JONI TABLE TALK - MAY 24th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: Joni Table Talk (May 24, 2026)

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Joni Lamb (iHeartPodcasts)
Guests: Dr. Nathan Bryan, Susan Schaefer, The Bennions (musical group), Panelists: April Simons, Anna Kendall, Dorothy Newton, Rachel Lamp Brown, Cindy Johnston
Theme: The science, health, and spiritual perspectives around nitric oxide, plus an emotional musical segment about faith, healing, and legacy.

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Episode Overview

This episode features two primary segments:

1. Health Science & Skincare: Dr. Nathan Bryan and Susan Schaefer join the table to share breakthrough insights on nitric oxide and its impact on overall health and skin vitality, focusing on their developed products ("N101" topical serum and lozenges). Their discussion covers the science behind nitric oxide, its role in aging, disease, and practical health applications.
2. Faith, Music, and Healing: The Bennions, a family gospel group, perform and share their moving story of loss, faith, and returning to their musical roots, culminating in an intimate testimony about addiction, redemption, and the power of healing through faith and music.

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1. Health & Skincare Breakthroughs with Nitric Oxide

What Is Nitric Oxide? (06:00–06:38)

• Dr. Nathan Bryan explains:

  "Nitric oxide, it's a molecule that's naturally produced in the lining of the blood vessels. It regulates blood flow, improves circulation, oxygen delivery." (06:00)

• Production of nitric oxide diminishes with age, leading to health and skin challenges.

Science and Product Development (06:38–07:54)

• Dr. Bryan has spent over 25 years researching nitric oxide in academia.
• Susan Schaefer describes nitric oxide as her "favorite molecule" and highlights difficulties in delivering it effectively because it's a gas that dissipates quickly.
• Innovation: Developed a dual-chamber serum pump (separates vitamin C and nitric oxide) and lozenges that deliver nitric oxide in solid form.
• Susan: "To have this technology that is deliverable to the body, our largest organ, or internally... it's just life changing." (07:54)

How the Topical Serum Works (08:05–09:36)

• Two-part serum: One pump vitamin C, one nitric oxide. Mixing activates the gas, which is applied to the skin.
• Joni: “It actually makes your skin turn red because it’s pulling the blood to the surface.” (08:38)
• Dr. Bryan: “All age-related chronic disease is associated with a loss of blood flow to that organ... If we can restore that missing molecule, can we restore the vitality of the skin? And the answer is yes.” (08:56)

Key Clinical Benefits (09:36–10:52)

• Improved oxygen delivery, mobilization of stem cells, increased collagen, hydration, and skin vitality.
• “Fine lines and wrinkles set in...our thought process was, if we can restore that missing molecule, can we restore the vitality of the skin? ...We’ve demonstrated this in five or six published clinical trials.” – Dr. Bryan (09:23)

User Experience and Testimonials (10:02–12:03)

• The panel tries the serum; Rachel Lamp Brown notices immediate redness, indicating blood flow.
• Susan: “I do it on my face...my lips, always have a little extra. I’ll do the back of my hands. My brown spots are gone.” (10:11)
• Dr. Bryan shares a personal story: He developed the original topical nitric oxide for his dad’s non-healing wound. “Within six months we had healed a four year old non-healing wound.” (12:12)

The Lozenges and Internal Benefits (14:30–16:33)

• Lozenges deliver nitric oxide systemically—“our number one seller.”
• Dr. Bryan: “As it's dissolving right now, it's releasing nitric oxide gas...improving oxygen delivery to every organ, tissue, and cell in the body.” (14:57; 15:17)
• Good for all ages, including athletes: “My teenage kids have been taking it for a number of years before sporting events because it improves athletic performance.” (15:43)
• Dosage: “One lozenge every 12 hours is sufficient.” (16:15)

Safety & Considerations (23:44–24:25)

• Overdosing can cause low blood pressure, but “we’ve never seen it,” says Dr. Bryan.
• Susan: “I have low blood pressure and I typically take two a day.” (24:04)

Causes of Nitric Oxide Loss (24:33–25:10)

• Poor diet (high carbs/sugar), environmental factors, mouthwash, antacids, fluoride.
• “If you take normal intensive patients and you give them mouthwash for seven days, it kills the good bacteria, their blood pressure goes up.” – Dr. Bryan (25:22)

Future Innovations (26:57–27:28)

• Developing drug therapies beyond supplements, especially for heart disease and Alzheimer’s.
• Innovating in dental health: “Developing a drug for Alzheimer's and…a topical drug for diabetic ulcers and non-healing wounds.” – Dr. Bryan (27:28)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the broad impact of nitric oxide loss:
  "Every age related chronic disease, whether it's dementia and Alzheimer's, high blood pressure, heart disease, end stage renal disease... is associated with low nitric oxide." – Dr. Nathan Bryan (22:41)
• On restoring hope:
  "God has provided tools and supplements and natural resources to help bring healing into our lives... The miracle you’re believing for is possible whether you use any of these products or not.” – Joni Lamb (28:30)

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Segment Timestamps

• Panel and Introduction: 02:16–03:15
• Nitric Oxide Science: 06:00–08:05
• Serum Use Demo: 09:50–10:52
• Personal Testimonies: 12:03–12:37, 21:03–23:44
• Lozenge Info: 14:30–16:44
• Pricing Offer: 18:16–19:16
• Autobiographical Discussion: 24:33–27:28

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2. Music, Testimony & Faith: The Bennions

Music Performance & Legacy (34:30–39:29)

• The Bennions perform "Ain’t No Grave," sharing a powerful message of hope over adversity and faith in resurrection.
• Discussion centers around grief, the loss of parents and siblings, and the strength found in spiritual heritage.

Grief, Loss, and Healing Testimony (41:02–46:35)

• David, Bobby, and Joni speak candidly about loss—parents, spouses, brothers—and how their faith framed not just their grief, but their hope and creativity.
• David: “I don't have a memory in my life when I wasn't aware of the presence of God...” (47:04)
• Bobby on his wife's passing: "I cherished the last year that I had with her more than I did before, because we still got to go walk together. We still got to pray together." (43:39)
• The family’s decision to create an album, Roots, to honor their heritage and process pain together.

Lisa Bennion's Addiction and Salvation Story (48:56–56:28)

• Lisa shares her struggle: “I had a lot of trauma as a small child... I became a drug addict for many years.” (48:56)
• David and Lisa recount writing "Healing in This House" during her addiction, her lowest point, and eventual surrender:

  "I took royalty checks from this song and bought crack with it. Like, how do you come back from that? ... But it was crazy how God came and broke all those church's rules." – Joni (52:21)

• Turning point: “I laid there for hours, just crying... It wouldn’t let go until I wanted to live again.” (54:13)

Redemption and Encouragement (55:58–56:28)

• “I was always a musician and a singer… and now we can’t shut her up,” David jokes, underscoring Lisa’s transformation from shame to bold testimony. (56:27)
• Joni Lamb to listeners:

  "Some of you watching, you feel like you crossed the line, but you haven’t. God loves you so much. There is hope and healing.” (56:35)

"Healing in This House" Song (58:08–end)

• The Bennions close the episode performing their powerful anthem of restoration "Healing in This House," affirming the spiritual message of hope, mercy, and healing available to all.

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Notable Quotes—Faith Segment

• “When you get squeezed, whatever comes out is what’s inside.” – Bobby (48:33)
• “If Cindy can go through some of the stuff... she can handle me.” – Joni (55:58)
• “This album reminds us that there's power and freedom when we step into the presence of God.” – Joni Lamb (56:35)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Time | |---|---| | Panel Intros / Opening | 02:16–05:15 | | Nitric Oxide Science | 06:00–09:36 | | Serum Demonstration | 09:50–10:52 | | Testimonials & Clinical Story | 12:03–12:37, 21:03–23:44 | | Lozenges & Broader Benefits | 14:30–16:44 | | Safety, Dosage, Causes of Loss | 23:44–25:46 | | Future Medical Innovations | 26:57–27:28 | | Bennions Performance & Interview | 34:30–47:01 | | Addiction & Redemption Testimony | 48:56–56:28 | | "Healing in This House" Song | 58:08–end |

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Summary Takeaways

• Health & Skincare: Nitric oxide is key for circulation, vitality, and healing. Loss of it is linked to aging and chronic disease. Topical and internal supplements can restore levels, supporting both beauty and health.
• Faith & Healing: Deep personal stories reveal the intersection of suffering, hope, and redemption. Moving testimonies about grief, addiction, and miraculous recovery—highlighting the role of faith, family, and music in the healing journey.
• Memorable Moments: Moving scientific testimony about nitric oxide’s impact; emotional song and personal redemption arc; practical health takeaways mixed with spiritual encouragement for the audience.

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Useful Links:

• jonielam.com/shop (use code JONINX for discount)
• The Bennions’ new album Roots (available at end segment)

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This summary captures all main topics, personal stories, scientific insights, and spiritual encouragement, along with notable quotes and clear segment timing for reference.

Transcript

[Joni]

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[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

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[Joni Lamb]

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for healing, learn more, and sign the [e-mail]. So what if one simple product is the secret to better health, more energy, and even great skin? Well, today's guests have unlocked the power of nitric oxide, and the results they're seeing are changing lives. They're here to share the breakthroughs you're seeing and how it could transform your life, too. But before we get to that, join me around the table. That was an open. Everybody's like, what are you talking about? April Simons, how are you?

[Joni]

I am all in.

[Joni Lamb]

You are?

[Joni]

Honey, you had me at the skincare right there.

[Joni Lamb]

I know. I'm excited about it. You're ready to go. All right. Anna Kendall. I have been looking for a magic bullet. I mean, you think we found it today? Listen, you know, I know you don't mind telling your age, but you look amazing. And our guest would have been Agree. You are how old?

[Joni]

84.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

And it's wow. It is wow. Wow. So Dorothy Newton. Yes. And I'm 55 and just living.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

55 and fabulous.

[Joni Lamb]

55 alive. All right. Rachel Lamp Brown. How are you?

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

I'm good. I'm 36. No, I'm just kidding. But I, you know, honestly, like, I've never tried this, but I have heard you rave about it, and you're so particular about all the things, and so now it makes me want to try it because you literally, like, love this so much.

[Joni Lamb]

So good. Cindy Johnston, are you interested? Yes. You are? Of course I am. I am very interested. All right. All right. Ready to hear all about it. Well, Dr. Nathan Bryan and Susan Schaefer are here to talk about that. So glad you two are joining the table today. We're excited to be here with you. Welcome. Well, Dr. Nathan Bryant has dedicated his life to studying nitric oxide. And alongside his business partner, Susan Schaefer, he spent the last 16 years Pioneering therapies and developing supplements that help people experience better health. You may have never heard of nitric oxide, but it could be exactly what you've been looking for. Now, it's going to be a little different table talk today.

[Susan Schaefer]

Okay.

[Joni Lamb]

Because lots of people have tried to get me to talk about their products. Rarely do. I do have y'.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

All.

[Joni Lamb]

Rarely. Other than the hormone cream, I mean, or something like that. But I wanted to try this for several months. And we'll Tell you about it. It's amazing. I'll get Dr. Brian and Susan to share about it, but I have to believe in it before I will share it with the audience. So that's why I'm sharing it with the audience today, because I think it can be a blessing. And that's what I'm all about. That's what you're about. Dr. Brian, talk a little bit about what is nitric oxide, what you do for a living, and how you came to develop these products.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Well, thanks, Joni. Thank you, ladies. Great being with you. Now, nitric oxide, it's a molecule that's naturally produced in the lining of the blood vessels. It regulates blood flow, improves circulation, oxygen delivery.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so all of us have nitric oxide. It's in the lining of our blood vessels, but it's diminishing as we get older.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's right.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

That's exactly right.

[Joni Lamb]

You don't have as much.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Well, fortunately, we've solved that riddle. We don't have to age related spine.

[Joni Lamb]

So finish telling us about it.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Yeah. So as you alluded to, I spent the past 25 years in academia as a professor of molecular medicine, studying how the human body makes nitric oxide, what leads to a loss of its production. And then once we solve that, then we can start to develop product technology that, that recapitulates and restores the natural production. So if your body has lost the ability to make it for whatever reason, then these products provide it back to you.

[Joni Lamb]

So, Susan, talk a little bit about the development of the products, because I know you've been involved in that. Not all products that say nitric oxide have the genuine nitric oxide.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's right. So nitric oxide, it's my favorite molecule. I mean, I didn't know about it until I met Dr. Brian, and then I couldn't live without it. Nitric oxide, you know, it's a gas and it can dissipate very quickly. And so what he has done is figured out to deliver it in a solid form. And so we have the lozenge and we also have the topical serum, which is the first ever to come to market. And like you, I love skincare. I'll be 57 in April. I want to take care of my body. I'm not saying aging isn't bad because that's also a privilege. But I am taking care of my vessel that God has given me to make sure I protect and take care of it as best as possible. So the just to be able to have this technology that is deliverable to the body, our largest organ, or internally.

[Joni Lamb]

To the skin.

[Susan Schaefer]

To the skin and internally. We call this the Dino Duo. It's just life changing.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

Talk about how it actually works, the science of the cream.

[Susan Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

And what makes it different than other products.

[Joni Lamb]

And I wanted to show you this. So y' all see this? There are two pumps on here. One is vitamin C, one is nitric oxide. So you can't put those together.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Well, now we can't. So nitric oxide's a gas. And so what we do, the technology is such that whether it's in the lozenge or it's in the serum, we have to keep these actives separated because once they come together, that's when it starts to generate the gas. So these two components, when put together, start to generate nitric oxide gas.

[Joni Lamb]

So you put a little bit of vitamin C. Yeah, one pump on my side. Nitric oxide.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

One pump from the other side. And then when you mix it together.

[Joni Lamb]

Mix it together, apply it to the skin, and actually makes your skin turn red because it's pulling the blood to the surface. And why is that important, Susan?

[Susan Schaefer]

It helps bring oxygen, nutrients to the cells, to the dermis, our largest organ. I mean, it's really bringing vitality to the cell.

[Joni Lamb]

But why is that important, doctor?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Well, what we're finding is that the all age related chronic disease is associated with a loss of blood flow to that organ. Whether it's the heart and cardiovascular disease, or it's the liver, the brain and dementia and Alzheimer's, or it's the skin. There's a loss of regulation of blood flow. So you're not getting oxygen and nutrients to cells and they fail. So we lose collagen, we lose hydration. Fine lines and wrinkles set in. Our skin sags. And so our thought process was, if we can restore that missing molecule, can we restore the vitality of the skin? And the answer is yes. And we've demonstrated this in five or six published clinical trials. But it improves oxygen delivery, it mobilizes stem cells, it improves collagen deposition and improves hydration.

[Susan Schaefer]

Tone, texture, clarity's improved as well, too.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, pass my bottle back up. So I wanted to pass it down and let y' all see the two different pumps. Okay. And Rachel, just take and put a little bit on.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

Which side do I do it?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Doesn't matter which side. One pump from one side.

[Joni Lamb]

One pump on one side.

[Joni]

No, no, wait.

[Susan Schaefer]

One of each.

[Joni Lamb]

Now put the other. You have to do both.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Now mix it together.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay. And now you mix them together.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

And now the surface of your skin will turn a slight pink. So what we're doing is we're recruiting capillaries. We're forcing blood flow to that area and flooding it with oxygen.

[Joni Lamb]

Wonderful.

[Susan Schaefer]

Joanie, will you hand me the bottle? Yes. I'll show you for busy folks on the go. In the morning, after I wash my face, I do one pump on each side. I mix it together like this. I do it on my face. I do my eye area, I do my neck. I do my lips, always have a little extra. I'll do the back of my hands. My brown spots are gone.

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

Oh.

[Susan Schaefer]

And so then I'm ready to go. Maybe about a minute.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, look at Rachel's hand now.

[Susan Schaefer]

And the redness doesn't have any burn or itch or any heat to it.

[Joni Lamb]

No, no, no, no. It goes away. It just pulls it up.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's right.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

But it's also improving cellular turnover. So what we have to do is slough off old cells that are dysfunctional and replace them with functional cells that can.

[Joni Lamb]

Excellent. Would that replace like ecstasy, exfoliating or anything like that or.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

No, I mean, you see it like when you.

[Joni Lamb]

It's almost like a moisturizer kind of.

[Susan Schaefer]

It doesn't offer hydration. However, it does help the skin retain moisture. It's not going to be an exfoliant in the sense of like a traditional exfoliant, but it does help with the cell turnover. So it does help daily.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

So would you use this like in coordination with what you're already using or does it replace.

[Susan Schaefer]

Yes. No. We're the first nitric oxide topical. So I would use this. Cleanse your skin, Use this first. Then, you know, everyone has different needs of their skin. So you, like, some people have dry

[Joni Lamb]

skin, some people have oily. So if they need lotion or whatever. But this is the first to go on the first step.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's the first step. And it'll make anything else that you put on after absorb even better and work better. Or if you wanted to pair maybe red light therapy with it, you know, it'll make that go better too.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

It's really red now.

[Susan Schaefer]

Yeah, you can see it.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

You know, my dad, who suffered a car accident in 1984, been in a wheelchair for 40 something years, but he developed a lot of non healing wounds and ulcers and he almost died from it. Got septic and got infected. But once we got him over the infection, I took him to the best wound care docs around and everyone told me, you'll never heal that wound.

[Joni Lamb]

Really.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

And so I just refused to accept that. So I started making a topical nitric oxide specifically to treat my dad's wound. And within six months we had healed a four year old non healing wound.

[Joni]

Wow.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

When you think about wound care, it's a non healing wound. Whether it's diabetic or pressure ulcer, there's no blood supply to it. So with no blood supply, it's prone to infections. It's isolated from our immune system. And so when you apply nitric oxide, it recruits capillaries, it gets blood flow, it's antibacterial, so it kills a lot of the pathogens and non healing wounds. And remarkably, within six months, we completely healed his wound.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, you know, Dr. Nathan's nitric oxide system boosts circulation, supports heart health, transforms your skin, and much more. Let's watch and see just how incredible the nitric oxide dino duo is.

[Joni]

As we grow older, skin changes not

[Joni Lamb]

just on the surface, but beneath it.

[Joni]

When nitric oxide declines, circulation slows, wrinkles form and hydration fades.

[Joni Lamb]

That's why I choose N1O1, a powerful inside out system from Dr. Nathan Bryan, an international leader in molecular medicine. Two innovations, one intention help you become your most radiant, youthful self. The nitric oxide activating serum boosts collagen, increases blood flow and deeply hydrates.

[Joni]

Fine lines soften, skin feels firmer, smoother, alive again. And to support from within, I take

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[David]

over time as they dissolve, supporting healthy

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circulation, energy and even memory. More blood flow, more vitality.

[David]

Fuel for the body that carries me through life.

[Joni Lamb]

Call now or go online to order N101 Dynoduo today. All right, so we talked about the N101 which is for the skin and the face. And talk about the nitric oxide lozenges. This is your number one seller. And, but I ask Dr. Brian and Susan, how could we make this available to our audience? And so we've worked together with them to make it available to you. I mean, these are things that I believe can help people and I've, and I love, I love doing that. So tell me about the lozenges. That's more for the inside. That's actually your number one seller.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

That is. And you know, so again, nitric oxide.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay girls, each one take those, they actually taste good.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

And so we have to, we had to figure out how do we restore the production of a gas that when it's produced, it's gone in less than a second. That's been a challenge in the field for more than 40 years. In fact, a lot of my colleagues said it could never be done. But that was the riddle we solved with creating a solid dose form of nitric oxide gas. So you put this lozenge in your mouth, and then it's going to dissolve over five to seven minutes.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

But as it's dissolving right now, it's releasing nitric oxide gas.

[Joni Lamb]

Just move it over. I think she already looks five years older.

[David]

It's working.

[Susan Schaefer]

It's working.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

It turns your hair red and it does better blood flow.

[Joni Lamb]

It doesn't taste bad, does it? No, it tastes good. Tastes real good. It's like a mint. So we can get one, Dorothy, we'll get one. I was making too much noise.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

But your blood vessels are dilating. We're improving oxygen delivery to every organ, tissue and cell in the body. Right now, as it's dissolving, it's mobilizing stem cells. So if you have an elevation in blood pressure, it's going to support healthy blood pressure.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

Is there anybody who should not take it?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

There's only two people in the world who need nitric oxide. It's the people who are sick and want to get better, and it's the people who are healthy and don't want to get sick.

[Joni Lamb]

Only two types. Go ahead and take it.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Yeah, and we have kids. You know, my teenage kids have been taking it for a number of years before sporting events because it improves athletic performance. I mean, everything is about circulation, blood flow, oxygen delivery, and performance, whether it's athletic performance, whether it's executive function or, you know, sexual performance.

[Joni Lamb]

I would think the two most important things are. Excuse me. Circulation and oxygen, for sure, for every. Every organ in your body.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

And nitric oxide, interestingly, is what regulates oxygen delivery.

[Joni Lamb]

What would be the dosage per day?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

So what. What we've had to do in the supplement space is supplement. What's missing? So we had to understand how much nitric oxide does a healthy person make? And based on American diet, lifestyle, some things, what's missing? And then we make up the delta. So for this particular technology, in the majority of people, one lozenge every 12 hours is sufficient.

[Joni Lamb]

Or even some people could just do one lozenge a day.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

One lozenge a day. Or, you know, if you've got metabolic syndrome or your blood pressure's elevated, or you get some brain fog, then, you know, you can increase the dose.

[Joni Lamb]

And so that works more on the inside.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

That's right.

[Joni Lamb]

Lozenger, which. This is more on the outside. Well, let's look at what we can Actually, how we can make this available to you? I think we have another commercial because, you know, nitric oxide has so many incredible benefits. It can restore age related loss, support damaged skin, and there's so much more. So let's watch this together.

[Susan Schaefer]

Say n O to fine lines and

[Joni Lamb]

wrinkles, dull and lifeless skin, large pores and blemishes. Then say yes to great skin with N101 nitric oxide. Activating serum. N101 is the first skin care that restores the age related loss of the Nobel prize winning anti aging molecule nitric oxide to correct damaged skin. The problem is our body makes less nitric oxide as we get older. N1O1 restores the missing no. To address the root cause of aging, aging skin.

[Susan Schaefer]

The result, wrinkles and dark spots disappear.

[Joni Lamb]

N101's molecular age defiance begins with just

[Susan Schaefer]

one pump from the convenient dual chamber bottle.

[Joni Lamb]

Developed by world renowned nitric oxide biochemist, Dr. Nathan S. Bryant, N101 is patent pending, clinically tested, and doctor recommended. With N101. I went from dull, dry skin, not feeling confident, to a dewy t texture to feeling confident about my skin, feeling more confident generally, and stepping out without makeup. My mom asked me what I was doing. She's like, it looks like you're turning back the hands of time. What are you on?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

I know N101 works because I don't use anything else. I never have used anything else. So there's only one thing that can make the change.

[Joni Lamb]

All right, so we ask you guys, if you work with us, what's the best price we can come up with? So we can show you that right there for the, for the duo, for both of them, it's $132.80 for both with code JOANIENX. But you've got to use the code JONI, NX and of course, you can go to joanielam.comshop, get it there as well. And Joni, that's marked down from how much. Tell people how much they save.

[Susan Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

From 161. From $161.96. Or if you just want the skincare, that's $99. If you just want the Lozengers, that's $49.18. They both will last about a month.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's right.

[Joni Lamb]

Is that right?

[Susan Schaefer]

That's right.

[Joni Lamb]

So we know how much skin care cost.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

Yeah, it's a great deal, Right?

[Joni Lamb]

Rachel got me some skincare and I was like, what in the world? It was like it was over $200. Right.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

For this little 255.

[Susan Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

This little tiny thing. I'm just like, what in the world? But anyway.

[Susan Schaefer]

And you can layer that. Like, if you wanted to put this on first, that would work even better.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Or perhaps even eliminate the need.

[Susan Schaefer]

It's possible, too.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, that's what I'm doing right now. In fact, she'll ask me, are you using that? And I'm like, yep, I'm using it. Okay, so questions. I know y' all have questions about brain fog. So if you have a day that you're just a little bit foggy, you can take this or take an extra one if you needed to.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Absolutely. You know, it's really effective at improving brain function, executive function, because when you develop brain fog, or what we call mild cognitive impairment, it's always lack of blood supply to that region of the brain. So if we can dilate the blood vessels, improve blood flow, oxygen delivery to that brain, the better the cells are going to function.

[Joni Lamb]

Can you put one of those little oxygen things on your finger and see how it improves?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Absolutely.

[Susan Schaefer]

Sure.

[Joni Lamb]

It can be interesting.

[Susan Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

No, you move the needle every time.

[Susan Schaefer]

We do demos, often at events and to show the changes in the body. And it's really exciting to be able to show. But that's one that we'll do too.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

I know that you guys, I'm going to do that. Have some incredible stories of people's lives who have been changed by this product specifically. Can you share one that comes to mind?

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. And we want to just a precursor to that, say we're not making any claims.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's right.

[Joni Lamb]

And it doesn't mean that what happened for one person is going to happen for everybody.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Exactly.

[Joni Lamb]

So we got to be careful with that. We want to stick with the main fact that we, in our body, God created us to have nitric oxide in our blood vessels and that it decreases and this helps add it back in.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's right.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Now, look, the beauty of what we do is every morning I wake up to hundreds of emails, texts and phone calls of people that we've changed their life. But to answer your question, and this is one that we published in the scientific and medical literature, we had a 15 year old kid at Texas Children's Hospital back in 2007. He'd suffered from 10 years of really resistant hypertension, meaning his blood pressure was critically elevated and there was no prescription medication that would normalize.

[Joni Lamb]

It's so unusual.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Like, he had a rare genetic disorder, but he wasn't put in the pediatric intensive care unit. His blood pressure was 215 over 110. I mean, at severe risk of stroke. And so the doctors were out of medicine, they couldn't give him anything else. So we gave him the lozenge. Four hours later, his blood pressure was 130 over 80.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh my.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

And within five days we reversed his kidney disease. And five months later we completely reversed his heart disease.

[Joni Lamb]

And why, what happened? Like medically tell us.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Well, his genetic condition turned out to be a deficiency of nitric oxide production. And so if we.

[Joni Lamb]

So it turned out to be the very.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

He was missing this critical molecule which dilates his blood vessels. So if we give it, he can't make it. Obviously. So if he can't make it, we got to give.

[Joni Lamb]

It's probably still on it, right?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Absolutely. We published that in 2011. So what are we, 15 years later?

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

But we dilated the blood vessels. So when you have the same volume of blood going through bigger pipes, pressure comes down.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

So you literally saved his life?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

We saved his life and we mobilized stem cells and it led to curing his heart disease and reversing his kidney disease. And his cognition improved. He was beating his dad in chest after that.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

What type of diseases are typically associated with like low nitric oxide? Like what other diseases?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Every age related chronic disease, whether it's dementia and Alzheimer's, high blood pressure heart disease, end stage renal disease, portal hypertension, liver disease, pulmonary disease, copd, emphysema. There's not a new.

[Joni Lamb]

What about rheumatoid arthritis or some of those?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Yeah, I mean all of these. Autoimmune disease, it's associated with inflammation. Nitric oxide reduces inflammation. In fact, I have a number of patents on nitric oxide reducing the inflammatory

[Joni Lamb]

response with the serum. Would that help? I have psoriasis and on my hands and on my feet. Would that product help me and do I put it specifically on the area?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

You put it on the other scaling area, the cervidic area.

[Joni]

Yes.

[Susan Schaefer]

It will help with psoriasis.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

We've seen it. My uncle has like psoriatic arthritis. I mean severe psoriasis. And you use the serum and it goes away because it's down regulating the immune response. It's inhibiting the oxidative stress and the immune dysfunction that you see in any autoimmune or any. Any really chronic disease.

[Joni Lamb]

Is there a risk of having too much nitric in your body?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

There is. I mean just like there's dose dependence, dose dictates the poison. The only thing we worry about is an unsafe drop in blood pressure. So if you take Too many. It could dilate the blood vessels and cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure.

[Joni Lamb]

But you should, but you don't.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

We've never seen it.

[Joni Lamb]

Don't take a bunch of.

[Susan Schaefer]

I have low blood pressure and I typically take two a day. One in the morning, one in the late afternoon when I'm traveling or if I'm really under a lot of stress because stress depletes the body of nitric oxide. I will take maybe three to four spaced apart throughout the day just to fortify my immune function and your blood pressure and I'm fine. I've never been dizzy. I've never, you know, nothing.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Yeah, we tested that before we ever brought these products to market, putting 24 hour ambulatory blood pressure measurements on people that have high blood pressure, normal blood pressure, even low blood pressure.

[Joni Lamb]

Other than aging, what else causes the drop in nitric oxide?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

It's things like poor diet, a diet high in carbohydrates or sugars that cause an increase in blood sugar. Breathing bad air, breathing bad air.

[Joni Lamb]

Smoking.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Smoking, drinking fluoride, fluoride in the drinking water, fluoride in the toothpaste, mouthwash and antacids. Those are the big if you eliminate sugar and carbohydrates from your diet, get fluoride free toothpaste and eliminate fluoride from the water supply, stop using mouthwash and wean off antacids.

[Joni Lamb]

There are good mouthwashes, though.

[Susan Schaefer]

You want the one without alcohol?

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, there are. And without alcohol, anything that doesn't say

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

antiseptic, you do not want antiseptic.

[Susan Schaefer]

Yeah, because it's stripping the good out.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

But that's also fluoride, you know, most.

[Joni Lamb]

So the reason why that's bad to put that in your mouth is exactly why I explained that.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Well, because we and others identified oral bacteria years ago that are responsible for the production of nitric oxide. So we're finding is if you take normal intensive patients and you give them mouthwash for seven days, it kills the good bacteria, their blood pressure goes up. And now we're finding if we can target the oral microbiome by creating an innovative toothpaste, which we did, and now a mouth rinse and restore these bacteria.

[Joni Lamb]

I use a toothpaste, by the way.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Yeah, it can improve nitric oxide.

[Joni Lamb]

After I heard about this, I'm like, okay, give me that toothpaste. What about the, what is it?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

The micro, the microbiome.

[Joni Lamb]

Talk about that.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

So the human body is 10 times more bacterial than we are human cells. Right. There's bacteria that live in and on our body. And these bacteria are what we call symbiotics, symbionts. So they're providing important metabolic activity that we as humans can't do.

[Joni Lamb]

This is good bacteria.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

No, these are good bacteria. Yeah. So now we know that if you destroy the microbiome, it causes systemic disease. That's why you don't take an antibiotic every day, because it destroys your gut bacteria and causes you.

[Joni Lamb]

Or if you do have to take it for something, you want to take a probiotic to build that back up.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

That's right. After your regimen of antibiotics, you've got to restore the fluorine. So what we're trying to do is develop technology that selectively kills pathogens, infectious bacteria, while supporting and improving the diversity of the microbiome. And it's going to transform dentistry and dental medicine, it's going to transform human medicine. And the future of medicine is going to be nitric oxide.

[Joni Lamb]

So you're always way ahead of everybody else. Like you were with this. Right.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

Tell us what you're working on.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

I mean, we've been very successful in the consumer market. We've developed the supplements, skin care line of products and oral line of products. But you know, it was never my intent as being in academia to develop dietary supplements. Right. We're in. My job was to understand the mechanism of disease to the extent that you can develop rational therapy. So we've got drug therapies now for heart disease, we're developing a drug for Alzheimer's and we're taking that same topical that I healed my dad's wound with and developing it as a topical drug for diabetic ulcers and non healing.

[Joni Lamb]

Excellent. That's awesome.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

That's the future.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. That's great. Well, we're out of time. Let's put the prices up one more time. If you just want the Age defiant serum, that's $99. Rachel with what?

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

The code Joanie NX yes. And you go to joanielam.com shop. Use the code.

[Joni Lamb]

Use the code Joni nx that's interesting. Code right there. If you just want the Lozengers, $49.18 for a whole month's worth.

[Susan Schaefer]

That's good.

[Joni Lamb]

And again, use the code Joni nx. If you don't use the code, you won't get that. You won't get the discount. Thank you for giving us a deal to help our viewers and everyone knows that Rachel will tell you I'm not going to push anything that I haven't tried and I don't believe in no, absolutely.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

And I've heard you rave about this product, and I've seen the results myself. So this is really an exciting opportunity for everybody.

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Okay, thank you, ladies.

[Joni Lamb]

All right, well. Well, thank you for being here Today, Susan and Dr. Brian. We're out of time, but I want you to remember, God has provided tools and supplements and natural resources to help bring healing into our lives. No matter what you've been facing or how long you've been searching for answers, don't lose hope, because God is still at work. And the miracle you're believing for is possible whether you use any of these products or not. God is still a miracle working God, and we've seen him do incredible miracles. We've seen him do incredible healing. So if you need prayer today, if you're watching, that's what that number's on the screen. We would love to pray with you and just encourage you. So avail yourself to that number. Also, if you don't know the Lord, really, that's the most important thing we could talk about today at the table. And so all you have to do is just invite Jesus in. Just say, jesus, hey, I've tried everything else. I want to try you. Will you forgive me? Come into my heart. Forgive me of my sins. 1 John 1:9 says, if we confess our sins, he's faithful and just. Forgive us of all our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. And so all you have to do is open your heart and believe and pray. Believe that he died on the cross for all of us sitting at this table and for you that's watching. And that prayer will prepare you for eternal life. Okay? Now, we're doing stuff to help us in this life, but this life is just a stepping stone to the life to come. And we want you to be prepared to meet the Lord whenever you do die. So those of you that prayed that prayer, call us and we will send you the Gospel of John. It's one of the books in the New Testament. It's a great place to start in the word of God. And it's just our way of saying thank you. I want to thank Dr. Nathan and Susan for joining us. To learn more about nitric oxide dyno duo or to order today, visit jonielam.comshop Be sure to use the promotional code. What is it?

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

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[Joni Lamb]

Okay. And use that at the checkout to receive a special offer. And as always, make sure to follow us on all social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel. Listen to the Joni Tabletop podcast available now on all the major platforms. I want to thank you so much for watching, especially those of you that prayed or those of you that need prayer. That's why that number's there. We care about you. Just know this. You're not alone. I don't care what you've done, where you've been. God loves you and he has continued purpose for your life. We'll see you next time. Bye bye for today.

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[Bennions (Musical Group)]

I heart Radio.

[Joni Lamb]

Well born into a close knit ministry family, these three siblings have been making music together and individually for decades and the recent endeavor has brought them back in touch with their musical roots. Here to sing Ain't no Grave Please welcome my dear friends, the Bennions.

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

Oh shame is a prison as cruel as the grave Shame is a robber and he's come to take my name oh, love is my redeemer Lifting me up from the ground Love is the power where my freedom song is found There ain't no grave. Going to hold my body down There ain't no grave. Going to hold my body down

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

When

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

I hear that trumpet sound I'm going to rise up out of the ground There ain't no queen. Gonna hold my body down. Oh fear is a liar with a smooth and velvet tongue Fear is a tyrant he's always telling me to run oh love is a resurrection and love is a trumpet sound oh love is my weapon I'm gonna take my giants down. There ain't no great. Going to hold my body down When I hear that trumpet sound I'm going to rise up out of the ground There ain't no queen. Gonna hold my body down. Oh there was a battle, a war between death and life and there on a tree the lamb of God was crucified well he went on down the hill and it took back every kid he rose up like a liar to set those caps free. Go hold my body down There ain't no grave. Going to hold my body down When I hear that trumpet sound

[Joni Lamb]

I'm gonna

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

rise up out of the ground There ain't no crazy if you walked out

[Bobby]

of the grave I'm walking too I'm

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

walking too if you walked out of the grave I'mma walking to I'm walking to if you walked out the grave I'm walking Too I'm walking

[Joni Lamb]

if you

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

walk down the grave I'm a walking to every grave. Going to hold my body down Ain't no craz. Going to hold my body down

[Bobby]

When

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

I hear that trumpet slide Going to rise up out of the ground

[Joni Lamb]

There

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

ain't no grave gonna hold my body down.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, their latest album, Roots, is a powerful celebration of the music they were raised with and the faith filled songs they've written over a decades long journey in ministry. It's a great retrospective of their career and today they're here to tell us the story behind it. But before we get to that, Dorothy Newton. Oh, it's going to be a great show. You like that? I love it. I love the family. And one of them is hilarious Rachel Ann Brown.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

We sure do love this family and man, what an incredible rich legacy of creating music. A lot of even their children have now gone on to just do amazing things. And so I love seeing like the band get back together and just, I love that the, the music that's coming from them.

[Joni Lamb]

So, David, I know that you all have had a lot of loss over the last five years. How difficult has that been for you?

[David]

You know, when you. Of course it's difficult. Grief is a real thing and it's okay to grieve. But when mom and dad were walking through their struggles, it felt more a relief that they weren't suffering anymore and so just be able to rejoice that they're with the one that we've lived for, that they've raised us to believe and worship. So it was kind of. I didn't find myself hiding away sobbing because mom and dad were gone, because I knew they were ever present with the Lord.

[Joni Lamb]

We'll get to you in a minute. But you love them. But you also could see that by them graduating to heaven, there would be no more pain.

[David]

Right?

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

Right.

[David]

And so I was, I celebrated that. It was harder to lose my brothers, I think, than even my parents. I think that's kind of the normal progression in life. Of course I know people that have lost their children and that's just so out of order for that to happen. But when I lost Jimmy and then Gary, it was, it was just a weird dynamic to. I think probably it makes you think, okay, we're getting older.

[Joni Lamb]

It's true, it's true.

[Bobby]

It was hitting close to home. In fact, the last funeral we went to, Lisa was cutting up saying, you're gonna be next, Bobby. No, I'm not going.

[Joni Lamb]

So let's talk about you, Bobbi. One of the greatest losses. Oh, we loved her around here so much. But your wife was.

[Bobby]

For me, it's a loss. My personal loss. But to me, it's. It's a gift I got to give her back. In fact, on our 40th anniversary, we were in South Texas, and she got diagnosed with cancer. So they didn't want to do anything to her. They said that she would bleed out on the table. So they gave her enough medicine to get her home to where she wouldn't bleed out. So when we got home, we started making plans to go see Dr. Contreras. And when he saw her, he said. Niall said, she's not going to bleed out. Said, we're going to get that out. And he got 99.9% of it out.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Bobby]

And then. And she lived for another year. Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

Which was miraculous.

[Bobby]

Very miraculous. And then we were still. I mean, and that, to me, I cherished the last year that I had with her more than I did before, because we still got to go walk together. We still got to pray together. And every time I would see her in worship, I knew that she was seeing him closer than she'd ever seen him.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. Michelle might have been one of the sweetest persons that walk the earth. She was so precious.

[Joni]

And I dealt with it a little differently than I think women do. It's more emotional. And so there was a time, it was a few weeks after Michelle had passed, and Bobby came to me one night, and he said, do you know any guys in Nashville that could produce a solo project for me? And I said, sure, because I lived there. We'd all lived there several times. And so that night, I went to bed, and it felt like I had already gone to sleep, but it felt like something just punched me in the chest and woke me up. And when I woke up, all I could think about was this conversation we had. And I got up and went into his bedroom. I said, bobby, you're not supposed to do a solo record right now. I'm like, I don't know why, but I feel like to honor not just Michelle, but Mom and dad and our brothers, how we grew up. It's not even the kind of music that any of us do now, but out of love, out of respect of how they brought us up, I said, let's go back and do what we did as kids.

[Joni Lamb]

You got Bobby on board? Tell me.

[Joni]

Got Bobby on board. Well, his first thing was, oh, David. David won't do that. He's too busy. I said, oh, yeah, he will. And he was more excited about it than I was.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

What did you think when she came to you and told you about this idea?

[David]

I was like, absolutely without hesitation. Why? Why not?

[Bobby]

Because they love me so much.

[David]

I. I just, I've been. I was so excited to do this. I immediately went into producer mode. Okay, what. What songs should we do? What? You know, how are we going to do this? To make sure I don't get it

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

too high for music albums.

[Joni]

Yeah.

[David]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.

[David]

I remember you sang. You recorded several of my songs.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes, I did.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

Was it healing for you guys? Like going back to your roots and doing that?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Oh, yeah.

[Joni]

Oh man.

[Bobby]

I think Lisa mentioned it best. There was such a joy in the studio. There was no pressure. We didn't have any people telling us what to sing or how to sing it or, you know, so we just, we just had fun with it. And just. In fact, even Gary, this. Before Gary passed, he came.

[Joni]

He was there for the first session. So that was the last thing that we did together with Gary before he passed.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Joni]

The year before he died.

[Joni Lamb]

So, Bobby, did you immediately say yes or did you need time to think about it? When she woke up?

[Joni]

Oh, no.

[Bobby]

I was. In fact, I'd been laying in bed thinking of the songs that I was gonna put on an album. And then she came in. Cause she never comes into my room. But she knocked on the door. She says, are you awake? I said, yeah, I'm awake. I'm sitting here singing songs to myself. She says, well, I just talked to David. I sent him a text. And so from then it just snowballed into what it is now.

[Joni Lamb]

What about your upbringing? Tell us about it.

[David]

I don't have a memory in my life when I wasn't aware of the presence of God. I remember sitting in church on my dad's lap, his little chubby leg, and weeping at the presence of God in the room. When someone get healed or just an awareness that God was there. Are listening to my mom and dad pray at home. And then as kids, mom and dad said, okay, you guys are memorizing chapters of the Bible. And it started with like Psalm 1, Psalm 100, Psalm 150, Psalm 23. Then we went to Isaiah 53, that's 12 verses. And then we had John 14, that was like 50 something verses. And it was. I discovered later in life when I started pastoring people that someone would come for just with a burden and they're sharing their story and one of the scriptures would come rising up and I would able to declare the word of God over A situation, you would feel it cut like a sword and pierce right into the problem and lift people.

[Joni]

So I love that they put that into us. I was like, when you least expect it, when you need it. There are times that I'll even be hearing guests sometime on the different shows that we do, and they'll give a scripture, and it just, oh, my God. That's the one mom forced us to remember.

[Bobby]

So when you get squeezed, whatever comes out is what's inside.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. But as children, there's something that happens that it planted so deep, it just stays with you. It really does. Well, I know they're gonna do another song you're gonna love. It's my favorite song, actually. We recorded it, but tell us the background behind.

[Joni]

I had a lot of trauma as a small child, and so for years growing up in ministry, I just could not put it together. How I'm seeing God heal people. Everywhere we went, when we traveled, yet I was suffering emotionally and mentally and just battled depression for years until I just. I became a drug addict for many years. And I remember even it was at the very beginning of the drug addiction, I was still hiding some of this. And I would get on the plane with David, and we would fly and go somewhere, and on the plane going to Phoenix. Phoenix. I wrote the chorus to this song, and I remember showing it to him, and he was like, oh, yeah, that's nice. And if I thought David didn't like a song, then I thought, well, it must not be very good, because he was my hero when it comes to songwriting. So I just put it in a drawer and it sat there for a couple of years, and it came back to me again. When the choir at our church was doing a project, he goes, do you have anything new? So I pulled this out, and when I showed it to him again, he goes, where did that come from? I said, dude, I showed it to you, like, a couple of years ago. So he wrote the verse to this song. Just that in itself.

[David]

I wrote the verse when Lisa came in. And at this point, there was no hiding the addiction. And she came in a wreck in church, and I remember seeing her. And the presence of God was beautiful in the service that night. And I just started writing. When I came into this room, my heart was heavy. I saw her and I wrote her. And then we together, we wrote the bridge.

[Joni Lamb]

Share some of those messages.

[David]

When I came into this room, my heart was heavy. I struggled just to make it through the day. Suddenly I felt a holy reverence and the pain inside began to slip Away. Right away, I knew that something happened. Reflected on expressions, on each face, taken by surprise. I felt his presence, and I knew that this must be a holy place. There is healing in this house.

[Joni]

He was prophesying because at that point, I had not experienced.

[Joni Lamb]

And you were, prophetically speaking, declaring and

[Joni]

declaring over her, and that's exactly what happened to me.

[Joni Lamb]

So had you surrendered at that point?

[Joni]

No.

[Joni Lamb]

Or you still was in the.

[David]

Okay, she was high when she wrote the chorus.

[Joni]

Yeah, I was getting high and.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, so tell the moment kind of of your surrender.

[Joni]

Well, this surrender. I just. It was a long drug addiction that went from bad to worse from that

[Joni Lamb]

point, probably a couple more years.

[Joni]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Even more than that, probably. I remember even telling him when I first wrote the course. I said, you know, this song sounds like somebody should do it on Benny Hinn, because he's got a healing ministry. That was literally what came out of my mouth. And I kid you not. Ten years later, I'm officially homeless. No car, no home, no job. I lost everything because it got so bad. It went from bad to worse. I ended up.

[Joni Lamb]

And you've used up all the family mercy.

[Joni]

Yes. Yes. And honestly, I was done with God. I didn't want to go back to God. I didn't want help because I thought I literally took royalty checks from this song and bought crack with it. Like, how do you come back from that? Isn't that a line? Like the church we grew up in, if you cross a line, that's it, you know? And that's just. That's just what I was told. That's what I believed. And. But it was crazy how God came and broke all those church's rules.

[Joni Lamb]

So what happened?

[Joni]

So I. I had been up for seven days smoking crack. I called a friend of ours. It was David Nicole's nanny. The only girl in that church that would have a thing to do with me. I called her and I said, I've been up seven days. Can I just come there and sleep? And she was leaving town with us. She was in love with us, which was a miracle in itself. Who's gonna let a crackhead in their apartment when they're out of town? But she said, if you don't bring anyone with you, I'll leave a candle, the match. You can come here, sleep, eat whatever's here, shower, and then leave things the way you found them. I said, fine. I go into this apartment. I had a drug dealer drop me off at 4 in the morning. I go in and I'm so high I'm just so. I'm just. I could not calm down. So I turned the TV on. And wouldn't you know, it's on a Christian TV network. So I turn it on and it's on Benny Hinn. And I'm like, oh, I'm not watching this. And I grabbed the TV controller. And when I grabbed the controller, I saw Karen Wheaton, our friend. You and Karen are very good friends.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Joni]

I saw Karen walking across Benny's platform, and she started singing.

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

When I came into this room, my heart was heavy.

[Joni]

She starts singing the song that I wrote.

[Rachel Lamp Brown]

Wow.

[Joni]

And that moment, I felt such guilt and shame. I turned the TV off. And the second I did, I started hearing voices telling me to kill myself. And I had been close to being suicidal different times in my drug addiction. But this night, I felt the shame of the heaviness of that. And I got up to do it. I didn't care anymore. God was the last thing on my mind. I didn't want help. I didn't want church. I didn't want. I was done. Been in ministry all my life. I was done. There's no hope for somebody like me. When I took that first step. Do you feel me touch your arm? That's what I felt like. Somebody physically came from behind me and grabbed me. And for a split second, I thought, I'm hallucinating. And when I turned, when I turned to look and saw there's nobody there. I suddenly remembered the moments I had in God's presence growing up. And I recognized it was the presence of God. It melted me to the floor. I laid there for hours, just crying. And we. Because it wouldn't let go. Whatever this was that had me would not let go. Release me. Yeah. It never did release me until I wanted to live again. And when I got up the next morning, the only person I could think to call, it wasn't a family member. I called Cindy Murdoch, of all people. And I knew she had, you know, she had issues and heard a lot. She's gone through stuff in her life, you know, And I'm like, if Cindy can go through some of the stuff, but not drugs. No, nothing like that. No, she. Nothing like that. But I thought, if Cindy can handle the things she's handled and the people.

[Joni Lamb]

Family issues.

[Joni]

Family issues, she can handle me. I was just going to go there for a weekend, and I ended up being there for six months. I lived with her, and I did a program there, and I stayed clean. And when I left, I traveled with Tommy Tenney for a Couple of years. And he told me, lisa, you've got to tell people what God's done for you. That's how you're made. An overcomer by the blood of the lamb and the word of your testimony. I'd never spoke before in my life. I was always a musician and a singer.

[David]

And now we can't shut her up.

[Joni]

Now you can't shut me up.

[Joni Lamb]

So were your parents alive during that time?

[Dr. Nathan Bryan]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes, they were.

[Joni]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

So they got to see the end of it. We're out of time. And I know that you want to hear this song because I want to hear it. But you know what I love is the fact that some of you watching, you feel like you crossed the line, but you haven't. God loves you so much. And I want you to remember that no matter what you're going through, there is hope and healing. This album reminds us that there's power and freedom when we step into the presence of God. Yes. If you're watching today and you need prayer, call that number on your screen. We love to pray with you and encourage you. Well, I want to thank Bobby, David, and Lisa. 30 plus year friendship with these people. I love them dearly. Thank you for joining us. Oh, and be sure to go and check out their new album, the Bendion Roots, available now. And as always, make sure to follow us on all social media, subscribe to our YouTube channel, and you can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. Well, we couldn't leave the program without this last song. Y' all want to hear it? Yes. Let's do it. Yes. You want to hear Healing in this House? Yes. All right, here we go. Thank you, guys. Thank you for. Love you so much.

[Joni]

Love you, Joanie.

[Joni Lamb]

And the project's called Roots. Roots.

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

Roots.

[Joni Lamb]

All right, thank you for watching. We'll see you next time.

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

When I came into this room My heart was heavy I struggled just to make it through the day. Suddenly I felt a holy reverence

[Joni Lamb]

and

[Bennions (Musical Group)]

the pain inside began to slip away. Right away I knew that something happened. Reflected is expressions on each face. Taken by surprise I felt his presence Yes, I did and I knew that this must be a holy place House There is healing in this house Healing in this house Manifesting peace to come Troubled hearts with healing bone There is healing living in this house Restoration in this place There is mercy There is way Though your heavy laden come bring your burdens one by one Leave them here where they belong There is healing in his house. Healing for your soul Healing for your mind and if you're heavy laden There is peace for trouble Time Healing for your soul Healing for your mind if you're heavy there is peace for trouble Sigh Healing for your soul Healing for your mind if you're heavy laden there is peace for trouble There is healing in this house Restoration in this place There is mercy there is grace for your heavy laden cup Bring your burden burdens one by one Leave them here where they belong There is heing this house.

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