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John Solomon
Good evening America. Happy Friday. We made it through another week and you're in the latest edition of Just the News. No noise. I'm your host, John Solomon, reporting to you from a snowy nation's capital. Yeah, we got about three or four inches here today. It's always amusing to watch bureaucrats driving in the snow and it has been quite a comedy. As normal tonight, we have a lot more for you on the alleged J6 pipe bombers arrest and how the FBI was finally able to break open that case. Of course, FBI Director Cash Patel was here last night and gave us an exclusive on just how it came down today. FBI Director Dan Bongino led a new look into the mountains of evidence. Or we learned how Dan Bongino led a new look into the mountains of evidence collected by the Bureau and its law enforcement partners since the incident that included hundreds of hours of video footage, cell phone data, credit card data, even license plate readers. What's even more incredible, the arrest was based on the information the FBI already had. The FBI, Justice Department officials stressing that the Bureau obtained no new evidence or tips. Just a fresh look at the case files is all it took. As you heard the Director say last night, it was either gross incompetence or gross negligence on the old FBI's part. He wasn't happy about either. Now we're going to have Congressman Barry Loudermick, the Chairman of the J6 House Committee, in here in just a minute to break down more about this case. He was just briefed by the FBI a few hours ago. He's going to have the very latest, including word that the suspect has confessed to planting those mobs. Now, there was another major development today at the Supreme Court. Just a day after they affirmed Texas's redistricting map for the 2026, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case concerning whether President Trump's order eliminating birthright citizenship is legal, basically ending birthright citizenship for the children of tourists or illegal aliens who come to this country. The this is going to be the big case of the 2025, 2026 session of the Supreme Court. As you know, for a long time, President Trump has raised concerns about anchor babies. Those are babies born here just so that a illegal alien can try to stay here in the country, arguing they have to take care of their child. So the court's going to rule on this. It's going to be an epic, epic case. All right, time to turn to my amazing co host Amanda Head, who always has some epic headlines for us. Amanda, what are you watching today?
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
It was a fun day at the White House and involving professional sports. John, President Trump was at the World cup final draw earlier today at the Kennedy center as the 2026 event will be held here in the United States as well as in Mexico and Canada. And FIFA, soccer's governing body, or as they demand that we say football's governing body, presented the president with its inaugural FIFA Peace Prize. Take a look at how that all went down.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
You definitely deserve the first FIFA Peace.
Congressman Rich McCormick
Prize for your action, for what you have obtained in your way, but you obtained it in an incredible way. And you can always count, Mr. President, on my support, on the support of the entire football community or soccer community to help you make peace and make the world prosper all over the world. This is truly one of the great honors of my life and beyond awards. John and I were discussing this. We saved millions and millions of lives. The Congo as an example. Over 10 million people killed. And it was heading for another 10 million very quickly.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
And the president also participated in the FIFA World cup draw and he had this funny moment after Canadian leader Mark Carney and Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum both drew their respective countries.
Congressman Rich McCormick
President Trump, up to you. Don't forget to mingle.
Randy Sutton
Yeah.
Congressman Rich McCormick
To mix. I think I know what this is going to be now. Everything.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
But let's see.
Congressman Rich McCormick
Are you sure? Are you sure this is the ball?
John Solomon
You can still change it if you want.
Congressman Rich McCormick
Does he know something that I don't know? Let's give it a shot. This is shocking. United States of America.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Good old Process of elimination. Now the United States will play in Group D of the World cup against Australia and Paraguay. And in some more good news for Republicans and the president, the Indiana House has approved their new congressional map. Now, that wing is that map is going to swing all nine congressional district races in favor of the gop. It was seven and two, by the way. Now, this news comes after the Supreme Court allowed the Texas redistricting effort to go ahead for the midterms. But even though it passed by a 57 to 41 vote in the state House, it still needs to get through the Indiana Senate, where there are some Republicans who have voiced opposition. Now, the redraw comes as President Donald Trump pushes Republicans in other states to redraw their maps to give Republicans an edge in the 2026 midterms. So, John, midterms already piping up. But I loved what happened today with FIFA because the Village People played and President Trump got to do his iconic dance. It was a jovial time.
John Solomon
There's a million new MAGA soccer fans today. I think after that, that event is a really important, you know, the redistricting wars are really heating up Florida now. Getting into it. Ron DeSantis calling a special session. The Democrats started something they may have some regrets about when they wake up.
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Meanwhile, stay out of the kitchen.
John Solomon
That's right, they turned down the stove and then ran out of the kitchen. Of course, they don't even want gas stoves now. But anyways, I digress. One more thing I wanted to just quickly mention. I do think I'm hearing a lot of buzz in the Democratic community that Harmeet Dhillon's crackdown on voter rolls is going to have a profound effect. The Democrats just are not going to be able to manufacture fake votes anymore. That is a really big thing. And I literally heard Democrats panicking about this, which tells you something. They may have known all along they were rigging the system. But anyways, it's very interesting to hear. All right, Amanda, while you were out reporting today in the snow, I was in my warm cheer here. But I had a chance a little while ago to talk to the Chairman of the J6 Subcommittee in the House that runs that investigation. He represents the great state of Georgia. And Congressman Barry Loudermore had a private briefing with the FBI just before we talked. He made a lot of news. Have a watch. All right. Joining me now, the member of Congress whose work has done more to help the public understand what really happened on January 6th. Not the original narrative. We were told the chairman of the House Judiciary Subcommittee that is now in charge of the J6 investigation, Congressman and Chairman Barry Loudermuk. Sir, Good to have you back on the show, John.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
It's good to be with you, especially today. We're getting places.
John Solomon
Yes. Well, no member of Congress spent more time trying to figure out what really happened with the January six pipe bombs. And you, you put out the footage, you analyzed it, you did your own work, you got the FBI lab reports. How satisfying is it to know that the new FBI, the new team, was able to solve this case?
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
Well, you know, it's very satisfying because especially from the briefing we had today where they reemphasized, there really wasn't a lot of new information. You know, nothing breaking. There may have been some old information that was just surfacing that had never surfaced before, but nothing that the previous FBI couldn't have accessed themselves if they put a lot into this. And so it was just great investigative work. I've described this January 6th investigation as taking, taking several thousand piece puzzles, putting them all together in one box and then scattering them out on the table upside down and trying to put it together. I mean, the only way you can do that is through a process of elimination. And that's what the FBI did. They put new resources on it, in fact, brought in different specialties from different parts of the country. And I think that was what was key. Not just the same old folks in the Washington field office. Because if you overlook something, you're likely to overlook it again. And I'm not saying there was, but if there was political bias, then moving the older folks out brings new people in. And so that's what they did. New faces looking or new eyes looking at the data as well as different areas of expertise coming in. In fact, they said they took the best of the best and brought them in on this case.
John Solomon
It's just amazing. And the FBI director here said that the reason that the prior regime didn't solve this case quickly like the new team did was either gross incompetence or gross negligence, and that neither was satisfying to him. Do you have any theories why a Chris Wray FBI couldn't do what Casper tells FBI did in really about six weeks time?
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
The question I would ask is not why they couldn't, was why they wouldn't. It just seems like when you go back and you look at how they seem to put a lot of emphasis early on into determining who this person was, but then quickly pulled those resources off and a lot of them were put on going after the people who were protesting at The Capitol and some that went in the Capitol then really didn't do anything. I mean, I'm not a violence denier. We know that there was violence there, but a lot of the prosecution should have never been prosecuted by the grandma who goes into the Capitol, turns around and leaves. But you take people off of an investigation into a potential terrorist attack and you put them on a political witch hunt. I think the question then becomes not why they couldn't, but why they wouldn't.
John Solomon
Yeah, it's a very troubling question when you begin to think about it. It's extraordinary. Now, you had this briefing today. Was there any inkling, has the FBI come up with any motive for the crime, whether there are other co conspirators? Anything that you learned from that briefing caught your attention.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
I mean from the briefing itself. That question was asked and quickly the FBI said, we're not ready to answer that yet and understand that it's still an open investigation. You do have the guy who apparently has confessed to doing it. Now you have got the first person source that we haven't had in five years. You need to really question him. You need to take the forensic evidence you have from him, his cell phone. One of the things that I have asked over the years is who was the gray hoodie person, which we now know as this Brian Cole? Who is he communicating with? The video shows him being on the phone with people. Who is he communicating with? Did he have co conspirators? This is something now that the FBI, they know who it is and they're, they'll be able to track down who he was talking to and then start talking to other people. So the FBI was a little coy with their response, but that's what I would expect at this point. And this is what I want is you don't want to tip off everybody that was involved. I don't believe this guy worked alone. I mean, he could have, but it just doesn't fit the MO So we've still got a lot of work ahead of us. And quite frankly, it's a partnership now between my committee and the FBI and the other agencies that didn't exist in the previous administration. They were obstructionists. I mean, they, as you brought up before, they hid documents. Documents were destroyed. And now we have an FBI, especially Deputy Director Bungino, who I've been working closely with. They're very good. In fact, as they find information that they think will be helpful to us, they'll give us a call and make sure that we can get that information. And we're doing the same thing. As we uncover something, we're sharing it with them.
John Solomon
What an extraordinary partnership and how much progress has been made in just a few short months since that partnership was struck. From the timeline we've learned about six weeks ago, they implement a new Red Team. Within two weeks of that Red Team, they have their suspect. They monitor him for four weeks while they build the case.
From that time frame, it didn't seem like it took very long once a new team got fresh eyes on there to put the evidence together. It seems like the evidence was sitting in plain view of the agents.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
Yeah, I think it was. Of course, you know, they took all the evidence that was obtained five years ago, as well as more information that has surfaced since then. But that's why they were able to move so quickly is, you know, I wasn't sure how long that they were working on this. I had heard they'd been working on it nine months. But during the briefing when they gave the timeline, it didn't pass us by without realizing that is the same timeframe that our committee was also stood up. And I look at our committee of how much progress we've made in that short of time, which was, I felt, was impressive. But for the FBI to take this cold case and turn it around and solve it, I mean, they're confident that they have the guy. And of course, he's apparently made a confession to it. That's extraordinary work. This is the type of FBI that we used to think that we had. Right. This is what the TV shows and the movies were made about. Is this level of investigative work that the FBI does, when they pull together, they not only work together with all the professionals that are in the FBI and they're doing it objectively, but they also bring in partnerships from other investigative agencies to get to the truth.
John Solomon
Yeah, it really is an amazing textbook story of how to really solve a case. After maybe a decade of pursuing false cases and not solving the real ones, now you have a lot of questions still left. Who put up the gallows? Why did this bomber stop by the Congressional Back Caucus and kneel down by a Bush? Were you able to get those answers today, or are those in the next phase of the investigation that's going to.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
Be in the next phase? Most of those questions I have, but I held back asking them because I knew what the answer would be, is that it's premature to do that. But, yeah, we have a lot of questions, even of the pipe bomber, as we've discussed, were the bombs still out there from the night of the 5th till the afternoon of the 6th. If so, why didn't the Secret Service. Bob hit on it or dog hit on that? Or were the devices placed, which we know they were on the fifth, retrieved and then placed back again? And did he leave anything at the Bush, at the Congressional Black Caucus, as we've revealed, that they did make a stop there, stopped at the Bush, knelt down before he got to place the device at the dnc. So there's a lot of unanswered questions, but they have the firsthand source right there, which we hope can provide some good answers. Because if we can just narrow these theories down, we can solve a lot of the other questions in January 6th. And I've always felt that if we can solve the pipe bomb, then you'll start seeing the dominoes fall for all the other strange things that happened on January 6th.
John Solomon
Yeah, I think that that's exactly right. Was the FBI able to give you any inclination of what in this confession, if there's anything unique in the confession he provided any new information, or was it just that they confirmed that he admitted he was involved?
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
It was just a confirmation. They gave very little information there, which I expect and I respect. Most of what they were giving us was the backgr of the investigation because there were several representatives. Well, I think myself and Senator were the only two elected officials on the phone, but there were other members from both sides of the aisle, staffers from different committees and different offices on that, asked questions as well. But they were giving background, I think, to give Congress the sense of they did their due diligence. It wasn't something they did on their own. They involved the U.S. attorney's office. They also had a grand jury that was looking at the evidence, issuing subpoenas. So they dotted the I's and crossed the T's exactly the way that they should have. And I appreciate them sharing that. So it can maybe circumvent some of the conspiracy theories that, you know, that I'm already starting to hear that the FBI just, this isn't the guy, you know. So I think it was important for them to do this level of briefing.
John Solomon
Yeah. Everything the director told us last night on the TV show made that clear. They really did dot I's and cross T's and triple check things. And while they were doing that, they kept a close eye on this gentleman to make sure he had no other nefarious plans with pipe bombs. So the public should rest confident those things happen. Mr. Chairman, you've been such an important Voice for Truth in America. It's such a great honor to have you on this very big day to have you get your perspective and also the latest news from you. Thanks for joining us.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
Well, thank you, John. I think this is just the beginning of a lot more revelations to come and thank you for your coverage and your dealings, too.
John Solomon
Thank you, sir. That means a lot coming from you. All right, have a great weekend, sir. Folks, we're going to take a quick, quick commercial break. More right after these messages.
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What do you think makes the perfect snack?
John Solomon
Hmm, it's got to be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Could you be more specific?
Daniel Cochrane
When it's cravingient okay.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street.
Randy Sutton
At am, pm Or a savory breakfast.
John Solomon
Sandwich I can grab in just a second at AM pm.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
I'm seeing a pattern here.
John Solomon
Well, yeah, we're talking about what I.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Crave, which is anything from AM pm.
Congressman Rich McCormick
What more could you want? Stop by AM PM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience am pm Too much. Good stuff.
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Welcome back everybody. Yesterday, just before the show, John got the chance to sit down with Congressman Rich McCormick to ask him his take. Immediately after the news broke that the alleged J6 pipe bomber had been arrested, as well as how Republicans are looking to fix America's health care system. Take a look.
John Solomon
All right folks, joining us now, Georgia Congressman Rich McCormick who's got some of the biggest and best ideas for getting America back on its feet. He of course represents the great state of Georgia. Congressman, great to have you on the show.
Congressman Rich McCormick
Great to be with you today. Appreciate you.
John Solomon
Back at you sir. Real quickly, just a little top of the news day today. FBI after five years captures someone they believe is the Jim January 6th bomber. They found him in Northern Virginia. New FBI comes in. They put a new team on it. In just a few short weeks they solve something that the Chris Wray FBI could. Just want to get your top of mind thoughts on where we are in that case and maybe just the reform of the FBI.
Congressman Rich McCormick
And overall pretty incredible actually. I have a bunch of buddies that were in the FBI at one time or another that were former Marines. So I have great respect for people who are critical of our intelligence gathering. Yes, it has been weaponized at time. Yes there are bad actors. But I tell you what, we are so lucky that since 911 we really haven't had that level of attack in the United States because of a lot of hard work by a lot of great patriots who do round the clock things behind the scenes are never appreciated. This is great though to see new leadership resulting in something very, very useful. I'll be curious to see what this guy they arrested is really about. I'm sure there will be conspiracy theories that this turns out to be a leftist that they never sought out or prosecuted. And quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised at all because it seems like the left is increasingly violent and then they blame us for being the violent people. It's the ultimate hypocrisy and misdirection that the left is so good at.
John Solomon
It's amazing if you just look at the last few weeks the left is. Seems to be on the side of the drug cartel people bringing the boats across that are getting blown up. They're on the side of the illegal aliens who've committed heinous crimes. They seem to be on the side of people who are not in the interest of the American people. Are they reading their own constituents right?
Congressman Rich McCormick
Well, when you think about even the mass shootings in schools and a lot of times are from trans community people who become violent because they're told all the time how we hate them, we don't hate them. I have great compassion for them, quite frankly. But what I don't want to do is go down a road that normalizes that because I think that's also unhealthy. Hey, I want good things for you, but. But what the left continues to do is demonize us, calling us Nazis, dehumanizing us, making us the bad guys so that it's legitimate to kill us, to harm us, to torture us, to harass us. And that's all on them. I don't think I've ever had any rhetoric come out of my mouth that encourages any sort of that behavior against the left side. But I want to fight them with facts.
John Solomon
That's exactly right. And the facts are the most stubborn thing that we've got. You serve so bravely in our military. You served in the emergency room as a doctor. There is a lot of question about whether we're doing things legitimately in Venezuela. On the left, I think most Americans in the center and on the right totally lockstop with the President. But what do you think of the president's approach to Venezuela? Is it time we deal with this country?
Congressman Rich McCormick
I think we need to deal with this in a couple different ways. First of all, I love the fact that we're playing hardball. If you do, there's a great passage in the Bible that says, but if you do wrong, you should fear for the soldiers and angel wrath to carry out God's punishment. And we are, we are on the side of righteousness. When you come here, imagine any war that cost America a million lives. We've never had a war like that, by the way. Never had a war that even came close. That this war has cost us a million lives. If you're going to go against a principality that's bringing drugs here that could kill 100,000 in one shipment, that certainly ruin millions of people's lives per year. Even the people who don't die, when you have 100,000 people die. But the millions of people that are touched in Negative ways. You are coming here to prosecute war. You deserve what you get. I don't feel bad for these people at all. I don't believe it. Reminds me of the Princess Bride. If they're out in the middle of the waters, in the middle of nowhere, eel infested waters, you're not just a fisherman boat. You're speeding here with a big cargo load of drugs to do harm on the American people. You're going to be taken out. We have great intelligence. You're a bad guy. It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out on the re attack assertion that they reasonably did. I know that some of our upper level guys have already been briefed. I've requested a secret brief on this to find out what the rear admiral was thinking and making sure we're inside the ethical bounds of what we do. But I don't feel bad for these people and we've all along the history of warfare, we've always gone after bad guys here and abroad. I'm worried about the boots on the ground a little bit because I don't want to lose American lives. Ultimate solution to this is teach your kids from the time they're three years old that when you buy drugs, yeah, you may overdose, yeah, you may die, but really you're supporting rapists, child traffickers, human traffickers, people who take over entire countries and put their people into poverty just because you bought their drugs. You're doing that and people won't buy drugs anymore. It won't be cool, it won't be worth the high and then we'll get rid of the demand and everything else crumbles from there.
John Solomon
That is a winning strategy. Ending that demand by just educating the public about who their dealers really are. It'd be a powerful thing. You wore that uniform. I wondered what you thought. I'm glad to have the opportunity now to ask you. When you heard six senators suggest that men and women might have been getting illegal orders from President Trump and therefore should ignore them, what ran through your mind when you heard that?
Congressman Rich McCormick
If you think about what we do for a living and everybody's well briefed on what's legal and not legal, everybody understands what's moral and immoral, everybody's already told you don't follow illegal orders. But for them to basically infer first of all that they're illegally and then secondly infer that they should stand up and resist against their commander in chief and then I have your back, that was the most dishonest statement of all. We have your back. You don't have their back. If you resist a legal order, a lawful order, and that's what they're insinuating, is that when you make a moral objection to what the President is doing because of maybe a political reason, we'll make sure that you're taken care of. You will not. You'll be a headline on the news. You'll talk about, oh, I'm going to fight for you. And a week later, guess what, you're on to the next topic. And those military people who disobey that lawful order will be prosecuted. They will be on a court martial, they will lose their retirement, they'll lose their place in history, and you will not have their back. That's a dishonest argument. Shame on them. They should be. They should literally be embarrassed of themselves because they are. First of all, their insinuation and the. Secondly, that they don't have their back. For them to say that they're going to cover them when they, when they do something, they take a political stand, because that's all this is. This is a legal stand. This is a political stand. We'll have your back. No, you won't. Dishonest.
John Solomon
Well said, sir. You're leading on so many important issues in Congress. One of them is procurement reform in the Pentagon. Another is working on our medical system. Something close to your heart. As a doctor, you've got a very important bill. You're working on medical professional, the Medical Professional Access Act. Tell us a little bit about that and why it's important to the reform we need to give our health care system.
Congressman Rich McCormick
And this doesn't affect everybody every day, but when there's an emergency, if you need doctors to come across state borders and be qualified without all the rigmarole, the legal regulation, the things that hold us up from getting things done, when there's an emergent condition, it gets rid of all that. Quite frankly, I've been. I've worked in several different states. The state requirements aren't that different, but the accreditation has to be done for each and every state, just like a lawyer. But if we're an emergency and you need me to come in as an ER doc and help out people, there should be no barriers. You need me there. The Good Samaritan action always covers. But let's get rid of that. Let's just make it legal for me to go across the state boundary and actually help somebody in need when you have that catastrophe, it's pretty simple. Bears should be bipartisan, non controversial. I also want to point out that we Met with the speaker and the leader today on the future of health care in America. Really important discussions on how to keep it accountable, how to tack down our premiums. But by the way, anybody who thinks that Medicare supplementation is going to solve it, it makes a 4% difference on an 18% hike would then be only 14% hike and only for 7% of the population is going to affect. So literally it's 4% increase more on just 7% of the people. So that's how minuscule this is. If you really want to solve health care, get rid of all the regulatory burden, the barriers they do for competition. If you look at what the insurance companies are doing, they are bad actors. They make up a significant portion of the Fortune 500, the top 10. They're making 230% more profit than they did before the Borrow Care Act. They deny a third of all claims and they're accepting hundreds of thousands of false claims. In other words, false policies where they're getting paid and they never have to pay it back. They don't have to have a penalty. And it's funny, for a third of all claims to be denied during a case where we have electronic medical records, scribes, coders, me spending lots of hours after to make sure it's airtight and then to get away with a third of all denials or to deny a proof standard care procedure. And yet they can get away with receiving money because they have no accountability for accepting a policy with a false Social Security number, a false identity. They have no problem with that and there's no penalty for that. We have a lot of reforms doing medicine to keep us accountable because we're the ones paying the price. The average family now pays over $30,000 a year for a family of four for health care insurance. That's stupid. Incredible. Stupid. And we need to get to the bottom of this real quick because we have the most unaffordable health care system in the world. And the Affordable Care act accelerated that times 10. Shame on us. Your insurance premium has gone up by 90% since the beginning of the Affordable Care act. Doctors make 30% less and it's sending us into ruin right now. Thank you Democrats for making that policy.
John Solomon
Yeah, those are the real statistics too, sir. Real quickly before they go. I heard in your voice the notion that competition is a way to solve this. Breaking down some of these state cartels, allowing insurers to compete across state lines. Is that something that Republicans might offer in a bill?
Congressman Rich McCormick
That's a huge part of it. And actually the Senate and the Congress are kind of getting back on the same page again, which I'm really excited about. Also allowing you to just have catastrophic insurance. Imagine that Obama took that right away from you at any age, basically saying, hey, look, I'm only going to use my insurance for catastrophic. It's like using your car insurance the way you do right now. If I get in the car wreck, you cover me. But if I don't, you're not changing my car oil, you're not changing my blinker, you don't change when I get a flat tire. If you did, your insurance fee for a car would be absolutely unaffordable. And yet that's what they required us to do with health care so they could take the most healthy individuals and make them pay a premium to cover all the unhealthy people. And it just wasn't fair. It's really incentive of having Medicaid, Medicare. We need to get back to the basics. Make it affordable for all Americans, not just 7%. Decrease it by 4% of a premium where you're still having double digit increases for everybody in America because of the bad actors. We need to get past that and do what's right for America.
John Solomon
A lot of common sense and what you're all working on now that is going to be welcomed by the American people. Congressman Richard McCormick, always an honor to have you on the show. Thanks for joining us today.
Congressman Rich McCormick
My pleasure. I hope you have a blessed Christmas. Semper Fidelis, my friend.
John Solomon
Yeah. Thank you for your service. We are grateful for it and the continued service. All right folks, what a great interview. Quick commercial break. More right after the these messages.
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Welcome back, America. One of the things we've been talking about, the next few years of regulatory and legislative history will perhaps govern an entire generation of technology in America. Joining us now to discuss that is technology expert and senior research associate at the center for Technology and the Human Person at the Heritage Foundation, Daniel Cochrane. Daniel, great to have you on the show.
Daniel Cochrane
Great to be with you.
Congressman Barry Loudermilk
All right.
John Solomon
There's a lot that's been going on and one of the things we're beginning to look and I just talked to Senator Marsha Blackburn about this. She's got some legislation she wants to address with this. Meta kind of knew that it was putting children at risk on its platform and tried to downplay it. That was a pretty significant revelation in court documents, no?
Daniel Cochrane
Oh, that's right. In fact, recent court documents reveal that Meta employees referred to their own technology as narcotics. They referred to themselves as drug pushers. That's what senior META officials that are responsible for the design and deployment of their social media products said. And I think it's a wake up call for Americans because these same companies are now pushing Congress and the administration to grant them 10 years of amnesty from state level regulation on social media and AI. The same companies that have been addicting our kids for years now want to make sure that states are powerless to resist them and to protect American kids and families. That's a real dangerous place to be in our current state.
John Solomon
Yeah, no doubt.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Well, Daniel, this was exposed at Meta, but I have no doubt that this is happening. I mean this has got to be platform wide when it comes to other social media platforms, online, online gaming like Roblox.
Daniel Cochrane
Oh, absolutely. I mean, look at TikTok for example. Even though it's, it's now we're, we're still looking to see what the, what the deal that the administration is inked with ByteDance. We don't, not all those details are public, but we know that the company has been engaged in some really concerning activities with respect to kids safety. We know, for example, that they estimate that it's around, they estimate within 30 to 60 minutes of videos they can form an addictive habit. They know that their algorithms are highly, highly addictive to children. And they know that the algorithmic systems that they've deployed do in fact recommend dangerous content to kids. And they're undergoing multiple lawsuits, including one by the family of a teen who took, took his life after watching a video encouraging children to self asphyxiate. That's really a concerning trend and it's targeted at America's most vulnerable citizens, our kids, the mentally disabled. These are the people that are affected by these technologies. And if the companies have their way, there'll be no protections whatsoever, not even at the state level.
John Solomon
One of the things I talked to Senator Marsha Blackburn about the other day was sexual exploitation, because it's pretty clear that these platforms particularly made anew that there were these sexual predators or sexually explicit targeters going on, and oftentimes a dozen, more than a dozen times, they wouldn't take them off the platform. Tell us a little bit about the culture that doesn't want to take a sexual predator offline.
Daniel Cochrane
Well, take Instagram, for example, and this is one of the revelation in the court documents. They had senior executives within Meta telling leadership that they needed to make changes to ensure, for example, that their algorithms weren't recommending making friend recommendations to children, linking them with sex predators. Their systems literally were doing that, linking kids and sex predators together. They recognized that sexual content was being served up to minors on the platform. They recognized that because of the way that you could message people, you could have a stranger messaging children. All of these were concerns flagged by outside organizations, but most crucially, internal groups within Meta. And for years, leadership turned a blind eye. And we now know from these internal documents that the reason they turned a blind eye was because they were concerned that implementing these safeguards for kids would create friction, which would reduce engagement. Again, these companies are optimizing, for one thing, that they're optimizing for your eyeballs. They're trying to keep you clicking and scrolling. And Mark Zuckerberg and senior executives at these companies said, look, if we protect kids, that might get in the way of our profits, and profits come before children. That's ultimately the message coming out of these documents.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
So what can Congress do? Because to me, this is pure evil. When you put profit ahead of the safety of kids, that's the bottom of the rung.
Daniel Cochrane
Absolutely. Well, look, Congress needs to get its act together, and we need to start by fixing social media. The Kids Online Safety act, as introduced by Senator Blackburn would be a great start from a policy perspective. It would requ A duty of care. And a duty of care is really important here because what it fundamentally means is that when these companies deploy products that children are accessing, they have to consider the safety of children and how they're deployed. So we would essentially create a legislative vehicle by which parents and communities could hold these companies accountable in court if they're putting out products that they know harm children. Again, this isn't a Big mistake. These companies know that the harms are being done. Their own studies indicate it. And what we need to do is create legal instruments so that state AGs and parents can hold them to account. And that's what a, that's what legislation like the Kids Online Safety act with Senator Blackburn has, has led for years in, in the Senate. That's what that legislation would do.
John Solomon
Yeah, Profit over protection. What a mindset the big tech companies have had. It's the wrong mindset, sir. Great to have you on the show today. All the great work you do at the Heritage foundation is greatly appreciated. Daniel, thanks for joining us today.
Daniel Cochrane
Thank you.
John Solomon
Yeah. Great to have you on. All right, folks, quick commercial break. When we come back, another story about how artificial intelligence can be used to manipulate the public in dangerous ways, including faking a school burning to the ground. We'll get to that next right after these messages.
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Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Oh, imagine this. You are a parent and while you are scrolling X or Facebook or whatever, you see an image of your child school on fire. What would you do? Well, that's exactly what happened at a Texas high school a few weeks ago and it caused major panic in that community. So joining us now to discuss this former Police officer, detective and lieutenant. Also the founder and chair of the board of the Wounded Blue. He also has a book out called rescuing911. Randy Sutton. Lieutenant, thanks so much for being with us tonight.
Randy Sutton
Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Likewise. We love having you. And, but this is a, this is a scary, scary prospect. And for law enforcement, I imagine that there's got to be like a panic purgatory type situation where you don't know what's true or what's not. What's your view on all this?
Randy Sutton
Well, you know, AI is that we're just at the very beginning of this technology in all reality. And the law enforcement ramifications to this technology is just being felt. So this is like the great uncharted territory for law enforcement. And we will see abuses, we will see danger, and we're going to have to learn how to cope with this. And just like every other technology advancement, there's always bad actors that are involved and we're going to have to feel our way around and learn how to deal with it.
John Solomon
Yeah, this is basically the AI version of swatting, right? You could literally create a police response with a fake image or a fake video. And of course, anytime that happens, the danger just rises of a possible mistake or shooting or something. Are police departments beginning to come to grips that this is going to be a reality of the future?
Randy Sutton
Well, you know, like the law enforcement community is always on the tail end of the learning curve and that's an unfortunate reality. You have 18,000 different police agencies. All of them have different training protocols, all of them have different leadership. And so learning how to cope with the various technologies that are coming forth is always a slow process. You'll remember how we began dealing with active shooters after Columbine. It was a long, slow slog. And even to this day, law enforcement agencies are learning how to deal with these situations. So when we see this, I'm not, I guess, I guess it's an advancement in technology, but it also has, has with it a great deal of issues that law enforcement is going to have to learn how to deal with and then train in order to. To deal with these situations.
John Solomon
Yeah, yeah, that's the key, training.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Randy. I do think there's a silver lining here though, because this is all coming of age, if you will, at a time when, because of the person who is in the Oval Office, you've got recruitment for law enforcement at an all time high. And a lot of those recruits are young people. And young people are very adept at spotting something that's AI. I've got a lot of young people around me in this office, and I'll send them a video that I think is hilarious. And they're like, oh, that's AI. I'm like, I have no idea. I'm over 40, so. And you have these older officers who might not recognize that, but someone under 30 for sure will.
Randy Sutton
Well, but you have to understand that we are still in a law enforcement crisis. We're in a law enforcement crisis. When it comes down to recruitment, when it comes down to retention, we have fewer officers policing our major cities than ever before. I just got a very disturbing message yesterday from a police officer in Minneapolis. They are so understaffed that they can't even answer their 911 calls. And they are. Their leadership is in complete disarray. And this is not just in minneap. We're seeing this inability to retain and to recruit officers who are competent officers who can pass all of the tests, both physically, emotionally, and psychologically. And so we're right in the midst of a crisis that very few people are talking about. And that's actually why I wrote that book, Rescuing 911, the Fight for America's safety. Because this has now become a generational issue, and we are not. We are not coping well. And that is. That's not being talked about much at the. At the higher levels, but that is the reality.
John Solomon
Very, very stuff. Randy, before we let you go. You're always doing good. You're working hard to make sure that we never forget the men and women and the families of the men and women that serve in blue. I grew up in an all blue family, so this. This is really close to my heart. Tell us about the newest campaign asking for $9.11 to help injured officers and their families.
Randy Sutton
Well, you know, the wounded blue is the national assistance and support organization for injured and disabled officers. We've helped more than 16,000 officers. Whether they've been injured physically or emotionally and psychologically. We can't do it without the people who care. So we're asking people to donate $9.11 for police officers to help them cope with the situations when they get either physically and emotionally. Because the way we say it is like this, that when people need help, they call 91 1, but when the police need help, they call the wounded blue. So we're asking. We're asking the American public who care about their cops to just donate $9.11. And I hate to be stereotypical, but it's less than the amount of a coffee and a donut in all reality. So we are, we're asking people to do that. And we also have guitarsforheroes.com people people can get, we have, we have teamed with some of the most amazing country music people you can imagine. Vince Gill, Mark Wills, just an incredible amount of of country music singers who have signed guitars for us. Go to guitarsforheroes.com just this week and you can bin on a guitar signed by your favorite artist that will help American law enforcement officers across this country.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Absolutely. That's just for eight more days, everybody. So go to guitars, the number4heroes.com and that is going on until December 13th. And then of course, the wounded blue. Everybody donate $9.11. As you said, cheaper than a cup of coffee and a donut. Donut. Randy, former police officer, detective and lieutenant and always a great guest on our show. Thanks so much for being with us and everybody again, go check that out. The Wounded Blue. And so final thoughts from the two of us coming up after this break.
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Welcome back, everybody. This town was all about FIFA today. Andrea Bocelli singing Nessum Dorma at the Kennedy Center. Yes, absolutely incredible. President Trump lending his voice to the name of football. And listen, as an avid football fan for my entire life, I know I'm college. John is typically your college. I'm not talking about up until now, you would have been hard pressed to convince a red blooded American to rename the sport of football to something else. But President Trump today declared in that room, he's talking about the little black and white ball. He said, this is definitely football. And he suggested that we should consider renaming American football. John, I don't know many Americans who, even if they support President Trump, would support that idea.
John Solomon
Yeah, that happened.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
No. What would you even call it? You can't use handball. That's taken. Throw ball. That's dumb.
John Solomon
We're not changing. I'm just not giving in on this one. We're not doing. We're holding the line on this one.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
You know who's not holding the line? Texas Democrat Lloyd Doggett. He's not holding the line. He got redistricted out in Texas. He is one of those Democrats who is losing his seat, literally. So he's out.
John Solomon
The Republican prospects are pretty solid. You think of all the things that have happened, the cleaning of the voter rolls, the redistricting, the likelihood that the economy will catch up. You had a good story on that the other day in time for the 26th election, so. And if we can get mortgage rates down with a new Fed chairman and improving economy, shrinking government, the key thing, I think while these Democrats are bailing out, there's a lot of Republicans bailing out, too. But the president doing an affordability tour, I think will be a really key moment. I'm pretty certain he's going to go on that affordability tour starting next week.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Speaking of keys and affordability, or maybe you pronounce it K. I'm writing a story on it. But typing and pronouncing are two different things. Key cars, key trucks. Kei, these are these little. Typically you see them in Asia, in Japan and South Korea, a little bit in China and South Chinese or South Asian countries. President Trump, with those regulations that he lifted a few days ago that he announced in the Oval Office, you might be seeing a lot of really cute little trucks driving around America's roads. And guess what? They start at, like, $3,000.
John Solomon
$3,000.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
That's President Trump on affordability. He's trying to make America's highways more affordable.
They look like mini trucks. They're really cute. They're like the size of, like, a large golf course. I think they're about max is 11ft long by, like, less than 6ft wide and about 4ft high. 5ft high. They're cute. They're just my size.
John Solomon
Yeah. Yeah. I think that's great. President Trump has another idea of affordability. Give 2000 bucks back to every family from Tariffs. Guess how popular it is. It's really popular. 62%. And Rasmus in the reports were poll this week, President's got all these things in his toolbox and I think he's going to start flinging them out there.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
32, excuse me, 34% who strongly agree with the proposition 29 who said they disapprove of the idea, including 18% who strongly disagree. How do you think economists will be on board? Because I remember this stimulus checks during COVID and It was about 5050.
John Solomon
Yeah, listen, I think at the end of the day it really comes down to what's the impact on the deficit because at some point the one thing that does threaten every aspect of is a deficit. Because if we drive up interest rates because the deficit keeps going over a cliff. But I have a funny feeling that when President Trump does his next Oval Office speech, he'll be talking about cutting the size of government by like 10 or 20%. That's pretty big. And he probably has a mandate to do it if he can just get it done. His problem are the Senate Republicans. They don't want to do anything. The do nothing Senate dogs.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Well, if he makes that announcement in the Oval Office on Monday, I'll be there because I forgot to tell you, I'm pool duty on Monday. I'll be at the White House all day. So maybe he'll make that announcement. But we shall see. Lots. I know. All right, John, we're just a few weeks out from Christmas. Are you ready?
John Solomon
Not even close.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Okay, well, it doesn't matter because it's coming anyway.
John Solomon
Lisa, snow got me thinking about it.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
I imagine your wife is ready.
John Solomon
She's always ready. She's like always perfectly prepared. I'm never perfectly prepared.
Logan Ury / Hinge Representative
Absolutely is ready for everything. Well, we are ready for Christmas. We're ready for the Christmas spirit. If you did not see the videos of the snow here today, go check it out. We've got it posted on social media. It's absolutely beautiful. Fat, fluffy flakes. It was just spectacular. I took a video over at the White House, so go check it out. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being with us on this fat, fluffy snowflake Friday. That was a mouthful. All right, everybody. Indeed it was. All right, everybody, thanks so much for being with us. We'll see you on Monday.
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Episode Date: December 6, 2025
Hosts: John Solomon & Amanda Head
Featured Guests: Congressman Barry Loudermilk, Congressman Rich McCormick, Daniel Cochrane (Heritage Foundation), Randy Sutton (The Wounded Blue)
This episode focuses on a range of current political and social issues framed through breaking news events—a significant update on the January 6th (J6) pipe bomber investigation, Supreme Court action on birthright citizenship, congressional redistricting battles, the FIFA Peace Prize event with former President Trump, big tech and child safety, and rising AI-related challenges for law enforcement. The show delivers a mixture of exclusive interviews, expert analysis, and pointed commentary on these headline topics.
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