JONI TABLE TALK - MARCH 8th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: Real America’s Voice – Joni Table Talk (March 8, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Joni Table Talk centers on near death experiences (NDEs), offering gripping firsthand testimony from two guests: Dean Braxton, who claims to have spent two hours in Heaven after clinical death, and Steve Kang, who shares his story of spending eight hours in hell after a suicide attempt. Both guests detail their life journeys, what they witnessed beyond death, and how these experiences transformed them. Rich in spiritual commentary and practical faith applications, the episode underscores themes of hope, redemption, and the power of intercessory prayer.

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1. Dean Braxton: A Journey to Heaven and Back

(Start – 31:09)

Life Before the NDE

• Spiritual Background

  • Dean was not raised in a Christian home, but his grandmother played a key role in introducing him to faith.
    [05:00] Dean: “I wasn’t raised in a Christian family... My grandmother Mary... had what we call the preacher station... But that was the most I had been exposed to anything about God.”
  • At 17, Dean gave his life to Christ after reading the Bible during an illness.
    [05:58] “I would read the Bible... I got to... 'Take my yoke upon you...' I said to myself, if this is true, I want it.”

• Turning Point in Marriage

  • His wife called him out for hypocritical faith, leading to a renewed commitment to God.
    [06:58] “My wife finally came to me one day and said, you're a hypocrite... She planned really to divorce me. I just remember going to God and saying... ‘I will do it your way 100%.’”

• Professional Life and Ministry

  • Dean worked in the juvenile justice system, running highly successful drug intervention programs, often praying with Christian staff over cases.
    [08:28] “Most of my staff were Christians... behind closed doors... lay hands on the files and we pray.”

The Medical Crisis and Death Experience

• How He Died

  • A kidney stone led to an undiagnosed infection; after surgery, poison entered his bloodstream and he became septic, resulting in clinical death.
    [09:57] “They pushed the poison into my bloodstream and I became what you call septic... It’s all in the records... you can say I didn’t go to heaven, but you can’t say I didn’t die.”

• Sensations of Death

  • Dean’s deepest fear was dying by suffocation, which occurred as his lungs shut down—yet he found unexpected peace.
    [10:48] “I thought I would be panicking... But... what rose up on the inside of me... was ‘I’m going home’. Joy, peace, comfort... I did not have fear of death.”

Describing Heaven

• Out of Body Experience

  • He recalls traveling upward through the hospital, the sky, and space, at incredible speed, overtaken by “prayers” interceding for him.
    [12:31] “I knew I was going at a high rate of speed... those lights passing me by... were the prayers that people were praying for me.”

• Immediate Impressions

  • Entering Heaven, he felt ultimate rightness, belonging, joy, and peace beyond mere visual beauty.
    [13:26] “All I saw was light... you experience it... all five senses... I fit. This is where I’m supposed to be.”

• The Throne Room and Jesus

  • Dean knelt automatically before Jesus, overwhelmed with gratitude for Christ’s sacrifice.
    [15:29] “When I first saw Jesus, I went down on my hands and knees... not because someone’s making you, it’s automatic... you are before your Lord and King.”

  • Saw Jesus’ scars, but was most impacted by Jesus’ love.
    [16:41] “You see the scars... What matters is the love he has for you... If anything is saying it’s Jesus, it’s the love.”

• Relationship with the Father

  • In Heaven, he was able to see the Father, experience His smile as affirmation, and interact directly because he was clothed in Christ’s righteousness.
    [18:10] “When I looked at the Father... His smile said it to me. It wasn’t words.”

• Heaven’s Welcoming Party

  • Dean describes being greeted by four groups: family, those he’d led to faith, friends, and every pet he’d ever had.
    [19:05] “Anybody you helped to come to know Jesus... Any friend... and your favorite, every pet you ever had.”

  • On pets in heaven:
    [19:48] “I didn’t believe they went to heaven... here I am in heaven and they were coming in.”

• Family Reunion Across Generations

  • Met ancestors and saw his grandmother Mary (who had prayed for him) leading the way.
    [20:50] “She was right out front... In my heart I had a desire to give my grandma a hug for praying me into the kingdom... I really believe God honored that.”

  • Everyone appeared radiant and full of pure joy—ageless.
    [22:05] “It was generation after generation... Everybody in my family tree... The essence: they had joy, pure joy. They were shiny... had a big smile. No worries.”

• Surprises in Heaven

  • Startled to see certain family members (Aunt Barbara) present.
    [23:55] “My Aunt Barbara. I had Aunt Barbara in hell and there she is in heaven.”

  • Witnessed Jesus' active planning to reach every soul on earth.
    [24:07] “Jesus... was strategizing... He has a detailed plan on how to reach everybody on the planet.”

The Return to Earth

• Being Sent Back

  • Three times Jesus indicated Dean could not stay; finally, in a crowd, Jesus declared, “No, it’s not your time. Go back.”
    [25:31] “He only spoke to me those times. Everything else was thought to thought. But when he opened his mouth... that power coming... total comfort.”

  • Returned to life as doctors were filling out his death certificate, with no expected brain damage thanks to his wife’s unwavering faith and prayer.
    [27:47] “They thought I would have brain damage... my wife battled for me... She didn’t let anybody in the room that didn’t believe I could be totally healed.”

• Adjusting to Life After

  • Dean’s personality and marriage fundamentally changed; he and his wife had to build a new relationship after his return.
    [28:39] “I was just a different man... We had to build a whole new relationship afterward because I was different.”

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Memorable Quotes from Dean Braxton

• “You come to reality. That’s a reality... nothing can separate you from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” [16:41]
• “When you’re plugged into the love of God, you receive it.” [17:15]
• “Family was created in the first chapter. Family was created to be together forever.” [22:55]

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2. Steve Kang: Eight Hours in Hell

(34:53 – 1:02:31)

Spiritual Background

• Devout Buddhist Childhood

  • Raised in an affluent, all-in Buddhist family in South Korea; struggled with deep existential questions from a young age. [38:31] “I was not a nominal Buddhist. I was an all-in Buddhist... asking the monks, ‘why is there so much injustice in this world?’”

  • Prayed regularly out of fear of negative reincarnation, seeking peace but never finding fulfillment. [39:58] “A lot of guilt tripping... If you don’t pray, you’re going to have a worse next life... I was like, I’m not going to be no bird in my next life.”

• Relocation and Identity Crisis

  • Moved to the U.S. at age 9, struggled to fit in as the only Asian American in his town.
  • Later returned to Korea and gained temporary peace, but an underlying sense of spiritual unrest remained.

Downward Spiral and Suicide Attempt

• Loss and Despair

  • Family’s bankruptcy led him into a destructive lifestyle involving drugs and crime in a “drug dealing house.” [43:27] “I didn’t remember being sober... during that whole summer of 19.”

• Drug Overdose Leading to NDE

  • Smoked a fatal mix laced with heroin, cocaine, PCP—felt anxiety, hallucinated, and spiraled into 10 days of mental torment with intense demonic activity. [44:54] “When you pray, heaven’s open. When you do drugs, hell opens... Hell was open. I was getting attacked.”

  • Attempted suicide with a knife; police intervened as his mother called 911. [48:12] “I grabbed the biggest knife I could find... on my knees in the living room... do I go in? Do I go sideways?”

Experience of Hell

• Falling Into Darkness

  • Out-of-body experience—rather than rising as in many NDE accounts, he “sank” downward.
    [49:36] “Instead of going up, I just started sinking. It was so scary... I landed... and I’m not on earth anymore and I’m not in heaven for sure. I was in hell.”

• Hell’s Reality and Suffering

  • Saw darkness, rocks, immense demons, and countless tormented souls. [50:59] “It’s so crowded, so many people there... I saw utter darkness. Purple, reddish rocks everywhere. I saw demons... they were going to torture us soon.”

  • Described the utter absence of God, overwhelming fear, and knowledge of his guilt and fate. [51:25] “There’s not even a drop of God... utter fear, anxiety, condemnation, guilt, hopelessness multiplied by 100.” [52:00] “I knew when I got there that I was a sinner. I knew I was going to be here forever and ever.”

• Supernatural Rescue

  • His mother, desperate, contacted a Christian friend who mobilized eight pastors to pray during his surgery.

  • While the monks refused help, the church interceded and his life was spared.

  • Upon awakening to the pastors, he immediately accepted Christ. [54:52] “She goes, what did you see? I told her what I saw, she goes, you just saw biblical hell. Do you want to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior of your life? I said, yes, I do.”

  • Prayed the sinner’s prayer 10 times in fear of returning to hell. [55:33] “When I woke up, I prayed it 10 times because I didn’t want to go back down there.”

• Total Family Transformation

  • Both Steve and his mother converted to Christianity. [56:04] “We went for... from Buddhism to Christianity.”

Life After Hell and Restoration

• Marriage and Healing

  • Met his wife (a pastor’s daughter and church pianist), whom he credits with helping him heal and grow in faith.
  • Pursued bi-vocational ministry and a career, eventually joining the U.S. Army.

• Vision of Heaven

  • Still tormented by hell for 9 months, God gave him a life-changing vision of heaven, marked by peace, beauty, and the voice of the Father. [57:54] “He showed me heaven... filled with peace and love... I met the Father... I saw the gold streets, the gold city, I heard angels worshiping.”

  • Received a message: [58:53] “‘Jesus Christ is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Listen to him.’ ... I can’t backslide no more. I got to walk right with God.”

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Notable Quotes from Steve Kang

• “When you do drugs, hell opens.”
• “There’s not even a drop of God... utter fear, anxiety, condemnation, guilt, hopelessness multiplied by 100.” [51:25]
• “I didn’t have the capacity to pray... other people's prayer will save them. That’s called intercession.” [55:39]
• “[Heaven] was just like the Bible: streets of gold, walls of gold... And I knew that this is my home. And it's everyone's home that accepts Jesus as Lord, not any other God, only Jesus.” [58:34]

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3. Key Insights and Themes

The Power of Intercession

• Both stories emphasize the critical role of prayer—by family, friends, and communities—in bringing the dead back or shielding souls spiritually.
  • Dean: “Those lights passing me by... were the prayers that people were praying for me.” [12:31]
  • Steve: “If the people didn’t pray, where I would be?” [55:10]

The Reality of Eternity

• Heaven and hell are depicted as literal, eternal destinations, with profound sensory and emotional realities.
• Both guests affirm scriptural accounts over their visions and were changed by the love and authority of Jesus Christ.

Overcoming Fear; Life Transformation

• Fear of death is dispelled for believers (Dean); for those outside Christ (Steve), death brings terror—until Jesus intervenes.
• Both lives demonstrate radical transformation—spiritually, relationally, and vocationally—after their encounters.

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4. Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

• Dean on seeing prayers as lights racing past him [12:31]
• Dean describing kneeling before Jesus as “automatic” [15:29]
• Dean on pets in heaven [19:39]
• Steve’s harrowing descent to hell [49:36]
• Steve’s realization of utter separation from God [51:25]
• Steve’s “rescue” by the prayers of strangers [54:08]
• Steve hearing the Father’s voice in a dream of heaven [58:53]

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5. Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:18] – Introduction of Dean Braxton and roundtable

• [05:00] – Dean’s salvation and early life

• [09:01] – The day Dean died

• [11:29] – Dean’s NDE detailed account

• [13:26] – Describing heaven and the presence of God

• [18:10] – Facing the Father

• [19:05] – Who greeted Dean in heaven

• [25:31] – Jesus tells Dean to return

• [27:47] – Dean’s wife’s faith and Dean’s return to life

• [34:53] – Introduction of Steve Kang

• [38:31] – Steve’s Buddhist background

• [43:27] – Steve’s spiral into drugs

• [44:54] – The “Death Bowl” and demonic attacks

• [48:12] – Suicide attempt and NDE begins

• [49:36] – Arrival in hell

• [54:08] – Rescue through intercessory prayer; awakening, conversion

• [57:54] – Vision of heaven and total healing

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6. Conclusion & Takeaways

• Heaven and hell are not only theological concepts but are described as concrete, visceral experiences that correspond with biblical teachings.
• The love of God, made real through Jesus, not only awaits believers but transforms them even now—dispelling fear and offering new life.
• Never underestimate the unseen power of prayer—even strangers’ prayers can alter eternity.
• Personal transformation after NDEs can be profound, affecting every relationship, purpose, and future decision.
• Salvation is presented as a free gift, immediately accessible to anyone who calls on Jesus—regardless of their past, religious background, or the depth of despair.

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Resource Mentions

• Dean Braxton: "Deep Worship in Heaven" (Book)
• Steve Kang: "Eight Hours in Hell" (Book)
• Websites: danbraxon.com, allnationsjc.org

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This episode leaves listeners with the clear message: Where you spend eternity matters, and God’s grace is available—forgiveness, new beginnings, and hope—for all who seek Him.

Transcript

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[Joni Lamb]

Well, one heartbeat, one breath. That's all it takes to cross from earth to eternity. Well, today's guest crossed that line and came back with a story that you'll never forget. He actually died for almost two hours. But before we get to that, joining around the table is April Simons. Can you believe he's sitting here? I can't. And we don't hear too many of these stories and I can't wait to hear his what he saw and everything about it. Yeah. Anna Kendall. I love to hear near death experiences. So do I. And I think I heard him say that there will be animals in heaven,

[Dean Braxton]

which I believe with all my heart. There will be.

[Joni Lamb]

Mine will be there. Okay. Rachel Lamb Brown. How are you?

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

I don't even know how it's possible that someone could die for that long and not have like oxygen, you know, like damage without having oxygen that long. So I'm curious.

[Joni Lamb]

It's a miracle. They called him the miracle man. That's what the doctor called him. Rebecca Lamb Weiss, you love near death experiences.

[Dean Braxton]

I do.

[Joni Lamb]

And when I found out we were having this guest on, I was really excited because I could never hear enough of them. I know. Dorothy neighbor.

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[Joni Lamb]

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[Kristen Davis]

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[Dean Braxton]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, and Dean Braxton, welcome to the table.

[Dean Braxton]

Thank you.

[Joni Lamb]

Thank you for being here to share. I'm so excited about it. You know, it was supposed to be a simple surgery, but when Dean Braxton died on the table, he found himself face to face with Jesus. Well, today Dean shares about his astonishing two hour trip to heaven and how his wife's fervent prayers and others brought him back. Okay, so let's just go back a little bit and talk about when you gave your heart to the Lord. Kind of take us through the journey of your life before this event happened.

[Dean Braxton]

You know, Joni, just to let you know, I'm. Thank you for having me. But, you know, I came to know Jesus Christ at the age of 17. I wasn't raised in a Christian family. We didn't go to church on a regular basis or any of that stuff. I believed in God, because I heard it. My grandmother Mary, she. When we go visit her, she would always have what we call the preacher station. On

[Joni Lamb]

the preacher station.

[Dean Braxton]

The preacher station. And it was in the house, and we had to listen to it whether we wanted to or not, you know. But that was the most I had been exposed to anything about God, you know? And then at the age of 17, I went to church on a Sunday, and then someone gave me a Bible. And then I ended up having a problem with my legs and walking on the. On the. Three days later. And I was in a lot of pain from 3 March to 28 March. And the only thing that would take away the pain was me reading that Bible.

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[Dean Braxton]

So I would read the Bible. And as I read the Bible, I got to a point where it said, take my yoke upon you and learn of me. And when I read that part, I said to myself, if this is true, I want it.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Yes.

[Dean Braxton]

And that's how I became born again.

[Joni Lamb]

And eventually you recovered.

[Dean Braxton]

Yes, I did recover.

[Joni Lamb]

And so ended up going into the military.

[Dean Braxton]

Yes, into the military. I went into the military because I wanted to. I went to junior college, you know, community college, and I didn't have enough money to finish. You know how that is. So I went into the military. Military. And of course, they did help me end up with a master's in pastoral counseling and those type of things. So that's why I mainly went in the military.

[Joni Lamb]

And there was a moment, like even during your walk, where you said that you knew you were saved, but it wasn't like a total surrender. Like, you kind of had one foot here and one foot over there, but there came a moment where you just kind of had a moment where God just said, you know, time to make a decision.

[Dean Braxton]

Yes, yes.

[Joni Lamb]

And what happened?

[Dean Braxton]

Well, what really happened is my wife got tired of me being a hypocrite. And my wife finally came to me one day and said, you're a hypocrite, and I just don't want to be with this type of person anymore. And she had planned, really to divorce me. And I just remember going to God and saying, God, I've tried it my way. It has not worked. I will do it your way 100%. And she saw the change in me, and she came to me about two months later because I changed so much. She said, you act like a Christian, is what she said.

[Joni Lamb]

When did you tell her? I prayed and asked Jesus to help me. But you went on to help men, especially with addictions, talk a Little bit about that.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, I was in the.

[Joni Lamb]

I mean, God took your life and just used you after this happened.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, I was in the juvenile justice system, and I loved my job, and I loved what I was doing. I worked with kids. I love kids, you know, teenagers. And I ran drug and alcohol programs, inpatient program. I never was in recovery, but I seemed to be the person that just kind of, like, helped those people or helped people in that situation and be successful at it. Almost everything I touched in the Seattle area, that's why I became a politician, prospered. And it made others look good. It made politicians look good, to be honest with you. And one of them was drug court,

[Joni Lamb]

because you had a high success rate in these kids. Not coming back or getting involved in crime or drugs or alcohol.

[Dean Braxton]

Really high one. We had the best in the nation at the time.

[Joni Lamb]

But you were praying over all those.

[Dean Braxton]

What we would do.

[Joni Lamb]

Nobody knew about this.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah. Most of my staff, we're Christians, and so we would be behind home doors, behind closed doors, rather, and we lay hands on the files and we pray, you know, over them. And as we prayed over them, God would give us wisdom, how to work with the families and the kids.

[Joni Lamb]

And of course, in a little bit, you're gonna hear about those prayers from heaven's perspective. Okay, we'll save that for the audience. Right? Okay. Okay. So let's fast forward. You're in your 40s, and what happened. You woke up one morning and you had a meeting.

[Dean Braxton]

One of the mornings. I was supposed to be doing court that day, and I always called it my court day. My job was to arrange everything for the judges, for everybody to be the team. I was the manager. I was managing this whole program. And there was a lot that was in. But early in the morning, I got up and I had a kidney stone. Then it was stuck on the. And I knew it was a kidney stone. I thought for sure I could fight through it for the day. But I went to work, didn't make it through, drove back.

[Joni Lamb]

Very painful. Kidney stones are very painful.

[Dean Braxton]

Matter of fact, as I was driving home, I was up chucking as I was driving home because it was so much pain. And then I went to the hospital, to the emergency room, walked in there, said, hey, it's a kidney stone. They said, yeah, it is. And then they decided that they would keep me overnight because I had a kidney inspection. They got ahold of my wife. She worked in the medical field. They called her from a different hospital. She worked as a nurse in the medical field, and she Came and that next. That night, they gave me a lot of antibiotics, thinking it took care of the infection.

[Joni Lamb]

Because you had a kidney infection?

[Dean Braxton]

Yes, had a kidney infection. The next morning they blasted the stone. But what they also did, because they didn't realize that the infection was still there, is they pushed the poison into my bloodstream and I became what you call septic. That's why everything is documented. You know, it's all in the records and everything like that. I always tell people, you can say I didn't go to heaven, but you can't say I didn't die.

[Joni Lamb]

It's all there. So it's there. So what happened? Was it your heart first, your lungs? What started shutting down?

[Dean Braxton]

What shut down first was my lungs. I suffocated. And it was the worst death. I could have died. Let me tell you why. Because I had fear of suffocation, because I almost drowned as a little kid.

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[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, it was like the number one. I used to go to God on a quarterly basis. Really, you guys? And people didn't know this. And I'd say, if I'm going to die, don't let it be suffocation. And here I am dying, I'm suffocating.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

So you could feel that. You could feel yourself losing breath.

[Dean Braxton]

I couldn't get it in. You know how you're breathing and when you're breathing, you go like that. And I thought I would be panicking. I thought I would be hysterical. I thought I'd freak out. But you know what happened all of a sudden? What rose up on the inside of me because I'm born again now. All what rose up on the inside of me were these words. I'm going home. Joy, peace, comfort came all over me. The Bible said In Hebrews, the second chapter, the 14th and 15th verse, that really when Jesus died on that cross, he took the fear of death. I experienced it. I did not have fear of death. I really believe everybody that's born again, when that moment comes upon them, they're not going to have the fear because he said he took it away.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so start from you leaving your body and continue on.

[Dean Braxton]

When I left my body, I saw this light right before me. And it looked like a window. It wasn't a window. That's the best way I could describe what it looked for. I knew that's where the Father and Jesus was. And I was heading in that direction. And I remember going through the ceilings. Boom, boom. Of the hospital. To this day, it's in my head still. I remember going out into the blue sky up there in the Seattle area. You know, it's beautiful up in Seattle on a clear day.

[Joni Lamb]

You remember going through the Peru?

[Dean Braxton]

I remember all of that.

[Joni Lamb]

Into the sky.

[Dean Braxton]

Into the sky. I remember traveling through the sky and entering into what we call the universe. Going by the planets. I remember all those type of things.

[Joni Lamb]

What a ride then.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, right. All right. And then I remember hitting this dark area, and it was dark. It was so dark. That's where I believe people say they saw the light at the end of the tunnel. Okay. I saw that window before me, and I was headed for it. And then all of a sudden, I saw these other lights passing me by like I was standing still.

[Joni Lamb]

Even though you knew you were going at a high rate of speed?

[Dean Braxton]

I knew I was going at a high rate of speed. You know, I tried to sometimes measure it by the speed of sound. That's too slow. By the speed of light. That was too slow. I have to use the word of God, which says to be absent from the bodies, to be in the presence of the Lord faster than you can blink. I was there. And yet those lights were passing me by like I was standing still. And I came to understand they were the prayers that people were praying for me.

[Joni Lamb]

And we're going up ahead of it, you know. Okay, so you see this light and you're headed toward it.

[Dean Braxton]

Okay, so I'm headed toward that light. And those prayers are passing me by. And I enter in. Just to this day, I even have to stop and think about. Because, you know, I'm reliving it as I'm telling you right now, you know, I'm not just telling you a story that I'm remembering. I'm reliving it right now. And I remember coming in, and when I came in, all of a sudden everything was right. There was nothing wrong. It was past peace, and I fit.

[Joni Lamb]

And what did you see around you when you first came through?

[Dean Braxton]

When I first came in and all I saw really was light. It was like, you know, a flash of light went like that. All of a sudden, I'm in this. And you don't just see, you experience it. So all five senses are experiencing it all at the same time, you know? So when I came in and all of a sudden I'm in this rightness and I fit. This is where I'm supposed to be. This is what I'm created for. I knew that.

[Joni Lamb]

That overwhelmed almost. What you saw.

[Dean Braxton]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

It's what you were feeling, what you were smelling, what you were hearing. So you Felt like this is the place that I've always meant to be.

[Dean Braxton]

This is where I was. This is what I was created for. That's what it was. Feeling like, this is what I. And the thing that really got me, it was not just that I was created for it, but I was created never to be out of it.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Wow.

[Dean Braxton]

That's what really, really, really hit me,

[Joni Lamb]

because I've interviewed people who came through that. That light you're talking about, and they would see a field of the most beautiful colors that you would never see on earth, and others that saw heaven's gates or the streets of gold or heaven itself. But you actually went almost right into what we would call the throne room.

[Dean Braxton]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

And so tell us what happened there.

[Dean Braxton]

Well, I did see all those other things.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, you did?

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, I did see.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, you didn't tell me about it. Did you tell us some of the things you saw.

[Dean Braxton]

They're good, but they're almost like a retract. I have to go back because I'm experiencing this first. Okay. But I did see trees. I did see flowers. I did see. You know, in that book right there, I describe all of those things coming before the throne of God and literally giving him worship, you know? But the reality of it is they didn't matter to me. And the reason they didn't matter to me is because I wanted to be where Jesus is.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Right.

[Dean Braxton]

I used to say this all the time. I went where the Father and Jesus is. I didn't go to heaven to go to heaven. I went there because Jesus and the Father were there.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay. So. So all of a sudden you talk about that you saw Jesus and what happened to your body.

[Dean Braxton]

Well, when I first saw Jesus, I went down on my hands and knees. I went just like so that every

[Joni Lamb]

knee shall bow and every tongue confess. Yes, that's what the Bible says will happen.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah. And I kind of. What did you say? Counteract it with a song. You know, that song says, I could only imagine. I'm telling people. You don't have to imagine. God's already tell you what you're going to do. You're going down on your hands and knees right when you get there. And you're not going down because someone's making you go down. You know, sometimes we say, everyone, lift your hand or do that. It's automatic because you're before your Lord and Lord and King of kings.

[Joni Lamb]

But that was something that you felt honored to do because of what, his presence, how it affected you?

[Dean Braxton]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Did you call him Father or did you call him by name, anything.

[Dean Braxton]

You know, I did say those things later on, but when I first saw Jesus, okay, all I could say was this. You did this for me. I was so grateful, so honored that he died on that cross. Paid for my sins. Literally died my death. You find out that you don't die. Your body dies, but you never die.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right.

[Dean Braxton]

You know what I mean? And most people don't realize it isn't that the body dies and the spirit leaves. It's the spirit leaves and the body dies.

[Joni Lamb]

Did you see the scars?

[Dean Braxton]

Oh, yeah. You see the scars, you see the nail prints? You see them all. But they don't matter to you. What matters is the love he has for you. Can't no one love you like that. And that's what you really. If anything is saying it's Jesus, it's the love. You know how the Bible says nothing can separate you from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. You come to reality. That's a reality.

[Joni Lamb]

You talk about that over and over. That the love that you experienced from being in his presence was so overwhelming that you can't describe it.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, you can't describe. You were created for it.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Yeah.

[Dean Braxton]

I think sometimes we try to understand things that we were never meant to understand, but we were created to receive it. We're wired to receive. It's like a plug. I can't tell you everything about electricity, but I can tell you right now, when that plug's plugged in, it receives it. When you're plugged into the love of God, you receive it.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so what about your relationship with the Father? I mean, you talked about Jesus. We think about the Father, Son, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was with you on the whole journey?

[Dean Braxton]

The whole journey.

[Joni Lamb]

And so when your attention focused on the Father, what happened?

[Dean Braxton]

When I looked at the Father and I remember looking at the Father, and sometimes people say you're not supposed to be able to see him. You got to understand, you're in the righteousness of Jesus now. You're no longer your righteousness. It says, you know flesh cannot see him or you won't. No, that's your flesh. Your flesh is left. Back on the planet, your flesh couldn't.

[Joni Lamb]

Nor your normal senses wouldn't have been able to see, but you had a whole new set.

[Dean Braxton]

That's correct. Because of who you have on the inside of you, which is Jesus Christ. So when I looked at the Father, I remember looking at him and the thing, you know how he says, we all want to Hear, well done, thy good and faithful servant. His smile said it to me. It wasn't words that came out of his mouth.

[Joni Lamb]

So were you thinking about all those kids that you had helped, like you knew that was part of what he was thinking?

[Dean Braxton]

I didn't think of any of the kids that would help. I will tell you this. Some of those kids came to greet me in. Because when you are working in the field I worked in, you lose kids, you know, to a number of things. Gang violence, drowning, car wrecks, shootings, you know, all that type of stuff. And some of those kids, whether we like it or not in the sense of their lifestyle, they accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. And when they left the planet, they went to be with the Father and Jesus.

[Joni Lamb]

And so they greeted you.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah. There's four groups that come to greet you in. Your family comes to greet you in. Okay. Anybody you help to come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, they come to greet you in. It doesn't mean you led them in the center party, maybe you brought and they accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Okay. Any friend you ever had, it doesn't matter how long ago it was, if they were your friends when you were two years old and they went on to accept Jesus and you went on to accept Jesus. When you get there, if they're there before you, they come to greet you in. And the last one, your favorite, every pet you ever had.

[Joni Lamb]

Aw, see, that's awesome.

[Dean Braxton]

And I know some people say they don't go to heaven. I didn't believe they went to heaven. And here I am in heaven.

[Joni Lamb]

I believe they do.

[Dean Braxton]

And they were coming in and I could tell people one of the scriptures I use.

[Joni Lamb]

You're telling me my dog Lassie's going to be there?

[Dean Braxton]

Well, I tell people all the time as I tell them, you got to remember, when God created animals, he created them to live forever. They were created in the first chapter of Genesis.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right.

[Dean Braxton]

You know, and it wasn't a giraffe, it wasn't a zebra that went over there to see it. It was a man.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes.

[Dean Braxton]

And I can go through Scripture where God cares for animals. The last one I use is Psalms, the 36th chapter, the sixth verse, it says, God is the one that preserves man. God is the one that preserves animals. The word preserves means save.

[Joni Lamb]

Hallelujah. So what of your family do you remember seeing?

[Dean Braxton]

Oh, that was good. That was really good. My family came to greet me. In out front is my grandmother Mary, the one I would tell you about. That had the preacher thing.

[Joni Lamb]

She was like, thank God you made it.

[Dean Braxton]

I really believe she is the one that prayed me into the kingdom of God.

[Joni Lamb]

She was right out front.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, she was. Because after I became born again, she went on to be with Jesus about three months later. And I never got to talk to

[Joni Lamb]

her, and she never got to see what all God did in your life.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah, in my heart, I had a desire to give my grandma a hug for praying me into the kingdom of God. And I really believe God honored that when I got there. Here she is out front. You know, I didn't get to hug her because I really believe if I hugged her, I wouldn't be here right now.

[Joni Lamb]

Do you see people as you see them here? Like, would you go.

[Dean Braxton]

You see them better than here because there's no time, so you can't put them in time. People look good when they get there. And I always. I tell people, you look good when you get there, and the next moment you look better than that, and the next moment you look better.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

But what age are people?

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, I was gonna say there's no

[Dean Braxton]

time, so you can't age a person there.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

So do you go to heaven like how you died when you died?

[Dean Braxton]

When I got there, I was what God wanted me to be in that moment. Okay, so that's different.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Did your grandma look like a grandma?

[Dean Braxton]

She didn't look old or anything like that.

[Joni Lamb]

But you just knew it was her, you know?

[Dean Braxton]

And the scripture reference I use, I use the Bible a whole lot when I'm telling this is when Elijah and Moses was on the Mount of Transfiguration. The disciples of the apostles knew who they were. Right.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, who else did you see in your family?

[Dean Braxton]

I saw other relatives that had been grandparents, uncles and aunts. But what really got me wasn't the ones that I'd seen on the planet when I was here. It was generation after generation after generation after generation after generation after generation of everybody in my family that was there. They came to greet me, my entire family tree. And I remember later on meditating on this in the hospital room because I had separated myself from my family, to be honest with you, I was born again. They dug their thing over here. I was doing my thing over here. I wasn't going to be around them, those type of things. And here I am in heaven, seeing my family come to greet me in. And I remember in my hospital room saying, this family's important to you, God. Family was created in the first chapter. Family was created to be together forever. Most of Us don't realize that. And I know some of us think, ah, there's some people I do not want to be together with forever. But if they know Jesus Christ, and you know Jesus Christ, you get along with them, they get along with you, there's no more issues. What got me about my family describing, if you want to describe what I don't. It's hard for me to describe the looks, because how do you describe a person out of time? They're not in time. So I describe the essence. I tell people they had joy, pure joy. They were shiny, and then they had a big smile. They had pure joy. The best way to explain that is when you become born again or you have a child and you hold that baby in your heart for the first time. The second one is that they shine. Why were they shining? Because Jesus Christ was shining out of them. And the third one, listen to this, is they had a big smile. The reason they have big smile, cause they had no worries. Think about it. You would be smiling all tight. And then I always tell people, you know, you in heaven when your entire family's smiling all at the same time.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

That's right. What was the biggest surprise that you experienced in heaven?

[Dean Braxton]

What was the biggest? My Aunt Barbara. I had Aunt Barbara in hell and there she is in heaven.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

That is so funny.

[Joni Lamb]

Wait, what about you said, did you go to the throne room?

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Did you see the father?

[Dean Braxton]

It was just not just the father. Jesus is there too. And what I really saw was Jesus, how he was strategizing and when he was coming up with strategies. You guys are part of the strategy. He has a plan on how to reach everybody on the planet. He just wants us to line up with his plan. You know what I mean? Most of us don't realize it. He has a detailed plan on how to reach everybody.

[Joni Lamb]

So when did you find out you weren't staying?

[Dean Braxton]

Well, he told me three times. The first time he told me, okay, I was going, but my body wasn't ready. The second time he told me, your body wasn't ready? It wasn't ready. I just knew I got to what I called, like, the edge of heaven, and I knew my body wasn't ready, so I wasn't going to leave, okay? And I was glad. I was so happy. Do you understand? The second time he told me I got to the edge of heaven and I knew my body wasn't ready again. And I was like, all right, I am staying for sure. And in between those times is when I traveled through heaven, I went all over the place. There was nothing I was prohibited to do in heaven. There's so many things that I experienced. I've never talked about everything. But then the third time. The third time when he told me is when I was with the crowd. I think I'm staying. You know, you're in a crowd with everybody else, you're part of. And all of a sudden, Jesus there. We're all around Jesus. And he looks at me and says, no, it's not your time. Go back. The crowd opens up like the Red Sea would open up.

[Joni Lamb]

Yep.

[Dean Braxton]

I'm the only one standing there looking at him. You understand what I mean? Everything on both sides of the teacher, like they were saying, he's not talking to me. And I remember those words coming from him because he only spoke to me those times. Everything else was thought to thought. But when he opened his mouth, I remember that power coming. And I thought to myself, I should be what you say, blown apart. I should not exist any longer. But it just came inside of me and I had total comfort, you know? And the next thing I know, I was saved to him, like, almost like a soldier. Yes, sir. You know what I mean? And then I felt like he was saying. He didn't say it, but this is what I felt. I need you there, Morden. I need you here.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Did he give you instructions on what

[Dean Braxton]

to do to come back here on the planet? He ditched to reach as many people as possible. This story, because of the documentation gets me into so many areas. Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

You've been able to share the gospel over and over because of the documentation of you being dead almost two hours.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Talk about waking up.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. So did you just go right back in your body?

[Dean Braxton]

So this you're talking about, the sad part of it. The sad part. Once I left, I cried like a baby all the way back to the planet. I remember coming into the room and looking at the nurses and them running around. Really, they had stopped. They were filling out the death certificate and everything like that. And all of a sudden, this was the funny part. I remember hovering over my body like that. And then all of a sudden I turn over and go like this. And I think the only reason I did that because I didn't want my eyes in the back of my head. I don't really. So I went in and then started pumping and everything. For three days they had me intubated. You know, the life support and all those type of things.

[Joni Lamb]

But they realized you came back to life. They had to be shocked, right?

[Dean Braxton]

They were very shocked. The doctor was Shocked, you know, but

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

can the doctor explain? I mean, if you didn't have oxygen to your brain for that, you should have been.

[Dean Braxton]

It's a miracle.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

But what did they even do when all of a sudden there's a pulse and there's, you know, you're back. They're like, wait a second.

[Joni Lamb]

Everything's working.

[Dean Braxton]

They started working on me. They made sure the intubation was taking place and I was breathing. He doesn't know why he kept working on me as long as he did. You understand what I mean? He said, I just knew I had to. I really believe, because people were praying, to be honest with you, and then

[Joni Lamb]

usually they would have given up.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah. And they thought I would have brain damage. Of course, you know, I really believe I don't have brain damage because my wife battled for me. She battled, she fought. Even when they came to her and said that your husband will probably have brain damage, she looked at the doctors and she said, it doesn't have to be that way. She believed God could do it another way. There's several things that she did to protect his body. That the reason I'm here. And another thing that she did was she put outside the door. No one enters this room without Mrs. Braxton's permission. She didn't let anybody in that room that didn't believe I could be totally healed. And if you showed up and she vetted you, you know, and if you didn't meet the requirements, she'd say, visiting hours is over. She didn't let you in.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

What did she think about your experience?

[Dean Braxton]

When I first came back, she was very, very, very, very happy. After a while, she was thinking, I don't know about this.

[Joni Lamb]

No, because you had changed drastically.

[Dean Braxton]

I had changed so much.

[Joni Lamb]

How'd you change?

[Dean Braxton]

Well, I wasn't. We had a great relationship, me and my wife. Don't get me wrong, it was really good. Afterwards, I was just a different man. She had to. We had to build a whole new relationship afterward because I was different. Now, for me to try to tell you that it's hard because I'm the guy that changed. You know what I mean? And I don't really have the remembrance of what it was like before that much where she can tell you, you used to do this way, you used to do this. Now you do it this way.

[Joni Lamb]

So good, so good, so good. Well, you talk about it on your book. We are out of time. Everybody wants to jump in. I know everybody's got a question. He didn't tell us every detail. We wanted to we're gonna have lunch with him. I'll get more details and tell you about it later. But here's his book, Deep Worship in Heaven. He talks a lot about worship, how important that is. We are out of time. I want you to remember that heaven is a real place and it's closer than you can imagine. You may not know what tomorrow holds, but you can know where you'll spend eternity when you accept Jesus. The free gift of salvation. If you're watching today and you don't know Jesus, all you have to do is invite him in and say, Jesus. Yeah, Just say right after me, say, Jesus, forgive me. Forgive me. Come into my heart. Be Lord and savior. I believe you died on the cross. I believe you died on the cross for me. Thank you. Thank you. And fill me with your spirit. Fill me with your spirit. In Jesus name. Amen. Just that easy. And some of you have been moved by what you're listening to. Heaven is a real place. Hell is a real place. And the reason that we tell you that is because we love you. And just like Dean was talking about, we want to see how many people we can take with us to heaven. There's nothing more important than to understand where you're going to spend eternity. And Jesus did that just for you. Well, our prayer partner's standing by. They're ready to pray with you. And we'd love to pray with you. If you have any kind of prayer request, you can call that number. But if you prayed that prayer, we'd love to send you the gospel of John. Well, I do want to thank Dean Braxton for joining us today. Be sure to pick up a copy of his book Deep Worship in Heaven. For more, you can visit him [e-mail] and as always, make sure to follow us on all social media and subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive content. Let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. You can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you, Dean.

[Dean Braxton]

Thank you.

[Joni Lamb]

Thank you, ladies. Thank you again. Those of you watching if you prayed that prayer, call us. We love you. We'll see you next time. Bye Bye. For today,

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[Joni Lamb]

Well, you know, nearly every religion has its own version of hell. Well, today's guest, a foreign Buddhist, thought he understood it until he came face to face with the truth. Now he reveals how eight hours in hell shattered everything he believed about the afterlife. Yes, he had an incredible near death experience. You're going to love it so much. But before we get to that, join me around the table is April Simons. How are you?

[Kristen Davis]

I'm doing great.

[Joni Lamb]

You know, just when we think we've heard it all on this table, we hear more. So we have great guest here. This is going to be awesome. I know. I love these kind of testimonies. Dorothy Newton, how are you doing? Really, really good and so happy to be here. You know, I'm like, April, man, there's so many stories, so many great stories, compelling stories about how God does the most miraculous thing in people's lives. Just like the Bible. Yes. When we read some of those stories. Absolutely. Rachel Ann Brown, we love testimonies, don't we?

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

We love testimonies. And I'm excited to hear this one because sometimes people think like hell is in a real place. And there's been actually a lot of conversation this week on social media about will we eternally suffer if we go to hell and all the things. And so it's people are saying, you know, things that aren't true. And so to hear like a firsthand account of somebody that actually experienced it.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. And he'll address that question. But we all know that when God creates an eternal soul, it's eternal. Yes, yes. We're indestructible. So whenever we leave this life, we'll go somewhere. And so hopefully we'll take people to heaven with us while we do what we do every day. Cindy Johnston, how are you?

[Dean Braxton]

Hey.

[Joni Lamb]

Doing great. Excited about the show. I love testimonies just like everyone else. But to see that God can take you no matter where you've been and into the lowest of the low and, and be able to see what he brings us out of. And it's amazing to me, it really is. If somebody's watching right now, Cindy Murdoch, welcome to the table. And they just feel like they've gone too Far made too many mistakes. That is a lie. It is a lie. And one of the things about the testimony we're here today is that God looked upon the heart of this young man. And that's what I love about the Father God. He looks at each one of us upon our heart, the center of our heart, like where we've been, what we've gone through. He understands some of you that have been tormented or dealing with anxiety or fear. And this is the program you need to sit down and watch. Okay, well, today's guest is a passionate evangelist and the author of Eight Hours in Hell. Please welcome Steve Kang. Come on in, Steve.

[Dean Braxton]

Hello.

[Sponsor Voice]

Welcome.

[Steve Kang]

Great to have you blessed to be here, ladies. Woman of God. Yeah, thank you.

[Joni Lamb]

It's so good to have you. And I just, I just have to say something funny at the top of the table is that Dorothy here watches Korean tv. Only Korean TV she watches. We're waiting for her to speak it. Tv, my name.

[Steve Kang]

Yes, yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Halloween. I have never watched Korean tv, so I don't even know what she's talking about. Okay, well, that tells you right away that seem was born in South Korea. Steve King believed heaven and hell were temporary stops. But everything changed when his soul was torn from his body and hurled into eternal torment. After eight excruciating hours, it was Jesus who rescued him. Steve joins us today to tell the whole story. So take us back. Growing up, born in South Korea, very affluent family and very devout Buddhist.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, I was very devout. I was not a nominal Buddhist. I was an all in Buddhist. And that's because I saw my grandparents all in. My parents were all in. I said, you know what, this is my lot in life. And ever since I was a child, I had so many questions. I don't know if all 6 year olds have this, but I was asking questions to the monks and to the God up there. You know, why is there so much injustice in this world? Why are some poor and some rich? Why are some dying early and some healthy till 90? And they're not even righteous? So this was my question in the

[Joni Lamb]

world, how can I find peace? Yeah, I mean, that was part of it. Like you kept trying to fill that spot.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah. There was always something missing in my heart no matter how many hours I prayed.

[Joni Lamb]

And you prayed hours and hours and hours because it was almost like they. I guess the monks told you that the more you pray, the better for your afterlife. And you have to maybe redeem sins that have gone on in your life. So you got. It's like a work mentality yeah.

[Steve Kang]

Not only works, but a lot of guilt tripping because they're like, if you don't pray, you're going to have a worse next life. Because reincarnation is the core teaching of Buddhism and you have to earn your salvation. So I remember being so afraid, like, what if I get born into a cow or an ant? Because that's part of the Buddhist theology. You can become a worm, an ant, a bird. So I was like, I'm not going to be no bird in my next life. So I was like, they can fly, but they don't live long. I was like, I'm going to pray. So I was in the only.

[Joni Lamb]

If it's a red bird, like egg rose wear.

[Steve Kang]

Oh, yeah. Okay. So I remember just in the temple striving, getting the Buddha to wink at me or have an encounter, but none of those encounters.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so eventually you moved from South Korea to America when you were nine years old?

[Steve Kang]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

What happened then?

[Steve Kang]

So I moved to America. I was living in Boston, Massachusetts, in a town called Waltham, and then Bedford. 10,000 people. And even then I had a lot of friends that went to church, a Catholic church, a Christian church. But I never went because I wanted to stay loyal. But I had an identity crisis because I was the only Asian American in the whole town. There was this one other Asian girl, so I was like, hey, girl, let's talk. And she's like, hey, don't get near me, man. Two of us too much. I was like, what's up?

[Joni Lamb]

That's funny.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah.

[Steve Kang]

So I tried to fit in. I played like, lacrosse, football, grew my hair long. One year I was a heavy metal band. One year I was a hip hop rapper. The next year, none of it worked to fill.

[Dean Braxton]

We didn't want to.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, eventually you went back to South Korea.

[Steve Kang]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Tell us about that.

[Steve Kang]

I went back to South Korea because I was grieving my mom, you know, teenager. So my mom was like, you're coming back? My dad goes, you coming back to Korea? So I moved back. And in South Korea, there were way more temples. So I was at a private school called SIS Seoul International School. So I got more into Buddhism when I got back to Korea.

[Joni Lamb]

Did that help bring you more peace or what you were looking for?

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, I had temporary piece, like, because I had. My grades went up. My dad was there. I saw people, other Korean kids, they thought I was cool because I spoke English. They're like, oh, you speak English? You know, I was kind of popular, like, yeah, in Korea. Like, people line up if you speak English. Back, and now it's kind of common, but I had some peace. But there was still that fear of darkness and demons and there was something always looming over me like that I just thought was a part of life.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so then after you kind of established in South Korea, then something happens and you have to move back to America.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, well, nothing really happened. But during that time, it was natural. I went to international school so all these students would come back to America for college. So I got into a college in California because I got rejected from all the Ivy Leagues waitlist. Waitlist. Harvard waitlisted me, Cornell waitlist. But I got into a prestigious school called Pomona College in Claremont.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so everything's going good. Then what happened?

[Steve Kang]

Everything was going good. I had my whole life planned out.

[Joni Lamb]

Right.

[Steve Kang]

If you want to make God laugh, you plan out your life. He's like, I got a better one for you. So I had my whole life.

[Joni Lamb]

It's kinda like when you tell God what you're going to do with your life.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, no, I am the author of your life. But I didn't know that back then. So I'm here, I'm in California studying hard, waiting to become an attorney because all my friends became attorneys that graduated from the school.

[Dean Braxton]

And.

[Steve Kang]

But me, my dad went. So in 1998, Korea and along with all the other Asian countries went through a financial crisis. And my dad lost everything. He had like six, seven businesses. He doesn't even know how to drive because we had private drivers everywhere. He was eating breakfast in Korea, lunch in Japan kind of guy, dinner in Hong Kong. But he was. He calls me and goes, we're bankrupt. And I was like, no, we're not, dad. He's like, I'm serious. So I had to find a place to live, which was my friend's house. And it was a drug dealing house. I didn't know because it was my friend from high school and I was getting high every day. I just thought it was a rite of passage. I thought everybody does that.

[Joni Lamb]

So in the house, he was selling drugs and then you just became immersed with that crowd and you just joined right in.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, I went there. The first thing they did was cut my hair. So we all had the same haircut.

[Dean Braxton]

Oh.

[Steve Kang]

I was like, oh, cool. Free haircut, you know? But I don't remember being sober ladies for even one day during that whole summer of 19.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Did that not scare you like that you got so sucked in?

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, I was scared because, like, I saw people getting high every day. Drug Dealing like guns. And I was like, I didn't sign up for this. I'll just do it for one summer and I'll go back to my goody, goody, like, nerdy life in college in the summer, in the fall. But, yeah, there was a lot of. Oh, yeah, a lot of drama.

[Joni Lamb]

So you were like, what, 19?

[Steve Kang]

Yeah. 18 becoming 19.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay. All right, so tell us about that fateful day.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, so the fateful day came in September of 1998 where I smoked the Death Bowl. It's just a street slang word.

[Joni Lamb]

And what is that?

[Steve Kang]

So it looks like regular weed, marijuana. I don't know if you guys know what that looks like, but just Google was spray paint. It was not spray paint. It was laced, sprayed with heroin, cocaine, and pcp. It's almost as strong as fentanyl, and it's very deadly. So when I. So 50% of heroin smokers actually commit suicide or die from overdose or lack of. So when I smoked it, I felt, like, different. And my anxiety level just went up the roof. I was like, this isn't weed. And then that high stayed with me for 10 days. But it lasts. It got worse every day.

[Joni Lamb]

And so did you begin to see things, like, in the spirit realm during that time?

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, it was way worse than that. It was like, I felt it. I saw.

[Joni Lamb]

Were there voices speaking to you? I mean, I hear this so many times where people been on, you know, some kind of drug craze because it really opens a window for the demonic to come in. That happened.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

You're not upset at your. Whoever gave this?

[Steve Kang]

Oh, yeah, I was looking for him. Like, are you. Are you okay? Because we were smoking it together. Like, if I'm going through this, you must be. But I couldn't even get in touch with him. He wouldn't pick up the phone. Either he got high or died. Who knows? Never heard about him after that day. So during those 10 days, it's like, you know, when you pray, heaven's open. When you do drugs, hell opens. So hell was open. I was getting attacked. Anxiety, fear around the. My brain was so fried, though, so damaged that I couldn't read one sentence in a book. I had no idea what time or day it was. So my mom goes, oh, the gods are mad. You need to. It's a lack of prayer. So she. She pulls me out of the school, and we're at home praying. And while we're praying at home, oh, man. I went to poltergeist movie, like, 1, 2, 3, because cups are falling by themselves. We had A piece of paper that had Buddhist blessings on it, and it was making metallic noises, scaring the heck out of us. So it was both not just spiritual.

[Joni Lamb]

So there was, like, demonic activity that was taking place, things moving.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

And did your mom know what was going on with you?

[Steve Kang]

She was just super scared. She was scared with me, and she's like, we got to pray. But she saw what was happening, and she's like, we're at the end of the road. We got to do something. So we were praying on our knees to the gods in the temple, whatever statues, and it got worse and worse

[Joni Lamb]

and worse, and nobody showed up.

[Steve Kang]

Nobody showed up because I called the Buddhist monks, and the timing was horrible because they're like, we're doing a silent prayer once a year, and this is that week, so we can't help you. So I was, like, so disappointed. We gave all our wealth to them, and they're, like, not there to help.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow, that's hurtful. Wow. Okay, so on the 10th day, what happened?

[Steve Kang]

Yes, on the 10th day. But before the 10th day, Jodi, I wrote my mom a letter saying, mom, I'm so sorry I failed you in this life. I'll go ahead of you and meet you in my next life in the afterlife. She read the letter. She just started weeping. That's like the eighth day. And before I attempted suicide on the 10th day, the apparition came to me. You know, like, Jesus visits Christians. This evil spirit visited me and said, if you offer your life as a sacrifice, I'll give you 50,000 less years of hell.

[Joni Lamb]

50,000 less.

[Steve Kang]

Because in Buddhism, you have heaven, hell, and they're not forever. You go in and come back out, you get reincarnated, you go to hell, you visit, you come out, you go to heaven, come out, you get reincarnated until you reach nirvana, which is you become God. Which is. Yeah. Which is not possible, by the way. So. Because I tried it, it doesn't work. So here I am, sitting there, doing the math. Three minutes of pain for 50,000 less years of hell. You know, I'll go for it. On the 10th day, I went to the kitchen, I grabbed the biggest knife I could find, and I was on my knees in the living room to go to heaven. That's what happens when you get high and you don't have Jesus. So I put the knife on my stomach, and I'm like, I've never killed myself before. So I'm like, do I go in? Do I go sideways? I'm sitting there thinking. My mom walks in, and I Saw in the corner of my eye. She calls 911. This is in the city of Irvine, California, the safest city in America. They have so many cops. They came in like 30 seconds. I was contemplating, I looked to my

[Joni Lamb]

right, but you hadn't put the knife in yet.

[Steve Kang]

Not yet, because I didn't know how. And I was, to be frank, very scared, like, this is going to hurt, hurt. I got to do it to go to heaven.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Steve Kang]

And then when the cops came in, the evil spirit speaks to me again, which I thought was God back then, goes, it's now or never. So I went hard in, stabbed myself, like many times. And then I still was alive. They're jumping on me, macing me, putting the back, because I was on with the power of drugs. I still had strength left. So I went for the neck and I showed the scars earlier.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, I can see your scar. Oh, wow.

[Steve Kang]

So many people saw it. I have a deep scar here, here. My finger still broken from the bat wounds. And it will be healed at the resurrection. So I lost so much blood. And my mom said later the entire living room was like covered with red blood. And I got carried off to the operation room at UC Irvine Medical center, which was the closest one that could fix this stuff. And as I'm going there, I had what's called the nde, which is a very popular topic nowadays, a near death experience. Because many people think about death, right? And I experienced it almost firsthand. I wasn't medically dead, but I was unconscious. I was in a coma. And as I'm going from eternity back to earth, eternity back to earth.

[Joni Lamb]

In other words, like you're in your body and then you're above your body looking at yourself.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, I can see myself. And then going in and out, in and out.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Did you feel, did you feel anything?

[Steve Kang]

Oh, all I felt was fear, uncertainty, anxiety. And the physical pain kind of left when I had an out of body experience. But it will come back. It was going in and out. And the near death experience, OB's, out of body experience, Andy's near death experience. And instead of when I left, instead of going up, I just started sinking. It was so scary because, you know when you guys all ride roller coasters, you know it goes back up and stops.

[Joni Lamb]

I said, that's like. Remember when John Ramirez is on here?

[Steve Kang]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

He talked about like a train, a roller coaster.

[Steve Kang]

His story is so amazing, of God's grace. And I fell, fell, fell, like a little bit of falling. And when I landed, when I boom land, I look around And I'm not on earth anymore and I'm not in heaven for sure. I was in hell, which I didn't even believe in because in Buddhism, like I said, there's no eternal hell.

[Joni Lamb]

But you said that was the first shock.

[Steve Kang]

It was the first shock for you

[Joni Lamb]

to say there is a real literal hell.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, there's a literal hell, which is in the Bible, which is in almost every religion like you mentioned, which Jesus

[Joni Lamb]

had more to say about than heaven.

[Steve Kang]

Thank you. Yes, Jesus talks more about hell. Cuz when I went to hell, it was so crowded, there's so many people there. And I knew for the first time in my life, as I looked around, I saw utter darkness. Purple, reddish rocks everywhere. I saw demons that were big that I knew were in charge of this place called Hell.

[Joni Lamb]

I even saw like huge demons.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah. And I knew they were going to torture us soon because I looked to my left and there's like cells with bars. And I knew I was going to go in there next. That's where I belong. And all the people, I couldn't see their faces. But in hell, unlike Earth, where God blesses both the wicked and the righteous temporarily, he gives sun. He says in the Bible he blesses everyone on earth to a certain extent. In hell there's not even a drop of God. It's what a.

[Joni Lamb]

There's no presence of God.

[Steve Kang]

No, not at all.

[Joni Lamb]

Because the Holy Spirit's on the earth and we don't even realize sometimes that presence is here. But that's another person I interviewed sometimes that was the most distinguishing factor in his mind. That when he was there, that the absence of the presence of God was suffocating to him.

[Steve Kang]

Not only was it suffocating, it's utter fear, anxiety, condemnation, guilt, hopelessness multiplied by 100.

[Joni Lamb]

All the things we want to try to get away from on earth. Except you said it's magnified like a thousand times.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah. And it's so hopeless, it's the end. And I knew when I got there that I was a sinner for the first time in my life. Isn't that strange? I just supernaturally knew I deserved to be in hell. And secondly, I knew I was going to be here forever and ever. So I was like, wow, how the heck do I know this? And as I looked around, I was in so much agony I couldn't ask people in front of me like, hey, where are you from? What country are you from? What city are you from? You're just in utter torment and agony yourself that there's no capacity to Communicate with other human beings. It's what a pastor in Korea calls perfect separation from God, from a perfect God. Perfect judgment on his perfect enemies in a perfect way. So it was not created for human beings. It was created for the devil and the evil angels. But people choose to go there because they don't want God, they want to be God or they want to continue to live in their sin because God

[Joni Lamb]

made provision for us.

[Steve Kang]

Yes, he did.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so what happened? Did you hear a voice? Did Jesus speak to you? I mean, your mom in the meantime knows that you're dying and she's calling out to Buddha and every God, right? And nothing's working.

[Steve Kang]

Yes, yes.

[Joni Lamb]

And then. I love this part. She remembers.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, she remembers that the friend of the guy that was doing at the house doing drugs with Mrs. Kim, she was a Christian. So she calls her because the monks ain't picking up the phone. So Mrs. Kim tells my mom for the first time, this is spiritual warfare. And my mom goes, spiritual what? Never heard the word of my life. She's like, do you want to. Can I call the pastors to pray for your son? She goes, please, I'll try anything. So eight pastors from the local church, Grace Ministries International. Eight pastors and prayer warriors, where I later became a youth pastor and got baptized. Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Wait, we got to get you out of hell first.

[Steve Kang]

And they came over and they prayed for me during the entire eight hour operation.

[Joni Lamb]

And they start praying for you?

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, they don't even know me. They pray for me. And later when I woke up from the surgery, the doctor said, wait, you

[Joni Lamb]

went back into your body? Did you remember like going back into your body from hell?

[Steve Kang]

Yeah. So when I opened my eyes after experiencing hell, I was so glad to be on earth because I had staples everywhere. There's twos going all everywhere. And I look at my body and I was like, wow, like I'm back on earth. And the first people I saw were the eight pastors and prayers from that church. And they, they go, that's so scary. They look at me and go, in Jesus name, devil be gone. I said, I'm not the devil. Because they were afraid I might jump on them with all these staples. And I'm like, you know, tubes on me. And they go, I'm not the devil, ma'.

[Dean Braxton]

Am.

[Steve Kang]

And she goes, oh, good. Just want to make sure she goes, what did you see? I tell her what I saw. She goes, you just saw the biblical hell. Do you want to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior of life? I said, yes, I Do so she leads me in the sinner's prayer. And I prayed for the first time, but before I woke up, I didn't see God yet.

[Joni Lamb]

What are the doctors doing while you're praying the sinner's prayer?

[Steve Kang]

I think I was in the operation room, so, you know, I met them after.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Steve Kang]

And they. They even said it was a miracle because during the operation, my heart and blood rate went so low. They told my mom, you need to get ready to let your son go. Imagine, guys, if the people didn't pray, where I would be.

[Joni Lamb]

Exactly.

[Steve Kang]

Imagine where you would be if others didn't pray for you. Yeah, eternity. Imagine where you would be if nobody prayed for you.

[Joni Lamb]

But God looked at your heart even when you were in hell.

[Steve Kang]

I believe so.

[Joni Lamb]

And he used your mom and those prayer warriors. So true. And heaven heard the prayers and gave you an opportunity to make a choice.

[Steve Kang]

Yes, ma'. Am.

[Joni Lamb]

When you not only prayed that prayer one time, how many times did you pray it?

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, when I woke up, I prayed it 10 times because I didn't want to go back down there.

[Dean Braxton]

Yeah.

[Steve Kang]

And you know what's funny is, guys, I didn't have the capacity to pray. I believe when we pray for others, God hears you and answers on their behalf. Because some people are so deceived and not right with God or living in sin or in other religions that other people's prayer will save them. Yeah. That's called intercession. Yes.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

What did your mom think about you accepting Jesus?

[Steve Kang]

Oh, she loved it. And we all changed religions that day.

[Rachel Lamb Brown]

Wow.

[Dean Braxton]

We went for.

[Steve Kang]

From Buddhism to Christianity.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. Because you know what? It's the only religion that. It's a free gift.

[Steve Kang]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

I mean, so all you have to do is just say, jesus, come into my heart. Forgive me and be lord of my life and save me. And it will. It changes everything. So at some point, I want to mention that you met someone. You got married. We didn't talk about her earlier.

[Steve Kang]

Yes. My wife Grace Gon came. Her mom is a pastor.

[Joni Lamb]

She has one of those testimonies.

[Steve Kang]

Yeah, she was very faithful. Like, her worst sin was, like, going to karaoke and singing a K pop song. It's like her biggest sin. I was like, man, you're from a different world, girl. How are you going to put with me? So I had to lie. When I first met her, she's like, what's your job? We're on a blind date. My mom set me up. She was the pianist for Grace Church, and I wasn't a pastor back then, so she goes, what's your job? I go, I'm a consultant. What kind of consultant? I do spiritual consulting. And she's like, what you said in

[Joni Lamb]

your book, like, why didn't I do this sooner? Like it changed your life.

[Steve Kang]

Yes. I learned how to love and die to myself. That's true. Because the Bible says to love your spouse as Christ loves the church.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right.

[Steve Kang]

So I had all these conditions when we first met, and they all went out the window after we got married. And I just love her. I gave her everything unconditionally. She's a professional pianist. So I bought her a piano, moved, got a job for her. Can you believe that? I'm a bi vocational pastor now. Because of her, I got a job. I had to do a business.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, quickly tell us. This is important. There were about nine months that he really couldn't get those images of hell. It was so profound. And one night.

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[Joni Lamb]

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[Steve Kang]

Yeah. So I was still suffering from the trauma of hell. I was still very sick. My body was still supernaturally not healed yet, but it got healed 10 years later. So that's when I joined the army and became a lieutenant in the U.S. army because I got supernaturally healed. But before all that, because I was so in fear still, even though I met God to a certain extent, he showed me heaven. And it was at the time when I least deserved it. And it was just like the Bible says, filled with the peace of God, love. And I met the Father. I saw the gold streets. I saw the gold city. I heard angels worshiping.

[Joni Lamb]

You saw green grass like you've never seen before.

[Steve Kang]

Yes. River.

[Joni Lamb]

The new Jerusalem coming down.

[Steve Kang]

Yes, the new Jerusalem. It was just like the Bible.

[Joni Lamb]

Streets of gold.

[Steve Kang]

Streets of gold. Walls of gold. The whole entire city. And I knew that this is my home. And it's everyone's home that accepts Jesus as Lord, not any other God, only Jesus. And it healed me. And the Father spoke to me. He spoke to me. I heard the audible voice of God the Father, the creator of heaven and earth.

[Joni Lamb]

What did he say?

[Steve Kang]

He said, jesus Christ is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Listen to him. Listen to him. Listen to him. And that's in the Bible three times out of the four Gospels. And I woke up and I said, I can't backslide no more. I got to walk right with God. Because. Because God is not looking for religious people. He's looking for relational people that obey and surrender to him. Because if you obey and surrender, you're going to heaven, not hell.

[Joni Lamb]

All right, we've got about a minute. Would you just pray a prayer? We'll repeat after you. To those who are watching that don't

[Steve Kang]

know Jesus, if you can follow after me and say, heavenly Father, I believe that I'm a sinner.

[Joni Lamb]

I'm a sinner.

[Steve Kang]

That I cannot go to heaven. That I cannot go to heaven without your grace.

[Joni Lamb]

Without your grace.

[Steve Kang]

Not by works, but by the death, the death, the resurrection, the resurrection, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

[Joni Lamb]

Jesus Christ.

[Steve Kang]

On that cross. On that cross, I believe is for me. Help me to overcome. Help me to overcome my unbelief. Seal me with the Holy Spirit.

[Dean Braxton]

With the Holy Spirit.

[Steve Kang]

Wash me. Wash me with the blood of Jesus and write my name in the book of life.

[Joni Lamb]

In the book of life.

[Steve Kang]

I believe that I'm a child of God. I completely trust in you.

[Joni Lamb]

I completely trust.

[Steve Kang]

Help me to fight a good fight of faith every day. Every day from now on.

[Joni Lamb]

From now on.

[Steve Kang]

Until the day I die.

[Joni Lamb]

Until the day I die.

[Steve Kang]

Surround me, godly people. Help me to grow in Jesus names.

[Joni Lamb]

In Jesus name.

[Steve Kang]

In Jesus name.

[Joni Lamb]

Amen. Amen.

[Steve Kang]

Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow, that's so powerful. And what a powerful testimony. You know, the whole story is in the book. Eight hours in hell. We cover as much as we could, but there's a lot that's left out. Dorothy's eyes were staying big the whole time over there. Unbelievable. It was so good. So good. Well, we're out of time. I'm sorry, ladies. We just got to listen. But it was powerful, wasn't it? It was powerful. But I want you to remember that Jesus has already prepared a place for you in his kingdom when you accept his forgiveness and make him lord of your life. You prayed that prayer. You can be sure that heaven is waiting for you. If you're watching today and you prayed that prayer, I want you to call that number on the screen. Let us know. We would love to send you the Gospel of John. It's a great place to start in the word of God. And it's just our way of saying that we love you. We're cheering you on. Yes. You need to find a good Bible believing church full of the Holy Spirit. And if you're in the wrong crowd, you need to remove yourself because what is that saying? Show me your friends, I'll show you your future. And you need to surround yourself with the right kind of people right now. It's really important that you do that. God has his hand on you. He loves you, has a purpose for you and he's just waiting for you to surrender. I use that word a lot. He's just ready for you to say, okay, God, I've been doing it my way. I'm going to do it your way. Not my will, but your will. And I'm telling you, everything can change. Well, I do want to thank Steve for joining us today. Be sure you pick up a copy of his book eight Hours in Hell. For more information, you can visit him [e-mail] as always, make sure to follow us on social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes exclusive content. Let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. Of course, you can also listen to Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. But I want to thank you for watching and there's some of you who've never watched before. You prayed that prayer. You really don't know what tomorrow holds. But I want you to be encouraged. God's going to begin to open doors supernaturally. He's going to send people across your path. You be ready to listen and hear and get a good Bible you can understand. Start reading and the Lord's going to start talking to you and it's going to change your life forever. We'll see you you next time. Bye bye for today.

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