Just the News No Noise with John Solomon and Amanda Head, November 12th, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: Real America’s Voice – Just the News No Noise

Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Amanda Head (with frequent guest appearances)
Notable Guests: Rep. Beth Van Duyne (TX), Richard Stern (Heritage Foundation), Daniel Cochran (Heritage Foundation), Bill D’Agostino (Media Research Center)

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Overview

This episode, hosted by Amanda Head, centers primarily on the ongoing and historic U.S. government shutdown, the political dynamics that led to its resolution, and the broader implications for both parties going into the next legislative phase. The second half of the episode pivots to urgent policy and social concerns, including U.S.-China fentanyl agreements, the surge of generative AI, its political and cultural impacts, and how the mainstream media covers political crises—especially regarding accountability. Conversations feature first-hand accounts from Congress, policy analysts, and media researchers, offering a blend of real-time updates, analysis, and sharp critique.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Historic Government Shutdown and the Political Fallout

• Amanda Head opens the episode with breaking news: the House is actively voting to reopen the government after the longest shutdown in U.S. history.

  • Democrats’ Perspective: Some Democratic members, highlighted through CNN soundbites, claim the shutdown was “worth it” for drawing attention to important issues, despite hardships.
    • “Yeah, I think so. I hate it. But yeah, it was worth it. Definitely.” (Democratic Rep., [02:42])
    • “We made it clear that this a traumatic in many cases life or death situation…for people all over the country.” ([02:53])
  • Amanda notes Democratic infighting, with criticism of Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) for caving or mismanaging the shutdown.
    • “We are talking about a coordinated effort of eight senators with the knowledge of Leader Schumer voting to break with the entire Democratic Party in exchange for nothing.” —AOC ([03:40])

• Republican Response:

  • Interview with Rep. Beth Van Duyne (TX), who frames the shutdown as needless political brinkmanship by Democrats, particularly Schumer, insisting it yielded “absolutely nothing” and hurt Americans unnecessarily.
    • “…43 days, they’ve gotten absolutely nothing. But they knew that going into it. Instead, what you’ve seen is 1.3 million military wondering when they’re going to get their next paycheck…43 million people lose their SNAP benefits. This was all preventable.” —Van Duyne ([06:09])
  • She praises Speaker Mike Johnson for “holding the line” despite outside skepticism, crediting his resolve and integrity.
    • “I think Speaker Johnson does not get enough credit where credit is due…He is very much a man of his word.” ([10:58])

• Political Calculations:

  • Amanda and Richard Stern (Heritage) analyze why Democrats ultimately agreed to end the shutdown:
    • Political backlash from constituents, not from procedural wins.
    • Vulnerabilities for Schumer, who now appears to have alienated both progressives and moderates in his party.
    • Impacts felt by Americans: furloughed workers, regulatory uncertainty for businesses, and significant economic toll (“tens of billions of dollars” - Stern, [18:53])
    • Underlying negotiation failures; the current deal only buys three months, setting up another funding showdown in January.

2. U.S.–China Fentanyl Agreement

• Amanda recounts FBI Director Cash Patel’s announcement of a landmark deal between the U.S. and China to crack down on the chemicals used to make fentanyl—an urgent public health and national security concern.
  • “The PRC has fully designated and listed all 13 precursors utilized to make fentanyl…agreed to control seven chemical subsidiaries…” ([04:50])
  • Cautious optimism is expressed: “Anything the CCP says, we are going to need to, you know, I guess tacitly trust, but verify…” —Amanda, ([05:03])

3. Debate over Socialist Economic Policies in NYC

• Amanda and Richard Stern dissect the rise of leftist politics in New York City, especially Zohran Mamdani’s proposals for government-run grocery stores and tax hikes.
  • Stern points out the logistical impossibility and historical failures of such government-managed models:
    • “Grocery stores already operate at a profit margin of 1 to 3%. It’s a miracle…Do you really think the government and government bureaucrats can figure out the supply chains…? Absolutely not.” ([22:45])
  • They discuss the danger of false perceptions if radical reforms stall: if negative impacts are slow or limited, socialist policies may gain undeserved political validation.

4. Homeownership Crisis & Trump’s 50-Year Mortgage Proposal

• Amanda contextualizes the housing struggle among young Americans, contrasting optimistic interpretations (“steps toward homeownership”) with criticisms (“just a 50-year rental agreement”).
• Stern observes:
  • The core is lack of housing supply due to overregulation and taxation—not simply mortgage terms ([27:22]).
  • Extending mortgages without addressing supply will only raise house prices and is “mostly a false promise.”

5. Artificial Intelligence: Hype, Risks, and Policy

• Daniel Cochran (Heritage) discusses the “AI war” (primarily with China), the increasing sophistication of generative AI in entertainment, and the unprecedented challenges it poses in the information space.

  • “We’ve crossed a threshold. While AI is able to create and produce videos, music, even the likeness of various actors that are indistinguishable from real life…it creates a lot of opportunities, but a lot of challenges.” —Cochran ([32:02])

• Debate over Sam Altman’s push for government-backed loans for AI chip plants:

  • Criticism that this models the “too big to fail” approach, favoring regulatory capture and monopolization.
    • “This is about monopolizing the market and having the US Federal government pay for it.” —Cochran ([34:04])
  • Data privacy, regulatory, and antitrust concerns raised around big AI companies—calls for decentralized ecosystems and strong legislative guardrails.

• AI’s Threat to Democracy:

  • The danger that AI-generated content could undermine trust in elections. Disinformation could be dismissed or weaponized as “just AI”—creating a “post-truth world.”
    • “We’re going to have to create systems and institutions to reckon with what might be called a post truth world created by this generative artificial intelligence.” ([32:02])
    • “Have we experienced our last clean election? …If a damaging video comes out about a candidate, they can just say it’s AI.” —Amanda ([38:18])
    • Cochran insists decentralization and content provenance are essential, but warns this is “a very hard problem” ([41:28]).

6. Media Coverage of the Shutdown—Bias and Obfuscation

• Interview with Bill D’Agostino (Media Research Center) exposes how mainstream networks covered for Democrats during the shutdown, providing little context or accountability until the resolution was imminent.
  • “If you got all of your news from say, like ABC or CBS or NBC, you probably don’t even know how this shutdown really happened. And that’s by design.” —D’Agostino ([45:04])
  • When coverage shifts, it’s mainly to allow outlets to claim “nonzero” mention for future deniability.
• Amanda and Bill critique the prevalence of “tribal” thinking on both sides, and how biased media leaves regular Americans uninformed about the true causes of political crises.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the “worth” of the shutdown:
  • “Yeah, I think so. I hate it. But yeah, it was worth it. Definitely. We got people to pay attention…” —Democratic member, [02:42]
• On Schumer’s political maneuvering:
  • “There’s no one vote that ended this shutdown. We are talking about a coordinated effort…in exchange for nothing.” —Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, [03:40]
• On Speaker Johnson’s resolve:
  • “He is a very strong man. He’s very much a man of his word…he deserves a lot more credit than a lot of the mainstream media give him.” —Rep. Van Duyne, [10:58]
• On government-run grocery stores:
  • “Do you really think the government … can figure out the supply chains to get hundreds of thousands of items on store shelves? Absolutely not.” —Richard Stern, [22:45]
• On the danger of AI disinformation:
  • “We’re going to have to create new systems and institutions to reckon with what might be called a post-truth world created by this generative artificial intelligence.” —Daniel Cochran, [32:02]
• On media accountability:
  • “If you got all of your news from…ABC or CBS or NBC, you probably don’t even know how this shutdown really happened. And that’s by design.” —Bill D’Agostino, [45:04]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Shutdown Framing: [01:55]–[04:24]
• AOC vs. Schumer: [03:07]–[04:24]
• Rep. Beth Van Duyne Interview: [05:58]–[11:37]
• Analysis with Richard Stern: [18:30]–[28:52]
• AI & Tech Segment with Daniel Cochran: [31:11]–[42:22]
• Media Coverage Critique with Bill D’Agostino: [44:44]–[49:31]
• Shutdown vote updates and floor debate excerpts: [51:35]–[57:21] (live coverage snippets and immediate reactions)

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Takeaway

This episode vividly illustrates the state of contemporary U.S. politics—polarized, performative, and increasingly shaped by sophisticated media and technology. The government shutdown exposed fault lines within and between parties, and the hosts and guests suggest that both policy failures and information failures are contributing to voter disillusionment. If the trends in AI, media consolidation, and “post-truth politics” continue, the challenge for American democracy will only grow.

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Welcome everybody to this Wednesday edition of JUST the News. No noise. I'm your host Amanda Head here in the nation's capital of Washington, dc. My co host John Solomon is out on assignment tonight, but he's going to be rejoining me tomorrow. Now tonight the House is voting on finally reopening the government after the longest shutdown in American history, whether you felt it or not. Now we're going to have quite a bit on that tonight as the vote continues, including some reaction for both sides of the aisle. And let's start with the Democrats because as I showed you last night, a number of them are not very happy about efforts to reopen the government. And believe it or not, some actually admitted that they believed the shutdown was worth it. Seriously. Watch this from CNN of all places.

[D]

Shut down worth it?

[B]

Yeah, I think so. I hate it. But yeah, it was worth it. Definitely. We got people to pay attention to the fact that this is a traumatic in many cases life or death situation.

[D]

For people all over country.

[E]

Was the shutdown worth it? I think it was, because I think the perception. We made it clear that this not.

[D]

Just the health care issue, but the whole issue.

[B]

And the infighting has continued. Over on the Democrat side, for example, a lot of us have been speculating that Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer was keeping the government closed so that he wouldn't be seen as caving into President Trump in the hopes of keeping a possible Senate run from Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez at bay. Well, it turns out the AOC is already in campaign mode.

[A]

I think it's important that we understand.

[B]

That this is not just about Senator Schumer, but that this is about the Democratic Party. Senator Schumer.

[A]

There's no one vote that ended this shutdown. We are talking about a coordinated effort of eight senators with the knowledge of Leader Schumer voting to break with the entire Democratic Party in exchange for nothing.

[B]

Mm. So what you just saw there was an attack on Schumer presented as an attack on the whole party. That kind of thing is exactly what Minority Leader Schumer was trying to avoid. Now, like I said, we are going to have a lot more on this throughout the show tonight. But moving on now to FBI Director Cash Patel, who announced that the US And China reached an agreement to combat fentanyl precursors, quote, at a level never seen before.

[F]

Thanks to President Trump's direct engagement.

[B]

President Xi, the government of China committed.

[D]

Fully to my engagement there on the ground in Beijing at a level never seen before. While at Ministry of Public Security headquarters, I met with my counterpart at nps, where the Chinese government agreed on a plan to stop fentanyl precursors.

[F]

What does that mean?

[G]

The People's Republic of China has fully.

[D]

Designated and listed all 13 precursors utilized to make fentanyl.

[B]

Furthermore, they have agreed to control seven.

[F]

Chemical subsidiaries that are also utilized to.

[D]

Produce this lethal drug.

[B]

And FBI Director Patel went on to say that President Trump had shut off the pipeline that creates fentanyl and kills tens of thousands of Americans a year. Director Patel also said that these fentanyl precursors would no longer be used by the Mexican drug cartels, presumably because they wouldn't be made anymore or because they're getting blown up in the Caribbean. Now, fentanyl was one of the subjects of conversation between President Trump and Chinese President Xi last month at their meeting in South Korea. And it was after that meeting that President Trump announced that the Chinese would be taking real steps to to end the manufacture of the fentanyl precursors. However, as with anything, that the CCP says we are going to need to, you know, I guess tacitly trust, but verify, let's put it that way. All right, everybody. So we are keeping an eye on the shutdown vote. And joining us now is Texas Congresswoman Beth Van Dyne. Congresswoman, thanks so much for being here.

[C]

Thank you. It's good to be on. I appreciate you having me.

[B]

We are delighted to have you tell us the mood on the floor right now. I know the vote is. We're still waiting on it to happen, but what's the mood?

[C]

Well, this is the first time many of us have seen each other in quite some time, so everybody's catching up. Very excited to be back on the floor, ready to vote, ready to vote this in and ready to move forward and make sure that we are going to be back all next week, Monday through Friday, voting on bills that all of us have introduced and are excited to have. So I think we have looked at this government shutdown as being all about nothing, I think. I hate to give AOC credit, but she said it quite right. Schumer shut this down, and at the end of 43 days, they've gotten absolutely nothing. But they knew that going into it. Instead, what you've seen is 1.3 million military wondering when they're going to get their next paycheck. You saw 13,000 air traffic controllers without pay who are still going to work, and you saw 43 million people lose their SNAP benefits. This was all preventable. And this was all because you had Democrats like Chuck Schumer not actually wanting to give in to their radical left base. It was completely avoidable. And finally, we are back here because a little more than a handful of Democrats in the Senate got some sense.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, absolutely avoidable. And a game of chicken that, as far as I think the voters are concerned, Democrats lost because we just played a montage of Democrat members of Congress saying that it was, quote, worth it, literally, to have this shutdown. But in the end, their voters perceived that they caved. So how is that worth it?

[C]

I don't think it's worth. I think everyone that I just saw that was just interviewed took a deep pause beforehand and said, okay, I have to say it was worth it, because otherwise I'm admitting that this was a total waste of time and a failure. So, yeah, they're gonna have to say that to save face. But the fact is, is that we just lost 43 days of business that we could have been doing. And not to mention the damage on the economy. I think the press Secretary today said it best when she started itemizing how much this is going to cost the American people and our economy because of an unnecessary shutdown. So I again, I am anxious to be back. I think we're looking at, you know, three spending bills and appropriations, including agriculture. You're looking at legislative and our veterans bills that hopefully will get passed as well tonight. Now, I know that John Thune has promised a vote on extending some of the provisions on health care. We'll see if that actually happens in the House. I don't believe that Speaker Johnson has made any such promise. But moving forward, we're going to be here all next week voting on bills. And again, I am just thankful that a little over a handful of senior Senate Democrats came to their senses.

[B]

What was it that brought Democrats to the table? Was there anything that really, anything of substance that really changed or was it really just them kind of needing some type of cop out to say, well, at least we got this.

[C]

So I did our job. You know, the House did its job and it passed a bill. I have not been any of the meetings with the senators, but if I had to guess, I would say that they were feeling the pain. They were feeling those strong opinions from many of their constituents who were making no harsh harshness in calling them and letting them know this is ridiculous. Open the government back up. I think they realized that this was a fool's effort, was for all for nothing, and they were getting calls. So I think constituents should be very proud of yourselves that you actually, you know, were able to move, move the dial on a number of your Democrat senators, which is what we've been saying all along. You know, but moving forward, there's, there's a difference. You look at what Republicans have been able to do even the last six weeks. We passed, you know, our one big beautiful bill before we left that is giving something to seniors. It's giving something to people who, you know, no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, giving seniors more dollars. We are opening the economy. We are bringing back businesses from overseas. We're looking manufacturing focused on the middle class. These are all things to give people opportunity, more money in their pockets and more ability to be able to be successful. On the opposite side, you see Democrats vote 15 times to keep a government shut down, have not only just federal money not being paid, federal employees not being paid, but the risk and the harm that it's done in the American public, all while complaining that we're not at work. And yet I've been up to D.C. a number of times in the last six weeks, I have yet to see very many of my Democrats. And for those of them who are taking paychecks, shame on you.

[B]

Yeah. I got to say, from the videos that I've seen on social media, it doesn't seem like Democrats are exactly champing at the bit to get back to work on Capitol Hill. I want to ask you about Speaker Johnson's role in this. I will be quite candid. Over the course of the last month or so, we've had a number of members of Congress on this show. I've spoken to voters out in the country who were a little concerned that Speaker Johnson might not hold the line. He has. Was that of his own volition or did he need. Did he need some of you guys to really kind of help him remain tough in all of this?

[C]

I think Speaker Johnson does not get enough credit where credit is due. He is a very strong man. He's very much a man of his word. And I think he read the rest of the conference that was saying, look, none of us voted for the aca. None of us are going to vote for the advanced provisions. If you bring this back, back to the House, it will not pass. But that also being said, you know, Mike Johnson was here when this was all happening. He didn't support those provisions. So I think not only did he do what was good for his constituents, what was good for the. For the conference, I think he also did what he believed was best for the country. And. And for that, I applaud him. I think he deserves a lot more credit than a lot of the mainstream media give him.

[B]

Absolutely. It's been amazing to see Texas Congresswoman, I'm hearing from your people that you got to go because you got to go vote.

[C]

So we're about to vote.

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Welcome back everybody to just the news. No noise. That obviously is the house floor. If I had better vision and I could see my preview screen I would tell you exactly what's happening, but I can't see it that closely. I don't know if the vote is actually underway, but we are obviously going to keep an eye on that and keep you posted. As many of you know, we've about talked about, this is the longest government shutdown in American history, and it may finally come to an end. Tonight, a deal is on the table. The House is voting on that funding package that could reopen the government and head straight to President Trump's desk for his signature. So joining us now to talk about this is acting director of the Thomas A Row Institute for Economic Policy Studies over at the Heritage Foundation, Richard Stern. Richard, thanks so much for being here.

[D]

It was a pleasure. Thank you.

[B]

All right. You know, on one hand, I know that there are a lot of people out there watching the show who say, I didn't feel anything. I didn't even notice the government was shut down. But there are Americans who were furloughed, who were working without pay, and it definitely affected them. What's the damage to our country going to be, and what's the damage for Republicans and Democrats?

[D]

Yeah, that's a great point. There's also one other burden that it created, which is that there are all of these laws and regulations on the books and that our employers, our businesses have to follow because of overregulation. But if there aren't federal bureaucrats, if the offices aren't open, then businesses have to navigate this as best as they can while taking risks and not being able to get the services they need that comply with the government's own regulations on them. Let alone, of course, that air traffic control had to slow down the volume of airplanes going. The list goes on and on. It's going to total tens of billions of dollars, all because elected Democrats wanted one and a half trillion more of your dollars for welfare, mostly for illegal aliens. It's a shame.

[B]

What are you hearing was in that deal? Because we all heard this kind of like mysterious conversation and deal making was taking place a few nights ago. But, I mean, Democrats were very recalcitrant when it came to that $1.5 trillion regarding ACA. And Republicans were just as blizzard on the other side saying, no way, Jose, what changed?

[D]

Well, I think what changes, honestly, Democrats got the electoral victories they wanted on Tuesday, and they know that the shutdown was starting to go south on them. We were starting to have real critical functions be collapsed and curtailed. And so I think Democrats looked at this and thought they got the political wins they wanted, but they were going to risk too much if they kept going. And of course, it allowed people like Schumer, who looks incompetent now, but it allowed him to try to look like he was of the base of his own party. His incompetence of politics and policy is a different matter entirely. But look, we don't really know what deal was cut. And you have to keep in mind the funding in this bill will last for less than three months. And so this is just the beginning of all kinds of negotiations between both sides. And we could be back here again in January.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Please, Please, no. Please, no. I want to ask you if what Chuck Schumer did work because we aired some footage at the top of this show of aoc, and it kind of seems like she's already running her mouth like Chuck Schumer betrayed his party.

[D]

Yeah, absolutely. Look, I think what he tried to do on the beginning of this is he wanted to have his moderates bail on him, vote to reopen the government, and do it in a way where they could go out and say, look, we're reasonable moderates in states that require that. And then for him and a lot of the other old guard to say, no, no, no, we're not establishment. We're part of the hip part of the party. We're progressives, we're cool. But the truth is, no one thinks that the Chuck Schumer and he, in my mind, failed at some of the minutiae of how to deal these negotiations, how to address what was going on. So, look, I think that was his play to begin with. I think he was incredibly bad at doing it. And now he's left himself in a position where it looks like he's betrayed all of the sides of his party. And I think he's weakened his own position. So that's, I think, what he tried to do and the reality of how it went down.

[B]

If there is any universe out there that deems Chuck Schumer as hip, that is a universe in hell. As far as I'm concerned, he's anything but hip. And he's also anything but dialed in with the youngest faction of his party because they're all. They're all the AOC types. And now the Zo Run momdani. I want to get into the economics of Zo Run Mamdani because I've seen a lot of these man on the street style videos, and most of the people who. Who say they support Zo Runani, I don't think that they really grasp what his policies would actually do to that city. But I want to hone in on one of them, the government run grocery stores, because a lot of people have said it never works. It never works. You Know, bread lines, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Why doesn't it work?

[D]

So everything about business is incredibly complicated. And I think a lot of people like to pretend that business owners sit back, they enjoy their profits. But, you know, if you ever walk into a grocery store, there are a million things on the store shelves. They're all pretty affordable if you really think about it. And at the end of the day, it is incredibly complicated to make that work. Look, the government can't even figure out how to fill potholes or get your driver's license to you in a quick amount of time. Sending a dmv. Do you really think the government and government bureaucrats can figure out the supply chains to get hundreds of thousands of items on store shelves across a region? Absolutely not. Grocery stores already operate at a profit margin of 1 to 3%. And it's a miracle. In fact, when Boris Yeltsin came to visit America when the Soviet Union was collapsing, what made him break down in tears was seeing a functional grocery store because they could not make that work in the Soviet Union. So that's why it always fails and why, frankly, this is doomed to fail again in New York.

[B]

Richard, how quickly can these socialist initiatives that Zo Run Mamdani wants to employ, how quickly can they happen? Because I talked about this last night on the show, I think a lot of people think that the worst case scenario is that Zo Run Mamdani can do everything that he has said he wants to do. Now, the reality of it is that as a city mayor, as big as the city is, I personally don't think that he has the power to do everything that he wants to do. Now, my concern is not that he can do it all, it's that he can't or that it happens a lot slower than he thinks it will. And then you've got this whole generation of Americans who watched young New Yorkers put Zo Run Mamdani in power, and they watch the rest of the world, who has half a brain that functions in economy, say it's going to destroy New York City. And those young people are going to say, see, you told us that this was going to happen, that it was going to destroy the city, and it didn't. And then we're going to be in a scenario where they use that as a campaign point. When you push people with a socialist agenda into offices that have even more power and can actually do these things quickly.

[D]

Amen. I think you hit the nail right on the head there. So two things in particular. Both the tax increases he wants to do, which if he could do, would be crushing for New York businesses. And then the debt levels he wants to incur to fund all these programs, both of those are capped by the state government. And so he would need the state government, the governor, the legislature, to sign off on these plans before he could do them. So it's not to say he won't do them, but that's a much harder hurdle to get through. The state government probably won't let him do in full what he's talking about. And you're right, this is gonna be a rallying cry, a political campaign strategy, but he'll fail to meet all of his promises. And I'll use his charm and false words to pretend as if he got these things done. But make no mistake, the things he will do will be disasters. They'll raise prices, destroy businesses, decline job opportunities. And you're right, the idea disease of socialism spreading, that's the real threat here.

[B]

Yeah. And it's spreading among the youngest generation. And I think because there is an. I don't know if it's an ideas vacuum. I don't necessarily think it's an ideas vacuum, but there is a vacuum of some sort where young Americans feel like they cannot get ahead. They cannot get a leg up when it comes to their profession, when it comes to paying off their student debt, when it comes to buying a home, when it comes to owning a car. They feel like the older generations utterly screwed them for lack of more appropriate terms. So President Trump floats this idea of a 50 year mortgage, and I'm seeing a few different reactions. The dichotomy between those who are saying, well, this is basically just a 50 year rental agreement. You're just, you don't necessarily own it, but you're locked in for 50 years to pay off something that you're not actually sitting on as an owner. And then I hear a lot of people who say, well, yeah, but you've got such a demoralized younger generation. And by the way, it's not just Gen Alpha or Zoomers, it's millennials too. So you've got these three youngest generations who feel like they cannot participate in the housing economy. And so maybe this is a way to kind of dip their toes in the water a little so that someday they can achieve homeownership. But maybe there is a maybe between these two is the truth. But does it destroy our economy?

[D]

So here's the crux of this, which is that what we have is a supply problem, which is that we have an economy that's overtaxed, over regulated. And so the reason why houses, cars, all these other things are expensive is because there's very few of them, because we have made it physically so hard to build more of them. But you know, a lot of people, especially younger people, are looking for frankly, false promises. They want to do something. And so when a politician says, look, I'm going to do something that papers over the problem, that makes it look as if there's more stuff when there really isn't. They're increasingly going for it because it feels right. Look, there are a few regulatory things that we could change that we should change that make it easier for banks to offer 50 year mortgages. But to be fair, the proposal on the table right now would be for the government to subsidize them in a way that probably would raise house prices more than whatever the value would be of getting the interest rates down and getting the term length longer. Keep in mind the difference between a 30 year and a 50 year mortgage is only about a 10 or so percent cut in monthly expenditures. And yes, having no equity in the house itself, it's mostly a false promise, artificially inflating prices.

[B]

What could possibly go wrong? When have we ever seen that crash and burn a lot? Thank you so much for being here, Richard. This has been such a great conversation. You have such a great outlook on all this. Very, very pragmatic. Thanks so much for being here.

[D]

It was a pleasure. Thank you.

[B]

Likewise. All right everybody, coming up, we are going to discuss the rapid development of generative AI technology and how some companies are asking for government cooperation. More on that after a quick.

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Welcome back everybody to just the news. No noise. The topic of artificial intelligence has been a huge policy point for the Trump administration as the United States looks to win the AI war against China. But how much should the government be involved? For example, Sam Altman, OpenAI's CEO, suggested guaranteed government loans for chip plants. Now, is that a good idea to make some of these AI companies too big to fail? Joining us now to discuss that and more is senior research associate for the center for Technology and the Human Person at the Heritage Foundation, Daniel Cochran. Daniel, thanks so much for being here.

[F]

Great to be here. Thanks for having me.

[B]

Absolutely. All right. I want to start with some of the flashier headlines regarding AI because I saw that Ipsos ran a poll. So first of all, for our audience, there is a country song that is at the top of the country charts that sounds there is practically no distinction for me between AI and a human voice. And then Ipsos did this poll where 97% could not distinguish between music entirely generated by AI and human created music. And then on top of that, we've got the news today that Michael Caine and Matthew McConaughey, two very iconic voices in Hollywood, they are working with an AI company to duplicate their voice. There is so much happening. Look, that's all in the entertainment space. And I know that that seems frivolous, but to me it augurs the takeover of a lot of different industries. Your take?

[F]

Well, I think it's really critical to note that we've crossed a threshold. While AI is able to create and produce videos, music, even the likeness of various actors that are indistinguishable from real life, it creates a lot of opportunities, but a lot of challenges. One of those challenges is what does this mean for elections? We often talk about in a day when elections are decided, usually by slim margins sometimes. Here in Virginia, for example, the last gubernatorial race was largely influenced by offhand remarks by the then Democratic candidate for governor who was essentially bemoaning the fact that parents wanted so much say in their kids education and that really boosted his opponent and current governor Glenn Youngkin. You imagine a situation where an AI essentially is used to create false statements and people really don't know what's true and what's false. So I think we're entering a stage of an unprecedented set of challenges where we're going to have to create new systems and institutions to reckon with what might be called a post truth world created by this generative artificial intelligence. It's really a pressing moment that we faced.

[B]

Yeah, well and there's the governance and the regulation side of it that I want to get in a little bit deeper with you in a moment. But there's also an infrastructure that I mean, Sam Altman, I was just talking about this at the top. Sam Altman suggesting that there should be guaranteed loans for these companies. And then Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida responded to a New York Times headline that was referencing this, praising it as too big to fail. And Ron DeSantis brought up the point that this is not a profit positive company. So why on earth would we, would we make them too big to fail and offer so much assistance from the government? Because as far as I'm concerned, there are plenty of companies here on US soil who do the same thing. Right?

[F]

Well look, this is, make no mistake, this is about monopolizing the market and having the US Federal government pay for it. We've seen this before in other industries like banking. We had the too big to fail banks and we saw how that ended up. You had banks that took frivolous, made frivolous investments and ended up taking the economy and costing the taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars. And here you have Sam Altman who spent tens of billions of dollars on AI infrastructure and essentially wants the government to back him. And I think this is an attempt of regulatory capture by these large AI companies. They want to get in bed with the federal government. There's all this rhetoric about the big AI companies. They don't want regulation. In fact with the big companies want is regulation to lock in their advantages and ensure that they can continue to raise capital without and, and I think you're right to mention without showing that they can make a profit. All of these AI companies, including OpenAI, they operate at multibillion dollar losses. And now their investors are coming, are coming to call and they're saying look, we want our money back. And the AI industries like they're, they're their response that is, well, let's get the government involved, let's get the government to guarantee loans to keep the capital flowing. But that's not how competitive markets work. And that's certainly not what's going to fuel the next stage of American innovation. We need more competition, we need more choice. We need To I think, really chip away at these AI monopolies before they're able to do what the last generation of social media companies have, which is really control a huge part of our information ecosystem. We saw how damaging that's been to conservatives and all kinds of, you know, values, especially kids safety, with just a handful of big companies controlling our information space. And we're on the verge of seeing that again in AI. So I think that's something that policy makers need to really focus in on and we can't allow a repeat of what happened with social media here.

[B]

Yeah. What is the ideal scenario when it comes to actions that policymakers can take? I mean, I would profit the notion that anytime government gets gets involved, it's, it's, I would say 99.9% of the time it's not a good thing. But when it comes to regulation of this, when it comes to governance within the AI space, and look, I know this is a very, very large conversation and it's also very nuanced, but how much government involvement should there be?

[F]

Well, look, I think part of it is government shouldn't be getting in bed with the biggest AI companies. And I think that David Sachs, that the President's Aizar was right to rebuff Sam Altman and OpenAI for their over of trying to get the federal government to back them. I think that's, that's a good step in the right direction. But ultimately Congress needs to act. Look, we've been talking about rules of the road for AI. You talked earlier about how AI is creating videos and images that are indistinguishable from real life events. And we need legislation, we need rules to kind of distinguish like providence of where images and data is coming from. We need rules of the road to ensure that AI systems are aligned with the values of users. And we also need to address the most acute harms. You know, OpenAI has been hit with several lawsuits in the, in the, in the past couple of days from adults that are suffering from psychosis. Because these AI models are designed to be sycophantic. They're designed to feed them essentially digital fentanyl to keep them engaged, to keep them, you know, like in, you know, going down these rabbit holes and these very strange conversations and all kinds of like spiritual, sexual topics and, and people are suing these companies saying, look, these are destroying our lives and the companies need to be held accountable. Think, can, think. Also that Sam Altman, he said, look, in the new year he wants OpenAI's chat GPT to be able to engage in erotic conversations. So they're, they're really not pursuing the kinds of earth breaking advances that they're promising the American public. They're, they're pursuing digital fentanyl that makes them a quick profit, but is rending America's social fabric. And again, we're at risk of seeing a repeat here of what we saw with the social media companies, and we can't allow that to happen.

[B]

Yeah. Daniel, I want to ask you about AI's implications on elections. The 2022 election, I think it was, the midterm elections. I had a sense that that was basically the last pure election. And by that I mean we didn't have a lot of videos out there floating around. Dubious, maybe, but, but videos nonetheless of certain politicians saying things or not saying things or whatever. My concern is that we are now in an era where if a damaging video comes out about a candidate, they can just say it's AI, it's not real, or if something good comes out, then the, the opponent can say, that's AI, that's not real. Have we experienced our last clean election? And is this just, is this just how it's going to be going forward?

[F]

I think it's hard to tell. And this is why, I mean, this is an unprecedented challenge because never before have you had the ability to create lifelike videos and images that are indistinguishable from real life people and events. And now, as you cited at the top of the hour, how people can't distinguish between AI generated music and human created music. We're going to have to create systems and institutions that allow us to verify the authenticity of content. And I think that's going to take place hopefully in a decentralized manner. What we want to avoid are proposals around a digital ID system, around centralizing control of AI even further in the hands of the government, want to avoid that. But at some level we're going to have to make sure that our information can be trusted and that we know if AI had a hand in generating it. And that's going to require a multiplicity, I think, of different approaches, but ultimately what we're going to have to do is decentralize our information ecosystem. The problem is that AI is being deployed in an information environment that is highly centralized. It's controlled by just seven companies. Again, this is Social Media 2.0. And when you have these, these, these centralized ecosystems, these centralized information ecosystems, all the harms can spread very quickly. We see that with how, how social media is harming kids the most Toxic content spreading everywhere once online. That's the same with AI. If you have one place of gathering your information, it's very easy to flood that space with fake videos as an example. And so we're going to ultimately have to decentralize and get away from this top down approach to information and really I think look to more local sources and trusted communities. I think that's the ultimate answer to this. But it's going to take some time to get there.

[B]

Yeah, before I let you go, and forgive the reductive nature of my analogy, but I was a singing server for 13 years. So I think back on my time there and there were many times when I had a $50 bill or $100 bill that we had to slide under that light. We had a little marker that we could write on it to see if it was counterfeit money. Is there ever going to be any type of technology out there that is consumer friendly, not just on a commercial level, but for your everyday consumer? Some type of software uploaded onto phones or laptops or tablets or whatever that can immediately identify something that's AI?

[F]

Well, I think there's going to be a multiplicity of tools like that. The question is how reliable they'll be. And that remains to be seen. Look, in the past we developed hash databases, right, to deal with as an example terrorist content on social media platforms like YouTube and I imagine similar solutions in the future for detecting fake AI content. But again that's going to, it's going to require an all of the above approach. There's not going to be one solution. And ultimately it's a very hard problem when this technology is being democratized in the hands of so many people and pushed by companies that have an incentive candidly to keep people engaged in these fake virtual realities. I think that's the sad truth of where AI is today.

[B]

Yeah, quite literally a vested interest. Senior research associate for the center for Technology and the Human Person at the Heritage Foundation, Daniel Cochran Center. Thanks for being with us tonight.

[F]

Thank you.

[B]

Absolutely. All right everybody, after the break, the media has finally come around to blaming Democrats just a little bit for the shutdown. So what on earth took them so long? We're going to break all of that down after this.

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By Granger for the ones who get it done. Well, this should surprise absolutely no one. A new NewsBusters study finds that the mainstream media once again covered for Democrats during the government shutdown. Major TV network barely mentioned that it was Democrats who caused the crisis, and when they finally did, it was only after a deal was already in sight, of course. So joining me now is MRC senior Research analyst Bill d'. Agostino. Bill, thanks so much for being here. Great to have you.

[G]

Yeah, great to be on. Good to see you.

[B]

Listen, I've seen this limited hangout situation with the media and they finally, it seems like with practically any story, if it's damaging for Democrats, they don't cover it until the very end. And then they just barely kind of dip their toes in just so they can say, well, it wasn't zero coverage.

[G]

Right, Right. So this shutdown has been very peculiar from like a broadcast network standpoint. For the last three broadcasts or, sorry, the last three government shutdowns that happened in recent memory that we looked at, they've they basically completely unanimously blamed Republicans or there were there were scattered moments where they would blame both parties, but quite literally never blamed Democrats. This time it was a little different, I think, because there was simply no way for them even twisting their logic into pretzels to really blame Republicans for this or claim that Democrats were innocent. And so instead they basically obfuscated a lot of the detail around the shutdown. Overall, we found 87% of their coverage favored Democrats and only, only 13% favored Republicans. But in that, there was very little mention of, for example, Senate Democrats having voted against a clean continuing resolution. Right. That was practically non existent in all the coverage. It was in less than like 20% of their broadcasts. So if you got all of your news from say, like ABC or CBS or NBC, you probably don't even know how this shutdown really happened. And that's by design.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, a few days ago, the normal security hub where I enter the White House, their, their X ray machine was down. So I had to go around to the other side of the White House and I had to walk through a group of protesters and a lot of them had these signs up, you know, let them eat cake, referring to Republicans not caring about the government shutdown. And I asked one of those protesters, I said, do you know how many times Democrat voted for a CR when Joe Biden was in power? And they said zero. And I said, 13 times. They had no idea. And the thing that's so concerning about this bill is these are the people who are politically active. So poor, poor generic Democrat Joe Schmo out there doesn't have a prayer if this person who lives in Washington and is getting up and going to protest doesn't know.

[G]

Right. And so this is, this kind of creates this weird phenomenon because you're absolutely right. These are, these are the people that are politically engaged on the left.

[F]

Left.

[G]

Right. But they, I mean, a lot of these people probably learned the term continuing resolution during this shutdown. Right. During this news cycle, because they don't really pay attention to a lot of the particulars. It's basically all tribal. It's a team sport for them. And that's, that's, that's it. Right. So basically whenever there is a story that has the Democrats, either it portrays them unfavorably or there's some kind of Democrat malfeasance or they're clearly guilty of something. It basically leads to a less informed populace overall because the result is that the news media obfuscate, they muddy the waters around the story, and by the end, nobody really knows what's going on unless they're already familiar with the topic to begin with. Right. Unless you're like a political junkie. And so it's kind of strange, but an outgrowth is basically every time Democrats misstep or do something wrong, the populace gets a little bit less informed.

[B]

Yeah. So what are they saying now that, I mean, momentarily they're going to be voting on the House? I'm hearing that it's coming imminently. So, so what's their what if they're blaming the shutdown on Republicans, then when the shutdown ends, do they praise Republicans?

[G]

Yeah. No. If only. If only they are. They're unfortunately incredibly good at compartmentalizing all of their beliefs. So if you are a liberal newscaster, you are very capable and in fact probably obligated to believe both that the shutdown is Republicans fault and also that the Democrat senators who are actually voting for the continuing resolution are letting down their voters by opening the government.

[C]

Right.

[G]

And of course those two things are in conflict. But that doesn't really matter as long as you keep those thoughts separate and just never let them interact, which is how a lot of the media seem to behave. We're actually working on a compilation right now of people from cable outlets blaming Republicans. And then it's gonna be all of those same people yelling at Democrats for ending the shutdown. And of course that begs the question of, okay, well how did Democrats end the shutdown if Republicans caused it to begin with?

[B]

Listen, mainstream media, I mean logic is not even a speed bump on their road to stupidity. So it doesn't surprise me that they would find a way to do mental gymnastics. Yeah, absolutely. All right, MRC Senior Research Analyst Bill d', Agostino, thanks so much for being here tonight. Loved breaking it down with you.

[G]

Absolutely. Thanks as always.

[B]

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Saving Biomedical Research My constituent Angela Holmes is unable to walk without debilitating pain. She's worried that without tax credits she won't be able to afford health insurance to complete the multiple back surgeries she needs. For many Georgians, health care is a matter of life and death. Our Republican colleagues could have corrected this in the Rules Committee, but they rejected an amendment last night that would have lowered health premium costs. To me, that's unconscionable. So are the administration's actions during the shutdown. As a Christian, I'm outraged that USDA used the shutdown to illegally withhold snap from 42 million Americans. USDA had the chance to do the right thing and use designated contingency funds, but rejected it. And when ordered to do so by the courts, they fought all the way to the Supreme Court to keep hungry families from receiving food. America produces the highest quality, safest, most abundable, most affordable and abundant food, fiber and medicine anywhere in the world. To that end, this bill provides many welcome investments. It fully funds SNAP and wic, replenishes the SNAP and WIC contingency funds, and fully funds cash value vouchers for fruits and vegetables for women and children. It also helps rural America by providing a billion dollars in single family direct home loans, 120 million over the house level, and funding water and wastewater programs, programs at 446 million, both issues that Democrats tried to address in full committee. The bill provides 1.8 billion for the Agricultural Research Service, 1.6 billion for NIFA protecting farmers, small businesses and families against President Trump's budget request to eliminate land grant, university research and extension activities across the country. I'm pleased to see that the bill language requires USDA to notify Congress before canceling grants over a million dollars. The agricultural portion of this bill does make positive steps in the right direction. The bill discards many of the harmful policy riders which in the House bill. Yet it does not go far enough to negate House language falsely questioning the safety of Mifer, Piston and Encouraging FDA to explore liability protections for certain infant formula manufacturers over which the F agency has absolutely no jurisdiction. And while the overall funding package may reopen the government for a month or two, this bill does not address the breach of trust this administration has demonstrated since January. They failed to follow the law and we cannot trust that they will even execute this bill if we vote on it today.

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The gentleman is recognized for an additional 15 seconds.

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They fail to follow the law and we can't trust that they'll execute the law. They cut snap by 20% in the big ugly bill this summer. Dismountingly funded federal programs, fired federal workers and illegally ignored court orders. This bill fails to address the health care crisis and bipartisan outrage has erupted over language in the bill to pay millions of dollars of children taxpayer handful of senators whose function phone records were subject January 6th investigation. It's a bad bill.

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The gentleman's time has expired. The gentleman yields back. Does the gentlelady from Connecticut reserve? The gentle lady reserves.

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Thank you Mr. Speaker. And I want to thank my longtime friend, colleague and the chairman of the Appropriations Committee Mr. Cole for yielding me the time. I rise in support of HR5371 and look forward to to reopening the government. The shutdown has gone on long enough and it's time to end it. Yesterday was Veterans Day and it's a timely reminder of the commitment our Armed Forces personnel have made and the responsibility that we have to take care of those who serve our nation. Military construction and veteran affairs component of the legislation meets that goal. The legislation includes 133.3 billion for the Department of Veterans affairs including 113 billion.8 for discretionary funding for the VA medical care. It includes critical funding for Medicare medical health services, telehealth services, veterans homelessness programs, medical research programs and rural health initiatives. It invests in information technology, including robust investments in VA electronic health health record modernization.

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So just to give you an idea of the timeline, about 32 minutes ago the House passed that key procedural vote 213 to 209. Of course 213 Republicans they have an hour to debate. So that means that about 28 minutes from now that debate will end and then they will finally vote and hopefully this shutdown will be behind us. So we're going to talk more about what happens in the next few minutes on tomorrow night's show. In the meantime, time. Have a great night, Grant. Central is going to take you to the next hour. See you tomorrow.

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