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Good evening, America. Happy Tuesday and welcome to the latest edition of JUST THE news. No noise. I'm your host, John Solomon. You know where I am. I'm in the nation's capital, where I always report from. Today, a quick programming. My co host, Amanda Head, she'll be out back on assignment or be out on assignment day back tomorrow. She'll be keeping a surprise on the road of everything going on at the White House. Why? Because we're less than two hours from a very important deadline. President Trump has sent 8pm Eastern time as a deadline for Iran to either open the Strait of Hormuz or be bombed back into the Stone Ages. His own words, by the way. He also said this morning, getting Iran's attention pretty quickly, that he intended to end civilization as they knew it in Iran if he unleashes these attacks tonight. Now, while that was going on, some pretty intense negotiations have been happening, sometimes through intermediaries like Pakistan and Qatar, sometimes directly. President Trump just about a half hour ago addressed those negotiations, saying they're very heated. He doesn't know how they're going to end yet. He's holding firm to his 8pm deadline, at least as of now. Now, the Pakistani foreign minister about two hours ago asked President Trump to consider delaying the APM deadline by two weeks because he said enough substantive progress had been made in the Iranian negotiations to warrant a delay before this very fierce attack that the president has geared up for 8am Excuse me, 8pm Tonight. We're keeping a close eye on all of that. We're going to be talking about it all through the afternoon tonight here. And we'll have some special coverage throughout the night on Real America's Voice. I want to walk you through one thing that my reporting has indicated. I think it's a very important subtle change in dynamics. In the last week, US Officials have picked up a subtle change, sort of a schism growing inside Iran. There is the civilian leadership, what's left of it, that is taking stock of the mass damage that the US And Israel militaries have been able to inflict on Iran. Its navy gone, its air force gone, most of its defense manufacturing facilities eradicated, its missiles and its drone batteries declining quickly. The country knows it is on the losing end of the war, at least on the civilian side. But the irgc, the Revolutionary Guard, the most feared military component in the country, has been holding out, wanting to fight to death and not to give in. Over the weekend, the IRGC ended up with a little egg on its face. It never was able to capture that American pilot shot out of the sky, even though he's on the ground in enemy territory for two full days. The irgc, well, it fell some head fakes that the CIA and the military planned for them. It lost a little street cred on the ground in Iran with the Iranian people who often fear it. And then on Monday, President Trump ordered a decapitation strike which took out 50 to 70 of the IRGC top leadership, including the people who were killed or severely wounded, incapacitated. Those two events over the weekend, according to my sources, have shifted a little bit of the dynamic towards those in the civilian leadership that would like to find a negotiated settlement out of President Trump's threat tonight to bomb the country back to the Stone Ages. We're going to keep a close eye all throughout that. We've got reporters on all night tonight. Just the news dot com, the just the news apps will have you covered. And we'll have you covered here, of course, right here on Real America's Voice. We're very lucky to kick off the show tonight by someone who's been on the front lines of a lot of the debate in Washington these last few months, whether it's the homeland security debate where Democrats often have put American security at risk even in the midst of a military operation in Iran, or on the very important section 702 FISA renewal issues that are up now. How are we going to protect Americans privacy from future spying? A very important debate. He also got 100% rating recently as a conservative from the Heritage Action foundation. One of the most respected members in Congress from the great state of Texas, Congressman Michael Cloud. He joins us right now. Congressman, great to have you in the show.
Congressman Michael Cloud
Thank you. Good to be on with you. Great analysis.
John Solomon
There is a lot of. Thank you. Yeah. Well, it's a great honor to have you on. There is a lot, a lot of movement in these final hours. The sancock's ticking down. There's a request from Pakistan for a delay. President Trump saying heated negotiations, not sure how they're going to turn out. Give us your assessment two hours from that deadline. Where you think we are and what's still possible before 8:00pm Eastern.
Congressman Michael Cloud
Well, you have to get some deference to the White House. They're the ones in the negotiation. And they're the ones looking at the tactical information day to day, you know, boots on the ground, that kind of thing. I'll say, you know, the administration and President Trump has demonstrated that the preference is for peace. They were in negotiations with Iran all the way up till the beginning of this conflict, until it turned out that the people we were negotiating with at the time were not negotiating in good faith. They were just buying out time to create a conventional missile shield to continue to develop a nuclear weapon to be used against us or against Israel or anyone else who they would want to use it against. And so, you know, you got to give a little. Give them the. They. They're the ones with the knowledge of the boots on the ground in the moment. But the importance for the, the president to put pressure on Iran to come to a deal and for us to make sure that this doesn't continue to drag out for weeks and weeks and weeks, and that we accomplish our military objectives, we get Iran tahedra to what needs to happen here is really, really important.
John Solomon
Yeah, no, it really is. There is some pretty clear evidence that some other powers have, have their finger in this. US Iran drink right now. China apparently helping with missile technology. There was discussions of a hypersonic missile transfer that was being discussed just before President Trump struck Tehran. And then Russia, which openly has admitted it's been giving some information on targeting. The fact that two of our superpower enemies are, at least through proxies, trying to meddle here, how does that factor into the equation? And does China and Russia walk away from this conflict a lot more diminished because we've really prevailed thus far militarily?
Congressman Michael Cloud
I think so. And I think that's one of the important points of what's going in Iran that oftentimes gets overlooked in the discussion. And that's us looking at this at the larger geopolitical scale. Sometimes we look at these incidences in their own stovepipe, so to speak. But when you look at Venezuela, when you look at what's going on in Iran, all this is posturing against China and isolating China in removing strengths to their apparatus. And so the president inherited a world in which China was looking to invade Taiwan in 2027 just a few months from now, in a sense. And they build 80% of the chip capacity in the United States. And so that would be detrimental to our military, not to mention to everybody's cell phone, their cars, everything else that we deal with in our society, in a modern society. So this has been very important in causing China to pause and to rethink about that timeline and those ambitions and, and even if all it does is buy us a few years so that we can onshore manufacturing, so that we can shore up supply chains, so that we can, you know, rebuild and continue to rebuild our military, it's important that we have that window of opportunity. So, you know, yes, we need to look at these instances for what they are in their own sense, but we also need to look at Iran, Venezuela, all these in the geopolitical landscape of what the President's really working on.
John Solomon
Yeah, it's pretty clear it's a four dimensional chess game. And there are lots of progress that the American interests have made in the last year that were in reversal when President Trump took over. So there's a lot of progress and it does seem like we're in a much stronger position. I want to get to two thorny issues that are probably at the negotiating table. One is how do we come to trust and verify any promise that Iran makes, given their 47 year history of hostility towards the United States, Israel, the Middle east, basically Western civilization? And two, what are we to do about that highly enriched uranium? It's buried under the ground right now thanks to our bombers. But how do you think those two potential issues could play out in a negotiation?
Congressman Michael Cloud
Yeah, certainly those are going to be points of negotiation and I'm certain they are. You know, we would have to have some sort of, you said it, trust but verify. We'll need people that we can negotiate with that have not displayed lack of trust in the past. So people who are negotiating in good faith with that is going to have to come the verification point where we can go in or others can go in and inspect what's going on, continued inspections to make sure that they're not working on restarting a nuclear program. And as well, we've got to figure out how to get that out of Iran, that nuclear material out of Iran. And there's ways to do that, whether that's us, whether that's someone else. It seems like we're going to be the ones best capable to do that as far as the people that we trust. But you know, that's all going to be part of the negotiation. But ultimately we have to have people that are wanting a different future and a different vision for Iran and the region and the world at large.
John Solomon
So I want to turn to an issue that Congress has before it, deadline ticking, I think April 20th or approximately, a decision on the Section 702 sort of NSA monitoring program. There are some Reforms made a year ago. Some people don't think they go far enough or it's a good start, but more to be done. Where are we in that debate? Will Americans get more protections, or will the system that was put in about a year ago persist for a little bit longer until we study it?
Congressman Michael Cloud
Well, we need to get the reforms that the American people have been wanting for quite some time, and now's the window to get that done. You know, we've had some discussions on the Hill and there's some saying, well, it's the right thing to do to get more protections for the American people in, but it's just not the right time. Well, I've yet to be in the discussion where you're going to get the briefing from the intelligence community or any single agency where they come into you and say, you know, we have too much power, we have too much money, we like to give some back. That's only going to happen when the representatives of the American people demand it. And so it's really a time for us to go in and demand it. For me, I'm looking at a few things. We want a warrant requirement that needs to be a part of the discussion. The Fourth Amendment, not for sale, needs to be a key component, and that's where we have our intelligence apparatus to instead of if there's information on American citizens that they otherwise would need a warrant for and they don't want to, they just go around and purchase that from data brokers. And some would say, well, what's the difference? Insurance companies can buy it. Well, insurance companies can't put you in jail, you know, so it's important we have these protections. And then one that's really important to me is a ban on the central bank digital currency. And the reason why it's in this conversation is that and we're not concerned about the Trump administration misusing this, but future administrations could turn that into a surveillance tool and a tool of control against the American people. And so it's important for these to be a part of that conversation as we look on how to extend the FISA authorities, which, you know, are supposed to be going after foreign. It's meant to be a way for us to surveil foreign entities that would be threats to the United States. So we want to do the right thing and be able to protect the Americans, but we want to protect their civil liberties as well.
John Solomon
Yeah, maybe close that back door into American surveillance that has been opened over the last decade or so. When you look out the last few years you have been one of the driving forces in rooting out, I think, one of the great cancers in American society. DEIU J.D. vance paired up on legislation in 24. A lot of progress has been made since President Trump came into office, but the left keeps trying to rebrand it. They call it something else. And you catch a college doing the same thing just under a different name. Where are we in the fight against DEI and its incredibly corrosive effect on our young people? And what are the next tools we're going to need to make sure it becomes fully dormant?
Congressman Michael Cloud
Well, we're still working to get that legislation passed in Congress. Thankfully, we have an administration and obviously with JD Vance being the original Senate co sponsor on it back when he was in the Senate is, you know, this administration is clear about we need to build a society built on merit and DEI not being the determinant in all these discussions. And so we've worked to weed that out of our agencies. That's, of course, obviously an ongoing progress or process. The way this has worked its way to weave its way into our governments, our agencies, our institutions throughout society, you know, it takes a lot of work and like you said, a lot of universities, they just rebrand it. Well, it's going to take us being vigilant. The thing that is happening, though, that we see is the young people, the next generation in America is pushing back on it. And so for us being able to introduce legislation like this and to have an administration who's being bold about really the virtue of building a society built on merit and character and all Those things that Dr. Martin Luther King talked about and that we've aspired to be as a nation. You know, this generation is pushing back on the dei, the woke, the rhetoric and coming back to these traditional values that have worked to make the United States the wonderful country that we've become. And so, you know, the work still needs to be done. We need people vigilant to make sure this isn't happening in their local schools and universities to continue to push back on it. And then we need to continue the work of making sure that bill gets across the finish line.
John Solomon
One more before he let you go, I thought you did a really important service for all of us. Just before the Easter break, when the Senate sent a bill that looked like a deal to reopen dhs and you dug into a little bit and you found something pretty remarkable that was taken out of it. Funding to, for the units that protect our children against these heinous child traffickers, these sex traffickers. The Human traffickers. How could a Senate cut that level out? Who's behind that sort of notion that letting traffickers flourish is a good idea?
Congressman Michael Cloud
Oh, my gosh. The idea that the Senate, and specifically the Senate Dems don't want our homeland protected, aren't willing to fund it, even even though this was the number one priority during the election. The American people are clear about this. And then we're not going to fund the people who are going after child sex traffickers. After the last administration lost 300,000 kids. Thankfully, President Trump, his administration has found a bunch of them, but there's still a lot more work that needs to be done there. It's just atrocious. Their priorities and anything they can do to run out the clock on the Trump administration, they're willing to do, even if it means hurting kids. And that you cannot. We cannot acquiesce to that in the House. We've got to push back on that. And thankfully, we sent that bill back. They sent it back to us. So right now, we've still got some work to do, but that's got to be a line that we don't. We're not willing to cross.
John Solomon
Yeah. So. So very important, before we let you go, just real quickly, when we wake up in the morning, what's your guess? Bombs away or a temporary pause?
Congressman Michael Cloud
Well, you know, I'm praying for peace. Like so many people, I'm, you know, I'd hate to. To. It's such a serious matter. I don't want to game it, but, you know, you hope we get to a point where at least we can buy some time that Iran makes the concessions that need to happen to at least, you know, this is about going after their rogue, evil government. The Iranian people are for this. And that's been the hesitation to leave all this infrastructure in place as best as possible. But at some point, we got to. We got to close the chokehold on this administration in Iran.
John Solomon
So hopefully cooler has the United States. Yeah. That leadership has hated us. They've hated Western civilization. That's really been requested.
Congressman Michael Cloud
Terrorism. Right.
John Solomon
Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is an incredible moment to finish the job one way or the other. Congressman, always great to have you on the show. We love when you join us. And thanks for all the great work you've been doing on dei. When I talk to people on the Hill about that issue, your name comes up every time because you've been so dedicated to it. Great to have you in the show.
Congressman Michael Cloud
Thank you. God bless you.
John Solomon
Yeah, you do as well, sir. Thank you so much. All right, folks, quick commercial break ahead. When we come back, we're going to take a look at the strategy surrounding President Trump's negotiations with a former CIA senior operations officer, Rick De La Torre. He knows this subject like the back of his head. He's really great. We'll have him next right after these messages. Hey folks, this episode is brought to you by Native Path Grass Fed Collagen for Better Bones Join Skin, hair and Nails here's something that genuinely surprised me. Calcium supplements, the ones millions of people take for bone health, may not be doing much at all because bones are 90% collagen, not calcium. Without the collagen scaffold to attach to, calcium has nowhere to go. That's where today's sponsor comes in. After 30, our bodies produce 1 to 2% less collagen every single year. That's a protein that keeps our bones dense, our joints cushioned across our skin firm. By age 60, like me, most people have lost half their collagen and it's nearly impossible to get it back through diet alone because it lives in the parts of the animal we don't eat. The bones, the cartilage, the tendons. Native Path Grass Fed Collagen is a clean grass fed type 1 in 3 collagen that dissolves completely in coffee or water. No taste, no clumping. Thousands of customers report less joint pain, stronger nails, younger looking skin, better sleep and even improved bone density. Scans. To try risk free with a 365 day money back guarantee, head to getnativepath.com justnews that's getnatapath.com justnews
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Welcome back America. There's nothing like having a former CIA Operations Officer, Senior Operations Officer to help you understand how moments like this play out inside the security community. We're at a historic moment. The world is going to be forever changed by what President Trump started in this Iran operation. And how it ends will probably be foundational for what sort of Middle East America, by the way, China and Russia relationship we're all going to have. I want to welcome. He's the CEO and founder of Tower Strategy llc, one of the great CIA senior operations officers of the past, he calls them like he sees him. Rick De La Tour. Rick, great to have you on the show.
Rick De La Torre
Great to be here, John.
John Solomon
All right. I want to ask you about something I've been hearing in intel circles the last few days, even more loudly over the weekend, that there's a little bit of a divide. The civilian leadership more inclined to trying to find the right deal to end the bombing by the United States. The IRGC particularly interested in keeping this going, fighting to the death, necessarily. Over the weekend, the IRGC ended up with a little egg on its face. It couldn't find the American pilot. Shot down for two days. We faked them out. We got our guy safe, which was an amazing thing. But it lost some street cred for IRGC and Iran. Is there a little bit of a schism from what you're hearing developing inside what's left of the Iranian leadership?
Rick De La Torre
Well, there's. I'd say there's been a schism with the IRGC for quite some time now, which you're seeing that schism actually starting to turn into a chasm, a real break between how they communicate and how they. And how they work with each other. Look, the IRGC for years is nothing more than the armed military, illegal mafia of this regime around the world. And places where I've had to deal with them in Afghanistan and Pakistan, they're nothing more than just warlords dealing in drugs, dealing in crime, human trafficking, you name it, they do it. That's how they generate revenue. The civilian population, civilian leadership is much more realistic, pragmatic. They recognize exactly where these events are headed and they want to reconcile with the West. These are, you know, many of those are not, not in that category of being considered a religious zealot. But the IRGC is a combination of zealotry and just illegal activity.
John Solomon
Yeah. And what a record of destruction and hatred, violence that they have created over the last 47 years. President Trump has two options at 8 o'. Clock. Take a deal that he thinks could work for a bit, maybe buy some time with the deal to see if we get to trust, verify, or unleash. Let's walk through both of those options. What would Iran need to do between now and 8 o' clock to get the President, say, hold off for a few days?
Rick De La Torre
Right now, there's a lot of noise I suspect, you know, having seen these events play out in different geographies at different times, there's a mad scramble, folks on the other side, you're getting a lot of noise. You don't know is the person you're talking to really the person who's calling the shots. So there needs to be that established, well established communication back channel that you could verify. Ultimately, the administration is going to want to focus on making sure if a deal is reached that the Iranians are going to very quickly hold up their end. And that will be, I suspect, something very quickly along the lines of, like, you know, reopen strait to Hormuz immediately, don't interfere with any of the transit or traffic there. That would be a very good, quick indicator that, okay, now they're serious and we're dealing with someone. But when things are this fractured, when this administration's done an amazing job of destroying Cedar leadership within Iran, you know, not just at the very top, but multiple, multiple layers down, I think there's going to be more and more of a struggle between the zealots and those that want, you know, rapprochement with the West. And so we'll see how that plays out.
John Solomon
That's a great point. And I had a person who has pretty good visibility into the success that we've had, and it is an amazing success of how quickly we've degraded Iran's capabilities. He said they had their major league team, then they were at triple A, then they were double A. We're at the rookie league now. That's how far down we've gone. They've really taken out, you know, this incredible. It really is a problem right now that Iran doesn't really have any experienced leadership. It's been really drained out. Right?
Rick De La Torre
It completely drained out. I take that further. I think we're dealing with the peewees at this stage, but, you know, that's even better. Yeah, no, but the, you know, one of the issues there, though is that we, you know, since the Internet and communications have been kind of shut down within Iran, we in the west, we have not seen the total destruction. If you just do the math regarding the sorties, the targets, the destruction, I think we've done an amazing job of probably completely eliminating any real threat from either an air force, a navy, most of their medium and short range missile systems. So this is not the same Iran it was a month ago. This Iran is completely just demolished.
John Solomon
Yeah, nothing like a butt whooping to make you a little bit more pragmatic and a little less zealot. Like, and I think that that's maybe one of the things that the administration is banking on. If it goes the other route and decides, you know what, don't have a good deal, can't verify it, can't tell if I'm talking to the people in charge. I think the president gave us a little bit of sense of what could be first. It seems like Carg island will be a really significant target early on. Tell us why that's important and what it may signal in the next phase of military action if we have to go that route.
Rick De La Torre
Well, there are a series of small islands, Kharg being one of them there within the Strait of Hormuz, that the Iranian government has used for staging military activity, but also to unload most of their crude oil into, you know, into tankers. That's where a considerable amount of their economy kind of is generated right within those islands. But geographically, they're very strategic too. So whether it's Kharg, Kish or one of the other islands, it's a matter of. And I have no doubt, you know, we do have the greatest military in the world. We certainly can take those places. They're not that large. I think Cargill island is probably about half the size of Manhattan. You know, we could take them, but then we're going to have to secure them, we're going to have to defend them and we're going to have to make sure that drones and short range missiles and other kinds of ordinance keep our folks safe. We certainly have a lot of that technology in play. But it's again another risk that we're going to have to consider and deal with. Now, let me add though this does not, it's not helpful. It is certainly not helpful with critics of this policy who for years have either defended or been weak kneed when it comes to facing Iran at this stage now really undermining US Military forces and undermining the policy of this administration when ultimately what we want to do is we want to win. And we want to win not just for America, but for the world. They've been at war with us for over 47 years now. This is not something that just happened and we got ourselves into.
John Solomon
Yeah. Now that is really the moment, the opportunity that this presents for really changing the compass is so significant, perhaps no more significant moment since the taking of our embassy in 79. There is a second proxy that I think loses every day that President Trump makes a little more gain here, and that is China. China is trying to help on the missile program. It Certainly gets a lot of its oil from Iran. Does China take a big, maybe painful lesson from the victories that we're already inflicting on Iran?
Rick De La Torre
I think they've been getting that, that lesson since the first week of the new year when, when we eliminated something like 10, 15% of their oil supplies out of Venezuela. That's been turned off then. Now the shutdown of the Strait of Hormuz is hurting them too, in some ways. In other ways, ironically, what's, what's happened is the price of oil has obviously increased. So whatever is currently available or currently where they're trading in, that's generating. But at the end of the day, the United States doesn't need oil from the Strait of Hormuz. We produce enough of our oil. Oil is a commodity. So what you see in pricing is just global prices. China does need to import oil, so that is directly affecting them. What we're going to see, if, you know, if we're successful at this, there is going to be a huge, huge reshuffle of global power of the way we look at the world. And America will be better for it. We will now have significant leverage over China. We will now have significant leverage over Russia. We'll be able to negotiate better terms when it comes to things like Ukraine, when it comes to Taiwan and Southeast Asia. These are all things that I think are going to allow the world to just be more peaceful. Think of all the energies, all the violence, all the funding from within our own government just to deal with the Iran question alone over the last few decades. If we can eliminate that altogether and not have to deal with that, that means troops closer to our home, not over there. You know, we'll be able to focus on more of the domestic issues. Right, because we'll be able to divert a lot of those funds in that direction. So this is truly one of those fights that, you know, we ought to, you know, we ought to complete and finish and make sure that what is ever left in Iran never has an ability to ever threaten the world again.
John Solomon
Outcome could have a profound 50, 70, 80 year impact on the world. That's how big the stakes are right now. Rick, we always love when you come on. We always get a lot of great, clear vision from you. Thanks for joining us on such a consequential night.
Rick De La Torre
No, I love chatting with you because you're one of the few folks who actually gets the agency and gets what we're doing. So whenever, whenever you want, I'm here for you.
John Solomon
Thank you, sir. That means a lot. We really appreciate you here at Real America's Voice. All right folks, quick commercial break. We'll get back to around a little later in the show, but next we'll have a whistleblower who helped uncover fraud in Minnesota. That's after the quick break. Pay attention. It's gonna be a fun one.
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Welcome back, America. Those of you who follow Justin News know for most of the last 40 years, I've spent a lot of time reporting among whistleblowers. They have changed the world in so many ways, from ending fake science in the FBI lab to ending abuses in the FBI to giving us the truth about Hunter Biden or rooting out what is currently one of the biggest missions of the Trump White House now rooting out billions, tens of billions, perhaps hundreds of billions of fraudulent transactions in our entitlement programs today. Joining me now is a whistleblower and his lawyer who've had such a profound effect on the scandal that has now engulfed Minnesota, now spread to California and other states. The senior counsel and Empower Oversight, senior counsel at Empower Oversight, which represents whistleblowers, Bobby Cherin is with us as well as one of the whistleblowers you got to meet in a congressional hearing a little while ago. A few weeks ago, Scott Dexter, who was blowing the whistle for years. It fell on deaf ears until just the recent few months. Gentlemen, great to have you on the show.
Scott Dexter
Thank you.
Grover Norquist
Thank you.
John Solomon
Scott, let me start with you. You're 28 years in law enforcement. You have a great background, particularly in financial fraud. When did you first know that you had a big problem in Minnesota? And what was the response of those in power when you tried to bring it to their attention?
Scott Dexter
Well, when I retired from law enforcement, I went to work for the state of Minnesota for the Department of Human Services. They had just started a new fraud unit that specifically dealt with fraud within the child care assistance program. They had determined that they were starting to see fraud being perpetrated in that program. But they, the state did not have a unit dedicated for just that. So they, they started up a unit. They hired four of us to begin with. We were all retired law enforcement with investigative background. And our sole mission was to investigate child care centers, not in home ones or anything like that, the actual commercial daycare businesses that were receiving CCAP funds, child Care Assistance program funds, and determining if they were committing fraud. And so that's how, that's how I became involved in it. And it wasn't long after we started investigating that we did See signs of blatant fraud. Not just mistakes on billing, but actually billing for kids that were never even there.
John Solomon
Yep, ghost kids, fake centers, lots of money. How far back would you say it would have been apparent to the governor, the attorney general, the leadership in their administrations, that there was a serious fraud problem in this. Fraud problem in these programs?
Scott Dexter
Well, our unit was started towards the end of 2013, beginning of 2014, and I would say within the first six to eight months, we were already investigating quite a few daycare centers that were receiving. The very first one that we investigated was receiving had received about $3.75 million in one year. And so it was obvious that they were committing fraud. And a number of these child care centers would be owned by the same owners or there'd be, you know, intertwined people involved in it. So one daycare center was involved with another daycare center. So it was obvious that it was a coordinated fraud scheme. And so that's what we started seeing right away, and we started investigating.
John Solomon
How frustrating was it that people in power who could have stopped it quicker, faster, more smartly, more compellingly weren't paying attention?
Scott Dexter
Well, we, you know, we brought it up. You know, we. We worked with county attorneys rather than the attorney general's office, for whatever reason.
John Solomon
Right.
Scott Dexter
It had to go to the county attorney's office, whichever county the daycare center was in, to try to get prosecution. That wasn't always successful. But the inspector general and the people within the upper administration, they knew about this fraud. But unfortunately, because of the fact that the majority of the centers that we investigated wound up investigating, they were owned by and operated and mainly catered to the Somali population. Now, that's not something we went looking for. We went. Our investigations were based off of the dollar amount that they were receiving. So the more money that CCAP funds they were receiving, those were the ones that we looked into. Those are the ones that we found fraud. Well, unfortunately, because of the pressure that they were getting from the Somali community, a lot of our investigations were shut down or they. They made it more difficult for us to investigate and basically kind of stripped away the law enforcement power, the law enforcement end of it, and began making them more internal administrative type cases.
John Solomon
Any doubt that politics, given how important the Somali community is to the democratic political machinery in Minnesota, Politics definitely involved in this?
Scott Dexter
Well, yeah, Minnesota was really proud of their. The fact that they had the largest Somali community. They had the Somali reset refugee resettlement program. And so that was a big political hot button back then. And we were being accused of disproportionately targeting the Somali community, even though that's not the basis of our investigations.
Congressman Michael Cloud
So.
Scott Dexter
Yeah. So it became harder and harder for us to actually try to stop the fraud.
John Solomon
Unbelievable story. Well, your courage is extraordinary. Bobby, I want to turn to you. We now know that many of these whistleblowers faced retaliation. The hearing in Congress last week really exposed a lot of that a few weeks ago. Excuse me. Talk a little bit about what a whistleblower goes through when they try to do the right thing and the political establishment doesn't like where they're digging.
Bobby Cherin
Well, what whistleblowers face time and again is they face retaliation. And retaliation is when you suffer job consequences, you suffer a hostile work environment when they try to derail your career because you're considered not to be a part of the team. And we see that time and again. We didn't see.
John Solomon
Gentlemen, let me interrupt you just for one second. Stay with me for one second. We have breaking news out of the White House. President Trump just tweeted out that there is a temporary cease fire. Negotiate it with Iran. There will be no bombing at 8 o' clock tonight, a major victory, at least early for President Trump to get peace in some form, whether through military action and negotiation. We're going to stay all over this at just the news, but I want to just break in with that. Bobby, let me come back to you, please. Finish that thought.
Bobby Cherin
Yeah. So they faced whistleblowers, faced retaliation. Mr. Dexter didn't face retaliation. He retired out of frustration with them shutting down the investigations because they didn't like what they were finding in terms of fraud. But whistleblowers need help. And that's what the point of Empower oversight is. We're a team of lawyers that provide representation and we help whistleblowers get their disclosures out in the right way to address things like fraud, waste and abuse. And then we also, when whistleblowers face retaliation, we get remedies for those whistleblowers, and that includes whistleblowers. Like you mentioned earlier in the Hunter Biden case, we got. We were proud to announce that we got resolution when they face retaliation. Even though they were prominent whistleblowers that testified in front of Congress, that wasn't enough to stop them from facing consequences at work.
John Solomon
The work Empower has done you, Tristan, Jason, the whole team. Extraordinary. You protected people. You've got scores of whistleblowers now informing Congress, the administration, federal prosecutors. It is an extraordinary story and an extraordinary success story. Scott Dexter, Bobby Cherin. We thank you both for what you've done for our country. Without you, we probably wouldn't know half of what we know about Minnesota. Thanks for joining us today.
Scott Dexter
Thank you very much.
John Solomon
Yeah, and congratulations to the impact your work has done. All right folks, quick commercial break. When we come back, we'll talk about saving more money again, one of my favorite tax fighters in the world, Grover Norquist, up next, right after these messages.
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Welcome back, America. I want to get to that breaking news story. The sand clock was almost down to one hour, but President Trump just announced he's going to hold off on the mass attack that he was going to launch on Iran tonight at 8pm Eastern Time. Let me get you the details right now. He says that the Pakistani negotiators who've been working in America asked for the delay. It is subject to Iran immediately and completely opening the Strait of Hormuz and that if that happens in the next few hours, there will be a double sided, that's the president's word, double sided cease fire. And he expressed significant optimism that this moment may lead to a long term resolution of Iran which has terrorized the United States for 47 years since they took our embassy in 1979 when I was a heck of a lot younger. The last thing the president said, on behalf of the United States of America, as president and also representing the countries of the Middle east in this crisis, it is an honor to have this long term problem close to resolution. Go check out adjusted news.com we get the full statement from President Trump. We'll be watching all through the night. Things could turn again. But right now, President Trump ordering the hold off of that attack. Give some time to see if Iran will reciprocate by opening up the Strait of Hormuz completely and then we move to a complete cease fire. We'll have you on top of that all throughout the night. With that, let me turn to my next guest. I have known him for many decades. He is one of the most influential voices when it comes to tax reform in America. He's done more to get your taxes smaller and to fight to get spending down than anyone I know, including creating a famous pledge that thousands of politicians have now taken. He is the president of Americans tax reform. He's a good friend. Grover Norcus. Grover, great to have you on the show.
Grover Norquist
John, good to be with you.
John Solomon
Just what I thought there's no more ideas that you could come up with that maybe alleviate the tax burden, make a little more tax fairness in America. You always have another good one. A tremendous debate going on right now. But ending an inflation tax and capital gains, basically creating a benchmark that would keep capital gains from growing just because of inflation, like the inflation that Joe Biden gave us. Talk a little bit about how this would work and how beneficial it could be to all of us.
Grover Norquist
Absolutely. Look, the government cheats us when it prints too much money. When it prints money creates inflation. Every dollar in our pocket gets worth less. They add insult to injury because while Reagan indexed your income, your wage income to inflation, so that when you got a pay increase in your paycheck because of inflation, your tax rate did not go up. That was Ronald Reagan, 1981, 82, 83. What didn't get indexed is capital gain inflation. In capital gains, when you sell your house, a lot of the value of your house that you pay taxes on, a lot of that profit is simply inflation. When you sell stocks or bonds that you've stored up all your life in order to have a life savings for retirement, a lot of what you sell is simply inflation in that capital gains. Farmers see this when they sell farmland. This is a huge, huge problem. We ought not to be taxing inflation. It can be fixed with an executive order out of the Treasury Department, a rulemaking. I've spoken with the Treasury Secretary about this. He understands he can do it. The President has said publicly that he has the power to do this, and he's right. There have been a number of judicial studies of this. To simply say that the cost basis for when you sell your house or stocks or your farm or your small business is not what you paid for it originally, but what you paid for it originally, plus the inflation that's taken place. So you only pay capital gains taxes on real gains. Be a tremendous boost in the value of every home, every stock, every business, every farm in the country.
John Solomon
You did something, I think, that's so important to a lot of people here. Capital gains. That's only for the wealthy. But those of us who have 401ks, and those of us that have a home, those of us that have land, it affects all of us, the middle class, the working class, all the way up. That often gets demagogued and not talked about. But this is a benefit to all Americans, not just the wealthy, right?
Grover Norquist
Every year, 30 million people pay capital gains taxes. 30 million. There aren't 30 million billionaires in the country. Every Year and most of the people, when they pay, most of the people who pay those taxes, three quarters of them are making less than $200,000 a year. So we're talking about average Americans, middle income Americans pay capital gains taxes at least once in their life when they sell a house and other times as well.
John Solomon
Yeah. Such an important point before we let you go real quick, we only got about a minute left. There's an extraordinary movement that you've been leading for more than a decade. More and more states shrinking their income tax or getting rid of it entirely. Virginia may be an outlier now that's got a Democratic governor but powerful movement starting to save people pocketbook outside of
Grover Norquist
the federal government at the state level sweeping the nation. There are already, we know, eight states with no income tax. There are 12 states run by Republicans. Sadly, Virginia might have become one, but it didn't. Twelve states where the Republican governor and legislature has said we are going to zero in five of those 12 they've actually passed the law that will click it down to zero. As revenue comes in they don't spend the money, they use it to cut the income tax until it gets to zero. There are used to be eight states that had single rate taxes, flat rate taxes, that's now 16. So more states are going to flat rate taxes, treat everyone the same and more states are going all the way to zero. It is a huge change. New York and California are still going to Haiti's but a lot of the rest of the country is moving in the correct position very quickly.
John Solomon
They're moving in that direction because you helped set the compass. Grover, I've watched your work for 30 plus years on this. You have set the culture that is now created this moment. Imagine that tax relief, that's performance based. That's a pretty darn good idea. Grover, always a great honor to have you on the show and always great honor to watch Americans for Tax Reform in action. Thanks for joining us.
Grover Norquist
Thank you, John.
John Solomon
Yeah. What a great conversation. Exciting. All right folks, quick commercial break. When we come back, a final conversation about Iran and this extraordinary news that just broke a few minutes ago. George Moritis right after the break.
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Welcome back everybody. Just a few minutes left before we wrap up the show and I can't think of a better way to do it than a man who wants to be in Congress next year, but previously served as a submarine officer in our amazing US Navy. Joining me right now from the great state of Florida, George Moritis. George, great to have you on the show.
George Moritis
Thank you John. I appreciate the opportunity to be on here as well.
John Solomon
If you told me two years ago we'd be having a conversation, maybe Cuba's going to fall, Iran's going to surrender, Venezuela under new leadership. They would have told us to go get checked out for memory loss or something. This is kind of an amazing moment of what's happening. A peace to strength moment that really seems to be changing the arc of America and the world. Give us your assessment. There's a lot of caution. We've got to be careful with Iran. Cuba's not done yet, but a lot of movement. Right.
George Moritis
No, you're right, John. I mean, first of all, it's great news to see that there's a ceasefire on the table now. You know, no one wants to see that the nation of Iran that, you know, the Persians annihilated. What we want to see is them give up the nuclear weapon that they've been trying to achieve, along with the ballistic missile capability. And I applaud President, President Trump for leading in a tough situation here. I will say that I'm cautiously optimistic about the news. You know, I was a submarine officer. I served in the Kosovo campaign back in the late 1990s. It was a similar campaign. You know, we had to bomb our way into getting peace. And that's basically what's happened here.
John Solomon
Yeah, what's really interesting, and I've seen you talk about this, and I love the candidacy that you have in Florida right now for Congress. President Trump has taken all the things that we thought were unachievable in transit and weren't going to ever change. The establishment in Washington said, nothing we can do about Cuba, nothing we can do about Iran. And he's flipped that script on its head. Give us a little bit, because it's close to your home state. What's been going on in Cuba and what the potential is for some really strong outcome there in the next few months.
George Moritis
Well, I agree with you, John. I mean, President Trump is. He really takes a fresh approach to a lot of things. And, and this is no exception, I think, both on Iran and Cuba and Venezuela for that matter, he's shown extraordinary leadership and kind of breaking a lot of eggs that we thought couldn't be broken in a way, taking a fresh approach to, you know, some long term, you know, Iran's been a global exporter of terrorism trying to acquire nuclear weapon. And then finally President Trump kind of puts his foot down, says, we're not going to have this. We're going to stop you, even if it means, you know, exerting our military force to do it with Cuba. I agree. This is a generational moment again. It's been decades of the Cuban people living under oppression, you know, really with almost little to no prospect of freedom, particularly under the Biden approach or the Obama approach, just kind of giving more and more money to the. To really the people who are doing the oppressing. And now President Trump has cut that off and is now, you know, basically threatening to topple the regime, which we should. It's long overdue.
John Solomon
Yeah. Yeah. And it does seem it's having consequences by the hour. You served in our great military. You served aboard a sub. When you watch this weekend, the president pull out every possible stop to rescue an airman down in enemy territory for two days. The rescue is something ripped out of a Hollywood movie, but it was very real to every man and woman who serves with that uniform. What message did the president, Pete Hegseth, Marco Ruba and others deliver this weekend?
George Moritis
I think the message is what we've always said as the US Military, we're not going to leave anyone behind. Absolutely not. And we're asking these men and women to put their lives on the line. And if someone gets shot down over enemy territory, we're not going to stop at anything to get them back, alive or dead, frankly, for that matter. Thank God he was alive. He was able to survive as quite a testimony to his training to be able to survive for 48 hours in enemy territory. And then of course, you know, to again, to the leadership of the military, the brave men, you know, that went down to get him that the helicopter pilots, the airplane pilots. It was a full court press to get him back. And, and yeah, the message is, you know, we care about the men and women that serve this nation.
Grover Norquist
Yeah.
John Solomon
Well, they've served us so well. We owe them everything in return, yourself included. George, we're keeping a close eye on your great candidacy in Florida. Hope to have you back on the show again real soon. Thanks for joining us.
George Moritis
Thank you, John. If anybody's interested about the campaign, we're trying to take out the far left, Jared Moskowitz, please come to my website, georgeforcongress.com Good plan.
John Solomon
Everybody go there. All right, folks, that wraps it up. We're handing off to the amazing Grant Finchfeld. Have a great.
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Episode Date: April 7, 2026
Host: John Solomon
Key Guests: Congressman Michael Cloud, Rick De La Torre (former CIA Senior Operations Officer), Scott Dexter (Minnesota whistleblower), Bobby Cherin (Empower Oversight), Grover Norquist (Americans for Tax Reform), George Moritis (Florida Congressional candidate)
This episode centers on a pivotal moment in U.S.-Iran relations, with President Trump issuing an 8pm deadline for Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz or face massive military retaliation. John Solomon provides in-depth coverage of the evolving international crisis, the internal divisions within Iran, the broader geopolitical implications (including China's and Russia's roles), as well as a variety of domestic issues such as surveillance reform, the DEI debate, whistleblower protections, and tax reform. Notably, breaking news arrives during the show: a temporary ceasefire is achieved as Iran agrees (temporarily) to U.S. demands.
[03:09 – 07:22]
[07:22 – 19:42]
[24:56 – 34:52]
[38:05 – 46:47]
[49:59 – 56:34]
[59:11 – 63:14]
On Iran’s Internal Crisis:
“The country knows it is on the losing end of the war, at least on the civilian side. But the IRGC... has been holding out, wanting to fight to death and not to give in.” (John Solomon, [03:09])
On Surveillance Reform:
“The Fourth Amendment, not for sale, needs to be a key component... Insurance companies can't put you in jail, you know, so it's important we have these protections.” (Michael Cloud, [13:26])
On Geopolitics:
“We will now have significant leverage over China. We will now have significant leverage over Russia. We'll be able to negotiate better terms...” (Rick De La Torre, [32:50])
On Whistleblower Courage:
“Unfortunately, because of pressure from the Somali community, a lot of our investigations were shut down or... made more difficult.” (Scott Dexter, [42:19])
On Tax Fairness:
“Every year, 30 million people pay capital gains taxes. 30 million. There aren't 30 million billionaires in the country.” (Grover Norquist, [54:29])
This episode delivers real-time crisis coverage, expert analysis, and hard-hitting interviews, set against the backdrop of one of the most consequential foreign policy moments in decades. It also brings listeners frontline perspectives on critical domestic policy debates, the war on fraud, and the drive for tax reform—always maintaining a tone of directness, urgency, and conservative values.