Just the News No Noise with John Solomon and Amanda Head, October 31st, 2025

Summary

Real America’s Voice: Just the News No Noise with John Solomon and Amanda Head (October 31, 2025)

Episode Theme:
A special report examining the fourth week of the U.S. government shutdown—its origins, fiscal consequences, and the prospects for major reform—through discussions with lawmakers, economists, and policy leaders.

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Main Episode Purpose

The episode centers on the ongoing “Schumer Shutdown,” how it’s exposing government waste and driving a debate on necessary fiscal reforms. John Solomon, with co-host Rebecca Weber (AMAC CEO), steers conversations with House Budget Committee members and expert economists, prioritizing how Republicans could leverage the shutdown to cut spending, reform entitlement programs like SNAP and Obamacare, and realign government with conservative American values.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Setting the Scene: Why This Shutdown Matters

• Host John Solomon frames the crisis (00:56): The government shutdown is revealing what parts of government are “nonessential,” while critical services like SNAP are paused and Americans face broader impacts from partisan stalemates.
• Rebecca Weber (AMAC): Expresses AMAC members’ alarm over the $37 trillion national debt, defining the moment as a fight against unsustainable spending (02:29).

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Segment 1: Congressman Marlin Stutzman (Indiana, House Budget Committee)

[03:58–11:28]

Shutdown’s Real-World Effects & Fiscal Opportunity

• Stutzman reports many constituents are barely affected—harvest continues; the GDP and stock market have risen.
• However, he points out “things are falling through the cracks”—like SBA loans and FDA approvals stalling.

Memorable Quote:

“As I talk to constituents around Northeast Indiana, there’s a lot of folks that, you know, are saying, I didn’t realize that the government was shut down.” (04:23)

SNAP & Social Programs Debate

• Considers temporary measures for SNAP, but underscores the program should be “a hand up, not a handout,” and criticizes Democrats for risking cuts as leverage.

Reforming Subsidies & Spending

• Cites over-subsidization in agriculture and misaligned energy policies.
• Criticizes health insurance subsidies as prolonging, not fixing, a broken system.
• Warns: “$37 trillion of debt…will cause our economy problems much faster than if government doesn’t spend money.” (08:18)

Messaging and Political Optics

• Suggests public is seeing through Democratic tactics; predicts Senate staffers missing pay will pressure negotiations.
• Compares the political situation to a sports timeout: “It reminds me of a basketball game…” (09:45)

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Segment 2: Congressman Glenn Grothman (Wisconsin, House Budget Committee)

[15:01–23:49]

Leadership Accountability

• Grothman suspended his own salary during the shutdown, aligning with unpaid federal workers.

Quote:

“People are very happy back home to hear I am also pushing off my paycheck till after the shutdown is over.” (15:27)

Constituent Reactions

• His Wisconsin district is largely unaffected, seeing the shutdown as evidence of excess government bureaucracy.
• Expresses concern that when SNAP and Obamacare subsidies pause, real pressure on Democrats will mount.

Obamacare Subsidies & Budget Realities

• Calls extensions for pandemic-era Obamacare subsidies “a problem,” given the $34B/yr cost while the government borrows “26% of our budget.” (17:33)
• Advocates for balancing any new Obamacare spending with cuts elsewhere.

Reforming America’s Health System

• Critiques Obamacare for providing subsidies to upper-income earners and inflating healthcare costs.
• Suggests inclusive reform—preferred providers, expanded HSAs, reducing unnecessary specialist referrals.
• “Every time you make health insurance cover one more thing… the cost… just gets passed right on to the consumer.” (33:26, later in the show via E.J. Antoni)

On Senate Inaction

• Attributes Democratic unwillingness to negotiate to electoral cycles and political risk aversion.

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Segment 3: E.J. Antoni (Chief Economist, Heritage Foundation)

[25:49–36:17]

Shutdown’s Economic Consequences & Structural Opportunity

• Points out: The longer the shutdown, the greater the chance for downsizing bureaucracy and permanent reform—“the bloat and bureaucracy… does not need to come back.” (26:39)
• Short-term disruptions exist, but the long-term impact is minimal unless it opens new pathways for reform.

Economic Outlook & Optimism

• Anticipates stronger growth in 2026 due to easing inflation, regulatory and tax reforms, and renewed business optimism (29:29).
• Warns that failure to enact major debt reforms could lead to “higher interest rates, inflation, credit downgrades” (31:00).

Quote:

“The best way to prepare is … to try to prevent. … We should be exerting as much political pressure as possible on our elected representatives to get them to cut spending.” (31:05)

Obamacare as a Teachable Moment

• Cites Jonathan Gruber and Nancy Pelosi’s comments: “They relied on the ignorance of the American people to get the law passed.” (33:26)
• Urges return to catastrophic coverage and removal of regulatory bloat.
• Favors full ACA repeal: “Obamacare made a lot of those healthcare plans illegal.” (34:46)

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Segment 4: Tim Dosher (Executive Director, Unleash Prosperity)

[39:20–47:04]

Analyzing the Shutdown’s Political Dynamics

• Characterizes the standoff as a “bunch of losers trying to get some ground to stand on” (40:13). Claims Democrats are “holding us hostage” to force spending increases.

Opportunity for Conservative Reform

• Sees the shutdown as unifying the right, allowing Republicans to hold moral high ground and avoid being “held hostage” by left-wing demands.
• Predicts after the election, Republicans will have a mandate to surgically remove government waste.

Roadmap for Real Reform

• Criticizes outdated budget scoring rules (CBO and JTC) that underplay economic growth from tax cuts.
• Advocates dynamic scoring so the real effects of tax reform can be accurately measured, paving the way for deeper cuts (43:21).

Quote:

“Never let a crisis go to waste is what Rahm Emanuel said in Barack Obama’s administration. And they’ve been operating like that ever since.” (45:33)

Obamacare Subsidy Warning

• Warns that making pandemic-era subsidies permanent will incentivize further expansions in future crises and primarily benefit insurance companies, not consumers.

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Final Thoughts: John Solomon & Rebecca Weber

[48:42–53:40]

• Both see momentum for major reform to Obamacare post-shutdown, echoing leadership statements that “history is right around the corner” (49:18).
• Weber: AMAC members want a full repeal, seeing Obamacare as a failed experiment enriching insurers, not patients.

Rebecca Weber:

“AMAC members are pushing for a full repeal. Get rid of it, toss it out. It doesn’t work.” (49:18)

• Solomon highlights that for many Americans, the shutdown is a “political version” of unsubscribing from unused services—proving government’s redundancy (50:52).
• Both stress AMAC’s focus on education, advocacy, and shrinking government.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with timestamps)

• Marlin Stutzman: “I didn’t realize that the government was shut down. … GDP is up. The stock market is up 1,000 points since the government shut down.” (04:23)
• Glenn Grothman: “I am also pushing off my paycheck till after the shutdown is over.” (15:27)
• E.J. Antoni: “We are borrowing 26% of our budget already. 14% of our budget is interest expense.” (21:34)
• Tim Dosher: “Never let a crisis go to waste is what Rahm Emanuel said in Barack Obama’s administration. And they’ve been operating like that ever since.” (45:33)
• Rebecca Weber: “AMAC members are pushing for a full repeal. Get rid of it, toss it out. It doesn’t work.” (49:18)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Topic | Start | Speaker(s) | |---------------------------------------------------|------------|---------------------------------| | Opening & setting the scene | 00:56 | John Solomon, Rebecca Weber | | Rep. Marlin Stutzman interview | 03:58 | Marlin Stutzman | | Rep. Glenn Grothman interview | 15:01 | Glenn Grothman | | E.J. Antoni (Heritage Foundation) | 25:49 | E.J. Antoni | | Tim Dosher (Unleash Prosperity) | 39:20 | Tim Dosher | | Final thoughts & wrap-up | 48:42 | John Solomon, Rebecca Weber |

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Episode Tone & Style

The discussion is direct, passionate, and consistently skeptical of big government and Democratic tactics. Guests and hosts share a populist, conservative view, featuring personal anecdotes, grassroots sentiment, and a strong focus on practical policy changes "after the shutdown."

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Conclusion

The episode frames the government shutdown not as a crisis but as a rare opportunity to educate Americans, cut waste, and push for overdue fiscal reforms—especially to social programs like SNAP and Obamacare. Core messages encourage conservative activism, fiscal discipline, and skepticism of quick-fix subsidy extensions, with repeated calls for listeners to join AMAC and help drive reform from the grassroots.

Transcript

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Good evening, America. Happy Friday and welcome to this just the news real America's Voice special report. Reshaping government after the shutdown. I want to thank our partners tonight at the abac, the association of Mature American Citizens, for joining us in making this critical conversation possible. All throughout tonight's show, we'll be taking a deep dive into the ongoing government shutdown. Now it's in its fourth week and what will it mean for America's fiscal future? What with federal services curtailed, thousands of workers furloughed, and programs like Snap on the Brink, the situation stems from deep partisan divides over spending priorities. And Democrats have just simply shut the government down. But during that moment, Americans are beginning to be educated. They're getting educated that they've been spending tens of billions of dollars of subsidies to hide the fact that Obamacare is broken. They're learning that Democrats wanted to pay for illegal immigrants that have benefits that we even here in America don't always get. It's created a long overdue recognition point for those of us in the American public. And tonight we're going to explore how Republicans, when this government shutdown ends, could possibly begin fixing things that have long been broken. And in this great conversation, I'm joined by a special co host, my good friend, Rebecca Weber, the CEO of our incredible partner tonight, amac. Rebecca, this is an extraordinary moment. And I've watched AMAC many times dive in when big moments in history come in and get their members to push Congress to get things done. It feels like one of those moments is coming over the horizon.

[Rebecca Weber]

Absolutely. AMAC members have been talking for years. They've been sounding the Alarm. We're in $37 trillion of debt. That's unsustainable. They're worried about not just their own future, but the future of their children and their grandchildren. Now, we know that there are some critical services that are on hold, and that's why I'm very excited to speak with our guest. But what we're seeing is a lot of pointing fingers. Many people are saying this is a Schumer shutdown. He is refusing to Negotiate, and he is prolonging the crisis. And of course, the Democrats are blaming conservatives, so it'll be interesting to see how this thing turns out. But, John, what's interesting is I'm hearing from people, ordinary Americans, and they're saying this is a fight that we've got to win. We've got to come out on top. We can't cave. We've got to rein in government spending. And that is really what is most important to the people. I hear from each and every day.

[John]

I have a funny feeling the incredible grassroots army of AMAC is going to be a major solution and a major force in the solution of what comes out of the shutdown. I can't wait to watch that emerge. Rebecca, we got some incredible guests. Two members of Congress, both on the House Budget Committee, two great economists. We're going to make sense of it over the next hour. And I want to get right away to our first guest. All right, folks, time now to get to our first guest of the evening. We've got a good one. Joining us now from the great state of Indiana, Congressman Marlin Stutzman, a member of the House Budget Committee. Congressman, great to have you on the show. Thank you, John.

[Congressman Marlin Stutzman]

Great to see you, Rebecca, appreciate you having me on.

[John]

Yeah. Fun conversation ahead. All right. You have been a champion of fiscal restraint long before this shutdown. It seems for the first time that Americans are starting to get a sense that, hey, there's a lot in government we don't miss. Even though it's been shut down for four weeks. Does this give your colleagues on the Budget Committee the license to go and do the sort of cuts that you've always dreamed of?

[Congressman Marlin Stutzman]

Yeah, absolutely. You know, John, it's. It's incredible, really. As I talk to constituents around Northeast Indiana, there's a lot of folks that, you know, are saying, I didn't realize that the government was shut down. I mean, I didn't. It's not affecting me. You know, we're in the middle of harvest right now, and harvest is going well. Of course, manufacturing, retail is, is busy. GDP is, is up. The stock market is up 1,000 points since the government shut down. You know, it's not that there aren't things that are falling through the cracks. Of course, you know, SBA loans are sitting on a desk in Washington. Five 10Ks for new orthopedic medical device products are sitting on a desk in Washington. So those are definitely needed. But, you know, we're really two days away now from going from the Schumer shutdown to Schumer starvation, apparently, because they're not willing to come to the table and they're going to cut food stamps. And I think that, you know, the calculation that they're making here, this is going to affect their districts more than any others. And I mean, the big cities are going to be affected. But, but they've been willing to say it out loud is that, you know, people are going to have to suffer. So that that way Democrats have leverage in Washington. It's just crazy.

[John]

Yeah, crazy.

[Rebecca Weber]

That's absolutely right. Would you support any sort of short term measure to perhaps protect SNAP recipients, even if just temporarily? Do you think that's necessary?

[Congressman Marlin Stutzman]

Well, you know, that's a great question because in Indiana we have about 600,000 people on food stamp program. On the food stamp program across the country it's being reported 40 million. I mean, those are high numbers. And we also know that states like California, Illinois, the liberal states, take advantage of these programs. And it's not that we want to see anybody go without food, but this is a program that's supposed to be a hand up and not a handout. And I think that that's what's going to really test this, this program and the circumstances right now that their states are going to make sure that people, you know, have the assistance that they need. I know in northeast Indiana we have a lot of nonprofit organizations that are standing by, ready to help and assist food pantries, food banks. You know, in Indiana, we look out for our neighbors. Do I want to see this stop? No, absolutely not. But you know, the Democrats are doing this all or nothing strategy and Democrats are going to be the ones to take these benefits away from Americans who are going to need these, need the assistance. But, but I do think it also gives all of us as a country the opportunity to look how effective these programs really are. And if there's a, there's cleanup that I think there can be done, now's the time to take a good look at that.

[John]

Sir, I'm sure you've been looking at things. You have a couple favorite programs where you think savings are. I know Lee Zeldin at EPA saved tens of billions of dollars, been cutting the regulations. You got some other places. You think we can make some progress?

[Congressman Marlin Stutzman]

Absolutely. You know, I mean, there's a lot of programs right now in agriculture, which that's the background that I come from. You know, when you start subsidizing certain parts of an industry, you just, it's like you push in on a balloon and it's just going to pop out somewhere else. And right now, you know, there is a shortage of beef in the, in the, in the United States while we keep subsidizing, you know, corn, soybeans, and we're trying to push all of these industries into the energy space when we could really be using our corn and soybeans for animal production. And of course, you know, President Trump is in China and is, you know, helping on the export side, which that's huge for the American farmer. But I think that this is a time for efficiencies. Of course, you know, whether it's the healthcare space, I think that that's what's going to really need a major overhaul because the healthcare providers and the insurance companies, they're the ones that are making money. And so to subsidize the premiums isn't going to fix the problem. It's only going to prolong it. And as we all know, and we need to look at this in the context of $37 trillion of debt. That is what we as Americans need to focus on because that will cause our economy problems much faster than if government doesn't spend money. So I think that's always the context I look at things is $37 trillion of debt. We've got to cut spending. And, and so whether it's usda, whether it's, of course, the programs that come through our Medicaid and other programs, it's the abuse and the fraud that continues to take advantage of these programs that weren't intended for that. As I said earlier, it's a hand up, not a handout.

[Rebecca Weber]

Yes. And I think more and more Americans are vocalizing exactly what you're saying. They see it, they seem to be smarter, it seems, these days. And recognizing that this government shutdown is absolutely essential in order to secure the future for future generations, I want to ask you, who do you think is really winning on the messaging war? I think it's important that we get the truth out and we deliver transparency to the American people. How do you see this really playing out in terms of average daily Americans? Go ahead.

[Congressman Marlin Stutzman]

You know, I mean, I hear from my folks in the district that we need to stand our ground, that we have done what we were responsible for. We passed a clean cr, which is an extension of the current budget numbers to keep the government open. I really believe that people are starting to see through the politics that the Democrats are playing. You know, this next week is going to be a critical week because Senate staffers are going to be the first ones not to get paid And I'll tell you, there's going to be some conversations between senior staff over on the Senate side with their Democrat senators and say, look, I gotta pay rent this week, I gotta pay my mortgage this week. So it's gonna start hitting really close to home on the Hill here soon. And I also think that with the elections in Virginia and New Jersey, that's another mark that the Democrats were looking at because they're just trying to put a stop to President Trump's momentum somehow. It reminds me of a basketball game in Indiana when one team is scoring points, you know, the other team that's losing calls a timeout to try to stop the momentum. And that's what this feels like. And so I think the Democrats are losing because the American people, they're feeling like the economy is picking up. They feel like, you know, gas prices are down, interest rates are coming down. President Trump is creating world peace around the world. And so I think that as that continues to be the message that people really know they're going to blame Democrats on this.

[John]

And also the president giving us trillions of dollars of new foreign investment which is going to come into that treasury at some point. It's going to be another potential economic growth engine. Congressman, as always, it's a great honor to have you on. The people of India are very lucky to have you. Thanks for joining us today.

[Congressman Marlin Stutzman]

Thank you. Great to be with you both.

[John]

Yeah, you as well. What a great conversation. All right, folks, we got another member of Congress coming up. He's also on the Budget Committee, Congressman Glenn Grossman of Wisconsin next after these messages. Rebecca and I'll be right back. Before we do, I want to give you a little homework assignment as this will be a great benefit to you. Join me, become an ABAC member and get all the great benefits. The magazine, the podcast, the incredible discounts when you travel on insurance, and also the company of 2 million incredible patriots who think like you and I. All you have to do to join, go to AMAC US Just News. That's a Mac US Just News. You can join and become a five year member like me for just over a buck a month. That's an incredible deal. One more time, AMAC US Just News. Go there during the break. We'll be right back. Hey, folks, as an investigative journalist, I've spent my career digging into the facts, cutting through noise, asking hard questions and getting to the truth. And when it comes to who I recommend to my audience, I hold everyone to the same standard. That's why I want to tell you I'VE done the homework in amac. The association of Mature American Citizens is the real deal. AMAC is a conservative alternative to aarp. They're focused on faith, family and freedom. And they offer real benefits to their members, myself included, including discounts on travel insurance in prescriptions. So much more exclusive resources and their excellent AMAC magazine. And right now, when you sign up for a five year membership, you'll save up to 33%. That's just over a dollar a month. A smart investment. To stay informed, get real value and support a cause that matters, visit AMAC us justnews. Today I've done the vetting. Now you can take the next step.

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Welcome back everybody to this just the news Real America's Voice special report brought to you by amac. We're talking about all about the government shutdown and the opportunities for fiscal reform that is now unleashed in America. I'm still joined by my AMAC CEO. I'm still joined by AMAC CEO Rebecca Weber, my host for tonight. And our next guest is someone who's been a leading voice on budget oversight. He's been putting good ideas on the table to shrink this government. He represents the great state of Wisconsin. He is Congressman Glenn Grothman, a member of the House Budget Committee. Congressman, great to have you back on the show.

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

Glad to be on the show as always and always great to talk about the budget and of course talk about the shutdown.

[John]

One of the things I like and you and I had this conversation a couple of weeks ago when this shutdown began. You did something symbolic, but I think much more than symbolic. If the soldiers and the FBI agents can't get paid during this shutdown, you didn't think the members of Congress should. So you ask that your pay be without. Tell us how people have reacted to.

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

That positive, you know, because I get calls all the time from people saying, why are you getting paid when the other government employees aren't getting paid? And it makes them very happy back home to hear I am also pushing off my paycheck till after the shutdown is over.

[Rebecca Weber]

Congressman Grothman, the people that I'm hearing from are saying, don't cave to the Democrats. They think that this shutdown is a good thing. Which, you know, the left, they're saying, oh, you're hurting all of these American families and businesses. What are you hearing from your constituents?

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

Overwhelmingly, when I go back home and I'll be flying back to Wisconsin tonight, right now I am in Washington. I hear the shutdown doesn't bother me, quite frankly. You can, you know, keep the government closed for good. Now, of course, my district does not have a huge number of federal employees in it. There are some people I know, some of the farmers, they have their payments due to low, low prices right now, but they have those payments. So overall, in my district, there's not a lot of panic out there. I think the two things that will change that a little bit will happen this weekend. One is people are going to get their premium notices if they're on Obamacare. And secondly, they're going to stop getting their, their food stamps. I think those are two things that will affect people negatively. And that's why a lot of people feel maybe the Democrats will, will finally keep next week because they are going to hear from people on both these topics.

[Rebecca Weber]

Absolutely. And we see the pressure that Congress is under, really, to include these extensions of Obamacare subsidies. That comes with a huge price tag and they're not budging. They're saying they want this rising, this $400 billion cost that's going to be on the back of Americans before the government opens. These subsidies were supposed to expire with the pandemic. Do you believe that extens would be a major fiscal mistake?

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

It's a problem. You know, you've got to remember right now, the federal government is borrowing 26% of our budget. I mean, can you imagine your own life whenever you go to the food store, whatever, borrowing 26% or borrowing 26% of your rent or mortgage payment? I mean, that'd be ridiculous. But that's where we are right now. We do not have the money to throw another $34 billion per year. And that'll be going up over the next 10 years, $34 billion a year propping up the poorly designed Obamacare situation. Okay. And I know that's one of the many things the Democrats want now. The Democrats want to spend a lot more money on other things as well. You know, well over $100 billion total every year. And that's normally what we negotiate over time. But I would hope that our negot, even when this shutdown ramps up, are not going to be spending that huge amount of money or if they want any more money put in Obamacare, they make spending reductions somewhere else.

[John]

Yeah. I want to ask you about Obamacare. Mike Johnson came on the show last week and said, hey, we are going to reform it because it is broken and we just can't keep hiding it from the American people by paying off the insurance companies with tax dollars. Can you tell us some of the ideas that are behind the scene that could revolutionize Obamacare eventually, maybe change the downward trajectory that it's created in the healthcare system?

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

Well, obviously Obamacare is too generous of a giveaway to people and including a giveaway to relatively high income people. Right. There are people benefiting from Obamacare are making $300,000, $400,000 a year right now, which I didn't think is what the program was for. But in any event, we're going to have to look at all health related programs. Right. I don't care that you're Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare. The cost of health care continues to wildly outstrip inflation. I think we have to make better use of preferred providers. A lot of times you look out there and say the cost of a new hip may cost $25,000 from one one provider and $90,000 for another. So we've got to make sure we get everybody in line with best practices. We have to use, make broader use of HSAs. So the consumer themselves is signing off or paying some attention as doctors order more drugs, more tests. I think I myself can tell when I go to the doctor that I think they are doing more than they were doing, say 10 years, 10 years ago. Because the more they do, the more they make. I think a lot of these big conglomerates, they encourage people to go to specialists right away because that's where the money is. We have to have the people you deal with first in a medical situation not be almost incentivized to go to specialists right away. That's another thing that's costing us more money. But it's something that's just gonna, it's eating up small business. You know, you find it's not unusual at all to find businesses that are paying $20,000 per employee for health insurance. That's a disaster for business, for American businesses. But we also have the huge cost of Medicaid and the cost of Obamacare, if that's the insurance company. Utilization varies from state to state, from doctor to doctor. You look at the additional cost of a C section, and the number of C sections ordered varies dramatically from hospital to hospital, from doctor to doctor, which would indicate that perhaps some hospitals are doing more than they should be doing, just because the more you do, the more you make. Those are things that are going to have to be looked at. But you are absolutely right. Obamacare was poorly designed. It comes to a head right now. The Democrats who don't want to do anything to change it, they knew this was a problem because they did not put money in to hold down the premiums past January 1st of this year. But right now, we're late in the game. They're saying, well, let's kick in another $34 billion a year to prop up this bad program, and we just don't have it. I can't emphasize enough. We are borrowing 26% of our budget already. 14% of our budget is interest expense. We go any further in debt, think how bad that's going to be.

[Rebecca Weber]

That's a really important point. Yeah. And so many Republicans have accused Senator Schumer of putting his political career ahead of the American people by refusing to really negotiate in good faith with the government now still shut down. How do you view Schumer's unwillingness to bring forward serious plans to reopen the government? And what message might you send to him on behalf of your constituents?

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

What we have to do is we have to get some of the other Democrat senators to say, look, I don't care if politically you think you're going to lose a Democrat primary if you negotiate with President Trump or you're perceived as helping President Trump. We've got to keep the government open. Part of the problem, I think, in the Senate is they only run for election every six years. I wish I didn't run every six years. But let's face it, some of these Democrats, they just got elected last November. They can be irresponsible as they want because they're not going to be up for election for another five years. Right. And I think that's part of what's going on here as well.

[John]

An awakening moment, I think, for the American people. It's going to be Very interesting to see how the next six weeks play. And I know, sir, you're on the front lines of this on the budget committee. What a great honor to have you on and how busy are. Thanks for joining us today.

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

Sure. Very good.

[John]

Yeah. What a great conversation as always. All right, folks, we got a quick commercial break. When we come back, Heritage Foundation's chief economist, E.J. antonio. He always makes things a lot simpler to understand. He'll break it all down, particularly the economic toll, the shutdown and the path to prosperity through reforms. And while we're in the break, I want to ask you to do me a favor. Go to 8amac us just news and join me. Become a five year member of this incredible organization. You can join for as little as a buck 20amonth. That's a steal. And all you got to do to do that, go to AMAC US News. All the benefits, all the company of great patriots, 2 million strong. Go join me today. AMAC us just news. We'll be right back after these messages.

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[John]

Welcome back everybody, to this just the news Real America's Voice special report brought to you by our good friends at amac. We're exploring the shutdown's impact and possible reform strategies that could flow from it. Now that we've been shut down for so long, people realize there's a lot of unessential government. I want to bring back in my special co host for tonight, AMAC CEO Rebecca Weber, as well as our next guest, E.J. antoni, chief economist at the Heritage Foundation. E.J. great to have you on the show.

[E.J. Antoni]

Great to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

[John]

I think we look at this extraordinary moment, we've been shut down nearly a month now, and people realize there's a lot of things that we were probably paying for in government we don't need. And when it reopens, do you think Republicans, the president, are aligned to do something, maybe really take that bite out of government we've been waiting for?

[E.J. Antoni]

I think so. And part of that now is going to determine, or part of that is determined by, I should say, how long the shutdown lasts. And there are different things. For example, once you get beyond that, that 60 day window, it really opens up a lot of possibilities for the administration to do things like reduce headcount, for example. So depending on how long the shutdown lasts, I think will actually help determine how much progress the administration can make. But whatever the case, and to your point, every day that goes on makes it clearer just how much of this government is non essential, is not actually doing anything to help the average American. In fact, unfortunately, more often than not, it's exactly the opposite. We see the government doing things like regulation that are hurting the average American much more than helping. All that to say again, the longer the shutdown goes on, I think the clearer it becomes, more and more of the government needs to be cut and more importantly, the more political capital is generated to do so. So I think that's definitely all a step in the right direction. Obviously, it's not good from the standpoint of folks like our servicemen and women not getting paid. You know, that's certainly terrible. So by, by all means, we want to see it resolved as quickly as possible and we want to see those kinds of essential services returned. But the bloat and the bureaucracy, that does not need to come back.

[Rebecca Weber]

E.J. from your perspective at the Heritage foundation, does a shutdown like this accelerate the national debt problem or complicate efforts to bring spending under control?

[E.J. Antoni]

It's a good question. In terms of the cost, there definitely seems to be an economic cost. However, again, this is in large part, I think, determined by how long the shutdown goes on for. So if the shutdown goes on long enough that it opens up new avenues, new opportunities for the administration to cut a lot of government jobs and cut through a lot of that red tape, you may end up seeing a lot of cost savings in the long run. But in the short term, all the different disruptions that can happen, and some of which have happened, that certainly does impose a cost on the economy. In the grand scheme of things, though, when we look at something like the national debt, it is so large and what we're talking about right now is so relatively small. I don't think there's really going to be much of an impact, certainly not anything that's significant.

[John]

Let me ask you about this. You've made some projections that 2026 could get us to a 4% growth of the American economy. I was just talking a bunch of small business leaders and small business owners. They are really bullish on next year. What is that optimism flowing from after all the four or five years of inflation that we've been through?

[E.J. Antoni]

Well, a couple of things, one of which is the fact that the inflation that we have today is nowhere near what we went through, what you just said, the last four or five years. So that's very optimistic. It's going to create a lot more stability in markets. It makes it easier for small businesses to plan, for example. It also makes it easier to save and invest because the money that you're saving is not just sitting there losing value, it's retaining more of its value. So that's all tremendously positive. But more recently, we've also seen tax and regulatory work reform, I should say, that is going to be extremely bullish for next year. The return of full expensing is a huge provision. I think we've already seen some of the uptick in investment because of that. You should see even more next year. That's going to add to the growth outlook. And then on the, on the consumer side, the fact that you're getting so much regulatory reform in as well is going to help bring down costs for different consumer items. So again, very, very positive on the regulatory and the tax front.

[Rebecca Weber]

And then as we look ahead, if Congress doesn't adopt major debt reduction reforms in, say, the next one to two years, what scenarios do you think that we could be exposed to? For example, higher interest rates, inflation spillovers, credit downgrades. How can American people, how can the American public really prepare?

[E.J. Antoni]

Oh, goodness. I mean, really, the, the best way to prepare is, is I think, to try to prevent.

[Congressman Glenn Grothman]

Right.

[E.J. Antoni]

You know, the, the old saying, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. We should be exerting as much political pressure as possible on our elected representatives to get them to cut spending. That really is the problem, you know, and it's not that we're, you know, we don't have high enough taxes. Trust me, we have, our taxes are plenty high enough on all income groups. The fact is, though, that despite the fact that tax revenues are at or near a record high, by any measure, you're just spending so Much more money than you're taking in. In other words, spending is growing so much faster than the increase in tax revenue that you're continuing to have this deficit problem. What does that look like? Well, if the government is borrowing a lot of money, then that's money that is not available to lend to the private, private sector. So in addition to the different things that you mentioned, like potential debt downgrades, like higher interest rates, you know, you're also just looking at the fact that you're going to have slower economic growth as you move resources away from the productive private sector and you move them towards the unproductive public sector that creates inefficiencies and that results in slower economic growth, which means that the situation is going to be worse, worse for everybody. Whether you're talking low income individuals, high income individuals. So it looks like less economic growth, it looks like higher interest rates and it looks like higher inflation rates if we don't get spending under control. I mean, really just look back at the last four years under Biden and ask yourself, do you want to go through all of that again? That's what we went through. And you're going to go through exactly the same thing if you don't continue getting spending down.

[John]

When you look at the debate we've had during the shutdown, I think for the first time Americans got a healthy education about what really went on with Obamacare, that it actually brought premiums way up. And the only way we've been hiding it from the American people is to put tens of billions of dollars of subsidies to insurance companies to encourage them to lower the cost to us temporarily. But it never really worked. Mike Johnson came on the show a couple weeks ago, said in December, we're going to revamp Obamacare in a big way. It's going to be a massive change. We're going to fix what's there. Pension benefit manager, or to me, pharmacy benefit managers and others getting fixed. Is this a historic moment for the American people to learn what happened with Obamacare and to fix it for the good?

[E.J. Antoni]

Oh, certainly. And the American people really do need to learn everything that happened. One of the people who was responsible for Obamacare and also helped get it passed, Jonathan Gruber, he actually said in an interview that has since become public that they relied on the ignorance of the American people to get the law passed. In other words, he was saying, if the American people actually knew what was really in Obamacare, there's no way anyone would have gone for it. And so they had to rely on, as Nancy Pelosi said, you know, we have to pass the bill to find out what's in it, right. As she, as she infamously said. But I mean, it's appalling. But these are the kinds of things that happen now in terms of reforms. I think the different ideas that are getting bannered about right now on Capitol Hill are definitely good. I would also really like to see the return of catastrophic plans. In other words, very basic things are not covered. The things that are covered are the big catastrophic events. In other words, you would make health insurance look like what it used to. You would make health insurance look like to be what used like car insurance. You know, your car insurance doesn't cover things like getting your oil changed. It doesn't cover things like getting your tires rotated, replacing wiper blades, things that are just regular maintenance items. But that's what we expect health insurance to do today. We try to make health insurance cover everything from, you know, your annual checkup to some over the counter medicines. I mean, it's crazy because every time you make health insurance cover one more thing, you know, yes, you're getting an additional benefit, but the cost of that benefit just, just gets passed right on to the, to, to the consumer in the form of a, of a higher healthcare premium. So the consumer doesn't actually pay, pay any less in total, you're just paying in a different way. But on top of that, now you've added in middlemen costs from the insurance company and so the, the consumer ends up actually paying slightly more for their healthcare coverage. And because of all the different regulations and everything that have been piled on because of Obamacare, everything has gotten grossly more expensive. It turns out everything Obama told us was a complete lie when he said, if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. No, you couldn't. Obamacare made a lot of those healthcare plans illegal. He said, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. No, it forced a lot of doctors out of business and it forced a lot of doctors to no longer take, take most insurance. And so if, when we're talking about reforms again, I like a lot of the ideas that are being talked about right now, but my favorite idea would still be just full repeal of the entire aca.

[John]

Well, history is going to show us what happens in December. Mike Johnson was pretty clear on the show. He's getting it done, so we'll see what happens. E.J. antoni, chief economist at the Heritage foundation. You always help us understand these things so much better. What great, great honor to have you on the show today. Thanks for joining us.

[E.J. Antoni]

Oh, it's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

[John]

Yeah, great, great honor. All right, folks, coming up next, Tim Doer, executive director at Unleashed Prosperity, will join us. But while we're in the break, it's a perfect opportunity to head over to AMAC Us because you can join like I do for as little as $1.20 a month for a five year membership. I'm a five year card carrying member. You should join me. Go do it. It's a great, great opportunity. Organization. One more time, AMAC us. Justine. We'll be right back. Hey, folks. As an investigative journalist, I spent my career digging into the facts, cutting through noise, asking hard questions and getting to the truth. And when it comes to who I recommend to my audience, I hold everyone to the same standard. That's why I want to tell you I've done the homework. And amac, the association of Mature American Citizens, is the real deal. AMAC is a conservative alternative to aarp. They're focused on faith, family and freedom. And they offer real benefits to their members, myself included, including discounts on travel insurance, in prescriptions. So much more exclusive resources. And they're excellent. AMAC magazine. And right now, when you sign up for a five year membership, you'll save up to 33%. That's just over a dollar a month. A smart investment. To stay informed, get real value and support a cause that matters, visit AMAC Us justnews today. I've done the vetting. Now you can take the next step.

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[John]

Welcome back everybody to this just the news Real America's Voice special report brought to you by our great friends at amac, the association of Mature American Citizens. Tonight I have a very special co host. You know her well, she's the AMAC CEO, Rebecca Weber. And it's time now to bring in Tim Dosher, Executive Director at Unleash Prosperity. We're going to learn a little bit about what the economic benefits of shrinking government can do. Tim, great to have you on.

[Tim Dosher]

Great to be here, John. Rebecca, thanks for having me.

[John]

We love what you and Steve Moore and all the other good folks at Unleash Prosperity do because you're educating us day in and day out. Less government translates into more prosperity, doesn't it?

[Tim Dosher]

Well, yeah, this is really the sign of our times as the national Debt grows to $38 trillion and people around the country are seeing the shutdown and saying what the hell are we getting for all this money that we're sending to Washington D.C. and they're squandering. So yeah, this is a big issue. It's the issue of our times and our future.

[Rebecca Weber]

Tim, from your perspective, is this shutdown, do you see it as a short term political standoff or do you think it really reflects a much deeper issue with Washington's unwillingness to rein in federal spending?

[Tim Dosher]

I think it's mostly political. I think it's a bunch of losers trying to get some ground to stand on. And by losers I mean people on the left in the Democrat Party are choosing to take a bill they voted for many times and sit on it and say we want actually something else, something massive, something that would completely undo the one big beautiful bill which was passed democratically through the right process, through all the proper channels. They're holding us hostage so they could basically nullify everything that the Republicans did. So yeah, of course this is how desperate they are for an issue. And, and I agree that this is absolutely going to end after the election, because after the election maybe they win the governor's race in New Jersey, maybe they win the governor's race in Virginia and then that's their off ramp to this. They're looking for an off ramp. They need something to get out of this because they know this is not going the way they wanted it to.

[Rebecca Weber]

And the critics, they warn that the shutdowns are hurting everyday Americans, federal workers, veterans and so on. But defenders are arguing that it proves exactly what you've said, that much of Washington is bloated and non essential from a free market perspective. Do you see this shutdown as more of a danger or is this an opportunity?

[Tim Dosher]

Look, I think it's an opportunity. I mean, think about I just, you know, I think because we talk about all the people who are being affected by this, and we should. That's absolutely important. And, and that's been one of the main talking points that the right has been saying. But that is exactly what I've seen come of this, is the unification that's happening on the right to dig their feet in, stand on the moral high ground that they have. They're not asking for anything more than just continuing the garbage that's been happening in this country. They're not asking for cuts, they're not asking for anything. They're simply standing on the moral high ground. And so. So it's been remarkable to see so many confident people on the right stand up and say, we're not gonna be held hostage here and pay these hostage takers a ransom. We're not going to do that. And they've held strong, and it's working because we see President Trump's popularity really isn't fading, and we see that Congress's popularity is not really fading either. And that's exactly what the left was hoping for. So, look, I do see this as. As a tough situation, but I also see it as a unifying factor throughout the right. And I think if we keep our heels dug in, we will be the victors out of that.

[John]

Yeah. And that's unlike Republicans in the past, which often dug the heels out pretty quickly.

[E.J. Antoni]

Yes.

[John]

They would fold.

[Rebecca Weber]

Right.

[John]

Yeah. The different group. It's really interesting. All right, I want to play this out down the road. The government finally reopens after the election. Republicans have an opportunity to go in and start surgically removing all of this waste. Tell us where you think they should start. Give us a roadmap of the best cutting that could occur that would make Americans happy.

[Tim Dosher]

Well, yeah, we do want to cut. We want to cut so much. Let me just put this in as easy a framework, John, as I possibly can. Most of the damage that we see in this government is because we're held to old standards and old routines that perpetuate big, bloated government. And so one of the biggest examples of that, and we saw this in the one big beautiful bill debate, was the CBO and the JTC Joint Taxation Committee that have these archaic rules that say you can't score things dynamically, you have to score things statically. And what that means is, is you can't officially say, hey, we want to pass tax cuts, and we believe it's going to cost this much money, but then it's also going to grow the economy by this much. So it actually isn't going to cost money because the growth is actually going to outweigh what we spend on it. We're not allowed to do that right now. What we have to say currently is if we're going to cut taxes by a trillion dollars, that's going to be a trillion dollars that we need to make up for. And therefore, it nullifies every possible thing that we could do in order to make across the finish line. And so, John, I think one of the biggest things is that I think that the Republicans have, once they get through this, I think they have the high ground right now to go in and start making the case in Congress. We have the majorities. We want to start scoring dynamically. We don't want to do the static scoring anymore. We have the ability, we have the technology, we have all of the things that we can see to forecast a dynamic score. And therefore, that would help pass spending cuts and it would pass tax relief at a giant level. I think that's a big one.

[John]

Wow.

[Rebecca Weber]

Yeah. I'm curious, if these temporary subsidies are allowed to become permanent, these Obamacare subsidies that come with this huge price tag, what kind of precedent do you think that could set for future crises? Do we think that we could turn every temporary measure into a permanent expansion of government?

[Tim Dosher]

Of course. I mean, never let a crisis go to waste is what Rahm Emanuel said in Barack Obama's administration. And they've been operating like that ever since. I mean, don't think for a second that Chuck Schumer didn't see the upside and. And passing the current CR multiple times before now. No, they saw upside to it. They saw the ability to keep their hooks into the government and to continue to grow it. But it's only when you start to threaten that. It's only when you start to say, hey, look, these subsidies are going away. We're gonna cut this because Covid's over and we no longer need it, number one. And number two, we're tired of enriching insurance companies. Insurance companies. They're not lowering costs. Healthcare continues to rise. They're not lowering costs. So what the hell are we subsidizing all this for? What do these stand for? And really what it is is it's the left's paying off their base. They're paying off their donors. They wanna continue using that. So they're using this as their crisis, and they're not letting it go to waste at this point. However, I think that because of the unification, like I was saying, of the Right. And the Republicans, I think that the American people are actually getting a very good lesson. And how the swamp has become so deep, so mired and so thick here.

[John]

In Washington that it is. That's what this shutdown has really done. It's given us a great civics lesson about how this system got so out of whack. It's been amazing. Tim Dosher, executive director at Unleashed Prosperity. Always great to have on your show. Thanks for doing it, my friend.

[Tim Dosher]

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

[John]

Yeah, always fun to have him on. All right, folks, Rebecca and I have just one more brick to get you. But before we do that, head over to AMAC US Just News and join me. Become a five year member at the association of Mature American Citizens like I am. You can do it for as little as a buck 20amonth. That's a steal. It's a five year membership just like me. Go do it during the break. AMAC US Just News. All right, we'll be right back to wrap things up.

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[John]

Welcome back, America, to this final segment of our special report. Tonight, we've been talking all about the government shutdown and whether Republicans can turn this crisis into a catalyst for real reform. Joining me now for some final thoughts has been my incredible co host tonight, Amax CEO Rebecca Weber, whose great organization makes these conversations possible. Rebecca, I felt like we got some big news out of this today. Several members of the House Budget Committee telling us, hey, when we get back from the shutdown, Obamacare is going to be substantially revamped. Kind of consistent with what the speaker told me last week. It seems like there's a little history right around the corner.

[Rebecca Weber]

Yeah, Obamacare is bad. It was bad when it was first conjured up. I spoke with people back in 2009. They said this is going to be a terrible mistake, ruin. What I always looked at is the greatest healthcare system in the world with innovation and doctors that were incentivized to treat their patients Today, John, so many people have personal stories about how Obamacare has hurt them. So AMAC members are pushing for a full repeal. Get rid of it, toss it out. It doesn't work. But what I found really interesting in speaking with our guests was when Congressman Grothman said that his constituents are saying there's a government shutdown or, and, or let's not cave. You know, the majority of American people, they understand that $37 trillion of debt is not sustainable. And so they're pushing their elected representatives to stand strong and not cave to this Schumer's demands. Now AMAC and our coalition partners, John, we are urging Congress not to cave to demand to extend these temporary ACA subsidies. They were meant to be temporary and again they carry a $400 billion price tag. They were meant to expire when the COVID emergency did. Democrats, they are using this opportunity to really ultimately what it's doing, John, is hurting the average hard working American person out there.

[John]

Yeah. And I think in the conversations we had with Marlin Stutzman and Gun Growthman and that sentiment came through that most people don't even notice that the government's been shut down. It's kind of like you bought a streaming service, you didn't watch it for months. You go to your TV one day and you're like, oh my God, I haven't used it. I'm canceling that. I think we might be in a political version of that moment where Americans are like, it's okay, cancel it. Cause I realize we're not using a lot of what we're paying for. That is perhaps a once in a generation moment in American history. How do you think AMAC members jump in and push get those sort of big decisions made?

[Rebecca Weber]

They really do. I mean, at the heart of AMAC membership is a bit of rugged individualism. They take it upon themselves to think about how best to provide for their families. They recognize that government is not the answer. And we see that in any government run program, the free enterprise system works so much better. Obamacare it. Our guests said it. Obama made many promises. Those promises are broken. We couldn't keep our doctors. Premiums were not cheaper. They're rising. And now they're pushing for coverage of illegal immigrants. In America. I mean, Americans recognize that this is just not sustainable. It's not going to work. So we hope that the size of government ultimately shrinks and we're gonna keep holding leaders accountable. We're gonna unpack all of the consequences and we're gonna educate the public. But it was just wonderful to hear really from so many smart people who are on the front lines of this debate.

[John]

Yeah, I thought when you were talking about Obamacare elicited something that's really important. A lot of Americans don't realize those subsidies that we've been paying the 400 billion that you mentioned, they're not going to American people. They're going to insurers who are big Democratic donors. So I think that was really a big education moment that people got the seats at. It was pretty fun to have that conversation. And as always, every time you come on, Rebecca, we have such a great time together. We learn a lot on the, on the journey. All right, folks, I want to thank Rebecca first for being an amazing co host. As always, I want to challenge you to do me a favor tonight. I am a 5 year card carrying member. Every time I go out with, I have my AMAC card with me. I just save 40% on a car rental this week and using AMAC. I love it. You'll love it. Do me a favor. If you haven't joined, if you've got a friend who has to join, go right now and thank AMC tonight. Go to amac us justnews and join. Get a 5 year membership for just a buck 20amonth. That is a steal. You'll be joining me, Rebecca and so many other patriots and supporting one of the great organizations. They're doing great things for this country. All right, have a great weekend everybody. We'll be back Monday with regular programming. Until then, God bless you. Hey folks, as an investigative journalist, I've spent my career digging into the facts, cutting through noise, asking hard questions and getting to the truth. And when it comes to who I recommend to my audience, I hold everyone to the same standard. That's why I want to tell you I've done the homework. And amac, the association of Mature American Citizens, is the real deal. AMAC is a conservative alternative to aarp. They're focused on faith, family and freedom. And they offer real benefits to their members, myself included, including discounts on travel insurance in prescriptions, so much more exclusive resources and their excellent AMAC magazine. And right now, when you sign up for a five year membership, you'll save up to 33%. That's just over a dollar a month. A smart investment. To stay informed, get real value, and support a cause that matters, Visit AMAC US JustNewsToday. I've done the vetting. Now you can take the next step.

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