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Joni Lamb
So have ancient gods found new vessels in modern world leaders? Well, today's guest reveals how spiritual principalities are working behind the scenes in global politics and culture and what the church can do about it. But before we get to that, joining me around the table is April Simons. How are you?
April Simons
I'm doing great.
Joni Lamb
And I love this. I love our guests. It's going to be great. Going to be good. Dorothy Newton, he's always so very interesting. Yes, very interesting. I'm going to sit with our entire global audience to just look, listen and learn because the takeaways are always powerful. I love sitting here and learning every day. Rachel Lamb Brown, how are you?
Rachel Lamb Brown
I'm good. I'm so excited about our, about today's guest because I love, you know, learning about what's going on politically. But our guest is going to unpack this spiritual implications of things we see playing out in the news. And I think that is going to be so fascinating as a believer.
Joni Lamb
So good. Rebecca Lamb Weiss, you know, to take ancient Israel and see how it plays into what's going on in the world today is really fascinating. Nobody can break that down better than our guest.
April Simons
Well, you know, it's been so amazing to see this unfolding revelation that God has given our guests over the years and disturbing and to put that into a book, that is a heavy calling. And it's just been we're cheering him on because this is the kind of stuff the church needs because we can't just have, you know, hard news. We need to be empowered to not only discern the times, but also be equipped on how to handle it.
Joni Lamb
So true. So true. And, you know, the program that we're going to bring today is really, it's kind of delving out into a spiritual realm that can kind of sometimes be scary. But, you know, this is the thing we know is that there is a battle that's going on that we can't see with natural eyes. And it is good against evil. And we're going to talk more about that. But just to understand how really nothing is new under the sun. Kendra Kelly Dean, Nothing is new.
April Simons
God designed every piece of it, you know, and there is a spiritual war going on around us. And we as Christians have to be equipped. We have to understand and know what is happening so that we can play our part And I am ready, ready to learn today.
Joni Lamb
Okay. And with that, I'll tell you that Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is at the table.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Yay.
Joni Lamb
Welcome.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Great to be back.
Joni Lamb
It's so good to have you. We're excited to talk about your book. You know, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn went where few would dare to preach the gospel and dethrone false gods. Well, today he reveals what he saw. Reminds us why no spiritual force can stand against the living God. They've written so many great books. Or you went back to ancient Israel and you tied it to what was happening today. And it was fascinating to see the correlation between so many biblical characters and characters that are alive in the world today.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Avatar. Just look at the COVID The Avatar is probably the most explosive book, you know, with this.
Joni Lamb
And because Avatar, explain to our audience what is Avatar.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Avatar is a person or being which represents or embodies another person or being or a God. And the concept comes from the eastern gods. That's where. That's where they come from. That's where the movie got it from. You know, and the thing is, this is going to. You know, I was led this time to really just pull away the veil about everything that's happening right now behind everything. Because the Bible says that we war not against flesh and blood. And so behind even the political realm, even every leader who's on the stage, it's amazing that there's a whole. There's mysteries behind it. There's templates behind it. God is in control behind it, and we are in a war. So.
Joni Lamb
Yeah, and you're talking about a spiritual dimension that people watching right now can't see or even really understand.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Yeah, but they're dealing with it.
Joni Lamb
But they're dealing with it. And it's happening in the world today.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
It's happening in our entire culture. One thing I was led to do at the beginning is, which I've never done in a book, is to share some of the encounters I had with, quote, the gods. There's only one God, but there are spirits, which the Bible says is the spirit. Behind the gods are spirits. You know, the Bible says that the word shedim in Hebrew, it says they worship the shadim. These are entities. And later it became. In the New Testament, it became translated as daimonia, or demonic. So that's what the Bible's saying to begin with, but I didn't.
Joni Lamb
Jesus had to deal with evil spirits.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
He still does. Yeah.
Rachel Lamb Brown
Evil spirits would equal demons.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Yeah, yeah. And demonic. But behind the gods, remember, back then, everybody was worshiping gods except Israel. Everybody was. And so, I mean, that's weird to begin with that. Everybody. But behind it was that. And they also. In every land, all these pagan lands, they saw manifestations of possession. They believe the gods possess them. Well, that makes sense because we're talking about spirits. But I was asked to go. This is what I have not talked about, probably even ever here either or anywhere. I was asked to go to India, okay? Now, India, you've got 30 million gods, okay? So, I mean, they worship that. So that means a lot of spiritual stuff going on. And I was asked to go there because the Indian believers, they traced their faith to the apostle Thomas. They believe that Thomas came there and gave them the gospel. They call themselves the Thomas Christians. So they asked me to come as a Jewish believer to walk in the footsteps of Thomas and make a journey to the mountain where he was killed by tradition and to go up the mountain of Thomas. Okay? So I said, I prayed, I said yes. The moment I said yes, all hell broke loose. I mean, in the congregation, everything crazy. I'm heading. The tickets disappeared as I'm heading to the plane with no tickets.
Joni Lamb
So you know that you're probably in the will of God with all this opposition going on.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
That is correct. It's not comfortable, but it's right by the set. The plane that went to India, I'm looking out the window and there are pieces flying past from the. From the machinery of the. Or the engine is flying. They had to make an emergency landing. That's just to get there.
April Simons
What happened to the tickets? How'd you get on?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
They. They worked something out to get me on. There were no tickets. The entire team had no tickets. It was. If I told. It was just. I've never seen that. But that was just the beginning because then I'm in India. We're in India. We're going to journey across the land, and they decide to take us to the Taj Mahal. Okay? Now, they say, you go to the Taj Mah, they say, but you have to get back. You have to start going back before the fog comes. Well, we didn't. So the fog comes down, and our driver doesn't speak English, and he decides to make good time and races through the fog.
Rachel Lamb Brown
Oh, no.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
So we're going through the fog, and everywhere I see, like. It's like there are accidents all over there turned over, carts turned over, cars turned. Everything was turned over. Finally, we crash into a truck. The truck grabs us. We're latched on, waving back and forth. We Almost turn over. We almost got killed. This is the second day. And later on, I'm reading about there's a God called the trickster God named Krishna. And what he does is, it says he turns over vehicles of his enemies. And the thing is, it says, where did he dwell? On the road between the Taj Mahal and where we were. It was the same road. And so I'm thinking, like, this isn't mythology. There's a real thing using this thing. That's the beginning. Now I'll just say, if it was not for God, I would not have come. I would not have come back alive from India. It's a whole thing. There are people. There were about 200 people trying to get. Following me throughout all India, trying to get to me. Okay, but here's the thing. So finally we had.
April Simons
They trying to get to you?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Get to me. Trying to get to me. Get to me. I won't go into the detail, but Christians were being killed at that time. So I'm heading up. The final thing is to head up the mountain of Thomas. And so as I'm heading up to the mountain of Thomas, there's a guy waiting for me. And he says. He says he's a Christian. He says, I've been waiting. He says. He said, a year ago, the Lord told me there's a curse on this land here. It says. And linked to this mountain, it says the symbol of rejecting the gospel, Jewish blood shed. He said, God told me a Jewish man has to come here, go up the mountain and not get killed. And so I said, okay. He said he didn't know.
Rachel Lamb Brown
He didn't ask what was he. I said, no, he didn't.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Yeah. And he was preaching this in the city of Madras for a year before I came. I had no idea. Anyway, I went up the mountain. I'm not going to go through the details. I didn't get killed. That's a spoiler alert, right?
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Joni Lamb
Thank God.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
But then the next day or that night, they have this big gathering of 70,000 Indians who are not in robes. And at the beginning of the gathering, I said, let me sound the shofar, you know, because, you know, and just for freedom. So they never saw a shofar before. They never saw a Jew before. I sound the shofar and we don't know what happens. Like waves come back. And we said, what was this? It was like, if you can imagine, an exorcism multiplied by thousands of times. It was like a mass exorcism. People screaming, screaming, screaming. And it's like it Goes, it makes sense because that's we're in a land of spirits. And in the Jewish encyclopedia, it says that, you know, well, in the Bible, God says, when you're in battle, you're in warfare. Sound the shofar, sound the trumpet, and you'll prevail against your enemy. Okay, it's just a symbol of God's power. Well, for ages, Jewish people have been using the shofar in exorcisms to drive away the enemy, drive away spirits. But the people in India are not reading that. They just heard it and it happened. Okay, so that was India. I want to give you one more. In the book, there's several lands, and I see the gods and everything, but I'm going to give you one more. One more thing that happens right after I come back. I'm asked to go to Cuba. Fidel Castro decides to open up the island of Cuba for one month to show the world there's some freedom. Not really, but okay. They asked me to come and open it up by sounding the shofar. So I sound the shofar. I minister across the island. I'm in a city in the region called Orientes. A guy comes off the street and says, I have to speak to the Jewish guy. And he says, and it's okay. Who's this guy? He says, a while back, the Indian, we were on the mountains of Cuba, and the spirit said, there's a curse on this island, and Jewish people, or a Jewish person has to come back or has to come here. I'm thinking like, this is sounding real familiar. He says, and then there's this mountain, there's another mountain. They worship the gods on there. They sacrifice the idols and curses. And God told us that curse is going to turn into a blessing and come down the mountain. So I said, I guess I'm going up another cursed mountain again, you know? So I go up the mountain. I'm holding. I have a shofar.
Joni Lamb
Of course you do.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Of course I do. Well, don't be home without it. Amen. And so. So I head up to the top of the mountain. There's the pavilion of the gods. They worship Santeria. There are all these gods. And there's a guy standing in front of the pavilion, and he calls out to me. I don't know. The guy comes over to me. He says, I've been waiting for you. Waiting for me. In his hand is a ceramic plate. The ceramic plate has a painting of me on it. What? And it's me blowing the shofar. And he says, no, no. He says, I'm a believer. God told me to paint this painting and put the plate into the house of the gods, he says that night something happened. The leather broke apart. The plate comes down, strikes the head of the idol, the chief God of Cuba. And the next morning, the worshipers open it up. Sound familiar? Because the Bible opens it up. They find their chief God on the floor. Goddess named Ochun. Her crown is removed and from her head. And there's this platelet. Jewish guy with a shofar. And it struck her head just where the shofar, just where the sound comes out. The word came down the mountain and we found out that revival came to the city. People were coming to their city, to their, to the churches, bringing their idols, saying, smash our idols. We heard what happened on the mountaintop. Revival broke forth. So the thing is, now everywhere I went, there was this encounter with these, with the spirits and with the gods in every place. And God even took me to the source of this goddess in Nigeria. We saw miracles. So everywhere I saw this. And so the thing is, there's so much. I'm just going to. Just giving a taste. But the thing is that this is an issue for America and the west because it's even more dangerous for us because we don't give. You know, America doesn't know about these things, number one. But also these things are real and they don't die. And they try to get anywhere they can. And if you don't know about them, even more so. And the thing is that Jesus gave that parable about the guy who gets delivered of the spirit, but he's the evil spirit, but he stays empty and the spirits come back. Spirit comes back and brings seven others. Okay, we think, okay, that's about a guy don't ever turn away from God. Yes. But it's more than that, because when the gospel came into the west, it drove out the gods, drove out the spirits. We are an exercised civilization. That's why we don't know about these. But the warning is any nation, culture or civilization that has been delivered of these things, if it should ever empty itself of God, what was cast out is coming back in. And so one of the things that the Lord led me to do when I started talking about in the return of the gods is that you can identify the exact spirits or gods that are in the Bible. They mention them that are at work in our culture right now. One of them, Moloch, of course, child sacrifice. We're seeing child. Millions of children have been killed in America. As we turned away from God, the Other one, Ishtar or Ashtoreth, goddess of sexual immorality and gender confusion. You know, whose God was, whose month was June? And all. Well, that's all taken over our culture. Well, so we are witnessing it right there. And remember, do you remember the Olympics? Remember the Olympics? Remember that blasphemous thing? They have this thing of. They have that last supper, but instead of the last. Instead of the apostles, they have men in dress as women. And then they have. Instead of the plate with the communion and the bread and the wine, they have a plate of food, but they open it up. And instead of the body of Jesus, it's a pagan God, Dionysus. This guy dressed up in blue, Dionysus. Well, Jesus drove out Dionysus. Now they're replacing Jesus back with Dionysus. That's what's happening in the culture. And I share. We were talking before, but it's a dangerous thing because there's one guy who actually did that. He replaced Jesus with that God, Dionysus. And his name was Friedrich Nietzsche. Friedrich Nietzsche is a German philosopher in the 19th century. And he said, we got to get rid of Jesus. He's the one who said, God is dead. We got to get rid of Jesus. And he then said, but he adored Dionysus. Dionysus drove his followers insane. At the end of his writing career, Nietzsche goes insane. And instead of signing his name Nietzsche, he signed his name Dionysus. And the thing is. And the thing is, the one his writings went on and you know who picked up his writing? Adolf Hitler. Yeah, and the Nazis made him their philosopher and that. And they exchanged God for the gods, and that's what happens. And so it's a dangerous thing for any nation to do. This. This is where it's at. And so that's where we have been at. And at the same time, God's going to do a surprise. But one thing I know we want to open up is the mystery of kings and the presidents and the people on our national stage. Behind each one of them is a king or queen from the Bible. That's a prototype that's explaining everything about them, what they're going to do. It's so specific. It gives specific events, it gives specific dates, you know, and it's been unfolding to this day up to Donald Trump.
Joni Lamb
Well, share some of this. The ancient kings paralleled with modern politicians, presidents, et cetera.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Okay. All right. When Israel was turning away from God, it had this king called Ahav, and we know him as Ahab. And Ahab knew About God. But he was divided and torn and he starts a culture war against God in his own nation with the help of his queen. Who is Jezebel. Okay, he is going to be. And by the way, let me say something. I got to say this, right? We love all people. We pray for all people. They don't know what they're doing, but they're following this without knowing it. He is the prototype of the leader we know as Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton knew about God divided. He was the one associated with a culture war again, you know, in America, that's when it happened. Had a very powerful wife, you know, a co Regency, co presidency. And Ahab was. Their reign was linked to scandal. Okay, so now even about land. Okay, we didn't even go there. But anyway, now listen, Clinton was on the national stage, political stage, from governor to President for 22 years. Open the Bible. Ahab was on the national stage for 22 years. In the 19th year. In the 19th year of AHAB's reign, that's when a big scandal breaks out. 19th year. Okay, what's the 19th year of Clinton's time on the stage? He began. It comes out to the year 1998. It comes out to. It starts in January, January 1998. The scandal, the Lewinsky scandal breaks out in the exact time now in the scandal of Ahab, okay? He does confess, but then he turns back. But Clinton did not confess until a little bit later. But he confessed, okay? Three years after Ahab confesses, a calamity comes on the nation involves an enemy strike. Okay? Three years after Clinton confessed comes 9, 11 strike on the land. In fact, it's three years to the exact day of the confession. In fact, it's not only September 11th. The exact hour. The exact hour. That's how exact this is. Now, that is just a little bit of one. Okay, let me give you another one. It'll be much quicker. Another one who follows in the footsteps of Ahab is a guy, is a king. Joram, he was a son of Ahab, followed the course, kind of hostile to the things that got. And the thing is that now he's going to be. He's going to be the prototype behind Obama. Obama. And not that he knows it, Obama was on the national stage for exactly 12 years. The time from the Democratic Convention to the end of his presidency. 12 years exactly. Okay, look in the Bible, Joram was on the national stage for 12 years exactly while Obama was on the stage. Well, while Joram was on the stage in the palace was Jezebel. Okay, same Obama. Okay, let's get into this. You want to. Let's get. We're getting. I guess we're no holds barred. Okay.
Joni Lamb
Yes.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Okay. So Bill Clinton had a wife, as we know now. Ahab had a wife, and she was for BAAL worship. BAAL worship is child sacrifice. The one who was the champion that was voted the champion, the abortion champion of the century, was Hillary Clinton. And, you know, very. And the thing is that now people don't realize this, but, you know, Jezebel went on after Ahab. And so. Okay, so what happened. So what happened with Hillary Clinton? She goes on in the capital city. Okay, so Hillary Clinton was on the national stage with her husband Bill, 22 years. You know, after that, she was in public office. And then for two years, she ran for president totals. 14 years in public political life. Okay, okay. Jezebel was on the national stage with her husband for 22 years on her own. Exactly. 14 years. 14 years until she has an encounter with someone else. Okay. Which is gonna open up the door to Donald Trump. But before we open that door, I gotta say one. At least one more. We got two more, but let me give you one more. I don't know if we. It depends. How explosive do you want this to be? Okay.
Joni Lamb
Very explosive.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
All right. I was. I was trying to. I'm trying to be nice.
Joni Lamb
Yes.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
I'm trying to be nice, and you don't let me. Okay, okay. No, we got to pray for all these people. Okay? So. Okay. Joe Biden. Joe Biden is actually in this mystery. The king's name is Jehoram. Jehoram is a weak king, okay? In his reign, first of all, he suffers a disastrous withdrawal from a foreign land. Withdrawal from the land of Edom, which weakens his whole. Well, the beginning of Biden's reign was the withdrawal from Afghanistan, which tainted his whole reign in the days of Jehoram. They have a problem, the nation has a problem with border crossings. People coming in, foreigners coming in unchecked, comes in unstopped. Okay? Also Jehoram. Now, Jehoram knew about the things that God. But he turned against him. Well, you know that the Biden was actually against Roe versus Wade originally, but then he turned totally. Well, the thing is that. Do you remember. Here's another thing. Do you remember when Joe Biden was at the White House, he signed a law called the Respect, which was basically saying that you got to. You're forcing everybody to respect. It's not between a man and a woman anymore at a celebration, all that stuff. Well, and Then lit up the White House in the colors of the rainbow. Okay. When he lit the. Okay, there's one day in the entire Bible when God says, I'm not going to recognize these marriages. It's in Ezra, when they married into the pagan world. And when Ezra got them all together in the capital city and he rebuked them, he said, no, God is not for this. It was a particular date, I believe the 20th of Kislev. Okay, God's saying, I don't recognize it. Well, when Biden did that and lit up the White House, it was the 20th of Kislev. The day that God says, I'm not recognizing the marriages. Okay, now there's so much more. But at the end, toward the end of Jehoram's reign, you know what happens? He becomes physically impaired. Think about Biden. He becomes physically impaired. They don't even know who's running the government. Okay, it might be an auto pen back then. I don't know. And then at the end of time, he has one son left, Jehoram, who's his youngest son. His name is Ahaziah. Biden has one son left. It's his youngest son named Hunter. Okay? Neither Ahaziah didn't follow the Lord, and I don't think Hunter followed the Lord. Okay? But the name Ahaziah comes from Ahaz. It means to seize. To seize. Same thing. In old German is the word Henten for thus the name Hunter. Hunter and Isaiah, it's the same root, the same. They're joined together, Hebrew and old German. I mean, this is how wild this is. And it says that when, you know how. By the time it's not about again, we got to pray for everybody. We speak about when Biden left, you know, his own party was kind of relieved. You know, it says it was. Well, it says that at the end of Jehoram, when he departed, it says it was to no one's sorrow. And that opens the word out. Now, this is going to open up the door to the mystery of Donald Trump. Okay, Now, I don't know. I don't know. We got five. I don't know if you want to go here or not.
Joni Lamb
Yes, go.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Oh, my gosh. You're not helping me. Okay, so there is a. What about Kamala Harris? Okay, there is no. We're not even going to the deeper one yet, which is the avatar. But there was an ancient queen. People don't realize something. Jezebel had a daughter who followed her ways. Now the political daughter of Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris. She Followed, it says, clinton passes the torch to Harris. Okay, What? Her name was Atalia Attalia came to power, but she married. She entered into a political marriage with Jehoram, who is the prototype of Biden. So it was Atalia and Jehoram. It was Harris and Biden. Now, the thing is that Attalia is actually. She is the number two leader in the land, okay? But then she seeks to become number one. And the way she seeks to become number one. And this is not. Again, not about. But this is the prototype. She actually kills the royal children, even her own grandchildren. She kills them, the House of David, because she's afraid they're going to be. They'll throw her out. So she has. So the issue in that is blood of children. Well, one of the things about Kamala Harris, it's not about. We don't know her motives, but her main issue was abortion. Celebrating as we have never seen it in our entire life. She actually warred against people who are pro life and actually, I mean, waged war. And actually, there was one guy who exposed Planned Parenthood, and he should have been rewarded, but he raided his house, launched a campaign. Well, it's interesting because Atalia comes against the House of David. She killed the royal people. Well, this guy's name was David. She comes against the House of David, literally. Now, the other thing. I'm going to bring this here. The other thing is that at the end of her time, she's overthrown, okay? And the overthrowing begins in the temple, in the temple courts. That's where it's overthrown, in the temple courts. And then she goes out and it ends in the valley. It goes from the temple courtyard to the valley. Well, at the very first event of her campaign, when she's nominated with waltz, there's a sign that she's not going to win because it takes place in a place called Temple. The place is called Temple. That's where her downfall begins. The downfall of Attalia begins. The temple courtyard, the yard of the temple, and then to the valley. Well, on the night of the election, she centered her campaign in Howard University and in the place. In the place called the yard overlooking the valley. It was all foretold. It was all foreshadowed. So. And this is going to lead to the mystery of Donald Trump, because there's been a turnaround, and it's not about people. We pray for all people, but the mystery of Donald Trump is totally there. It's gigantic. And it's going to explain where we are, where we're going, what we need to do right now. And it's all. It's God, not man, but he's going to. Because we were at a point until the election where it was. We were sharing before. It was like this agenda was like taking over every. Every institution of culture. You know, our school system, Hollywood, our corporate world, the Department of Justice, everything. And people were afraid to say even simple things, like there are men and women, like, there is male. And people afraid. That's where. If it had gone the other way, this would be very different. But. And that's where it was in the template, in the ancient template. The house of Ahab was about to seal the nation. But God had a surprise. And his name was Jehu. And Jehu will be the mystery of Donald Trump, which we'll get into. I know we don't. And it'll get even more explosive because we're going to talk about an actual. Someone who is, in effect, an avatar on the stage right now. And the ultimate mystery. All right.
Joni Lamb
Okay. We're out of time. And you're going to have to watch tomorrow because we're going to continue. And we just barely scratched the surface. But I want you to remember that there's only one true living God.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
One.
Joni Lamb
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. In a world full of uncertainty and fear, we are called to stand, boldly partnering with God to shine the light and knowing that his power will infiltrate the hearts of men and women, boys and girls. And I'll tell you what, just accepting Jesus, just saying, jesus, forgive me of my sins. Come into my heart. Just by that simple prayer. Everything can change for you, just like it did for all of us sitting at the table. That is the most important decision that you'll ever make. So for those of you that don't know Jesus, I would just ask you to open your heart and say, God, I don't understand all those people around the table, but this is interesting. I sat down and watched some of it. Now this girl's telling me to pray. Yeah, I am. Just say Jesus and he'll meet you right where you are and change your life. You've been looking for something. That's the answer. I'd love for you to call the prayer line number that's on the screen. We have amazing prayer partners that are standing by. We don't want your name, your money or anything. We just want to be a blessing to you. Well, I do want to thank Jonathan Cahn for joining us today. Be sure you pick up a copy of his book, the Avatar it's not the movie Avatar. For more you can visit him online@hopeoftheworld.org and as always, make sure to follow us on social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive content and let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. Of course you can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all major platforms. But thank you so much for watching and those of you that prayed that prayer, go to the phone right now and call us and let us pray with you and send you the the Book of John, which is the Gospel of John from the New Testament. It's our gift to you. It's a great place to start in the Word of God. So we're excited. All right, ladies. Thank you, Jonathan.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Thank you.
Joni Lamb
Okay, we'll see you tomorrow. We're going to hear more good stuff. Stay right there. We'll see you next time. Bye Bye.
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Joni Lamb
So what if the gods of the ancient world never truly left? Well, today's guest shares powerful evidence that three pagan principalities are rising once again, carrying out a dark agenda. I want to hear about that. But a true move of God, of course, has the power to stop them. We have to always remember God is greater than any evil that's out there. Well, before we get to that, join me. Around the table is April Simons. This has been so interesting. Oh, my goodness. I had chills the first show.
April Simons
So if they didn't watch the first show, they need to watch it.
Joni Lamb
Watch the first show. We're going to continue talking this show. Dorothy Newton, you ready? Oh, I'm ready. Wow. My head is like, I know. The more that our guests will give these correlations from the Old Testament to modern day, it's really something, isn't it, Rachel?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Landlord.
Rachel Lamb Brown
It's literally shocking. You know, they say in Hebrew there's no word for coincidence. And it's exactly what I'm thinking this whole time because the similarities and the parallels that you're pointing out are literally staggering.
Joni Lamb
It's so true.
Rachel Lamb Brown
The impossibility of this occurring is insane.
Joni Lamb
Right, Right. That's true. Rebecca Lamb Weiss. It is amazing to see the parallels and kind of. It's like the Bible is just so amazingly written to have these mysteries just hidden in Scripture.
April Simons
Yes. And you know what? God puts mysteries in the Bible because he's calling us into greater intimacy with him. But very few answer that call and spend the time in meditating his Word and receiving that revelation from him. So this is a real gift, honestly, for sure.
Joni Lamb
Kendra, Kelly, Dean.
April Simons
Oh, the viewers need to buckle up.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
I got my buckle up.
Joni Lamb
Well, the first show went so fast.
April Simons
Yeah, it went so fast. I've never been on a show that.
Joni Lamb
Felt that fast before.
April Simons
Me and kids are just looking at each other.
Joni Lamb
Wow.
April Simons
So get the book, rewatch the show, take your notes.
Joni Lamb
Possible for sure.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
For sure.
Joni Lamb
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is our special guest at the table. Welcome back, Rabbi.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Great to be back. Always.
Joni Lamb
So we left everybody hanging.
April Simons
Part two.
Joni Lamb
We're gonna get back to that, so stay right there. But of course, you know, with so much negative news, it can feel like the world is being pulled into spiritual darkness. Well, well, today, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. He's joining us to expose how ancient principalities have shaped pivotal moments in history and what their influence means for the future of our nation and the church. Of course, you've written the book called the Avatar, which is really talking about, if you will, a Spirit or principality that will try to enter. Usually a living something like.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Yeah, an avatar is an embodiment or image of a God or principality or something else. We use it all the time. I mean, the movie made it famous, but people use it on the computers. But it comes from a real concept. And this is behind. You know, I've spoken about the gods and now Avatars is, you know, spirits, which is really. There's one God, but there are many false gods and spirits. They try to take over, they try to inhabit, they try to possess. And it's been trying to happen to America. But we're watching this battle and it's amazing because you have some on one side, but you also have vessels on the other side of God. And so it's going to be amazing. And we're going to. We left off the hanging part was we just touched on the mystery of Donald Trump and that's. We can.
Joni Lamb
We did. And I just want to mention, for those of you watching, this is what number book here?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
This is my 10th book.
Joni Lamb
Your 10th book. You have to go back to the.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
First one, the Harbinger, which is the Harbinger, which I was here when I was here with you.
Joni Lamb
Yeah. And it tells how ancient Israel correlated with 9, 11, and it is shocking. If you go back and read that, then you'll want to read all this.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
But.
Joni Lamb
But this is the newest one, the return of the ancients and the future of America. America has opened doors and windows, if you will, to spirits that have done some damage in America through people.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
That's what. Yeah. You cannot drive God out. You cannot without something else coming in. You cannot. And you cannot. It happened to ancient Israel and we know what happened. And so one of the things interesting that you went back, you mentioned like the Harbinger, because there is in many of them this pattern, because what happened in ancient Israel when they turned away from God is what's happening now. You know, the sign that harbinger are the signs. You know this. We're talking about the people and the principalities, the return of gods, the principalities. So, yeah, so if you drive out God, you can't. We're made for God. So you drive out God, you're gonna have gods, you're gonna worship something, you know, and something's coming in. And so the very things, you know. And again, bringing back to that warning, really from Jesus, the warning that if you. If you drive out, you know, the spirits, but you don't fill yourself with God, the spirits are coming back. Or if you empty it's coming back. That's what happened to America.
Joni Lamb
Okay, so go back, just briefly, tell a little bit about the mystery of Joe Biden and then let's go into Trump.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Okay. Yeah, we gotta have God to go into Trump. Okay, well, one of the mysteries of the avatar, and there is. We can only touch on them, of course, but one of them is that it's not. It wasn't just the gods. There were kings and queens that were part of the nation's fall to the gods, you know, and so, so what happened is when Israel turned away from God, there were kings and queens that actually form an amazing template that is behind what is happening now. The template is so exact that behind the major leaders of our time, each one there is a king or queen in the Bible that they are following that template without knowing it. The template is so exact. It gives exact events, exact people and exact dates or times. And it's been following. It's been happening. I mean, we started with Bill Clinton, we went up to here and so. Okay, bye. Okay, in a nutshell, Biden, behind Biden, he's in the template, is a king named Jehoram. Jehoram is actually a son of king Hezekiah. He actually knew about the right things, but he turned against it. He became apostate. Well, Jehoram was a weak king. And in his day, just some little taste of it. There's a problem of border crossings, people coming into the land, and they're not checking it. So Biden, the reign of Biden, that was the. Also, at the same time, there's a disastrous military withdrawal from a foreign land. It was Edom. Well, with the American Jehoram, it was Afghanistan also. Jehoram kind of goes away from the ways of God. We talked about certain things that he did, whether it's with life or with gender. And the thing is, at the latter part of his reign, the big issue is Jehoram becomes physically enfeebled, physically impaired, Joe Biden. And finally, you know, and what happens, I also mentioned this is just kind of tells you how kind of uncanny it is that even details like the sun, he's got a son. You got one son left. Who? Jehoram, whose name is Ahaziah. Biden has one son left, Hunter. Well, Ahaziah comes from the Hebrew ahaz, which means two Cs. The word the two seas in old German is henton, from thus by thus, hunter. So you got Hunter's name and you got Hazzaiah. Even the same root as the same. I mean, it's crazy. And it goes to. We've saw in some cases, I didn't go yet, but exact dates how long each one will have on the national political stage has been like virtually every single one of them. And it's even gonna go to Trump. But so that sets it up. And so the stages. And by the way, the avatar, if you saw the first program, Joni encouraged me to go even more explosive. Well, this is probably the most explosive book. Cause it's dealing with all these things, and it's really pulling away the veil that God is real, these things are real, that the Bible says the warfare is real. And we have also a real victory, which we'll get to. So the thing is that. So the thing is that the nation of Israel was at this point when the house of Ahab was taking over everything. And if God had not intervened, it would have been the end of Israel right then, because they were being sealed to apostasy. But God has a surprise. We began on the. The surprise is the warrior king, Jehu. Jehu's a warrior, as we said, not a politic. People think he's crazy. Actually, the word crazy is used of him when he says. He says, we don't know who that is driving that chariot, but the driving is like Jehu. Cause he drives crazy. So his race to the throne was crazy. Well, Donald Trump, and no one during.
Joni Lamb
That time would have chosen. Unlikely he would be the least likely.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
To do anything of God.
Joni Lamb
God just chooses. I mean, it is amazing. All through Scripture.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
All through scripture, perfect example. And he was actually even on the wrong side before he was with Ahab and Jezebel and, you know, and Trump was not on the right side of life earlier, but he changed, just like Jehu changed. So Jehu begins. He gets anointed by this prophet. The prophet's scared of him because he comes in, gives him a prophecy, pours the oil, and then runs.
Joni Lamb
Yeah, I remember that.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
He runs. And so. And so he's got a. You know what? Trump is probably the most prophesied over candidate for president we've ever had.
Joni Lamb
Yeah.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
And so the thing is, he begins a race. He begins a race, and the race is crazy. But in order to go to the. To come to power, Jehu has to makes an alliance with the religious conservatives of the nation. So that's why Trump made an alliance with the religious conservatives. I don't think he was planning it. It's like God is just pulling him in, you know, and so he made an alliance. Now when Jehu heads To the capital city. He's got an agenda. You know what the agenda is? To drain the swamp. Trump, drain the swamp. Okay? In order to come to power, Jehu has to come face to face in a showdown against the nation's former First Lady. In the time of the Bible, her name was Jezebel. In our time, the former first lady was named Hillary Clinton. Remember, everybody was saying that Clinton was going to win, it was going to trounce him. All the polls, the template said, no, Jehu's going to win. And so he wins. By the way, let me throw something else that I didn't say before. You know how crazy this is? You know how Jezebel. The downfall of Jezebel. And again, listen, I want to say for this program too, we pray for all people. We have no enemies. We love all people. They don't know what they're doing, okay? And the thing is. The thing is that Jezebel had a downfall. They threw her down. You remember that? When Jay Hooker. They threw her down. Well, you know, Hillary Clinton had a political downfall. That was the end. But here's the thing. On the day that she was nominated at the Democratic convention, I mean, the day that she received the nomination to stand against the American Jehu, okay, you know, you got this queen and a guy makes a speech at the Democratic convention and the whole speech is. This is the speech. They threw her down. They threw her down. They threw her down. They threw the whole speech. They threw her down. But she got up. They threw her down. They threw her down. They threw her down. That was the whole speech. You can read if you take the words threw her down on that night, type it into your computer, it'll take you to Second Kings where Jezebel and Jehu stand face to face. It says they threw her down. It was all there on the very day of the. I mean, that's how crazy. Okay? So Trump, okay, prevails. Now the thing is, what does he do when he becomes. What does Jehu do? Could that give us a revelation about what Trump is doing and gonna do and where this is going? It does. Cuz right now, now Trump is like Jehu on steroids, okay? Because you notice when he came back, it was like, whoa. Like, what's going on here, by the way? Let me just say one other thing. You know how the controversy over the elections and the counting, well, beyond the controversy, let me tell you why he won in one time and did not prevail in the other and prevail the other. The template of Jehu is. I'm getting a little more detail. Jehu first comes against the. He comes against the Sitting King, then he passes that. And then a woman rises up who has an anti biblical agenda, and he comes against her and he wins. Okay? That's the template of Jehu. In 2016. That was the template because first, you remember, Trump was coming against Obama, but then Hillary Clinton became the. You know, and has an agenda and he wins in 2020. That wasn't the template of Jehu. He was the king. There was nothing like that. And he didn't Prevail. But in 2024, the Temple of Jehu resurrects. Wow. Now he comes first thing. He comes against the Sitting King.
Joni Lamb
What happened the former four years?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
This is an example of the template replaying itself. Because it does. Because he comes once, but the template is shown in both. Exactly. Fulfilled in both times. You got each character. And the thing is. And the thing is this, if you want exactly what happens in Jehu, he comes to a battlefield in his chariot and he sees the sitting King, Joram, and he actually takes his arrow, you know, and that's it. But what happened with Trump is he comes face to face with Biden in that debate. That was the first face of it. And what happened? He won. And that was it for Biden, you know, but then a woman rises up, and again, it's not about the woman, pray for the woman rises up with an agenda that is not biblical. And that was Kamala Harris. Okay, so now you got the template of Jehu again. And that's why Donald Trump prevailed again. That's the reason. So it really even gives the exact times, the exact things of that. So what does Trump, what does Jehu do when he comes to the throne? What he does, and you could read it in the Bible commentaries, he purges the government. What has Trump been doing?
Rachel Lamb Brown
Drain the swamp.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Purging the government. Jehu purges the government of the House of Ahab. Trump has been purging the government. And I'm not. Listen, we're not saying everything he does is right. It's not about him. But nevertheless. But he's purging and he's also purging. You know, what Jehu did is he came against the agenda of Ahab, which was baal, which was Ashtoreth. Sexual immorality. The issue of life. What has Trump been doing? He's been rolling back, seeking to roll back the issue of. With life, you know, of children and the issue of gender. The first thing he says, what does he Say on the day of inauguration, there's only two genders we're recognizing male and female. He's rolling it back, you know, and it's not that. Again, it's not that he's studying the original Hebrew. He's just doing it. That's just like. And I don't think Jehu was either. Jehu's just doing it. Okay, so he's doing it. And also, Jehu dismantled the temple of baal. So Trump is a dismantler. He's dismantling these agencies that he sees as being against the values of America, which, you know, Bill. And then, you know, it says, the first person who ever heard about Jehu, Elijah. Remember when Elijah was discouraged and he says, God, I'm the only one left. God says, no, you're not, but I want you to anoint Elisha. And this guy Jehu, that was who. And it says. And then God talks about the sword of Jehu. Jehu's going to come in like a storm. And he does, and he's going to come in like a sword. And the thing is that when Trump was nominated that night, there's a ball, military ball, and they hand him a gift. They hand him. And you know where they hand him? They hand him a sword. He takes the sword and he starts waving it and dancing. He starts dancing. Did you remember that? Dancing. And what president does that? No president does that, but Jehu does that.
Joni Lamb
Well, you know, I want you to tell about his birth and his birth.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Joni Lamb
That's important.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Okay, let me. If it's all right, let me do the mystery of another one's birth. And then, because it'll be a positive when it gets to them.
Joni Lamb
Okay.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
All right, let's go deeper, guys. Let's go even more explosive. And let's pray for these. All right? An avatar is, as I said, an embodiment of another person or God or spirit. And in ancient times, you didn't just have the gods in the pagan world, they considered the kings to be avatars of the gods. For instance, why did the pharaoh. You see the pharaoh all dressed up like that? Because he's dressed up as a God. He represented the God, and so did the kings of Babylon. So all over. So the question. Yeah, so the question is now, if America's been. We've been dealing with this kind of attempted takeover of our culture, basically, because that's what it's about. You know, the spirits aren't interested in coexisting, and they only come in that way, but then they Say, once they're in, okay, every knee bows. We're going to counsel you. Okay? So we're at this point where everybody was almost afraid to say anything. And the thing is that what if we got to the point where it could actually affect. You could have some kind of form of avatars? They actually. Because if you can rule the king, you rule the kingdom. Okay, so here's the thing. The word avatar comes from the east. The word avatar in the east, they believe that particularly, there's one house that particularly is conducive to having people born in it who are used as avatars. Well, it's called the house of Brahmin. From the house of brahman, a person is born. And the name of the person is Kamala Harris, born of the house of avatars. Even her family name, the Hindu family name Gopalang, is named after an avatar. Okay. Now, the name she was given, okay, we all had to learn how to say Kamala, the name that she was given, Kamala, she's named after an ancient goddess. The avatar has to be linked to a God named after an ancient goddess named Kamala. And her middle name, if you missed that, her middle name is Devi, which means the goddess. So her name literally means Kamala, the goddess. And that's in Hindu writings. They talk about Kamala Devi, Kamala, the goddess. Now, her whole life, and again, not that she knows it, her whole life has been following the pattern of this goddess. The goddess, according to the myth was her birth is connected to the waters, to the ocean. Her rise is connected to the waters in the ocean. Kamala Harris was born connected to the ocean. She was born on the San Francisco bay. Her rise is by the ocean, San Francisco Bay. The goddess Kamala becomes the number two ruler of the pantheon, the vice of the pantheon. And the king is named Vishnu. He's the number one. Well, you know how everybody said with Biden, they call him sleepy Joe. Sleepy Joe. Biden is called the sleeping God. Okay. And there's a. There. You know how Kamala always laughs and laughed.
April Simons
Vishnu is called the sleeping God.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Vishnu is called the sleeping God. Yeah. And how Kamala, you know, laughed and, you know, wrong times. Well, the word devi is used in Hindu writing to talk about the laughing goddess, the goddess who laughs. Okay, let me go further. There's a day on the Hindu calendar which is dedicated to the goddess Kamala. She's also called Lakshmi, but Kamala and celebrated in India. Okay. On the day of the goddess Kamala, when they're celebrating in India, Kamala is Born on the day of the goddess Kamala. Not only that, they celebrate the goddess Kamala coming into the world. As they're doing it, she's just come into the world at the same time. Actually, that day is the birthday of the goddess Kamala. She's born when they're celebrating the birth of Kamala. So as she's born, all around the world, they're chanting the name of Kamala all over the world. Again, not about her. We got to pray for her salvation. But the thing is, this is it. Now, the other thing is, in the ancient times, when you had. I talked about the pharaohs and the kings, they had images of the. Of the God kings. They would merge the pharaoh, as you saw, with the God, you know, so, you know, that's the stone. They merged the avatar with the God that it represented. Well, just before Kamala Harris enters the White House as vice president, an image appears on the Internet. It's put up by her own family. And you know what it is? It's an image of Kamala Harris merged with a Hindu goddess. It actually was on the Internet with many going into war with many arms, merged with the goddess. And she didn't do, you know, and the sign of the avatar is that, you know, America was made to be one nation under God, to be governed by God. Think about this again, just as a sign that if she had won, it would be one nation under one called the goddess. I mean, you know, under the God and not the God. And now let's go to. Let's go to the final mystery of Donald Trump. Okay? There's a deeper, even mystery to Donald Trump, and that is this. And actually, it's linked to Jehu, because Jehu, when they first. I told you he was on that staircase, and then he comes down and they declare Jehu is king. Jehu is king. It says they sounded trumpets. So Jehu was linked to Trump. Trumpets. Okay. So now I said, you know, I said when Kamala Harris was born, this Hindu pagan holiday, but when Trump was born, it was actually ushered in a biblical holiday. He was born on Friday that ushers in the Sabbath. That night is the Sabbath. And on every Sabbath, there is a scripture that is appointed for that Sabbath to be read just then. Appointed from ages past for that day. So that means there was a scripture appointed for the Sabbath of Donald Trump. What was the scripture? It was God calling to produce forth the instrument, a vessel, the trumpet, the Trump.
April Simons
Wow.
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
But here's the other thing is I shared on the first show that God says when you're in warfare. Blow the trumpet, the enemy goes, you know, well, and that the trumpet has been used for ages to cast out the enemy and exorcist. Well, think about it. You have an election. Think about this. Pull away the veil. One man is called, one candidate is called the trumpet. The other, her name means the goddess. The trumpet sounds, the goddess goes. And the trumpet prevails, okay? And so, and that's exactly what he's been doing, is rolling back, rolling back the agenda of the gods. That's what the trumpet does. Now, one other thing needs to get in, and that is this. You know, could God be in all this? And it's not again, about the man. Pray for the man. Pray for the woman, Pray for. But there was one. There was one, you know, Jehu was anointed. He was anointed. He's the only king of the north who the Bible says that actually was anointed by that prophet who then ran away. Okay? So could Trump be marked for a purpose for God and whether he'll fulfill it, we got to pray for that. But here's the thing. Remember when in Butler, Pennsylvania, Trump is almost assassinated by a miracle. Fraction of an inch, turns his head, you know, fraction of an inch, okay, there's one ancient anointing. If someone's going to be used of God, the most famous one is the. Is the consecration of the priests. The priest had to be anointed by the blood, had to touch his ear. Now, the blood had to touch specifically the right ear, touches his right ear, got to touch the tip of his right ear. Ear, Touches the tip of his right ear. Then the blood has to touch his hand. First thing that Trump does is he brings his hand up, touches the blood. It has to touch the right hand. That's why it had to be the right hand. It has to be the thumb. The first thing is his right thumb touches the blood, Then it goes down to his feet. Now, the thing is, in order for this to happen, according to the mystery, the shoes of the candidate for the office of priesthood to be used against his shoes have to be removed. So his shoes are removed on that stage as he goes down, stepping on the blood, by the way, on the blood. Now, from the moment the blood touches the right ear, you count seven days to the seventh day. When the seventh day comes, the one who has touched the blood, has touched his ear, receives the investment of the office to then serve. So what happens if you count seven days now, in the Hebrew reckoning, you know, the day begins at sundown. So when that the first thing happened on that Saturday, that's the first day, sundown to sundown, second day, count the sundowns. It leads you to the seventh day. So when is the seventh day? Did anything happen? Seventh day leads you to Thursday night. It begins Thursday sundown, and that comes to July 18th, Thursday sundown. Anything happen at that sundown that night? Trump is standing before the world with a patch on his ear, and he. That's the moment he receives the nomination, the investing to serve in the office of presidency. Seventh day from the blood touching his ear. So therefore, which would tell us there's a reason for this. And the reason has to do with God. And there's even a priestly reason, you see, to bring it home. There's much more in the Avatar. But to just say this, you know, we've got a window of time. Jehu was a window. He was a reprieve. Trump dodged a bullet. We dodged a bullet. And the thing is, so everything's been rolled back. I mean, it's amazing. But this is a window. If we just sit back and say, okay, we got a nice window. If we don't fill this, if, you know, we roll back, but we don't fill it with God, then the spirits are coming back. So we got a window. And the only thing that could save America, if we change the hearts of the people, change the government, but we don't change the hearts of the people, then the unchanged people are going to change the government back. So the only thing that can save America is revived. We got to pray for revival as never before. Work for revival, minister for revival. We got to choose each of us. Hey, but how about I live in revival? Because you can't just pray for it. Because revival is the only thing that you can't make America great again until America goes back to the God who made America great in the first place. And so that is what it's all about. We've got to pray Trump fulfills his calling, but that we fulfill our calling. If my people, God can bring, if he brings revival to America, that then it'll touch the world.
Joni Lamb
So good. So good. What's the kind of, if you will, closing word to those that are watching right now?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
Well, it goes right with this. Listen, guys, we got. My charge to you is we have to. We are at an amazing momentous time critical. We may not have it again. We have to pray each of us. Listen, I'm charging all of us and myself. We have to pray as never before for revival because we may not have this window again. And so we have to act for it, we have to work for it. And listen, it begins with each of us. If you're not listen, it begins with you, it begins with me. We have to choose revival for ourselves. If there's anything in our life, in your life that shouldn't be there, get it out, take a step right today to do that. If there's anything that's not in your life that should be, get it in, start today with it. Revival begins with us. And you know what you do that you follow God. Revival will begin in your heart, in your life, and God is going to bless you. And then we can bring revival to the world.
Joni Lamb
So good. So good. And like Rabbi Jonathan Cahn said, if you don't have that peace in your heart or knowing that if you were to die that you would go to heaven, your simple prayer way because Jesus did the hard part, God sent his only son to die on the cross for you, for me. He paid the price for our sin that we can have eternal life. All we have to do is ask him. Jesus, forgive me, come into my heart and allow him to do what no one else can do. He will give a peace that passes all understanding and even a greater understanding about what we're talking about and understanding that we don't have to fear because God is greater than any darkness. Well, we are out of time. But I want you to remember we have no reason to fear. I just said that Jesus has already won the victory. So let that truth embolden you to pray with faith for revival and a mighty move of God across the world and again for the gospel to be preached to all the world. If you're watching today and you need prayer, if you prayed that prayer, that's why that prayer line number's on the screen. We would love to pray with you. So call us and let us know if you prayed or if you need someone to pray with you or you're just going through something. You say, I just want somebody to talk to and pray with me. That's a toll free number just for you. Well, I do want to thank Jonathan for joining us today. Be sure you pick up a copy of his book the Avatar. He goes into a lot more detail and for more you can visit him online@hopeoftheworld.org as always, make sure to follow us on all social media and subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive content. Let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. You can also listen to to the Joni Table Talk podcast available now on all the major platforms. Thank you so much for watching ladies. Did you love this?
Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
So good.
Joni Lamb
Wasn't it good? I wanted him to keep telling me more. Avatar, you're gonna have to get the book. Thank you so much for watching. Hey we love you. Hey for those of you that prayed that prayer, I'm really excited about the days ahead for you. We'll see you next time. Bye bye for today.
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Podcast: Real America’s Voice | Host: Joni Lamb (iHeartPodcasts)
Guests: Rabbi Jonathan Cahn and panelists April Simons, Dorothy Newton, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Kendra Kelly Dean
Episode Theme: Spiritual Principalities at Work in Politics and Culture—The Ancient Gods’ Influence on Modern Leaders
This episode of Joni Table Talk features Rabbi Jonathan Cahn discussing his latest book, "The Avatar," and delves into the provocative thesis that ancient spiritual principalities (“gods”) are influencing global politics, culture, and specifically the American presidency. Cahn draws dramatic parallels between biblical rulers and modern U.S. leaders, asserting that spiritual warfare underlies today’s headlines. The panel engages in deeply faith-based analysis, aiming to empower believers to understand and confront these spiritual dynamics.
Rabbi Cahn asserts that modern U.S. leaders fit “templates” established by specific Old Testament rulers. These parallels extend to timelines, personalities, and even key events.
The episode is a high-energy, charismatic discussion merging biblical typology, personal testimony, and contemporary political analysis. Rabbi Cahn’s central message is clear: ancient spiritual forces are at work behind the scenes in culture and politics, and only a genuine move of God—a revival at the heart-level—can counteract these forces.
Panelists respond with awe, skepticism, and encouragement for viewers to seek greater intimacy with God and view current events through a spiritual lens.
For further context and deeper exploration, listeners are encouraged to read Rabbi Jonathan Cahn’s book "The Avatar" and follow Real America’s Voice for additional programming.