April Simons (3:14)

Give a foothold, and it can become.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (3:17)

A stronghold, and that's what we don't want.

April Simons (3:18)

But I love the title, make the devil Homeless.

Joni (3:21)

That's the greatest. Make the devil Homeless. I love that. You know, a lot of people don't really want to talk about, like, angels, demons, heaven, hell. But those are all real things we need to talk about. Very, very real. You know, that's why it's important that we know the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit, you know, protects us from all that. Jesus is definitely stronger, Rachel Lamb Brown. He is.

Haley Dean (3:43)

And, you know, it's so funny. I was talking to my friend the other day on the phone, and she started laughing, and I was like, what? And she had taught her little son with all the Halloween decorations and, you know, all the crazy stuff to say, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. So she heard in the other room rebuking something, and she just thought that was so funny. But I love that we can teach our kids at a young age how to. How to handle these things and that behaviors were protected.

Joni (4:06)

Right. I have grandchildren that will go around and see the skeletons and all the. In their, like, do.

Haley Dean (4:11)

You know, it's so funny.

Joni (4:12)

We don't celebrate that. We don't do that. We don't do that in our house.

Haley Dean (4:15)

I have to tell you a funny story. Judah was at taekwondo the other day, and they're gonna do, like, a parents night out. And they said, how many of you like to dress up and celebrate Halloween? The whole class, in unison, goes, yes. And Judah goes, no. And I was like, oh, my gosh. That's my boy. He was like, we don't do that.

Joni (4:31)

I watched him in taekwondo. I think he liked it. Yes, ma'.

Haley Dean (4:35)

Am.

Joni (4:35)

That was his favorite part of the whole thing. Kendrick, Haley Dean, how are you doing?

Host (4:42)

Great. I like these kind of shows because you have to have information. You have to know there are always spiritual warfares happening around us, and we have to know how to Handle it. And the authority that's within us because of the power and the blood of Jesus Christ. But like I taught my little girls at a young, young age, if you're ever afraid, if you're ever lonely, if you're ever scared, you just say Jesus.

Joni (5:03)

Yeah.

Host (5:04)

That's all you have to do.

Joni (5:04)

There's power in the name of Jesus.

Host (5:06)

That's right. They tremble, they flee, they go. No one's squatting around us.

Haley Dean (5:09)

Let's go.

Joni (5:10)

That's right. Hello.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (5:10)

Hello.

Joni (5:11)

You know Cindy Johnson. Welcome. A lot of people don't understand. There is a battle going on and there is a spiritual realm that we can't see that darkness operates in.

April Simons (5:22)

Yes, but the Bible talks about in Second Corinthians, I believe it's 10 and 4. That the weapons that we fight with are not of this world.

Joni (5:32)

Right.

April Simons (5:32)

The weapons that we have is divinely divine through God. So we can cast down all of those things that try to come to torment or try to come into our lives as believers. We could be free from that.

Joni (5:45)

Yeah. And he's given us the word of God.

Host (5:46)

Yes.

Joni (5:47)

You know, the sword of the spirit. I mean, he's given us the knowledge of knowing. Like, just like Kendra said, at the name of Jesus, you know, demons tremble. And I remember I interviewed a witch doctor from Africa years ago that came out of that and got turned his life over to God. And I remember he just said, joni, the power of the Holy Spirit is so much greater than the power of darkness. So we're going to talk about that. He is the founder of Hungrygen Church and author of the powerful new book, make the Devil Homeless. Please welcome our dear friend, Vladimir Sovcich. How are you doing?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (6:30)

Better than I deserve. Ready to make the devil homeless.

Joni (6:33)

Yes.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (6:34)

Good.

Joni (6:34)

We want to do that today. Of course, we call you Pastor Vlad. Or do you like Vladimir? Which one?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (6:41)

Vlad is shorter. Even though Vlad stands for Vladislav. It's a total different name. But most people don't know. And I'm fine with. Vlad is good.

Joni (6:49)

Well, you know, it is an inconvenient truth, but many homes all across the world are under the dominion of actually demonic spirits. And they don't even realize it. From bloodline curses to open doors to ungodly practices, countless people are living in bondage to darkness. But there's good news. You can walk in God's abundant freedom. And it starts with deliverance. Jesus had a lot to say about this. What did he say about dealing with demons?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (7:16)

So amazing thing about Jesus is it's not only what he said, but what he did is he cast them out. You know, his ministry started with confrontation with the devil in the wilderness. And I always tell people who want to be involved in the ministry of deliverance, in order to engage with Satan publicly, you have to defeat him privately. Because if you're not defeating lions in private, you're not going to defeat Goliaths on the public field. And so Jesus deliverance ministry really started with temptation in the wilderness. And so if we are privately not overcoming, but have strongholds, have demonic oppressions and other stuff, then publicly, even if we're successful at helping other people, it's a matter of time. All of this is going to collapse. But Jesus's ministry started with coming to synagogue. And the scripture says that unclean spirit was manifesting. And Jesus, instead of asking the security guys to take him out, he took the demon out of the man, removed that through the power of the Holy Spirit. And then he says, if I cast out demons by the spirit of God, the kingdom of God has come upon you. What people must understand is the kingdom of God. Invasion of God's kingdom happens when it comes on the scene. Two kingdoms crash, clash. And this is what freedom is like, is the kingdom of Jesus causes the kingdom of the enemy to be exposed and expelled.

Joni (8:40)

So let's talk about entrance, the three ways that the demonic will enter into. Talk about those three things.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (8:49)

So I like to use three. Abuse, ancestry and actions or inheritance, intrusion and involvement. Inheritance is when demons use the bloodline, when people dedicate other people through the bloodline to get through. I remember praying one time for a young lady and she was going through a deliverance and we couldn't get the demon out and so we stopped the deliverance. And she's like full blown manifesting. And I asked her, is she a Christian? She said, no, I'm not a Christian. And I was like, well, that person, probably the reason why we're not getting anywhere. I'm like, would you like to be a Christian? She's like, well, I don't know. My parents are both witch doctors. And at the age of five, she shows me her finger. She said, they dedicated me to this practice that they're into, which is witchcraft. I was like, well, that makes sense why we're not able to get the demon out. I'm like, would you like to become a Christian? And she said, yes. And that day I understood how powerful child dedication is.

Joni (9:51)

Wow.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (9:52)

Now this girl is 17 years of age in a different city. She's not doing witchcraft, but these demons marked her. And so people don't understand that, and people can debate me until we all turn blue about is this curse, is this real or not? But one thing is certain is there are things that are passed on through the bloodline, and good things also.

Haley Dean (10:12)

Yeah.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (10:12)

And so are bad things and generational.

Joni (10:14)

Blessings as well as curses. So what happened with her when she. When she became a Christian?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (10:19)

So the moment she accepted Jesus, then I confronted the very same demon who didn't want to leave. And I mean, she was like, manifesting like a snake, like, behaving very differently, not normal, attacked the camera, broke our camera because we usually record deliverances for safety purposes and other reasons. And so. And then within about five minutes, she was completely set free, and we dedicated her to Jesus, anointed her with oil, and now rededicated her to the Lord. And so inheritance is the first one. The second one is intrusion. Intrusion usually happens when the child is growing up, and this especially happens with younger people. And Satan loves to target young people because they are vulnerable, they're young, they're like wet cement.

Joni (10:58)

He wants to keep them from their destiny. And many times the very children that are being attacked or molested, God has his hand on them for great purpose. And the enemy wants to stop them from that purpose, 100%.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (11:12)

And so usually in that very crucial development moment, usually there is lack of fathers. Other people get involved, abuse happens. And the enemy doesn't like to play fair. Most people think that he plays fair. He doesn't play fair. It's about legal rights. It's not about fairness. Like, even think about the sin we get from Adam. It's not fair. The grace we get from Jesus is also not fair. So, like, fairness doesn't come into play with sinners.

Joni (11:41)

My husband said, who said life was fair? Like, who told you that? Who told you that lie?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (11:46)

Yeah. So I remember when we were praying for and have a lot of stories of people who specifically were exposed and the enemy exploited, abused, a broken home and entered in. And then until they were able to forgive as well. Forgiveness is crucial.

Joni (12:02)

So that's really big with intrusion.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (12:05)

Yeah.

Joni (12:05)

So say here is a child, here's a young person has been violated in whatever way. It's horrible. But at some point there has to be forgiveness for there really to be a release.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (12:17)

100%. Jesus said that in Matthew that a person who didn't forgive, the person that owed him a little bit of debt, he was eventually thrown to the chamber of torturers. And those are demons. They torture, they torment people now. And this is Sad. And it's heartbreaking because the person is the victim.

Joni (12:34)

Right.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (12:35)

They're the ones that were sinned against. That's not fair. They don't deserve that.

Joni (12:39)

It doesn't make any sense to the natural mind. But in the spirit realm, it's an open door. It's a powerful principle of blessing. When we forgive, and I think we have to look at what we've been forgiven and we have the promise of eternal life through what Jesus did on the cross. How can we not forgive in this lifetime? Okay, so we talked about inheritance, inheritance, intrusion.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (13:02)

And then third one is involvement.

Joni (13:04)

Are y' all learning something? Yes.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (13:06)

So the involvement deals mainly the things that we consciously get involved with. And there are two kind of main things that we as Christians can get involved with which are not good. The first one is that when we step into the dark side, when we begin to entertain, demonic, witchcraft, occulting things, and we do that in the United States mainly out of curiosity and partially is because people in our nation, we are extremely open minded. So we kind of want to try things. You know, the alternative spiritualities, the yoga, the meditations, the channeling of spirits, the law of attraction, all of these things, they're just Trojan horse, whatever.

Joni (13:46)

Karma.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (13:46)

Yeah. Of demonization. Pretty much, yeah. And so, and they are just the soft introduction and desensitization and now all the TV shows and all of that is happening. People are genuinely hungry for the invisible realm. Why? Because we are spirits. We crave for that which created us. We came from God, we crave God. And so what Satan does when he sees this hunger, he manipulates it by causing, creating alternative counterfeit spiritualities that people fall for. But they're not just spiritualities. They're open portals and people go into it. And Christians do that because they go to churches where supernatural is not visible. Pastors sometimes don't believe in it. And so what they do is they go to Barnes and Nobles, pick up books on angels, they pick up books on miracles, and they're thinking it's going to be just miracles, it's just straight up new Age. And so. And that pretty much is an open door.

Joni (14:37)

Even though we believe in miracles and angels, some of these books are not based on the Bible 100%.

Haley Dean (14:42)

How do you know if someone has a demon?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (14:45)

So three ways to know how somebody, if somebody has a demon, number one is through the gift of discernment of spirits. There's a reason for that gift, that gift, while the gift of the Holy Spirit is not casting out of demons, the gift of the Holy Spirit is discerning spirits. Of course, demons is not the only thing that this gift helps to discern. But you just know this person, what they're carrying is something is off about it. And so there's a gift of discernment of spirits. Number two is when they receive ministry or they're in the Holy Spirit induced environment environment, they start to manifest.

April Simons (15:15)

What ways might they manifest?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (15:17)

They start acting violently, they start feeling nauseous, they start throwing up and something takes over. They become angry. You see distortions, you see their face changes. Usually their vocals begin to change. And this, you know, I could list different things. And so you start praying for that person and they go from this beautiful, wonderful person to, you know, and they just start kind of. Or they start shaking, they start getting really tense. Some people start uncontrollably crying. And the way unclean spirits come out of some people is actually through their tears. Other people would throw up for no reason. They didn't eat anything and stuff would just come out. I remember a man who had a leukemia came for prayer. We started praying for him and he's puking blood now. I didn't know he had leukemia. And so gross stuff, I mean, nasty. And he's like, oh, I feel so much better. I was like, I bet you do. Whatever came out of you. So much crazy. He goes back home to get refueling on his medication. The doctor says, we need to examine you again. They examine him again, examine him again. It's been 11 years. There's no trace of cancer in his blood.

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Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (16:26)

And so a lot of times people manifest when they receive prayer. The third way that you know somebody has an unclean spirit is by the symptoms and the activities of unclean spirits in their lives. Like dreams is usually pretty common. When a person is getting constantly attacked in their dreams, they're getting sexual dreams. They're seeing dead people who died, who keep conversing with them. Some people have, even people they have children within the dream. They go to sleep, they see reoccurring person they have sexual intimacy with and they have children with in physical life. They cannot have children in the dream they do. And then you start praying for them and the demon speaks out. I am their husband. I can't tell you how many deliverances we've done where incubus or succubus. As Barry Mash says, I'm a husband. I remember one time doing a prayer on one lady and I'm just praying I am her husband. I was like, what the heck? The husband is standing there I was like, what is this? And he's like, something comes on her during the night and she acts like she has an intimacy with the man. And she wakes up and she says, yeah, I continuously have sexual dreams. And so these are not like every once in a while. This happens all the time.

Joni (17:35)

So those are like unclean spirits, activities.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (17:39)

Intrusive thoughts, third person voices, emotions that feel driven and compulsive. Holy Spirit leads us. Demons drive. They don't lead, they force it on the person. There's compulsion, People lose control. And then the other one is there's paranormal activity that happens in the person's home or the person's life. Sometimes that could be more of a spiritual warfare that a person is going through versus a spiritual torment that they are experiencing. And so those are the common, don't.

Joni (18:07)

Be afraid of what we're talking about. It's a real thing that's going on. There is a battle, good against evil. But Jesus paid the price for you and me when he died on the cross. The Bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But he came to the cross a man without sin. The son of God came down to this earth and lived among us and died on the cross for you and for me. And all we have to do, Vlad, is just invite him into our heart. And like you said, when you do that, he comes to live on the inside of us. Right. But not only that, he forgives our sin. And if we die, we have the promise of eternal life in heaven, right?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (18:53)

Yes. Our bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit. So we are indwelled by the Holy Spirit. And this is where a lot of debate happens, is, well, how can you be indwelled by the Holy Spirit? And Vlad, you're talking about getting demons. It seems like you're asking people to be free from demons on the inside. Well, the Bible does say, do not give room to Satan. So I usually ask people, so where does he go? Where you give him room? Jesus cleansed the temple. You never see Jesus going on the marketplace and just tossing tables. Nobody does that. That's marketplace. These people paid for those tables over there. Why did he do it in the temple? Because those merchants didn't belong there. So when Jesus comes to live inside.

Joni (19:36)

Of us, it was supposed to be a holy place.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (19:37)

It was supposed to be a place of prayer.

Joni (19:39)

And they had made it, what, a house of iniquity?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (19:42)

House of iniquity. A den of thieves. So he wants to make them homeless. He wants to remove those things. I Usually tell people this. The power of the name of Jesus in the Holy Spirit is able to get demons out of people. And some people who have torment on the inside, they don't necessarily have demons that are like strongholds. They just kind of. They just need to do renewing of the mind. They actually have unclean spirits. They need to be removed. And the name of Jesus has the power to do that. But sometimes Christians experience spiritual warfare where they need to, in the name of Jesus, resist, submit to God and resist the devil. Like one of the things. And I've experienced both.

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Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (20:24)

I went through deliverance myself, so I'm not sharing something I just seen in other people's lives. I know what it's like when something speaks out of you, comes out, and you feel very different. Light as a feather. The very thing that pushed you from the inside is no longer there. And seeing that in other people's lives. But there's an issue that I was battling with that was not an inside issue, was an outside issue. I dealt with fear. As long as I could remember, I struggled being alone in the dark by myself. I would sleep with lights on. I would be a youth pastor. Run to my car because I will be the last one to close the church and speed from the church and check the back seat, make sure there's, like, no killer there. That's gonna, like, kill me.

Joni (21:09)

Yeah, because you saw that on the movie.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (21:11)

I saw that in the movies. That didn't help. And I already was married. About six months into our marriage, my wife is a painter. Saturday night, I'm preparing a sermon very late, and we live in this apartment. We have a dinner. As we're having a dinner, I would see flashes, and I would see dark figures in my house all the time, and it would scare me. And so I would, of course, not tell her that because I'm a pastor, youth pastor. I'll be telling her I'm scared in my own house, and I'm a man of God. I mean, come on. I can't do that. So we go back to our room, and it was one of those apartments. We didn't have lights in the living room. And I remember my wife, late in the evening, she's painting. I'm working on my sermon, and she's like, I need you to go get me water in the kitchen. Which meant I had to go through the living room. There was no lights, and there were ghosts there. And I was like, there's no way. I can't do this. So I'm telling her, let's go together in the dark. He's got to hold hands. You know, we're newly married. She's like, what is wrong with you? Go get me water. I was like, yes, ma'. Am. Got it. I'm going to go. And so I'm thinking I'm going to run quickly to the kitchen, turn on the lights. Because I always ran, always ran. And for the first time in my life, I felt the Holy Spirit say, vladimir, you need to confront it. I say, God, that's easy for you to say, but it's a living room. Like, that thing is most likely there. It's going to kill me. He's like, you always ran. Demons do not leave when you run.

Haley Dean (22:37)

Wow.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (22:37)

They need to run. The Bible says that submit and resist, he will flee. He says, you've been fleeing. So I got in the middle of the living room. I was scared to death, didn't turn on the lights. And I said, whatever you are, whoever you are, you have chased my life for too long. This is my apartment. I paid the bills. So get out.

Joni (23:03)

In Jesus name.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (23:04)

In Jesus name. And I just stood there, and it's like something just broke I never had.

Joni (23:10)

That's so good.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (23:13)

So there's a difference between getting out of Egypt when Moses comes, and all you got to do is help me, Moses, and somebody praying for you. You're like, man, I need help. Somebody prays for you. But when you get to the promised land, you need to fight. You need to resist. You need to come against it.

Host (23:28)

A lot of people talk about possession, then they talk about oppression. So I was wondering if you could just tell me real quick, what is the difference? How can a Christian. Is it even possible for a Christian to be possessed? But how is oppression different than possession?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (23:44)

So biblically speaking, there's only one word, and it's demonization. So in our circles, and if I could just be frank and honest to help us swallow this better, it's not.

Joni (23:57)

About in and out.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (23:58)

We broke it down. Oppression is what Christians have. Possession is what non Christians have. Biblically speaking, there is no such a thing. The King James did injustice by translating it like that. And the word possession carries a lot of emotional baggage because of movies and TV shows. Biblically speaking, it's demonization at various degrees where certain people can be demonized at a very small degree, and then there is a very heavy degree. So where there's an obsession, there is an oppression, where there is a total domination. But biblically speaking, is really demonization. Do demons own us? No. Do demons own Anything? I don't think so. Like even if they will gain a control of a person who's not a believer, do they own that person? They didn't create that person.

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Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (24:46)

So I would argue demons don't own anything. They're just simply thieves and killers.

Joni (24:50)

They're squatters.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (24:51)

But they could get a control to a degree. Like remember when the woman came to Jesus and said my daughter is severely. Now the word there is demonized. It's the same word that is used for every case Jesus dealt with when people had demons. And so the biblical terminology is demonization of and the idea is that indwelling demon that is influencing or controlling a person at various degrees. And the remedy for that is getting demons out of that person through deliverance.

Joni (25:23)

With the name of Jesus.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (25:24)

Power of the name of Jesus. Amen.

Joni (25:25)

That's so good. Dorothy. Yes. In your book you talk about two worldviews. You talk about the blueprint in warfare. What is the difference between the two?

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (25:33)

One believes is that and it's a hyper Calvinism and St. Augustine really helped to while he contributed to Christianity in a mighty way but also brought this is more of a Greek view is that everything is pre decided by God and you pretty much are passive spectator into everything happens for a reason. And we use those phrases everything's pretty much God's will. So what you're doing is you just fold your hand and let everything happen as it's supposed to be. The warfare worldview says that there's evil in this world. The world that we see today is not the world God intended it to be. Accidents, abuse, hurt, wars are not God's perfect will. They're simply the war that is taking place. And we are not spectators. We're not passive, we're active. We don't pray prayers of resignation. We pray a prayer of revolt. We fight against Let yout kingdom come, Let yout will be done. Which means we agree what we see is not what God wanted to see. So we fight against that. We do get medical treatment. Why? Because cancer is not good. We don't receive it as a gift from God and say Lord, just teach me something through it. No, we go get the best treatments that we can. We pray against it. We stand in the gap. And so it's better to be a warrior in the garden than to be a gardener at war. It's better to this warfare mentality if you never have to fight. The fact that you're ready is better versus Many Christians view Christian life as like a Disney vacation. It's like everything is about my comfort. No wonder when things don't turn out really well, they get mad at God. And so think about if you would go to a Normandy beach, end up on Normandy beach during World War II, expecting it to be a Disney vacation, you'll be disappointed. But if you're on the Normandy beach and you had one peaceful day, you know how grateful you would be that at that day, no bullet shot you. So when you see the world as warfare, you thank God for good days and the bad days. You know, it's part of the war that we're living in. When you see the world as blueprint, every bad day, you blame God for so good.

Joni (27:33)

So good. Well, we are out of time. So good. Vlad's book make the devil homeless. If you wanna learn more about it, you need to read about it.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (27:41)

It's not that scary. It's not that scary, guys.

Joni (27:44)

Okay. All right. All right. Well, you know, Revelation 12:11 says that we overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony. I want you to remember that you can't have freedom without the deliverer in your heart.

Vladimir Sovcich (Pastor Vlad) (27:56)

Yes.

Joni (27:56)

So if you haven't invited him into your heart to be Lord of your life, you can do that right now where you are listening. I want to ask you this question. If you were to die tomorrow, where would you spend eternity? Do you know the answer to that question? If you don't, then I'm just compelling you to listen to what we're talking about today and invite Jesus in. He's so simple. You just say this little prayer. Y' all repeat after me. Dear Jesus, Dear Jesus. I'm a sinner. I'm a sinner. And I'm gonna ask you today. I'm gonna ask you today. Come into my heart. Forgive me. Wash away my sins. I believe you d on the cross. I believe you died on the cross. And you rose again. Thank you. Thank you for being Lord of my life. I make you Lord of my life. I make you Lord of my life right now. In Jesus name, Amen. Amen. All right. It's just that simple. I always say. My grandpa just said, God, if you're there, he didn't know how to pray. You talk about curses like they had run alcohol across the state lines back, you know, in the. In the forties. And. And there was all kind of crazy stuff that went on in the family. But when grandpa said, God, if you're there, it changed the trajectory of our family. And all of his kids and grandkids would be saved because of his decision. That can happen with you if you've experienced God's delivering power in your life. If you prayed that prayer today, then I want you to call that number that's on the screen. I do want to thank you Pastor Vlad for joining us at the table. Be sure to pick up a copy of his book make the Devil A Biblical Guide to Deliverance from Demons and for more you can visit him online@pastorvlad.org Again, call that number on the screen. If you prayed that prayer, I'd love to send you the Book of John. The Gospel of John is a great place to start as a new believer. It's absolutely free. I want to do that for you, but call and let us know that you accepted Jesus. Also, remember to follow us on all social media, subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content and let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. You can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast available now on all the major platforms. Again, what we talked about is not a scary thing. God is greater than any demon, than any darkness, than any struggle. Okay? So just be encouraged today. We love you. Thank you so much Vlad. Make sure you come back and share more stories with us. We always love having you. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you ladies. Until next time. Bye bye for today.

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