JONI TABLE TALK - NOVEMBER 2ND, 2025

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Joni Table Talk – November 2nd, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Joni Lamb, with Table Guests
Episode Theme: Stories of Redemption, Overcoming Shame, the Power of Testimony, and Standing Strong in Faith
Main Guests: Joshua Broome (former porn star turned pastor/author), Phil Driscoll & Darlene Bishop Driscoll (musician and ministers)

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Episode Overview

This deeply personal and faith-driven episode of Joni Table Talk centers around two powerful segments:

1. Joshua Broome’s Testimony (from porn star to preacher)
2. Phil Driscoll & Darlene Bishop Driscoll’s Journeys (overcoming illness and finding purpose through faith)

The hosts and their guests candidly confront taboo subjects in Christian circles, highlight freedom in vulnerability, and encourage listeners to trust in God’s redemptive power—no one is too far gone.

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Segment 1: Joshua Broome’s Story – From Darkness to Redemption

[01:09–27:00]

Introduction & Table Reflections

• The table of co-hosts stresses the importance of sharing real, sometimes “messy” testimonies.
• Joni Lamb: “We tell some incredible stories... but I just think it’s so courageous and brave for some people to be able to come and tell their story.” [01:47]
• Hope: “The enemy allows us to feel shame, and shame keeps people stuck in the dark...when we walk in the light, we have fellowship with God.” [02:54]

Joshua’s Early Life and Wounds

• Born in a small South Carolina town to a 15-year-old mother and mostly absentee father.
• Joshua battled feelings of not being “chosen,” leading to perfectionism in sports and school:
  “I just wanted to hear my dad say, ‘I’m proud of you.’” [06:36]
• Despite outward success, he felt a constant emotional void:
  “My story is somewhat different...I was never abused in any way...no reason for me to say yes to what I said yes to.” [09:27]

Descent Into the Adult Industry

• Recruited by a “headhunter” for the porn industry by chance at a club.
• Initially shocked, but eventually agreed; quickly lost mainstream modeling/acting opportunities.
• Joshua: “When you don’t count the cost for something...it cost you more than you were willing to pay.” [11:12]
• His mother’s reaction: “You’re so much better than that.” [14:20]

Life at Rock Bottom

• Joshua doubled down on his new career, eventually starring in over 1,000 pornographic films.
• Sought validation through fame, achievement, and wealth, but found only emptiness.
• “God loved me so much that He gave me everything I thought would fix my life so I would know that it wouldn’t.” [15:25]
• Hit a breaking point after winning the industry’s top award; depression and suicidal ideation followed.
  • “When the thing that I thought would fix me didn’t, the anxiety was amplified, the...depression was deepened. And I thought, what’s the point?” [16:15]

A Turning Point

• Overwhelmed, he attempted to take his own life. A banking clerk unexpectedly showed him compassion:
  • “She came around the counter and put her arm on my shoulder and said, ‘Joshua, how can I help you?’ She called me by my name, which I had not heard in 18 months.” [19:01]
• This moment of grace marked the start of his recovery.

Redemption & New Life

• Moved back to South Carolina, built a new life as a fitness trainer but remained unfulfilled.
• Met his eventual wife, Hope. Upon disclosing his past before their first run together, she responded:
  • “I need you to know that you are not defined by the worst thing you’ve ever done, and you won’t be defined by the best thing you’ll ever do because you are not the author of you. God is. Do you know Him?” – Hope [20:42]
• Hope led him to church, where a message from 2 Samuel and Hebrews 12:2 broke through his shame. There he accepted Jesus:
  • “I fell on my face right then and there... God showed me pictures of him saving my life.” [22:54]
• Married Hope; together, they have four sons. The birth of his first son was another spiritual milestone:
  • “As much love as you have in your heart for him right now, I love you more than that.” – Joshua, recalling God’s voice at his son’s birth [25:17]
• Joshua’s book: Seven Lies That Will Ruin Your Life.

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Segment 2: Faith Under Fire – Phil Driscoll & Darlene Bishop Driscoll

[30:00–57:59]

Embracing Test & Testimony

• The Table welcomes Phil and Darlene, emphasizing the power of shared struggles and overcoming adversity:
  “We overcome by the word of our testimony...” – Rachel Ann Brown [31:07]

Darlene’s Battle with Illness & Divine Healing

• Darlene shares her diagnosis of breast cancer in 1986, following her sisters’ deaths from the disease.
• Initially paralyzed by fear, her son’s faith and a remembered prophecy reinvigorated her belief.
  • “Get out your little black book... I’m going to show you the God that I’ve been preaching about.” [35:05]
• Despite persistent symptoms, continued preaching and worshiping.
• Experienced a divine voice:
  “Because you’ve continued in the Word, as of this day you’re healed. Go proclaim it.” – God to Darlene [37:56]
• Within days, all physical signs of illness vanished.
  • “Faith has to be tested before it can be trusted.” – Darlene [38:18]

Phil Driscoll’s Musical & Spiritual Journey

• Grew up in church, famed as a musician, but drifted into the secular music world (“loved funk”; church shunned his style).
• Became entangled in drugs and crime, even setting up a “synthetic cocaine laboratory.”
• Unexpectedly encountered God’s presence at a church service, marking the start of a profound transformation:
  “They were having more fun than people in nightclubs... I began to feel the presence of the Lord.” [43:07]
• After a prophesied warning, was arrested but, miraculously, was acquitted:
  “Three were killed and one was acquitted. I was the one that was acquitted on a technicality.” [44:39]
• Credits the love and support of his father for helping to “break” him open to God’s love:
  “If you have a son or daughter and they’re hellraisers... Love them, love them... The love of God is the greatest force that will change.” [47:52]

The Ministry of Worship Music

• Phil reflects on the history and power of Christian music, emphasizing direct worship (“man-to-God music”) as most transformative: “The most powerful is man-to-God music… if I look at her and say, ‘Darlene, I love you,’ there’s something different... When we worship, it’s Abba, Father.” [52:53]
• Joni recounts Phil playing at her husband’s funeral and the breathtaking effect of his music on all in attendance.
• The role of music:
  “Music timestamps us... every time you hear the song, you go back to that because it timestamps you.” – Phil [49:04]

Closing Encouragements & Calls to Faith

• Phil and Darlene pray for listeners’ salvation and healing, leading a heartfelt invitation to accept Jesus:
  “You might be somebody that’s the most famous, you might be a billionaire... it doesn’t mean anything in the real life, which is not here.” – Phil [53:59]
  • “Father, in the name of Jesus...” [54:46]
• Joni closes by reminding viewers that “no one is too far gone,” encouraging calls for prayer and offering the Book of John.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Joshua Broome:

• “Either your past can own you, or you can own it. And the way you own it, you put it at the foot of the cross.” [05:01]
• “When we don’t call things what they are, we are easily manipulated.” [11:43]
• “You are not defined by the worst thing you’ve ever done… you are not the author of you. God is.” – Hope, as quoted by Joshua [20:42]

Darlene Bishop Driscoll:

• “Faith has to be tested before it can be trusted.” [38:18]
• “Because you’ve continued in the Word, as of this day, you’re healed. Go proclaim it.” [37:56]

Phil Driscoll:

• “Music timestamps us… once I go live, once I go live, it’s harder to go back because it’s in the now. It’s a big deal. Faith is in the now.” [49:04]
• On worship: “When we worship the Lord, we don’t call Him in the third person. Lord, it’s Abba, Father…that trumps everything.” [53:27]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Joshua Broome’s Redemption Story: [01:09–27:00]

  • Early Life & Fatherlessness: [05:25–07:54]
  • Entry into Porn Industry: [09:07–12:31]
  • Rock Bottom/Suicide Attempt: [16:15–19:09]
  • Finding Faith & Hope: [20:28–27:00]

• Phil & Darlene Driscoll’s Segment: [30:00–57:59]

  • Darlene’s Cancer Testimony: [32:39–38:19]
  • Phil’s Journey from World to Witness: [39:34–46:05]
  • Music & Ministry Reflections: [48:22–53:27]
  • Prayer & Invitation: [53:28–55:49]

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Tone & Takeaways

• Encouraging, transparent, vulnerable, yet grounded in faith, hope, and the promise of redemption.
• No matter the depth of failure or pain, restoration and freedom are available through God.
• The candid discussion about pornography, trauma, shame, and spiritual warfare sets this episode apart—offering a safe, honest space for listeners struggling with hidden battles.

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“No one is too far gone... God stands ready to do exceedingly, abundantly, more than we could ever hope, dream, or imagine.” – Joni Lamb [25:47], summarizing the heart of the episode.

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Transcript

[Joni Lamb]

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[Jim]

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[Sarah]

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[Jim]

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[Sarah]

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[Jim]

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[Joni Lamb]

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[Jim]

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[Joni Lamb]

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[Jim]

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[Joshua Broome]

Content warning. This segment includes discussions of sensitive topics like abuse and adult material. Viewer discretion.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, in a world growing darker by the day, many people believe that they're beyond hope. Well, today's guest shares his powerful journey of redemption after six years in the porn industry. And he will remind us why no one is too far gone from God's grace. But before we get to that, joining me around the table is April Simons. And. And people are shocked now, but it's going to be a great story. It's going to be great. And I love how you cover everything here. You don't just cover it, but you give hope, and that's what it's all about. And, you know, I love what you said. Anybody, Jesus is not far from anybody. He's only just a prayer away. That's right.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

Dorothy Newton. We tell some incredible stories on the table, but I just think it's so courageous and brave for some people to be able to come and tell their story that maybe would tell their story.

[Dorothy Newton]

You know what? We all have a story. We all have a story. And if you want to hear great testimonies, if you want to hear the real of the real, this is the place to be, right here at this table.

[Joni Lamb]

Because you're sitting right here with me. Yes, absolutely.

[Dorothy Newton]

Because you know what? This is how we show God's redeeming love.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right. I love that. Rachel Ann Brown, how are you?

[Rachel Ann Brown]

I'm good. And you know, the Bible says that we overcome by the word of our testament.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

And so, yeah, I love that there's so much freedom from what the guest is gonna share today. No matter what people are walking through on their journeys, there's gonna be something that they can relate to and glean from and understand that there is freedom in their vulnerability and transparency.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right. Rebecca Lamb Weiss. You know, there are people watching today that are gonna be struggling with some of the stuff we're gonna talk about today. And I think it's important to shine the light of truth on it. Sometimes the church don't wanna talk about some of those things. But we will talk about it here on the table.

[Hope]

I commend you for talking about this. Cause this is a really big struggle for so many people. And I think that if you. The enemy allows us to feel shame, and shame keeps people stuck in the dark. And what I love about shining the light is I think people are, like, scared of that light. But it actually says in First John that when we walk in the light, we have fellowship with God. And so he's there in the light wanting to commune with us. And so it's not a shameful place. It's a place of forgiveness and acceptance and restoration.

[Joni Lamb]

That's good. Cindy Murdock. Hey. Welcome to the table. Thank you. It's so good to be back, Cindy. Now, a lot of people don't know that Cindy has moved to North Carolina. Yeah. We're in Texas, by the way, if you didn't know. She's gone closer to the grandkids.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

But of course you'll be coming back to do table talks. Yes. Which I love. I'm so excited. So we're so glad you're here today. Thank you. It's so good to be here. And I miss you when I'm not here. Just know that I do. She has to say that or she'll be in trouble. You know, I wanted to say too, is that we, for years, we read through the scriptures and we hear the good, bad and ugly people in the Bible. But somehow we still, you know, love reading how God redeemed them. And so we're just gonna hear another story. It just wasn't in the Bible. But great story. Yeah, for sure. Well, he's a former porn star turned pastor who's here to share insights from his book, Seven Lies that Will Ruin youn Life. Please welcome Joshua Broom.

[Sarah]

Yay.

[Joni Lamb]

Come on in. Joshua. Joshua. Joshua. You have the best smile.

[Sarah]

Oh, thank.

[Joni Lamb]

I just wanna say you have the greatest smile. Well, Joshua Broome rose to fame and fortune in the adult film industry. But behind the scenes, he was drowning in despair. After hitting rock bottom, he cried out to Jesus and Jesus answered. He joins us today to share his incredible story and testimony. Of course. You written the book. What my journey from porn star to preacher taught me about the truth that sets us free. Seven lies that will ruin your life. Thank you for being here today.

[Joshua Broome]

So glad to be here.

[Joni Lamb]

You know, you don't have any residue of life on you.

[Joshua Broome]

I mean, a lot of people talk about. Well, how do you navigate through talking about your past and things like that? It's like, well, at the end of the day, either your past can own you or you can own it. And the way you own it, you put it at the foot of the cross.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right. That's right. Well, we're going to talk about that. But let's go back to the beginning. Your beginning.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

Talk about being born. Yes. In the beginning. When Joshua was born.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. So I grew up in a small town in South Carolina, and my mom was 15 when she had me. My dad was around the same age. And just being that young, you know, it presents its challenges in itself. But being in a small town, you know, it only takes one person to know one thing about your life for everybody to know everything about your life. And just fatherlessness in, you know, in our country is somewhat of a normative. But it certainly wasn't a normal thing where I grew up. And it being so small that, you know, one gas station, one grocery store, you know, so I would. I would see my dad, and he was, you know, he was in my town and often in my presence, but never in my life.

[Joni Lamb]

That was hard for you to understand growing up?

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. I mean, you think attachment theory is something that I talk about a lot. It's just really the way that we develop our understanding of emotions. And as a child, what doesn't make sense to you, you have to make sense of somehow. And the way I made sense of it was, well, if he doesn't want to be in my life, it must be my fault. And the way that I would fix the problem. If I was the problem, maybe I could be the solution.

[Joni Lamb]

By being a high achiever.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

In sports. And you did everything and you were very, very successful, right?

[Joshua Broome]

Yes. I mean, good at academics, good at sports. Started modeling when I was like, 12, 13 years old and doing all this stuff. But really, at the end of the day, I just wanted to. Man, I just wanted to hear my dad say, I'm proud of you.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

Did you ever try to connect with him since y' all were in the same town?

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, I mean, I think there was, I think, just the way that, like, shame compound over time. I think that there was a few times where we tried to connect, but at the same time, he got married when he was, like, 17, 18, so, like, right out of high school. So he's in the process of navigating through, you know, marriage, kids, all this stuff. A whole new family, a whole New family. So I never thought it was this like, you know, him being like this like super bad person. I just felt like I wasn't chosen. And then the choice to not choose me, it was evident to me on a daily basis. But I don't want to speak for him, but I just know it was complicated where it should have been simple, but it was complicated. So I think we did see each other from time to time. There was a few times early on where he tried and then life kind of took its course and then all of a sudden, you know, it had been a long time.

[Hope]

Do you think seeking out modeling and acting and kind of fame was to.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

Fill that void that he left?

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, I mean, I think so, but I think in a, in a really strange way where, you know, like God exists outside of time and even our perspective. So I think that, I mean, like modeling and acting is something that I loved and just like being creative and telling stories and even communicating like something I love. But I do think that like a good God given gift or talent, like misappropriated or misunderstood or even pointed in the wrong direction because we're in Texas and if I'm five degrees off and I'm heading to California, I'll end up in Canada. So I think it was a God given desire to tell stories and be creative in that way. But I do think that my desire to be successful was to mitigate that deficit in some way.

[Joni Lamb]

So you ended up moving to Los Angeles and ended up getting a really good agent to represent you. You were doing some modeling, some doors were opening up and you were, you know, on that preface, if you will, to do what you kind of had dreamed of doing. But now God was really not in the picture at that point.

[Joshua Broome]

Right? Yeah. I didn't have a biblical foundation. I had a grandmother that loved the Lord and, you know, drugged me to church every time I was around her.

[Joni Lamb]

And was praying for you, like for years you didn't even know she was praying for you.

[Hope]

I love the praying grandma.

[Joni Lamb]

They're the you praying grandmas. We love you. For sure, for sure. Absolutely holding us together.

[Joshua Broome]

But yeah, I get out to la, but yeah, I mean, I had started modeling and acting when I was around 13, 14. I'd done fashion Week, like all over the world. I'd had a lot of success modeling and not quite as much acting, but I mean, I was a somewhat normal person, you know, in this world. And I would say, like, my story is somewhat different in that there was an element of brokenness, like in like it Was almost like self induced or self magnified in a way where I was never abused in any way. My mom, incredible. Like, sure, I didn't have as much as the person to my left or my right. I didn't have a dad. But there was no reason for me to say yes to what I said yes to. Cause like, to your point, I had a nice home, I had great management. I had. Everything was moving in the right direction.

[Joni Lamb]

So what happened?

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, so I was at a club and a girl came up to me and she was a headhunter for the porn industry. Meaning that she went out looking for attractive guys. Guys and girls are out and about.

[Joni Lamb]

Which you didn't know that at the time.

[Joshua Broome]

No, I had had no clue. I. But actually, you know, like, because the way that pornography teaches you, like when you consume it, like it teaches you to. Instead of loving things or, or loving people and using things, it teaches you to. To use people and love things. It teaches you to commodify people. And for me, like, when she asked me like, hey, would you be interested in doing porn? It was like, you know, would you want to go to outer space? Like, I just like, couldn't wrap my head around it because it was, to a certain extent, it was fictitious. It was something that I saw and I watched, but I didn't see those people to be real. And I certainly didn't think that industry to be something that you could be a part of.

[Joni Lamb]

So you thought no at first.

[Joshua Broome]

Well, I thought no. And my mom would like jump out of a bush and like karate chop me in the throat, you know? But yeah, I was like, it's a terrible idea, but maybe I'll check it out. And I think more often than not, I mean, we all can say this to a certain extent. It's like when you don't count the cost for something that you said yes to, it cost you more than you were willing to pay.

[Joni Lamb]

And she's like, I want. If you'll just talk to.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, talk to my agent and I have a conversation with that agent.

[Joni Lamb]

He's a producer.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

Does movies.

[Joshua Broome]

Well, he wasn't like. It was. I think that's why words matter so much. Because when we don't call things what they are, we are easily manipulated.

[Joni Lamb]

Right, Very true.

[Joshua Broome]

And obviously I love that you were saying pornography because I think there's nothing wrong in itself of saying adult entertainment industry or adult film industry, but at the same time, it does paint the picture of. Is this something that is for adults when you're 18, is this something that you should have access to. I would say no. But when we call it pornography, it's like, that's a word that comes from the Greek New Testament. Like, porneia is a word in the Greek New Testament that we get our understanding of what sexual morality is. But, I mean, no. I mean, I didn't think that it was a good idea. And then I say yes to it, and, you know, it blows up my life.

[Joni Lamb]

So you did that first film.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

How did you feel after?

[Sarah]

Terrible.

[Joshua Broome]

I mean, you know, like, it's. It's. You know, I shared this before where it was like, you know, I get this, like, little $500 check, and then I feel disgusting afterwards. And then afterwards I'm taking a shower. And that movie, Redeeming Love, I think this. It paints such a clear picture of someone who is you. Like, sexual immorality. Like, the Bible tells us that it's sin against our own body.

[Joni Lamb]

My favorite book, by the way, Redeeming Love by Francine Rivers, is a classic written about in the 1800s, but from the story of Hosea. In the Bible, they did a movie, and you're right, she's a prostitute. She's trying to wipe herself clean.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. And it's literally. There's a scene where. So she had been, you know, rescued out of the life that she was living. But I think there's times in our life where chaos is the only thing that we've known. So we crave cha to find comfort, even though it's not comfort, it's just familiar. And she goes back to that, and she's wrestling with that. And she finds herself in this river after doing something she said she would never do again. And she's in the river, and she's scrubbing her skin with a rock. And what she's trying to get off her skin is not on the surface. It's in her soul. And that's what I felt.

[Joni Lamb]

And you did, like, what, how many years? I mean, once you kind of became immersed in it, it just. Yeah.

[Joshua Broome]

Cause, well, I mean, the practicality is it blew up my life, you know? Like, I mean, this is 2006 at the time, so different world. So my management was like, hey, I got wind that you did a porn film. It's like, I think the world of you, but we can't represent you anymore.

[Joni Lamb]

So he dropped you?

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. And so I get dropped from my representation, and then my mom finds out, and, you know, I hurt the only person that had truly never hurt me.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

What did she say?

[Joshua Broome]

You're so Much better than that.

[Phil Driscoll]

Yeah.

[Dorothy Newton]

So when you say your world blew up, is it, do you mean financially it blew up?

[Joshua Broome]

No, I mean, I would just say like, well, you know, as a 22 year old, my plan, A, B, C, D, E, you know, the Z was to model and act and to be creative in that space. And I thought that, well, I had lost the license to do the only thing I wanted to do and the only thing that made sense to me, which makes no sense, like the thing that caused the chaos in your life, continue to do it. But I thought, well, that was my only legitimate path forward, like, this is the only thing I could do. And I felt like not only that I made a bad decision, that I was a bad person. And that's why your identity will follow your belief and vice versa. It was no longer that I thought I made a bad decision. I thought, well, I am a bad person, so what does it matter? Of course, everything that I'm going to do is going to follow suit. So I thought, well, why not double down? Why not just continue doing it and I'll be the best and I'll win the most awards and I'll make the most money.

[Joni Lamb]

And you did all that.

[Joshua Broome]

And I did, I think in an interesting way, loved me so much that he gave me everything that I thought would fix my life so I would know that it wouldn't.

[Joni Lamb]

And so after seven years, almost seven years, thousand films, you, you just, you said, I can't do this anymore.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, I mean, there was this day where I, I, well, in 2012, I had won perform of the year, which is like the highest award that you can win as a guy. And it's like, you know, big thing like on Showtime or whatever. But it's like I thought, you know, after being nominated four years in a row, if I won that award, like it would justify something, like I would be chosen, I would be the best. And I thought that that would be the thing that made the feelings of, you know, I'm inadequate go away. And when the thing that I thought would fix me didn't, the anxiety was amplified, the, you know, the depression was deepened. And I thought, well, what's the point?

[Joni Lamb]

And you tried to take your life.

[Joshua Broome]

I did. And.

[Joni Lamb]

And how many porn stars have taken their life?

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. So as of two days ago, 45. You know, I've been out of these.

[Joni Lamb]

That you know of. That you know of. And the average lifespan is like what, 33. Think about that, guys. So young. Because what it. The darkness that it brings to your soul and I remember I had you share earlier that for people who look at pornography don't realize what they're a part of.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. So when someone dies in the porn industry, they make a montage or compilation of the movies or scenes that they've done, and essentially they monetize off of the things that cause their demise. They're like, okay, this person died. Well, let's try to squeeze the lemon of their life. Let's see how much more money we can make off of them. So the reality that 45 people that I was friends with, like, many more than this, but 45 people.

[Joni Lamb]

I know it's not about two people doing a film. There's how many people in the room. There's nothing intimate. There's nothing sacred. There's nothing that God created.

[Joshua Broome]

Oh, no. It's a director telling two people to do something. And it's not for one another. It's for the camera.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. Okay, so let's get to the best part of your story, and this is the best part for you to hear as well. You move to South Carolina and get into training gym. You become a trainer.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, So I moved back to South.

[Joni Lamb]

Carolina, which was miraculous, by the way, that you left and got out.

[Joshua Broome]

I left because I tried to take my life, you know, So I think you asked me a question I didn't finish answering because I'm like, squirrel, you know?

[Hope]

What happened when you tried?

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Joshua Broome]

So I walked into a bank, but I wanted someone's. I cared about what people thought of me so much. I needed someone's permission to take my own life. And the way that I was going to get that, I go into a bank, hand a check, and historically I would just do Dropbox, atm, whatever, because I didn't want to hand a check to a person. Because on the memo of the check, it said what I was being paid for.

[Joni Lamb]

Right, and you got paid a lot of money. Yeah. Like you made a million dollars in the porn industry, at least.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, I made millions of dollars. But it's like on this. But on this. But the problem mainly was, like, on the memo is it said something grotesque. The directors would say something antagonistic because their objective is to just chip away at your humanity. Because if you don't have confidence in your humanity, then you're going to be easily manipulated. But at this point, I was just like, hey, here's the check. I want you to shake your head, say something antagonistic, you know, maybe even under your breath, like, you're disgusting. Yeah, Y. I was shooting for. But she said nothing. And I just wept and wept and wept. And she came around the corner and put her arm on my shoulder and said, joshua, how can I help you?

[Joni Lamb]

And she called you by your name.

[Joshua Broome]

Called me by my name, which I had not heard my name in 18 months.

[Joni Lamb]

That one moment of compassion.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

Like, think about it.

[Joshua Broome]

It's Acts 16. Like, the Roman guards. Like, okay, I blew it. You know, there was an earthquake. Everybody got out, grabbed a sword. I'm gonna take my life. And Paul just simply just says, hey, don't harm yourself. I'm right.

[Joni Lamb]

He's okay. So we gotta get you to South Carolina.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Joni Lamb]

Okay. That was such a good story, though. We're gonna run out of time. We gotta find out what happened.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, but. So I go to the Carolinas. I. You know, I have the financial means to get a bunch of credentials and do all this stuff, and I build another kingdom for myself in the fitness industry, and I'm so miserable. And then I meet this girl, and I was like, you know, can I take you to dinner? No. Coffee? No. With every rejection, I become more interest. She's like, hey, I go for a long run before church. How about that?

[Joni Lamb]

That was the key word right there. Before church.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Joshua Broome]

And I was like, I'll take whatever I can get. And I show up, and I begin thinking, oh, my gosh, she doesn't hang out at the gym. We have, like, parties and stuff at the gym. We hang out together a lot. She's never there. She's not about that. Maybe she doesn't know my story. And I share with her. I'm like, hey, before the run starts, I'm like, hey, there's something I want to tell you. Here's.

[Joni Lamb]

I'm gonna be transparent.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

What a way to start a run.

[Joni Lamb]

Ye.

[Joshua Broome]

If I'm honest, I was like, if you knew this about me, you wouldn't be here. So let. Let me protect myself.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Joshua Broome]

I'm like, hey, I'm this kid that his daddy didn't want. And because of that, I made a lot of decisions I regret. And some of those things, they create a lot of shame in my life, and they're on the Internet for the world to see. This is who I am. And she was.

[Joni Lamb]

She was probably a little shocked. Floored.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. And then we walk in silence for a little bit, and then she just kind of, you know, she's an elementary school teacher, so, like, you know, like, you know, when a teacher or a mom kind of, like, plants their feet and gives you the look, you know, it's like you're about to say something, you know? And she looks at me. She's like, hey, I don't want to minimize the trauma that you've been through or say that your decisions didn't have consequences, but I need you to know that you're not defined by the worst thing you've ever done. And you won't be defined by the greatest thing you'll ever do, because you are not the author of you. God is. Do you know him?

[Joni Lamb]

That's Christianity right there. I was like, that girl, and her name is Hope.

[Sarah]

I love it.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Joshua Broome]

So, I mean, she floored me with that. And then. Because what she confronted was the opposite of what I believed. I thought I was confused.

[Joni Lamb]

She confronted darkness with truth.

[Phil Driscoll]

Yeah.

[Joshua Broome]

Because I believe I was 100% defined by those things. And she invited me to church, and I heard this sermon on Second Samuel, chapter nine, of, like, David and Mephibosheth have this interaction. And Mephibosheth saying, in spite of the grace you're offering me, I'm still seeing myself as this dead dog, so. Meaning that in spite of the grace of God, like, don't you know who I am, what I've done, what I've been through, what's happened to me? And it's like I try to disqualify myself, what family I belong to. Yeah. Yeah. And then the Preacher read Hebrews 12:2, and talking about, you know, the joy set before Jesus as he endured the cross, scorning our shame. He's seated at the right hand of God, and what just, like, popped out to me was that joy. I was like, joy. Like, you're the God of the universe, wrapped in flesh, all knowing, all powerful, going to the cross, knowing what's going to happen, knowing what has happened. But you have joy.

[Sarah]

How?

[Joshua Broome]

Why? And then the Holy Spirit reveals to me, I love you.

[Sarah]

You.

[Joshua Broome]

Like, I, I. I go to the cross with joy in my heart. Because on the other side of it, all who call on my name will be saved.

[Joni Lamb]

I love you for eternity.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. So that, like, that leveled me.

[Joni Lamb]

So did you walk down to the altar?

[Joshua Broome]

Oh, I fell on my face right then and there.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Joshua Broome]

I'm like. I'm on my face, like, you know, tears and snot. You know, it's like, what's wrong with this guy?

[Sarah]

You know?

[Joni Lamb]

And Hope is. Is she right there watching all this?

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. And then I. And I stand up, and in the middle of that, like, God showed me pictures of him saving my life. Like, literally standing in front Of. I mean, there's, you know, like, I shared 45 people that I was in industry with dead. Like, there was an HIV outbreak when I was in the industry, and the person who had hiv, which I had worked with, died. I had unprotected sex with someone who had hiv. I should be dead. And God showed me a picture of him standing in front of, like, in my body, showed me a picture of a virus entering my bloodline, and he stopped it. And he said, I draw the line right here. And it was in that. Where I'm thinking, like, Romans 5, 8, where, like, knowing the worst thing about you, Jesus still went to the cross for you.

[Sarah]

Why?

[Joshua Broome]

Because. Not because of you, because of who he is.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joshua Broome]

And him loving me that much in spite of me. So I stand up and, you know, I'm made new and pretty cool that her name is Hope. And, you know, that was 10 years ago.

[Joni Lamb]

And finally she went on a date.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. Yeah, we finally went on a date.

[Joni Lamb]

And then you get married.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah, we get married, and we have. Married four boys. Yeah, nine years.

[Joni Lamb]

There's a picture right there. You know, I love the story that you share that when your first child was born as a boy.

[Joshua Broome]

You'll make me cry.

[Joni Lamb]

You got to tell that story.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. So shout out to my wife, Hope. But, like, she was in the middle of a CrossFit workout when her water broke. And then we go. We go to the doctor, and 24 hours later, he's born. And I'm like, I hadn't been asleep. I didn't know what to do, you know, as soon as her water broke, I'm like, what do I need to do? You know? What do I need to, you know, boil some water, get a towel? Am I gonna deliver the baby? Like, what am I gonna do? And he's finally born, and the nurse is kinda like, you know, putting a little bonnet on his head and laying him in this, you know, in the, like, warmer thing. And she's like, you can touch him. And I was like, are my hands clean? Like, what am I? You know? And I'm like, you know, like, reaching over. And in the middle of that, that he grabs my finger. And I heard God, like, in my spirit, say to me, as much love as you have in your heart for him right now, I love you more than that.

[Sarah]

Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

That was your father.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

That was your heavenly father.

[Joshua Broome]

Yeah. And so we named him Canon. So Canon in Hebrew means measuring sex. So that for me, like, that was. You know, my wife and I were saying like that, and That's a measure of God's grace. It's like when I look at my life, I think about, like God stands ready to do exceedingly, abundantly, more than we could ever hope, dream, or imagine. It's like I didn't have the guts to dream for the life that I have. But it's no surprise my life is not a surprise to God.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, well, you know, we didn't get to talk a lot about your book, but Seven lies that will ruin your life. You talk about all of those in the book. You tell your story. What a great book. And, you know, as Joshua was sharing the day, I really sensed there were people watching that you could relate to a story. Not that you were a porn star, but you've done things that you're very ashamed of, and they're like, right out in front of you. And God is saying, you know, man looks at the out outside, but I look at the heart. And so many times Joshua's heart was longing for his heavenly Father, to love him, to reach him and to understand what Jesus did at Calvary. And. And that's what the Lord's saying to you today, is that you need to let go of all those things and just focus on the fact that he loves you today and he's reaching out to you. And all you have to do is just open your heart and receive him, you know, and just say, jesus, okay, I'm willing to try you and just call out on his name and just say, forgive me, come into my heart and your life will be changed forever, just like he changed all of us around the table. And we share these stories because nobody is too far gone.

[Sarah]

So true.

[Joni Lamb]

And God is ever reaching with his grace and his love and his mercy. He loves you so much. And I had heard a preacher say one time, it's a dangerous thing to pull somebody else's sin out from under the blood of Jesus because the blood of Jesus washes our sin away. And that's what he wants to do for you today. And so you can have that freedom and that joy that Josh, Josh was talking about. You haven't experienced that. And God wants you to experience that joy and that peace. The Bible says He gives us a peace that passes all understanding. Well, if you're watching today and you need prayer, you can call the number on your screen if you prayed that prayer, if you invited Jesus into your heart, call the number and let us pray with you, encourage you, send you the Book of John. It's a great place to start in the Bible. If you don't have a Bible and we'll send that to you absolutely free. We don't want anything. We just want to be a blessing to you. But I do want to thank Joshua for joining us today. Be sure to pick up a copy of his book Seven Lies that Will Ruin youn Life. For more, you can visit him online@joshuabroom me. And you know, there are some of you watching that there are some secrets hidden in the darkness and they're keeping you bound. And so I want to encourage you to talk to someone that you can trust and shine the light of truth. Say, hey, I've got this issue. I don't want to stay here. And God can set you free from pornography, from whatever addiction that you're dealing with. Well, always make sure and follow us on social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content and let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. Of course, you can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. I want to thank you so much for watching watching to be encouraged today. You have never watched before, but today was your day. God had your number and he loves you so much. He wanted you to see this. I'm so excited about the days ahead. Say open your heart. Receive what God has for you today. It's a new day. We'll see you next time. Bye bye for today.

[Sarah]

That's the sound of James adding long lasting gain scent boosters to his laundry this morning. Several hours later, James sniffs the irresistible scent of gain on a shirt. Gain. Several hours later, James has even caught the attention of his mother in law and she never gives him attention.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, you smell amazing, James.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Oh, thanks Mom.

[Sarah]

I love you too.

[Joni Lamb]

I never said that.

[Sarah]

Add gain scent boosters to your laundry. Add joy to your day.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, have you ever faced something so overwhelming you weren't sure if you could keep standing? Well, today's guests have walked through life threatening illness, a spiritual battle. Through it all, of course, they discovered the power of God's word and the strength that comes from holding onto his promises. But before we get to that, join me around the table is Cindy Johnson. Are you ready? I am ready. So thrilled with the guests today and I know it will inspire and love hearing testimonies. But one of the guests is musical. Yes, and I cry. You were up in the green room and you heard him play anything and you messed up your face. My makeup is going to be a wreck because there's such an anointing we want to talk about that for sure. Yes. Anna Kendall. The anointing makes a difference, doesn't it? It absolutely does. And today we're going to hear the power of God's word.

[Phil Driscoll]

It's going to set people free and bring healing.

[Joni Lamb]

Amen. Rachel Ann Brown, how are you?

[Rachel Ann Brown]

I'm doing good.

[Joni Lamb]

This is my oldest girl right here sitting beside me. Yes, we love guests, but I really love guests that have a legacy and been through. Been through some things. I think they have more to teach us than anybody else.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

Oh, absolutely. And the Bible says that we overcome by the word of our testamen. And so whenever we share our stories, it gives people hope that whatever they're going through, that they're going to make it to the other side. And I know people that are watching today are going to be encouraged and inspired by what our guests are sharing.

[Joni Lamb]

Dorothy Newton, are you ready?

[Dorothy Newton]

I am so amazing.

[Joni Lamb]

I love your bright pink. I just turn around and I was like, woo hoo.

[Dorothy Newton]

Thank you. I'm so ready. You know, Joni, I led someone to Christ. They didn't know the word of God. And I said, it's okay. They say, I've never read the Bible, I've never read a scripture. I said, it's okay. I say, I want you to listen to this person sing. And I led them to some YouTube songs and led them to Christ, you know? So what I'm saying is that the ministry of God and anointing and what he does through people is truly remarkable.

[Joni Lamb]

It really is. Well, Phil Driscoll, darling Bishop.

[Phil Driscoll]

Praise it, Darling. Bishop Driscoll.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes, Darling Bishop Driscoll, the dynamic duo is here. Welcome to the table.

[Phil Driscoll]

Thank you. It's so good to be here.

[Joni Lamb]

It's always good to have you.

[Sarah]

Hi, honey. Am I supposed to say something? I'm surrounded. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 to 1. That ain't fair. I know.

[Joni Lamb]

Isn't it wonderful? Don't you love it?

[Sarah]

I can have it?

[Joni Lamb]

Of course you can. For sure. Well, you know, tests and trials can make us question our faith. But Phil Driscoll and darling Bishop Driscoll have learned that life's greatest battles often lead to God's greatest victories. Of course, today they're here to share how we can stand strong in the face of adversity and receive God's promises.

[Phil Driscoll]

Praise God.

[Joni Lamb]

I wanted you to, darling. You're such a preacher, y'. All. I'm just telling y', all, you look at her, you don't think. But that woman can preach and. But you know what? We've all been through some things you talked about the last couple of years especially. It seems like there's just a real.

[Phil Driscoll]

Testing that's coming, especially people that are in ministry. I mean, this is a time that we've all. Anybody that's doing anything effective for the kingdom of God has been in the fire.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[Phil Driscoll]

And I just, you know, when I talk to the devil, because sometimes I have to talk to him because he gets to messing with my head.

[Joni Lamb]

You have to tell him to get behind you and stuff like that. For sure.

[Phil Driscoll]

But I've been telling him, you step back and watch because what's going to come out of this is nothing that the world's ever seen. Because when the enemy tries to attack us, it's one thing, but when he tries to attack our guilt, that's in us, that's a whole nother story. You hit a nerve with this girl. When you touch the ministry that you don't want to.

[Joni Lamb]

Phil has a word there, right?

[Sarah]

It was just new levels, new devils. You know, when you start doing more for God, get ready, people, they go, well, now that you serve God, you're not going to have any problems. Right?

[Joni Lamb]

That's right.

[Sarah]

You're crazy.

[Joni Lamb]

Right.

[Sarah]

Because you were on the devil's side, now you've changed sides. And so you get resistance like you've never seen in the world. When I was in the world and running from God, I mean, I just was rocking, you know, I didn't think about spiritual warfare.

[Phil Driscoll]

Right.

[Sarah]

What's that? You know, and most people in the, in the, in the world don't even. They know there's a higher power and a lower power. Yes, but they refuse, you know, they refuse to put it in perspective. You know, when you're. When you're in darkness, darkness is comfortable. Light is not comfortable. Right.

[Joni Lamb]

That's true. That's true. Let's talk a little bit, Darlene, about the diagnosis you had back in 1986. I believe. I believe there's some people watching today. You need encouragement. And I'll tell you, her testimony is going to inspire you, and it's also going to build your faith. Some of you just like, okay, go ahead and sit down. You never watched before. God has something for you today, and I want you to listen, especially those of you that are struggling with some kind of diagnosis. That doesn't look good.

[Phil Driscoll]

Right. My two sisters both died with breast cancer. And it's hard for me to say this, but how. That one night I was taking a bath and I found a lump in my breast. And it paralyzed my faith. I mean, I couldn't think of a scripture, I couldn't pray, I couldn't do anything because the enemy just said, now it's your turn. You're going to die. And I mean, I fought hell for three days, and my son came into my bedroom and he said, mom, what in the world is wrong with you? Because he knows I'm not a mom to sit home and not do anything. But I told him, I said, well, I said, lawrence, the devil has attacked my body, and I've got a lump in my breast. And he said without any reservation, he said, have you forgot the prophecy that was given to you that you were going to go around the world? Mom, you've only preached to a couple hundred people. What are you thinking? That you're not going to get your promise? And I said, okay, honey. He said, well, let me pray with you. And so he prayed with me. And when he left, left my bedroom, I. I said, devil, get out your little black book and write this down, because I'm going to show you the God that I've been preaching about is going to heal me and nothing else. And I mean, I felt like my faith was. I mean, I was ready to fight. And so I thought, man, I'll be. This lump will be gone tomorrow because of my faith that had come back to me. And little did I know that I was going to have a fight for my life for months, for over five months. And I told him, I said, don't you tell nobody this, because I know how women are at the church. They get. You get cancer and they got you buried, and I'm married to you.

[Sarah]

So.

[Phil Driscoll]

But anyway.

[Joni Lamb]

But it was going to. It was going to be. It was going to be a journey. It wasn't going to be an overnight. Because you thought the next morning, I'm sure you got up and thought, oh, still there, you know.

[Phil Driscoll]

Right.

[Joni Lamb]

Exactly.

[Phil Driscoll]

Every day, I mean. And became a solid mass. My right breast became a solid mass, and then started bleeding. And so here I am praising God and preaching, still going out and preaching, still preaching at my church.

[Joni Lamb]

Wake up in the morning in your gown.

[Phil Driscoll]

And I pulled my bra back sometimes while I was even ministering, and I'd look and to see if it was still there after I'd prayed, you know, and all that. And it was still there. The blood was still there. But anyway, I was washing the blood out of my gown. And this is for somebody that's dealing with this right now. I really believe that. And I Heard him say my name. He said, Darlene. And it was so real. I raised up and I said, yes, Lord.

[Sarah]

And.

[Phil Driscoll]

And he said, because you've continued in the Word as of this day, you're healed. Go proclaim it. And I've been proclaiming it since 19, almost 40 years. Next year I'll be. Praise God. Free of everything. And knowing that. But see, we forget that faith has to be tested before it can be trusted.

[Sarah]

Yes.

[Phil Driscoll]

So you have to go through something. There's nobody that envy anybody in ministry unless you're ready to go through hell.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. What was your question, Anna?

[Phil Driscoll]

Did it go away immediately then after the Lord spoke to you? Or was that still another process? No, didn't bleed any more than that. And the mass was totally gone in three days.

[Joni Lamb]

Wonderful. Wow.

[Sarah]

But think about it, he said, from this day forward, you're healed. But she still had all the symptoms.

[Phil Driscoll]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And the other thing, when you think about it, disease. We live in a get it now society, right. We think if God's going to heal me, he's got to heal me right now. But disease is a process.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes.

[Sarah]

Sometimes healing is a process.

[Joni Lamb]

Absolutely.

[Sarah]

When Jesus cured the blind man, he saw men like trees, Right. He wasn't totally healed. But sometimes it just takes a minute.

[Phil Driscoll]

It does.

[Sarah]

Doesn't mean it's not working.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, for sure, for sure. For people who don't know, Phil Driscoll is just such an amazing musician and singer, but really worship leader in that he just understands about the presence of God. Very sensitive to the Holy Spirit. But it hasn't always been that way. Talk about when you really surrendered to the Lord, what happened?

[Sarah]

Well, I grew up in church. My dad was a minister, right. And I had a best selling Christian record for world record. I think it was the biggest one.

[Joni Lamb]

They ever had in way back when Word was just.

[Sarah]

When Word was Word, right. I'm about to get drafted. I go to Baylor. I'm in Baylor. And then the Word signs me and I do a cd. I mean, no, I do an album in Stockholm, Sweden. And then as I begin to grow, I mean, I love funk. I loved rock and roll. I loved all that. But the church says, oh no, God doesn't like rhythm, right? So I began to go, well, maybe God's not as hip as I thought he was. And so I went out and for about 10 years I was running. You know, you get caught in a web in the world. You know, the lifestyle of a musician is a different lifestyle than any other technology because you deal with tremendous gratification and tremendous lack thereof. You have to deal with rejection. And so I was in it and I hadn't dealt with rejection much, except in the beginning. I played all the joints before I made it, right? So I'm with Joe Cocker. I would play even when in the clubs. I would play the Lord's Prayer at the end of the day. I guess it was my symbolic thing for God, right? People would put Bibles on my bandstand sometimes.

[Joni Lamb]

Kinda like Elvis singing How Great Thou Art at the end of the concert.

[Sarah]

Yeah, yeah, because, you know, I knew the guy that was Elvis's worship leader, Memphis Church, assembly of God. And he said, Phil, he said Elvis would come in and sing, but the church never supported him. They wanted everything for nothing. Big indictment. But anyway, I kept the story that most people don't know is I had built a synthetic cocaine laboratory. And I was involved in drugs quite heavily. Because when you're in music, it's the tour de force, right? And so I built this and I was on the road with Cocker. We had a call, he got a call from this guy and I said, well, bring some stuff and we'll have a. And he came to Atlanta and it was a wire, big wire. It was the biggest wiretap conspiracy the government ever had. And so, long story short, on Christmas Day, my mom and my dad came to my house. I played until 2 or 3 that night, right? They had Dunkin Donuts and coffee and they said, will you come to church with us? I don't do church church, but I'd go with you. My dad had me older, later in his life, so I had to go. So I went, drove my Rolls Royce to church. Thought I'd do God a favor. Parked way away from the church because it was packed, was a gymnasium. I walked in and the people, they were having more as much fun or more than people in bars, nightclubs at midnight or one o', clock, right? So I went, golly. And I'm leaning against the back wall and there was a lady preacher. And I'm listening and all of a sudden I began to feel the presence of the Lord. And you know what got me was not to take so long. But there was a guy playing trumpet and he wasn't very good, but I'm listening to him. And with me, music had. Music was like a magnetic field.

[Joshua Broome]

Sure.

[Sarah]

When I would go wherever and I heard music, I'd immediately go to where they were. Not because I wanted to play, but it drew. So I walked up and said, can I play? He said, Sure, I played. And most people. There were a lot of people in the church that went to the clubs, right? And so they knew I had long hair down to here and, you know, leathers and clogs. I didn't look saved.

[Phil Driscoll]

Can you imagine what that looked like?

[Sarah]

But God didn't care.

[Phil Driscoll]

Yeah, that's right.

[Sarah]

And so when I played, it was. They were playing Amazing Grace, and God really spoke to me and said, son, that's the reason I gave you the talent. And that day marked the change in my life.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

So from that point on, did you not go to clubs anymore?

[Sarah]

No, I did for a while because I didn't know. See, the church had divorced me because they said God didn't like it funky. I liked it funky. God didn't like it loud. I never heard, turned it down until I went to church. True story.

[Joni Lamb]

So sanctification is a process, right? It's like sometimes, you know, Darlene, is this true? People will pray, a prayer, invite Jesus in and get saved, but they've maybe come out of the world and we expect them to understand every rule and regulation, which. There's too many, obviously. But you've got to let the Holy Spirit do that work, right? And so there was a process of God showing you, right, how to live life and how to, you know. And you're still. I mean, we're still in that process, right?

[Sarah]

Can I tell you the end of the story?

[Joni Lamb]

Yes, tell us.

[Sarah]

So that means night I went back to church and I sat in the back because I couldn't deny what had happened to me, right? It was like somebody poured warm oil over me because I had a contract out on a guy. I was in the danger zone, right? And a guy with short hair. I'd have called him a redneck. He came up to me and said, brother, I have a word for you. I wasn't that saved. And so he says, you're going to go through the heaviest time within three weeks of your life, life from this day. And God has brought you back now to show you that he has a plan and purpose for your life. Well, 17 days later, I'm in the shower. 19 federal agents surrounded my house, came in with guns drawn. I had a doberman that weighed 185 pounds. They put a magnum on him and said, if he moves, he's dead. They handcuffed me. They took me in. I was looking. Conspiracy to distribute a controlled substance. It was 76 years. There were 99 defendants. 95 did time. Three were killed and one was acquitted. I was the One that was acquitted on the technicality. So you can't tell me that God didn't have a big plan, but he arrested me before. The big deal in it was that he delivered me, but the big deal was that he gave me a heads up before.

[Joni Lamb]

Right. But you know what stands out to me in your story is that when you're standing in the back and you recognize the presence of God, because people who have that gifting, especially with music, if you ever allow them to get into that kind of presence, their spirit recognizes them.

[Sarah]

There's no question. A friend of mine did Olivia Newton Johnson. He wrote a song. And in the song was, even a blind man can tell when he's walking in the sun.

[Joni Lamb]

So many of those songs, you know, were written for the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords that we think are secular.

[Sarah]

They were. You are so beautiful. Billy Preston wrote, you are so beautiful.

[Phil Driscoll]

To Jesus, and you sing it to me all the time.

[Sarah]

I do.

[Joni Lamb]

You are so beautiful. That's right. That's awesome. That's awesome.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

I'm curious, what were your parents reaction to you being indicted? And then, like, the Lord so dramatically.

[Sarah]

It was devastating because in Jacksonville, where it happened, I was a big deal, you know, so it's front page, big page. And hearing my mom and dad lived there, you know, it was crazy. My dad. My mom was not quite as forgiving, right? But my dad. I owned two nightclubs in Jacksonville when I was in the world, right? And my dad would come and work on my nightclubs, and that's what got me. Really.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, when he came that morning with the Dunkin Donuts and the coffee and you went to church, he saw something happened, right?

[Sarah]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Right beside me. They were crying. They were. They lost it.

[Rachel Ann Brown]

Yeah. But it got you because it was when someone loved you and it didn't make sense. Like, I'm still gonna love you, I'm still gonna support you. I'm still gonna show up for you, regardless of what you're doing. And don't you think that breaks somebody?

[Sarah]

Oh, for good? I think it was the thing that broke. Because if you have a son or a daughter, and they're hellraisers, right, and you're a godly person, the instinct is to do this. Love them and love them. Just love them, because the love of God is the greatest force that will change. You know, you can preach down to somebody, but they won't. They'll just blow you off.

[Phil Driscoll]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sarah]

You know, Joni, today when I was. We came in late because we had a little bit of mishaps trying to get here. Anyway, we get in and, you know, we're making things and a couple of things didn't work. And I'm going, come on. You know, And I. So I said, okay, I know what I'm going to do. I thought I knew what I was going to do. And then when you all began to sing, I went the Holy Ghost and said, no, right?

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Sarah]

And so the only thing that I thought I knew we were going to do today, we didn't do. And so I told David, I just said, david, I said, see music, that's.

[Joni Lamb]

Your piano guy, by the way, very talented.

[Sarah]

Oh, you're so gifted. Music operates. It timestamps us.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right.

[Sarah]

You can remember where you were when you heard a song. Let's take out Christian music. You can remember something that happened when you heard a song. And every time you hear the song you go back to that because it timestamps you. Right. And so even in. I've recorded now 450 songs for Jesus. But once I go live, once I go live, it's harder to go back because it's in the now. It's a big deal. Faith is in the now. You can't move God on yesterday's faith. Songs are in the now.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, you know, we're coming up on the four year anniversary of your dad graduating to heaven. My late husband, Marcus Langley. And Phil was the first person up at the funeral to play. And just by the presence of God, no one will ever forget. If you haven't seen Marcus lamb's funeral on YouTube, I think they probably got a half a million views of that. You have to go watch it. But Phil, it set the tone. That was such an incredible moment of just inviting the presence of God. Do you remember?

[Dorothy Newton]

Oh, I remember every time I listened to his music, I think about Pastor Marcus because that time, I mean, the Holy Spirit was there from the beginning because you started it. And I mean, it never left.

[Phil Driscoll]

Well, after that service, I don't know how many people, Jensen Franklin, a bunch of them come up to feel and say, when I die, I want you. He said he'd become the funeral song.

[Joni Lamb]

And I can't. Well, no, I mean, because he was singing a song that exalted the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. It was all about exalting. It was a celebration of someone who had finished the course and having to.

[Dorothy Newton]

Look forward to just being with him. I mean, it gave everybody hope. You know, I'm sure there was People there that didn't know the Lord, but I guarantee you, when they left, they felt the same.

[Joni Lamb]

So any special, like, what would be some of the moments where, you know, that God was able to use you, that kind of stand out throughout your life? I mean, there's so many. I know. Just tell us a couple.

[Sarah]

You know, sometimes when you go a place, Joni, and you say, God, did you forget to show up? And then someone will come up to you whose life was totally mesmerized and changed, you know, I don't know. I mean, it's not about the numbers. Sometimes I think we miss it. God didn't need a big army. He proved it with Gideon, right? Yeah, but I think. I mean, I played, you know, South Africa. I played for a million, 200,000 lives.

[Joni Lamb]

You played for five presidents.

[Sarah]

Yeah, five presidents. But, you know, I was going to say something. I think it's important. I don't know if it's important for this show, but years ago, Kenneth Copeland told me, he said, the way God does business is in the law of fair exchange. That's why the lottery is usually a jerk. You know, people get the lottery and they're more broke than they were in six months or a year. Yeah. In the law, fair exchange. See, if I sing you a song like I was going to do this morning, there's three kinds of music for God. One is man to man, and God will honor that kind of music. It's a confession. It's whatever God's done for you, that's power, because you involve the name of Jesus. But the most powerful is man to God music.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sarah]

And then God to man music, the spontaneous song of the Lord. What we did this morning were just spontaneous songs of the Lord. I mean, you know, but that's the secret. It's not about if I say, you know, I love Darlene. She's a really great lady. She's beautiful. Or if I look at her and say, darlene, I love you, there's something that's different, and that's how it is. When we worship the Lord, we don't call him in the third person. Lord, it's Abba. Father. It's our. That's the wonder of it all.

[Joni Lamb]

Yes.

[Sarah]

And that trumps everything.

[Joni Lamb]

Just take a moment, if you will, and would you just lead us in a sinner's prayer for those that are watching right now that maybe they're listening, but they've actually never invited the Lord into their heart and life. And the Holy Spirit just opened up their heart for this moment and I tell you it's the most important prayer that you'll ever pray. The Lord loves you so much. It's no accident that you're watching. We'll just repeat after you.

[Sarah]

You might be the biggest heathen in the state.

[Phil Driscoll]

I knew you had something to say.

[Sarah]

You might be somebody that's the most famous. You might be a millionaire or a billionaire, you might be acclaimed, you might have medals on the wall, fill the wall. It doesn't mean anything in the real life, which is not here. Jesus said, I go to prepare a place for you. It was not a lie. And you know, we pray. We watch Franklin Graham lead people in that 30 second commercial and we pray for him every time because the gospel is not a difficult message. It's so easy that your 5 year old can accept him. Right? Let's do it. You do it now. You pray.

[Phil Driscoll]

Father, in the name of Jesus. In the name of Jesus, we thank you for this wonderful day. Thank you for this day and the privilege that we have. The privilege that we have to be in unity with you.

[Sarah]

To be in unity with you.

[Phil Driscoll]

And we ask you right now, whoever is watching this program, that you will bless them, that you will bless them with life, more abundant life. And we thank you from this day forward.

[Sarah]

Thank you from this day forward for the.

[Phil Driscoll]

The power of our witness.

[Sarah]

The power of our witness.

[Phil Driscoll]

Let it go forth, Lord, as we are saved, we are healed, we are blessed beyond measure.

[Sarah]

We are blessed beyond measure.

[Phil Driscoll]

And we thank you for a day that we are saved, healed and delivered and protected by your power. In Jesus name, Amen. Thank you, Jesus.

[Joni Lamb]

Thank you so much. Well, we are out of time today, but I want you to remember, no matter what you're walking through today, I pray you've been encouraged and I pray that you know that you're going to make it. God is working behind the scenes. He's moving on your behalf. So keep believing, keep praying, keep worshiping until you see his promises fulfilled in your life. If you're watching today and you prayed that prayer, if you invited Jesus in, if you said Jesus, Jesus, forgive me. I always tell the story about my grandpa who just said, God, if you're there, I need you. He didn't know how to pray any other prayer. Praise God. He just knew he's at the end of himself. And he knelt down in a factory there in Greenville, South Carolina on a Monday morning at the water fountain. He told me and he said, God, if you're there, I need you. You might be there, God, and you just say God, I don't know who these people are, but if you're there, I need you. The onus is not on us to prove who he is. He will reveal himself to you in a magnificent way and he's going to do that for you. There is a prayer line number on the screen. We have amazing partners that are standing by ready to pray with you and it's our honor to do so. If you did pray that prayer and invite Jesus into your heart, if you ask him to forgive you, we'd love to send you the Book of John. It's a great place to start in the Bible, the Gospel of John. We'll send that to you absolutely free. But I do want to thank Phil and Darlene for joining us. To find out more about Phil's ministry, visit phil driscoll.com and for more from Darlene, you can visit solidrockchurch.org you gotta go listen to Phil Driscoll's music. Okay. It's all over the place. It's such a blessing. Young and old. Is that true?

[Sarah]

Love it.

[Joni Lamb]

Love it. As always. Make sure of course. Follow us on all social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content and let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. And of course you can also listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast available now on all the major platforms. Thank you so much for watching. I'm excited about what God has for you in the days ahead. You be encouraged today and there's some of you that again you needed healing in your body. That's why that number's on the screen. We would love to pray for you and believe with you for God to touch you just like he touched darling so many years go. We'll see you next time. Bye bye.

[Sarah]

For today.

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[Sarah]

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[Joni Lamb]

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[Sarah]

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