MANGIONE BACKPACK EVIDENCE BLOCKED | HUMAN EVENTS DAILY W JACK POSOBIEC

Summary

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Real America’s Voice | Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec

Episode: Mangione Backpack Evidence Blocked
Date: May 18, 2026
Host: Jack Posobiec
Guests: Will Chamberlain, Jonathan Alpert

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Episode Overview

This episode of Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec centers on recent judicial rulings in the high-profile Luigi Mangione case, focusing specifically on the suppression of evidence found in the defendant's backpack. Posobiec and his guests discuss broader themes of legal process, potential double standards in criminal justice, and the alleged normalization of political violence. The latter half features an interview with psychotherapist Jonathan Alpert about his new book, “Therapy Nation,” exploring the cultural impact of therapy and validation culture on American society and political life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Mangione Case: Legal Rulings and Judicial Philosophy

(Main segment begins at 02:25)

a. Recent Suppression of Evidence

• Judge Gregory Carroll ruled to suppress certain items found in Luigi Mangione's backpack, although the gun itself and a manifesto remain admissible in the upcoming state trial.

  • “A judge will still rule for you...maybe we can't allow certain evidence into the trial. Maybe...some of the things that the police did—Did they search the backpack in the McDonald's or at the police station? You know, these are important distinctions…” — Jack Posobiec (04:03)

• The ruling brings up the debate over the technicalities of searches and constitutional protections, specifically the Fourth Amendment.

b. Differences Between Federal and State Trials

• Will Chamberlain (legal commentator) breaks down why evidence was admitted in the federal trial, but partially excluded in the state trial, including distinctions in New York law versus federal law.

  • “The key thing to understand is that this very evidence was admitted in the federal trial...federal law has a much more sensible view in terms of excluding evidence.” — Will Chamberlain (15:46–16:28)

• The "exigent circumstances" doctrine: Federal judge accepted that police might reasonably have feared a bomb risk; state judge did not.

  • “The federal judge thought exigent circumstances did exist, that it was perfectly reasonable for...cops would search through the backpack to try and see if it had a bomb in it. I actually think that’s the most reasonable situation here.” — Will Chamberlain (15:46–17:10)

• “So just to walk people through...the lawyer said, well, you know, it couldn’t have posed a threat because the backpack was already in the possession of law enforcement...” — Jack Posobiec (16:25)

• State law's narrow application of the "Inevitable Discovery" doctrine: New York law only lets this preserve secondary evidence, not primary evidence, from an unlawful search.

  • “They have a very interesting quirk on the Inevitable Discovery Rule. They have one, but they say...it only can save secondary evidence obtained as a result of further police investigation. And it’s sort of like, what? Okay, why?” — Will Chamberlain (23:26)

c. Removal of the Terrorism Charge

• Earlier, same judge ruled the terrorism enhancement could not apply, interpreting New York’s statute strictly.
  • “He removed the terrorism charge...his reasoning...the statute required proof of intent to intimidate a civilian population or government entity...oh well, even if he did mean to intimidate the health care industry that’s not the population at large or a government entity, therefore it can’t be terrorism.” — Jack Posobiec (19:08)

d. Broader Cultural and Legal Implications

• Posobiec and Chamberlain worry these rulings reflect a larger societal breakdown and possible normalization of political violence, as seen in the public’s reaction and cultural productions (e.g., musicals about Mangione).

  • “They are normalizing political violence because they want it.” — Jack Posobiec (08:53)

• Juries and “assassination culture”: Discussion about the potential for jury nullification in politically charged cases.

  • “You may have to worry about jury nullification for one or more jurors who refuse to convict...there’s a reasonably large and growing section of our population that thinks street murder is acceptable if it’s done at the right targets.” — Will Chamberlain (29:51)

  • “It’s more than just saying he should be acquitted. It’s...while conceding that he did what he did.” — Jack Posobiec (30:39)

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2. "Therapy Nation": The Therapy Industry & Societal Effects

(Interview with Jonathan Alpert begins at 37:20)

a. The Rise of Therapy Culture and “Validation”

• Alpert argues that contemporary therapy often overemphasizes affirmation, contributing to a "validation culture" that may make people weaker rather than stronger.

  • “We have more access to mental health care. But rates of anxiety and depression are higher than ever...therapists are just sitting there validating...not really challenging [patients]. And they've created this...affirmation or validation culture, really contributing to making people sicker and weaker.” — Jonathan Alpert (38:50)

• Therapeutic language has entered politics and workplace, with terms like "toxic," "boundaries," and "self-care" being broadly misapplied.

b. Grievance and Abdication of Personal Responsibility

• Alpert and Posobiec discuss how therapy can feed into narratives of victimhood, shifting blame away from individuals and undermining personal responsibility.

  • “...it's really contributing to making people sicker and weaker and ultimately dividing this country...therapists will blame everyone but their patients.” — Jonathan Alpert (38:50, 39:56)

• Broader social consequences, from rationalizing petty theft to excusing more serious crimes:

  • “We see cities...where it’s okay to steal up to $800...AOC and Cynthia Nixon saying, well, these people must be in need and that’s why they do it. No, they’re not in need and they shouldn’t be doing this.” — Jonathan Alpert (41:53)

c. Political Violence, Folk Heroes, and Moral Confusion

• The Mangione case is called out as an example of the “grievance culture,” with Alpert tying the validation of extreme actions (like assassination) to deeper social sickness.
  • “With Luigi Mangione, he’s become a folk hero...we have a musical that’s opening in a few weeks just about a mile from where he allegedly gunned down the UnitedHealthcare CEO. So that speaks a lot to how sick our culture has become where we’re celebrating cold blooded murderers.” — Jonathan Alpert (44:06)

d. Therapy as Status and Victimhood Olympics

• Exploration of how having a diagnosis or mental health struggle is viewed as a badge of honor, reinforcing social hierarchies built on victim status rather than resilience.
  • “We need to get back to a time where we're not striving to be mentally ill. We're not striving to brag about how depressed or how busy we are or that we have ADHD.” — Jonathan Alpert (51:52)

e. Over-pathologizing Normal Life

• Discussion on how the “therapeutic takeover” of language trivializes real mental illness and fosters learned helplessness.

  • “Just because your boyfriend is acting like a jerk...doesn’t mean he’s a narcissist. Narcissism is a very profound personality disorder and the term should not be thrown around...just because your boss is demanding, doesn’t mean it’s a toxic workplace.” — Jonathan Alpert (51:59)

• Danger of creating problems where none exist, especially by focusing pathologically on identity in therapy.

  • “His previous therapist made everything about him being black...She said, you must have issues being a black man in this work environment. He really didn't. He had issues because he was a busy person with a demanding job.” — Jonathan Alpert (57:49)

f. Author’s Prescription: Real Therapy Empowers, Doesn’t Coddle

• “Part of how we grow and build character is by falling on our face and getting up and learning how to do things better.” — Jonathan Alpert (56:25)
• Alpert encourages critical evaluation of therapists and eschews dependency.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Legal Technicalities & Justice:
  • “Form over substance, I think, is a good way of describing what's happening at the New York State level.” — Will Chamberlain (23:26)
• On Public Reaction to Political Violence:
  • “People like Hassan Piker being platformed by the New York Times, saying that Brian Thompson was guilty of ‘social murder’ because he worked for a health care firm...” — Jack Posobiec (28:09)
• On Validation and Victimhood:
  • “It’s almost like their badge of honor...we should really be looking at people who are healthy and trying to be more like them.” — Jonathan Alpert (51:52)
• On the Overuse of Therapy Speak:
  • “We've all heard people say, ‘Well, my therapist says this.’ Those might be the most obnoxious words ever uttered.” — Jonathan Alpert (51:59)
• On Systemic Issues:
  • “That's how you create a divided and fragile society. If every issue you might have is a pathology or disorder, that's problematic." — Jonathan Alpert (56:25)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 02:25 — Start of main show, Mangione case overview
• 04:03 — Jack Posobiec on judicial rulings and normalization of violence
• 15:22 — Will Chamberlain explains legal technicalities in evidence suppression
• 19:08 — Discussion on removal of terrorism charge
• 23:26 — New York's “Inevitable Discovery” rule quirks
• 29:51 — Fears about jury nullification and “assassination culture”
• 37:20 — Jonathan Alpert interview: “Therapy Nation” & therapy culture critique
• 38:50 — Validation culture and rising anxiety
• 41:53 — Rationalizing anti-social behavior
• 44:06 — Cultural celebration of criminals; “folk hero” phenomenon
• 51:52 — Victimhood Olympics and therapy as social capital
• 56:25 — On over-diagnosis of normal struggles

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Structure & Tone

• Style: Confrontational but analytic, heavy on political and cultural critique with legal and psychological analysis.
• Tone: Direct, polemical, with a focus on broader social implications.

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This summary provides a full breakdown of the Mangione evidence debate in both legal and cultural contexts, as well as distilling Jonathan Alpert’s critique of America’s “therapy culture.” Rich with key quotes and explanations, it’s accessible for listeners new to the story or seeking to understand wider American political and psychological trends.

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[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, I think, you know, I'm learning a little bit about New York's criminal procedure law because, you know, I went to law school, I took federal criminal procedure, so I'm more familiar with that. And intuitively it seemed weird that this evidence was getting spread.

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And because, and just so the audience understands, is that there are two levels of trials going on right now.

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There is a state trial in the

[Jack Posobiec]

federal trial and there is a state trial for not the same, but similar charges.

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And the key thing to understand is that the. This very evidence was admitted in. In the federal trial. And in an order, an opinion back in January, the federal judge hear the same arguments, but applied federal law and decided that it was actually very straightforward that all this evidence would come in first. The federal judge thought that exigent circumstances did exist, that it was perfectly reasonable for given the political nature of Mr. Mangione shooting, that these cops would search through the backpack to try and see if it had a bomb in it. You never know what this guy might do. I actually think that's the obvious and most reasonable situation here. And that. I think that that's, I think, the weakest part of the New York judge's opinion.

[Jack Posobiec]

I wasn't able to get to that point yet, but that's exactly what I said to Producer Foz on the phone earlier today, was to say, yes, so there's existence. Circumstances. So just to walk people through the. The argument. Right. So the. The lawyer said, well, you know, it couldn't have posed a threat because the. The backpack was already in the possession of law enforcement. If it was in the possession of law enforcement, then it was not. And I believe the word was grabbable. Then if it was not grabbable, then it could not have been a threat. And the first thing that occurred to me that, you know, I'm sure I could think of other things, but the first thing occurred to me when I was talking to Producer Faz was, well, what if he had a bomb?

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, exactly. And designed to.

[Jack Posobiec]

To go off without you touching them? Typically, yeah.

[Will Chamberlain]

And so if the federal judge thought that argument was perfectly sound, I think the state judge said something along the lines of, well, if you thought it was a bomb, why didn't you call the bomb squad? And why did you open it in a crowded McDonald's, which could have hurt everybody in the. In the room? So maybe he thought it was contextual, I don't know. But. So that's, that's just. But understand that's just one way in which the federal judge came to this. The other thing that federal law has that apparently New York State has a much more cabined version of is something called the inevitable discovery doctrine. So the basic idea here is it's not obvious that just because a piece of evidence is unlawfully obtained, like obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment, that it should automatically be excluded from the trial for the obvious reason that it can lead to injustice when a criminal is allowed to get off. And so there are exceptions to that rule that are very sensible. One of them is that if the items that the defendant is seeking to have suppressed would have been discovered inevitably by police through their normal lawful procedures, then those. Those pieces of evidence are still admissible, even if the policeman at the scene made a mistake and searched something he shouldn't have searched. And in this case, all this backpack that was in Mangione's possession would have been searched legally no matter what, when it was taken to the police station in the form of an inventory search.

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Right.

[Will Chamberlain]

The police don't just take a closed backpack and don't look at what's inside it and throw it in on the shelves. They do an inventory of everything in the backpack that you obtain because the person you've arrested has it on their person. So it's all this would have been found. And so, you know, the federal judge looked at this and is like, we're not going to let like this random mistake from a local police officer, you know, mean that this evidence doesn't come in because obviously like this evidence would have, you know, been found no matter what. Like, given under the circumstances, the guy was arrested with this backpack on him, there's no need to play ticky tacky games and exclude evidence that clearly should be allowed into this trial.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and that's, that's I think, the way that I look at it. And, and for example, I don't know, and I know I'm asking you to jump to another piece, but this is the same judge who, or perhaps you recall when it happened, who took away the death penalty component when he removed the terrorism charge in very high profile fashion a while back in the same case. And his reasoning for doing so was that the statute in the New York anti terrorism law required proof of intent to intimidate a civilian population or government entity. And this same judge ruled that, oh well, even if he did mean to intimidate the health care industry, that's not the population at large or a government entity, therefore it can't be terrorism. And I'm like, you're kidding me.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, that seems very cramped off the top of my head. Like, and that actually seems like again, we have another very cramped understanding of exigent circumstances from the judge today. So, you know, I don't want to get too far afield of my own knowledge. Right. I'm not a New York lawyer, so I don't, I'm not super familiar with the case law and the specifics of how these doctrines are applied in New York. So it really could be, from my perspective, just New York law is a mess and the judge is doing the best he can applying New York law. It could also be New York law is fine, or New York law is perfectly reasonable and it's this judge who is taking an unnecessarily cramped view of the law.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, and for obvious reasons, New York state has pretty robust terrorism laws on the books because of the amount of terrorism that goes on in the state of New York, unfortunately, because they have found themselves the brunt of multiple Islamic terror attacks. World Trade center there, that ISIS cell that tried to bomb Gracie Mansion just a couple of months ago, that came out of Pennsylvania and again and again, this keeps happening. So I think in the wake of 9 11, you know, they wrote it in such a way that. Okay, you know, and sure, obviously, right, you need to find that line between what is terrorism and what is a crime. But, but clearly to me, if, you know, just, just looking at it the way it is, he's got a manifesto that's against the health care industry. He's clearly attempting to coerce the health care industry. So just by the basic, what I wouldn't understand as an intelligence officer definition of terrorism, a, you know, an act of violence with an intended political outcome, that is terrorism.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah. And I mean, there, you know, the ruling isn't all bad in the sense that there was a notebook in the ruling in the backpack that was found that's admitted in the state court case.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right. And so the notebook is clear the audience open to, to be clear the audience. Yes. That the, and that was my first. When, you know, when I first saw the headlines start coming in from the ruling, I said, don't, don't tell me that they, you know, that they excluded the manifesto because that would just, that would just. They've got the manifesto, including the manifesto and the gun.

[Will Chamberlain]

And a gun. So with those two things, I don't think Mangione is suddenly getting off. Right. I think those are like, if you're talking about the two core pieces of evidence that would be the murder weapon and the evidence of intent, those are pretty important pieces. If you have those two things, you're in pretty good shape as far as I can tell. So my suspicion is that he's still going to get convicted in the state court case. But it does really connect to a sort of broader question. And I think federal law is just generally more sensible and probably because federal law has been supervised by a federal Supreme Court that is often been very conservative and especially on criminal procedures. So it doesn't try and create gotcha situations and ticky tacky let ticky tacky rules violations lead to injustices. I think that's the general thrust of federal law and that certainly in this case, you can really see a crystal clear difference between how New York law works and how federal law works. In terms of excluding evidence. The federal result is just obvious and intuitive. Of course this stuff would have been found. You know, the police officer making a small mistake does not mean that this evidence needs to go away. All this stuff.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, to your point, you know, to your point, there are even, even on the. I guess he may have had the magazine separate from the gun. He said. So the magazine has been excluded, but the gun is not excluded. It's like, well, I mean, come on.

[Will Chamberlain]

Right, right again. It's like form over substance, I think is a good way of describing what's happening at the New York State level. And also probably their doctrine facilitates. They have I just read that they have a very interesting quirk on the Inevitable Discovery Rule. They have one, but they say the Inevitable Discovery Rule can't be used to save the primary evidence obtained from the search. It only can save secondary evidence obtained as a result of further police investigation. And it's sort of like, what? Okay, why?

[Jack Posobiec]

Right, we'll hold that thought. We'll be we'll be right back after a quick break. Human Events Daily Will Chamberlain Room Our voice

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[Jonathan Alpert]

He's got a great job.

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[Will Chamberlain]

And we've seen already. Yeah, I think that's a reasonable fear. I think that especially a hung jury, I would be surprised if he ever got an actual acquittal in any of these cases. I think the evidence even. Even absent, as we discussed, even absent the evidence that was suppressed, I think the other evidence is going to be overwhelming as to Luigi's guilt. But you may have. I mean, you basically may have to worry about jury nullification for one from one or more jurors who refuse to convict, because apparently that there's a reasonably large and growing section of our population that thinks street murder is acceptable if it's done at the right targets. I think it's appalling and, you know, it really is. But for the first Amendment, I would favor very serious, very serious consequences for the people going around talking about how Luigi Mangioni should be acquitted.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's, It's. I mean, it. It's. It's. It's more than just saying he should be acquitted. It's. It's saying that he should be acquitted while conceding that he did what he did.

[Will Chamberlain]

Exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's not like, oh, we, you know, we should get him off because, you know, it wasn't him or there was some other context or circumstances that you're missing. No, they support what he did. That's the problem. You can't have that in a society.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, no, it's completely corrosive to Civil society to civilization more broad. It's just opening the door to complete barbarism. And I think, you know, basically anybody who, you know, it's one of those things. I mean, we just. You can't take people who say things like that. I mean, you have to take them at their word. But you, you can't take the idea underlying it as a serious moral thought. Right. Basically, like everybody who's that woman wearing that free Luigi shirt, you just immediately, that woman is a moral reprobate. And you know, it's one of those things that should actually get you fired and basically ensure that nobody serious ever hires you again.

[Jack Posobiec]

I just had this tweet go pretty viral over the weekend talking about in the French Revolution. Everyone knows King Louis and Marie Antoinette and their execution and their guillotine, and we wrote about that and on humans. But one thing that people also don't realize was that they had an 8 year old son who was kind of like the Prince. I think it was technically a duke in the French system. And at 8 years old, the French revolutionaries locked him up in a tower, tortured him and starved him to death by the time he was 10 for the crime of being born.

[Will Chamberlain]

Yeah, this is. And I mean, I think you wrote also about the Russian revolution and the murder of the family of the Tsar, I would assume. And you know, wherever communists try and take power, you know, for all their talk about humanity and humanism and human rights violations, whenever they're actually taking power, they don't really care much about that and they're willing to murder anybody who gets in their way.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I think you're seeing, I love just in the last minute before I lose you. I also love their response to all these guys is always like, okay, so you're saying it's just because of healthcare. Well, would you have been so cavalier about supporting Luigi if perhaps this CEO had not been a white Christian male? What if he had been so, say, I don't know, a black CEO in a same sex relationship and still the CEO of a health care company. But would you have done it? Oh, no. Because all of your victims have a certain pattern. So. So maybe actually that's the pattern you're after. And all the stuff that you're saying, all the crap about equality is just like a bunch of window dressing marketing.

[Will Chamberlain]

I think that's exactly right. I think, you know, this is, what is it? Race communism. And I think that's a big part of communism.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's literally just race communism, Will Chamberlain, where people go to follow you, follow

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me on X at Will Chamberlain. Also tomorrow I testify in front of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution to talk about what can be done in terms of redistricting. So you can check that out probably on C Span.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. Just make sure it's not scheduled between 2 and 3pm Eastern.

[Will Chamberlain]

It is, sadly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Catch the clips Chamberlain yesterday. Cancel. Cancel. I am calling who runs the Senate. Someone get me the Senate on the phone. F F Give me the Senate. We got it. We got to. We got to get. We got to cut the mic. We got to cut the mic. Congrats, Will. I'm sure you do well as you always do. Right back. Human Events Daily.

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What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who'd be getting policies. All right, folks, Jack Posobic back live human events Daily. Very excited to have our next guest on because he's got a new book that is coming out tomorrow and ton of people are talking about it. I saw it actually all over the place yesterday. We had already been, you know, chatting about coming on. It's Jonathan Alpert. His new book is Therapy Nation. How America Got Hooked on Therapy and why it's Left us more Anxious. You know, I mean, it's just, what a perfect title. He's a psychotherapist. He joins us now. Jonathan, how are you? Good.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Jack, thanks so much for having me on. I appreciate it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I'm super excited. I mean, just from the title of your book. I mean, it's amazing to me because the therapy industry has been sacrosanct for so many years and you know, it was almost like you can't. How dare you possibly call this out. And you've got this book coming out saying that you're coming at it from the completely opposite perspective, that, hey, actually maybe this thing is. Is hurting more than it's helping because we've got more of it than ever. More people are in therapy than ever. More people are taking SSRIs and other things than. Than ever. And yet we seem to be more anxious and having more intelligence, mental issues socially than ever.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah. Isn't that interesting? We have more access to Mental health care. But rates of anxiety and depression are higher than ever. And you have to go back to 2012, when I wrote an op ed piece for the New York Times. And that's when I first warned about this, what is now a trend in my profession where therapists are just sitting there validating their patients, affirming them, not really challenging them. And they've created this. This almost like affirmation or validation culture, where I think is really contributing to making people sicker and weaker and ultimately dividing this country. We have therapeutic terms that have become weaponized. I mean, we've all heard people describe as toxic or borderline or bipolar narcissist. I mean, you name it, it's everywhere. And I would argue that that really starts in my profession. And I'm calling out my colleagues. It's about time we stop doing that and get back to actually treating people the way they should be treated patients.

[Jack Posobiec]

So when you say validation culture, I have a suspicion what you mean by that, but unpack that for us a little bit.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Sure. So if you're a therapist and someone comes in and they say, well, you know, I think I am a boy, but that person's a girl, you might challenge them and ask them, well, why do you feel that way? How long have you felt like this? Especially with a little kid? But instead, we have a lot of therapists who will just validate and affirm that, well, okay, that's fine. You're entitled to feel that way, blah, blah, blah. And we've all seen where that goes. And it doesn't necessarily lead to the healthiest place for that type of patient, but it also extends into other areas. We have therapists who will blame everyone but their patients. So let's say a patient goes in and talks about their boyfriend that's a jerk, or their boss that's maybe demanding. So suddenly that boss or that workplace becomes a toxic work environment, or that boyfriend becomes a narcissist, like, never challenging the patient. You know, asking them, well, what role might you play in this relationship issue or situation that you have at work?

[Jack Posobiec]

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you. Are you referring to something called personal responsibility?

[Jonathan Alpert]

I think that's what it's called. I think we were all taught that as kids.

[Jack Posobiec]

We used to talk about that thing. And, you know, as a conservative, that's. That's, you know, pretty much our entire ideology is basically like, personal responsibility plays a huge role in that. We should actually hold people to standards and all of this, as opposed to this. Well, you know, society made Me do it and I had a childhood and et cetera. And I'm not saying that those don't exist, but I am also saying that I personally believe that the per. And is what I teach to my boys is that personal responsibility is real and that we do all have the ability to respond to our childhoods and our society and the situations that we find ourselves in and the things that happen to us. And we're not simply subject to them.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Oh, absolutely. We have control over our actions, whether those are positive or negative actions. And you know, you were just talking about Luigi Mangione and he's the ultimate or the epitome of grievance culture where, you know, he disagreed with United Healthcare, so he felt it was his right, his job, duty to take out the CEO. We see it in smaller ways. We see cities, major liberal leaning cities where it's okay to steal up to $800 worth of product. I remember the first time I witnessed that at Duane Read. I couldn't believe my eyes. I saw someone fill up a bag of about 15 shampoos and I mentioned it to the cashier and she's like, there's nothing we can do. But we have people like AOC and Cynthia Nixon who are saying, well, you know, these people must be in need and that's why they do it. No, they're not in need and they shouldn't be doing this. And I don't know about you, Jack, but I was raised like, shoplifting is bad and you shouldn't do that. I'm sure you're raising your boys in the same way, but instead alive.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I mean, I go like, if I see one of them and if they have something and if, and if it goes, if it's a toy or whatever, it goes anywhere near their pocket, I'm like, get that away from your pocket right now. No, we don't do that. You know, or I can even remember, you know, growing up, I worked at this bakery deli in the Philly area. And you know, I would be one of the guys and you know, all of us kind of, we would. Someone comes in and you can kind of see them. They're like, their hands are in their pockets. They're looking a little shifty around the. Whatever it is. And you can, you could sort of spot someone before they, before they try to pocket something. You can always sort of see the behavior. And you know, there were a couple times where I did confront people like, hey, let me look in that bag, you know, and you. And you get it back but these days, to your point, you know, we don't even allow for that anymore. And, and you're right that it's, it's not just something that, you know, it's not just about, you know, oh, hey, you know, this guy took a, you know, a ten dollar, you know, a $10 item off the table. It's about what that does to a society.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Right. So Whether it's a $10 item, a $20 item, or even a dollar pack of gum, like you shouldn't be stealing. And I had patients who would justify and rationalize what we're seeing right there in the video. People looting stores. Well, these are big businesses. They deserve it. Corporate America is bad. We, we saw that after the BLM riots a couple of years ago, where people justified smashing storefronts and shoplifting. They didn't recognize that this actually does harm people. And it's reflected in the price of goods and services. If you continue to shoplift and steal, it affects the consumer. But their brains don't work that way. They can't understand that logic. They're so motivated just to get back at the big guy or corporate America. Their hatred for these, it's just so strong. And, you know, with Luigi Mangione, I mean, he's become a folk hero. We have here in New York City, we have a musical that's opening in a few weeks, just about a mile from where he allegedly gunned down the UnitedHealthcare CEO. So that speaks a lot to how sick our culture has become where we're celebrating cold blooded murderers. So whether it's Luigi or any of these people who have tried to take out President Trump, our priorities are so off. And I would argue that with the people who have attempted to kill Donald Trump, they're listening to voices and they're listening to the voices of mainstream media. We have people who are saying, Trump is evil, he's Hitler, he's going to ruin democracy. So if you hear enough of that and if that gets into the head of a deranged person, they're going to take action. And that's really concerning to me. And it should be concerning to anyone.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, no, we actually recently saw the performance of the Sondheim musical Assassins, which kind of gets into the psychology a little bit of various presidential assassins. And, you know, you find these people who are, you know, they're either life losers in, you know, one field, typically their love life, but also sometimes professional life, where they have these delusions of grandeur and, you know, going all the way back to, I mean, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald and, excuse me, John Wilkes Booth. I mean, John Wilkes Booth from Lincoln. And he was a Southerner, but of course the war had ended, but he wanted to get back at Lincoln. And then even Charles Guiteau getting into Leon Czolgosz, who was trying to show how great he was, who I've written about, by the way, who's trying to impress Emma Goldman and others and have these grievances against the system. And so they think, well, obviously talks about the attempted presidential assassins as well. And it's always this sort of, well, the system has done me wrong. So I've got to get back at the largest and most prominent member of the system. And the largest and most prominent symbol of the system is of course, the President of the United States. This is a fascinating book, a fascinating psychology. I want to do one more segment with you. Can you hang on for one more?

[Jonathan Alpert]

Sure.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. Our guest is Jonathan Alpert. The book comes out tomorrow. You guys can get. He was gracious enough to to send us an early copy. It's called Therapy Nation. And he's walking through how all the craziness that we're seeing out there today actually has a diagnosis. And it might be coming from a couch near you. Be right back. Human Events Daily.

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[Jack Posobiec]

All right, Jack Paso. Look, we're back on with Jonathan Alpert and he's got the new book Therapy Nation, which comes out tomorrow. It's going to be on Amazon, but you can also go to just Jonathan Alpert.com to check it out. I want to read some of the key themes of here because it's phenomenal. It says the therapeutic takeover of language. How words like trauma, boundaries, toxic and self care. Right. These words are everywhere now. They've left the therapist's office and entered boardrooms, classrooms and political campaigns. Grievance as psychology, which we just talked about. Identity as diagnosis. Right. We have to confirm and validate your identity and just the limits, the basic limits of. Of the therapeutic. Jonathan, I want to ask you a question. Do you think that in today's society that we've sort of inverted basic mental health and basic therapy issues to the point where people are almost thinking that they get some sort of social hierarchy score by having mental health issues and so they're actually trying to claim they have more mental health issues because it gives them something that they get to claim victimization from?

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah, absolutely, Jack. I mean, we have people who. It's almost like their badge of honor.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes.

[Jonathan Alpert]

You know, we need to get back to a time where we're not striving to be mentally ill. We're not striving to brag about how depressed or how busy we are or that we have adhd. Like, we should really be looking at people who are healthy and trying to be more like them. Unfortunately, we have therapists who are throwing out these diagnoses when they really shouldn't be. It's really difficult to be diagnosed with adhd. There are a lot of things that need to be, to meet criteria. Just because you're late for a meeting or maybe you forget things a few times, that doesn't mean you have adhd. And in a similar way, just because you're feeling lousy for a day or two or even a week, that doesn't mean that you're depressed. And then you can even extend that to relationships. You know, just because your boyfriend is acting like a jerk or he's not a good listener, that doesn't mean he's a narcissist. Narcissism is a, is a, is a very profound personality disorder. And the term should not be thrown around the way, the way that it is. But we also see it in workplaces. It's a toxic workplace. The boss is toxic, or just because he might be demanding. So my profession, and this is what I talk about in Therapy nation, is really responsible for this. You know, we've all heard people say, well, my therapist says this. Those might be the most obnoxious words ever uttered and annoying words, but, you know, it's about time people start to question their therapist and not just accept what they say. And part of the problem is people are becoming dependent on their, their therapist and they're treating their therapist more like a friend. And therapists are very quick to create this relationship. I've heard stories from patients who are, who are new to see me, and they talk about when they tried to leave their prior therapist. The therapist would say, well, you can't leave me. You need to keep working. You're going to fall apart, you're going to get depressed if you, you stop seeing me. To me, that's highly unethical and irresponsible.

[Jack Posobiec]

So a therapist, and it's clear what they're doing, right? It's, it's clear that they seem to have figured out that rather than treat the disease, you can then, or treat the disorder, you can then get more business. If you don't treat it, you just manage it. So you were here to manage the situation, and now I've got a repeat customer who's going to keep coming in ad infinitum. Whereas if you, if you cure someone or, you know, give them a way to actually Cope with the diagnosis or cope with the, with the disorder or give them, you know, a better way to, to deal with what they, what they're facing. Well then, then you've just lost a customer, you've lost a patient.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Well, sure, there's the business side of it, but honestly, if you're a good therapist and you help someone get over their anxiety or depression, in a few months they're probably going to tell their friends and colleagues about you and you'll gain more business. I've always modeled my practice in just that way. I use cognitive behavioral therapy, which looks at how people think, the behaviors that come from that, and really working on getting them to think differently and behave differently. And I want people to graduate from seeing me. I don't want them to feel like they need to see me forever.

[Jack Posobiec]

I've always used the model, of course, of what about Bob with Richard Dreyfuss and Bill Murray? So that's, that's, that's really my background in the, in the field.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah. A little tough love doesn't hurt, does it?

[Jack Posobiec]

No, no, no, no. But I mean that's again, that, that's also about trying to help someone get over what they, you know, what they're facing. And the issue, you're right, is that you find also that the issue of it spilling out is that we're, we're so quick to classify anything as mental health and we need self care days and we need this, we need, look, everyone can take time off, right, and have, you know, relax. You have a mental health problem. It just means you're doing, maybe you're working too hard, you want to need to take time off. That's normal. That's just normal, you know, everyday life. But these, the problem, I think, is to your point where we're trying to almost adopt a victimhood mentality when that's actually bad for everyone.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah. I mean, that's not how you create a healthy and resilient society. That's how you create a divided and fragile society. You know, if every issue you might have is a, is a pathology or disorder, that's problematic. Part of how we grow and build character is by falling on our face and getting up and learning how to do things better. You know, I'm sure that's how you raise your kid. But all too often we have therapists that are, that are just validating and affirming their patients, blaming everyone else for their problems. We have universities that are doing the same thing. Georgetown University, after the election of Trump, they held an emergency mental Health Day, where they were, I think, granting students some arts and crafts program or a day off from class so they could cope with that. And I do wonder if Kamala Harris had won, would they have extended that same service? Probably not.

[Jack Posobiec]

No. Probably not at all. And again, I love the fact that there are people now calling out this idea of validation and identity as diagnosis. That identity obviously is a complex issue, but at the same time, you can't identify with something that is a mental issue.

[Jonathan Alpert]

You're correct. And just to extend this out a bit, I've had, and I talk about this in my book, I tell the story of a black gentleman who came to see me and he just, he needed help with stress, some workplace issues. He had a very high powered job and his previous therapist made everything about him being black. She said, well, you must have issues being a black man in this work environment. He really didn't. He had issues that were just because he was a busy person with a demanding job and he needed some help dealing with that. And another story that I tell in the book is a gay man, very similar situation, was having some stress and anxiety at work and other areas of his life. And the therapist said, well, as a gay man you must feel, blah, blah, blah, you must be having these issues as a gay man in America today. He really wasn't. He was having some stress and some anxiety issues. But the therapists in both these cases, they were making gender or sexual orientation and the color of this guy's skin an issue. And that's really where my profession has gone really wrong. And they're creating problems where they don't exist.

[Jack Posobiec]

Creating problems where they don't exist. Folks, you're going to want to get this book because you're going to want to read it cover to cover. I know that I am, absolutely. Because this is something I'm fascinated with, regardless of how I think we've all been affected by it one way or another. Jonathan, tell us again where we can go to get this book starting tomorrow. Great.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah. The book is sold on Amazon and at most most retail outlets, Barnes and Noble. And you can learn more about me on my website, Jonathan Alpert.com and follow me on Twitter or x.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, folks, please give him a follow. And Jonathan, please, please come back soon. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.

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