MAHA GOES FROM SLOGAN TO POLICY | WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, MAY 4TH, 2026 (EP# 5347)

Summary

Podcast Summary — Real America's Voice: "MAHA GOES FROM SLOGAN TO POLICY | WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON" (Ep. 5347, May 4, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "War Room" (hosted by Natalie Winters, with Stephen K. Bannon, Sam Faddis, and guests) explores the transformation of mental health policy from advocacy into concrete government action, with a major segment devoted to the MAHA Institute Summit and the appointment of RFK Jr. as Secretary of Health and Human Services. The discussion then pivots to urgent political topics: non-citizen voting proposals in Los Angeles, the surge of public benefits fraud, and the United States' war posture in the Persian Gulf—specifically, strategy concerning Iran and Chinese involvement. Through interviews and panel discussion, the episode critiques current U.S. policy directions, the impact of migration, the role of media in information warfare, and the growing global threat landscape.

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Main Segments & Key Points

1. MAHA Institute Summit—Over-Medicalization of Mental Health (01:12–08:29)

• Summary: Natalie Winters interviews Mark Gordon, President of the MAHA Institute, recapping a major summit addressing the over-prescription of psychotropic medications in America, especially among children.
• Key Insights:
  • Scale of the Problem: Over 4 million U.S. children and 60 million adults are prescribed psych meds, often for routine issues like trouble sitting still or normal adolescent struggles.
  • Medical System Critique: The system, "captured" by Big Pharma, acts "pathologically," overprescribing and failing to provide tapering plans or transparency about side effects.
  • Policy Response:
    • New federal standards are being rolled out—training doctors to deprescribe, requiring formal informed consent (with special focus on veterans), and reassessing when medication is truly necessary.
    • RFK Jr., as HHS Secretary, is spearheading these reforms.
  • Quote — Mark Gordon [02:43]:
    "The corporatized US Health system has run out of control and has allowed itself to be captured by Big Pharma... Tens of millions [are] hooked on these drugs... and the medical system has never given them a way [off]."
  • Quote — Mark Gordon [06:12]: "Proper informed consent from patients... means telling patients about some of the potentially horrible side effects that have been hidden and not disclosed up until now."

Resources

• Summit recordings and further info: MAHA Institute website and X account. [08:08]

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2. Non-Citizen Voting Debate — Los Angeles & Immigration (08:43–15:21)

• Summary: The panel dissects a new L.A. City Council proposal to grant non-citizen residents the right to vote in local elections, and broadens the conversation to American sovereignty, the burdens of mass migration, and what’s described as systematic public benefits abuse.
• Key Insights:
  • Non-citizen Voting Push: LA councilman Hugo Soto Martinez pitches the measure, citing long-term residency and tax contributions of non-citizens.
  • Critics' Perspective: Opponents (via Natalie Winters and Stephen Bannon) dismiss the proposal as antithetical to the Constitution and American nationhood.
  • Quote — Stephen K. Bannon [10:09]:
    "The preamble to the Constitution says we the people of the United States, not we the taxpayers... That is the basic foundation of our republic."
  • Benefits Burden: Winters rails against the “racket” of public benefits—alleging Medicaid and social service fraud primarily by recent immigrants or ethnic diasporas, citing billions in home healthcare scams and ongoing taxpayer costs.
  • Memorable Rant — Natalie Winters [12:24–15:21]:
    "You have to subsidize their health care, their education, their transportation... and also one of their cousins, you know, learning leering centers or their home care scam racket operation..."
  • Notable Context: Winters' comments link voter eligibility, identity, economic burden, and the meaning of citizenship, with a tone of fierce opposition to expanding rights for non-citizens.

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3. Domestic Fraud & Social Cohesion (15:29–21:46)

• Summary: Highlights major investigative reporting on Medicaid/home health care fraud across ethnic enclaves, positing that mass migration erodes the social trust necessary for functioning civic institutions.
• Key Insights:
  • Data on Fraud: Lists specific organizations and payouts (e.g., “AU Home Health Care Silo Mansari—$12 million in Medicaid”).
  • Macro-Theme: Exploitation of "the goodness, the trusting nature of the American heart, of civic society."
  • Quote — Natalie Winters [20:29]:
    "This country is becoming a low trust society. Birds of a different feather, but they certainly do flock together..."
  • Broader Implication: Ties together immigration, welfare abuse, and even national security concerns as symptoms of weakened societal cohesion.

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4. The Iran Conflict and Global Security (22:55–43:16)

a. U.S. Strategy & Gulf Crisis (22:55–29:44)

• Guests: Sam Faddis (ex-CIA, analyst), Unnamed Diplomat/Analyst, Trevor Comstock
• Key Points:
  • U.S. blockaded the Strait of Hormuz as leverage against Iran, which responded with renewed attacks on Gulf shipping and territory.
  • Iran’s recent diplomatic proposal, via Pakistan, constitutes (per Faddis) an impossible “surrender document” for the U.S.: total troop withdrawal, reparations, end to sanctions, and return of frozen assets.
  • Quote — Sam Faddis [24:53]:
    "It is asking us to capitulate completely and surrender and leave the Middle East. So that's clearly a non-starter."
  • The situation is dangerously volatile; U.S. naval strategy is risky due to tactical disadvantages (e.g., vulnerability of slow-moving tankers).

b. Information Warfare & Media Narratives (31:12–34:56)

• Key Focus: Iran and its allies weaponize misinformation at unprecedented scale, creating vivid fake content, including staged attacks on U.S. warships, to manipulate perception and morale.
  • Quote — Sam Faddis [31:46]:
    "Completely fictitious stories, complete with video... are put out and it turns out it's complete nonsense... a lot of it is being done by the Iranians and other hostile actors."

c. China’s Role in the Conflict (34:56–38:16)

• Key Points:
  • Chinese ships caught smuggling military precursors to Iran; since the sea blockade, Chinese exports now reach Iran overland via Pakistan, directly aiding Iranian attacks on U.S. forces.
  • Faddis calls for harsh sanctions—“not customs duties”—and questions visiting China for diplomatic talks under such circumstances.
  • Quote — Sam Faddis [34:56]:
    "The Chinese are deliberately assisting the Iranians in attempting to kill American soldiers... I don't know how much more belligerent you can get."
  • Strategic advice: cut overland supply routes, escalate pressure, and avoid legitimizing adversaries via high-level visits.

d. Strategic Endgame & Presidential Policy (41:28–43:16)

• Sam Faddis’ Closing Advice:
  • Must “methodically throttle” Iran by closing all land routes, seizing assets, and escalating pressure to compel surrender.
  • Warns that losing to Iran would be a “catastrophic” blow to U.S. strength and prestige.
  • Quote — Sam Faddis [42:00]:
    "You can't lose this war to the Iranians and not suffer catastrophic consequences. So we have to force them to accept what amount to terms of surrender… And we got to stop waiting for them to surrender. We have to make them surrender."
  • Follow Sam Faddis: AND Magazine on Substack, @RealSamFaddis on X.

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5. Closing Product Spots & Thank Yous (43:44–48:53)

(Minimal editorial coverage; product promotions and audience appreciation.)

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Notable Quotes

• Mark Gordon on pharma’s influence [02:43]:
  "The corporatized US Health system has run out of control and has allowed itself to be captured by Big Pharma and is now acting pathologically overprescribing psych meds to kids."

• Stephen K. Bannon on citizenship [10:09]:
  "The preamble to the Constitution says we the people of the United States, not we the taxpayers... That is the basic foundation of our republic."

• Natalie Winters on public benefits [15:21]:
  "I'm so glad the Somalian dude is paying, you know, whatever percent in taxes off of the millions of dollars that he's receiving from the federal government. I don't really think that's a sustainable business model or economic growth or really the social contract that any of us signed up for."

• Sam Faddis on Iran’s demands [24:53]:
  "It is asking us to capitulate completely and surrender and leave the Middle East. So that's clearly a non starter..."

• Sam Faddis on China’s role [34:56]:
  "The Chinese are deliberately assisting the Iranians in attempting to kill American soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines."

• Sam Faddis on endgame [42:00]:
  "You have to methodically throttle this regime. And they will quit when they decide they are beaten, not when we decide. We got to stop waiting for them to surrender. We have to make them surrender."

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• MAHA Institute Summit Recap & Policy Shift: 01:12–08:29
• L.A. Non-Citizen Voting Debate & Migration Rant: 08:43–15:21
• Medicaid Fraud & Decline of Social Trust: 15:29–21:46
• Iran Crisis—U.S. Strategy and Escalation: 22:55–29:44
• Gulf/Shipping: Military Analysis: 29:44–31:12
• Information Warfare Focus: 31:12–34:56
• Chinese Involvement: 34:56–38:16
• Negotiation Tactics & Policy Recommendations: 38:16–43:16
• Product Endorsements/Closing: 43:44–end

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Tone & Language

The episode is combative and provocative, mixing policy analysis, investigative critique, and political advocacy with personal anecdotes and impassioned monologues—remaining sharply critical of current U.S. institutions and global adversaries. Speakers frequently use martial metaphors and vivid language to convey urgency and the perceived existential stakes of the moment.

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This summary covers all substantive content and key arguments, providing an in-depth, accessible guide for listeners and readers alike.

Transcript

[Natalie Winters]

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[Mark Gordon]

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[Natalie Winters]

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[Rob Hayes]

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[Natalie Winters]

I got a free shot at all

[Mark Gordon]

these networks lying about the people.

[Natalie Winters]

The people have had a belly full of it.

[Mark Gordon]

I know you don't like hearing that.

[Rob Hayes]

I know you try to do everything

[Sam Faddis]

in the world to stop that, but

[Natalie Winters]

you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Natalie Winters]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Natalie Winters]

You're in the War room. It's Monday, May 4th in the year of our Lord 2026. It's Natalie Winters hosting live from Washington D.C. been a while since I've been here. I always get PTSD from when Steve was in prison, but much better in brighter times. Case in point, RK Jr. Is HHS Secretary. I'm sure a lot of you guys are watching that event. We've been live streaming here, focusing on the mental health epidemic and the mistreatment, misuse of some pretty wild drugs if you ask me. I know they have been talking a lot about that all day here in dc. We are honored to be joined by the president of MAHA Institute, that is Mark Gordon joining us to sort of break down first and foremost what happened at this event, but also the implications for our audience and how you think the Trump administration can turn what you guys have been discussing day into much needed policy change. Do we have Mark?

[Mark Gordon]

Oh, yes. Yes. Hi.

[Unnamed Diplomat/Analyst]

Hi.

[Mark Gordon]

Oh, is there, is there a question? I'm sorry.

[Mike Lindell]

Yes.

[Natalie Winters]

Sorry. I think we might be having technical difficulties. If you can just tell our audience a little bit about the event you guys have been running today, what RFK Jr. Said and what you guys are looking to sort of translate into actual actionable policies from the administration.

[Mark Gordon]

Yes. So the MAHA Institute held a summit today on the over medicalization of mental health in the U.S. i mean, this is an epic. There's an epidemic of over prescribing of psych meds that is larger in number than the opioid epidemic. And it's a similar phenomena where the corporatized US Health system has run out of control and has allowed itself to be captured by Big Pharma and is now acting pathologically over prescribing psych meds to kids. We have 4 million children in this country on psych meds, some of them as young as five years old. We heard today from a number of people who've had their lives ruined by this overprescription of meds. And it's really devastating some of these stories and the numbers are really just out of control. You're talking about 60 million Americans on psych meds, many of them for just very normal conditions. You have kids who are being over prescribed for not being able to sit still in class or the normal struggles of being a teenager. And our medical system has done this and has gotten tens of millions Americans hooked on these drugs and they've never given them a safe way to get off. So you have now tens of millions of people who are stuck on these drugs for many cases, years based off of prescriptions that were maybe intended to last weeks or something like that. And the medical system has never given them a way. The doctors don't know how, haven't been taught how to deprescribe to taper people off of these drugs. Secretary Kennedy came here today and said that all of that is changing, that the government is now rolling out standards to allow people to taper off of drugs. They're going to be training doctors on how to do it. They're going to be reorienting our health system towards getting people off of these medications and not just getting them on it. And we had a number of people from a number of different health agencies here talking about the role that all the various different government agencies are playing. We've had independent doctors and experts from around the world talking about some of the practices and what we need to do to change our broken system.

[Natalie Winters]

It's totally a racket. I'm curious, when you talk about this over prescription, are you trying to address, you know, the people actually getting on them or the full spectrum of it, the inability to sort of get off it without experiencing, you know, withdrawal symptoms, a myriad of symptoms? Is this sort of, you know, from trying to decrease the initial number of people on it, but also make it easier to get off? Is this really a full spectrum policy change?

[Mark Gordon]

Yes, it's really, it's, it's, it's everything. So I mean, a lot of people are put on these meds without proper consent. There's been a lot of talk about having, you know, proper informed consent from patients, which means telling patients about some of the potentially horrible side effects that have been hidden and not disclosed up until now. The Veterans Administration is talking about requiring written sign consent because currently 70% of veterans who are treated by the VA end up on a psych med at some point, many of them not being properly informed about that. There's also, you know, with, there's lots of talk about, you know, everything from, you know, nutrition to sleep to exercise to, you know, dealing with the underlying problems. Some people have, you know, depression for very good rational reasons and not just jumping to medicate them. So really the whole, the idea is that the whole medical system is going to really look at this again and really look at itself in the mirror and say, you know, we've, we've done another opioid epidemic and we need to get off of this and we need to make sure that these medications are only used in the narrow cases where they were actually be benefit as opposed to being sprayed widely as they are now.

[Natalie Winters]

Mark, I think you've got a bounce. I'm sure the audience would love to hear more and I want you to give them the tools to do that. If people want to rewatch or watch the summit you guys just had get in contact with you, your organization, what you guys are doing on this pillar, a very important one. But also I know there's a whole spectrum. Where can they go to get informed and stay up to date.

[Mark Gordon]

So there's the Maha Institute website and also the Maha Institute X account. Both of them have the live stream from today and have lots of other information about the work that we are doing.

[Natalie Winters]

Mark, thank you so much for joining us. We'll have to have you back on soon.

[Mark Gordon]

Okay, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you, Denver. Let's trigger the audience a bit. We're talking about mental health. I'm going to probably send your mental health into a spiral. Let's roll the clip.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

There's a new proposal to allow non citizens to vote in local elections. The idea is being pitched by an LA city councilman.

[Natalie Winters]

Eyewitness News reporter Rob Hayes spoke to that councilmember and people who opposed the plan. Rob?

[Rob Hayes]

Yeah, Ugo Soto Martinez is hoping the upcoming November election could, could bring LA closer to letting non citizens vote. It would only be in LA city elections and he says it would most likely be years down the road if the council moves it forward. But the mere mention of it is drawing strong criticism as the Trump administration rages about an unproven wave of illegal voters. One LA city council member is hoping to make more potential voters legal.

[Hugo Soto Martinez]

Good morning everyone. Buenos dias.

[Rob Hayes]

District 13 Councilman Hugo Sotez Martinez wants non citizen residents of Los Angeles to be able to vote in citywide elections.

[Hugo Soto Martinez]

We have folks living in this country who've been here 20 years, they've started a family, they pay their taxes, many of them are homeowners. But they don't have a say over the policies that affect their children and their families on any given day. I know other cities have done it for local elections, but I want to see where the appetite is for this council.

[Rob Hayes]

That appetite leaving a bad taste in some mouths.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It just strikes people as fundamentally wrong.

[Rob Hayes]

Ira Melman is with the Federation for American Immigration Reform. Fair. He says voting is a privilege and a right for citizens and that non citizen voting would go against what the founding fathers wanted.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The preamble to the Constitution says we the people of the United States, not we the taxpayers of the United States, not we the people who just happen to show up here in this country whether it's legally or illegally. That there are certain criteria and, and that is the basic foundation of our republic.

[Natalie Winters]

Are we even a sovereign country anymore? Is my question after watching that. I mean, I don't know. I've been to Mexico. I mean tourists probably contribute more to the GDP of that country than native born citizens. Do I get to vote in their elections? I don't think so. Although I guess we can't totally blame Democrats that much because while we're at it, we also got our cohort of horrible, nasty, nasty rhinos up here. Maria Salah gets to be the leading one of that pack pushing the, you know, I'm supposed to say dignidad. I think I'm supposed to do it in their native language. But I guess we'll call it the Dignity act here in the war room. No. Full stop. As Steve would say. No. Here's the issue, right? Usually we're told that we have to accept illegal aliens in droves into this country because it's a bargain, right? For the economy. That's the word. They love to spin it as well. Sure it's a bargain for the employers because you, the tax paying, loyal, patriotic American citizen, you have to subsidize their health care, their education, their transportation and I think as we're learning, as each day goes by, also I don't know, one of their cousins, you know, learning leering centers or their home care scam racket operation, as we're just learning today, I think over like $100 billion being spent. So I guess refugees from some country in some war can hang out with their relatives at home and your tax dollars can subsidize that. But now we're going to pile on to all the things you have to subsidize. It's not just that you got to watch your kid's job or place in college get taken by some ungrateful immigrant, legal or illegal. But now they're also going to get to vote. And it's pretty absurd. I mean, what was it? This is only happening during the messaging on the SAVE Act. I was told we crazy because we said illegal aliens want to vote or try to vote. And that's why we can't have something as simple as an act saying, well, no foreigners, illegal aliens, you can't vote in American elections. Well, these people will probably write in the dictators of the crappy third world countries that they're fleeing if they, if they could. I don't know if they speak English enough to understand how the ballots work, but the issue with this too is that dhs, under the newfound leadership of Mark Wayne Mullen, who I think could only be described as milquetoast, their social media account, doesn't give me much courage that they're doing anything to change this. I want to read it. You guys can put it up if you have it, but under Trump and Secretary Mullen, criminal legal aliens are not welcome in the US this week, the nice men and women of ICE put their lives on the line to arrest murderers, pedophiles, arsonists and sex criminals, including. And then they go on to show a thread of some criminals. The issue is that I want so many people being deported that you can't even put out a tweet thread where you can show their individual faces or pictures of them because you'd be putting out thousands a day. And I also don't want deportations a to be limited to just a couple hundred thousand people a year. It's giving Biden and it's giving Obama. But more importantly, I don't want to just deport the worst of the worst. We can't even get illegal aliens who are destroying the fabric of this country out of here. Meanwhile, Democrats, amidst a messaging cycle where they're trying to convince us that illegal aliens do not vote, which is why we can't have something as simple as the Save America act, are out there trying to legalize and codify more illegal aliens for being allowed to vote and their flimsy logic is because they pay taxes. That's how much they hate you, because they pay taxes. Well, they don't tell you about all the free services and the Social Security scams that they're in. Yeah, I'm so glad the like Somalian dude is paying you know, whatever percent in taxes off of the millions of dollars that he's receiving from the federal government. I don't really think that's a sustainable business model or economic growth or really the social contract that any of us signed up for here. We're going to dig in more to the latest fraud. Maybe I'll read some names of the alleged health care and home care workers that are receiving millions of dollars to hang out with their relatives at home. But we're only going after the criminals. Well, I would broaden the definition of what it means to be a criminal and we'll get into that right after this short break.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Natalie Winters]

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Welcome back to the war room where I used to get to freestyle the Birch gold reads. But then I was put in the doghouse. Now I have to read the the ads from the script. It's all good. But picking up where we left off, there's some very interesting we'll call them mask off moments from the New York Times. I wonder if you guys can put the first picture up. I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna struggle a bit with the Pronunciation. But that's okay. Wafa Alhaj Ali, her husband and six children are among them. Since fleeing Syria as refugees in August 2023, the family had received about $850 a month in benefits. Now, with no food assistance at all, Ms. Ali said in Arabic, buried lead. I have to beg charities for bread. If I could go back to Syria, I would, because it's getting too much. She said, how am I going to feed my kids? Get a job. Tell your husband to get a job. Stop. I don't know. Taking the American taxpayer for granted and thinking that we're here not just to bring you in from your war torn country, but also give you the life that most people can barely afford to give their own children and grandchildren. I mean, where do these people get off? I mean, I know the cultures they come from are different than ours, but the sense of entitlement, I mean, let's add to it. And by the way, this article was supposed to be an attack on the Trump administration for reforming SNAP benefits. I'm very okay taking this Syrian refugee who would rather live in Syria than the United States. Perhaps we could make that a done deal for her. Fine by me. But the next one's even more ridiculous. It's not really even a Freudian slip, because I don't even think they have the tacit admission that what they're saying, or recognition rather, that what they're saying is actually absurd. This is, quote, this is in an article about the crazy radicalism of deporting illegal aliens. It only, I don't know, won the largest, I think, popular vote in recent history. But other than that, the New York Times begs to differ. Quote, children of Republican parents have intimidated our kids. Ms. Valencia said in Spanish, interesting theme there. Quote, they showed up to school with, and I'll give you a second to guess how this sentence ends. American flags. If American flags are such an intimidation tactic and tool that you think is going to be used to, I don't know, make you scared to live in this country, then, yeah, you probably should get out. And honestly, I'm not super into the rebrand of ICE becoming nice, because I don't think these people are nice. I don't think these people are treating this country or its citizens or its taxpayers in a very nice way. I don't think they're treating the legacy or the founding of this country in a very nice way. And frankly, I don't think they're treating the legal immigrants who came here the right way and worked really hard the right way either. So I'm okay if ICE is a little bit meaner. And like I was saying, we have new reporting coming from the Daily Wire. Luke Raciak, who does great work, has been, I think, in and around Ohio showing nearly a billion dollars a year being spent on what is nebulously described as home health care. But when you follow the money, which they always like to play the shell game where they make it hard so you can't really understand or trace the money. But this was available, I think, either through DOGE data or FOIA information, found that a lot of it, like I was saying, to the tune of billions of dollars, was going to maybe not the Somalian community, but some other version of an ethnic diaspora. For example, we'll make some people famous here in the war room. AU Home Health Care Silo Mansari is getting $12 million in Medicaid for services that we don't know. This is a good one. Lee Bond, Mohammed for L A Home Health Care, 8.2 million. Midwest Home Health Care run by Mohammed Hussein, 8.2 million. Union First Care Inc. By Abdul Sesay, 5.8 million. And Abdallah Kitwara for Vision One spelled wrong inc. $5.5 million in Medicaid. With the scam being that they literally can just say one of their relatives is sick and they are providing home care to them and the government will reimburse them. I think this is quite emblematic of the deeper problem that we have in America. And immigration is first and foremost responsible for it, which is this country is becoming a low trust society. And I think that the best way you can sum this up. Birds of a different feather, but they certainly do flock together, was a line in the manifesto of the White House correspondent's dinner shooter, allegedly Cole Allen, when he said, quote, I walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person there considers the possibility that I could be a threat. Now, we're gonna get to Sam Faddis in a sec. Otherwise, if we didn't have any guests, I'd play the clip of President Trump reading the snake poem. Maybe they should do daily recitations of that at ICE Headquart. But there's something, I think, quite symbolic of that, right? People who want to do harm to this country, whether by trying to assassinate the president, come here, migrate here, because, oh, they love America during the refugee admission process. But then all of a sudden they want to go back to their country of origin because they're not getting enough free stuff. It's exploiting the system. It's exploiting the goodness, the trusting nature of the American heart, of civic society, of your community for selfish gain and very distorted versions, perverted versions of what selfish gain may be. And I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sick of it. I would like to go a day without hearing about a new fraudulent scam that one of my tax dollars has been sent to. We already got the Ukraine war. Anyways, that's enough of Natalie Ranting for the day. I want to bring on Sam Faddis who is going to break down the other news of the day. Maybe not so much in the foreign scam, although probably a little bit lame, but that is everything that's going on in Iran, the Straits for Moose, everything. Can you sort of just give us, you have some great reporting up on Substack, some great analysis. I always ask you to start your sort of bird's eye view of where we stand now what you think the administration is, is doing to sort of shepherd the course of everything going on there.

[Trevor Comstock]

Right?

[Sam Faddis]

Well, look, I think we, you know, the key thing that we have done recently is shift our strategy by blockading the Straits of Hormuz, which I think is, was a brilliant step, a major step in the right direction because this war ultimately is becoming, has been from the beginning really about leverage over the world economy. So that, that was a great move. There's a lot of folks who believe that that is going to force the Iranians to the table. They will effectively surrender. They will admit they've lost this war. I've been very skeptical about that all along. I don't, I think we're going to have to apply a lot more pressure. So where are we right now? You know, we're coming to the end, I guess we're coming to the end of the ceasefire. Although there's verbiage about that. That kind of fuzzes the issue periodically. The Iranians have started shooting at the uae, the United Arab Emirates again. They have attacked vessels in the Persian Gulf again. We sank a bunch of small boats that they're now using to attack. So things are heating, heating up. The Iranians apparently delivered to us via the Pakistanis a couple of days ago. Now their latest apparent what's supposed to be a 14 point plan for how to end this conflict. The exact text of that I have not seen publicly. But a number of sources, including Iranian state media have told us the big picture, the big things that are in it. And it amounts in my opinion to another surrender document. Meaning they want us to surrender. Doesn't say anything at all about the nuclear program, doesn't promise to do anything in that regard, tells us we have to pull all up, not only stop shooting at them, we have to promise never to shoot at them again. We have to pull all of our military out of the entire Middle east from anywhere near them. We have to pay reparations to them not just for the damage that we caused bombing but for all the damage we ever caused caused by sanctions. What am I forgetting? We got to give them back all of their money that's being held in bank accounts around the world. We have to lift all sanctions of any kind against them so they can buy anything they want. I mean it really is, it is asking us to capitulate completely and surrender and leave the Middle East. So that's clearly a non starter and I think you can infer from that that a country that's delivering those kinds of terms is not really on the verge of surrendering. And the bottom line is they don't think they're losing the war.

[Natalie Winters]

Sam, if you can hang with us through the break. I want to talk about the information warfare landscape, legacy media of course curing water for anything that's anti American. But there this seems to be a level above everything that's we that we've seen gone on go on in Ukraine. Hang with us through the break. We got one more message from Birch Gold when there are supply chain constraints on commodities prices surge you saw with fuel prices when the Strait of Hormuz was blockaded. If you've been thinking about it for years but still have never moved some of your savings into physical gold. Birch Gold Group is who I trust to help you. Through May 29th Birch Gold is giving a first time gold buyers rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. For details and a free information kit text ban into 989-898. Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA and physical gold tax ban into 989-898 to see if you qualify for a first time gold buyer rebate of up to $10,000 again tax band into 989-8-9898 today. We will be right back after the short break. More Sam Batt is breaking down the information warfare going on in Iran. Why they started getting aggressive again in the straight

[Unnamed Diplomat/Analyst]

well I think this has come off the back of President Trump's plan to escape score some of these vessels using US Navy vessels out of the Strait of Hormuz to some form of safety. I think also the fact that the US Blockade very much remains in the Strait of Hormuz. And I think what Iran feel is that by the US Carrying out the blockade and carrying out these escorts is a break of the cease fire in itself. And so what they believe is that, well, if the US has broken the cease fire in that sense, then we will target the uae. But specifically targeting UAE vessels and then UAE territory is a big step by the Iranians and it will not be taken lightly, not least by the uae, but of course the US And Israel as well. Specifically on the talks and why it seems to be a breakdown. Look, I think there's two sides to this. Yes, it was positive that these discussions were taking place and that Iran had put forward a 14 point proposal and that the US responded and Iran are reviewing that response. But those 14 points were pretty unrealistic and I think the president would see them as totally unacceptable. And also if Iran is not talking about its nuclear program within a framework to have negotiations and the US Will feel that there's no point essentially to have those discussions. So it was probably Iran going to the president, well, look, you need a deal more than we do. We're not going to capitulate to any of your demands. So the ball is in your courts and here's the price that you have to pay. Here's our deal that on our demands that you must follow in order to get to the negotiation table. So I think that's where we are on. Probably wasn't entirely serious about actually having direct discussions once again. And a senior diplomat over the weekend inside Tehran was telling me all along that regional hostilities will likely flare up once again. Iran have been preparing for a US And Israeli attack inside of Tehran and other parts of the country as well. So I think all along we knew potentially that this conflict would reignite. I just don't think we expected that Iran to go on the offensive today and specifically target vessels in the Straits of Hormuz, but also target territory within the uae.

[Natalie Winters]

Once again, is the cease fire still a cease fire?

[Trevor Comstock]

Well, it's right on the edge of breaking down, but since yesterday's order by President Trump, the US Navy to conduct conduct escort duty through the straits. I've been on edge. This is not a realistic plan. The US Navy has enormous courage and tremendous technology and a layered defense. They can protect themselves pretty well. But there's 2,000 or more ships in and out of the Persian Gulf stuck. They're not going to be able to get 130 ships a day through the straits with an escort. And by the way, they're still slow moving. Oil tankers, tremendous target, can be hit. But even the US Navy is at great risk trying to pull off escort duty. They probably got less than five minutes of reaction time in the Gulf to a ballistic missile attack. There's still 20 some odd mini submarines perhaps in the Gulf along the Iranian navy which are very difficult to detect. They've got mine warfare options, they've got swarm tactics of UAVs as well as aircraft potentially and cruise missiles. So this is a high risk operation and it won't solve the political and economic problem of opening the Gulf.

[Natalie Winters]

You're back in the war room. We are still joined by Sam Faddis to break all of that down for us. Sam, I want your thoughts, your reaction, but also to the broader point. You know, a lot of accusations against the US media this morning saying that Iran had hit a ship. Even some people saying the discussion of mines in the strait is kind of overblown or fear mongering. I'm not pretending to know what the reality on the ground is there. I don't think any of us do. But you know, given your kind of expertise, what do you see the information warfare landscape shaping up to be?

[Sam Faddis]

Yeah, I think, I think it's kind of unprecedented, which I think is where you're going with that. I mean, it's not is it is being done on a scale and with an audacity that is certainly unpresent. I mean, completely fictitious stories, complete with video and all sorts of claimed firsthand accounts are put out and it turns out it's complete nonsense. And some of that is just people that think this is cute and, and some of that is people that just think they're going to get clicks from this. But a lot of it is being done by the Iranians and, and by other hostile actors. I mean, earlier there was reverberating around the Internet, earlier today was yet another story that one of our aircraft carriers had been struck, complete with video of smoke pouring out of a warship and all this. And of course, you know, the video is of a derelict US vessel that we actually shot and sank ourselves in a live fire exercise like a decade ago in the Pacific. A ship that was decommissioned and used in an exercise as a target to give people experience with actually sinking a real vessel. So that video then gets resurfaced a decade later and repurposed and put out here. So it's very aggressive and unfortunately a lot of people are falling for it. I mean people, you know how it is on the Internet, people see that and my God, I have to retweet that and, and, and push that out. So, so I look, I'm on top, look like I'm on top of things. And you don't take any time whatsoever to figure out whether there's, whether there's any truth to that. At the same time, there are other things that are happening that are just completely buried and ignored. It's become a huge issue.

[Natalie Winters]

I'm curious to get your thoughts too, obviously, on the China angle of all this, but to that point, of things that haven't been, I think, deservedly or just justifiably covered enough. The latest going on, of course, with, you know, the Taiwanese visit to Eswatini, seeing the airspace over three African countries essentially be shut. It seemed like Europe also kowtowed to the CCP's demands. I'm not exactly sure how the fierce and fighting president there is going to get back. I think saw some Bloomberg reporting about that this morning. But, you know, the symbolism there too, I think as we're talking about the free navigation of waterways, obviously everything going on in the Strait of Hormuz. But also now, you know, I thought China is supposedly weakened by all of this and intimidated. That seems pretty escalatory to make such demands. Talking about the closure of airspace, obviously in a country where they own a lot of, a lot of debt, a lot of infrastructure, a lot of ports, basically have those countries by the, you know what. But your sort of thought on the China angle to all this?

[Sam Faddis]

Well, I think it's enormous. I mean, obviously these guys are the number one existential threat to the United States, Communist China. And they're not sitting on the sidelines. They're not sitting this out. I mean, a few weeks ago now we had a US Navy destroyer after the blockade was put in effect and ended up opening fire on a container ship trying to run through the blockade into Iran. Okay. Disabled it. Ship was seized. That ship was loaded with containers. The cargo was sodium perchlorate, which is one of the precursor chemicals. It's about 70% by volume of solid rocket fuel for Iranian missiles. Okay, so that's. And this is all coming from China. This ship, this ship loaded its cargo in China and then tried to run the blockade into Iran. But that. Okay. And then it was stopped. But the thing is the Chinese have run. I've lost track now. They've run a. They ran a whole bunch of other such vessels loaded with material to help the Iranians in their war effort into Iran before we imposed the blockade. So the Iranians are shooting at us, trying to kill our people, and they're using missiles that the Chinese are fueling. And the Chinese are providing all sorts of other stuff to them, too. All the electronics for the drones, etc. So the Chinese are deliberately assisting the Iranians in attempting to kill American soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. And now that we've imposed the blockade, all of a sudden Pakistan, working as a shell for the Chinese, has opened up six separate land routes from Pakistan into Iran. They're just. And, and those. What, what they're doing, containers are coming from China, they're putting into a port in Pakistan, they're being loaded on trucks, and they're being driven into Iran. In other words, this is the Chinese continuing to do precisely what they were doing before. They're just doing it over. Over land now, again, helping the Iranians kill people in the middle of a war with the United States. I don't know how much more belligerent you can get that they're also providing targeting data. Their drones are much more capable now because the Chinese give them the information they need for precise targeting. I don't think that's the kind of thing you ignore, honestly. I mean, I don't think the President ought to go to China while this is going on. And frankly, any Chinese entity that comes within 10 miles of this activity ought to be sanctioned. And I don't mean like customs duties. I mean, like, you don't do any business with the United States and you don't touch our banking system. You know, we're in a fight now whether we should. Whether we should have started the war at this time or not. We're in a fight we gotta win, and we're not gonna win by half measures.

[Natalie Winters]

Can you just elaborate a bit on why you don't think President Trump. I mean, I really don't think he should go there. They should come to us. They're very into symbolism and the meaning of where meetings take place, or at least have it in a neutral country, Singapore or something. But why now do you think is particularly a bad time? We've got a few minutes.

[Unnamed Diplomat/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Sam Faddis]

Look, I think when you. If you are negotiating with somebody, and I'm using that term pretty broadly here, if we're trying to. We're trying to influence folks and we're trying to get them to modify their behavior and so forth, I think sometimes the most powerful thing you can do is just stand up from the table and walk away and refuse to continue the conversation, which is kind of where we are with the Iranians as well right now, with whom I have a lot of experience sitting there. You know, when they hand you a surrender document, another one because they, their first 10 point plan was also a surrender duck. When they hand you something like that. The answer in my opinion, in my experience, is not to say, okay, well let's talk about these one by one. It's just to stand up from the table and toss the thing across the table and walk out of the room and just let them understand. Okay, you want to know what my response is? Stand by. Because the response will be incoming. We're going to those six overland routes from Pakistan. They all run through territory where they cross numerous river valleys and canyons and there are any number of bridges that if they're taken out means no traffic moves and we can take them out faster than they can move them. Same for the rail lines. Do that like five minutes after you get up from the table. It's, it's that kind of psychological message and I think, you know, I'm not suggesting we attack the Chinese now, but I'm saying the Chinese need to, to feel the same thing from us. I'm not talking to you right now. You're, you're arming these guys and, and tomorrow a US Navy vessel could be hit and hundreds of American sailors killed because you guys are giving them the means to do it. There's no way in hell I'm coming to talk to you.

[Natalie Winters]

Yeah, I just hate the optics of it too. Going there I think is wrong. Sam, if you can hang with us through the break, I know the audience wants more of your analysis. I'd also posit too that the time to go over there amidst our ongoing munitions crisis here, the rate at which we are depleting a lot of these Lamborghini equivalent type interceptors missiles, you name it, to shoot down, you know, 10, $20,000 Jones that are made with Chinese parts, Chinese companies, take your pick. Basically all of it. You know, we've yet to I think find the right way to reshore manufacturing here. I can tell you it's not giving more endless black hole dollars to the defense primes that got us in this position in the first place. That take multiple years to return. Things that we're using up in seconds, frankly, a conflict that I don't know how necessary it is. Iran is not our China. It may be Israel's, but it's not ours. We'll be right back after the short break.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Natalie Winters]

You're back in the war room. We still got the wonderful Sam Faddis with us. Sam, we only got a few minutes. I know I have held you for quite some time. I appreciate it, so does the audience. But just sort of to conclude everything moving forward, what do you think the audience needs to be looking out for from the White House? You know, what do you think the White House needs to be doing to hopefully Godspeed, end this thing quickly so we can kind of, you know, repair, recover, recharge from the serious losses that we've taken?

[Sam Faddis]

Well, look, as anybody that's watched this program regularly knows, you know, if I was advising the president, I would have said, don't start this war. And if the decision was we're going to start this war, I would have said, well, then don't do it this way because it ain't going to work. This idea that you're going to bomb them for a week and they're going to quit, okay, that's water over the dam. We're in it. You can't lose this war to the Iranians and not suffer catastrophic consequences. So we have to force them to actually accept what amount to terms of surrender. We're closing. The straits alone is not sufficient to do that. We got to get, you know, we're on the right track in terms of economic pressure. Okay, you got to keep turning the screws. Six overland routes from Pakistan. Close them all. Take out every bridge. They're running small tankers through territorial waters to circumvent the blockade. Sink them. I mean, they got money, billions of dollars in banks all around the world. Take the money. Don't just freeze it, take it. I mean, you have to methodically throttle this regime. And they will quit when they decide. They are beaten, not when we decide. And we got to stop waiting for them to surrender. We have to make them surrender.

[Natalie Winters]

Sam, if people want to follow you, keep up with all the writing you're doing, you're everywhere. But if people want to want to read it, where can they go to do that and keep up to date?

[Sam Faddis]

Go to Substack and magazine a n d magazine.substack.com and I'm all over the web as real Sam Faddis on X and every place else.

[Natalie Winters]

Thank you sir for joining us. I appreciate it.

[Sam Faddis]

Thank you, Natalie.

[Natalie Winters]

Trevor Comstock, I think you join us now. We had the President of the Maha Institute on talking about the over prescription of SSRIs, all those crazy things. I think they're basically just meth prepackaged or repackaged rather. And they don't tell you about any of the side effects and then you're hooked on them. It's a racket. Sounds like what the Somalians are doing. You guys sort of take a holistic approach to, I know, all things health, the whole spectrum, holistic, as they call it. It. You, I'm sure, have some new deals, products, anything going on that you want the audience to know about?

[Trevor Comstock]

Yeah, always.

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[Natalie Winters]

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[Trevor Comstock]

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[Natalie Winters]

Thank you, Trevor, for joining us.

[Trevor Comstock]

Thanks, Natalie.

[Natalie Winters]

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[Mike Lindell]

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[Natalie Winters]

Mike, thank you so much for joining us. I am sure we'll have you back on soon. And Warren Posse, thank you for hanging with me. Don't go anywhere. Of course. Have the 6pm show and I will see you guys soon. Hopefully not from D.C. have a good one.