JONI TABLE TALK - NOVEMBER 9TH, 2025

Summary

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Joni Table Talk – November 9, 2025

Real America's Voice | Host: Joni Lamb
Guest: Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo and Dan Steiner

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Episode Overview

On this inspiring and faith-focused episode, Joni Lamb is joined at the table by co-hosts April Simons, Rebecca Lamb Weiss, Cindy Johnson, Dan Steiner, and special guest Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo all the way from London. The conversation journeys through Pastor Matthew’s remarkable calling from a Muslim upbringing in Nigeria to pioneering church growth in London, as well as his holistic outreach and crusade work in Africa, blending evangelism and massive compassion initiatives. In the latter half, the discussion centers around living with an eternal mindset, and Dan Steiner introduces his new book, "Hearing Jesus Say Well Done: The Secret to Securing Heaven's Rewards," exploring the biblical concept of heavenly rewards and how believers can live a life worthy of eternal commendation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo’s Journey: Transformation, Mission, and Miracles

From Islam to Christianity and Early Call:

• Pastor Matthew shares his story of being raised in a Muslim family but encountering Christ at age 20 after reading a gospel tract he found by chance.

  "I was in a drunken state...picked up one [tract], read it, and invited Jesus into my heart." — Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo [04:08]

• Faced little familial persecution due to his father’s unusual religious path and his passing during the Nigerian civil war.

Reverse Missionary to London:

• After attending Foursquare Bible school in Nigeria, Pastor Matthew was asked to go to the UK as a “reverse missionary.”
• He was warned that English churches rarely exceeded 30–100 people and was discouraged by initial slow growth. For several years, church numbers remained low.

  "First three, four years were very discouraging...I was so discouraged, told my wife...If you wanted to do some studies here, you need to do it now because we're going back home." — Pastor Matthew [07:02]

Turning Point in Ministry:

• A guest preacher encouraged him to act in faith (e.g., pray over empty chairs); attending John Wimber’s “Signs and Wonders” conference also radically changed his ministry outlook.

  "John Wimber’s conference was my turning point. ...He was saying, step out and let God start using you. Just do something and let the Holy Spirit show up." — Pastor Matthew & Joni Lamb [08:01–08:29]

Miraculous Growth:

• Emphasizes obedience, stepping out in faith, and re-engineering expectations (beyond a “200-person pastor” mindset) as keys to growth.
• Multiple services, word-of-mouth, and commitment to excellence led to explosive attendance—growing to 12,000 before their building was seized for the London Olympics.

  "We grew to 12,000. And then the fire became like a conflagration, and all the churches began to catch the same fire." — Pastor Matthew [10:57]

Resilience and Fresh Provision:

• Church lost their building but, through perseverance, later acquired a £45 million property for only £5 million—a signature moment of divine favor.

  "24 acres, buildings worth 45 million pounds. And we bought it for 5 million...It is totally crazy." — Pastor Matthew [13:19–13:30]

Compassion Crusades: Holistic Evangelism in Africa

Vision Shift:

• Wanted to move beyond traditional crusade models to a holistic, compassionate approach: medical surgeries, distribution of food and supplies, and pastor training alongside the gospel message.
• The crusades feature five "fingers": free surgeries, nightly crusade meetings, massive relief distributions, pastor conferences, and converting stadiums into temporary hospitals.

  "So our crusades are five fingered...we take over some hospitals in town and carry out free surgery...the second finger...the nightly crusades...the third finger is relief..." — Pastor Matthew [15:48–17:02]

Impact:

• Multiple years running, each event sees tens of thousands of medical treatments (including complex surgeries and mass deworming programs), food/clothing distributions, and tens of thousands committing to Christ.
• Employs hundreds of local doctors (paid for their time), organizes 5–7,000 volunteers per event, and coordinates essential crowd control for safety.

Miracles and Testimonies:

• Reports stunning stories: deaf-mute individuals healed, Muslims receiving Christ, and even a local food distributed (cassava) serving as a means of miraculous healing.

  "We had a 32 year old lady who had never spoken or heard. She spoke. She heard. ...a woman [with rashes] said, 'Even their gari is healing my body.'" — Pastor Matthew [24:31–25:32]

Funding & Legacy:

• Notes the outreach is largely self-funded from his business ventures, increasingly gaining support from churches and donors. Joni Table Talk gifts $50,000 toward medicines.

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Living With an Eternal Perspective – Dan Steiner’s Segment

“Well Done, Good and Faithful Servant” and Heavenly Rewards

Paradigm Shift:

• Dan Steiner discusses how Christians should live with eternity in mind, not only seeking salvation but aiming to hear God say, “Well done, good and faithful servant.”
• Emphasizes that the most significant aspect is not perfection, but faithful obedience to what God sets before each individual:

  "Not about perfection. It's just about relationship and doing what God's called us to do." — April Simons [33:57]

Judgment and Rewards:

• Drawing from 2 Corinthians 5, Dan highlights that while salvation is a free gift through grace, there is a separate evaluation for rewards in heaven, based on faithfulness and how believers steward their gifts, opportunities, and callings.
• Uses the parable of the talents/minas to illustrate God’s desire for “increase”—whether leading souls to Christ, serving faithfully in the mundane, or raising a godly family:

  “It's about obedience with the gifts and callings that God has placed on the inside of you. ...If you're faithful to that, then you're going to receive the same reward.” — Joni Lamb [41:19–42:23]

Legacy and Multiplication:

• Testimonies underscore how simple acts of faithfulness—like the two widows who opened their home to the lost—ripple forward generationally, producing powerful ministry lineages.
• “The Christian life is action...only what we do for Jesus Christ, that and that only for eternity, that's our legacy.” — Dan Steiner [53:07]

Practical Challenge:

• Dan issues a “one week gospel assignment” for listeners to ask God to send someone into their path for them to share Christ, underscoring that simple faithfulness has eternal results.

  “Lord, the next person you send into my life, make sure it's the person you want me to witness and talk about Jesus.” — Dan Steiner [56:59]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the simplicity of salvation:

  “From a tract, y'all! … That's that simple, actually.” — Joni Lamb & Rebecca Lamb Weiss [04:27–04:30]

• On discouragement and breakthrough:

  “Your attitude was like, if this place isn't working, I'm going back home. He said, you need to change your attitude, do some things, take steps of faith…” — Guest Preacher advice to Pastor Matthew [07:24]

• On miraculous provision:

  “24 acres...buildings worth 45 million pounds. And we bought it for 5 million...It is totally crazy.” — Pastor Matthew [13:19–13:30]

• On measuring Church health:

  “By default, most seminaries train you to pastor 200 people. And I needed to re engineer my thinking to be able to handle thousands.” — Pastor Matthew [09:47]

• On holistic ministry:

  “A kind of crusade that brought compassion. …We do the surgery as a start, then the relief, then the...pastor compress. We now train the pastors, ten thousand of them.” — Pastor Matthew [15:14–17:02]

• On timing and God’s calling:

  “Provision is for an appointed time… the word for appropriate season is zaman in Hebrew, kairos in Greek...I went into ministry at 22, and I didn't start this crusade until I was 70.” — Pastor Matthew [21:45–22:17]

• On living for eternity:

  “This life is so important. It determines where we'll spend eternity. But we will be judged for the gifts and calling that God has put on the inside of us.” — Joni Lamb [38:37]

• On influence and legacy:

  “What we're talking about here is legacy. …We can do things that will not only last in our lifetime, but beyond our lifetime and then into eternity.” — Dan Steiner [52:22]

• On obedience vs. scale:

  “Whether that's a mother who's raising five amazing children that gives her all...she's going to get just as much a reward as a Billy Graham or someone else.” — Joni Lamb [41:19]

• Challenge to listeners:

  "Lord, the next person you send into my life, make sure it's the person you want me to witness and talk about Jesus..." — Dan Steiner [56:59]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pastor Matthew's Testimony & Early Ministry: [04:08–06:53]
• Difficult Early Years in London, Turning Point, John Wimber Influence: [06:53–08:36]
• Miraculous Church Growth & Building Miracle: [09:46–13:34]
• African Compassion Crusades: Model & Testimonies: [14:14–21:24]
• Finances, Multiplication, and Volunteer Mobilization: [22:33–24:12]
• Miracle Accounts from Crusades: [24:31–26:08]
• Persecution and Revival in Nigeria: [27:31–29:04]
• Transition to Eternal Perspective Discussion: [33:30–36:54]
• Well Done, Good & Faithful Servant Discussion (Heaven's Rewards): [37:10–43:40]
• Parables, Legacy, Practical Evangelism Challenge: [44:53–57:57]

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Episode Takeaways

• Faithful Obedience is more impactful in God's eyes than outward ministry scale.
• Miracles & Expansion follow persistent faith, willingness to change, and bold steps.
• Holistic Outreach—meeting physical, emotional, and spiritual needs—can ignite revival.
• Legacy matters; small acts can multiply for generations.
• Every Christian is called to eternal impact—no act of service or witness is too small for God to reward.
• Eternal Mindset: Live in light of eternity; prepare not just for “entrance” to heaven, but to hear "well done" from Jesus.

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Resource Links:

• Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo: kicc.org.uk
• Dan Steiner: danielsteiner.org

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Closing Encouragement:
This episode challenges believers to step into God’s calling with bold faith, embrace humble service, and keep eternity front-of-mind in all things—trusting that every act of obedience, no matter how small, echoes forever.

Transcript

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[Joni Lamb]

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[Dan Steiner]

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[Joni Lamb]

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[Dan Steiner]

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[April Simons]

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[Joni Lamb]

Well, you know, Jesus has called us to be the salt and light of the world and reminds us that whatever we do for the least of these, we do for him. Well, our guest today is living out that calling, impacting thousands of lives through compassion, love and unwavering faith. But before we get to that, joining me around the table is April Simons. We love world changers, don't we?

[Dan Steiner]

We do.

[April Simons]

We got one here today. I can't wait to hear the story.

[Joni Lamb]

Dorothy Newton, how are you doing? Really good. That's where we're Called to be the hands and feet of Jesus. This is beautiful. That's right, Rachel. This is someone who's very apostolic, very entrepreneurial. Right down your alley.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

I love all those things, and there's nothing more powerful than a transformed life.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

That is the story of our guest today.

[Joni Lamb]

That's right. Rebecca Lamb Weiss. How are you? I'm good.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

Happy to be here.

[Joni Lamb]

You ready to talk to a world changer?

[April Simons]

Absolutely.

[Joni Lamb]

I love a great story. All right. Cindy Johnston, how are you?

[April Simons]

I'm doing great. Ready for this inspirational show today, and.

[Joni Lamb]

What an amazing guest. Yes. Pastor Matthew Ishimoloa. Welcome.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Thank you.

[Joni Lamb]

All the way from London.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Thank you very much.

[Joni Lamb]

Such a great story. Well, you know, after launching the nonprofit Christ's compassion to the rural world, Pastor Matthew Ishumeloa witnessed God's heart to reach the world firsthand. Today, he joins us to share his remarkable journey and the lasting impact of this mission. So a little bit about your story and growing up in Nigeria, and of course, I think the most interesting part for all our ladies here is that you were sent as a reverse missionary to Europe into London from Nigeria. Whereas usually we're the ones who said that, you know, over. But just talk a little bit how you came to know the Lord.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Well, first, I was born to a Muslim family. My dad was a Muslim and my mom and my brother and sister. But then when I was 20, I was more or less a secular Muslim. So I was in a drunken state when I walked into somebody's house who had some pile of trash, picked up one, read it, and invited Jesus into.

[Joni Lamb]

My heart from a tract, y'.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

All.

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

That's that simple, actually.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yeah. Several Years later, about 10, 12 years ago, I went to Alberta, Canada, and decided to visit evangelical tract distributors who had sent that truck to Africa to go say thank you for leading this ex Muslim to Christ.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

What did your family think of that radical transformation?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

My dad had passed in the Nigerian civil war, so that was. That would have been my biggest problem. He would have been my persecution or my persecutor, but he was passed. And so I didn't have much of pressure from that point. Again, because my dad was a renegade. He was the only Muslim from his general family. Everyone in his greater family were believers, were Christians, but he chose Islam. My dad always likes to travel in the opposite direction.

[April Simons]

You kind of do the same.

[Dan Steiner]

I did.

[Joni Lamb]

Well, you came to know the Lord, and immediately the Lord began to or allowed you to be discipled. And you went to Bible school. Was it. Was it foursquare yeah. Well, that's the one Jack Hayford came out of.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. They had entered Africa. They had entered Nigeria 70 years ago. So when I got born again in 72, I got called of God in 73. So I went to their Bible school 74, and was posted to the church in 76. But then they needed reverse missionaries who will go to Europe. And I was picked as one to be the first reverse missionary to go into the United Kingdom.

[Joni Lamb]

And when you got there, they told you if you have a church of how many it's going to be Revival.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yeah. I mean, first of all, there were churches in England that were just under 30. And a gentleman whom I had met who was in foursquare with us, he had gone to the same Bible school as Reinhard Bonnke in Wales. He said, matthew, if you ever see a hundred people in your church, that's a massive revival. It was very discouraging, but I knew it was a call of God. But then I went anyhow, believing that there'd be a great move of God.

[Joni Lamb]

You know what I love about this story is you can see how God saved you. You went to Bible school and then you served for so many years and then they sent you. But when you got there, there was no instant success.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

No, no, no.

[Joni Lamb]

There were several really difficult, hard years. And I think that's important to talk about that. There's usually a process when God's going to do something great.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yes, Certainly the first three, four years were very discouraging. People were not more than 30, 40. Matter of fact, at some point I was so discouraged, told my wife, if you wanted to do some studies here, you need to do it now because we're going back home. But it was at that point that I felt I had an encounter with God. And there was a turning point.

[Joni Lamb]

What happened?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

I guess I had a guest who had come and preached for me, and he said, pastor, you need to change your attitude. Your attitude was like, if this place isn't working, I'm going back home. He said, you need to change your attitude, do some things, take steps of faith, put out chairs with nobody sitting on it and start prophesying on the chairs. And I'm thinking, wouldn't I look a little crazy laying hands on empty chairs?

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

That's the gifted face, isn't it?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

But that was a turning point. And something happened. Coupled with the fact that some guy came from America to teach in London on the Miraculous John Wimber.

[Joni Lamb]

I remember John Wimber.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

John Wimber came to do one of his signs and wonders conference. And I had gone. I mean, I was raised in the pentecostal Bible school, But we didn't quite know how to move in the miraculous. But John Wimber's conference was my turning point. Some of his statements, statements like, don't be afraid to pray for the sick if you can't. If you say there are two people here with deafness, with a deaf ear, left ear, and it's the right ear, at least you got the ear right.

[Joni Lamb]

He was saying, step out and let God start using you. Just do something and let the Holy Spirit show up.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

I mean, truly that happened, and we began to see miracles.

[Joni Lamb]

You know your dad, John Osteen, the same thing, right?

[April Simons]

Yeah, he did.

[Joni Lamb]

He said, let's let the holy Spirit do what he wants to do.

[April Simons]

He learned about healing and he got this revelation on it, and he had a healing revival. And his first person that came up to get healed was deaf and mute. He said, oh, God, please give me somebody with a headache. And he prayed and a miracle of miracles, that person was totally set free, totally healed.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

And I actually met her dad in 1989 at the Kenneth Hagin conference.

[Joni Lamb]

Oh, my goodness, Met him.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

He had come to his own bookstand to sign some books.

[Dan Steiner]

Oh, man.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

I'd listened to him in the conference.

[Joni Lamb]

And don't you love that his legacy lives? Okay, so the church began to grow after a few years. Like, yeah, huge.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Like, what happened with us not believing God and stepping out in faith and laying hands on people and doing ministry and also trying to run with excellence. So many things combined, but the biggest was obedience. Moving in the miraculous and trusting God and also changing our belief systems. And growth began.

[Joni Lamb]

You got to say it all again.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

So obedience, obedience, Trusting God for the miraculous, stepping out of the known to the unknown, and also re engineering. I was trained in seminary, and by default, most seminaries train you to pastor 200 people. And I needed to re engineer my thinking to be able to handle thousands.

[Joni Lamb]

So what happened when you got the first thousand and then two thousand and then three thousand?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Well, in short growth, they argue that once you have the first thousand, you just get to do the same thing you did to continue to multiply. And once you did those things, they happen. However, one of the things you need to do is go into multiple services. And we did that. Which was unknown in London. I mean, we were running multiple services. Then it became a word of mouth. People were now telling everyone, do you know that church in Hackney, London? I mean, it became so bad that we haven't finished one service. The crowd outside was going to break down the door. Everyone was thinking, is this happening in England or not?

[Joni Lamb]

I mean, that is so amazing. And it finally grew to how many?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

We grew to 12,000. And then the fire became like a conflagration, and all the churches began to catch the same fire. And even with the persecution we went through, building taken over by the government because the Olympics, the 2012 Olympics, was actually. I mean, the stadium sits where my pulpit used to be. Yeah, they use that.

[Joni Lamb]

And you did.

[Dan Steiner]

What'd you do?

[April Simons]

Where'd you go? They just came in and took your building?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yeah, they took our building, took our premises. And prior to that time, we had bought a small movie place. Very small. So we had to run five services to keep the church running. We had to run five services.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

What did you think in that season when it's like, lord, you've blessed me. You've brought me, like, to just take it all the way.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

I guess when you walk with the Lord, you might just find that some questions you ask, he wouldn't answer because you want a hasty answer and he has a better answer. So when we were in that small building those five, six years, he was like, in fact, I went as far as saying, God, are you trying to kill me because I'm preaching five times? And it ended affecting my hips because I was standing for hours, which is another testament itself. I went for hip replacement surgery. When I got to the doctor's, I took the X ray to the pulpit, placed it on the pulpit and said, father, this is where I got this problem. By the time I see the surgeon, let them not find anything. When I got there, the guy praised and couldn't find anything.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

Amazing. Okay. So then God miraculously did something supernatural with the building. Tell everybody what happened.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

So when we were now chopped out of our land, we had to worship for six years in this tiny. I call it tiny because it only takes about 1600. When we were running five services dissipates, sending our members to open branches. Six years into being in the place, we found a huge premises owned by the Boy Scouts of Kent in England. And they had built it with lottery money.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

Wow.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Lottery money. 24 acres, buildings on the land worth 45 million pounds.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

And we bought it for 5 million.

[April Simons]

Oh, my goodness.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

It is totally crazy.

[Joni Lamb]

That's what the Lord has done.

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Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

That's amazing. I mean, and that's still going. It's just. I've been to your church. It's amazing.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

You need to come to this new.

[Joni Lamb]

One, I know you need to invite me. I'll come. Hey, so talk a little bit about what you're doing now, because it's almost like God has taken everything that you've gone through these 50 years to get.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Me ready for something else.

[Joni Lamb]

To get you ready. By the way, you're not going to retire. Just going to tell you that. So don't even think about retiring because some of your greatest days are ahead. But you're seeing some incredible things happen, especially in the continent of Africa. So I think we have some B roll that we can show. But talk a little bit about what's going on there.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yeah. So initially, when I was called to ministry, my heart was always to do crusades and evangelism. But the Foursquare church, which was my setting of calling, said, hey, we only want pastors. So you have to be a pastor by fire, by force. So we were meant to be pastors, but the cry of the wild was to just be an evangelist. I did everything I could, anytime I had the opportunity. But visiting some guys in Ghan, I observed something they were doing and it resonated with what I felt Africa needed. I felt Africa needed. Not a crusade. They just brought the crowd, preached to them, they went home. But a kind of a crusade that brought compassion. So I actually would leave London and go with these guys to villages of Ghana. And I did that for eight years, just studying the guys carried my crew from England, followed them, sponsored their crusade, put hundreds of thousands of dollars into their crusades just to train. But then finally, and I felt we could do this, it was time for me. And then the Lord began to minister to me. And then I said, lord, until you show me the city, I wouldn't go now. Gave me this. Go ahead. To start with the city where I went to seminary, we show up with the kind of crusade they'd never seen take over the. So our crusades are five fingered first fingers. We take over some hospitals in town and carry out free surgery.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

So that first crusade, we had 400 surgeries, including what they call a total redoing of a face. A girl who had like double face, something protruded out of her face. We had to redo. So 400 surgeries. The second finger of our crucial crusaders, the nights, the nightly crusades, the miracle crusades. And that first one, we had 10,000 souls get born again in four or five days. The third finger is relief. We distributed 50,000 packs of rice, 50,000 packs of beans, 50,000 of everything, clothing, buckets, sugar. The Stadium was jammed. The people had never seen anything like this. So the Night Crusades, it wasn't difficult for you to really. Some of them are like, these guys are compassionate. So we had Muslims turning to Christ. And then we had the second year, which was just last November. That was triple. We were distributing everything in 150,000. 150,000 packs of rice. Took over four hospitals for the surgery, 140 eyes and other surgeries.

[Joni Lamb]

And these are people that maybe can't afford these surgeries. They cannot afford, and they get them for free. People that need eye surgeries or just things that we would take for granted.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Here in America, they could not afford it. And if you go to the government hospital, you had to pay. You didn't have the money. They said, well, go and endure until you die. So we had 600, in fact, 140 eyes. When the eye surgeons couldn't cope, we flew in another doctor from somewhere else. So we do the surgery as a start, then the relief, then the fourth finger is the pastor's compress. We now train the pastors, 10,000 of them. But the last two days is a huge medical event where we convert the stadium to become a hospital. We line up 150 doctors, 150 pharmacists, about 200 nurses. We bring medicines worth $300,000.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Last year, we had about 70,000 people. It was impossible for the two doctors, for the 150 doctors to cope. We gave 10,000 glasses, we gave medicine to the 70,000 people. We dewormed 25,000 children who were given medicines to get our worms out of their body. And then the remaining 60, 70,000 on the last day, the doctors couldn't even leave until one in the morning.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

It is very overwhelming. But then November this year, we're off to another city.

[April Simons]

Well.

[Joni Lamb]

And you know what? When you preach the gospel, the blessing of God is on it. When you lead people to Jesus. Amen.

[April Simons]

I just think it's amazing. I've really never heard anybody do that. You know, I've seen it done in different elements, but, man, I just think. I think it's amazing. Yay to you.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Thank you.

[Joni Lamb]

I'm truly speechless. I mean, what you're talking about is massive.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

And you have to be organized and trained. I mean, there's so many pieces that has to go into this. It's just amazing that when God is in it, he sees everything through it. Because apparently you've been able to accomplish everything because of God.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yeah. It's so massive. We have to start in February for The November Crusade. And for the moment, because of the. We can only do one in a year.

[April Simons]

Where do you get the doctors and nurses? Do they come?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

There are doctors in the country, but we pay. So we tell them we would pay you because it was pro bono. Some might not show. We pay the doctors, we pay the nurses, we pay everyone. It's the surgeons whom we bargain with and say, hey, we know how much you surgeons will charge. Could you just be nice and take what we would pay you? And they work with us. But again, kudos to the churches because the converts are handed to the churches and the city. Last year we had 20,000 souls in four or five days and we handed them over. Those churches gave us 7,000 volunteers. And what we do for the volunteers is provide lunch every day for 5 to 7,000 volunteers. Because the Crusade is crazy. There's no break time other than the night. During the daytime, we're distributing. The stadium is packed. And just like you say, how do you manage this? Just crowd control costs us so much. Because one of the greatest challenge of poor people is stampede. Even where you give an assurance that what you have on your table is enough, they still have a feeling that, hey, might not get to my turn. So there's always a stampede. So we spent so much money in crowd control and we have 250 policemen and 50 soldiers. I mean, I wanted more soldiers, but the guy was the commandant. The commandant of the military barracks said, why do you need more than 50 soldiers? I said, because of the crowd. He said, we go to war with 50. Where are you going with 100?

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

I love that this was a desire that you always had in your heart, but it isn't something that the Lord did immediately. There was a fortifying season. There was valley seasons, there was struggle, there were trials. There was so much that you had to get through.

[Joni Lamb]

That doesn't always preach well, if that's the truth.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

But what would you say to that person who has this big dream and vision for their life, but they're still stuck in the valley right now?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

I think the Bible is so powerful, perfect, when he says provision is for an appointed time. The challenge of the English language is that it is only 600 years old. So it uses the word time for everything. In Hebrew, the word for appropriate season is zaman, which is kairos in the Greek, which means the right season. I mean, I went into ministry when I was 22, and I didn't start this crusade until I was 70.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

That's when I went into ministry. I was 22. You believe. That's amazing.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

That's amazing.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

So I had to wait this long. In fact, some people were wondering, you should be retiring. You're holding a crusade of this magnitude.

[Joni Lamb]

But you look so young. I would have never seen.

[April Simons]

But with a man with of your experience, life experience, ministry experience. Obviously people look to you and see a man that they. And so you have to have lots of people come alongside. And financially, that's a huge amount of money. How does that come about?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

I guess the number one when it comes to the timeline, I guess the integrity over the years helps. When you go to a city and you call on the church fathers and say, we can't do this alone, we need you, then they remember, okay, this is a man of integrity whom we've always known to work with you. But when it comes to the finance, because I had always known I hold this kind of crusade, I started a business on the side and the first crusade was bankrolled 900% by me. The second one I would say probably 85%. I'm hoping that this next one because it's bigger, we're putting out adverts out there, we get a response. But. But we're committed to doing it. But there are people who are now kind of getting to the vision. Yes. Be part of it. Because people are saying, we've never seen anything like this. But it does make sense that you're able to touch the needy people in a way that others have not done in the past.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. And we want to give you from the show today $50,000.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Thank you very much for that. We'll put that in the medicines.

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah.

[Joni Lamb]

There are others that watching. If you'd like to help Pastor Matthew, I can just tell you that he is a reputable man that's doing a great job there in these crusades in Africa. What one or two of the miracles that stand out that you've seen happen in these crusades?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Some of the miracles we've seen, particularly when I first started going to Ghana, these guys said, I'm not their student, I'm the senior evangelist. So one of such crusades, one of the nights when I had finished ministering, we had some amazing healings. We had a 32 year old lady who had never spoken or heard. She spoke. She heard there was a boy who was 16 spoke and heard he was also deaf mute.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

It was a miracle then. But then we had some crazy miracles also. We had distributed a local food made out of cassava or manioc. It's called Gary. You could Pour it on water and drink like you're having oats. And were distributed and the woman in her own time had some of it and all the rashes on her body disappeared. So she ran to the chief's house. I said, what kind of crazy people are these people? Even their Gary is healing my body.

[Joni Lamb]

That is amazing. That's amazing.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

We've seen all kinds of miracles. We've seen the lame walk, we've seen eyes open. Last year an old woman heard about the crusade, was very indigent, no money, and yet her 40 year old son is blind. So she went to do some cheap labor to get money to be able to get them to the stadium. And her son's eyes were open.

[Joni Lamb]

Wow. Amazing.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

And they were Muslims.

[Joni Lamb]

Amazing.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

For me that was like if nothing else happened here, this is enough.

[Joni Lamb]

Would you just take a moment and pray for someone that's watching right now? And you've got sickness or disease in your body and you need the Lord to touch you. This is like a divine moment for you as you listen to this. Your faith has been built up and God wants to touch you today and he can do that right here in America. He can do it in any country in the world that's watching. But we want to see God touch you in a special way. And this is someone that you've not been around anything like this before. You don't really totally understand. But I'm telling you, the is going to come right there in that room where you are. Pastor Matthew.

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

Yes. The Bible says Jesus Christ the same yesterday and today and forever, still works, still heals, he still delivers, and nothing can reduce that. So we want you to believe and to know that God will touch you and meet you at the point of your need. Father, in the name of Jesus, we pray for everyone who's watching right now, wherever they are, that you, Jesus will step into their homes, their houses, their cars, wherever they are, minister to them, set free, set the captives free, heal the sick, give them uncommon, unusual, supernatural miracle, give them an unusual testimony, exceed their expectations. In Jesus name, Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

Amen. Everybody said amen. Amen.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

I know that in Nigeria there's been.

[Joni Lamb]

A lot of persecution of the church. And what is your experience that you've seen?

[April Simons]

What is the state of, of the.

[Joni Lamb]

Church in the face of persecution in Nigeria?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

I think the unfortunate thing is that persecution is real, particularly in the north. But some of these persecutions are coming because again there is a revival. Young men and women are turning to Christ, particularly the tribes that were not known to receive Christ are actually turned into Christ. So there is a power reaction. There is a power reaction, but it hasn't stopped the gospel. It hasn't stopped the revival. Rather, it's igniting the people and making them to love the Lord more. So you find some people who go burn down the buildings belonging to Christians in the north in particular, in fact, attack, maim, etc. Etc. But the more they do it, the mother revival, the great, I mean, recently on TikTok, I was shocked to see this particular tribe that we had no record of any of them being born again. But they are the largest number who are coming to Christ, who love the Lord, who are receiving Christ. And, you know, they don't have a background of being in a church before they got born again. So their faith is raw. It is. It is crazy. They are ready to stand for Christ. So in the middle of the fire, they are growing for Christ.

[Joni Lamb]

And revival is happening in so many parts of the world. You want to be a part of that. And we're really proud of you for stepping out and excited about what you're going to be doing in Africa this year. Well, we are out of time. But don't y' all love his story? It's so good. But don't forget that the Great Commission wasn't just for a select few. It's for every believer. We have all been called to reach the lost, to carry the light of Christ and to make an eternal impact everywhere you go. If you're watching today and you need prayer, that's why that number's on your screen. We have prayer partners that are standing by ready to pray with you. If you haven't invited Jesus into your heart, it's very simple to do. Just say, jesus, forgive me. He will meet you right where you are. But I want to thank Pastor Matthew ishumelowo for joining us today. For more info, you can visit him online [e-mail] there's some of you that God's really blessed you. You could help fund his next revival and outreach there in Africa, where they're going to be doing all these amazing things. So you be obedient to do what the Lord asks you to do. As always, make sure to follow us on all social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content. Let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from you. Of course, you can also listen to the Joni Table Talk Talk podcast, available now on all major platforms. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you, Pastor Matthew. Let me know when you're anywhere close. We love you. Thank you and excited about what God's going to do this year. We'll see you next time. Bye bye for today.

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[Dan Steiner]

You.

[Joni Lamb]

So what does it truly mean to hear Jesus say, well done, good and faithful servant at the end of your life? Like, are you going to hear that? Am I going to hear that? Well, today's guest is here to share how you can live with an eternity mindset from his new book, Hearing Jesus say well Done. The secret to securing heaven's Rewards. We're going to talk about that. A lot of people don't know about that. But before we get to that, joining me around the table is April Simons. Who wants to hear well done?

[April Simons]

I definitely do that. Marcus Lamb and my dad heard well done for sure. They just lived a life that was pleasing to God, not a perfect life. And you know, it's not about perfection. It's just about relationship and doing what God's called us to do.

[Joni Lamb]

Right. It's about connecting to the one who created us.

[Dan Steiner]

Exactly.

[Joni Lamb]

It's about allowing God to do things in us. It's like taking our natural and putting his super with it.

[Dan Steiner]

Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

That's a good way to say it. And you know, Johnny and Akenia, welcome. Thank you. With your bright, beautiful self today. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I often ask myself in the midst of stress or too much going on, I say, wait a minute, what does this count towards eternity?

[Pastor Matthew Ishumelowo]

And then that helps me get back.

[Joni Lamb]

In the right mindset of whether it's really that urgent or that important or, you know, I can just think about it, you know. Rachel Lamb Brown, welcome to the table. I can remember interviewing people in near death experiences where they died and maybe came back. And so many of them would say, you know, when you get a heavenly perspective, you understand that some of the things that you think are really important on earth aren't nearly as important as some other things are.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

Yeah. And I think sometimes it can be difficult, especially for people that are like, in the here and now and focusing on what's right in front of them. But it's so important that as believers, we live with an eternal perspective. And whenever someone you love goes on to be with the Lord, I think it becomes a little bit more clear. And so I know for us, like when dad passed away, it was just like this new, like, fervor and just passion to just reach as many people as we could. And that's what we're continuing to do and honor him and his legacy and continuing on.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, I mean, that's something that we all hope for. And Dorothy, I want to hear well done. I mean, I'm sure I missed it, but I want to hear well done. Oh, I do, Jonas. So much, you know, I think of, you know, God, the beginning of life, God at the end, and in between is this dash and now. And the dash is living life as preparation for eternity, because I want that reward more than anything. So the focus is here. The focus is looking here to forever, to just be with him forever. That's such a beautiful thing. And sometimes with life, life seems so chaotic, but we can't lose focus because that's the ultimate reward. God is the ultimate reward. That's true. Cindy Johnson. Well done, good and faithful servant.

[April Simons]

Oh, do I want to hear that.

[Joni Lamb]

That song? Oh, I wanna see you look upon his face. We always sing of a song.

[April Simons]

Yep, we always do. But I do. I want him to look at me and see things in my life that really mattered. I think I do a lot of things probably that don't really matter, but I love the fact that we're focusing on this today, that we need to do better and be more intentional about how we live our lives and the impact that we have, because that's what matters.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah, exactly. It's true. It's true. And you, as the pastor's wife, I have seen you so unselfishly give of yourself to people over and over and over, and I know that you will hear well done one day because you've always had that heart. Dan Steiner, welcome to the table.

[Dan Steiner]

My joy to be here. All right.

[Joni Lamb]

You want to hear well done, too? You wrote a book about it right here.

[Dan Steiner]

It's the most important part of our lives. If you ask 99% of the people, like all of you, what they want to hear, the first words Jesus say when you make it there, you know, well done, good and faithful servant. You've been faithful over a few things. I'll make you ruler over many. Enter into the joy of your master. There's like, three components there. There's first, the commendation, well done, good and faithful. Good and faithful. Like when you, like, hear Jesus say you were good and faithful.

[Joni Lamb]

Right.

[Dan Steiner]

And then you've been faithful. Just a few things, ruler over many.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah.

[Dan Steiner]

Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

I want to talk about that. I want to talk about what the rewards, because we don't talk a lot about that. You know, life's goal isn't just salvation. That's the most important prayer you could pray.

[Dan Steiner]

Amen.

[Joni Lamb]

Is to invite Jesus into your heart right now and say, jesus, I know you died on the cross for me. I'm a sinner, and I'm asking you to forgive me. Come into my heart right now. Forgive me. That's the most important prayer, okay? Salvation. But beyond that, okay? Many of you prayed that prayer. Some of you haven't. And I pray you just prayed it. But it's also faithfulness until the end. And of course, Dan Steiner has devoted his life to helping others do just that. He's here to show us how to live in a way that honors God now and secures the eternal rewards he's promised. You know, we are eternal beings that were created to live forever. So at the time that a sperm and an egg meet, an eternal soul is created, okay? And so we can't be. We're indestructible. A lot of people don't. But we've been placed in time, okay? We're in time. God isn't in time. He sees time past, present, future, simultaneously. But we've been placed in time. And so this is. The Bible says it was really. I mean, I've heard some people say this life is just a stepping stone to the life to come, right? But we want to be faithful in time because this life is so important. It determines where we'll spend eternity. Well, I mean, we know we're going to spend eternity with the Lord, but we will be judged for the gifts and calling that God has put on the inside of us, those that allow those to be surrendered to him and used by him for this season, for this time. I think that that's important for people to hear that and understand, not just to get in by the hair of your chinny chin chin or pray the prayer on your deathbed y to heaven, but beyond that. People will be rewarded for their obedience and their faithfulness. And you kind of caught a glimpse of that, right?

[Dan Steiner]

It's right there in Scripture. And I wish it was portrayed more openly and frequently in our churches that we'll all stand before the judgment seat of Christ to be of account for the deeds done in the body, whether good or evil, says in 2 Corinthians 5. And that judgment will be a judgment by the presence of God, which is in the form of a fire. Then our works will either be gold, silver, or precious stones or wood, hay, and stubble, and the day will determine it says what sort or what manner of work they are. And the Apostle Paul precedes that passage with what really qualifies, because what's the difference, you know, in eternity between wood, hay, and stubble, which you don't want to be, and gold, silver, and precious stones, which you do? Well, Paul says, before he says and describes the beam of seat of Christ, the judgment seat, the reward seat of Christ. He says in a seat about condemnation or bad things you've done. Jesus took care of that at Calvary. Now you're in. Now your existence for a billion years, on the first day, for a timeless eternity are going to be determined by what you have done and its relevance to what Paul said. I've laid a foundation in other manner. Man, that's us and woman builds on it. And no other man, no other foundation can be laid except that which has been laid, which is Jesus Christ.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. And you know, I wanted to just qualify that by saying that for people watching, we think about Billy Graham. Obviously he had gold. You know, he had like. I mean, I'm sure he heard, well done. He was, he was a surrendered life that won millions of people to Jesus. Okay. But I think what we're looking for here more than anything else is your obedience to allow God to use you. Whether that's a mother who's raising five amazing children that gives her all and is obedient to train them up and they go on and do great things, she's going to get just as much a reward as a Billy Graham or someone else. It doesn't mean the vastness of what you do or how many souls you win. It's more about being obedient with the gifts and callings that God has placed on the inside of you. So if you're obedient to that, if you're faithful to that, then you're going to receive the same reward. I think that's important because some people think, oh, I could never be Billy Graham or I could never do that. And they almost be like, mine's going to be stubble. No, it's not. It's about obedience, isn't it?

[Dan Steiner]

It is. In fact, Jesus said, he said, as many of you as give one cup of cool water will not lose in my name, will not lose your reward. It doesn't have to be something complex. Nobody's. We keep looking at preachers, they actually don't win a lot of souls to Christ. But that mother that raises all of her family to be preachers and to be God fearing people. Wow.

[Joni Lamb]

Her reward gives them selfishly. Who cooks breakfast, lunch and supper? I think about my mom. She was so unselfish to just love all of us. She raised me, you know, but I mean, she would get up and make breakfast, go to work, come home, make dinner. I mean, it was just amazing. And I look at, you know, her children and the fruit that she has from that as well. So you said it's really important to make the distinction between salvation by grace that's really given y'. All. Jesus did it on the cross. You don't have to work for that. There are so many other religions that you have to work your way to heaven. Not with Christianity. Jesus did it all. But we're talking today about rewards by works after you have made it to heaven. Okay. Because it's like we don't hear a lot of talk about that. So just expound on it a little bit more. The secret to securing heaven's rewards.

[Dan Steiner]

Jesus said, blessed are those who die in the Lord from now on and their works do follow them. And so we can actually take something in heaven. And that's the self sacrificial life that we live, like you've described with your mother and those works. Jesus said, behold, I come quickly and my reward is with me to give unto everyone according to what they have done. And so we've got two things happening here. We've got the work of Calvary and Christ dying for our sins. And as you said, Joni, at the beginning of our program here, if you've not made that profession, that's the most important decision you can ever make in your life. That gets you in. We want to be in. But then the works and the life that you lived will be rewarded. And there's a magnificent set of escalatingly great rewards elucidated in the book of Revelation that are just beyond our mind to even conceive of the magnificence of an extravagant God. When God does everything, he does it really big. Look at the expanding universe, the Pacific Ocean, and think of the kind of rewards that he can give us for just being faithful, good and faithful servant in our lives. A few of those rewards, you know, you get to eat of the Tree of Life. We got kind of kicked out back in the garden from eating of that thing.

[Joni Lamb]

First Adam kind of messed it up.

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah, man, thanks. Yeah. But now we get, because of the second Adam to eat the tree again. To have your name, not book, blotted out of the book of life, to walk with him and wife, to have an introduction to the Father and his angels, your name confessed before the Father and his angels, to rule over the nations, to inherit all things. These are promises just like any other promise in the word of God to those who overcome in this life the worries and riches and cares of our life, particularly in the Western culture, kind of eat away at our focus on what our true calling is, whether it's a mother, whether she's a faithful worker in the workplace, whether whatever God has called you to in your area of responsibility, to be faithful to who you are in Christ, that's all he's asking.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

What specifically do believers have to do in order to get certain rewards?

[Dan Steiner]

I mean the Lord says it both in the parable of the talents and the parable of the mina. The ones that brought increase were the ones that heard the words well done, good and faithful servant. The ones that didn't bring increase, not so much it didn't bring increase is.

[Joni Lamb]

Every time you lead someone to Jesus.

[Dan Steiner]

That's exactly right.

[Joni Lamb]

Every time you preach the gospel, that's increased.

[Dan Steiner]

Yes, that's the best form I think of increase. The last words of our captain and commander, Jesus Christ, before he rocketed off the earth like iron man, I think on the mount of Ascension. His last words, ye, that's you and me, will be my witnesses. It says in the parable that the master is going away into a far country which is symbolic of Jesus. Right. And he called his servants to him, gave 1 5, 12 and 11 and then he left immediately, which Jesus did. And then when he came back after a long time, it's been a while, right. He called his servants into account and the one that had five and the one that had two doubled it. And those are the ones that heard well done, good and faithful servant.

[Joni Lamb]

That goes against the political narrative that we hear today. It's like you should, the one that went out and multiplied, we should steal from him and give to the one that buried. But it's totally against the biblical principle. That's not the way Jesus looked at it.

[Dan Steiner]

Just like I would say all of the they say progressive, I would say digressive political side that is against capitalism and all the good things that God has really put in order. There's biblical basis of the geo Christian ethic behind our country and the reason that God has blessed it. It's all biblical, but it is based on increase. To answer your question, it's about us bringing increase with our lives, with the things that God have given us. Now this talent that he gave to each of his servants was no small thing. It was like 20 years of labors. Like monetarily $1.6 million really being symbolic of. I'm giving you a life here. What are you going to do with that? Are you going to increase it? Or are you going to let the worries, riches and cares, bigger house, bigger boat, bigger whatever or how about your unsafe relatives? How about your unsafe co workers? How about the next person that you meet on the street? Our life is full of daily opportunities.

[April Simons]

I have a question. What's your take on living your best life now versus living your best life forever? Because we all want to live our best life now. But what's your take? I see you contrast it.

[Dan Steiner]

So one is about, you know, being the best we can be here on earth. The other is about laying up what Jesus commanded, which he said, do not lay up treasures on earth where moth and rust corrupt and thieves break in and steal. Be mindful of about doing things that will live on beyond you into eternity and that will echo throughout the years. Our passing into heaven is the birthday of our eternity. It was said by Jim Elliot, he is no fool, right. That gives up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

[Joni Lamb]

And he's the missionary, right?

[Dan Steiner]

Right.

[Joni Lamb]

Tell his story.

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah, so magnificent story where. Where he's in the lap of wealth and societal recognition and leaves all of that to go to this cannibalistic tribe that eat people, you know, to evangelize them. And you know, they worked for years, you know, dropping things to them and him and three or four other guys. And the day came when they felt like they had gained their affection. And so they landed the plane and they're there on the beach and they didn't gain their. They spared them to death instead they gave their lives to reach.

[Joni Lamb]

And then the wives went back.

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[Dan Steiner]

Elizabeth Elliot, several years later and won them to Christ. And you know, it's really.

[Joni Lamb]

Isn't that amazing? Such a great story.

[Dan Steiner]

It's fantastic.

[Joni Lamb]

It is.

[Dan Steiner]

And you know, one of the guys that was there when they killed Jim Elliot and the other guys years later, after he had been saved, as the story goes, and see if I can get pretty close here. They played a song during one of the programs and he said, that was the song that I heard the angels sing that were in the trees when we were killing those guys. Like this guy actually saw and heard angels while they were. And the reason that was, I believe, is because that was that back in the early 1900s, I think really launched the modern missionary movement by these young well heeled young men giving up everything for Jesus and launched the mission.

[Joni Lamb]

I just want to say that, you know, when you're obedient to do what God has called you to do, whether that's to be a teacher, a lawyer, whether it's to be a doctor, a nurse, whatever that is, it doesn't mean that you're going to have to leave that and go be a missionary and be martyred. Okay, but that was Jim's story. I mean, he was called to missions and made huge impact. Of course, there was a movie made on it and everything, so. And such a great, great story. But it's so important, Cindy, to understand that when we connect with the one who created us in the this lifetime in time, because we're in time right now, we're not always going to be in time. Eternity's a long time, folks. A long, long time. But while we're here, that we be obedient to what he's called us to do. And that can be a myriad of so many different things.

[April Simons]

Well, I was thinking about my husband and the impact that he is having. He's a pastor and that God has allowed us to do. But it started with two women in Fort Worth that had a home. They were both widowed and they decided, they asked God what they could do and he said, give me your home. So they opened up their home to men in Fort Worth that would, they would give them room and board. But they prayed that if they didn't accept Jesus within six months, they'd move out. And one of those men was my father in law.

[Dan Steiner]

Oh, wow.

[April Simons]

And they gave what they had. They were obedient to the Lord. And it's not always about just preaching the gospel.

[Joni Lamb]

And then the father in law would be called to ministry.

[April Simons]

Yes.

[Joni Lamb]

Then he would have a son that would be called to ministry.

[April Simons]

And then his grandsons were in ministry, his daughter was in ministry. But there were like 15, I believe 15 to 20 men that came out of that house in Fort Worth that went into full time ministry. So think of the multiplication of what that one decision that those women made.

[Joni Lamb]

Those two women that's given to their account in heaven, they don't understand. People don't understand that they were actually the ones who were preaching. But it's laid to their account, really.

[Rebecca Lamb Weiss]

I mean, what we're talking about here is legacy. How important is that?

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah, you know, this is the opportunity that's unique to the Christians that we can do things that will not only last in our lifetime, but beyond our lifetime and then into eternity. And as you've said, we're all created at the moment of creation as an eternal soul. And we'll live forever, either in heaven or not in heaven. And we as Christians, it's as if we had like this little pillbox and in it was secure to a deadly disease. Every time it kills, every time it's Even worse than the Corona hoax, that we have the cure too. It's called the Gospel, and everybody's got the disease. And it's called suicide sin. And we have that opportunity to give that to people. The Christian life is action. It's not a debating or an academic exercise, but it is a doing. There's only one thing and one thing on this earth that has eternity stamped on it. Thoughts pass away, resolves and opinions change. But what we do for Jesus Christ, that and that only for eternity, that's our legacy. And we can then plant that legacy through those, through the Gospel and other.

[Joni Lamb]

People that lives on for eternity. I think the important thing here is also to note that God will never override free will. So he gives us a choice. Yes, he paid the price for our sins by sending his son to die on the cross. And that's what we're talking about, the Gospel, like it's free gift. Why in the world would you not receive it and just allow God to do a tremendous work in your life? That's what he wants to do. But if you did pray that prayer and invite Jesus in, I think so important to get a Bible and a Bible that you can understand. But we would love to send you the Book of John as a way to start. And if you prayed that prayer, if you invited Jesus in, if you, if you, you know, don't read the Bible, if you haven't, this is the perfect time for you to call that number and we're going to send you the Book of John. Well, we're going to talk more with Dan Steiner when we come back. Stay right there. Some books deserve to be held, cherished, remembered. This one is more than that. It's a place to meet God. The new Bible and journal bundle is designed to help you slow down, reflect, reflect and listen. Paired with a journal that gives you space for your prayers, your questions and your journey. Get yours today for just [e-mail] Bible or call now to order. Okay, so there's someone watching right now. They've almost like come under a little conviction because they're like, you know, I haven't really asked the Lord what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm just kind of doing my own thing. But I love Jesus. It's ever too late to begin again or to start moving into what God has put on the inside of you that maybe you haven't even realized yet. Good question.

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah, it's really true. And I think the fact that you're listening right now is indicating. And if there's that conviction that God is giving you that opportunity to begin afresh and anew in your life, this is not an accident that you're listening to this program. It's an appointment by God for you to say, you know, what has God given into my care? Who are those that God has called me to love into the kingdom? And there's always an opportunity to start. God honors a repentant heart for sure. And so it's never too late to start living that life of purpose and that life if you feel that small tug in your spirit to make some changes, that's why you're listening to the program today. And it's the Holy Spirit, he wants you to be all that he's called you to be. Because destiny of those that you love and those that you around may very well hang on your obedience. And so this isn't about condemnation, Jesus taking care of that. It's not about that. It's all about the destiny that he has called you to and God's call on your life and those that you have the opportunity to influence.

[Joni Lamb]

All right, quickly. Well done. This is the book everyone needs to get it. Such a great read. Lee Strobel said. Informative, inspiring, encouraging. But you talk about in the last chapter, a one week gospel assignment. You challenge everyone with that. What is that?

[Dan Steiner]

Well, we are daring everyone to make a bold prayer to the Lord.

[Joni Lamb]

Rachel likes dares, by the way.

[Dan Steiner]

Okay, here you go, Rachel, you know, say this. Lord, the next person you send into my life, make sure it's the person you want me to witness and talk about Jesus. Whether it's the person you bump to in the parking lot on your way out to the car, the person at the salon you know, the person at a restaurant that serves you believe that God has sent that person into your life. If we live a life of purpose. You know my favorite verse? Actually, I've got more than one. Don't tell anybody, but one of them is Acts 13:36, which says David, after he fulfilled God's purpose in his generation, was laid to rest with his fathers. Last part's Mobery, but the first part's really awesome that, you know, he had a purpose for David and he fulfilled that purpose. We each have that purpose. And God is sending people into each of our lives today to witness to and for them to live forever. We've got the secret of eternity, the secret that people can live forever. Why would we not want to share that?

[Joni Lamb]

Anna, can you imagine if everyone were to pray that Prayer. Every Christian say, okay, the next person you send, I'm just going to believe it's the person I need to tell about you. Well, we just have revival. We would. And the gates of heaven would celebrate. And again, you know, those are late to our account. Those plant the seed, those that water it, those that see it grow and reap the fruit from it. It's a collective kind of opportunity that we have. And we have to understand that, you know, it's okay that even if we witness to that person, maybe they don't receive Jesus at that point. Maybe they're like, you know, I'm not really ready. But that shouldn't keep you from planting the seed, because I hear so many stories about, well, this person said this, I said, no, and then I thought about it, and then they prayed the prayer later. Right. So don't be discouraged if you don't get a win on that first one. Right.

[Dan Steiner]

It's really true. At the very beginning, I've already talked about the gold, silver, and precious sons. He says, I sowed another water, but God is the one that gave the increase. So we just have to be faithful with what he gives us to sow. And, you know, holy boldness is a great thing to be able to be thinking on purpose in our lives in every situation that life's short and God's bringing us into this opportunity for his specific purpose and for his timing.

[Joni Lamb]

Yeah. Listen, we are out of time, but I want you to remember, think about living your life with eternity in mind. And you heard what I said. We were all created to live forever. However, we're living in time. But there is an eternity beyond time. And when we die, we will face eternity. It's a long, long time. And we want to bring glory to God and advance his kingdom on the earth. And so I want you to really think about what we've talked about. Stay faithful, stay focused. Keep saying yes to sharing the gospel with those around you. Some of you have been challenged. Even, like, with some family members, you're just like, ah, I just don't really want to listen. There's a way to talk about it and be kind and loving. And again, just plant that seed. You know, maybe you can just pray with them. Is there anything I can pray with you about? The Holy Spirit can give you an open door. And the more you do it, the better you get at it. Right. Because some people are shy, you know, but, you know, again, God will bring the right people across your path, and you may be the person that's really going to share the gospel with them. Well, if you're watching today and you need prayer, that's why the number's on the screen. We have amazing prayer partners that are standing by ready to pray with you. If you prayed the prayer of salvation, invited Jesus into your heart, call that number. We're going to send you the Book of John and that'll be a blessing to you. But I do want to thank Dan for joining us. To get a copy of his book, know more about his ministry, visit danielsteiner.org and as always, make sure to follow us on all social media. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive content and let us know how Table Talk is touching your life. We love hearing from all of you. I pray that this program today has been a blessing to you and that you've got a little bit of an eternal perspective about what's going on and really how important you are in this life. You can also, of course, listen to the Joni Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms. Be sure and tell everybody about that. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you, ladies. Thank you, Dan.

[Dan Steiner]

I plead pleasure.

[Joni Lamb]

I think we've all been challenged. We're all going to go with the first person that comes. I'm ready. Okay. All right. Well, we'll see you next time. We love you. God bless you.

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[Joni Lamb]

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