LUTNICK GRILLED ON EPSTEIN TIES, SUICIDE NOTE UNSEALED, TRUMP IRAN | THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW

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Real America’s Voice: The Charlie Kirk Show

Episode: LUTNICK GRILLED ON EPSTEIN TIES, SUICIDE NOTE UNSEALED, TRUMP IRAN
Date: May 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show (broadcast from the RAV DC studios) dives into three major stories making headlines: the grilling of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick on his Epstein connections, the unsealing of Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide note, and the latest developments in the Trump administration’s handling of the Iran conflict. Host Charlie Kirk and guests provide unfiltered commentary on political corruption, dysfunction in deep-blue cities, foreign policy, and U.S. electoral dynamics, with engaging moments from LA’s contentious mayoral debate and California’s heated gubernatorial race.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Operation in Iran: Ceasefire, Blockade, and Project Freedom

Timestamps: 01:33 - 02:40; 29:14 - 48:21

• Defensive Operations in the Gulf:
  Charlie and Mike Brest clarify that current U.S. naval activities are strictly defensive; there will be no attacks unless provoked by Iran.

  "We're not attacking them...there's no shooting unless we're shot at first."
  — Mike Brest (01:52)

• Cole Allen Case and Iran War Motivation:
  Federal prosecutors revealed that a suspect, Cole Allen, was allegedly motivated by grievances over the Iran conflict and aimed to retaliate against the Trump administration.

  "He wanted to fight back against the Trump administration...May have contributed to his decision to conduct the attack."
  — Charlie Kirk (02:17)

• Abrupt Shift in Project Freedom:
  Defense reporter Mike Brest explains that the Trump administration paused "Project Freedom" (aimed at freeing 22,000 trapped seamen) after Iranian attacks, signaling a preference for ending hostilities and focusing on a peace deal.

  "The President wants to see this wrapped up...Iran hasn’t lived up to the main component of the ceasefire agreement."
  — Mike Brest (33:14)

• Impact and Leverage of the U.S. Blockade:
  The economic blockade has hurt Iran, but the Iranian regime seems prepared to absorb the pain, leading to a current stalemate.

  "Iranians are particularly set up to handle this type of pain...They have a high threshold."
  — Mike Brest (36:51)

• Peace Deal Framework – Nuclear Program Stalemate:
  Trump’s team demands Iran’s enrichment moratorium (ideally 20 years), curbs on missile programs, and proxy funding; Iran publicly resists. Comparison is drawn to the former Obama nuclear deal.

  "Neither side has really changed their tune...It’s hard to see how they get a deal agreed upon."
  — Mike Brest (44:54)

• Region’s Shifting Allegiances:
  Gulf states’ support for U.S. action fluctuates amid Iranian missile/drone attacks.

  "Their position vacillates from week to week...They have now experienced the threat Iran poses to the region."
  — Mike Brest (38:15)

• Prospects for Regime Change?
  Despite rumors of arming Iranian dissidents, widespread suppression and blackouts cloud prospects for internal overthrow.

  "It’s not exactly clear who would get the guns or how..."
  — Mike Brest (46:12)

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2. Corruption Spotlight: Virginia State Senator Louise Lucas

Timestamps: 08:56 - 24:31

• FBI Raids and Entrenched Power:
  Analysis of FBI raids on Luca’s businesses (dispensary, group homes, etc.) reveals vertical integration and heavy Medicaid funding, with Lucas herself influencing funding as a committee chair.

  "She owns the business that benefits off the Medicaid dollars...She's chairing the Senate Finance Committee that funds Medicaid."
  — Charlie Kirk (11:26)

• PPP Loans & Political Retaliation Claims:
  Lucas received ~$600k in PPP loans, perhaps forgiven, and claims the raids are political retribution—a claim complicated by evidence the probe began under Biden.

  "She’s fighting back by claiming this is political retaliation from the Trump administration...[but] it originates in the Biden administration."
  — Blake (12:38)

• Documented Negligence & Abuse:
  Lucas’ facilities reported some of the state’s worst safety records—217 citations, 9 deaths, over 100 serious incidents—yet little oversight, implicating systemic rot.

  "Her facilities have one of the worst safety and compliance records...Virtually zero enforcement actions because she probably is making sure that there are zero."
  — Host/Charlie Kirk (21:04)

• Corruption Culture and Tribal Loyalty:
  Despite overwhelming evidence, local support remains strong for Lucas, reflecting a broader pattern of entrenched, racially clustered political loyalty (with a robust critique of identity-based politics).

  “This is how politics works in the third world...No matter how corrupt they are, I stand behind our person."
  — Blake (22:59)

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3. Howard Lutnick and the Epstein Investigation

Timestamps: 26:07 - 27:11; 51:43 - 52:31

• Congressional Testimony Over Epstein Ties:
  Lutnick, under House Oversight scrutiny, is accused of deception regarding trips to Epstein’s island. Partisan divides emerge on transparency and the nature of the coverup.

  "I feel very comfortable saying that Howard Lutnick is a pathological liar who is enabling the most egregious cover up in American history."
  — Charlie Kirk (26:50, 51:43)

• Transparency and Accountability:
  The committee pledges to continue investigation, noting it’s a felony to mislead Congress.

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4. California Politics: Mayoral and Gubernatorial Races

Timestamps: 6:30 - 7:39; 64:54 - 86:05

• L.A. Mayoral Race Slugfest – Spencer Pratt vs. Nithya Raman:
  The show spotlights viral debate moments, with Pratt directly confronting the city's spiraling homelessness, addiction, and violent crime, and calling out leftist governance.

  “If you go for a walk in downtown Los Angeles, you’re going to get killed. You’re going to get literally stabbed in the neck. That’s a MAGA Republican?"
  — Spencer Pratt (65:22-66:23 summarized by Charlie Kirk & Jack Posobiec)

• Debate on Non-Citizen Voting Rights:
  Tensions rise over extending voting to non-citizens; Pratt pushes back against progressive expansionism.

  "Should the political franchise be limited to people who are actually American?...It's just the suicide of a country."
  — Blake (71:03)

• Gubernatorial Race: Steve Hilton vs. Machine Politics:
  Hilton describes his leading poll numbers, warns of a “two Democrat runoff,” and details how the state’s top-two primary system could block Republicans entirely.

  "You could very well see Becerra and Steyer as the top two. It's a total disaster."
  — Steve Hilton (77:39)

• Corruption Allegations Against Becerra:
  Hilton alleges illegal campaign payments to staffers, violations of finance and ethics laws, and taxpayer funding for illegal immigrant canvassers.

  "It explicitly says they use paid canvassers...including undocumented...taxpayers funding illegal immigrants to campaign for Becerra."
  — Steve Hilton (83:08)

• The Political “Trump Card”:
  Hilton critiques opponents’ reliance on anti-Trump rhetoric to deflect from local failures:

  "You guys are a disaster. You're doing terrible. Well, I hope Donald Trump. Donald Trump is bad...Is he running for governor?"
  — Blake & Steve Hilton (80:16-80:26)

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5. Urban Collapse: Fires, Arson, and Infrastructure Breakdown in LA

Timestamps: 89:04 - 95:04

• Preventable Disasters & Environmental Red Tape:
  The Palisades fire, California's most expensive disaster, is traced to preventable human action and obstructive environmental regulations.

  "It was started on purpose...but they didn’t bulldoze because there was an endangered plant...left the fire smoldering which reignited."
  — Steve Hilton (89:04)

• Exploding Public Disorder:
  Discussion of cascading urban chaos: arson, rampant copper and catalytic converter theft, with city officials prioritizing progressive policies over basic law enforcement and public safety.

  "They're refusing to maintain civilization...when the World Cup shows up, the lights will not be on because they're stealing the wires."
  — Blake (92:42)
  "Street diets" and anti-car policies now prevent the repair of essential infrastructure.
  — Steve Hilton (93:52)

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6. Culture Wars & The Catholic Vote

Timestamps: 53:41 - 61:51

• Rubio’s Visit to the Vatican:
  The show analyzes why Secretary Rubio, not VP Vance (both described as “evangelical Catholic”), is representing the administration at a papal meeting amid midterm politicking.

  "Why make an enemy of the Pope when you're in this huge fight?...the Catholic vote was a huge swing vote."
  — Charlie Kirk (59:26)

• Electoral Calculus:
  Battleground states with high Catholic populations are highlighted as crucial for 2028 and congressional cycles.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is how politics works in a lot of the third world. It's how politics works in countries that are divided into, let's just say it, ethnic and racial little clusters." — Blake (22:59)
• "If you want to sell cannabis...guess who tends to get those permits? Not guys like you and me...It tends to be the politically well heeled and well connected." — Host (11:26)
• "If you go for a walk in downtown Los Angeles, you're going to get killed. You're going to get literally stabbed in the neck. That's a MAGA Republican?" — Jack Posobiec paraphrasing Spencer Pratt (66:23)
• "They won't clamp down on [arson and metal theft]...It's a total collapse of civilization." — Steve Hilton (93:52)
• "You got to vote, and you got to vote for me to guarantee that we get a Republican in the top two." — Steve Hilton (79:21)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Virginia Corruption Case: 08:56 – 24:31
• Epstein/Lutnick Investigation: 26:07 – 27:11 & 51:43 – 52:31
• Iran/Trump Ceasefire & Blockade: 29:14 – 48:21
• LA Mayoral Debate: 64:54 – 71:37
• California Governor's Race: 74:21 – 95:04

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Summary Tone

Authentically conversational, direct, and occasionally sardonic—emphasizing skepticism toward entrenched power and left-leaning urban mismanagement, and offering strong support for reform-minded “outsider” candidates.

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Useful Links

• Real America’s Voice (RAV)
• The Charlie Kirk Show

This summary captures the central themes, memorable exchanges, and key civic concerns from an episode dense with timely political content, delivered in the voices of outspoken right-of-center commentators.

Transcript

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[Charlie Kirk]

to destroy their navy.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

They have no navy left. They don't.

[Mike Brest]

Not a navy.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

They have small boats in Boston Whalers,

[Mike Brest]

but they don't have a navy left.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

They don't have an Air Force. Operation is over. Epic fury is a president notified Congress.

[Mike Brest]

We're done with that stage of it.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Okay. We're now on to this project of freedom. This is a defensive operation and what that means is very simple.

[Mike Brest]

There's no shooting unless we're shot at first.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're not attacking them.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

We're not.

[Mike Brest]

But if they are attacking us or

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

they're attacking a ship, you need to respond to them.

[Mike Brest]

But it's defensive in nature.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

So if you hear stories about attacks

[Mike Brest]

and launching of firing back and forth.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not back and forth.

[Mike Brest]

We are only responding if attacked first.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Reuters obtaining intel docs at show.

[Charlie Kirk]

As you point out, the dinner shooting suspect and alleged Trump wannabe assassin was triggered apparently by the Iran war.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Federal prosecutors in fact say Cole Allen

[Charlie Kirk]

wanted to fight back against the Trump administration with a preliminary assessment by DHS stating that Allen had multiple social and

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

political grievances that concluded with the conflict in Iran and they believe that may

[Blake]

have contributed to his decision to conduct the attack. Cole has been charged with multiple felonies

[Charlie Kirk]

and faces up to life in prison

[Blake]

and he remains in a D.C. jail tonight.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

This is a yes or no question and answer. So there's an LA council member. He wants voters to decide. He is saying that non citizens, should they be allowed to vote in local elections? Is this a yes or no, Mr. Pratt?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, Mayor Bus. It depends. It's not a yes or no.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Depends on what?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, first of all, when you say non citizens, it doesn't mean they're here illegal. It doesn't mean they're undocumented. They could have green cards, they could be here. Perfectly legal. And there's a lot of states and cities that do that on very, very local elections. We have to see what the councilman is proposing. Council member Bremen. Yeah, I would say again, it. It does depend in other places, school boards have yes, non citizens. It's the job of the California governor to protect every single Californian. The sanctuary state policy is designed to make sure that our state resources, the taxpayer dollars, the public servants that we have, are focusing on doing their jobs, which is not cooperating with the federal immigration authorities. These are Californians. They contribute to our economy, they pay taxes, and they're one of the only ways that our state has been growing in recent years. She's an incredible liar.

[Blake]

Everyone on their phones, Google it.

[Charlie Kirk]

40 weather stations in the Pacific Palisades. It never went above 40 miles. She's representing. I have to interrupt you. No name calling. She just lied, though. Yeah, but no name calling. She called me a liar. A lot of red states aren't just

[Mike Brest]

necessarily red or Republican.

[Charlie Kirk]

They are voter suppressed. Yeah. And so it's less that there are more Republicans than there are Democrats.

[Mike Brest]

And it's more that the rights, the

[Charlie Kirk]

voting rights of communities that have historically voted for Democrats have been slowly eroded over time. And it's been an uneven playing field. This is where Mayor Vass lives. You notice something? Or here, where Nithya Raman's three million dollar mansion sits. They don't have to live in the mess they've created. Where you live. This is where I live. They let my home burn down. I know what the consequences of failed leadership are. That's why I'm running for mayor, for. For my sons and the rest of us Angelenos that want to stop these corrupt politicians from destroying our city. I'm not sure how to respond to

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

that vision of Los Angeles.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is a MAGA Republican's idea of what Los Angeles looks like.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

This is.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is really not. You are relatively wealthy.

[Mike Brest]

You have access to and.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, stop right now. Why am I, you know my bank account, like, not specifically. How do you know how much money? Because I don't Feel like I'm wealthy at all. I feel like I lost everything in my home, everything I ever worked for, I invested into that home. So to be clear, I'm not wealthy at all. You have access to another home.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

And I don't mean to ask the residency question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Renting that other home with my California fair plan insurance money. Nithya Raman is a millionaire. Her husband is a multi millionaire. There's no manipulation there. If I was wealthy enough to rebuild, I'd already be rebuilding. I wouldn't be running for mayor. I'm going to fight so other people that don't have that opportunity never feel what it feels like to not be wealthy and not be able to rebuild from scratch after you've lost everything because of these people that failed. Every day there's a battle for your mind. Raging information coming from every angle with

[Terrence Bates]

the will to deceive.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's Thursday, May 7th. I'm on location here at the Real America's Voice DC Studio. So thank you to Rob and Parker Sig and the whole team here for making me feel so welcome. Appreciate it. It's technically the remote, the mobile Yrefi studios. Blake's holding it down in Phoenix, Arizona at the Y Refi permanent studios. Our friends over at Y Refi, check them out. How we doing, Blake? We're doing great.

[Blake]

If you're really on the road, like if you're only using your webcam in your. In your laptop. Is it the Y refi laptop or the Y Refi?

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

It would have to be.

[Blake]

Yeah, it would have to be the wirefly mobile microphone.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Listen, we've got a packed show and lots to get to. An amazing debate, actually for LA Mayor with Spencer Pratt, who's who is really taking the nation and social media by storm. We're going to get to that as well in hour two with Steve Hilton, who is going to be joining us to go over his gubernatorial debate from just a couple days ago. Blake is. I wouldn't say you're the most positive about the prospects in California, but nevertheless, I think it's a very important case study in just how insane left wing politics have gotten. How corrupt, how dysfunctional, how inept, how poorly run Democrat jurisdictions are and people are voting with their feet. There's a few people willing to stay and fight and we want to support those people, certainly. But because, Blake, I think it highlights just how corrupt Democrat politics have become, especially when they get this grip on power. Case in point is Virginia. We wanted to lead the story, lead the show today with a story out of Virginia. We mentioned it briefly on the show yesterday. And that is about, you know, an FBI raid over a state senator, Louisa Lucas, who is a state senator in Virginia, who led the redistricting fight. And then, lo and behold, all of a sudden, her cannabis dispensary. Yes, she has a cannabis dispensary, gets raided by the FBI, along with some other properties that she owned, offices that she controlled. Blake, you highlighted this wonderful article breaking it all down for us. So please do that. Start us off, Blake.

[Blake]

Exactly. So, like you said, it's Luis Lucas. She's been in the Virginia state senior senate for about 30 years. And so one of those, well, entrenched lawmakers that you'll see often Democrats at the state level, they've been there a very, very long time, have a lot of institutional power. So she's not the majority leader, but she was perceived as playing a very central role in redrawing the state's maps, ramming that through. And now, just a few days after their vote, and she's raided by the FBI. They came in, it was almost like it was a J6 raid. They had SWAT teams busting in to her dispensary and several other buildings. She has a whole network of different entities and companies that are linked to her, her family. They almost all have Lucas in the name, Lucas Lodge llc, which runs group homes, the cannabis outlet, Lucas Professional Center, Lucas Hospitality, Lucas Medical Transportation. We know that is a very fraught business. We don't know no charges have been dropped yet. But it's a lot of connections to companies where we know political corruption is a big opportunity. For example, her cannabis business, Virginia is one of those states where you can run a licensed cabinet cannabis dispensary. Excuse me. And it's. If you have some sort of. It's one of those ways things you can get more easily if you have political connections. It's one of those things where.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Can you pause right there? So I know this from stories out of the state of Nevada. When they legalized, which was my home state, when they legalized it, there was a massive push at the political level, the local level, to basically get their hands on it because they only give out so many permits for cannabis dispensaries. That's sort of the handshake deal here, right? We're going to legalize it, but we're going to, we're going to control it, contain it in certain ways. One of which is they give only a certain number of permits for facilities that maybe are like indoor greenhouses that could grow it and storefronts. So you, if you want to sell cannabis to the public, weed, you have to get a permit. Well, guess who tends to get those permits, Blake. Not guys like you and me, because we probably would. Not that I would do it. Although it is a lucrative business, it tends to be the politically well heeled and well connected, which is exactly Luis Lucas, who this person is. By the way, shout out to the channel VA change agent who published this very detailed document on X VA change agent. Check it out if you want to follow along. But this is what's revealed in it, Blake, is that this is a sitting state senator out of Virginia that has consolidated power over the years. This is not a collection of random businesses. It's a vertically integrated operation. I'm reading direct from the article, real estate ownership via the trust group homes, by the way, which are funded by Medicaid. Another one of those little tie ins. Real estate ownership, transportation, day support and direct care, all feeding off Medicaid dollars while her political entities launder influence and campaign cash back into the system. So that's right, her own businesses are funneling money back into her campaign pack. And get this, the same person. This is Luis Lucas, who's chairing the Senate Finance and Appropriations Committee, which funds Medicaid in the state of Virginia. She personally owns all these buildings, so she's on the committee that disperses the funds. She owns the business that benefits off the Medicaid dollars that are flowing through. And she might just happen to have been involved in a corruption scandal giving her access to the cannabis dispute dispensary. Blake, am I getting that approximately correct?

[Blake]

She received Lucas. Lucas Lodge llc received in Portsmouth, received two different. She had Lucas to Lucas Lodge and she received a total of about $600,000 in PPP loans in 2020, which may have been repaid, but they may also have just been forgiven. It says paid in full or forgiven. So no easy way to tell there, but we can take a guess. One of the funny things about this is she's. She's fighting back by claiming this is a political retaliation from the Trump administration. The awkward thing is, as reported by Bill Malusian on Fox and some other outlets, is that this investigation apparently originates in the Biden administration. I feel like maybe she would have had better odds if she just, we know a few Democrats have had success with that, where she says, I was about to expose the Democrat Biden machine. And that's, that's worked occasionally on President Trump with a few other Democrats, she might have a better shot with that.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

We're talking not just 600,000 in PPE loans, we're talking $42.3 million in Medicaid taxpayer dollars funneled to Senator Luis Lucas operation between 2006 and 2025. So that's what we're talking about. Over 20 years, full capacity could be as high as 48.5 million as well. There's massive expansion. This is lucrative stuff. And what's wild is that she gets her cannabis dispensary raided. And that seems to be where maybe the corruption scandal, that is the smoking gun, if you will, but is exposing one little Virginia state senator that none of us had ever heard about. It's exposing the depth to which corruption takes root when political power like this gets entrenched. This is why I think this story is emblematic. We still started this week, we talking with Luke Rosiak at the Daily Wire about the fraud in Ohio and about how all these safeguards had been taken off the Medicaid programs and a billion dollars goes out the doors to Somalis doing fraudulent daycare for their family members, doing companionship. And now you see another example in barely blue Virginia where the same thing has happened to a woman that's been able to remain in power for a very long time at a very lucrative sense. I'm going to tell you guys about StrongCell, more on this and we're going to tie it all together in the next segment. But I want to tell you about StrongCell. StrongCell.com I'm going to be honest with you guys. I've been feeling sick all week. I got like, my kids got me sick and I'm still muscling through it. But Strong Cell has been amazing for me, especially in the mornings, to get up, start fresh, get up from out from under whatever I'm dealing with. And I need it. It's been a huge breakthrough for me personally, just to kind of muscle through this and have the energy I need to do the show and so much else. So go to strongcell.com, promo code Charlie. Blake's taking it right there. I took mine at like 8am East coast time. So it's like 5am Your time, Blake. StrongCell.com, promo code Charlie, get 20% off. Give it four to six weeks to do its work. Four to six weeks. Nadh is the breakthrough enzyme your cells need to power up every day. And it will cure a lot of things that you're probably dealing with. Chronic stuff. NADH. StrongCell.com promo code CHARLIE20OFF. 90 day risk free money back guarantee all the things. We'll be right back. All right. Welcome to the remote Y Refi studios here in Washington D.C. blake is at the actual wire. He's got. He's got the mic flag. I'm jealous. I want to tell you about why Refi. They are an amazing company run by amazing people. And they are offering one of the best investment vehicles around. First off, accredited investors can earn up to 10.25% interest. And that rate is fixed. You can spread that investment over anything from one to five years. And you could spread it out over those terms to best suit your needs. When you invest in Y Refi, your interest is calculated daily. You can see it all on the dashboard. It's perfectly transparent like that. And then it's paid out monthly. Then they give you the option to reinvest that interest income or to take it off the table as profit. So it's wonderfully transparent, it's wonderfully flexible. It gives you all the options that you need. And not only that, but they're run by amazing people. We've known them for a long time and they stand for the values that we believe in. And we're honored to be endorsing them and to promoting their product because a lot of people need it. I will tell you that. For more information, call 877-80-Invest. That's 87780-Invest. Or log on to investyrefi.com that's investyrefi.com for complete details. Make sure to review the private placement memorandum and scan this QR code right there on your screen to view the disclosures at your leisure. Why Refi investing in America's future? All right, like, there's more to this story.

[Blake]

I found something pretty amazing in the break because she's been around a long time. And if a lot of people who are lifers in Virginia are saying she's absolute garbage, has been involved in everything. And a really amazing story. This is from summer 2020, the summer of Floyd, when they were having a lot of left wing riots, demonstrations, left wingers. What, what were they doing at the very beginning of that? They were going after statues. They were spray painting statues, ripping them down. And there was an incident where she gets caught on a police body camera telling Police. This is a direct quote from the body camera footage. I'm Senator Luis Lucas. I know I'm in disguise, but they are going to put some paint on this thing. This thing being one of the statues they were targeting. You cannot arrest them. You need to call Dr. Patton because they are going to do it. You can't stop them. So she's going around undercover, ordering police not to arrest vandals who are defacing or destroying public property. In the summer of Floyd.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah, this is a corrupt woman. And I. Again, we're highlighting this. Yes, it's a breaking news story out of yesterday, but it is endemic to our system, the corruption, especially in deep blue areas where the power gets entrenched. We're seeing it across the country and we're gonna highlight it even more. So we talk about Los Angeles, the mayor's race, Steve Hilton with the governor's race. But I'm gonna show you this clip. And to me, it blew me away, but it didn't surprise me. But it just. It's a reflection of just the how out of touch. Or how about this? How tribal people are in these areas where people like Luis Lucas get their stranglehold on power. Sat 17. She did more good than bad. No matter what they say, they tried to bother her because she's a strong, opinionated person. You know, she looks out for her

[Steve Hilton]

state, for her people.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

And I don't understand what all this is about.

[Terrence Bates]

And I feel it's all political.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's character assassination. They've been doing this for years.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

For people who are in power, who

[Charlie Kirk]

represent our community, this is not the first time character assassination.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

And we hope that it's not nothing.

[Charlie Kirk]

But at the same time, the community. Myself, Earl Lewis, I'm gonna stick with her.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Those are her constituents that put her into office, and they say she's done more good than bad. This is a character assassination. She's. We're sticking with her. Whatever the case may be.

[Blake]

I have even more compelling information about the summer of 2020. So she's in disguise telling police, don't block these demonstrators from vandalizing this statue. And then the demonstrators proceed to illegally rip the statue down, and it fell on one of their heads and turned him into a vegetable. Like actually serious brain damage. And he's in a wheelchair. Nonverbal, I believe, probably at one of

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

her homes, possibly one of her homes, by taxpayers.

[Blake]

And then they blamed her for this. And she tried to sue the city, saying that they had basically aligned against her. And then this body camera footage actually surfaced as A result of that, if I'm, if I'm reading this correctly, which I'm finding.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

There's even more that I found. Blake. There's even more that I found. She was the co sponsor of the cannabis legislation that and then she opened the cannabis outlet the same year the legislation passed, which is now the subject of an active FBI corruption bribery investigation. So she co sponsored that legislation and then immediately profited off of it. Here's one other thing that we should talk about. The Luis's Lucas facilities have one of the worst safety and compliance records of any of such facilities in the state of Virginia. They found 217 citations since 2021among the highest violation counts of any they call intellectual developmental disabilities provider in Virginia. They've had nine individuals die while in care. So that's across multiple years. Serious incidents. They've had 143 serious incidents involving injuries since 2019. They had 102 before 2022 or. Yeah, 102. Yeah, I think I got the numbers right there. Corrective action failures. 46 citations for failing to implement required corrective action plans over a five year period and virtually zero. Blake, you talk about the way she, her attitude with the body cam footage. Virtually zero enforcement actions because she probably is making sure that there are zero enforcement actions. So this is, I just think this story is remarkable and such a picture into corrupt blue, deep blue politics. And you listen to her constituents and what do they say? We got her back no matter what, doesn't matter how corrupt she is. We like her because that's the way this works, Blake.

[Blake]

This is how politics works. Let's be blunt. This is how politics works in a lot of the third world. It's how politics works in countries that are divided into, let's just say it, ethnic and racial little clusters. That's what this encourages. You need a kind of unified body politic for politics to actually become a competition for providing the best services, providing the best moral conduct, providing good things for the whole society. And America had that for a long time and we achieved a lot of great things. But we, we have through immigration, through dei, through just the rhetoric of the left, we've been racing towards an alternative way of doing politics. And if you want to see how it works out, well, we'll be talking about the Pope himself in a few minutes. The Pope himself has told us to look at Lebanon. You can see how Lebanon works out. You can see how politics in the UK is working out. Where they've got their all South Africa, one country after another and it's not good. But a lot of people will say, I stand behind our person. No matter how corrupt they are, I stand behind.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

You're wrong. Diversity is our strength, Blake. Diversity is our strength. Sing it loud, sing it proud. It is our mantra. We're going to we're going to shift focus now. We're going to go to breaking news out of Iran. Why did the Project Freedom really break down? Why did President Trump posit We're going to go into those details with a intrepid reporter next.

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[Charlie Kirk]

I feel like that Lutnick's been very transparent. He came in voluntarily. I said before this thing started, the only thing that I had seen that Lutnick did wrong wasn't 100% truthful on the brief visit to the island with his family. He corrected that in his opening statement. And, you know, we'll see, we'll continue our investigation. And if we find that there were any misstatements by Lutnick, it's a felony to lie to Congress and he'll be held accountable. I feel very comfortable saying that Howard Lutnick is a pathological liar who is enabling the most egregious cover up in American history. I recommend that every single American, when this interview is released, read the document in full. Democracy Lives in Light. The Charlie Kirk Show.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

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[Blake]

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[Mike Brest]

Thanks for having me.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yes, absolutely. So there's so much to go through, but I want to start with there was an NBC report that says the story behind the story here with the abrupt U turn on Project Freedom, right where they were going to escort some of these groups that have been trapped in the Strait for now weeks and weeks and weeks. There's 22,000 crewmen or something like that that are just trapped behind there. Then rockets start getting shot, missiles start getting shot. And then there was an abrupt pause. What is your reporting showing that's actually going on and why that may have happened?

[Mike Brest]

So it's hard to tell definitively of why or what prompted the President's pretty dramatic reversal. I mean, it was only earlier that day that both Secretary Hegseth and Secretary Rubio were out in front of the media pretty proudly talking about Project Freedom. And so one thing that seems to have been a factor was the US Response to how Iran retaliated. And so you mentioned that there were some skirmishes between Iranian naval vessels and the US Navy vessels, and they also attacked commercial shipping. But the other thing that Iran did was they carried out or launched drones and missiles towards the uae, which did impact an oil refinery there. And so that seemed to be a big moment because it was the first time since President Trump announced the cease fire that Iran attacked another Gulf country. And then the US Went as far to say that that attack, as well as the attacks on the US Navy vessels did not amount to a breach of the cease fire or that the cease fire was still in effect. And so it seems like there is, there was consternation among Gulf countries that there was concern that the US Essentially brushed off the fact that Iran launched drones and missiles specifically targeting the uae.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah, so they basically, there's almost like a tale of two wars here, right? The Americans and the Israelis were super aggressive bombing the crap out of just about anything they could find for weeks. And Trump wants this deal, he wants this to be behind him. I have a sense, I mean, this is just a personal feeling that Trump is probably just ready to put this behind and wants to, wants to chalk it up as a W and move on. Meanwhile, when a skirmish breaks out with this Project Freedom missiles start flying at Gulf partners who've been broadly supportive of the U. S led efforts in Iran, they're like, what the heck we're getting. We're taking shots here on our infrastructure, our oil refineries, and we're not going to retaliate. What's the story? So it's almost like they felt let down by this, according to the reporting. Is that essentially what this is? So Trump is kind of stuck between an Iranian rock and a allies in the region, hard place.

[Mike Brest]

I think you're, you're onto something with the fact that it does seem like the signs are pointing towards the President wanting a deal as opposed to restarting aggressive offensive military operations like we saw in the first six weeks of this war. And the fact that they didn't consider it a violation of the ceasefire is a demonstration of the fact that they don't want to necessarily restart offensive operations. And to take it Back to the April 7 announcement from President Trump about the ceasefire, he said in that initial message that it was all contingent upon Iran reopening the Strait of Hormuz. That message was sent, or the President's announcement, was a month ago today. And over the course of the month, Iran hasn't opened the Strait of Hormuz. So by the President's own terms, Iran hasn't lived up to the one main component of the ceasefire agreement. And yet the US hasn't carried out military operations or, or considered the cease fire null and void, even though that very basic initial principle has not been met.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah. And why do you think that is? Is that what would have to happen for the US to, you know, essentially acknowledge that the cease fire has been violated and that we're going to resume kinetic activities, strikes on Iran. Have you, as you're reporting, any of your sources, kind of indicated what that red line might be? As we're kind of hunting down this now one page memorandum before we're going to send our negotiators back over to probably to Pakistan to negotiate an actual

[Mike Brest]

permanent peace, it's hard to tell exactly what the President is thinking as it relates to what would constitute breaking of a red line. And part of that is because it does seem like the President has made a decision that he wants to see this wrapped up, especially as the situation with the global economy continues to fight some turmoil. And so while the President seems to want to end the war, that knowing that also gives Iran some leverage. And they've, as they've done several times in the past, continue to drag out these negotiations. And it's unclear exactly what would have to happen for the President to try and to essentially throw away these negotiations for a resumption of military operations. But it should also be noted that the US And Iran were negotiating around this time last year prior to the Israeli Iran 12 Day War. And they were negotiating, or at least having talks in January before the start of this conflict. And so the most recent iterations of US Iranian negotiations have not gone well and have led to significant military conflicts. The question is now, is the President willing to restart those conflicts, especially as we get closer to the midterms, and there is little reprieve for the economy, whether that could happen.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah, I mean, there was some good earnings reports today from Wall street, which is, I think, been well received. So, you know, the economy is a mixed bag. Certainly energy prices spiking has been bad. But we're also now exporting, I think we're the leading exporter of oil all of a sudden in the world. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's, we're right up there, you know. So the question that I have here is again, you're spending your days reporting, working your sources, getting the int. Here. Mike, how effective has the US Blockade been? You know, basically you talk about leverage. How much leverage has that actually given us?

[Mike Brest]

So I think the US Blockade has been, in fact, it has been impactful. The problem is when it comes to trying, trying to impose economic ramifications on any economy or any country, it doesn't happen overnight. And so while the blockade has worked, and it does, there are signs of Iran's already troubled economy struggling even further. It's unclear exactly that they're feeling already the effects of this blockade as opposed to the effects they would feel if the US Were to continue this for several months.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

So basically the calculation that has to be made is how long is Iran willing to stomach the economic fallout from this? Everybody seems to report, and maybe you would agree that they have a high threshold for pain. So it could just be this stalemate for the, for the, for the near intermediate future.

[Mike Brest]

That's exactly right. And it feels like that's the point we've come to over the last couple weeks where the Iranians are particularly set up to handle this type of pain. And part of it is the fact that they are not a country that is seeking to benefit better the lives of the civilians in their country. And so they have been able to withstand a tremendous amount of both military and economic pressure to this point, and at this point don't seem ready to crack to US Demands either, leading many to believe that they are holding out and can for quite some time.

[Blake]

So, Mike, one thing that's making it very difficult here. So obviously we've seen the claims that it was airspace issues that brought an end to this Operation Freedom. But bigger picture, what's the overall level of support of our regional allies for the operations against Iran? Because I constantly am seeing claims where one day it's, oh, they don't. They want to deny their airspace. They think it's too much escalation. But then you also see reports where supposedly the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is egging President Trump on to Be tough. Are some of these reports just lies or what is the overall posture of all these middle countries in the Middle East?

[Mike Brest]

I think a lot of the countries in the Middle east, just like the president, sometimes their opinions fluctuate based on the how operations are carried out or the results of them. And so there could have been countries that were open to the idea of Project Freedom but were then turned off to it because they saw the Iranians not only attack commercial and US Navy vessels, but also attack the uae. And I don't think the Gulf countries want to see Iran resume their attacks against them and their infrastructure. That being said, the Iranians have demonstrated the capability and the willingness and the persistence to be able to carry out attacks and on Gulf countries. So while their position on specific aspects of the conflict may vacillate from week to week, they are now even more, even more clearly than it was pre February 28th when the war began. They have now seen and experienced the threat that Iran poses to not just them, but the entire region.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Well, this is, I mean, it seems like Trump has actually done a fairly good job of consolidating support regionally, and Iran has done a fairly poor job of winning any sympathies by, you know, firing missiles at everybody. Mike, stay right there. I've got, I want to, I want to transition our conversation to this one page, sort of memorandum of understanding of this, trying to work out the broad outlines of a peace deal. I want to see what your reporting says there. We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. All right, everybody, I have a special one for you. I'm going to tell you about All Family Pharmacy. And as you hopefully know, Mother's Day is coming up. And if you haven't taken care of the important women in your life, I've got you covered. No worries. We're talking about their health. Because in most families, as soon as someone gets sick, moms are the first ones to step in, take care of everyone and put themselves last. I know that's certainly true right now in my family. My poor wife is taking care of sick kids back home. Right now, All Family Pharmacy is running a Mother's Day sale. 35% off everything on their site. All you have to do is go to allfamilypharmacy.com Kirk allfamilypharmacy.com kirk and use code kirk35. So it's a new code kirk35. The offer ends May 11, so take advantage of it now from hormone and thyroid support to weight loss, energy, everyday medications like antibiotics and antivirals, even anti aging, hair support, all in one place, allergy meds, everyday prescriptions, emergency meds, all the things. So take care of the women who take care of everyone else. Go to allfamilypharmacy.com Kirk and use code Kirk35. Kirk35 is the code to get that 35% off. Everything on their site offer ends May 11th. All right, we continue with Mike Brest, defense reporter from the Washington Examiner. This is what he does all day, every day is covering this beat. So, Mike, I want to, I want to talk about this peace deal. What, what are the demands of the Trump administration? Obviously, no uranium. I would assume a way to extract it, a way to monitor it. So we'll start there. What is the broad outline of what they're going for right now?

[Mike Brest]

So the Trump administration as, as it relates to the nuclear front, the Trump administration wants to see Iran agree to effectively end its nuclear program, wants to figure out a way to extract the highly enriched uranium, which is buried deep underground because of the US Strikes last year in Operation Midnight Hammer. It's unclear exactly where the uranium is, what shape it's in. And so the idea of trying to extract it from deep within Iran is not something that could happen really or easily if the conflict were still ongoing. So that's something that is of a significant priority for the administration. And so they also want to get Iran to agree for some time period that they will refuse or explicitly say they will not pursue uranium enrichment. And so there are reports out there that the Trump administration is seeking a 20 year moratorium. There is also reporting that Iran is not willing to agree to that and would be potentially open to a much smaller moratorium, say five years. All that being said, the Trump administration, and this is why this deal is really hard to see how it gets across the finish line. The Trump administration hasn't changed their position on almost anything. And at the same time, the Iranians have not really at least publicly demonstrated a willingness to do that either. So at this exact moment, it seems like neither side has really changed their tune, so to speak specifically about the nuclear program, the administration, over the course of the war, has talked about aspects unrelated to their nuclear program that they also want to see addressed, like Iran's support for proxies in the region like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis. And the US Also wants to see limits put on Iran's missile capacity and the number of missiles they're allowed to keep at any given time. The hard thing is those are things that the Obama administration determined would be, would make their attempt at a deal too broad and hard to agree upon. And it seems like the administration is figuring out some of those challenges now as they're trying to parse through each individual aspect of the deal that they're hoping to achieve.

[Blake]

So, Mike, one question that does come to mind with this framework is even as you say, there's a lot of obstacles to it. But if it was agreed to, I'm seeing, you know, these long term agreements to stop enriching uranium with some form of monitoring for it. What would, what would set this deal apart? What would be the key differences between this proposed deal and the nuclear deal that we got rid of when President Trump was in office the first time?

[Mike Brest]

So if the administration has their way, and it's not clear that they will, they do want to see aspects like the missile capacity, funding for proxies to be included in this deal. And so that would be a big part of it. The President at times has said he does not want to see Iran enrich uranium at any to any percent or at any in any way. And so that's going to be a really hard obstacle to tackle because obviously Iran wants to continue their nuclear program, which they say is a civil nuclear program. And so if the US Makes the stance that they don't want to see Iran enriched uranium to any level, it's hard to see exactly how they get a deal agreed upon. But that would be one area in which a deal would be different than the Obama era Iran deal.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

All right, so there was a brief mention by President Trump about. Because all of this really hinges on the fact that we have not seen the regime toppled. Right. They've remained in power, their grip on power remains. He made mention that they're going to get guns, referring to the Iranian people, that they're going to get armed soon. Is there any indication that the Iranian people are ready to take up arms against the regime?

[Mike Brest]

It's hard to tell exactly, especially because there is the ongoing Internet blackout throughout Iran. So it's hard to grasp exactly what's going on in the country as it relates to the protests that we saw in late December and early January, which really was the opening chapter of this now conflict or now war. And so it's not exactly clear even who would get the guns or how they would be provided to them. And so it's unclear exactly how this will play out or if we will really see a dramatic domestic uprising.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah, I mean, you've got to imagine with you know, the threats of more murder by the regime against any protests. Everything remains in flux. But then you have the economic turmoil that's going to be roiling the country increasingly as the blockade continues. It does feel like this is a bubbling cauldron that is eventually going to overflow one way or the other. And I just. It doesn't seem like the Iranian regime has any sort of rational economic interests. They don't. Like you mentioned, they don't seem to put the concerns of their people at the forefront. They just want to hold on to power, and they want to play their leverage against the Trump administration to whatever ends that might come. Final, final. 30 seconds to you, Mike. Big picture. What do you predict is going to happen? Are they going to get a peace meeting? Do you think that's actually going to get that far? Where we see another Islamabad negotiation, It's hard to.

[Mike Brest]

Hard to tell exactly at this moment. The things that I'm watching for are how the president approaches this, because ending Project Freedom was essentially a concession to the Iranians without getting anything in return, or at least anything that we can see. And so that was a concession from the Trump administration. And so will there be a alternative concession from the Iranians that we just haven't seen yet, or will we see the president agree to make potentially additional concessions if it means getting a deal and the president, Mike Brest, is a deal maker.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Gotta wrap it up there. Gotta wrap it up there. We're getting a break.

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[Terrence Bates]

Terrence Bates here with your Real America's Voice news break. We appreciate you being here with us. President Trump continues to claim that Iran is ready to make a deal and end the current war with the United States and Israel. Meantime, the US Central Command confirms that American fighter jets fired on an Iranian oil tanker Wednesday as it tried to breach the US Blockade of Iran's ports. The administration maintains that the ceasefire between the US And Iran is still holding. Plus, President Trump says the two month long war could end soon.

[Charlie Kirk]

Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon and

[Steve Hilton]

they won't and they've agreed to that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Among other things.

[Terrence Bates]

The sooner a deal is reached, the sooner global oil and natural gas shipments can restart and that could bring down the current sky high gas prices that we are all paying. Well, there are two very different interactions and interpretations of Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick's closed door testimony before members of the House Oversight Committee. Lutnick voluntarily came before the committee which is investigating Jeffrey Epstein and information released in the Epstein files. The Commerce Secretary, however, has been scrutinized recently after giving conflicting statements about his interaction with Epstein.

[Charlie Kirk]

I feel like that Lutnick's been very transparent. He came in voluntarily. I said before this thing started, the only thing that I had seen that Lutnick did wrong was wasn't 100% truthful on the brief visit to the island with his family. He corrected that in his opening statement and you know, we'll see, we'll continue our investigation and if we find that there were any misstatements by Lutnick, it's a felony to lotnot of Congress and he'll be held accountable. I feel very comfortable saying that Howard Lutnick is a pathological liar who is enabling the most egregious cover up in American history. I recommend that every single American, when this interview is released, read the document in full.

[Terrence Bates]

Chairman James Comer says the interview was not video recorded because Letnick came involuntarily. However, there will be a transcript of of the testimony. There's also new evidence this morning related to Jeffrey Epstein's alleged suicide attempt. Wednesday, a federal judge in New York released a note Epstein's cellmate claims highlighted the child molester's first suicide attempt. The note has been sealed for years now. Epstein's former cellmate, who is a Former police officer serving a life sentence for killing four people claims he found that note back in 2019 after Epstein was found on the floor of their cell with a bed sheet around his neck. That was about three weeks before Epstein's death. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Alright, welcome back. Hour two of the Charlie Kirk show is underway. Joined here on set in dc.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh my gosh.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Oh my goodness. Is Jack Posobic, host of Human Events Daily. I'm not gonna look at him. I'm just gonna look straight at the camera here because we don't have a wide shot.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're actually sitting next. We're actually sitting next to each other. If I can get my fist.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

No, you can't see it. So, Jack, you're Catholic? I am. Blake is Catholic. He is. I was. I went to Catholic high school. I'm a cradle Catholic and I love the Catholics. But we've got an interesting story and there's a lot of tentacles to it, and that is that Marco Rubio is going to be holding a face to face meeting with Pope Leo at the Vatican. So add that to his jobs list.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think technically because of the time change. They already had it.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

They already had it.

[Steve Hilton]

Yeah.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Okay. Well. They already had it. Okay, so I want to play this clip because Rubio has been going viral a lot lately. Just because he's an articulate defender of the President's policies. Might be one of the top two communicators in the admin. I would put JD Vance also as one of the top two. No disrespect to the President, of course. It's just when he's got surrogates out there. He's an impressive communicator. So he gave this speech in advance of the meeting with the Pope.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Catholic faith has always been part

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

of the American story. The first Christian service on our soil was a Catholic Mass. The oldest permanent settlement in the United States is the town of St. Augustine. Planted by Spanish Catholics on the coastal

[Steve Hilton]

sands of my home state of Florida.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Catholic saints were martyred on American soil well over a century before the revolution began.

[Blake]

In missions and settlements, wilderness forts and

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

trading posts stretching from the first colonies

[Charlie Kirk]

and to the distant frontier, Catholic explorers,

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

soldiers, priests and pioneers consecrated this new world to their ancient faith and christened its land with Catholic names. Maryland. St. Louis, San Francisco, Santa Fe.

[Charlie Kirk]

Almost every region of what is now

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

the United States was first explored and mapped by Catholics. So actually that was a speech, I guess he delivered about a month ago. But nevertheless, it's relevant. I wonder if it plays a role in the fact that he's going to meet with the Pope instead of. Because here's what's interesting. So Rubio is, I believe, evangelical. I don't believe he's Catholic. Am I mistaken there?

[Blake]

He goes back and forth. It seems like he's attended evangelical services. I think he says he's Catholic now, but he's got that American tendency to church hop a bit.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

All right, fair enough. I've spoken with the secretary before, he was Secretary of State during the campaign about his faith. And he sort of sounds like an evangelical when you're talking to him. But that's great. The point is, it's interesting that Vice President Vance is not going.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I think that JD not going as the vp. That may come as an event that you were at, actually, where he was discussing this sort of dust up between the President and Pope Leo, where the VP made some comments when you actually asked him the question. And there were, you know, he was saying, well, there's different lanes. And he was basically saying that that's a theological lane, a religious lane. This is a political lane. We're operating in that. I think that was blown out of proportion big time, by the way. I think that's all that he was saying. He wasn't saying that the Pope shouldn't talk at all about those things. He was talking more about the response to it. But I do think that because of that perception, that may be one of the reasons that Rubio is coming in. Look, he's the head of our foreign diplomacy. He is the Secretary of State. It makes sense for him to be meeting a world leader.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

So I got clarity on his faith description. He describes himself as Evangelical Catholic. Super clear.

[Charlie Kirk]

Super clear.

[Blake]

He even attended a Mormon services for a while. As a child, it looks like.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

As a child? Yeah, as a child.

[Charlie Kirk]

Interesting.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

And then he was attended a Southern Baptist church. He returned to his Catholic roots, describing himself as Evangelical Catholic. All right, no wonder I was a bit confused there. So I think that's right. Okay, so what are the goals you think about foreign diplomacy being about the heads of states meeting or meeting with his counterpart in foreign powers. But the Vatican is essentially a very small plot of land in Italy. And so what are the goals here? They're trying to thaw this kind of tension. Blake, what do you think are the goals here?

[Blake]

Well, I think there would be some desire to thaw it because in general, in American politics, we haven't really had the Pope as a big player. But when he has been, there was a Little bit of friction with Pope Francis, but generally the Catholics have, devout Catholics in America have been towards the right when the church has played a role. It's been on stuff like the life issue, gay marriage, euthanasia. And we've never really had this almost feels vaguely medieval bit where you have the Pope sort of frequently saying stuff that is directly at odds with a conservative president. And it is the first American Pope. There's so many different layers to it. I think it's a conflict. They have enough disputes here in the United States. They don't need another one. I think that's how the admin feels. Who knows how the President feels? Because the President is a guy who likes his arguments, his fights, his WWE style mashups. But I think they would desire to have a friendlier relationship or at least not a hostile one.

[Charlie Kirk]

One angle I'd love to throw in though is let's not forget that this is politics too, that we are in a midterm election. And I just pulled up a quick list in Brock here. You look at states that have Senate races, that have governors races that are competitive, that also have high Catholic percentages in terms of the population. And we know from 2024 that the Catholic vote was a huge swing vote, many of which overlaps with the Hispanic Hispanic voting bloc which is now growing in the southern states. You look at places, the Rust Belt, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, which has a Senate and Governor's race high 20%, 25% Catholic population. Ohio, which has a Senate governor's race. Maine has a very high Catholic percentage which of course has a huge Senate race that's going on. That's Planter and Collins. New Hampshire 25%, Nevada, Texas 20%. So Minnesota again like there's just a ton of states. And then North Carolina, which doesn't have as high as a Catholic state. But in a state where it's going to be so competitive, look, every vote counts. And so why make an enemy of the Pope when you're in this huge fight?

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Well, so I want to get your guys thoughts on the Rubio Vance thing. Right. There's been a lot of ink spilled, a lot of reporting commentary about who is going to be the heir apparent going into 2028. For a while there, JD was running away with it clear as day. But Rubio's performance and his skill, his, you know, even at the White House press briefing room when he we took on that new job for a day, I mean he did a great job. Rubio is incredibly effective. Like I said, as a communicator Is it too early to play into this? But I'm hearing other reports that say the president himself is polling audiences in private about who they want. So, you know, the president's thinking about this question. I'll go to you, Jay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I think that, I think, look, we all know the president loves the, you know, the Willy won'ty question. He loves running the Apprentice, which of course, I think is in his, like, 24th, 25th season or something. It's gonna be the last season. So when you look at the polls, JD Vance is by and far still the lead. But there's no question that Rubio has had a slew of headlines in recent days talking about, you know, some of his successes. He's obviously on a high profile trip right now. The real question is if whether or not he wants to, because Rubio has said that if JD Runs, he won't.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

I wonder if things can change. You know, President Trump is very mercurial man. He'll adapt to change situations. I wonder if Rubio shares the same penchant. I want to tell you guys about Hillsdale. We're going to continue on with Jack on the other side of the segment. Great to have him in studio. Hillsdale. Hillsdale College is America's greatest college. Charlie believed that. I believe that. And you never can stop learning. That's the point. Charlie always said you got to learn something new every day. It is good for your brain. It's good for your mind, it's good for your leadership. It's good for your character. A great place to start [e-mail] they have a new course on logic and rhetoric. Learn from Hillsdale professors how to speak masterfully, make a powerful point, and see how clear thinking leads to better decision making and effective speech. They have over 40 of these things on charlieforhillsdale.com and they are 100% free. They are free if you have the willingness, the ability, the time to learn. So make the time. That's the key. Nobody has the time to do it. You have to make the time. Go to charlieforhillsdale.com, pick up the mic, carry it forward, learn like Charlie. Sign up right now for free. Charlieforhillsdale.com we'll be right back. All right, we are here at the Y Refi Studios, remote version. RAV is being very hospitable to us and so we thank them for that. Blake's got the fancy mic flag, so I'm a little jealous. Why Refi? They are great partners of the show. There it is. You can see it right in front of Blake. Why Refi? Great, great friends. Great. Just partners of the show. They've been with us. You've heard us talk about them for a while, and. And for good reason. You are now able, if you are an accredited investor with Y refi, to get 10.25% fixed interest rate on your investment. You can invest from one to five years, and you can spread your investment over those terms to best suit your needs. Your interest is calculated daily, paid out monthly, and then you can reinvest that into the investment vehicle or take it off the table as profit. All the freedom and flexibility is yours. These are great people that run a great company. They care about students. They care about America. And for more information, call 877-80-Invest, 87780, invest, or visit them online at investyrefi.com for complete details. Make sure to review the private placement memorandum and scan that QR code right there on your screen to view the disclosures at your leisure. Why Refi Investing in America's future? All right, so I have to do this because it's just too much fun. There was a mayoral debate in Los Angeles, a world away from us here on the East Coast. Jack. But Spencer Pratt is getting a lot of headlines here. And I just have to play this because I think you. I want to hear your.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, wait. This was not a debate. All right? This was a slobber knocker, as they call it. A slobber knocker?

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

As our good friend Faz would say.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah. He said Spencer Pratt is running against City Councilwoman Nith. Nithya Raman. Nithya, I think I sang it, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, sounds right.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Nithya Raman. And anyways, this great moment happened and it's going viral. So let's go ahead and play it. Sat 8.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not sure how to respond to

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

that vision of Los Angeles.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is a MAGA Republicans idea of what Los Angeles looks like.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

This is.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is really not. That's not.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Okay, dude, say that the head bob

[Charlie Kirk]

where he's like, Los Angeles, where we're, we're.

[Terrence Bates]

We're.

[Charlie Kirk]

Drugs aren't all over the street. And they're. Because they were just in MacArthur park and they. They got, you know, the raid and there were like dozens of people just selling drugs in a children's park, like out in the open.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Well, he gets into that. Check it out. SOP5 first.

[Charlie Kirk]

I will go below the Harbor Freeway tomorrow with her and we can find some of these people. She's going to Offer treatment for. She's going to get stabbed in the nec. These people do not want a bed. They want fentanyl or super meth. These ideas cost us over $400 million to house. What is it, 3,000 people for 400 million is absolute failure for both of them. They're a team.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

I mean, you had a take in the break, Jack, that you found it fascinating just to see this entrenched liberal Democrat stronghold actually have a voice that's challenging some of their orthodoxy.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's really amazing. And I remember when we were on, I guess it was last year and we were on Thoughtcrime and we did that, that video of it was like the live stream and we were talking about the debate in New York and it was Mondami and Curtis Lewa was the, was the candidate. But you just didn't see. And I said it at the time, Curtis just didn't go all the way in like this with facts, with just complete full on disrespect for what they've done to their own cities and what they were continuing to try to push. Where you listen to Spencer Pratt, he's just saying basic things. He's saying this is what's going to happen if you go for a walk in downtown Los Angeles. You're going to get killed. You're going to get literally stabbed in the neck. That's a MAGA Republican.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Really?

[Charlie Kirk]

Then why don't you go on down there? Why go on down there and see if it's MAGA Republicans that we're worried about there. In fact, I remember, I remember tweeting about this when we were talking about Charlotte on. Not to bring this up, but on like one of the last conversations I had with Charlie was when do you remember the Van Jones, right. Van Jones was saying like, oh, these, you know, it's people like Charlie Kirk are riling stuff up. And I had actually tweeted that, you know, when I'm going on public transit or anyone's going on public transit, they're not looking for. Looking out for Charlie Kirks over their shoulder.

[Mike Brest]

All right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, no, that's not what they're looking for. So it just reminds me MAGA Republicans, like, like we're the problem. No, we're the ones telling you about the problem.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

We're the ones trying to fix the problem.

[Blake]

Yes, well, it's a return to a style of we can remember. We had that period where you could elect Republicans in big cities again. That's how we got Giuliani in New York. And it's Unfortunate because we got a huge amount of urban rebirth. US cities got way better in the late 90s, early 2000s than they were in the 70s and the 80s. And they made the cities great. People could move back into them. You got gentrification and they got promptly nice enough to elect deranged Democrats again. And there's something to be said, the worm might be turning again, where we're making cities like LA bad enough that they could elect Republicans again and we might, we might save our cities yet again.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Blake, what you just outlined is something I've thought so much about. You had this urban blight through the 60s, 70s, 80s, early 90s. It got so bad, you look at the murder rates. It got so bad that you've got Mayor Richard Reardon in Los Angeles, who massively increased the police force. Gets safe, gets gentrified, investment comes in. All these, like, young upward, you know, these young college educated folks come pouring into the cities. They get really nice and then they forget what happened and then they reverse the trend. Our memories are so short and the lessons that we had to learn, and we think we're not bound by the lessons of history. The same thing, of course, famously happened with Mayor Giuliani in New York, right? You get the broken windows theory, they actually start policing, you get stop and frisk, and then they turn their back on the very policies that made those cities so successful for really a blip in time, unfortunately. And one of the underlying themes here, though, Blake, and we talked about it earlier when we were talking about the Virginia State Senator, Louisa Locke, is this idea that these entrenched communities, they want to almost allow people that don't agree with us, that shouldn't be voting to vote. This came up. Should illegals be voting or immigrants? Let me see how the moderator asked the question, but SATS 6, this is a yes or no question, an answer. So there's an LA council member, he wants voters to decide. He is saying that non citizens, should

[Charlie Kirk]

they be allowed to vote in local elections? Is this a yes or no, Mr. Pratt? No, Mayor Bass? It depends. It's not a yes or no. Depends on what? Well, first of all, when you say non citizens, it doesn't mean they're here illegal, it doesn't mean they're undocumented. They could have green cards, they could be here, perfectly legal. And there's a lot of states and cities that do that on very, very local elections. We have to see what the councilman is proposing. Councilmember Bremen. Yeah, I would say again, it does depend in other places school boards have non citizens, non citizens.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Blake, how dangerous is this?

[Blake]

I mean, well, it's, you really can see the future in the deepest blue cities of what they want to bring to America. They can't say the most basic facts about like having a functional citizenry. Should the political franchise be limited to people who are actually American? Should it be limited to people who are not criminal? Remember when they were saying felons, murderers in prison should be able to vote? We should abolish the police. It's just the suicide of a country. And Los Angeles has a choice. And we'll see what they pick in a month because and it's not good that it's going to be that close.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

We'll be right back with Steve Hilton. More on this in just a second.

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[Terrence Bates]

Tarrant's been gates here with your real America's Voice news break. We appreciate you being here with us. We're keeping an eye on the White House as President Trump is meeting with Brazil's president right now. The two are hosting bilateral talks. We are expecting that this may open up to the media, if in fact it does. We will take you there live for their remarks. In the meantime, President Trump continues to claim that Iran is ready to make a deal and end the current war with the United States and Israel. The US Central Command confirms that American fighter jets fired on an Iranian oil tanker on Wednesday as it tried to breach the US Blockade of Iranian ports. The administration maintains that the Ceasefire between the US And Iran is still holding despite that attack. Plus, President Trump saying the two month long war with Iran could end soon.

[Charlie Kirk]

Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon and they won't. And they've agreed to that, among other things.

[Terrence Bates]

The sooner a deal is reached, the sooner the global oil and natural gas shipments can actually restart there in the Strait of Hormuz and that could bring down the current sky high gas prices that we were all paying. That's a quick check of your headlines. As always, we appreciate you being here with us. Now, let's get you back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

From the campus to the car, the bullhorn to the microphone, it's the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

All right, welcome back, everybody. We are going to be joined by Steve Hilton. Do we have him ready? I know he's just logging on. Steve. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show, my friend. And congratulations on a great debate performance. You got Blake and Jack Posowic here. We got a full house here. Tell us, go ahead.

[Steve Hilton]

No, no, I'll just say great to see you guys. I'm very happy to be with you. Fantastic.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, Steve, I heard you were going to be on.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

I said I'm coming in, I'm coming in. I basically had no choice in the matter. Yes, exactly.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know the kid, the key code to the doors.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah, he does. So, Steve, tell us about your debate performance. I was posting about it like crazy the night it happened. I just, I'm still like absolutely blown away that Javier Becerra claimed that there were no missing kids after the New York Times verified it, that there's hundreds of thousands of them and this guy is surging in the polls. What is happening, Steve?

[Steve Hilton]

So the thing about him, you've got to understand is that he's like a dream come true for the corrupt, failing Democrat machine in California because he's exactly like Biden, like Kamala Harris, like all these people. Just a total career politician. He's been doing nothing. But he's 36 years now. He's just a class. He's like Biden. And so he's the perfect puppet for the machine. He has no thoughts of his own. He'll just do what he's told by the unions, by the activists. This is what they've been waiting for. They thought they would have Kamala Harris, then she decided not to run. Then they were onto this guy, Alex Padilla, who's the current US Senator, one of the two senators for California. They were really hoping for him. They thought he decided not to run. And Then there was in this terrible scramble where they had all these incredibly weak and embarrassing candidates and Swalwell was moving to the top. Then he blew up and then suddenly Becerra just started rising in the polls and you could just feel this sigh of relief from the machine. Finally we got our useless puppet candidate that we wanted all along. And so they're shoving money behind him, the unions are getting behind him, but he's exactly what we don't need. Cuz he's exactly what's driven California into the situation where we're the worst run state in America with the worst results on everything.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

So I got two polls here for you. This one is from Survey America. It's got you at the top. If you could throw this up there, guys, at 20%, Tom Steyer at 18, Chad Bianco at 12 and Becerra at 10. Right. And then I've got another one here from Impact Research Poll and it got Becerra at 23 at plus 16. It was released May 4. And he's tied with you, Steve. And then Tom Steyer at 14, Chad Bianco at 11. Do you have an approximation of which poll is more accurate based on your internals?

[Steve Hilton]

Yes, the, that Serra poll, by the way, was put up by a super PAC supporting Becerra, the one that had him leaving. But there's no doubt that he's moving up. And it seems to me what we're seeing happening, we just had a poll actually, which is that you've basically got a very clear top three emerging, which is myself usually at the top, Becerra and Tom Steyer and everyone else. There's a big gap now between the three of us and everybody else. Now, on the one hand, you could say that it's good news that I'm leading. I'm happy that I'm leading. But if we're not careful, because of this ridiculous top two primary system in California, you could eat. Because Tom Steyer, remember the billionaire climate fanatic, he's already spent $160 million on his campaign. It's by far the most expensive in the country. He's already spent that. He's got plenty more where that came from. So you could imagine him pumping up his numbers a little bit, moving up. You've got Becerra now really seriously getting the machine, the unions and all of that. And so there's a real possibility that you end up with two Democrats in the top two, Steyer and Becerra, which of course is a total disaster for the state. So it's Very important. People in California actually vote. The ballots are out. Voting has begun. And it's, you know, a poll lead like I have doesn't turn into an election win on its own. People actually have to vote. And so everyone watching and listening, California, you got to vote, and you got to vote for me to guarantee that we get a Republican in the top two.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you mentioned it on another interview I saw you doing, Steve, that there's more and more that's coming out about just how incompetent Becerra was. You guys challenged him on some of these criminal allegations about his chief of staff, where they were padding his salary. I thought it was a really important moment. I'm gonna play the clip here now and get your reaction. Sat 27.

[Steve Hilton]

My view is that it's a bit rich for Javier to talk about following the law when he is mired personally in a corruption scandal. Steve, I hope you speak as ferociously about Donald Trump's violation of the law

[Mike Brest]

every time you're sitting in the governor's

[Charlie Kirk]

office trying to protect the people of California, because the last thing we need is to have an executive who continues

[Steve Hilton]

to violate the rights of Californians and

[Charlie Kirk]

have a governor who just sits back and agrees with that executive named Donald Trump.

[Blake]

I feel like that really. That really gets it in a nutshell. Just, you guys are a disaster. You're doing terrible. Well, I hope Donald Trump. Donald Trump is bad.

[Steve Hilton]

I know.

[Blake]

Is he running for governor?

[Steve Hilton]

What is Trump? I mean, it's unbelievable. It's very funny in these debates, literally, it's all they have, because the record is indefensible. Literally. Highest poverty rate in the country, highest unemployment rate in the country, highest cost of living. By far worse than all these measures that matter, they have nothing new to offer. None of them is offering any kind of change. And so literally all they have is Trump. But I just. And that's what you hear from Trump. Trump, Trump. Maga. MAGA makes. It's hilarious. But just to be really clear about what Becerra did here, I think this is very serious, and it could get worse for him. When he was hired by Biden as his health secretary, he wanted to take his chief of staff, a guy called Sean McCluskey, with him to Washington. The salary paid by the federal government wasn't enough for him. He wanted more money, but the federal salary is what it is. So what they did was take money from Javier Becerra's California state campaign account. They created a payment of $10,000 a month to this consulting firm, one of these lobbying firms in Sacramento, who then passed the money straight on, 10,000 straight out the bank account to this guy's wife, Sean McCloskey's wife, the chief of staff's wife. Clearly, payment to him, that breaks two. That's a violation of state campaign finance law because that money was only supposed to be used for Javier Becerra's campaigns. It's also a violation of federal employment law because as a federal government employee, you can't have sources of income from anything other than the federal government. It's a strict ethics rule. So he's in real trouble here. That whole case is already the subject of a federal criminal indictment for the people in the middle of it. But Becerra is absolutely vulnerable on this because it's his chief of staff. And the idea that he didn't know about this or didn't sign off on it, which is what he's claiming, I just think is ridiculous. This has got much further to go, and you could very well see Becerra himself prosecuted for his role in this.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Well, I'm just gonna say it. I think Becerra and Alejandro Mayorkas deserve to be prosecuted for what they did. The crimes against humanity, the treasonous way that the border was dealt with, the migrant children were dealt with. I find it all so despicable. And the fact that we're not actively criminally prosecuting both of these men. I agree with that at this point, and one is now, apparently the leading Democrat candidate for governor is just. The irony is too rich to really put into words. But that's.

[Steve Hilton]

Can I just give you another.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Yeah.

[Steve Hilton]

Can I just give you one other thing? This is a story that we uncovered and published yesterday through caldoge, part of my campaign, California Department of Government Efficiency. We've been publishing a number of fraud reports this year. The one yesterday directly involving Becerra on April 13 this year. This organization, which became notorious during the LA Anti ice riots last year, Chirla, C H I R L A Chirla. They are an organization, immigrant rights organization. They do legal defense for some of the worst criminals that are being deported, amongst other things. It's an entirely, nearly entirely taxpayer, funded by 80% of its budget, comes from California taxpayers. This is what's been happening. On April 13, they endorsed Javier Becerra, said they'd be working hard to get him elected. We found documents from within Chirla that lay out their political operation and how they support candidates. And on one of these documents, it explicitly says that they use paid canvases to do political campaigning, including undocumented, in their words. Undocumented. In other words, you have California taxpayers funding illegal immigrants to campaign for Javier Becerra. Again, total violation of the law. And so this just shows you the corruption of this machine in California.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Well, I mean, it's really despicable. And we're grateful that you're fighting the fight. You know, we have, you know, obviously a nationwide audience here, Steve, but our largest audience per share, especially on our podcast, is California. So I hope that everybody heeds your words and gets out to vote in this jungle primary. Get Steve Hilton across the top two finish lines so that he can run in the general here. I'm going to. We got another segment with you, Steve, but I want to take it, take us away here with a great moment for you. I felt in the debate. Sock 28, Mr. Hilton, right now, President

[Charlie Kirk]

Trump is enacting a policy of mass deportation. As you know, roughly half of California, California farm workers, which are an essential

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

part of this state's economy, are undocumented.

[Charlie Kirk]

As governor, would you push to deport them?

[Steve Hilton]

So I'm the only immigrant on stage. I'm a legal immigrant. And Americans support immigration when it is properly controlled. And what we saw under the Biden administration, open borders, undermined everybody's support for immigration. And as governor, I've made it very clear. Although it is the federal government's responsibility to determine and implement immigration policy, I think it's important that all the laws are peacefully enforced. And as governor, I would make sure that we work with the federal government to enforce our law.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

I mean, I'd go full immigration moratorium, but that's just me. Steve, you gotta do you in California. I get it. Stay right there. Steve Hilton. We'll take one more segment with you. And we're gonna get into this Palisades fire too, which is obviously a big conversation down in Los Angeles. I wanna tell you about StrongCell, strongcell.com, they are the best. These are amazing patriots that have built a great company with a great product. It's a breakthrough product, nadh. You need it in your cells. It powers the mitochondria in your cells which power your cells. So if you're dealing with brain fog, chronic fatigue, chronic illness, a whole host of ills and maladies, strongcel could be the breakthrough that you're looking for. So go to strongcell.com right now. Use promo code Charlie for 20% off and a 90 day risk free money back guarantee. Why that 90 day risk free money back guarantee? Is important. You'll only need to try it for four to six weeks to see if it's going to work for you. So give it a try. Strong sell.com promo code. Charlie, we'll be right back. All right, welcome back. I'm going to tell you guys about adf. Adf, new to the show Alliance Defending Freedom. We love these guys. They've helped us a lot over the years with Turning Point and free speech cases. They've scored huge legal victories like helping topple Roe v. Wade, securing a landmark free speech win at the Supreme Court just a few weeks ago on behalf of a Christian counselor. They're fighting some of our culture's most pressing issues, from the protection of women's sports to defending unborn lives. ADF relies on your generous support to keep going. So people like you make ADF possible. They are amazing legal minds, lawyers all across the country and they're doing tremendous work for a limited time. Every dollar you give to ADF will be matched. That's right. That means 25 becomes 50, 50 becomes 100, etc. Only while the matching funds last. So do more with your money. Go to joinadf.com charlie that's joinadf.com charlie or text charlie283848 that's charlie283848 to have your gift at 2adf doubled. That's joinadf.com Charlie or text charlie to 83848 to double your impact for freedom. All right, Steve, we have breaking news on the Palisades fire. The guy who did it, Jonathan Kinderknecht, turns out he's a Luigi Mangioni obsessed fan and he's a far leftist that just basically ruined hundreds of thousands of people's lives. And Spencer Pratt is one of them who's running for mayor. He had his debate last night. What is your just assessment, your reaction to finding out this news about Jonathan Kindrednecht?

[Steve Hilton]

Well, it's just so infuriating because as with so many other things in California, it shows you that these disasters and the massive costs. This is the most expensive disaster in California history. Totally avoidable. Totally avoidable. And the specific on this fire, everyone needs to remember, which is that it was started on purpose and it was not. It was then it was called the Lockman fire and it was a week before the Palisades fire and then it was put out but not fully. And the reason, and we now know this from internal documents from the fire department, was that they were specifically asking and wanting to bulldoze the area where the fire had been extinguished in order to make sure it's properly extinguished. But then they didn't do that because there was a endangered plant that they were supposed to protect, and they didn't want to bulldoze the area that left this fire smoldering, which reignited and created the Palisades fire. So it's just outrageous. And so the point which is most of the fires in Southern California, there's a very big difference between the kind of wildfires you get in Southern California and the ones that you get in the Sierra Nevada and the big forests in the northern parts of the state. In Southern California, most of the fires are started by humans, either by arsonists or by homeless encampments. So they're totally avoidable. And one of the things I think we need is a classic example. Arson is a really big cause of fires. Is there any deterrent? Is there any real effort by law enforcement, by the politicians to really clamp down it, think about the damage that it does, and yet it's never really discussed by the politicians as something we need to really fight against. Classic California. We've got to be much tougher on this stuff.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Steve, isn't there a story right now at the 110 Freeway? There's a fire that's been smoldering from a homeless encampment there that's going to exactly shut down a major thoroughfare in the city.

[Steve Hilton]

Yes, exactly. That's exactly right. I'm in LA right now, and it's just. But it happens all the time. And you go to some parts of the city and it's just. It's. I mean, it's hard to describe. I did put out a video a couple of weeks ago about one of the things we saw. We just went there, actually. It was to do a caldoge press conference on fraud because one of the organizations was there just like randomly. This is not skid row. This is not a famous part of the dystopian scene in Los Angeles. It's as if it was a set for a movie capturing some dystopian future, some horrific scene. And that's just block after block of total chaos. And you know, that one time I was there walking through, there was a porter potty that was clearly being used as the. The main sort of toilet there just suddenly burst into flames while I was there. Just the chaos and lawlessness in America's second city. We're about to host the Olympics. It is just so totally unacceptable. That's why Spencer is doing really well. And getting a lot of buzz and energy and attention in la. He was completely dismissed, but he's getting all the energy because people are sick of it in LA in particular, especially Democrats. So not just Republicans, you have Democrats who are saying, yeah, whatever, but we can't go on like this. I'm not a Republican, but we need a change.

[Blake]

Well, and there's another story that I've been recently reading about that I think really also captures the profound decay along with arson, along with the homelessness. There's metal theft. So you need copper wiring. Scrap metal is used in every city. They're doing this. And la, recently, they disbanded their metal theft tax task force at the lapd. They got rid of it. And what's going on is you have. Criminals are stripping copper wiring from streetlights, they're stripping it from major bridges. And this is a really destructive crime because they'll get $10, you know, if they get $100 of scrap metal, it costs 10,000 or $50,000 to replace it, and then they can still go steal it again. And it's known how we could stop these things. You just have to. You have to make really severe penalties. You can use cameras, you can do stuff to keep this from happening. And instead they're getting rid of the units. They're just, they're refusing to maintain civilization. And so, yeah, when the Olympics show up, when the World cup shows up, the lights will not be on. They literally can't keep them on because they're stealing the wires. It's something out of South Africa, 100%.

[Steve Hilton]

And it's total collapse of civilization. It's exactly the right term. And they won't do. They won't clamp down on it. Another one, catalytic converters, Massive spree of thefts from cars. And funnily enough, Nitya Rahman, the third person running for mayor, who's even more to the left of Karen Bass, as she's a member of the LA City Council. When the catalytic converter thefts really started accelerating a couple of years ago, she starts blaming the car companies for not making them more secure. And then you look at the street lights. There's another reason they're not fixing the streetlights, because they passed this law about what they call street diets, where if you try and fix, if you try and upgrade or improve or do anything to street, you are now required to convert it. And you make the streets narrower to slow down traffic, put speed bumps in there, all this stuff, because they hate cars, they hate people driving, put in bike lanes so their own law that they put in to make street diets mandatory is now stopping them from fixing the street lights. It's just so crazy.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

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[Blake]

We'll see you tomorrow.

[Host (Charlie Kirk Show)]

Here we go.