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for healing, learn more and sign the pledge@workingwithcancerpledge.com. Well, the first chapter of Genesis describes the creation of everything, but many people believe the Bible and science are at odds. Is that really the case and is there evidence that supports or refutes that idea? The answers may surprise you, and today's guest is here to help us take a closer look at the evidence. But before we get to that. Joining me around the table is April Simons. How are you?
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Kathy Boyles
I am doing great.
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Joanie
I'm excited about this. You feel like you're in a class. I do.
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Kathy Boyles
I'm just gonna sit and learn. We need some notes.
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Joanie
A great science class.
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Kathy Boyles
Yeah.
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Joanie
Dorothy Newton is always ready to learn something.
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Kathy Boyles
I am ready. I'm ready.
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Joanie
This is my lunch. And learn. Yeah. Accept the lunch. Yeah. And you and Rachel Lambron have your curls going.
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Kathy Boyles
Looking great.
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Joanie
Looking great on tv. I love of another mother. I know. I had a lot of questions for our guests, so I know you are going to have a lot of questions.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Listen, you need to have Judah Bray Brown in this seat because he knows every single dinosaur. All the names. He would just be.
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Joanie
He's got to watch this table talk as well. We're going to talk about it for sure. Cindy Johnson, how are you? Happy and grateful. Happy's good. Yes.
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David Reeves
Happy's good.
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Joanie
That just came right out.
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Kathy Boyles
Happy.
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Joanie
And look who's back at the table. Cindy Murdoch is here. My best friend, Happy, all the way from north.
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David Reeves
Yes.
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Joanie
It's good to be back. Have you seen any bears and deer? No, lots of deer and lots of turkeys and raccoons and all kinds of. But the bear doesn't come often. Not as often. Well, we appreciate you coming back to be on table talk with us. Thank you. Well, he is the director of the Wonder center and Science Museum, and he's here to talk about his book, 21 verses backed by Science. Please welcome David Reeves. All right.
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David Reeves
How's it going, y'?
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Joanie
All welcome. Good walk.
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David Reeves
Thanks. It's great to be here.
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Joanie
You came in fast. Some people come in slow, Will. Some people run in. Some people walk fast. Some people dance.
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David Reeves
There's just not enough hours in the day.
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Joanie
True. I know. With all we got to talk about. You know, for centuries, many have assumed that the Bible and science are naturally opposed to each other. But as new scientific discoveries have been made over the years. Has that narrative held true? Well, that is the very question David takes on in his book, 21 verses backed by Science. You're talking about verses in the Bible.
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David Reeves
Verses in the Bible. Because I was thinking about it one day. There was an old radio serial and an old TV show both by the same title, Father Knows Best.
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Kathy Boyles
Oh, yes.
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David Reeves
Okay.
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Joanie
You remember that?
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David Reeves
And I. I was chewing that phrase over in my head, and I said, you know what? Yeah. The Father knows best. Our heavenly Father always knows best. And if the Bible is what it claims to be the inspired word of God, then anything that was downloaded to the authors of those of the Bible. Right. Is going to be 100% true, scientifically, prophetically, historically, anywhere you.
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Joanie
That's right, yeah.
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David Reeves
So there are 21 verses at least. That's just the ones we go over in the book that are scientific statements that were written sometimes several thousand years before a scientist figured it out.
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Joanie
So let's talk about David growing up in a Christian home. But, you know, having questions about science in the Bible started with something you found in your yard.
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David Reeves
In my backyard, I'm searching for rocks just playing in the dirt at 8 years old. And I picked up a rock and oh, my goodness, this is not a rock. This is a fossil. This is a deep sea creature. I went a little further and I picked up another fossil. I began to put those things in a fishing tackle box. And at nine years old, y', all, I had picked up way too many fossils. So I said, I need a bigger box. So over here, underneath the carport was a tough box that you fit in the back of a pickup truck.
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Joanie
Yeah.
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David Reeves
So I drag it into my parents bedroom. Now, they were very patient with me, and so I dragged this box into my parents bedroom and I opened it up and I put the fishing tackle box in that bigger box. I put another box full of fossils in that bigger box. I print out on my computer a little black and white sign Reeves Fossil Museum, and Scotch tape it to the front of that bigger box.
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Joanie
That is amazing. But what's the difference between a rock and a fossil? Okay, so this is what he did. He's going to tell you.
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Steve Boyles
They do.
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David Reeves
Rocks and fossils look nearly identical, but because a fossil is nothing more than an animal that used to be an animal now turned to a rock, it's lithified. Right. Okay. So it's hard to determine the difference, but when you see these patterns like a shell imprint or when you see little dots that look just like coral and yet it's a rock, that's when you know, well, this is a fossil of something that was once living in the bottom of the ocean. And it basically got covered over with dirt or sediment or sand, and it turned into a rock. It was preserved. That's the difference between a rock and a fossil.
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Joanie
You went to the library, but I
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David Reeves
went to the library and picked up a fossil identification guide or kids.
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Joanie
So amazing.
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David Reeves
And realized that all of these things were deep sea creatures in my backyard in Tennessee. And I'm looking around and I'm like, wait a second, where's the water?
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Joanie
That's what I was thinking, too. Yeah.
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David Reeves
Of course, the Bible tells us. And even second Peter in the New Testament says that God flooded the world with water.
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Joanie
Yes.
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David Reeves
And so as a Christian, as a young Christian, I'm thinking, well, goodness, I mean, I guess there was water at some point here in Tennessee in my backyard. And I'm guessing I'm finding the remnants of that. But I would drag my.
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Joanie
And what was it, by the way?
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David Reeves
Oh, it was a crinoid. A crinoid is a deep sea creature. It looked like a stalk with a bulb that weighted it to the bottom of the ocean, and then it had these little tentacles that went like this.
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Joanie
I knew that Dorothy would want to know. Remember the name of that, Dorothy.
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David Reeves
So I'm dragging my friends over to this bigger box and I'm saying, look, you have to see this. Not only is it science cool and fossils are neat, but really, the Bible is true and God is real. And here's. This is evidence of what the Bible talked about all along right here in this bigger box. Now, y', all. Little did I know that at that exact same moment, one hour up the road from where I grew up in middle Tennessee, there was a building being built, a 100,000 square foot center, basically an arts center that very same year. So when I said, I need a bigger box, the Lord was actually saying, david, wait a second. I'm preparing you a real big box.
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Joanie
That's incredible. Okay, so what's neat is that at 16, you really became interested in space. So tell everybody what you did.
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David Reeves
I have always been a little bit of a geek. I'm the one that would read the encyclopedia for fun. And at 16, I started connecting cameras to the back of telescopes because I thought that space was cool. But I couldn't share space with my friends unless I had them over to look through an eyepiece of a telescope. So what if I could take a photo of a galaxy?
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Joanie
This is before iPhone or. Wow. Any kind of good camera this was.
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David Reeves
I was working with a Canon dslr, right? Which is common for regular photography, but there's a specialty to astrophotography to using this for. And it took many sleepless nights. But when I took that first photo of the great Orion Nebula, which is this cloud in the constellation Orion, we see Orion, and we see like three stars for his belt and three stars for his sword. Well, if you look down in his sword, in between two of those stars is a nebula, a cloud of gases that is so beautiful that we can't see with our neighbor. And that red color that you captured, that is hydrogen. Alpha gases and all types of different elements that creates that red rich color and it's reds and some blues and all of that is lit up by these super bright stars called the trapezium in the shape of a trapezoid. And I said, whoa, the heavens declare the glory of God. But more than that, why am I, why am I selfishly keeping this to myself? Why couldn't I use these photos to literally show not just my friends, but show the world that God is real, that he's powerful, that he's bigger than anything we could ever imagine, that he's bigger than every galaxy, than every nebula, than every planet, that he actually created us with purpose and he wants to have a relationship with us. That's how special that is.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Why if there's so many verses that are backed by science, is the narrative so opposite that they're in contradiction to one of each other?
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David Reeves
That's a great question and I love the way you put that because we've been spoon fed a narrative of naturalism, a narrative of atheism, a narrative that says, you don't matter, you're star stuff, you're an accident, you're just an animal. And when we realized that that narrative started when a man by the name of Charles Darwin, he traveled to the Galapagos Islands and he's looking at finches, at birds, and he said, wow, it looks like the coloration of this bird matches this island. So it's almost like camouflage. And look at the beak shape of this bird. Well, it looks like it's adapted to this island. He was looking at something that's observable, real science, repeatable, demonstrable, something that we can actually study. And it made sense. But then he had a series of life events and instead of choosing to trust God through those life events, what were the events?
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Joanie
Do we know?
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David Reeves
Well, he lost a young daughter, he was actually married to his cousin, and so there were some birth defects and he lost a young daughter. He went through some trials, we all go through trials. But we're faced with this opportunity, how are we going to take these trials? And are we going to say, I'm in God's hand, he's in control, just trust in him. Or are we going to turn away? Well, he decides to turn away and he decides to use nature to turn away. And so he says, well, nature is all that is. Nature explains everything.
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Joanie
So mine is God.
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David Reeves
Yeah, take God out of the picture.
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Joanie
Take God out of the picture.
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David Reeves
But what does that do? It doesn't replace, it doesn't do away with the need for God does it. Instead it says, mother Nature is in charge. Well, you've just deified Mother Nature. You've turned nature into its own God instead of the true God.
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Joanie
There you go. And that is one of the things that you've had to deal with in talking with an atheist or agnostic professor. If their heart isn't open to the things of God, it's impossible to penetrate.
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David Reeves
Joni, let me give you an example. I'll just give you a quick story because this is something that happened to me at Lee's Ferry, the starting point of the rafts at the Grand Canyon. So if you're going to go rafting down the Grand Canyon, you start at Lee's Ferry and you're staring up at these massive vertical walls of canyon with the Colorado river flowing through. And I was doing some on location filming one day out there for a documentary. And after I got through, all the cameras turned off, I looked around and, oh, in the distance there was a lady loading up a raft. So I walked over and I said, what are you doing? She said, well, I'm loading up our rafts. We're getting ready for a 16 day journey down the Colorado River. I said, wow, that's amazing. I don't think I could. I don't know if I could stand 16 days. That's intense. She said, what are you doing? And I thought, well, here's my chance to witness a little bit. I said, you know what? I'm actually shooting some on location video about how this massive canyon may have been formed by vast amounts of water very quickly instead of a lot of time. Right? And she said, oh, okay. And she turns back around and goes to loading a raft. Well, in the, in my peripheral vision, I see this tall, lanky fellow come storming up at me. And he comes walking up and he said, did I hear you say that you think this canyon formed with a lot of water over a short period of time? And I said, well, I do think there's a lot of evidence to indicate that, yes. And it also fits with the biblical narrative. And he said, My PhD is in geology and I'm here to tell you that this Canyon formed over 6 billion years of slow, gradual erosion from the Colorado river, washing through it and carving the walls. And I said, well, I understand, sir, that you believe that, but is it okay if I just ask you a couple of questions? Oh, certainly. What would you like to know? I said, have we ever seen a river like this form a canyon like this over 6 million years of slow erosion. He said, well, of course not. We as a species haven't been around for 6 million years to observe this transformation. And I was like, but you do believe that it took 6 million years? And he said, well, yes, I do believe that. I said, could I ask you another question? Oh, what else would you like to know? I said, could we do any test, maybe even a laboratory simulation to show how a river like this, a scientific test to show how a river like this could carve a canyon like that? And we're staring up at those massive walls. And he said, well, no, there's no laboratory simulation or test we can do. I said, but you do believe it still took 6 million years, right? And he said, well, of course I believe that. I said, well, then that means you believe it by faith. And he said, Two questions. And a PhD geologist realized that he believed something by faith without any evidence, without any way to test it, without any way to observe it, simply because his professor had taught him that. But you know, the thing is, the evidence is all around us. God's fingerprints of design can be found from the farthest galaxy in the cosmos to the microscopic structure of the DNA inside each and every one of us right now.
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Joanie
That's so good.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
So did he believe you when you told him? I mean, what is the evidence?
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David Reeves
He was absolutely. He was stuttering. He didn't know what to say.
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Joanie
He was speechless.
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David Reeves
He was speechless because all of a sudden, two questions had rocked the very core of his foundation.
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Kathy Boyles
Right.
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David Reeves
I found out he was the leader of that 16 day raft trip.
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Joanie
Oh, wow.
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David Reeves
So I don't know if his mind was changed. I pray that the Lord touched him. But I do know that he had 16 days staring up at that canyon to think about those two questions.
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Joanie
So let's talk about.
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David Reeves
No.
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Joanie
The Great Flood.
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David Reeves
Yeah.
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Joanie
How did that happen?
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David Reeves
Oh, my goodness. The Great Flood.
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Joanie
What does the Bible say about it? And how does science line up with Genesis?
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David Reeves
Yes, the Great Flood is an actual occurrence, an actual historical event. It's even mentioned throughout the New Testament as a real event that took place where the world that then was there was a world. It perished. It was covered with water. It was wiped out, except for Noah and his family and the animals that were on the ark. But here's the thing.
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Joanie
And when you go to the Noah's Ark there in Kentucky, yes. They go through the different parts of the world that have stories that came down through their ancestors about the flood.
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David Reeves
Nearly every major culture have flood legends, but those flood legends are never as specific as what we have in our Bibles. Now let me explain what I mean by that, because if you were to read Genesis, chapter six, it tells you the age of Noah when he started building the ark, the age of Noah when they entered the ship, the dimensions of the ship, how they treated the ship to waterproof it. It mentions the day the rain started, the day the rain stopped. It mentions so much historical detail. Now what do you get when you get, you know, Little Red Riding Hood walking through the forest? Right, you don't get, well, Little Red Riding Hood was this age and it was on this date that she walked through the wood. No, that's a fairy tale. But the Bible is written as this history book waiting for us to explore. And we so often read right past it.
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Joanie
Yeah, guilty.
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Kathy Boyles
I've read past those measurements many times.
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Joanie
Okay, so what happened? Tell us about how did that take place? And the waters covered the earth. Because you went into a lot of detail earlier, it was very interesting.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
And is that what you think caused the Grand Canyon?
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David Reeves
It is it 100%. The Grand Canyon and all other major canyons around the world show these vertical cliffs. Okay, so when the flood took place, it covered the earth with sediment. Sediment is just another word for basically water laying dirt. So water pushes dirt around and it creates sedimentary layers. And creatures from the ocean would have gone into territories, they would have, they would have been scattered across the land, buried within that sediment. Well, it just so happens that you can go to Mount Everest today and find marine creatures, seashells on the top of Mount Everest. Do you know that the secularists respond to that by saying, well, David, I suppose that's correct. But you see, over vast eons of time, Mount Everest used to be in the oceans. And tectonic movement slowly crepted onto the seashore to its current. You see, there's always an excuse.
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Joanie
It doesn't make sense.
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David Reeves
No, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't replace our need for faith. We still have to have faith that God is real, that Jesus came for us, that what is written in the Bible is true. But what we realize is that we don't have a blind faith. We have an evidenced faith where everything that we see around us matches what we read in God's word time and time again.
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Joanie
So it talks about the springs from within the earth's surface begin to burst forward.
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David Reeves
Those hot springs, the fountains of the greatness.
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Joanie
Sin came into the world and the world began to die.
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David Reeves
That's right.
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Joanie
And just like Adam and Eve would now die, God never intended that he intended the earth to be here forever.
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David Reeves
Right, that's right. As a perfect garden for us to have a relationship with him.
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Joanie
Okay, so talk about the springs coming up and what happened with the ocean and how the world just began to flood and how did it rain?
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David Reeves
Yeah, yeah, so. And talk about some of the actions that the flood would have caused in my book. But basically, if I were to break it down, really simply, the fountains of the great deep break open. So all of a sudden you've got these tremendous tectonic movements that are taking place. You've got volcanoes all around the world exploding all at one time because the Earth's shaking. Right. And this is causing massive amounts of water to flow. And not just to flow, but it says the windows of heaven were broken open. So you've got torrential, in the Hebrew geshem, basically torrential downpours of rains taking place at the same time. And what that's doing is it is drowning nearly every creature on planet Earth. And when we look at dinosaurs in the fossil record, we find that when you find them articulated, that's a fancy word for all put together, they're nearly always in what we call the death pose, with their necks arched backward, taking their last gasp of air as they're drowning.
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Joanie
Why were they some of the first creatures to die?
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David Reeves
That's a great question, Joanie.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
I was going to ask why didn't God preserve them?
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David Reeves
Okay, so God preserved smaller lizards, but not the big things, because the earth he knew after the flood was not going to be able to sustain those massive of a creature.
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Joanie
And the oxygen, different atmosphere. Yeah, they were so big, they would need more like almost like a hyperbaric chamber.
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David Reeves
Absolutely.
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Joanie
And men that had lived to be 969 years old, it would be halved immediately after the flood.
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David Reeves
Yes, but those dinosaurs were some of the first to be buried. Because if you look at the geological record, the one that's in every museum except ours, you find this geological progression of time, eons of time, and it points to fossils within each layer. Well, guess what? You can really find those fossils in those layers in many cases. But the layers of fossils that you look at, the bottom layer is all marine creatures. It's like seashells and trilobites and crinoids and those things that I was picking up when I was eight years old.
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Steve Boyles
Right.
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David Reeves
The second layers that you find things in are these swampy areas. Amphibians, dinosaurs, the animals that would have been living on the edges of the swamps on the pre flood world. And then above that.
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Joanie
So they were lower elevation.
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David Reeves
They were. They probably didn't. Every time we find dinosaurs, they're usually with swamp type plants mixed in together along with marine creatures. Right. So there's marine creatures throughout because the whole world was flooded. But the dinosaurs are living in these swampy areas. So they would have been the first to go. Then other land animals and humans and all of that.
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Joanie
Wow. And so quickly we're going to get into 21 of the verses. You have to get the book to find 21 Bible verses that make the Bible legitimate, I guess you could say, which we already knew that it was. But tell us about the museum.
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David Reeves
Absolutely.
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Joanie
Because you have a huge museum there
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David Reeves
in Nashville, just outside Nashville, in Dixon, Tennessee, we have. It's about 35 minutes due west of Nashville, a destination for all ages. It is over 100,000 square feet. Largest science museum in Tennessee, largest science museum in the world. From a creation perspective, from a biblical perspective, we have exhibits, kids, hands on exhibits where they can dig up dinosaurs in sand pits or they can do augmented reality, create their own islands, they can learn gears and stem activities.
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Joanie
And they go into space. Right?
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David Reeves
They can go into space. We've got one of the top 10 planetariums in the entire world. In the space movies. In the planetarium, you lean back and fully immersive in a dome 60ft around you with 20 something speakers. You're flying past galaxies and planets, through the rings of Saturn and exploring space. And then immediately after that we have what we call the Tesla experience where we put you. Nikola Tesla in 1891 invented this thing that makes electricity. It's called the Tesla coil. And we put you in the same room with 1 million volts of lightning, with nothing separating you from the lightning. And we pulse the frequencies of the lightning through those coils so that there's no speakers attached. You hear music from the frequencies of lightning.
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Kathy Boyles
Wow.
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David Reeves
And it is an experience unlike anything that most people have ever experienced.
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Joanie
And that's scriptural as well.
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David Reeves
That is very scriptural because we know that from God's word everything was created. And so he spake and it stood fast, he commanded and it was done.
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Steve Boyles
Right.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
So it was created through the frequency of his voice.
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David Reeves
Yes, yes.
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Joanie
Well, the Bible says that we don't worship. The rocks will cry out.
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David Reeves
That's correct.
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Joanie
And the trees.
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David Reeves
And let me take it one step further because not only does it say that God spake and it was created, but that word is actually the living word that we read about in the New Testament. The word became flesh. Right. And Dwelt among men. It's talking about Jesus here, and it's saying that Jesus really was the Creator making everything for us. So in other words, it basically means that our Savior is our Creator, our designer became our redeemer through Jesus. And that is so exciting because we think about science and we say, yeah, but it doesn't really affect me. It's like, no. Everything within the scientific world is just studying the things around us and realizing it didn't happen by chance. Wow.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
How old do you think the Earth is?
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David Reeves
So I personally believe that the earth is about 6,000 years old. And I do believe that most of my colleagues would agree with me on that. And I do believe that there is a tremendous amount of scientific evidence that we could spend hours discussing that is pointing to that very same thing. It matches biblical chronology, and it seems to be pointing to the idea that we have a design.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
One more question. Do you think the Earth is flat?
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David Reeves
No, I think the Earth is flat.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Is it round or flat?
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David Reeves
I've actually studied this in depth. Davidreeves.com flatearth I have multiple videos on the topic.
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Joanie
It's round, Rachel. It's round.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
This is a very highly contested topic on TikTok.
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David Reeves
It is extremely contested on TikTok. And I'm here to tell you that I can walk you through multiple frames of reference to show that it is spherical. It is not flat.
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Joanie
So if we are exactly in that timeframe and we're looking at the Bible, we also have to believe that Jesus is coming soon.
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David Reeves
That's right.
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Joanie
So how does that fit in with everything?
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David Reeves
Oh, it fits in 100%. Because if you realize that we are here in this tiny little frame when God created time, right in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. But what is in the beginning, in the beginning is the origin of time itself. So that's God doesn't need time. He's outside of it. He made it for us so that he could be with us. So if that time is just this narrow sliver that we've been on this, that humans have been on this earth, that this earth was created, that the universe has been here, then that means that Jesus is coming again soon.
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Joanie
All right, well, that's very important to talk about, for sure, but we are out of time. But I want you to remember that Colossians tells us that in him all things were created. Things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. And we're seeing more and more scientific evidence that testifies to that fact. And just like he created everything, With a purpose. He has designed you for a purpose, too. And if you're watching today, you feel God stirring your heart. All you have to do is just call on the name of the Lord. You know, the Bible says if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us of all our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So you're saying no, you don't know what I've done. You don't know where I've been. Listen, he loves you. He wants you to come to him today. Just say, jesus, come into my heart. Forgive me, and he will meet you right where you are. Well, we do have wonderful prayer partners who are standing by. There is a prayer line number on the screen if you prayed that prayer. If you want to invite Jesus into your heart, we have a free book we want to send you. It's the Gospel of John. It's a great place to start in the Bible. And I tell you, I know some of you are just watching because David was on the show today, but God had something else in mind. Yeah, he wanted you to hear all this interesting scientific stuff, but he wanted to penetrate your heart. And your heart is open like you're open right now because there's a lot of junk that's going on in your life. You don't know what you're going to do. And I want to tell you something. Jesus is the answer. Give him an opportunity to become real in your life. He wants to have a personal relationship with you so bad. So you just open up your heart. Well, I do want to thank David for joining us today. Be sure you pick up a copy of his book 21 verses backed by science. Deepen your faith. For more, you can visit him online@davidreevesministries.org everybody's invited to come out to the
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David Reeves
museum, the Wonders center in science.
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Joanie
And it's open.
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David Reeves
It's open all year round. Check the times on the website. It's wonderscenter.org and we're getting bus tours, church groups, school groups, public schools are coming in. Learning the truth of God's grace.
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Joanie
That is so awesome. Well, as always, make sure to follow us on social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive content. And let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. Of course, you can also listen to the Joanie Table Talk podcast, available now on all major platforms. But I want to thank you for watching. Until next time. Thank you, ladies. Thank you. Dave, will you come back and update us? I would love on another whole subject.
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David Reeves
I'd love to.
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Joanie
He's like a little encyclopedia. We'll see you next time. Bye bye.
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Kathy Boyles
Definitely.
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Joanie
And my dogs. So it's really sweeter.
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David Reeves
Well, I don't know.
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Joanie
I don't know about that. We're going to ask our guests about that, but I know you're hoping for that. Dorothy Newton, how are you doing? So good. You got all your gold on, like, the streets of gold. You know, it's stories like this that's so compelling and captivating and transformational. You know, stories like this is what brings people closer to God. You never know. It's true. Rachel Lamb Brown. I love to hear near death experiences.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Yeah.
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Joanie
I mean, heaven is a real place.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
It's a real place, and it's exciting to get just a glimmer of what it will be like. And it's something to look forward to and be excited about.
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Joanie
And your dad is there.
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Martha Stewart
Yeah.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
And that's the promise of eternity, that we get to see our loved ones again.
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Joanie
And so for eternity, you're gonna be. You'll be so happy for that, won't ya? For sure. All right. Cindy Johnston, how are you doing?
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Hey.
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Joanie
I'm excited about this heaven program. Can you tell?
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Kathy Boyles
Just whirling around here.
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David Reeves
You sure are.
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Joanie
Remember that old song, Won't it be wonderful there having no burdens? Won't it be wonderful there having no burdens to bear? Can't wait to get there. For sure. Kendra, Kelly, Dean.
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Steve Boyles
Hey.
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Joanie
I want to go. We're passing through. I'm so excited. You got to stay and raise your girls. Okay.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Yes.
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Kathy Boyles
It's very.
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Joanie
Yes.
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Kathy Boyles
We were just talking about that, April and I.
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Joanie
That's right. Well, we're so excited to have Steve and Kathy Boyles welcome to the table. So excited you guys are here. Well, you know, as Steve's body fought for life in a lonely hospital room, his spirit was walking on streets of gold. Well, today, Steve and Kathy Boyles reveal how an unexpected glimpse of heaven rewrote their story and carried them through their darkest days. So, okay, you wrote the Book I've Been to Heaven. The true story of a Husband's Supernatural Near Death Experience of the afterlife. So we're going to fast forward to that event that took place on. What day was it?
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Kathy Boyles
That December 9th of 2021 is when he was admitted to the hospital.
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Joanie
But we have to go back and tell on Steve. All of y' all listening at the table, all of you watched all the shows we did on Covid, and we had the doctors on. Had all the doctors on, talking about, you know, information that was censored about ivermectin and budesonide and vitamin D and quercetin and on. And we could talk on about all this. But you all got sick with COVID you and the family. Right. And so as the doctor, what'd you say?
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Kathy Boyles
Well, I got us on all the ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, all the nutraceuticals. And so he started getting better. We all were getting better. But then when he started feeling better, he stopped all of it. But he didn't tell me.
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Joanie
Did you not know he wasn't doing the.
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Kathy Boyles
No, I didn't know. So he was getting worse.
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Joanie
You were not following the doctor's orders, One of those.
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Steve Boyles
Probably not the first time, but.
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Joanie
But you and the rest of the family, y' all got.
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Kathy Boyles
Well, we got better. Yeah.
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Joanie
Okay. So, Steve, you started getting worse, and it was your breathing, right?
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Steve Boyles
Yes. It affected all of us differently, but for me, it was my breathing, and I have had a hard time breathing. And Kathy had gotten an oxygen concentrator for the house, but it still wasn't working because I was just so miserable. I couldn't get in a good position. I was just flopping around. I was just. I was fighting the whole thing. And she was having a really bad headache, so she thought, well, it'd be easier to take you to the emergency room so they can take care of me, because she thought I'd only be there for a couple of days.
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Joanie
Yeah. So what did you think? You were just going to get him some good oxygen?
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Kathy Boyles
Yeah, well, we had the oxygen, but I thought he just needed CPAP to kind of give him a little pressure to keep the airways open. And so, you know, if he got CPAP for a couple days, he'd be fine. And it turned out that he ended up on a ventilator, which was not.
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Joanie
And you didn't know that at first.
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Kathy Boyles
I didn't have any idea what the protocols were in the hospital.
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Joanie
Well, and then just talk a little bit about. You dropped him off at the emergency room. Your daughter went in with him. You said, I'm going to park the car and come in. And what happened?
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Kathy Boyles
And they took Steve in, and Stacy called me and said, mom, you just got to come by and pick me up, because they won't let me in. And we just have to leave because they won't let you in either.
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Joanie
So y'.
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David Reeves
All.
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Joanie
That was probably the most criminal thing during COVID is not allowing family members into a room.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Were they nervous that you would get it? Was that their reasoning?
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Kathy Boyles
No, we already had. But they just.
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Joanie
And you were a doctor that actually went to the hospital?
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Kathy Boyles
Yes. And what happened was, after we got home, they basically contacted me and said there was a committee decision that it would be 20 days before I could visit my husband. 20 days.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Did they give any.
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Kathy Boyles
There was not a scientific reason why that was the decision of a hospital committee.
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Joanie
Okay, so he's on a ventilator. You know, that's not good.
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Kathy Boyles
December 14th, he got on the ventilator.
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Joanie
Okay.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Don't they have to ask you permission to do that?
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Steve Boyles
They asked me, but they. They didn't tell me everything. They didn't tell me all the details about being on a ventilator. I was not. I didn't have good information to make a really. If I had realized everything that they did to me while I was on the ventilator, I would have said, no way. But I didn't know that. So I. And I was. By that time, I was so anxious to get home because I was so tired of being in the hospital, just not getting any food to eat. All I got were these little insures to drink. That was my meal. And I got, like, two of those for lunch and two of those for dinner, and I was, like, sick of those. So I was like, I want to get out of here. So whatever you guys want suggesting. Because I thought it was going to be a good thing.
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Joanie
Because you felt like you were getting better?
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Steve Boyles
I felt like I was getting better because I was getting some good air through the cpap. And actually, at that time, all I had was just a nose cannula. I didn't even have the CPAP on, so I was just doing the nose cannula. And I thought I was getting better because I was being rested and, you know, it was just taking some time. I had had Covid for at least a week before I got to the hospital, but then the hospital tested me and said, okay, as of today, you have Covid. The earlier part doesn't really count. So we're going to start counting your Covid days now.
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Joanie
So, Kathy, why did they put him on the ventilator if he was just on the cannula? And he was.
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Kathy Boyles
Well, he did advance to the cpap, and he was on that for a couple of days, but he got placed on a ventilator. They basically talked him into it. And I found out after the fact, and there was nothing I can do to stop it because I did not have a power of attorney. And so he got the remdesivir. He got kidney failure from remdesivir. That was another time.
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Joanie
These are all the things we talked about.
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Kathy Boyles
This is really what happened. And when I tried to get him to stop the remdesivir, they said, oh, no. He gave us permission. So it's too late. Cause now he's in a coma and there's nothing I can do.
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Joanie
So they didn't think he would ever come off that ventilator.
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Steve Boyles
Oh, no.
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Joanie
Okay, so you go into the coma, and now he's going to get to go to heaven. I know you want to hear about that, but while he's in the coma, what are you doing?
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Kathy Boyles
Well, when I found out he was on a ventilator, I just wanted to cry out to God and say, I don't know what to do. But the Holy Spirit dropped in my heart and said to me, you know what to do. And I knew the word of God since I was a child. I knew the word of faith. And so I created a document with four pages of healing scriptures, and I began to speak those over him. I have a prayer room at home, so I spent a lot of time in that prayer room crying out to God, yelling the scriptures, praying loudly, getting rid of all the doubts and praying in the spirit. Praying in the spirit, Absolutely. You know, anyone can do what I did. And that's really important for folks to understand. Anyone can do what I did because I just took God's word. I took him at His Word and I spoke his word and I had to fight the doubts. Even though everything around me and everything I saw looked horrible. I had to fight with the Word and that's what we have to use.
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Joanie
And of course, you're down here, and I think you say he was going to heaven, and I felt like I was going through hell down here, fighting that battle. But you went into the coma and then something supernatural happened.
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Steve Boyles
This angel comes to me. Of course, you know, my spirit man doesn't sleep. Your spirit man's wide awake the whole time now.
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Joanie
You know what you're about to say there are going to be people watching that say, okay, this is crazy what this man is saying. This is a computer analyst guy, y'.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
All.
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Joanie
Like, this is the most cognitive person, you know. So anyway, go ahead and tell what happened.
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Steve Boyles
So, okay. And I'd never really thought about going to heaven. She had tried to get me to read books, and I just didn't want to read them because I didn't thought. I thought, someday when I die, I'll go to heaven, right? Okay. So that was. That was my outlook. So I'm. My body's out of it. It's in a coma. My spirit man's wide awake. An angel comes to me, speaks to me in my spirit and says, hello, Steve. My name is Marzuka. You spell that. M A R, Z, U, K A. And I'm here to take you to heaven for a little while while your body heals. Okay? So I'm thinking, sure, why not? I got an invitation to go to heaven, why not? I don't have anything else planned right now.
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Joanie
So your spirit man comes out of your natural body.
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Steve Boyles
It just. Like my body's laying down, my spirit man just rises up out of it and then we just blast off and just start going to heaven. Now people see. They say see lights, they see tunnels. I didn't see any of that. I saw.
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Joanie
Did you see space?
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Steve Boyles
I saw space, I saw galaxies, I saw formations that you would see pictures of in a Hubble Space Telescope picture.
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Joanie
So at a very high speed?
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Steve Boyles
At a very high speed, yes.
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Joanie
Wow. And he was right there with you?
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Steve Boyles
He was right there with me.
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Joanie
Did you feel like a rush of wind or.
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Steve Boyles
No, not really. Wow. I didn't feel a rush of wind because, you know, that would have been more of a body. This is my spirit. Now, one thing that my spirit saw was a lot more different colored lights because we have a wider range of vision with our spirit.
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Joanie
And all the senses are enhanced.
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Steve Boyles
Yes, yes.
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Joanie
Right. Okay. So where did you land?
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Steve Boyles
Landed in a field next to this building in heaven, best described as like a welcome center.
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Joanie
But what did the field look like? Describe the sky.
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Steve Boyles
The sky was nice blue. There's no clouds in heaven. Okay. I know that there's pictures of little clouds and little angels floating. There's no. There's no clouds in heaven. It's bright. There's no shadows because God is the light of heaven. So God is all over, so there's no shadow. Okay. So which I thought that was pretty. Pretty amazing. But the field was really plush grass. You could stomp on it and spring right back up. Beautiful color green. I don't see a color green around here that same color, but it's just beautiful, and it's just alive. It's just, you know, it doesn't die in the wintertime or whatever, you know, so it's beautiful. The grass is just this amazing green color. It's a green that we don't see here on Earth because it's a different shade of green that we can't see here. But it's plush. You stomp on it and it just springs right back up. It's just, like, vibrant and alive, and it's so soft. If they were sleeping in heaven, you could sleep on the grass and it would feel wonderful. But I didn't see anyone sleeping. I didn't sleep there the whole time I was there. I don't think you sleep in heaven. You just awake because you got so much life and so many things to do.
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Joanie
And there's real purpose in heaven, isn't there? There is like. It's like people think you're just gonna go someplace and float around and sing, but there's real purpose, and people are about.
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Steve Boyles
People do things. Okay, So I saw a lot of musicians, which make a lot of musicians happy, because I saw little quartets, quintets of different types of instruments playing different styles of music that's all over heaven. Everywhere I went, there was. There was music. You could hear choirs singing when you were just walking. And it was just this amazing sound. And the voices and the melodies were just amazing. You know, Marzouka told me that God created music and he's getting it back. He's going to recapture heaven. Or recapture.
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Joanie
I bet it was in, like, perfect tune. Even though all the music was together, I bet it was in sync.
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Steve Boyles
Well, yeah. My mom told me that she and my grandmother sang in one of the choirs. She told me that when I saw her.
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Joanie
You saw your mom?
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Steve Boyles
I saw my mom. I saw a lot of family members.
- [47:10]
Joanie
Did you see your grandmother?
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Steve Boyles
I did see my grandmother, yes.
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Joanie
And so she said she was sang in a choir.
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Steve Boyles
They said they sang in one of the choirs. And I thought, okay. When I went to church with my mom and grandmother, I don't recall either one of them having that great of a voice, especially my grandmother. And so.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
So you're saying there's hope for me
- [47:28]
Joanie
in hope, Rachel, you might get in a choir.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Hallelujah.
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Steve Boyles
So Marzouka is walking with me, and we hear this amazing choir singing. And he said, this is one of the choirs that your mom and grandmother are singing in. So I'm stopped and I'm listening, trying to hear the scratchy, out of tune voice. And it was beautiful.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
What do they look like, your mom and your grandma?
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Steve Boyles
Well, they look like they were much younger. Okay. Everybody in heaven is in healthy condition. Everybody is young. Probably looks like I'm a terrible judge of age, but probably somewhere between 25 and 30.
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Joanie
And everybody at the table said amen
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Steve Boyles
and everybody's in wonderful shape and they're all healthy just at one point. So I got to see a lot of my dogs, all the dogs we'd ever had.
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David Reeves
Well, April pass us.
- [48:22]
Steve Boyles
So one of the dogs, his name was Poppy, when he came, he kind of declared our house as his retirement home. He had one eye, had a big scar across him. He walked with a limp. He was in really bad shape. But we took the best care of him that we could. And when I saw him in heaven, he had both eyes. His hair was. Fur was thick and luscious and he didn't have any scars. He ran perfect with the other dogs. They were all just, they looked also healthy. They had all, you know, we took real good care of them. But they, you know, they get old and they get die and they get. Bad things happen to them. They were all healthy, perfect.
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Joanie
So what was that? What were you feeling in that atmosphere as far as time, as far as peace? Like.
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Steve Boyles
Well, it was like the most wonderful place to be because there's no, there's no strife, there's no quarreling, there's no. All that stuff. There's no tension. Okay. All the stuff that we have to go through every day that we kind of just kind of, kind of get used to. Well, you get to heaven and it's just, it's peace, it's love, it's security. It's so much joy that you know that that's what we should have here. But that's what it's like in heaven. And I felt secure. There is like, no, no harm's going to come near you. And so it was just an amazing environment.
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Joanie
What are some of the things that you saw? As far as I know, you talk about a beach, a mountain, et cetera. Talk about that.
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Steve Boyles
Well, I want to go to the
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Joanie
beach, by the way.
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Steve Boyles
Okay.
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Joanie
Especially if I have a 25 year old.
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Kathy Boyles
Right, exactly.
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Steve Boyles
So there was a beach scene and the beach was actually next to what is we call the river of life, except when I saw was a wider area, but it's coming from the throne room and it had God loves palm trees, and I do, too. So there's palm trees around there. There was beach around there. And so Marzouka, this is one of the last places he showed me. And I said, oh, man, I love this place. This is great. I love palm trees and sand. And he goes, yeah, I know. I've been on all your vacations. Well, our vacations, we try to go to Florida a lot because we enjoy the beach, and so we like to enjoy that.
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Joanie
He actually shared with you that there were times in your life that as your guardian angel, he had saved your life. You didn't even know it.
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Steve Boyles
Exactly. He told me he'd saved my life more times than I'll ever know.
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Kathy Boyles
Wow.
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Joanie
What other things did you see in what other people? And of course, we have to know if you saw Jesus and the throne room and all that.
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Steve Boyles
I saw just kind of a quick rundown. I saw my niece. She had gotten killed in a car wreck a week before she was supposed to get married, so it was pretty tragic. And then I saw her dad, which is my brother. He got killed right after we got married. He did our communion service and our marriage. And I saw my mom and dad. I saw my grandmother. I saw Kathy's mom and dad. I saw a friend that I worked with. And then I saw a lot of people I didn't know, just people that were just in heaven walking around, doing things.
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Rachel Lamb Brown
Did it feel crowded?
- [51:32]
Steve Boyles
No, it didn't. There was room. It's not like walking down the street in New York City or someplace where you're like this or a subway somewhere.
- [51:40]
Joanie
There was a little boy that you saw.
- [51:42]
Steve Boyles
I met this little boy who just really shocked me because Kathy had been pregnant and she felt like she was going to have a boy, but she was, like, five or six weeks pregnant, and she had a miscarriage. And so I'm in heaven, and we're walking to a place, and this little boy comes up to me and he goes. He stops right in front of me. And so I'm looking down at him, and he looks like he's about five or six. And he says. He goes, hello, my name's Daniel. I think you're my dad. And I'm, like, totally shocked. And if you can be shocked in heaven, I was shocked in heaven, okay? Because I said, well, I said, you know, Kathy was going to have a little baby, and she thought it was going to be a boy. And we named him Daniel. And he says, I've been here since I was really little, you know. And he said, I've been raised in a group with a lot of other little babies, and he's growing up there. And I said, well, Kathy would really love to see you because she's real pretty and goes, yeah, I know, I've seen her. And sorry. But yeah, it was pretty emotional because I hadn't thought about that. You know, I'd always wanted a little boy, and then I finally got one
- [53:02]
Joanie
and there he was.
- [53:04]
Kathy Boyles
Wow.
- [53:04]
Steve Boyles
I got to spend time with him. I got to pray with him, or not pray with him, but I got to play with him. We got to play catch. We got to throw a ball. He's got a great arm. It was just a lot of fun and it was so much joy.
- [53:18]
Joanie
Who did he look like? Did he look like.
- [53:20]
Steve Boyles
He looked like both of us. I could see features of both of us. He had a little bit more olive skin, which is more like Kathy, because I don't have that. But he had dark brown eyes. He kind of had some of my facial features.
- [53:35]
Joanie
Oh, he had her dark brown eyes.
- [53:37]
Steve Boyles
Yeah. Just kind of like Kathy.
- [53:40]
Joanie
That's such a word for someone who's watching right now who had a miscarriage, but also for someone who had an abortion. If you know the Lord and you've received Jesus into your heart, you just said, jesus, come into my heart, forgive me. I believe you died on the cross for me and I want to serve you. I was just really. Salvation prayer is that easy. But if you know the Lord, you'll see that baby again. You'll see that child again. Because once an eternal soul is created, it lives forever.
- [54:15]
Steve Boyles
Yes.
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Joanie
And that happens at conception.
- [54:17]
Steve Boyles
Yes.
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Joanie
So I just want to encourage you. And there's no judgment here from any of us sitting here. There's some of you watching. You've had an abortion. It's going to almost make you, like, tear up, just like it did with Steve. But just to know that you will see that child. Okay. You're going to see that child again. And I've had others talk about that as well that had near death experiences. Okay, so Jesus, we want to hear about. Do y' all want to hear about Jesus?
- [54:45]
Steve Boyles
So, okay, so I got to go to the throne room, and that was the last place I got to go. And so the throne room is pretty amazing. It's hard to describe.
- [54:56]
Joanie
Yeah. Describe it. Describe it.
- [54:58]
Steve Boyles
I'll do my best. Okay, so I walk in and there's. The walls are gold with nice big jewels all around. There's thunder. There's a big rainbow behind the throne. So there's kind of A long walk and then there's like seven steps that go up to like a throne platform. And there's two thrones that I saw. One had God the Father sitting in it, except he was light. I couldn't see a figure, I just saw light. And then the next throne next to him had Jesus sitting in it. The thrones looked identical. They were both amazingly decorated and just looked like kingly thrones, more so than anything you might see here on earth. There was thunder and lightning. There was rainbows. On the other side of the stage, I saw the menorah. I saw the Ark of the Covenant. I saw the thrones of the 24 elders. Now, I didn't necessarily see the faces or the people sitting in the thrones, but I saw the thrones there. And then I was walking up and Marzuka was walking with me and he knelt down and then he pushed me forward to keep going. And so then I got to about 10ft from these stairs and then Jesus stood up and walked down to me. Jesus looked like he's about 6:1. 6 to 6:1, something like that.
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Joanie
You said there's a picture that a young girl drew of him?
- [56:24]
Steve Boyles
Yes, there's a picture very similar. Yeah, she's older now, but he had a little bit longer hair. He had piercing blue eyes, had a nice trim beard. He had on a robe with a white robe with a purple sash that goes across his chest. I saw the scars in his hands. I saw the scars on his feet.
- [56:48]
Joanie
How did you respond to that when you saw that?
- [56:51]
Steve Boyles
Well, I mean, it was. It's kind of mixed because, you know, I didn't. I didn't feel any fear. I didn't feel. I felt nothing but love. But when I saw that, it really hit home to me that, you know, it's just not a story. It's a real. It's the real thing. He's the real person.
- [57:12]
Joanie
He really died for us.
- [57:13]
Steve Boyles
He did really die for us. And, you know, he showed me a couple of pictures of myself and he said, this is you. And I looked like I was in bad shape. And he said, but you're going to be just fine. Because that's when I was in the hospital. And then he said, he showed me another picture. It was exactly the same picture, except the first one was in like, black and white, the second one was in color. And he said, this is you and you're going to be just fine. And I had on this outfit that looked best described as being like red and white pajamas. He said, you're going to be fine because you're healed by my blood and my righteousness. And so then I told him I loved him and he gave me this big hug that I'll never forget. I can still feel it now because I felt so much peace and warmth and protection and love and just I could go on and on talking about how it felt, and it's just not enough words can describe it, but it's just amazing.
- [58:06]
Joanie
And then all of a sudden you're back in your body.
- [58:08]
Steve Boyles
Well, let me say one more thing, because when I'm walking out, I asked Marzuka, I said, how come you kneel down and you push me forward? And he said, because the Lord is my master and I serve him, so I kneel before him. You are a family. You go boldly into his throne room. And he pushed me forward because the Word says that we go boldly into the throne room of God. And so that just like, made that so alive, that verse. Because God wants us to come into his presence, he doesn't make us crawl and gravel and crawl to him. We don't do that with our kids. So why would God do that with his kids? And he's a better parent than we are.
- [58:42]
Kathy Boyles
Wow.
- [58:43]
Joanie
I know we're just about out of time, but you came back into your body and it was a miracle, really, that you survived. And he came out of the coma, but it was a road of recovery. How long did it take, Kathy?
- [58:58]
Kathy Boyles
Well, he was in the hospital three and a half months on the ventilator for 45 days after he came home from the hospital. And there were three different hospitals, so there was an icu, an intermediate care, and a rehab hospital. It took him a couple of years to really get back to completely normal life. Because when he came home, he still had a long way to go to learn, you know, because his muscles had atrophied, he had a lot of muscle atrophy, and then his body had just been through so much. So we, we started doing a lot of supplements and a lot of natural therapies and just a lot of wonderful things to get him.
- [59:35]
Joanie
It was a journey, but God was faithful. Yes. That is such an amazing story. Well, I tell you what, you want to hear the whole story? I've been to heaven. Here's the book. It's going to be amazing. You should get it. But we are out of time. Why don't you remember? Think about this. The Bible tells us that Jesus is preparing a heavenly home where joy and peace are everlasting. And he wants you to be a Part of it. And all you have to do is accept the free gift of salvation. Those scars that you saw in his hands were from the nails. Yes, that went through his hands on the cross at Calvary. But the beautiful thing about the story is that he didn't stay dead. That's right. He rose. And that's the power of the gospel. But the precious blood of Jesus not only saves us. Right. But it heals us.
- [60:28]
Steve Boyles
Amen.
- [60:28]
Joanie
And that's what he wants to do. If you're watching today and you need prayer, call the number on your screen. We would love to pray with you. The Lord loves you so much. And if you haven't prayed the prayer of salvation, just say, jesus, come into my heart. Forgive me. Be Lord and Savior. I believe you died on the cross. I know you rose again, and I want to give you an opportunity to change me. And that's exactly what he will do if you pray that prayer. And so you just receive him right now. Call that number. We'd love to send you the Gospel of John if you prayed that prayer. It's a great place to start in the word of God. But if you just need healing, if you just need someone to talk to, that's what that number's for. I do want to thank Steve and Kathy for joining us today. Be sure you pick up a copy of their book I've Been to Heaven. And for more, you can visit them online@stevenkathyb.com as always, make sure to follow us on all social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content, and let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. Of course, you can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. But I want to thank you so much for watching. This is really good, y'. All Right. This is why we do what we do. And I think, tell you what, this life is just a stepping stone to the life to come. We're talking about eternity. So if you haven't prayed that prayer, do that today. Invite Jesus into your heart. We'll see you next time.
- [61:55]
Kathy Boyles
Bye.
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Joanie
Bye.
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Kathy Boyles
For today.
- [61:59]
Joanie
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