society is. Ever had the view that was common in La Jolla, California, in 1980, which is, hey, man, none of it's a big deal. It is a very big deal. It's the biggest deal. Paul talks about this quite a bit. Not because he was like, sexually repressed pharisee or something, because it's true, and everyone's always recognized as true. So we need, like, a radical rethinking of how we treat sex. And it doesn't mean judging people, it doesn't mean hurting people. It doesn't mean putting people in prison or anything like that. It just means telling the truth about what sex is, which is the root of procreation. The place where life begins, literally. And so it's the most powerful, important thing. Marriages without it die, of course, so it's a good thing. But it can be. It can destroy not just people, but a civilization. And that has happened to ours. There's no doubt in my mind at all.

[Jack Posobiec]

You look at the 1960s, the counterculture, this was the first thing you get rid of God and you massively expand sex, of course.

[Tucker Carlson]

And you also see it at the heart of every, you know, violent cult. For example, of course. I mean, the Manson family was all about, you know, dropping acid and having orgies. The Jonestown cult had sexual weirdness, including bisexuality at the. At the core of it, it's just a fact.

[Jack Posobiec]

Also had a lot of critical race theory that people.

[Tucker Carlson]

It had a lot of bad things. But I'm just Saying, yeah, sexual perversion accelerates everything because it gets right to the core of people.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's intellectual exercise with your, it messes with your hormones, it can mess with your brain chemistry. You send yourself.

[Tucker Carlson]

They're all the physical manifestations, something that.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay, yeah, my, my co author Joshua Lyk, he, he had this great. So he, he's a trained hypnotist as well and he talked about hypnosis and trans like states and he was talking about pornography and he said, what do people do when they're watching pornography? They put themselves into a trance like state, of course, in order to.

[Tucker Carlson]

Why don't we treat. Why I don't understand why conservatives who haven't really done a lot, no offense, to make America better, why not just treat like the people who run OnlyFans and the porn sites as like enemies? Because they are. Why not just say that? Like, why is that so hard if you can't even do that? If you can't say like turning like a huge number of young American women into prostitutes is bad and call out the people who are getting rich from it, then what are you doing here? Exactly. And they're totally incapable of doing that. And I don't know why. I don't want to attack anybody, but like that's table stakes. Are you kidding?

[Jack Posobiec]

Like we're supposed to actually be conservative, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, if you can't say the people who run only fans are bad and they're getting rich on slavery, sex slavery, which basically it is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

Then then what do you, I don't know, go do something else. But like, don't be in the commentary business. Don't tell me you're conservative. If you can't say you porn isn't like a locus of evil. Way more dangerous than Iran. Which is more dangerous to America, you porn or Iran? It's not even a close call. Stop. Stop with your bullshit. I don't want to hear any more of that. Like I don't get.

[Eric Trump]

Whatever.

[Tucker Carlson]

I'm sorry, I'm obviously mad at a bunch of trends that are not being addressed adequately. But what I'm really saying is.

[Jack Posobiec]

But you're right, because we.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, I know I'm right.

[Jack Posobiec]

We can see this direction line between these types of top of funnel elements in our society and that are by the way supported and allowed and celebrated in many cases. Oh, I, I did 500. Oh, I did a thousand in one day. I'm gonna break your record. And like the media is like playing into it.

[Eric Trump]

Well, right.

[Tucker Carlson]

But it goes to a larger thing which is like, blaming other people. I mean, you know, and I would even say this. I'm often attacked for, like, you know, focusing on Israel or whatever. Obviously, we can't be controlled by a foreign government. That'. Terrible. On the other hand, our problems are not Israel's fault. They're not Iran's fault. They're not Russia's fault. They're not China's fault. They're our fault. Actually, they're our fault. And that is the truth. And if you are constantly blaming other people, I wouldn't put up that my kids. I say, hey, why'd you do this? Well, because so and so made me. Oh, stop. That's not allowed in my house. And I don't allow that.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's what Charlie was all about. Yes, all about.

[Tucker Carlson]

And so, like, if you live in a world where people in your high school class are on only fans. I'm not attacking those poor people who feel they have to do that or have been misled into doing it. But the people profiting from it are more dangerous and evil than Iran, and they're certainly more of an imminent threat to your country. Are you joking? It's not even close. So let's just reorient around honesty and truth and try to create a meaningful hierarchy of concern and threat. And the number one threat that we face is people becoming bad. That's. That's the worst thing. You can't have a good country with bad people. And all of us have participated in that bad, including me.

[Jack Posobiec]

And by the way, and we should say that, you know, the pre1945America, the it's a Wonderful Life America, which was made obviously, you know, I think right around that time frame, they all understood this. Those are all called out in that film because they didn't have nuclear weapons.

[Tucker Carlson]

So they couldn't tell themselves they were.

[Jack Posobiec]

God completely understood Tucker. I could do this for several more hours. We'll have to do that at some point. But our. Our time is unfortunately up. You'll be there Sunday.

[Tucker Carlson]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you for coming.

[Tucker Carlson]

I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

[Jack Posobiec]

We got to do this for Charlie.

[Tucker Carlson]

Amen.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's. That's really all it comes down to. And. And God bless Erica and the strength that she has.

[Tucker Carlson]

She's an amazing person, and that's real.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm. I'm just so happy that she's.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, yeah. And say prayers for her. I mean, there's a, you know, the difficult, you know, whatever life is struggle, period.

[Jack Posobiec]

Amen. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission.

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[Jack Posobiec]

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