JONI TABLE TALK - MAY 31st, 2026

Summary

Real America’s Voice: Joni Table Talk — May 31, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of Joni Table Talk on Real America’s Voice explores two major themes through in-depth conversations with special guests:

1. Biblical Prosperity and The Power to Prosper — A conversation with digital evangelist and author Cap Chatfield about his testimony, the meaning of prosperity in the Christian life, and breaking down misconceptions around the "prosperity gospel."
2. America in End Times Prophecy — An interview with prophetic voice Rick Pearson, discussing his claim that the United States is identified with Babylon the Great in Old Testament prophecy, the importance of national covenant, and perspectives on current events relating to Israel and America.

The panel, led by host Joni Lamb and regular contributors, provides engaging, honest, and at times controversial discussion, aiming to challenge mainstream narratives and encourage viewers to seek deeper biblical truths.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Understanding True Biblical Prosperity (Cap Chatfield Interview)

[03:16–31:17]

Cap Chatfield’s Testimony

• Cap was raised in a church-going family but became disillusioned at 13 when his reverend discouraged him from reading the entire Bible.
• In college, he became a self-described “full-blown atheist” and party-goer at the University of Miami, before a Christian friend reframed the Gospel as “the greatest love story”:

  “Jesus is the knight in shining armor. ... The bride of Christ is the princess... Jesus becomes the knight in shining armor, lives the life that you and I could never live ... slays the dragon on that cross...”
  – Cap Chatfield, [09:26]

• A personal, unexpected encounter with God in his car led to his conversion; he describes it as going from “black and white television to 4K resolution.”

  “It was almost like a familiar voice I had been ignoring my whole life. ... I want to serve you for the rest of my life.”
  – Cap Chatfield, [11:29]

• Importance of Discipleship: After his conversion, Cap’s friend discipled him, answering questions late into the night and showing “life-on-life transfer” is critical for Christians beyond Sunday services.

The Power to Prosper: What the Bible Says

• Cap’s new book, The Power to Prosper, is rooted in his journey from struggling entrepreneur to influential digital evangelist.
• He describes hitting bottom in 2022: business failing, family health crisis, no health insurance.

  “I was taking on debt to keep my employees employed... The doctor said, ‘Do you have health insurance?’ ... In my mind, I’m thinking, ‘No, because I’m a failing entrepreneur ... and God’s not helping me in this area.’”
  – Cap Chatfield, [23:02]

• Revelatory moment: God corrected his misreading of Matthew 6:33 ("You had that verse backwards... Seek first the kingdom and his righteousness and all these things will be added to you. Not the other way around.").
  – [24:24]
• In obedience, he pivoted to content creation for God—"Jesus was my only client" for four months. God responded:

  “My social media platforms grew from 3.5 thousand to 3.5 million in less than 12 months.”
  – Cap Chatfield, [25:51]

Prosperity: A Biblical Mandate or Heresy?

• Cap argues prosperity is about “having more than enough for your assignment, and to be a blessing to others”—not selfish gain.

  “Until we get that, I’ll tell you what, I know why the devil is working so hard to make prosperity a curse word. Because if the Church did get this, we’d be a dangerous weapon.”
  – Cap Chatfield, [26:59]

• Pushback exists due to abuse and fear among leaders; many avoid the teaching, leaving believers in ignorance.

  “The people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...”
  – Cap Chatfield, [27:48]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “If you chase after God with the callings placed on your life wholeheartedly, you can’t not prosper in that assignment.”
  – Cap Chatfield, [27:40]
• “God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.”
  – Joni Lamb, [16:36]
• Cap’s summary: “Everybody who uses money day to day [should read this book],” warning of an "Antichrist system" and urging economic allegiance to God, not the world. – [28:23–28:56]

Salvation Invitation

• Cap leads a prayer for listeners ready to accept Christ.

  “Father in heaven, I’m coming home... Wash me clean. Fill me with your Spirit and prosper me in my divine assignment...”
  – Cap Chatfield, [29:05–30:11]

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2. America in Bible Prophecy (Rick Pearson Interview)

[35:30–63:26]

Rick Pearson’s Prophetic Perspective

• Rick claims the United States is described as “the lady” in biblical prophecy—Babylon the Great, as per Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and John:

  “She has 53 biblical descriptions... The United States of America is the only nation in the history of the world to fulfill what the prophets said at the appointed time.”
  – Rick Pearson, [38:29]

• He links America’s current power and global influence with prophecies of a commercial Babylon that rules the world, trades globally, and sits on “seven mountains.”
  • Evidence cited: U.S. ports, GDP, Statue of Liberty, cultural influence, defense spending [51:31–52:51].
• America's support of Israel is highlighted as pivotal; he warns that anti-Semitism and policies against Israel align nations with those whom God judges as "goat nations".

  “If you support Israel, God will support you.”
  – Rick Pearson, [38:57]

• Pearson insists America’s role is not permanent; judgment is promised if she abandons covenant with God.

  “If the nation walks away, then God will judge the nation.”
  – [39:43]

America’s “Josiah Moment” and Judgment

• Drawing from King Josiah’s reforms (2 Kings), Rick says America currently has a window to return to God—a “Josiah moment” of repentance and reform before judgment falls.

  “There’s a remnant inside of her that’s raising up a voice.”
  – [48:46]

• On the shedding of innocent blood (abortion):

  “The number one provocation of judgment is the shedding of innocent blood... The land will be defiled, the blood is crying out for judgment, and God’s hand of mercy is being stayed right now.”
  – Rick Pearson, [56:40]

Unique/Controversial Arguments

• Rejects the traditional view that “Babylon” in Revelation refers to Rome, proposing New York City and the U.S. fulfill all the textual details (ports, population, symbolism).
• Quotes PhDs who were convinced by his research to abandon older interpretations.

  “If the Bible doesn’t say it, neither will we. ... In the middle of New York is a woman... The Statue of Liberty overlooks the waters.”
  – Rick Pearson, [51:06–51:31]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “My Savior is a Jew. Of course I’m going to support His family.”
  – Rick Pearson, [43:21]
• “Jesus Christ did not know [the day]; God the Father will decide. But we have a chance right now for a Josiah moment to push back...”
  – Rick Pearson, [45:39–46:09]
• “He has no other choice. If He wants to use Rick, He’s going to work through an imperfect vessel.”
  – Rick Pearson, [47:10]
• Personal angelic encounter: After tithing a significant portion of his wealth, Rick experienced “revelation knowledge” and heard an audible voice, leading to the launch of his Prophecy USA ministry. – [57:04–59:48]

Salvation Invitation

• Rick leads listeners in a simple prayer for salvation, emphasizing forgiveness, repentance, and surrender.

  “Your salvation is literally on the tip of your tongue if you say, Jesus, forgive me for my sins... In Jesus’ name. Amen.”
  – Rick Pearson, [60:31–61:15]

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | | ------- | ----- | ---------- | | Cap Chatfield testifies to his conversion story | [05:32–14:45] | | Analogy: The Bible as the Greatest Love Story | [09:25–10:45] | | Cap’s shift from business to ministry, and family crisis | [22:00–25:52] | | Social media breakthrough (‘Jesus was my only client’) | [25:52] | | Defining true, biblical prosperity vs. “prosperity gospel” abuses | [26:59–28:56] | | Cap’s prayer of salvation for viewers | [29:05–30:12] | | Rick Pearson: America as “Babylon the Great” in prophecy | [38:18–44:55] | | Support for Israel and the end-times threat | [42:16–44:32] | | Prophetic timeline and the “Josiah moment” | [45:01–47:26] | | Evidence for U.S./New York as Babylon | [51:06–53:24] | | Shedding innocent blood, America’s call to repentance | [56:40–57:04] | | Rick’s angelic encounter and ministry call | [57:04–59:48] | | Rick’s prayer for salvation | [60:31–61:15] |

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Cap Chatfield:

  “There’s only room on the set of your life for one director, and you’re not Him.” ([11:29])
  “When you chase God, the money will chase you.” ([27:06])
  “[On prosperity] The point is to have enough, more than enough, for your assignment and to be a blessing to others.” ([26:00])

• Rick Pearson:

  “He has no other choice. If He wants to use Rick, He’s going to work through an imperfect vessel.” ([47:10])
  “The number one provocation of judgment is the shedding of innocent blood.” ([56:40])
  “My savior is a Jew. Of course I’m going to support His family.” ([43:21])

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Guest Panelists

The Table comprised of host Joni Lamb, April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton, Cap Chatfield (first segment), and Rick Pearson (second segment).

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Conclusion

This episode leans into Real America’s Voice’s mission of “honest views, real news,” as it interrogates major theological, political, and social questions facing American Christians today:

• What does true prosperity mean?
• How should believers relate to money, government, and their calling?
• Is America prophetically significant in biblical end times?
• What does it mean to support Israel, and what is at stake for America spiritually?

Both guests challenge listeners to examine their faith, calling, and nation with urgency, while encouraging practical steps of repentance, generosity, and trust in God’s provision and sovereignty.

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For more information, listeners are encouraged to visit the guests’ websites (capchatfield.com and rickperson.com) and obtain their books for deeper study. Those who prayed the prayer of salvation are offered a free Gospel of John for further growth.

Transcript

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[Cap Chatfield]

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[Rick Pearson]

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[Cap Chatfield]

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[Rick Pearson]

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[Joni Lamb]

for healing, learn more and sign the [e-mail]. We know so many people face or confusion around the topic of prosperity. Is it biblical dangerous or have we just misunderstood it? Well, today's guest says it's not about getting rich. It's about recognizing our true source. And getting that wrong may be costing us more than we know. But before we get to that, joining me around the table is April Simon. Hey, how are you? I'm doing great. Great subject to talk about. Often misunderstood. You're right on that. Yeah, it really is. It really is. Anna Kendall, how are you? I am just wonderful. Just very thankful today. I'm glad. You're wonderful. Yes. Rachel Lamb Brown, how are you?

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

I'm good. You know, this is a really interesting topic. You know, dad, he was such a great businessman. He like steward what the Lord gave him so well. And I always wanna learn how I could do that better.

[Joni Lamb]

Yep, it's true. It's true. Rebecca Lamb Weiss. How are you?

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

I'm super happy to be here.

[Joni Lamb]

Love this topic and the way that

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

this guest is tackling it. I think it's really important for the church to understand.

[Joni Lamb]

Dorothy Newton. Absolutely. I agree with Rebecca. This is going to be a great show. You can't get enough knowledge. Amen. I love that. I love that. Well, he's a digital evangelist, pastor and author. Please welcome Cap Chatfield. Here he comes. All right. Hello.

[Cap Chatfield]

Hello. Good to see you ladies.

[Joni Lamb]

Good to see you. How are you doing?

[Cap Chatfield]

I'm excited.

[Joni Lamb]

Are you ready?

[Cap Chatfield]

I'm fired up.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay. You know, after a life changing encounter with Jesus, God transformed Cap and launched him into a ministry reaching millions online. Well, today he's here to help us understand what the Bible really says about prosperity and his true purpose from his new book, the Power to Prosper. Before we get into your book, tell us a little bit about your personal testimony.

[Cap Chatfield]

So raised in a church Going family, amazing parents. Grew up in a church where in the midst of going through confirmation, for the audience that's not aware of that, it's almost like a Christian bar mitzvah rite of passage, of making your faith your own. I remember telling my reverend, I really want to know if this God is real.

[Joni Lamb]

And you're like, 13.

[Cap Chatfield]

I'm 13.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Cap Chatfield]

And I said, I hold up a Bible and I said, if this book will tell me who he is, I want to read it from COVID to cover. And really what I was asking for, when I said that I was asking for mentorship, I was asking for, like, some sort of encouragement. And he said to me, I don't know if you want to do that.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

Shocking.

[Cap Chatfield]

Like, this is your job, bro. Like, this is. You think that this is, like, you know, ripe fruit for the picking. But that took me on this path of thinking, if this guy, the professional, thinks this book is irrelevant, then I'm definitely not reading this thing.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Cap Chatfield]

And then that began this journey of me being disinterested in the faith to then becoming a full blown atheist, complete party animal in high school, which compounded in college when I went to the University of Miami to study film and also party. And then the last thing that I ever would have expected happened at the University of Miami. And I.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay, go a little slower through this tour.

[Cap Chatfield]

Okay, slow down.

[Joni Lamb]

I love this part. Yeah. Breaks. Okay, so here you are, 13, you just get totally turned off. Then you get to high school, your party, kind of not really thinking about God. Then you go to college because your dad's a lawyer, your mom's educated, and they want you to go to college, but you decide, and your dad actually helps you to go study film.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

In Miami.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. Miami was on this side of the or on the east coast, which is where I was from. So it wasn't super far from home. And it had a good film program, and it was rated number one party school in the country by Playboy magazine.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, no.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. But for me, it was like, oh, yes. So sign up. I go join a fraternity. So it's all compounding. It's like I'm going deeper and deeper into everything that the world has to offer. Chasing after peace. And it, like, you know, like Solomon says in Ecclesiastes, it's like chasing after the wind, trying to grasp the wind.

[Joni Lamb]

You still have this hole?

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah, big time. Huge.

[Joni Lamb]

All right. So then the Lord brought an amazing friend into your life.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yep.

[Joni Lamb]

My friend who was also in film school, right?

[Cap Chatfield]

No, he wasn't. In film school.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay.

[Cap Chatfield]

We were. That's another story. We were in a Latin American democratization class. But that's another story for the moment.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay?

[Cap Chatfield]

And. But he's the only Christian that I met that I actually had a genuine connection with.

[Joni Lamb]

And he was the real deal.

[Cap Chatfield]

He was the real deal, cool guy in business. So I was like, wow, this guy is actually like a Christian who's bringing value to the world. Because I didn't really. That wasn't the connotation that I thought of. But he asked me, he said, what type of movies do you want to make when you finish film school? And I said, I want to make the baddest romance movies ever. And he was like, why? Like, what's your vision there? And I said, I had this theory that if we stopped looking at romances like chick flicks and rom coms, and really understood that true romance would drive a man to do the unthinkable for the woman that he loves, like, and really made it an epic story to tell. I think it would fix how men view their role as husbands in marriages and how women view their role as wives. And then kids are growing up not in broken homes, but whole homes. And I would imagine that have a spillover effect in the culture. And you're probably thinking, that's amazing. I wasn't a Christian like this. I wasn't. I don't know where I got this idea from. But then my friend turned back to me and he said, you would love the Bible.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah, Smart. And then I said, well, what do you mean? He said, well, it's kind of like the fairy tale structure where you have the knight in shining armor that wants to marry this princess so they can inherit a kingdom together. But then the princess gets taken captive by a dragon and put under a curse and then held in a high tower, separated from him forever. So the nine shining armor has to slay the dragon to rescue the princess, to kiss her, to break the curse, so they can live happily ever after and the kingdom together. Right? Right. Jesus is the knight in shining armor.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes. Wow.

[Cap Chatfield]

And the bride of Christ is the princess. And the bride of Christ has been held captive not by a dragon, but by Satan and put under a curse called sin. Not separated in a high tower, but separated in hell forever. From him, From Jesus, our creator. And so Jesus becomes the knight in shining armor, lives the life that you and I could never live 2,000 years ago. Born of a virgin, lives a perfect life, Dies on a cr. Slays the dragon on that cross, raises from the grave by the power of the Holy Spirit and breaks the curse of sin over our lives, not through a kiss, but through a confession of faith so that we can live and rule in his kingdom with him forever.

[Joni Lamb]

And she tells you that, and you're like.

[Cap Chatfield]

I'm like. Like, where do I sign? That's what I want. But I was actually kind of mad because my whole life, I thought it was like this religious rule book that was inaccessible. And he showed me in a single moment, this is the greatest love story that every heart is crying out for.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, my God, that is so good.

[Cap Chatfield]

And so think about what this does for a filmmaker.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, yes.

[Cap Chatfield]

So now I'm in a place where I thought the whole point of my film career was for me to put my own name in lights and walk the red carpet and get a, you know, an Oscar or Golden Globe or whatever. And then after this moment with him, a couple weeks later, I asked him, so how do I get in a relationship with this God? And he said, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God rose him from the dead. Do you want to do that right now? No. I'll let you know if I ever do. But I was in my car on the way to the gym one morning, and the Holy Spirit just tugged on my heart, and he said, dude, give it up. There's only room on the set of your life for one director, and you're not him. It's time to get out of the director's chair and be directed.

[Joni Lamb]

But you didn't know it was the Holy Spirit.

[Cap Chatfield]

I didn't know who. I just knew. It's so funny you say that, because you're right. I didn't have the language, but I knew the voice. And I knew he was calling me.

[Joni Lamb]

I knew it was the voice of God.

[Cap Chatfield]

I knew it was the voice of God.

[Joni Lamb]

Like, these crazy thoughts just don't pop in your head.

[Rick Pearson]

No.

[Cap Chatfield]

And it wasn't scary. It was just like. It was almost like a familiar voice that I had been ignoring my whole life. And he said, give it up. And I said. I literally said out loud, jesus, I don't know who the blank you are, but I got something to tell you. And I just started confessing my sin from that weekend, which took me, like, 30 minutes to do. It was a lot. Long weekend. But I remember I said, I don't know. I don't even know what I'm saying, but I want to give you my life. I want to serve you for the rest of my life. And in that moment, all the shame that I carried would literally just lifted off of me like a backpack of rocks. It just fell off my shoulders. And I went into that car one way. I came out completely different person. The way I describe it is I went into that car not knowing that I was looking at the world in black and white television. And I came out of that car with 4K resolution for the first time.

[Joni Lamb]

So what did you do from there? How did you develop a relationship? Did you get back in church or what?

[Cap Chatfield]

Well, but my friend, the guy who led me to the Lord, I came back to him. I was like, guess what just happened? So I explained what happened in that car and then he started taking me to church. He discipled me. Like this was. What was so special was I went from being a pretty big man on campus, I'm not saying that to glorify my past, but to share with you. I went from being someone well known, well respected party guy, had a business in college, et cetera, to being a pariah overnight. And no one wanted to talk to me. I was this Jesus freak. I want to hang out with that guy. He was like the only freak friend that I had. And he would stay up until 2 o' clock in the morning with me every night. I would just ask him questions like, so what about this? And what about this and blah blah, blah. And he's just sitting there just like, just investing in me, teaching me the word, taking me to church.

[Joni Lamb]

He sounds like an angel almost.

[Cap Chatfield]

He was, yeah, he was like, I was Timothy. He was my Paul. Like I needed that in my life.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

But you had your full circle moment from when you were 13, seeking mentorship and you finally got it there with him.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yes, yes. I never even realized that God always redeemed all. Okay, the other full circle moment, because I didn't mention this and I'll. I'll just have to share it. So the moment I really became an atheist was a little bit after the reverend said that statement. And since then I forgive. I actually sent him an email after I got saved and I was like, bro, like you missed out a really important detail about I was going to burn in hell forever for my sin and Jesus actually wanted to forgive me and he responded and we've kind of worked it out. But anyway. But a few years after that moment when I was going through that confirmation class that planted a seed of doubt which then completely bloomed into this tree of atheism when I saw this documentary by a guy named Bill Maher. He's a, you know. Yeah, He's a talk show host.

[Joni Lamb]

We all know him.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. Honestly, what's cool is I've said this before, but it seems like Bill's on a quest for true truth.

[Joni Lamb]

I think he is.

[Cap Chatfield]

And every quest for truth ends up at capital T. Truth. So I'm excited for. He might not know it, but the Holy Spirit's leading him in a superiority.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, you see, like, the shift.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. But he put out this documentary called Religious.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, I remember that.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. And he was, like, making fun of religion and Christianity, and I watched it, and I remember finishing the documentary, and I literally made the decision in that moment. It was like I created. I know we're talking with audiences that don't necessarily follow the same faith as us, but I made a spiritual altar in that moment of, I am no longer worshiping that God. I'm worshiping the God of self from this day forward. And it was a documentary that did it. And so it's so funny and so ironic. It's like the story of David, where David, we think of David in Sunday school, he kills Goliath with the stone and the sling, but we forget that. A few verses later it says he takes Goliath's sword and cuts off Goliath's head with his own sword. And so it's funny how here I am years later using the same sword that the devil used to try to take me out. Media, filmmaking, content, creation, to now take him out and to bring more people from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light.

[Joni Lamb]

That's great.

[Cap Chatfield]

It's pretty funny.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Isn't that awesome? Was it hard to change your lifestyle because you had been one way for so long?

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah, it changed pretty dramatically. I was literally smoking weed three to five times a day, skipping class to do it. And then I switched up to. I was still skipping class, but instead of smoking, I was binging three to five sermons on YouTube every day. Like, I didn't know what to do. Yeah, it was actually hilarious because I was, like, listening to, like, reformed teaching while also listening to, like, Jesus culture and Bethel music. So it was like, I didn't know the rules of, like, this denomination and that denomination and what they. I was just like, I just need Jesus and I just need the Bible and I just need to worship. I just need. And so I was like, just, like, on, like, a spiritual IV for a couple years.

[Joni Lamb]

You know, you're the perfect case of the scripture that says God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[Cap Chatfield]

Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

And you are diligently seeking. And he has certainly rewarded you.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah, big time.

[Joni Lamb]

When we talk about transition and the transformation and the impact that your friend had on your life, how important that discipleship is in the church today, because I think we're missing such a valuable part of.

[Cap Chatfield]

You're 100% right. So I help pastor a church in Omaha. So this is one of the challenges that we run into, is there's a culture of spectatorship in Christianity. I show up to church, I got my coffee. I'm gonna hold up my card and rate the sermon. Gave it a nine today. Gave it a seven today. But there's not this real life on life investment, which also is an interesting transition, even to the point of this book, because in the culture that we live in, it's really hard to fit our method of ministry from, like, an institution of church into how do we do this every day with people? But you know what you do every day with people? You go to work with people. And so one of the things that I'm asking myself is, how do we, like, make this more organic and how do we equip believers to go and make disciples, especially in the workplace, and be redemptive agents in those places? But it doesn't happen outside of life. On life transfer, being around people and letting them see your life and what it means to be a disciple.

[Joni Lamb]

I love that. We're going to talk more about the Power to Prosper by Cap. Stay right where you are. We'll be right back. Some books deserve to be held, cherished, remembered. This book is more than that. It's a place to meet God. Every verse invites you to slow down, to listen, along with a journal that offers a quiet space for your prayers, your questions, your journey, for moments of stillness, for words that matter. Order your Bible and journal bundle now. All right, we're talking with Cap Chatfield about the power to prosper. Let's talk a little bit about where the Lord led you after you had this encounter. You were discipled, and then he spoke to you about moving to another state.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah, Nebraska. I didn't even know where it was on a map at first. So I finished film school. And so now I have this new relationship with God, which is. That's new. Trying to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, trying to figure out what that looks like in everyday life. And so I finished film school and I'm like, okay, LA, New York, stay in Miami. Which one? God. And he said, omaha, Nebraska. I was like, wait, what? Are you sure? Yeah, I'm going to start Your film career in Omaha, Nebraska. So there was a church plant that I got, I was familiar with. And lo and behold, the pastor was praying for a videographer to come and help tell the stories of what God was doing there.

[Joni Lamb]

That's so cool.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. So it was like a perfect fit. I fell in love with him, his wife, the ministry. And so I just, I. God spoke to me in a dream, actually, which might sound kind of woo woo, but when you look throughout the Bible, it's actually a very consistent method for how God speaks to you.

[Rick Pearson]

That's true.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

We're all about dreams here.

[Cap Chatfield]

Good dreams. I'm all about dreams, too. And he spoke to me in this dream. And more or less the conclusion of the dream was, you can have a career here in Miami, but your calling is in Omaha.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Wow.

[Cap Chatfield]

So which do you want? And I said, I know the answer to that. So I packed my bags and a month later, I drove halfway across the country, started a new life in Omaha. I met my wife there.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Yay.

[Cap Chatfield]

Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. So, but yeah, that's. I started serving in the church there, was doing creative direction. And then my pastor, he gave me a rep at teaching. He said, I see a gift in of teaching on you. And so he gave me the pulpit. We have a systematic reading plan. Like all through the Bible. We were in the book of Leviticus.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, no, that's hard.

[Cap Chatfield]

He gave me Leviticus 13.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Is this when you're passing the batide?

[Cap Chatfield]

The law of leprosy. My first sermon ever was on the law of leprosy.

[Joni Lamb]

I don't even know what I would do.

[Cap Chatfield]

It was actually like, I still have people that reach out to me this day and say that message changed my life. Because. Really? Yeah. I don't know how. God, I prayed like crazy. I was like, lord, I don't know how I'm going to do this.

[Joni Lamb]

Bless the Lord.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. But he showed up and I became addicted to teaching the word. And then he gave me. I didn't burn the church down. So he kept giving me more opportunities and it turned into a real pastoral role. So I have. I say I have two passports. I have a ministry passport and a business passport.

[Joni Lamb]

So when did the social media thing blow up?

[Cap Chatfield]

That blew up in 2023.

[Joni Lamb]

2023. Awesome.

[Cap Chatfield]

Now, talk about super recent. It was all really fast, right?

[Joni Lamb]

The power to prosper.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

What God taught you and why you wrote this book.

[Cap Chatfield]

So in 2022, I was not prospering in 2022.

[Joni Lamb]

And what does the Bible say about prospering? I wish above all things that you

[Cap Chatfield]

would prosper and be in good health just as your soul prospers. But you know what's crazy?

[Joni Lamb]

What?

[Cap Chatfield]

I read the Bible, like, three or four times up until that point. And if you have a belief system, you can read over Scripture and it's just like. It's just a gloss.

[Joni Lamb]

Or if you have a poverty mentality, for sure.

[Cap Chatfield]

Well, think about the Phari. The Pharisees knew the word front and back, but they couldn't recognize the word of God himself standing in front of them. And so for me, it was this. It was definitely a poverty mindset. It was a belief system that God isn't interested in that part of my life. And in order to be able to pay my bills and buy braces for my kids and take my wife on vacation, I'd have to go figure that out on my own.

[Joni Lamb]

Right?

[Cap Chatfield]

And that is literally the definition of chasing after riches, which pierces you with many sorrows. And I was pierced in 2022. My business was completely flipped upside down. We were hemorrhaging cash. I was taking on debt to keep my employees employed. And meanwhile, I'm serving as a lay pastor. I'm tithing off of whatever money comes in our way, even though we're going into debt. I'm praying before meetings. And then in the month of May of that year, my wife texts me and says, I need you to meet me at the er. She had an episode at the gym, which was completely. Never had happened before. And she. Her blood sugar levels were in the 400s.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, wow.

[Cap Chatfield]

And so the doctor said she was prone to go into organ failure at any moment. Come to find out, she had no history of this really before at all. Like, no diabetic history. But she was a type 1 diabetic that day. Four or five other autoimmune diseases they couldn't pinpoint. And then the doctor turns to me and he says, do you have health insurance? And in my mind, I'm thinking, no, because I'm a failing entrepreneur, and I can't. And God's not helping me in this area. So, no, I don't have health insurance, swiping credit cards to pay for bills and insulin and stuff like that. She's doing good now, by the way. But that drove me to this place where I was literally on my face in my office, and I said, God, what gives? Because I was trying to build a business to honor him. But my belief system was, I need my business to be successful, to win the right to do my Ministry. And then God said to me, he said, cap, first of all, I was about to get a nice like earful. He said, cap, first of all, I'm not bought off with a tithe. Second of all, you had Matthew 6:33 backwards. You were seeking first after all of these things, hoping that the kingdom of God would eventually get added unto you. That's not how the verse goes. Seek first the kingdom and his righteousness and all of these things will be added unto you. But your belief system that I don't wanna prosper you in, the assignment that I called you to is actually keeping you double minded and distracting you from the work that I've called you to do. And so I finally, I repented and I said, okay God, like if you wanna be my only client, you're gonna have to prove to me that you pay well. Cause I'm gonna just do this, I'm gonna go after it. And so in 2023, with no income, four months of savings, about 3.5 thousand followers on my social media platforms combined, and a word from God, I turned to my wife and I said, hey babe, we have four months of savings and I think God's telling me to just start creating videos for him on social media. And she was like, that sounds like a fun project, but how are we going to pay our mortgage? How are we going to pay these bills? And I said, I don't know, but I'm tired of trying to figure it out on my own. I'm tired of trying to be my own prosperer and I'm just trying to trust God here. And all I'm asking for is for four months and if it doesn't work, I'll go get a job, I'll go get health insurance, but I'm just asking that you'd have my back for four months. And she turned to me and she said, if anybody can do it, it's you. And so for a four month journey, like it was my full time job and Jesus was my only client, I was just creating three or four videos every single day on social media. Fast forward to the end of the year. My social media platforms grew from 3.5 thousand to 3.5 million in less than 12 months.

[Joni Lamb]

That's crazy.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yes. And then the financial part took care of itself while I was fully aligned with God's calling for my life.

[Joni Lamb]

And all that you had learned in school.

[Cap Chatfield]

I learned the skill in school, but I didn't learn the revelation until I had to. And that's why I wrote the book Because I think there's a lot of people who, out of a fear of lack, they've put their God given assignment on the shelf and they've actually partnered with this belief that the government is a better provider than God. Is that an employer? Is that their family? Is that the church is. When Deuteronomy 8:18, it says, here's the command. Remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the power to get wealth, that he may fulfill the covenant that he made with your forefathers. Not to fulfill a lifestyle. Even though being blessed is great. God's not against it, but that's not the point. The point of prosperity is to have enough, more than enough for your assignment and also more than enough to be a blessing to other people. And until we get that, I'll tell you what I know why the devil is working so hard to make prosperity a curse word. Because if the church did get this, we'd be a dangerous weapon.

[Joni Lamb]

Plus, people say, you know, money is the root of all evil, but it's the love.

[Cap Chatfield]

It's the love of money, the chase of it.

[Joni Lamb]

The chase of it.

[Cap Chatfield]

But what I discovered is, so it says the love of money is the root of all types of evil. And those who chase after riches pierce themselves with many sorrows. But Proverbs 10:22 says that the blessing of God makes a man rich and he adds no sorrow to it. Yes, when you chase God, the money will chase you. If you chase God's purpose with excellence and diligence and character and faithfulness, Jesus said you'll never if God will take care of the sparrows, how much more will he take care of you? And that's what I want people to know is if you chase after God with the callings placed on your life wholeheartedly, you can't not prosper in that assignment.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Why do you think there's so much pushback in the church for this like prosperity message when it's so clear in the word of God?

[Cap Chatfield]

Because people have abused it. People have used it for selfish reasons and people have manipulated and people haven't taught it according to the Word. And then what pastors have done is out of a fear of being labeled as a prosperity preacher, they've avoided the topic altogether. And then the people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge because they don't understand God actually has an account economy that they can tap into and bypass this Babylonian pharaoh economy. And then the mission of God doesn't move forward because Christians aren't sowing, pastors are Then having to go bivocational, they put their families on the altar and the whole thing falls apart.

[Joni Lamb]

Who needs to read the book the power to prosper?

[Cap Chatfield]

Any everybody who uses money day to day?

[Joni Lamb]

That would be everybody.

[Cap Chatfield]

That would be everybody. And here's. I'll leave it with this final point. We're in a season right now where, you know, look at what's going on in the culture. It's so clear that Jesus is coming back. And there's an Antichrist system that's being erected in our midst. And the biggest test for believers or those who will yet become believers is where were your will? Where will your economic allegiance lie? Will you remember that the Lord is your prosper, or will you trust in this system? And I believe God is calling people to believe in him.

[Joni Lamb]

That's so good. Would you take a moment, capture maybe for somebody who's watching and they don't know Jesus, and just lead us in a prayer and we'll repeat after you.

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah. Okay. If you don't know Jesus and you're ready to meet your good shepherd for the first time, repeat this after me. Say, father in heaven, I'm coming home. I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. He came from heaven, was born of a virgin and lived a perfect life that I could never live. I also believe he died a death on a cross for my sins that I deserved. And I also believe he didn't stay dead, but he raised from the grave by the power of the Holy Spirit. Today I put my allegiance in his hands. In his hands I declare that Jesus Christ is my Lord and my Savior. Forgive me of my sins. Wash me clean.

[Joni Lamb]

Wash me clean.

[Cap Chatfield]

Fill me with your spirit and prosper me in my divine assignment to reveal you to the world around me.

[Joni Lamb]

To the world around me.

[Cap Chatfield]

In Jesus name.

[Joni Lamb]

In Jesus name.

[Cap Chatfield]

Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

Amen. And that was the gospel. I mean, that was the whole story. That's right, of the gospel. And I love it so much. And I really encourage you, those that prayed that prayer to get a Bible that you can understand. And if you did pray the prayer, we'll send you the Gospel of John just absolutely free. It's a great place to start in the word of God, but we are out of time. But I want you to remember God is a faithful father who wants to provide for you in every part of your life. And when you choose obedience over fear, you open the door for him to work in ways you could never imagine. And of course, he can use you in such a great way to bless Others as well. If you're watching today and you need prayer or you prayed that prayer, we have amazing prayer partners that are standing by that would love to pray for you. I want to thank Cap for joining us. Will you come back?

[Cap Chatfield]

Yeah, I'd love to. Will you have me back?

[Rick Pearson]

Absolutely.

[Cap Chatfield]

I didn't burn the place down.

[Joni Lamb]

No, you didn't. You didn't.

[Cap Chatfield]

I'd love to.

[Joni Lamb]

And I'd love to have the guy that mentored you come with you.

[Cap Chatfield]

Oh, my gosh, that'd be fun. I'll text him right now.

[Joni Lamb]

That's a great idea. High five in there over that.

[Cap Chatfield]

Boom.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay.

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[Joni Lamb]

Well, to get a copy of his book and know more about his ministry, visit capchatfield.com as always, make sure to follow us on all social media, subscribe to our YouTube channel, and listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. Thank you so much for watching and I'm really excited, excited about those of you that prayed that prayer. It's no accident that you're watching today. God has such a great plan for your life when you connect to the one who created you. I'm really excited about that. We'll see you next time. Bye Bye. For today.

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So could the United States be hidden in Old Testament prophecy? Well, today's guest says yes and he's here to unpack what this means for the future of our nation. But before we get to that joining around the table is the beautiful April Simons.

[Rick Pearson]

Yay.

[Joni Lamb]

I'm so ready. Ready to hear it. Bible prophecy. We always like hearing it. I know. We just kind of sit and listen. We do. And learn. And learn. Yes. And a Kindle. I just agree with everything he says. I'm so glad you've got that bright, beautiful red on. Everybody can adjust their set right now. Thank you. I'm ready for the red. Okay.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Amen, sister. Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

All right, Rachel Ann Brown, how Are you?

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

I'm good. I'm really excited about today's guest. He has a different perspective on Bible prophecy. Maybe one that people haven't heard before. It's, you know, very debated, but I think he's got, you know, some really, really good things to share. And so I'm excited to hear his perspective.

[Joni Lamb]

All right. Dorothy Newton, how are you? Doing good. Doing good. I love this. You do. We learn so much. This table loves you and I love you. Indy Johnston, how are you doing? Hey, I'm doing great. Ready to learn. I'm a student today, so let's get going. All right, let's say this. Well, he's a celebrated prophetic voice and the author of America's Josiah Moment. Please welcome Rick Pearson. Amen. Come on in, Rick. Hello. Hello. Welcome. How are you doing?

[Rick Pearson]

Very good. Thank you so much for having me.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, thank you for being here. America's Josiah Moment. Well, after a powerful angelic encounter, I'll hear about that. Rick Pearson received a sobering revelation about America's future. And today he explains why he believes the United States is a vital part of God's end time. Tell me why you believe in the pre Trib and that there will be a rapture, of course, the rapture of the church, seven year tribulation, the second coming, in that order. Tell us why you believe that.

[Rick Pearson]

Basically because there's eight providential nations in scripture and five have fallen according to John. The angel told John, one was which was Rome and then there were two left. The eighth is the beast system, which we see as the world Economic Forum. But the seventh was a lady. She was a lady in scripture. And the marriage supper of the Lamb cannot begin until that lady in scripture is deposed and the new world order comes in. And we have tons of scripture to back everything.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Okay, so who's the lady?

[Rick Pearson]

The lady we believe is the United States of America. She has 53 biblical descriptions.

[Joni Lamb]

Is that because the Statue of Liberty?

[Rick Pearson]

Partially. Partially.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay.

[Rick Pearson]

That's one of the signs.

[Joni Lamb]

One of the signs.

[Rick Pearson]

But she has 53 biblical descriptions. And the United States of America is the only nation in the history of the world to fulfill what Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel and John said that prophesied. This is what to look for at the appointed time when she appears.

[Joni Lamb]

And what about America's support Israel? Let's talk about that because, you know, anti Semitism is at an all time high right now.

[Rick Pearson]

Well, I believe that America is a covenant nation. She's a providential nation. She has to be providential to fit in. Those categories. And if you support Israel, God will support you. He talks about goat nations and he talks about sheep nations. And at the present time, the US Is a sheep nation.

[Joni Lamb]

Right.

[Rick Pearson]

When you walk in covenant with God from Deuteronomy 28:1 15, he promises you he'll put a covering over you, but you walk away from that covenant. And there's three verses that will provoke judgment for every verse that gives a promise of blessing.

[Joni Lamb]

So if America has leadership that is walking away from God, you're in trouble, we're in trouble, you're in trouble.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

But ultimately that's what you think will happen, right?

[Rick Pearson]

No, I'm praying that the current administration will continue because it says that, you know, this eighth kingdom, this World Economic Forum, it says they will hate the woman, they will hate Babylon the Great, and it says they'll make war with the lamb inside of Babylon and the lamb will overcome because they are called chosen and faithful. In other words, we win right until the end as long as each of us stay in our personal covenant with God. Now, if the nation walks away, then God will judge the nation.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. When you look at the American people and what they stood up and voted for, there was a majority that was wanting to stand for righteousness.

[Rick Pearson]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Would you say that's true?

[Rick Pearson]

Yes, because there's a remnant inside of Babylon. Jeremiah prophesied, and he said, I will fill Babylon with men as with caterpillars, and they will raise up a shout and I will release a destroying wind in Babylon. It'll come forth out of my treasures, and they'll raise up a shout. Not against people, we won't judge people, but against the sin and the abominations that are happening that people are going into. And so people are not our enemy. People are just deceived by the darkness that's entered Babylon. But there's a war going on. And he said that he will send fanners into Babylon and they will fan her. And when a fanner puts his shovel in the ground, he throws up the wheat. And the chaff, the chaff is separated by the wind, the chaff is burnt and the wheat is harvested. So the harvest in Babylon is the rapture of the church.

[Joni Lamb]

And so you're saying America is like Babylon?

[Rick Pearson]

America is latter day Babylon the Great. She's a commercial entity that rises up in the last days, okay? And it says 10 times, this woman that thou sawest, John, is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth. It says it 10 times that she's a city. It doesn't say she's a great religion. It says she's a great city. She's a commercial entity. She has sailors, merchants, shipmasters. She trades with the merchants of the earth and she rules and reigns over the seven mountains of the earth.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, we're seeing that right now.

[Rick Pearson]

We're seeing it right now.

[Joni Lamb]

Absolutely. Wow.

[Rick Pearson]

And she's a nation, Joaning.

[Joni Lamb]

So I want you to address this, if you will, the real hatred towards Israel. And I mean you can just go on the Internet and just. Or social media, right?

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Joni Lamb]

And you just, you see these young people who hate Israel and they're misinformed, you know, and so why is it really important that we continue to stand with Israel? And what about the so called right commentators that have jumped on this replacement theology?

[Rick Pearson]

Because in the last days, the Antichrist beast system will hate two people on the planet. They will hate the Jews and they will hate the Christians. And somebody said to me, why do you support Israel? Why are you as a Christian, support Israel? I said, I worship a Jew. My savior is a Jew. Of course I'm going to support his family.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, that's cool.

[Rick Pearson]

Think about that.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow. Never heard that.

[Rick Pearson]

They're part of our family. Paul said, you're grafted in with your heart. You give your heart to Christ and you're grafted into the vine.

[Joni Lamb]

How dangerous is it though for people that are using their platforms to hurt and tell lies about Israel?

[Rick Pearson]

Well, you get to choose. You be part of the beast system or you be part of the kingdom of God and it's light and darkness. This is not a political, it's not a cultural, it's a spiritual warfare. And when God speaks to Gog and Magog, he doesn't speak to mankind. He speaks to Chief Prince of Magog. He's speaking to a demonic entity when the coming war is going to take place. But I won't get ahead of myself here. But you have to discern in your heart whether you're going to be a friend of Jesus family or not. And they're the bloodline.

[Joni Lamb]

That's good. So looking at scripture, where do you see, first of all, does this surprise you what's going on with the hatred and all? And how close do you think that we're getting to that? I was going to ask the very same question.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

I got it first.

[Joni Lamb]

Thanks for following April.

[Rick Pearson]

I believe that the judgment of America will take place in the Gog Magog war. It says God will send fire on Gog and Magog. And among those who dwell carelessly in the Isles. And there's one nation that dwells carelessly in the latter days. Her name is Babylon the Great. And that word carelessly means she lives like she is, beyond divine judgment. That's what the word carelessly means.

[Joni Lamb]

But the rapture would already have taken place.

[Rick Pearson]

When the judgment comes down, the bride will go up.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay.

[Rick Pearson]

And the judgment 12 times in Scripture is by fire. Eight times in Scripture, it will take one hour. Jeremiah in Jeremiah 50:12 says that when Babylon goes down, she will become the least nations before the Antichrist takes over. She's at the top, right? And in one day she becomes the least.

[Joni Lamb]

But you can see where we were headed that way.

[Rick Pearson]

We were headed that way just a few years ago.

[Joni Lamb]

So you didn't answer all of April's questions. How close are we? And we can't set dates.

[Rick Pearson]

We know that I've said this as a joke many times. Somebody asked me and people ask me that. And so jokingly, I wrote back to this person and I said, you really want to know? Yes. I said, next Thursday at 4:30 between Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy, we're going up. Jesus Christ did not know. God the Father will decide. But we have a chance right now for a Josiah moment to push back. But we know to get the job.

[Joni Lamb]

We know seasons though, right?

[Rick Pearson]

We're in the season, we're in the end of the end times. But the United States of America plays a pivotal role in Bible prophecy.

[Joni Lamb]

So you're saying we have a window and we got to go through that, right?

[Rick Pearson]

We have a window and we have to roll up our sleeves and get the job done. Because inside of Babylon, it says he will make war with the Lamb, the Lamb will overcome because they are called chosen and faithful. That's where the remnant inside of America, the prayers of the remnant have put President Trump in and he's trying to bring the the country back to God. And if we can come back to God, that's your Josiah moment. It's a reprieve.

[Joni Lamb]

And God can use anybody he wants to do that. That may not line up with what we think you know, is the perfect Christian or whatever because he did it all the time in scripture.

[Rick Pearson]

Well, I searched through and I looked at David's adultery and Moses murder. And do you know why God uses imperfect people in the Bible?

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

Because he gets all the glory.

[Rick Pearson]

He has no other choice.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right. That's true.

[Rick Pearson]

He has no other choice. If he wants to use Rick, he's going to work through an imperfect vessel. And nobody knows how imperfect I am. More than me. And you've got to die to your flesh if God's going to use you.

[Joni Lamb]

That's good. You've mentioned the Josiah moment. What is the Josiah moment, specifically?

[Rick Pearson]

When he was the king of Judah and they brought the Torah to him and he read the Torah and he looked at it and he burst out crying. He ripped his clothes. He said, look what we're doing. We're sacrificing our children to baal. We've got Ashtaroth poles all over the nation. This is going to provoke judgment. Look at what. Look what Moses said in Deuteronomy 28. We're doing everything to pull down God's judgment.

[Joni Lamb]

And he didn't realize that until that moment.

[Rick Pearson]

He didn't realize. And he went and just. He took down all the places of Moloch. He took the ashtoreth poles out. And an ashtoreth pole is a pole. It was originated from Nimrod and Semiramis. In ancient Babylon, they carved a pole in the shape of a woman. And then they had priests and prostitutes and sodomites. And you could go and watch the orgies or you could partake. We have 3,500 strip joints in America, and we have live women hanging off them. And the men go and they pay. And our pornography and everything that causes Babylon's judgment is happening right now. But there's a remnant inside of her that's raising up a voice.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

So good, okay, I want to go back to America as Babylon the Great, because I would say the majority of people would disagree with you. So I want to give you the opportunity to share your perspective. What would other people say Babylon the Great is? And why do you say it's not those two?

[Joni Lamb]

You just want to be controversial.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

I just want to.

[Rick Pearson]

This is a perfect question because I brought some diagrams. Most people say Babylon is Rome and it's the Catholic church. That's a 500-year-old tradition taught in seminaries, Bible schools. We've had four PhDs call us. They've vetted our material, and they said what we learned in Bible school and in seminary is wrong. Rick, this is a revelation. We never saw this before in Scripture. So the first thing they do is they say it's Rome. Now, Babylon is a rich cultural city. She has merchants. She trades with the merchants of the earth. She's the head nation. She's the most powerful before she goes down and the beast system hates her. So you take a look at Rome, and Rome has 4.2 million people living in it. Her GDP is 163 billion. She's located 15 miles inland and the nearest port is 45 miles away. There's no sailors, there's no ship masters. She's not trading the 27 products. She's not represented as a woman. And so how do you get. Well, 500 years ago when the Catholic Church was persecuting, it made all kinds of sense. But not today because the vision has waited for its appointed time. And then other people are saying, well, they're going to rebuild Babylon. The Antichrist is going to rebuild Babylon on the Euphrates River. It doesn't say that Babylon is built by the Antichrist. He destroys Babylon. So you look at, on the Euphrates river, it's a desert right now and Babylon's 550 miles from the coast. So now let's look at all the. Let's look at the Bible, our protocols. If the Bible doesn't say it, neither will we. Let's take a look at America. Let's take a look at New York city. She's got six world class ports. Her GDP is 2.2 trillion. She has a population of 18 million. And in the middle of New York is a woman who's supposed to be sitting on the seven mountains of the Earth. The Statue of Liberty overlooks the waters, and Revelation says the waters are nations, tongues, peoples and languages. And she's overlooking all the ports and all the sailors at Babylon. New York.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Rick Pearson]

But now we can even go further than that, because Babylon, according to Jeremiah 50:12, is a nation. Let's look at the nation. It's not just a city, it's a nation of cities. And the United States has 12,000 miles of coastline. She has 35% of the world's seaports. She has 38% of the world's GDP. $38 trillion a year. She's 5% of the world's population, consumes 35% of the world's GDP.

[Joni Lamb]

Hmm. And that's only growing right now.

[Rick Pearson]

And it's growing through President Trump. Why? Because he's trying to bring her back into covenant. And God's blessing, Babylon, God's blessing, He's saying, come out of her, my people. He even says in Revelation 18:2, come out of her, my people. Be not partaker of her sins, nor of her plagues. And now here's some things that really will blow you away. The woman sits on the seven mountains of the earth. USA spends $1 trillion a year on defense. That's more than the eight other nations combined.

[Joni Lamb]

Hmm.

[Rick Pearson]

She has 740 military facilities in 80 nations on every contin.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Rick Pearson]

She rules and reigns over the kings of the earth, exactly like the prophet said she would. Now, in June 12, 2025, America went in and surgically removed three nuclear facilities. The operation was called Midnight Operation hammer. Jeremiah in 5023 says, Babylon will become the hammer of the whole earth. 620 years ago. 620 years before Christ.

[Joni Lamb]

She's the hammer again.

[Rick Pearson]

Jeremiah called it out. She's the hammer of the whole earth. Folks, we are sitting in a latter day nation. This is exciting. This is the end times. This is what it's supposed to. This book's alive.

[Joni Lamb]

Amen.

[Rick Pearson]

If you'll just read it.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes.

[Rick Pearson]

You know, I can go on for hours, so I'll let you ask a question.

[Joni Lamb]

What kind of Jehu shout is President Trump's administration raising up in this hour?

[Rick Pearson]

A Jehu shout. Let's look at Jehu. It was in 2nd Kings 9, 10. Jehu was raised up to take Babylon and clean the nation of BAAL worship.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. So at that point, that was where Jezebel and Ahab were ruling over Israel.

[Rick Pearson]

And Ahab had been killed. Jezebel was left and his son Joram and Ahazi were the two kings over Judah and Israel. So Elisha goes and he anoints some guy that's not even politically correct. He's in the army. He's rough. He's rough and so he rides like a wild man. He's totally unorthodox.

[Joni Lamb]

Think about the Bible. Talks about how he drove a chariot.

[Rick Pearson]

He says, throw Jezebel out from there. And he throws her from the balcony. And then he runs over with the chariot. Then he says, by the way, where are Ahab's and Jezebel's sons and grandsons? They're scattered all over in the different cities. He said, I'm gonna come and attack those cities unless you guys send me their heads. They cut off the heads of all the grandchildren of Ahab and they brought them in a basket to Jehu. I mean, this guy was. He was radical. Then he took Ahazai's group that was following King Ahazi. He killed Ahazi and Joram, killed both of them. Then he killed 42 of Ahazi's servants. But this is the big thing. He said, every BAAL worshiper in the nation, we're going to have the biggest BAAL conference you ever saw. And he called everybody in from Israel and Judah, bring them all in. They were all excited. They brought their books. They're going to have a big Prophecy conference. And so there they are. And then he says, now anyone in this meeting that does not worship baal, get them out. Get them out.

[Joni Lamb]

You think some left?

[Rick Pearson]

I would imagine. And then they came to him and said, hey, we've had a great conference, but where are the children we're going to sacrifice? Where's the blood? Oh, we're not going to sacrifice children's blood today. We're going to sacrifice your blood. And they killed every one of them. This is what God's opinion is of the sacrificing of innocent blood. There is a moment of grace and mercy. He wishes above all things that no one perish.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, because I was going to say, people are saying, well, how can you justify killing all those people? Because of the sin that was going on, the sacrifices of children and babies that was taken, the worship of BAAL and all these other idols that were set up in the city.

[Rick Pearson]

The number one provocation of judgment is the shedding of innocent blood. And it says, if you shed the innocent blood of man, by man shall your blood be shed. And this is the thing that will defile the nation. And we've sacrificed 65 million children. It says the land will be defiled, the blood is crying out for judgment, and God's hand of mercy is being stayed right now.

[Panel Guests (April Simon, Anna Kendall, Rachel Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Dorothy Newton)]

You had an encounter with God that changed.

[Rick Pearson]

I learned it flat on my back, shaking like a leaf when I was 32 years old.

[Joni Lamb]

We want to hear about that.

[Rick Pearson]

Okay. When I was 18, I made a vow. And I said, lord, if you're real, I'll give you my life. And the door blew open. A wind come in the room. I fell on the floor and I started speaking in another language. Now I'm a Baptist from cessation theology. I thought, what is going on? And I said, lord, please, I don't know what's going on, but stop the wind. The wind left. And within a year or two, I enrolled at oru. Then after I graduated, they called me, would you like to be a regent? I said, sure. I went down there. I realized I hadn't been tithing. I took 10% of my net worth and I gave it to medical missions. And at that point, I went into what the Bible calls revelation knowledge for seven days. And God was downloading the things that you see today happening. He told me was coming, and I could barely handle it. On the seventh night of the seventh day, an audible voice woke me up. An angel came in the room. I thought thoughts, and the voice spoke to me. And the angel reached down My throat touched me four times, and once in the palm of each of my hands. I was weeping. I was scared. I said, please don't call me. Please. I don't know. I don't understand any of this. I didn't have the biblical foundation. And so anyway, because of my respect and admiration for Oral Roberts and his calling, I called the school and I said, could Oral Roberts lay his hands on me? Because I got some serious problems here. And I was willing to be put in the mental ward if they thought I needed it. And Oral laid his hands on me, and I was crying, and Oral started laughing. And I looked at him and I thought, I come down here for ministry.

[Joni Lamb]

You're laughing at me.

[Rick Pearson]

Come on, man. I mean, I'm in bad shape. And he says, no, no, no, Rick, God has spoken to you, son. Don't be afraid. Now. I didn't tell him what I saw coming. And he said, God has spoken to you, Rick. And I said, I'm afraid I'm going to lose my mind. And he said, you get on this board, we'll put a covering. You're not going to lose your mind. And for 21 years, I served on the board. And now six years ago, we started this TV show, Prophecy USA. And now the word that was given to me when I was 32, that's almost 40 years now. And I've studied it, I've read, I've prayed. I've got it in me, and now I'm releasing it. It's nothing short of a miracle.

[Cap Chatfield]

Amen.

[Rick Pearson]

So the word is going out. People are writing us, and they're saying, I see it, I see it, I see it. We're near the end.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, Rick, would you take a moment? There are some that are watching right now. You really don't have a personal relationship with Jesus, and you just stop to listen. You're like, this is. These people are kind of weird. I don't know, but I want to listen to what they're saying. But it is your moment that really the Lord is calling out, and your heart has actually been open to the things of the Lord. You've been kind of waiting, and now is the time. And would you just lead us in a prayer? We'll repeat after you. And just look at the camera and do that, if you would.

[Rick Pearson]

Your salvation is literally on the tip of your tongue if you say, jesus, forgive me for my sins. You know, maybe even you've been guilty of shedding innocent blood. Two thousand years ago, innocent blood was shed for you. No matter what sin you've committed. If you say, jesus, come into my heart. Please forgive me for my sins. He will do that. And he will cleanse you as white as snow. So just pray. Dear Jesus, please come into my heart.

[Joni Lamb]

Please come into my heart.

[Rick Pearson]

Forgive me for my sins.

[Joni Lamb]

Forgive me for my sins.

[Cap Chatfield]

Lead me.

[Joni Lamb]

Lead me.

[Rick Pearson]

Guide me. Direct me.

[Joni Lamb]

Direct me.

[Rick Pearson]

For the rest of my life.

[Joni Lamb]

For the rest of my life.

[Rick Pearson]

I'm in your hands now.

[Joni Lamb]

I'm in your hands now.

[Rick Pearson]

In Jesus name.

[Joni Lamb]

In Jesus name.

[Rick Pearson]

Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

Amen. Well, that was just for you. You know who you are, and everything's about to change. And God's going to open some doors in the near future that only he can open. He's going to close some other doors. He's going to bring some other relationships into your life. There's somebody watching that you're in a relationship you know you should not be in. Like, it's so clear. Like, it is clear that this is not good for you. And I feel like the Lord is saying, just be obedient and don't allow that person in your life and trust God because he's got something so much better for you. Okay, so you know who you are. Well, we are out of time, but I want you to remember that even in these last days, you don't have to fear the future. God has already made a way for you through Jesus to forgive your sin, set you free, and give you new life. If you haven't accepted that free gift of salvation, today's the day. If you did pray that prayer, which I'm so thrilled for, so many of you that did, there's a number on the screen. I'd love for you to call the number and just pray with one of our prayer partners or just tell them, hey, I prayed the prayer and Joni said that you would send me the Gospel of John. It's a great place to start in the Word of God. You need to get a Bible that you can understand, but we'll send that to you. It's our gift absolutely free. And we just want to be a blessing to you. I want to thank Rick Pearson for joining us. Be sure you pick up a copy of his book America's Josiah Moment. And for more, you can visit him [e-mail] even though he didn't tell us how close we are to the Rapture. Okay. As always, make sure to follow us on all social media, subscribe to our YouTube channel, and listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. Thank you. So much for watching. Those of you that prayed that prayer, I'm so excited for what God has for you in the days ahead. Just trust him. And there's just something about surrendering toll totally and wholly to him that will change your life forever. And I'm really excited about that. Thank you, ladies. Thank you, Rick.

[Rick Pearson]

Thank you so much.

[Joni Lamb]

And we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye for today.