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Just the News No Noise John Solomon and Amanda Head, September 11th, 2025
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John Solomon
Good evening, America. Welcome to the Thursday edition of Just the News. No noise. It's another solemn night for all of us here at Real America's Voice as we mourn the passing of our great colleague Charlie Kirk. I'm John Solomon reporting to you as always from the nation's capital. At this hour, we are awaiting more information from the FBI. The manhunt for Charlie, Karl Kirk's assassin. I can tell you that Kash Patel has personally left New York and is on his way. He'll be in Utah. You would expect an announcement there soon. Meanwhile, the Bureau has made significant progress in their search. They also found two unspent ammunition cartridges that had inscriptions that suggested there is some far left ideology involved in this shooting. A clue towards a potential motive. Some of it's been described as anti fascist. Some more transgenderism. I'm not so sure about that second one, but that's what's out there right now. Now officials also told us that adjust the news that they're examining the conduct of one or more people in the crowd at the Utah event to figure out if there were any accomplices, including specific questions that were asked just before Charlie was shot. Those are some of the things that are ongoing. In other words, they know a lot, but they do not have a clear identity for the suspect. How do we know that? Because the FBI issued a reward of $100,000 for information leading to Charlie Kirk's assassin. Normally when the FBI puts out a photo, it means that the photos that they do have don't match any databases. No driver's license, no passports, no yearbook photos, no school IDs. And so that means they're at a little bit of a crossroads trying to find the shooter. At least they have the photo. They have a lot of forensic evidence. But right now we're waiting for updates. With that, let me turn to my amazing co host Amanda Head who has many other headlines on this tragic day, both historically and right now in this moment.
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Amanda Head
Yeah, John, we're going to talk about some of this a little bit later on in the show, but I don't want to wait that long to show you some of it because it's pretty ridiculously ridiculous. But the media absolutely embarrassed themselves in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's tragic assassination. Yesterday we showed you some of what Matt Dowd said yesterday, who was fired by MSNBC afterwards. But it wasn't just blowhard leftist media types. It was also politicians. Here's Democrat Congressman Seth Moulton for Example here is what he found was appropriate to say after the assassination.
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David Bozell
So let's be serious about where this.
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Colonel Rob Manus
Violence is coming from. Of extremist, violent attacks in America.
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David Bozell
Extremist violence, violent murders, 76% are from right wing extremists. 4% are from left wing extremists.
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Colonel Rob Manus
I condemn that 4%.
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David Bozell
But we also need to be honest.
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Colonel Rob Manus
About, as a nation about where this.
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David Bozell
Violence is coming from.
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Amanda Head
So it is the right's fault for the surge in political violence. But that really isn't an observation that I've been able to make in the stats that he cited that the right is most responsible for political violence. I think he's going to have a hard time citing that. It's quite nuanced.
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John Solomon
I think our colleague Jerry Dunleigh is going to have a really good starting this tomorrow. I think you're right. There might be a little revisionist history tomorrow for some of those journalists. We'll see.
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Amanda Head
Indeed. Indeed. And he wasn't the only one Here was Illinois's Governor J.B. pritzker reacting to Charlie Kirk's assassination as well.
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John Solomon
It's got to stop. And I think there are people who are fomenting it in this country. I think the president's rhetoric often foments it. We've seen the January 6th rioters who clearly, you know, have tripped a new era of political violence.
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Amanda Head
Oh, boy. We are still going with Jansex. Boy. And what may be even worse than both of those here is Congresswoman Ilhan Omar talking about Charlie. Take a listen to what she was focused on after his death. There are a lot of people who are out there talking about him, just wanting to have a civil debate.
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John Solomon
A.
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Amanda Head
Yeah.
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David Bozell
There is nothing more effed up, you.
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Amanda Head
Know, like, than to completely pretend that, you know, his words and actions have not been recorded and in existence for the last decade or so. I think that I can find something more effed up than Charlie Kirk's words and actions. The fact that they assassinated him. I think that that's pretty effed up for encouraging peaceful debate on college campuses. And I would challenge the congresswoman to find a debate where Charlie actually shot someone down with words or otherwise or belittled them or made them feel like they were less than he challenged with ide and his intellect. And I don't think she's going to find a video to challenge that. But John, I don't see this rhetoric winning the hearts and minds of the American people. I've already seen posts from folks who say that's it. I'm no longer moderate.
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John Solomon
If your party's best representative to talk about Charlie Clark is Ilhan Omar, you are short on your bench of people to bring out onto the news media. But that's all I'll say to that. All right. We're not short on the bench. We have some incredible guests for you tonight. And we are going to kick off our show with someone that is always eloquent and by the way, has had the passion of young students at his career for much of it. He's a former coach, current Alabama Senate. He's our good friend Tommy Tuberville. We talked to him a little while ago. We want you to watch this. All right, folks, joining us now, a man who helped educate and coach generations of young Americans. Now he's an US Senator from Alabama and soon to be the next governor of Alabama. I suspect he's the leading candidate, our good friend coach Tommy Tapperville. Coach, good to have you back on, sir.
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Tommy Tuberville
Thank you, John. Thanks both. Thanks for having me on difficult time. But you know, we keep moving on and that's exactly what Charlie would have wanted.
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John Solomon
Yeah, there's no doubt he wouldn't wanted us to have rested for a moment. Sir, you've been on these college campuses for a long time. You mentored so many thousands and thousands of football players and students. When something happens like this on a college campus, how do you get students back? And also how do you make it a learning moment to crush that hatred that clearly was behind this attack?
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Tommy Tuberville
Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of these universities are going to pull the plug on anybody going on campus in any situation or venue. Like Charlie had been going on, you know, and he brought out both sides. He brought up because he wanted to debate not just the believers, but people that that were on you call it the other side, believed in something different. But you'll find out now college campuses will find ways to not do things like this. Obviously, they won't be in any stadiums outside venues. It's going to be tougher and tougher for us to get our voice out. But you know, when a tragedy like this happens, you know, the worst comes out of people. And again, I'm not saying everybody on these college campuses are bad. I'm just saying they look for the worst circumstances in which to say, okay, we don't want to be liable for this. We're going to pull the plug and who do we need to reach the most? It's the kids on these college campuses because they're being brainwashed, they're being taught different things. And Charlie was just another voice. There was another voice out there that, that, you know, he wasn't. He wasn't trying to be berate anybody or downgrade anybody. He was just telling his side of the truth and trying to reach people that believed in something else.
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John Solomon
Yeah, no doubt.
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Amanda Head
Senator, you followed in the footsteps at Auburn of people like Sugar and Pat Dye, people who deeply believe that at college, that's when. When students are impressionable, and that's when you can build not only great players, but great men. And I'm seeing a lot of professional athletes out there tweeting positive things about Charlie Kirk, positive things about the civil discourse that he encouraged. That was kind of the genius of Turning Point and the genius of folks like you who served on college campuses to impression young men and women.
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Tommy Tuberville
Yeah, Charlie and I spoke about this about, I guess a little over a week ago on one of his shows about reaching out to young college people about education and about other things. Well, you have to remember now, college campuses, it's the first time most of these kids are away from home. For the first time, they're listening to other people other than people that either they've grown up with in their neighborhoods or their families. Now they're getting a real bite of the apple when it comes to the real world, when you get out there with people with different opinions. And we needed somebody like Charlie, in which he took the bull by the horns and went out and said, listen, you know, there's more One way to skin a cat. But he wasn't afraid to do it. And he had the gift. God gave him the gift to talk, to debate, to reason. And again, he didn't get across to everybody, but he tried. And that was. We needed that on campuses. That wasn't. Somebody wasn't a college graduate, he wasn't a professor. He was just a common Christian American. And he really resonated to a lot of these kids across the country.
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John Solomon
Yeah, we don't have all the facts in yet, but we do have some new evidence today suggesting a far liberal ideology was inscribed on the weaponry used to kill Charlie. There is a growing segment of the far left that has a level of intolerance that we might not have seen in generations past, that killing is just another objective to silencing your enemies. How do we counter that? How do we have a national conversation on either side to make sure that this isn't the way we settle our political disputes going forward?
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Tommy Tuberville
Well, it's going to be hard. You know, the rhetoric is really high. You know, and you know well as I do being in D.C. john, this place up here, the rhetoric is real high, but you got to remember, history books are filled with cowards that couldn't win reason by any other way than violence. Okay? That's the way I look at it. There's a lot of cowards out there, and if they can't win, they result to something else. And we've seen a lot of our politicians, our leaders across the country and even around the world that have lost their lives because people just can't stand not being able to win at reasoning, at talking, debating. And so they take drastic measures. And it's just unfortunate something like this has happened to a young man that's 31 years old and has a very, very young family. It's a tragedy at its worst. And again, we'll talk about this for weeks and weeks and weeks to come. But at the end of the day, what would Charlie want? Somebody's got to take the bull by the horn and continue this dialogue because we cannot be shut out from college campuses. If that happens, we lose. And we can't lose these young 18 to 23 year olds to an ideology that does not fit Christianity, our Constitution, and the American dream.
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Amanda Head
Senator, there seems to be, to me at least a perceptible shift in culture and the reaction to this because you've got this dean of students at Middle Tennessee State University, mtsu, who was swiftly fired from their position because of comments, people who are out there, I mean, just absolutely gleeful and ghoulishly joyful over the death. And people, frankly, are getting fired left and right. And it seems like they're. Most Americans, including employers, are getting to the place where they're saying, enough is enough. We're not going to tolerate this. Hey, are you feeling that as well? And why is that?
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Tommy Tuberville
Well, I'm seeing it. We don't hear a lot about that up here. Now, we see a lot of these young people up here that are in the media and they have their own podcast and they work for all these networks. What I would like to see is for the right, the people that really believe in this country, the Constitution, just absolutely take their toys and go home and say no more of these mainstream media interviews, no more of these podcasts to try to teach people and try to talk people into something.
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David Bozell
It's not going to work.
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Tommy Tuberville
We've seen that. And you know, when it. When it comes to the really the truth, we all need to be preaching the truth on the channels like yours, like the podcast, like the, the, the news stations, the media, the cable news that actually believe in America or really give a, a view on both sides, but cranking and being able to uplift these, these ratings from our standpoint to these mainstream media agencies that care nothing about America, that care nothing about the future of this country, I'm done with it and I don't do any anyway. But I would love for my colleagues to do the same thing.
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John Solomon
Sir, before we let you go. You are a gentleman, just like Charlie Kirk was a gentleman. But there's a member, you serve in the Senate. He fell just a few hundred thousand votes shorter being our vice president in 2016, Senator Tim Kaine, who declared that the founding principle, the founding tenet of the Declaration of Independence that we're endowed with in a bill, lights of liberty from our crater is not right, that it really comes from our laws and government, that sentiment. I want to get your take on it because you are a very learned man.
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Tommy Tuberville
Well, it just goes to show you where we are with the fight with God in our country. You know, I was the first coach in 1995 at Ole Miss that hired a full time team chaplain. I actually paid for it either out of my pocket and from donations. And from that point we were able to train chaplains to go all over and be with young men and women across our campuses in all sports. And that, that grew now obviously on the left with, with senators like this that, that have for some reason forgotten why and how our country was built on Christian values. They forget those things. They, they take another avenue. And I think that avenue is because the far left has been preaching this rhetoric of, of destruction of the Constitution, of destruction of our country, our way of life, of free speech. I mean, it's just, it's about power and it's about control. And just unfortunately we've had senators like Tim Kaine and other senators that have stepped up and even beefed up the rhetoric. I saw some yesterday after, after the shooting and it's just, I don't know, I don't, I don't know where that comes from. But again, at the end of the day, reason has to take over somewhere. And if it doesn't, then we're going to continue to have these things happen.
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John Solomon
Yeah, you're exactly right. You are a leader of many firsts, whether it's hiring the first chaplain for a football team or I suspect, becoming the first Auburn football coach to become Alabama's governor. It's a great honor to have you on the show, sir. Thanks for joining us.
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Tommy Tuberville
Thank you guys.
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John Solomon
God bless you as well, sir. Thank you so much. All right folks, a lot more on this somber day after Charlie's assassination. We have a lot more coverage for you right after these messages.
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Amanda Head
Welcome back to Just the news. No noise. Today is the 24th anniversary of 9 11. I cannot believe it. A day that changed, of course, the. The course of American history and world history. So we are also coming off of another day that has seemingly changed the course of our nation's history, the assassination of our dear friend Charlie Kirk. So joining us now to discuss both of these events is United States Air Force veteran. He's also the host of the Rob Manus show and the founder and Chairman of Gator PAC, Colonel Rob Manus, who was at the Pentagon during the September 11, 2001 terror attacks. Colonel Manus, thanks so much for being with us.
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Colonel Rob Manus
Thanks for having me on. It's good to see you, John.
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John Solomon
And Amanda, good to be with you, sir.
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Amanda Head
I remember in the aftermath of 9 11, we came together as a country, ephemeral as it was, I suppose, and when you look at the grand scheme of things. But I don't know if that would happen today, do you?
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Colonel Rob Manus
You know, that's a good question. I don't really know, to be honest with you, considering the last day's events and everything that's going on, it's very tough to unify the United States of America right now. Amanda. You know, on 911 itself, I watched an. An Arab immigrant stop his car and walk over to breeding people trying to save lives just north of the Pentagon on the lawn there and start helping and pitching in. And he didn't have to do that. But you know what? He believes in America. I don't know that that would necessarily happen today based on the reactions that you're seeing in the media, the social media, to our good friend and great American Charlie Kirk's assassination.
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John Solomon
Colonel, we seem to sometimes find it hard to find our heroes today, people. We can celebrate now. Charlie clearly was one of them. But on that day in 9 11, I know you saw so many. I lived across the street from a guy named Major Vic Badami, and he ran into the burning Pentagon more than four dozen times to rescue injured colleagues, putting himself at great risk. President Bush eventually would honor him with an award. But you saw a lot of heroes those days, yourself included, remind us what happened that day, because sometimes we forget how good America can still be.
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Colonel Rob Manus
Yeah. You know what? Our armed forces were on a footing of our global nuclear command and control exercise. I worked in the Nuclear Operations Division on the joint staff for the Chairman and the Secretary of Defense and the President. And our aircraft, our personnel in our division were spread out all around the world at all of these command and control nodes. So that's what was happening in the Pentagon from my perspective at the time. And then the attacks began, and all of us in the national military command centers just started pitching in and trying to get information so the decision makers, the senior personnel, could start making decisions, especially when we realized that it was an attack on America. But you know the amazing thing, the folks that are in uniform in that building are amazing men and women. They have signed up to give a blank check up to include their life for the Constitution of the United States. And their work really is amazing. But the awesome thing that I saw that day was when I left the building and was told to evacuate, I didn't leave. I went outside and started helping. Folks like the gentleman you just talked about were those kind of people were bringing people out of the building that had been on fire, gravely injured. I met a man named Army Lt. Col. Brian Birdwell, who's now a state senator in Texas. That was one of the eight people or so that helped save his life. He was right where the aircraft hit. He was the executive officer to the army general and his staff that was killed right there. And he just happened to go to the restroom at the time the aircraft came in. So a concrete wall was between him and the aircraft, but he was badly burned, legs broken. I spoke to him for a little while until we got a good IV and some medical care to him and got him transported. But then the call came for people to go back inside to the courtyard to help fight the fire and see if we could save more lives. Because all of these injured were coming from the outside of the building, people going in from the outside ring. And so a couple hundred of us volunteered to go back in. And we went through a corridor to get into the courtyard. And I ended up working with them right at the point where the cockpit of the airplane broke through the wall and the C ring in the B ring, C ring alleyway for most of the rest of the day. Unfortunately, we didn't find any more live victims, but we did a lot of work to save the building, keep it from burning down, identify classified information. That aircraft hit the brand new Navy command center that was in that section of the building. So classified material was everywhere and identifying the aircraft itself. I was a trained aircraft safety investigator at the time. And so a lot of us were doing that kind of work, too. And we just worked to try to get the job done that day. And it was amazing because I saw from the lowest ranking enlisted person to generals all pitching in, getting on stretchers, you know, trying to fight fires, identifying material, and they, none of them ever said, hey, we need to leave. They all said, we're going in, we're going forward, and we're going to get this done. Because the very next day, most of us were back at work in the National Military Command center trying to identify who the people were that attacked us and helped develop the plan of what the response was going to be. And I was very fortunate to get to be a small part of that Amazing people.
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John Solomon
Colonel, you're one of them, by the way. I just want to say that what you did that day, I know you don't view yourself as a hero, but we view you as a hero.
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Amanda Head
Yes, we do. Colonel, when President Trump took office the first time, we were already at war in the Middle east as a result of 9, 11, for 15 years, he comes into office and almost eliminates the Islamic caliphate. Then four years later, Joe Biden comes to town and he kind of gives new life to the Taliban. What does it take under President Trump 2.0 to finish the job?
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Colonel Rob Manus
Well, unfortunately, one of the worst things that Biden did was he allowed all these Islamists to come into the inside the United States unvetted. And I'm going to link that to what happened to Charlie Kirk yesterday, because I believe, I know that Charlie, as a Christian, was leading with his faith. That's what was great about him, is that I admired him and I looked up to him as somebody. I may be older, but I felt like I was a younger Christian. That he was, because he was so good at leading with his Christian faith and not with a chip on his shoulder, but to try to help people understand America and the ideals that underpinned America, and to persuade people, which he was successful at doing, many, many times, persuading people that oppose those ideas to come to his side and our side and everything. And he had actually said something to the effect that Islam is the sword at the throat of America and it will kill us if we're not careful. And that is actually happening in this country. The foothold is here. The Democrat nominee for New York City's mayor's race is what's called a red green axis, the Marxist Islamist nexus of an ideology that comes together right there. He is both of those, and that should be getting everybody's attention. So President Trump's challenges is very great when we're facing the war in Ukraine that he's trying to end. He's trying to help Israel seek an end to this war against Hamas, which Hamas just needs to surrender at this point because Israel's got to fight for its own life and the existence of its own people. In my opinion, the President's trying to help support, but really that's on Israel to get done. And they're getting there. But the challenge for us is we see all of these and then that big adversary, the Chinese Communist Party, which is the red part of that red green axis. And it's having its influence inside the United States. And I'm very concerned that we are going to see not a 911 type event, but an event that's 10 times bigger than 9 11. A lot of intelligence personnel both inside and on the outside are saying that that's probably going to happen more likely than not. So we've got to be prepared for that. And I believe that Charlie Kirk was speaking out and he was being effective. He's an American and he's able to mobilize not just the 18 to 25 year old young men and women generation, but multiple generations. Look, I've talked to my 16 year old grandson, my 20 year old son and, and my 30 something year old son. All of them are avid followers and believers in Charlie Kirk and the ideas and the way he taught people and everything. So Charlie was effective at leading multiple generations of Americans that believe in the idea of American and our Christian foundation and they couldn't let that happen. That's why I believe there is a connection there between foreign influence, bad actors and the red green axis that are inside the United States. And there's potentially even Ukrainian influence because we know Charlie and people like Jack Posobec are on their hit list.
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John Solomon
Sir, before we let you go on that point of Charlie, we now know that the FBI has a photo of the man, but can't find him anywhere in any databases to match up, which suggests he was off the grid here. Give us your best assessment as an intelligence expert, as a military man, about whether this is a domestic or foreign or maybe a combination of two. What do you think may be behind this assassination plot that we saw unfold yesterday?
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Colonel Rob Manus
Well, it looks very familiar, doesn't it, John, when you look at it in the same context of the golf course assassin against Donald Trump and then the Butler, Pennsylvania assassin, they look very familiar. They're well resourced, they're well trained. They have access to multiple digital communications devices, money and bank accounts. And in this case, it was much better executed. So the training's gotten better. And I believe just like I believe the first two are operations of more than one person that are resourcing, training, planning, and then helping execute those operations, I believe the same thing is occurring here. The reason why the individual may not be any in any facial recognition databases is because he may never have had a driver's license in the United States of America. He may in fact be from somewhere else. We just don't know at this time. But the FBI and the national security intelligence agencies have to be looking at all probabilities and all possibilities in order to find out. And we've got to get this man arrested and incarcerated so he can't hurt anybody else.
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Amanda Head
Absolutely. Colonel, you are a patriot. You are a hero. And we appreciate you being here tonight, sir.
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Colonel Rob Manus
Well, thank you all and thank you for honoring Charlie Kirk too.
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John Solomon
Thank you, sir.
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Amanda Head
Thank you, sir. All right, everybody. Coming up next, more on the manhunt for the Charlie Kirk shooter. Stay with us.
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John Solomon
All right, we've been weighing in on the news of the day with a senator, a military hero. And now we're going to turn to someone who understands how the courts work and also the military. He's a former federal prosecutor as well as a US Marine. He is John Deaton. He joins us right now. John, great to have you on the show, buddy.
- [36:26]
John Deaton
Thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure, my friend.
- [36:29]
John Solomon
It's an honor to have you on. And you know how the law enforcement system works when when you have such a massive case as this and the stakes are high, 24 hours in, we've got a photo, but not an ID. We've got a gun. We've got some suggestions of motivation that may be ideological. Tell us with your learned eye and all the years in the criminal justice system, what are you seeing and where do you think this will ultimately end up?
- [36:55]
John Deaton
Well, I'd be very surprised, John, that if we don't have a suspect in custody in the next 48 hours, you know, a lot of people are making talking about this looking like a professional hit. I mean, 200 yards, isn't that Far with a high scoped rifle, if you practice, you can make that shot. But what suggests to me that this was a planned assassination is the fact that there was an exit plan. Clearly, instead of, you know, a last minute emotional decision to take action by a novice, there had to be people who assisted this person before and after the fact. And so I'm sure the FBI, taking down every lead they can and situation like this, they're going to get leads that go nowhere. But I'm pretty confident that they're going to get this guy and hopefully everyone connected that helped him.
- [37:47]
John Solomon
Yeah, that's so important.
- [37:48]
Amanda Head
Yeah. John, I assume they are already on the ground, but as of a little while ago, the director of the FBI, Cash Patel, and the Deputy Director, Dan Bongino are on their way to Utah. Does that, does that augur good for you or bad for you? Because good that all hands are on deck, but bad that maybe they feel like they have to step in.
- [38:06]
John Deaton
Yeah, but I also think that, you know, the FBI is not going to tell us everything that, that they know. And in fact, they may even make it seem, do a little misdirection and make it seem like they're far away from the suspect than they really are. And so Cash Patel going to Utah, to me is a sign that they're on the scent and he wants to be a part of this collar.
- [38:27]
John Solomon
Yeah, I think that's right. I think they are. That's the reporting that we've had today. They've made some good progress when you look at it. Obviously a domestic component happened on our soil, on a college campus. Any concern that there could be a foreign component as well, or foreign radicalization involved in this?
- [38:45]
John Deaton
I mean, that's always a threat. Especially when the previous four years we had open borders and about 12 million people, including folks on the terror watch list, got through. So it's always a risk and a possibility. But I have to tell you this, this was an attack not just against Charlie, but an attack against our republic. And so I'm very confident that the FBI is going to put everything they have into it and we're going to get answers. I mean, they have clear video of this individual. They said they're not going to release it yet. So I think they're hopefully closer to an arrest more than people think.
- [39:26]
John Solomon
I think that's right.
- [39:27]
Amanda Head
So if we determined that a foreign government was behind this, you've got a foreign country assassinating a public figure, beloved public figure on US soil, what does that mean for a response?
- [39:40]
John Deaton
It means a very Firm, direct, no nonsense response. If there's credible evidence that a foreign adversary executed an American citizen, high profile political citizen on American soil, I'm very confident that President Trump and I think most Americans would be behind very decisive action.
- [40:05]
John Solomon
Yeah, I bet that's right. We've seen it before. We know it will happen if it's required. You had a very eloquent post on X that I think gets us above the 30,000 foot level for a second. We have lost the ability to have a civil debate in America. That's what Charlie was trying to recreate. When someone takes that out, how do we make sure we don't lose the path to that civil debate again?
- [40:29]
John Deaton
Well listen, you know the father and me, I was at my daughter's softball practice and I realized that this 31 year old young man is never going to get to experience that those young kids of his are never going to get to experience their father cheering them on in a soccer event or a sports event. And so the man, the Marine, the father and me, of course you want retaliation. But what I hope happens is people realize that Charlie was doing it the right way. Our republic was formed in heated debate. You know, Hamilton, Alexander couldn't stand each other, but they used words and persuasion just as Charlie was doing. He literally was going around the world saying, this is what I believe, why I believe it now. Why don't you come prove me wrong? Let's engage in that civil debate. So I hope that there isn't a chilling impact. I hope a thousand Charlie Kirks are born from this incident.
- [41:24]
John Solomon
That would be the ultimate outcome. It really would.
- [41:27]
Amanda Head
I want to shift gears to another Sad Day today, 24 years since 9 11. Next year is the 25th year, which also happens to coincide with our 250th birthday for our country. What does it look like 24 years later?
- [41:43]
John Deaton
You know, I was thinking about this earlier today. In the divided world that we live in, it is so divided. And I Sadly question, if 911 happened today, would it be politicized? Would it be, you know, two tribes yelling at each other that you know, the other tribe doesn't love America, or would we come together and unite? You know, I'm eternally an optimist. I have my pessimistic days. But you know, America came together after 911 and it showed us the strength that we have when we unite. And it gives us hope that we can find that common ground again. And hopefully our elected leaders who use words like Nazi, monsters, traitors, threats of democracy that they'll bring that dehumanizing rhetoric down and get back to our roots of what make us a great nation.
- [42:35]
John Solomon
From your brilliant lips to God's ears. We need to achieve that soon because we got to bring the temperature down. We got to get the we back in America. And I know you've worked your whole life to make that happen. John Deaton, great honor to have you on the show tonight. Thank you for joining him, my friend.
- [42:49]
John Deaton
It is my honor. Thank you very much.
- [42:50]
John Solomon
All right. What a great conversation. What a great guy. All right, after the commercial break, it's time to evaluate the media. I think you've got a grade you're going to give them, but we're going to make sure you have all the facts. David Buzzell from the Media Research center will be with us to break down some of the most awful takes from the mainstream media after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Get ready. Get a squeezy doll. You're gonna be angry. We're gonna have a next right after.
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John Solomon
Every time I came. Ready.
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Tommy Tuberville
Is that right?
- [46:22]
John Deaton
Every time we came, we'd win a.
- [46:24]
John Solomon
Game and he'd call me.
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Colonel Rob Manus
He was.
- [46:26]
John Deaton
You think that was easy, sitting with him for a game?
- [46:28]
John Solomon
It wasn't. It was brutal. You were exhausted at the end. But he won. And you're going to win.
- [46:33]
David Bozell
You're going to go all the way.
- [46:35]
John Deaton
And you get in the playoff.
- [46:36]
John Solomon
And I think you're going to do. I think we'll start off. How about tonight? We'll start from tonight on and you're.
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Colonel Rob Manus
Going to do well.
- [46:43]
John Solomon
Randy was telling me the Boston Red.
- [46:45]
John Deaton
Sox came to the Oval Office. They wanted to come.
- [46:48]
John Solomon
So I said, what am I going to do? Say no.
- [46:50]
John Deaton
And they won 15 games, games in a row.
- [46:53]
John Solomon
That was bad news. Bad news. We're changing the luck here right now. Mr. We're going to change it right now.
- [46:59]
John Deaton
So I just want to wish you guys a lot of luck. You're great players.
- [47:01]
John Solomon
I know every one of you.
- [47:02]
John Deaton
Let me shake hands around here.
- [47:04]
Tommy Tuberville
Come on, shake their hand.
- [47:06]
Colonel Rob Manus
Shake their hand. What?
- [47:48]
John Solomon
Good. Nice to see you too.
- [47:57]
Colonel Rob Manus
Nice to see you.
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John Solomon
I wish it was a little bit bigger, you know, a little bit what I did.
- [48:05]
Colonel Rob Manus
So you have that much muscle, you.
- [48:07]
John Solomon
Have to hit the one. Fantastic play. Unbelievable play. Thank you.
- [48:13]
David Bozell
I appreciate that.
- [48:13]
John Solomon
Great to know you.
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Tommy Tuberville
Thank you, man.
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John Solomon
Thank you.
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David Bozell
It's honor.
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John Deaton
It's my honor.
- [48:18]
John Solomon
It's a good move. Nice to see you get out there and win tonight, right?
- [48:48]
Amanda Head
All right, everybody, as you could tell, that was President Trump in the Yankees locker room. I feel like I had a psychosomatic reaction because I can immediately smell the sweat. But President Trump, it's not often you see someone who is taller than he is because he's about five, two or six. Two, six, three. Aaron Judge was towering over him. That was incredible to see. Aaron Judge, of course, an incredible Yankees player. All right, everybody. So you all have seen a ton of absurd media reactions. We highlighted some of them on the TV show last night. We talked about some of them tonight, including politicians. And an organization that does a bang up job of evaluating and kind of amalgamating all of these reactions is Media Research Center. And tonight we have their president, David Bozell. David, thanks so much for being here.
- [49:29]
David Bozell
Thanks, Amanda. Thanks, John. How are you guys doing?
- [49:31]
John Solomon
Good.
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Colonel Rob Manus
Good.
- [49:32]
Amanda Head
All right, so who gets the award for the grade A dope of the last 24 hours?
- [49:38]
David Bozell
Well, certainly Matthew Dowd. Now, I'll give him some credit, some he did apologize for when he suggested that hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which often lead to hateful actions. He did apologize. And MSNBC also apologized on his behalf. Turns out it was too late. They fired him about an hour later after issuing those two tweets. So. But if I had to channel my inner Charlie Kirk, I think we should probably forgive Matthew Dowd for saying such silly, stupid, irreverent things in the moment. The one that I really can't forgive is Catherine Turf, also from msnbc, suggesting that President Trump could possibly use this as a political weapon while Charlie Kirk was fighting for his life. You know, the job of a breaking news anchor is to just sit here and take in your earpiece. I mean, both of you have done this. You know, when you're in the moment in a breaking news situation, get the information from your producer and if necessary, kick it back to someone in the field in the know. And that's it. In a breaking news situation, somehow Kathryn Turr's instincts suggested that that she should opine to her audience. Maybe President Trump might use this to his possible political advantage. I think that's a fireable offense. I'd give that to kind of the dope award to Katherine Turer. And then taking the cake this morning, Nate Burleson, he woke up on the wrong side of the bed at CBS suggesting to the former speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, that it was Time for the Republican Party to reflect on his violent rhetoric, insinuating that somehow the Republican Party got Charlie Kirk shot and killed. So it goes on and on. MSNBC today blamed Trump's immigration enforcement for basically for stretching FBI's resources as it's the border caused Charlie's murder. Nicole Wallace basically blamed democracy itself, suggesting that the vote in the 2024 election and President Trump's win made it harder for the government to track domestic threats. I mean, she just twisted herself in knots in this. So it is starting to feel. I mean, last night's coverage was pretty good. I'd say nine out of every ten things that were opined on the networks and on the cables were really respectful of Charlie and his family, even though, you know, they were essentially mortal political enemies of liberal media and Charlie Kirk. But as you've woken up today, the luber media has started to get back into some awful bad habits.
- [52:14]
John Solomon
You and I have been around a long time, David, and we saw in some of the greatest moments of strife in major news events, some of the greatest journalism exhibited by anchors, whether it was Walter Cronkite or Peter Jennings. But it seems today that the biggest news events brings out some of the worst journalism in America because journalists feel like their opinion is more important than the facts are supposed to just neutrally arbor and deliver, arbitrate and deliver. How did journalism lose that mission, that their job is just not to put their spin on the facts, but to just give people the facts?
- [52:50]
David Bozell
Yeah, what's that? 9 11. This is the celebration of 9 11. I'm old enough to remember all of these anchors broadcasting live in the moment while a plane was in the air en route to Washington D.C. that's right. Not knowing where it was going to land and then it crashes into the Pentagon. That took us some stones, particularly for the White House correspondents in the field that day. I think. I think Brit Hume was a White House correspondent in the field that day, broadcasting live from the grounds, not knowing if a plane was going to land on his head. So how did we go from this? Gosh, look, this has been. The liberal media have been, you know, fairly nasty for the past 30 to 40 years. But boy, since Trump came down the escalator, it has been, Katy, bar the door with these guys, you know, and essentially I, you know, look, this is the logical manifestation. Charlie Kirk's death is an assassination. Is, is the sort of the logical manifestation of 8, 9, 10 years of night after night after night going on the airways and calling your political enemies us, you know, conservatives Hitler, fascists and worse. Night after night, show after show, hour after hour, it doesn't matter. Network, cable, it doesn't matter. South park, you know, same thing. I mean, just, I mean, I kind of come curious how the south park guys feel today after the stunt that they pulled a month ago. I know Charlie took it in jest because he had to. What else was he going to do? Yeah, but you know, these are the types of things that fuel maniac desires and, and, and, and these can, these things can be the result. Yeah, and I just, well, I tell you guys, I, you know, taking my immediate research center hat off for one second, I think the only thing that stops them, the, the, the, the only, the only response, the only Christian American response is to defeat them at the ballot pot, ballot box in totality. Crush them in every election from the presidency coming up in 2028, to the midterms in 2026, to every down ballot, state, gubernatorial, congressional school board, every single election. If you supported Charlie Kirk and his values, get ready to put in the effort to throttle these guys at the ballot box. I think that's the only proper Christian American response at this point.
- [55:20]
Amanda Head
Yeah, but David, how do we break that current between the media, the people who say these types of things, and however many millions of listeners and viewers they have, how do we create a separation between the two so that there's not that exposure to this radical ideology?
- [55:37]
David Bozell
Yeah, their television ratings are kind of in the toilet right now. From 2020 to 2024, the election night audience, CNN lost 50% of its election night audience. And just four years, the numbers, anyone can look at, the ratings numbers, they're all kind of in the toilet now. Where they've been able to sort of survive and kind of thrive is that the Googles and the Apples and the Yahoos and The Microsoft's, the MSNs of the world all take ABC, NBC, CBS, New York Times, Washington Post and aggregate them in their front pages, link after link after link after link. And these are the biggest aggregators, the biggest news communication tools that man is creating. And so while their television ratings have really sunk like a stone, they've been able to wedge themselves into these, these massive tech apparatuses. We've got to get into the Googles and the Apples and divest from them. These exclusivity contracts that these guys have with, with essentially the upper, I call them the upper class media, the mainstream legacy media outlets. You might get a Fox, you might get a real America's voice wedged into nine different liberal media links. But but until that becomes more of a 50, 50 proposition, we're going to be fighting this uphill battle against these guys. The job of the Media Research center, in addition to reputational destruction, is to, is to ensure that these guys end up screaming into an empty room one of these days. And so right now they're at about 30 to 32% believability. That's still too much now. That's gone down, you know, since the 70s and 80s. It's gone way down. I mean, there was a 1987, they had like a 78% approval approval rating according to GAAP. So that's gone super down. And we're, we're, we're, we're very excited about that. But still, three out of every 10 people believe everything that NBC, CBS and ABC say. So we've got to get, continue to get those numbers down, get, get the believability rate down and make sure that the aggregators, these popular aggregators that, that we all sort of rely on these days with via our phones, start giving folks like Real America's Voice and other conservative ecosystems bigger representation.
- [57:54]
Amanda Head
Yeah. Well, you guys are doing an incredible job of helping with that effort. David Bozell, President of Media Research center, thanks so much for joining us tonight.
- [58:01]
David Bozell
Thanks so much, guys.
- [58:02]
Amanda Head
All right, everybody. Same to you, David. All right, everybody's in. Final box. On the other side of this break.
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- [61:02]
Amanda Head
Welcome back everybody. You know, John, President Trump was asked earlier today if he was worried if he had a heightened concern for his own safety and he said he was worried about the country. That's fine, worry about the country. But I'm also very worried about President Trump and as he is at that Yankees game tonight, I hope that there is a bulletproof glass encasing that they are walking with him as he steps through that stadium.
- [61:22]
John Solomon
Yeah, he's, he's going to be an extra protection set at. So yeah, so he's behind glass. He's going to be protected. I don't think there's that much concern about him. I've been texting with some of my law enforcement sources during the commercial break. I'm told that there is a very hopeful development. They are very close to making a potential ID on somebody they want to have a conversation with. He does live in the Salt Lake City area. He does have some military training. We'll see if that checks out. They're not 100% certain, but they're starting to get Some facial recognition match on someone that seems to fit the profile. So we'll see what that looks like. We'll keep you close on that throughout the night. But there is some signs of hope that they might be getting close. And our guest, the prosecutor John Deaton said he thought they would make an announcement. I think that may be getting close. That's good news. We're not there yet, but I'm told we're at the, at the one yard line on a possible idea of one person they want to talk to.
- [62:18]
Amanda Head
Yeah, you know, for many months, over a year, I was traveling with Real America's Voice on the bus tour and many times in the hotel room. The only show that was playing was the first 48, talking about the first 48 hours. And I learned from that show how important it is to get someone within the first 48 hours. We are now at 24. We're halfway there.
- [62:35]
John Solomon
We're halfway there. Although there's a lot of progress, a lot of evidence. I mean, you think about all the evidence they have, there's a lot of evidence here, but it does look to be an American person. They're looking at someone who might have some military training is what I'm told. I'm looking as we're here, but they're not 100% there. But they're getting pretty close is what I'm told. So we'll keep you up to date. Check out justinnews.com all night. We have a whole team of reporters on all through the night. Amanda, when you see the President go through the locker room of the most successful baseball team in American history, I think 27 World Series, it's my favorite team. I'll confess that I bleed Yankee blue. I cry Yankee blue.
- [63:11]
Amanda Head
Better not tell your Milwaukee Brewer family.
- [63:13]
John Solomon
Yeah, no, they're half Yankees, so I've got half of them to my side. But yeah, it's a rare moment and what a great way to celebrate the 24th anniversary because it was that Yankees getting back on the field the day after 911 that started to restore that normalcy on 9 11, 9 12, 9 13. And I remember that game like it was yesterday. But it was a very special moment for President Trump there today. And it reminds us all that no matter how bad we feel, we pick ourselves, we get off the ground, we get back in the game. That's exactly what Charlie Kirk would have wanted us to do. And we are going to do it.
- [63:48]
Amanda Head
Yeah, well. And the Yankees last night picked a side. They picked the side of freedom and non violence. When they showed a picture of Charlie Kirk on the screen.
- [63:56]
John Solomon
Yeah, in blue New York.
- [63:57]
Amanda Head
Yeah, in very blue New York. Maybe a little bit of sanity returning to the Big Apple would be very, very nice to see. All right, everybody, that's all the time we have tonight, but we're going to see you back here tomorrow right here at 6pm Eastern. Grand Central is going to take you through the next hour.
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Take a deep dive into the stories making the news headlines across the world.
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We're not just here to tell you what's happening, but why? From me, Emily Maitlis.
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And me, John Sopel with Global's award.
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Winning podcast, the News Agents Dropping daily, covering everything you need to know about politics and current affairs.
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The News Agents on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search the newsagents to start listening.
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