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We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day. Join us every Tuesday and Thursday Normally on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Media Exposed. This week we're going to take a look at the legacy of Charlie Kirk. The amazing company built up the amazing following. He built up the legend legendary you know content creators he created. It was such a sad week. Also going to take a look at how the media been treating conservatives over the last decade that led to this. I feel some of their behavior something dehumanizing conservatives and the president we're going to take a look at how the media is covered after this assassination attempt. Are they being responsible or not? Well, it's going to take a little rally that happened over in the UK last week and how the media covered that. That and more Coming up on Media Exposed. Do you dare to follow me down? What they do say is fake news. That's how devious the media's become. They're from full force activists now. They colluded. Trump folks were in on it. Sway's election, Sway's policy. We need to expose them. Republicans trash the country. I've been doing this since I was 18. I've had hit jobs done against me. I've been attacked by media reporters. Am I afraid no truth will prevail? Fake news media, we're here to call you out. Media Exposed with Adam Wise starts now. Welcome to Media Expose. We'd like to pay a tribute here to Charlie Kirk. He built a turning point from scratch. Young, gauging, idealistic person had these dreams. He didn't just talk the conservative ideals he mobilized millennials by the thousands and Gen Z to defend them. He became one of the most visible young conservatives podcasters speaking to students defending free speech, traditional values and American exceptionalism. His life demonstrated a consistent willingness to speak uncomfortable truths. Left, right center just wanted to debate on immigration, on identity, on gender and to push back against cancel culture. The movement he built insisted that rights are not privilege granted by cultural elite, but inherent that speech must be protected. Even when unpopular media, government and culture hold responsibility to report fairly about people like him. They should not reduce him to a radical populist extremist. As light offensive labels as they do. I want to welcome my guest is David Zier. He's the host attorney point on Real America's voice breaking point. So, Dave, thanks for joining us. Dave. I met you, I met Charlie Kirk in way back, I think in 18 and 19. Someone introduced me, said he asked me to go to lunch, went to lunch at this, in 2019, this legendary place, Michaels. It's this media institution in New York. And this young guy was about 25, 26 at the time. He was so focused and he's like, I never sort of focused. I got meetings, I got meetings, I got meetings. I gotta go here, I gotta do a hit, I gotta do this. I'm like, this guy is unbelievable for his age. And then he invited me to Mar a Lago for which was maybe in 2000 before COVID to their fundraiser and it was the big gala, the big room. They have At Mar a Lago. I walked into that room, he invited me as a special guest with someone. And I walked in. And right away at the beginning, usually not even do the halfway, they started doing bidding, like auction bidding. And someone said 100,000 and someone said, said 400,000. And then someone threw in a half a million. And within 20 minutes, his group raised $20 million. I've never seen anything in my life like it. This was five years ago or so. And I'm like, oh my God, this guy. What a following. And people just. And wealthiest people from around the country who had believed in traditional values were throwing money to help his cause. And that was back then. And what an institution he built. He was more than just that, the media likes to say, conservative. This conservative podc. He was what Rush Limbaugh was and more because he built the group. Rush just built it through the airwaves, right? Glenn Beck built it through the airways, many people, but he, at the same way he was on the airwaves, he was building this unbelievable following group. And it's so sad that we lost him. But I know you spent some time with his wife too recently, and I mean, not recently, but way back at one of the conferences and you posted a clip and it took off. But give me your thoughts on that. And now she's been appointed CEO, which is a good thing, I think, right? Yeah, it's truly incredible. And you know what, Adam, what really resonates with me is that the old people, the older generation in this country loved Charlie Kirk because they look at their own kids and own grandkids and they see us swerving off the road to this radical, desensitized youth that aren't really informed. And Charlie has brought that back. And that really stuck with me. So that's probably why I remember you telling me about that fundraiser and how much money they raised. You know, there aren't 20 year old kids given 100,000 at a clip. You know, these are older people. So they really loved Charlie's message. And Rush Limbaugh tapped into the silent majority back in August or July of 1988. I listened to almost every show for like 30 years. He was just amazing. But Charlie Kirk's program outstripped Rush Limbaugh and him getting that golden microphone, which was unbelievable. It was unbelievable because the group he brought up and the last, sad, the last visit in Utah of all states, there was videos of these thousands of kids that came out to see him. He was throwing hats at him and he gave people a voice that were Afraid. All these young people were afraid to be canceled and ostracized. And most of the professors are a certain way, and it will live on. And what happened in Jesus lost his life. He built this following. Charlie lost his life. I have people coming out of the woodwork, David, that have no idea. They're Democrats, and all of a sudden independents and Democrats, they're like supporting Charlie, supporting the right. Now you know why he built what in his death. If there's anything to come out of it, this movement is going to grow 10 times of what it was. Yeah, I see that happening as well. You know, what's going on is people are watching his videos and not just taking the hyperbole like blue sky. Right wing social media says that Trump made his fortune espousing horrific and bigoted views. If you watch any of his videos, though, interacting especially with black students, male and female, he said, I don't look at your color. I don't care what race you are. It's up to you to make something of your life. And this like, black girl was saying, oh, I don't have the same opportunity. And he's like, you're at the University of Tennessee. You're a student at one of the best colleges in the country. You have your whole life ahead of you. You're doing it. You know, stop whining. Nobody can his videos, David, and say not. He was proper, he was intellect, he was kind, he was respectful. And I want to. You mentioned this earlier. Let's watch this cut. When Glenn Beck gives him the mic, I want to show the audience. Let's go to cut one. When I first met Charlie, this is the kind of guy he was. He was so gracious. I first met him, he was young. And I said, so what do you want to do? What is it you want? What? What do you want to do? So gracious. He said, I want to be you. I want to do what you do. Let me translate. I want to be Rash Limbaugh. He didn't want to be me. He wanted to be Rush Limbaugh. He wanted to be one of the, as Rush said, radio's greatest of all time. And I remember thinking, well, kid, maybe someday, because I think you have it. I brought something with me today that I thought was appropriate while I did the show, that I would sit in front of Charlie's microphone. It was given to me after the death of Rush Limbaugh by his wife. It is Russia's golden microphone. I think it's appropriate. But it sits in front of Charlie's microphone. There was some poignant moment, David, for, you know, Glenn Beck and they bring in all the biggest names to celebrate Charlie. And it's really sad what happened. But I want to jump to this hearings that were early in the week and Senator Booker and Cash Patel. It was like a WWF wrestling match combined with a fighting match. But they didn't get physical. But they watch this. Let's go to cut two here. If you want to work on bringing this country, it's my time, not yours. My God. My God. If you want to talk about fighting this country, it is. I follow you on your social media posts in this country for what time, sir, you're committee, sir. You don't tell me my time is over. You want proper way to go about things in the hearing and you know, all sorts of rules and they didn't behave that way the last seven, eight years. So Cash is giving it right back to him. What do you think about back, back and forth. And he did it with Congress and Senate all week last week. Yeah. Well, Cash can stand on his own two feet. And their hate for Cash and Trump are so obvious. And Cash destroyed Democratic Senator Bennie Thompson. I was enjoying that. And you know, and the Dems should know, don't dish it if you can't take it, especially with a guy like Cash because he's no nonsense. And you know, their behavior is just absolutely disgraceful, including this panel that MSNBC put together, all Democrats, you know, ripping apart Cash on tv, just really unbelievable. Yeah. The way they're treating Cash, the way they're treating Bobby. And unlike previous presidents, Trump is standing up for them, standing with them and not throwing them overboard. It's a good thing because the relentless attacks are going to keep coming and they might get worse, but we have a strong bench and we have strong fighters there. Dave, thanks for joining us from D.C. thank you. Thank you, Adam. Stand by. Coming up, how the media responded to Kirk's assassination. But next, Charlie Kirk wasn't just a friend and a colleague. He was someone who showed up, worked hard. He cared deeply about his family, his country, his values. Life mattered. And we're going to talk about who was Charlie and why the media created this, you know, this demonization of our fellow citizens that and more. Coming up on Media exposed. A new NFL season means a fresh start and fresh styles. @nflshop.com you'll find the latest jerseys, hats and sideline gear to rep your team all season long. From rookies making their debut to legends, NFLShop.com has it all score exclusive styles you won't find anywhere else and show up ready for every kickoff and big play. 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Welcome back to Media Exposed. Over the last 10 years, the media has increasingly framed conservatives ideologies morally pathological liars, racists, use labels like hate extremism, threat fascism as default straw men. The mainstream and social media have repeatedly given outlets false or exaggerated conspiracy theories about conservatives, election fraud, great replacement theories, groomers without adequate pushback media rituals where right leading speakers are not allowed to respond or their views are edited, taken out of context Making them look unhinged when they were often speaking reasonably calmly. As part of this cultural institution actions, universities, firms, employers, Hollywood have been enabled by media narratives that say any criticism, defensive conservatives ideas, hate speech leading to job loss, reputational harm. Consequences have been real radicalization of both sides, depolarization, last decade surge in political violence with part of that feeding off an environment where one side is constantly perceived as monster. I want to welcome my next guest. It's the legendary Republican strategist, veteran Republican strategist, Roger Stone. Roger, thanks for joining us. Adams, great to be with you, Roger. I wrote this op ed. The media's demonization, right has consequences considerably language used in the mainstream media, right? You oppose open borders, you're anti immigrant, you defend parental rights in schools, you're anti lgbtq. If you worry about election theory, you're a conspiracy theorist. When media leads flat every conservative principle we have into character of cruelty, they strip away the humanity of people like Charlie. Once someone is dehumanized, becomes easy to justify targeting them. If you call someone Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, what do they say? Oh, it's okay to punch him, it's okay to burn his house down. And that's what we have. But I want to go back to this, Roger. I saw this clip actually last week and I was driving somewhere and I think it was even before he got elected. I want to cut four. It's Hillary Clinton when she called us deplorables and then she said something afterwards, it's going to cut four. Watch this. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you can put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables, right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it. And, and unfortunately there are people like that and he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people, now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets. They're offensive, hateful, mean spirited rhetoric. Now some of those folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. So the last part, which I didn't remember because the plural one, but when you say someone's irredeemable and that's what start the situation you have today, I think is, is, is the result of four things. One, of course, is the relentless smears. Nazi, fascist, bigot, white supremacist, anti Semite, anyone you disagree with. You label them relentlessly, but at the same time you censor them so they're not allowed to Even defend themselves. The mass censorship of anybody who is for Donald Trump or anyone who questioned the results of the 2020 election on every major platform across the, the, the, the spectrum. And then the relentless Alinskyism constantly accusing us of doing exactly what they themselves are doing. And now the most dangerous part of it, Adam, which is the relentless use of artificial intelligence. Imagine my shock when I watched the January 6 committee hearings and I saw videos of me saying things that I'd never said, matched with images that didn't even fit with the, with the audio track. So these four insidious tactics are, brought us to this relentless intolerance that exists today that has bred the kind of violence that cost our mutual friend Charlie Kirk his life. I know. And when I grew up in Suffolk county, It was like 30 some odd years ago, I believe when I first got in, polit was part of the Conservative party. New York state has a lot of different parties. I was a registered conservative, but I was active. At the end of the day, we used to meet at this place in Medford, a Landmark Cafe, and we'd meet with Democrats, we'd meet with Republicans, we'd all get together and we were friends. At the end of the day, somewhere along the line after Trump got elected, he was like the cool kid. And the nerds, which were the reporters, they were like the nerds. That's why they call it the nerd prom. The White House correspondents, to them, they took it to a new level, like a level like I've never seen before. Vicious. Destroying the family, destroying his relatives, destroying his friends. It was something so sick. And they've never stopped since. When you grew up, when you were originally worked in politics, did you used to get together with Democrats and be friendly at the end of the day, way back in the day, or constantly? Look, when I was an active political consultant living in Washington in the 80s and into the 90s, I had many friends who were in the same business that I was in, except for they were Democrats. We ate together, we drank together, we hung out together. Sometimes they beat us, sometimes we beat them. But when you had somebody from what, who came from outside the political classes, somebody who wasn't part of the Washington buddy system, some, wasn't part of the political establishment, got elected president. Most improbably, this is when two things happen. First of all, you, the Democrats no longer just wanted to beat you in an election. They wanted to destroy you. They wanted to send you to prison, they wanted to bankrupt you. They literally wanted to destroy you. And then, and then Secondarily, as my good friend Sean Hannity likes to say, journalism is dead in America. People who work at the New York Times are not journalists. Journalists are people who just report facts as they are. These are rank partisans, propagandists, liars, dirt bags, people who are in on the smear, in on the joke. And there is no line between partisan Democrats and mainstream media. It has become the same thing. So how many. I had to read for two years that I was a Russian intelligence asset, you know, and then when a federal judge finally ordered Robert Mueller to release his long redacted, long hitting final report in which even he couldn't deny that he found no evidence of Russian collusion or WikiLeaks collaboration or any other crime on my part. As you might imagine, the New York Times has never reported that, or the Wall Street Journal or the Washington Post or any mainstream outlet. So those same outlets that continually said that you had engaged in Russian collusion, when that's publicly disproven by the special counsel's own report, of course they never report that. Right. That's what they like to do, Rod. They do a hit job, and by the time it's cleaned up and they don't even do, it's barely covered. But I want to show you this compilation because it's a mix of the politicians, the media, and Hollywood and what they've done since Trump first got elected. Let's go to cut five. Watch this. I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. And they. There will be. People need to start taking to the streets. This is a dictator, you know. There needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there is unrest in our lives. Enemies of the state. Show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful. Do something about your dad's immigration practices, you feckless. When they go low, we kick. How do you resist the temptation to run up and wring her neck? Biggest terror threat in this country is white men. Most of them radicalized right off to the right. I thought he should have punched him in the face. I said, even if you lost, he insulted your wife. Yes. On the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murders. He said, well, what do you think I should have done? I said, I think you should have punched him in the face and then gotten out of the race. You would have been a hero. I'd like to punch him in the face. I said, if we were in high school, I'd take him behind the Gym and beat the hell out of him. Punch some people in the face. When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump. And that's a fact. Look, as his character is stabbed to death, where is John Wilkes Booth when you need him? I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House. A Missouri state senator is under investigation by the Secret Service after saying she hopes president. You know that first, when Madonna said that, that was in 2016, when he first got elected. And it was nothing. They didn't care. Hopefully now it would have been a little different. She would have been that she needs to be canceled. She's kind of canceled just from a natural. No talent anymore. But that compilation of the verbiage that these people have said, the violence that they. No wonder we had an assassination last week. What they did. Give me your thoughts on that whole compilation. Yeah, I mean, look, these people have been fomenting violence now consistently. Is it a coincidence that after George Floyd died, half the city, half the country was on fire? That we had millions of dollars of damage to both public and private property? Thousands of people injured, hundreds of people, dozens of people, if not hundreds of people killed. After Charlie Kirk's death, what did you have? Prayer vigils across the country and across the world. No violence, no uprisings, no burnings, no looting. There's a substantial difference there. So those who have been fomenting violence or putting words in our mouths by characterizing us or through the use of AI in censorship are the ones who've been pushing violence in this country. And we should push back on what evil people like Jimmy Kimmel did and finally getting responsibility and getting at least suspended. For now, hopefully they can him. He's got no ratings anyway. He's not talented. But think of a sick individual that comes with all the writers they have that can actually come up with a deranged joke like that and think it's funny at the moment of this time. Give me a quick 15 seconds. Final thoughts on Kimmel's firing. You know, look, they fired him because no one was watching. They fired him because he was losing the money. They fired him because, frankly, wasn't funny. Roger, I want to thank you for joining us. I'll see you soon. I think I might see you in New York next week. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. See you. Up next, the legacy media can no longer control the narrative. Charlie's desk has proven that. And we're going to take a look at the London London big rally that happened in last week, too. A new NFL season means a fresh start and fresh styles. @nflshop.com you'll find the the latest jerseys, hats and sideline gear to rep your team all season long. From rookies making their debut to legends, NFLShop.com has it all score exclusive styles you won't find anywhere else and show up ready for every kickoff and big play fan like a pro and shop now@nflshop.com the US electric grid is approaching a breaking point as demand soars from data centers and home energy use. Our aging infrastructure can't keep up, and the Department of Energy warns that without action, blackouts could surge 100 fold by 2030. The good news? One solution is already here. Propane. It's American made, stored on site and always ready. Powering homes and businesses with cleaner, reliable energy that doesn't depend on the grid or the weather. Learn more@probane.com support for today's show comes from Sonos. You know what makes Draft Day even better? Surround sound. That hits harder than a sleeper pick in the 12th round. I just hooked up the Sonos Sonos Arc Ultra and let me tell you, this thing booms crystal clear highs, deep bass, and it looks sleek enough to sit next to my fantasy draft board. Whether it's game day or mock draft night, Sonos makes every moment feel like a stadium experience. Trust me, your fantasy team deserves elite sound upgrade with sonos@sonos.com this is for guys who like being guys. We're Public Rec and we make clothes that are lightweight, breathable, that look good and feel great. New customers get $50 off your $150 order. Shop now at publicrec.com radio public rec. Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. Welcome back to Media Explodes. We live at a time where the legacy media who Once controlled everything we watched on the airwaves. Their narratives, the policies they espouse. It doesn't work anymore. The images and footages they wanted to control, they've lost it because with social media, open Twitter, open Facebook, open Instagram, open messages come out so fast, igniting reaction in the words from the people that follow us so closely can call them out. It's simply they cannot do what they used to do to destroy conservatives. It didn't take long for some journalists to use sympathetic language about the killer Tyler Robinson sparking backlash all over their complete media buyers figures on the left pushed a false narrative. We didn't know who they he was that was killer was an extreme right winger right. Isn't that what they wanted? They want that narrative to seem that way. They want it to always come out one way so the narrative fits their ideological bent didn't work. Coverage quickly shifted from the facts to culture war narratives right away painting conservatives as a threat or under siege and blaming them for laying the groundwork for an assassination. On the flip side, we're finally starting to see some accountability. Some firings the ghouls who celebrated civilians. Multiple people been fired suspended over social media accounts about Kirk, including a Washington Post reporter and a Secret Service agent. And some people just local grocery stores. And now the big firing towards the end of the week was none other than Jimmy Kimmel. Well suspension. Not if I want to make up my next guest, April Sullivan. She's a political commentator. April, thanks for joining us. First time on Media Exposed. Thank you for having me. You know the media, you would think that these individuals something breaks so evil, so horrific in our society, they would just want to say something kind to the family, figure out how to apologize, how to send this. It's your, you know, thoughts. But no, they look at it. They look at lens through it shows how evil these people are and they pretend they weren't because I want to go to the first cut here which is cut six. It was the day of the assassination and Matthew dad was called on MSNBC right away following up what was just said. He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words which then lead to hateful actions. What kind of ghoul or evil person, the day someone gets assassinated can come up with those thoughts? These people are really sick and evil. Give me your thoughts on that. One that was the day of the shooting. He got fired right away because social media exploded. And that's why it's so important that we even have social media, because we're able to air the real truth of what's going on before the mainstream media tries to wash it down and make it something that it's not. I don't understand. They were the people who always say, we don't blame the victim. I mean, I don't get. How low can you go? They are insinuating that he chose this to happen. In this horrific tragedy. It's. It's heartbreaking that people can be this soulless. Like when we see someone get shot or murdered, doesn't matter in the eyes of God or, you know, in the eyes of human decency. It's not a Democrat, it's not a Republican. You want to send your deepest consolances. These people look at it through politics, through the lens of how do we blame conservatives? How do we blame MAGA people if it ever showed how devilish they are? This shooting, this assassination of a decent Christian, you know, family man who built an empire, and they just. And then. I'm so sick of the both sides. Like, there's no both. Over and over again, the medias with their both sides. And then even politicians fell into that place. But I want to show you another clip. Cut seven here. They brought on this. This cop who. I think this whole thing on January 6th was a setup. And he's been the spokesperson for a long time. MSNBC bought Herman to badmouth Trump. Let's just cut seven. I immediately thought of you when I saw. Among the things that J.D. vance said was he said, look, there is no both sides issue here. The left supports political violence more than the right does. That's just a fact. And again, this can get into a sort of perverse kind of accounting that's in some ways impossible. There's hundreds of millions of people in America, all of whom have access to social media and can say whatever. But when you're talking about political leadership, I thought of you because you were on the receiving end of political violence. You know how toxic, insidious, and dangerous it is. And the people that did that to you were pardoned by the president. So what do you think? I'll tell you what I think. I think that no American politician has done more to normalize political violence in this country other than Donald J. Trump. He has used insightful language, dehumanizing language, to describe his dissenters or his political opponents. And I would argue that in pardoning at least the 530 some odd insurrectionists who violently assaulted police officers on January 6, 2021. He is advocating for the use of political violence in furtherance of, you know, the whole violence in January 6th. Give me a break. It was mostly peaceful people that waved in the the Capitol. And I don't want to hear that story over and over again. But MSNBC in such a, you know, dark times in our society have to bring that creep in to spout that anti Trump brigade. They're the ones April that burnt down cities when we George Floyd was killed by accident. This overdose guy whose poor cops are still sitting in jail. They shouldn't be. Give me your thoughts on that. MSNBC at that moment there was no both sides then this both sides thing is new where the same way they can't tell us what the motive is all of a sudden what the motive is. We all know exactly who did this, okay? And we've been warning about this kind of woke ideology in the schools and the transgender movement all along. But the second details started coming out about that now we have a new thing. We don't know what the motive is. Greg Gutfeld said it perfectly yesterday. He said when they start to say both sides, you know they're guilty because if it was us or maybe there was a chance that it was us, they would blame us 100%. No due process, no nothing. It would be automatic. It was a MAGA extremist. Even to the late, even to the latter part of the week Last week cnn, MSNBC reporters still saying we don't know who it is. His own family knows who it is. His own family said he's become extreme and they won't admit it. It's like they're trying so hard to blame the conservatives the right any which way to hold on to it. He's on. They have the text messages where he despises Charlie Kirk with his transgender nothing. And you know I googled this like what the name and you can't. AI doesn't even pop up his name right away. They're hiding everything. The media reports, the media stories, just hiding as much as they can. Sick things. I want to go to the cut. I want to go to this last cut here because latter part of the week the late night talk show another one bite the bust he suspended for now. So we don't know if he's gone for good. He should be gone for good because he's really a sick person. The fact that he had to go into the joke on Monday of last week. And watch this. Let's go to cut eight. We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the President is taking this. My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir? I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks, they just started coming. Construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief. Construction, demolition, construction. This is not how an adult grieves the murderer of someone he called a friend. This is how a four year old mourns a goldfish. Okay, so if we didn't April, if we didn't have a fair open social media, Twitter now and Instagram and we were all blocked, he'd still be on there, right? Or if we didn't even have that social media this day, he'd still be on there cracking those jokes. But it shows what a despicable person he is that he could even come up with that. And it's not just him. Think about it. In Hollywood, they probably have 25 writers sitting around early morning to come up with the script. And they all look at it. Not one person said don't do that. This guy just lost his life, his family, the country. And they went ahead and did it. That's how devious they are. So I want to. And Nextstar, which was the one of the station had like 30 some odd stations right away said we don't want him on the air tonight. And then ABC followed. So give me your thoughts. You think they're going to bring him back? And give me your thoughts on Jimmy Kim. We finally got an excuse to say let's suspend them. Give me your thoughts on that one. So I am shocked that this is what it took for the left to start boycotting Disney, abc, ESPN and the whole conglomerate. Not anything that was happening with our children being groomed or anything like that. No, they're more sympathetic for this multimillionaire that has been. He hasn't been funny in a good 10 years. And he's done very offensive stuff in the past that nobody wants to talk about anymore, such as wearing blackface. But that's for another time. I don't think they're bringing him back on the air. I think people are sick to their stomach over this and it just was so evil to speak that way. And he cheerleader and he cheerleaded when Tucker Carlson got fired, Cheerleader when Donald Trump was thrown off of Twitter, everything cheerleaded. Give me your final thoughts on that. The double standard that we have. Give me quick final thoughts on that. Well, I'm just so relieved that we have the social media because the Internet is forever. We're able to pull up these clips from the past that the media would say doesn't exist and hold them accountable. You know, there is a double standard and we're just tired of it. So I'm happy to see there's some sort of change going on and I hope the View will be next, honestly, because they're disgraceful. April, thanks for joining us. See you soon. Thank you again. See you. Thank you. Up last, why the mainstream media is lying about last weekend's big London rally. And we'll talk a little about that and also the big press conference. 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I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. Welcome back to Media Expo. There was a massive rally in London last weekend. It showed global and it even showed global support for Charlie Kirk. That awful situation, awful murder. But his impact reaches far behind just America. Not surprising the mainstream media downplayed this massive rally and the size, the energy, the crowd. It was classic misinformation tactic from the foreign press. Left wing outlets pushed false narratives to discredit the movement. They fear its momentum truth. The rally was peaceful, powerful and filled with patriotic voices in the UK demanding freedom and media misrepresent representation is not one of them. But the people on the ground knew what really happened. The legacy of Charlie Kirk was talked about over there over and over again. Its impact deserve attention. He stood for such values and was fearful. Listen, as defense of free speech this week brought two big hearings in the mainstream media too. That was important about free speech speech. I want to welcome my next guest Jade Warwick with the Warwick Report over from London. Jay, thanks for joining us. Thank you so much for having me, Adam. Jade, I before Tommy Robinson, one of the organizers, you were there as well. It was reported that you know, he says, I interviewed him. He's going to do this big rally and they didn't know how many people he's going to get. And then I saw these videos and I saw this crowd and then I jumped into the media and it was 100,000, 75,000, 150. I said, Tommy, how many did you have? He said, I had Adam 2, 3 million people. You could. I couldn't count the millions of people. And then George, our mutual colleague friend, he put this video together and I want to show the audience this video. Let's go to cut nine and watch this. The biggest protest in British history. The fight's not over. It's just started. Thank you to Elon Musk. He's continued to fight for us, for free speech, as have Donald Trump, as have J.D. barnes. When you voted to save America, you weren't a vote to save America. Okay? Everything you've seen today would never have happened without any vote. It's a vote to save the rest of the. To the under world. Come out of the cupboard, you boys and girls. The fight back is on. We are fighting back. There is a cultural revolution happening. I'm happy, man. God bless Charlie Kirk. Rest in peace, sir. So I wanted to hear someone like you. It was on the ground because when you Google and see the BBC and these other outlets, they almost lead with 22 people got into an argument or fight and it was a small number and they badmouth ultra. Right, so tell us what it was like on the ground, how peaceful it was, how energetic it was. And are these people going to become voters and hopefully things change in the uk. Well, yes, I definitely think that there is this energy that was in the crowd. Everyone was in such a fantastic mood. Tommy had already put out a statement saying, don't drink, don't fight, and people listen to him. From what I saw, everyone was on their best behavior and had a really great time. I do think that they will be voting in any which way that will keep the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom. Because it's not really feeling British. I'm here in London right now and I'm having a hard time recognizing my home country. Oh, that's terrible. I want to go to cut 10 and show you from Sky News reader. She covered it. She brought the Brit Douglas Murray on. I want to watch you. What she. Because she found some people in the audience that they thought they were going to trick and also go to cut 10. Watch. The crowd number there was enormous. But these protests have been variously described by the media. As far right and extremist white nationalist. But let's hear from a couple taking part who challenge those narratives. What's your names? Why are you here today? I'm Anne. That's Andrew, my husband. We want our children to be able to speak without being proceed executed or being arrested. We don't want them to have tweets on X or anything else and being criminalized. For thoughts. I think everybody should be able to speak. And Douglas, let me play you the experience of this next woman, a black woman in a hijab who attended the march expecting to be abused. I'm going to the September 13th protest and seeing how many times I get caught. Go back to Africa. Oh no. Oh no. But let's see what actually happened and what she had to say. After I went to the Tommy Robinson protest on September 13th and it was fine. I also went alone as well. I met my friend like two hours later in central London, but I was by myself and I went straight to the belly of the beast. And I saw nothing but peaceful people, respectful people. I was even interviewing them. I asked them in my last TikTok. They had actually good people. And I knew I shouldn't have been afraid. I was never ever going to be afraid because I grew up with English people, I grew up with white people. And they've been nothing but polite, respectful. That's their culture, you know, politeness. Britishna, you know, the issue is a lot of minority cultures for them have become the predominant culture in areas of the UK like London, Liverpool, Manchester, Luton, to the point that these towns and cities become unrecognizable. She just, they, she wanted to go out and find what the media tells her it's going to be like and she couldn't. She found all these peaceful people and she doesn't recognize exactly what you just said. She doesn't recognize her country anymore. So what the media portrays is not reality. Right. Is that what you saw on the ground as well? Oh yeah, 100%. The left wing media here, which, you know, the BBC is sponsored by the government. It's government run. They want to make the right wing party out to be this demonic creature. And we're not. We just want our, our homes to be safe. We want our country to be great. And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't know why they have such an issue with the right. Yeah. Show this photo. What's this photo? The crowd size to the audience. Look at that. It goes on and on and on and on. It looks like a million people. Just from that view alone. But what you need in the UK is more freedom. And there was a press conference midweek. It was, you know, that the President had, President Trump had with the Prime Minister Keir Starmer. And I believe it was what's from Rebel News, Bev, from Revel News, not Rebel News from GB News. Asked Keir Starmer, he says, you know, 20, I think she said, 22,000 people have been arrested for social media posts. And he said, what are you going to do with this or are you going to. And he just stood there and said, you know, we don't do that. We're a free country, we're open to all. I said, wait, if you're open like America, how come you're not in there? Tommy's not in there. The alternative news media is not in the press conference. Right. They don't allow those alternative media. They don't even allow, they won't even call him media over there. And yes, they are running down people's homes and arresting people for social media. So he's full of it. And I'm glad she asked a question. But, but in that press corps that they had in that press with the President, Trump and Kirstama, they won't have other press to call them out. Maybe that one station and that one question, am I right? Yeah, that's exactly right. They don't want opposing views because then they'd actually have to start thinking about their logic and how it's hypocritical. And yes, they are arresting people. If you look at Graham Linehan, he was just arrested at London Heathrow for three mean tweets that weren't really that mean. I could say a lot worse. Right, so how does this happen in the uk? Such a free society. The President Trump comes in, he gets along so well with the monarch, monarchy, King Charles and William, Prince William and, and the Queen and, and the, you know, but yet you have left wing government that's forcing the ideology on that. And he got a little spat about the Russia too. He wants, he's a big globalist, Keira Starmer, he's just like almost one of his answers, like pushing for war. We got to show military against Russia, we're teaming up together. And Trump said, almost. I saw a question, he said, let's wait a minute. We don't want, we don't want World War three to break out here. So I don't know what people think of him over there. So when is the next election coming up that all these millions of people are Rising up can show their will at the ballot box. When is the next election coming up in the uk? Oh, goodness. I don't know the exact date, but I do think that there will be a huge shift and if you want to call it the red wave of the United Kingdom, I really do believe that will happen. There are EU and UK speech laws, including the Communications act of 2003, the Malicious Communications act of 1988, and there are a couple others. But if something is deemed offensive, you can call the police and the police will go and arrest someone because you found it offensive. That is absolutely ridiculous. And I'm so lucky that I live in America and I'm an American now because I'm protected by the First Amendment. So if I say something that offends someone, which happens every single day, you can't really do anything about it. You just have to grow a pair and hopefully the UK will vote for a constitution. But what happens? We had this awful tragedy in America. Terrible assassination of one of the greatest spokespeople on the Conservative movement. A leader founded amazing group that helps people all across college campuses. And yet the left is still opening their mouth, still vicious. But in America, if free markets work, some of them getting fired, but you know, they don't get canceled, they don't get arrested. Right, they get fired. That's the difference. In America, a boss, an employer could say, you know what, your thoughts are awful, they're not worthy of being working here, but you're fired. But we don't round them up and put them in handcuffs. In the UK they do that. I don't know how they have a law where you can just for offensive statements. And the offensive statements always seem to come on what side? Yeah, no, I, I don't have any issues with my right wing friends. You know, I used to consider myself quite moderate and I had, you know, very interesting discussions with my left wing and my right wing friends. And the left always ended it on an emotional note. And I think that's the difference between, you know, the Conservatives versus the Liberals is they are extremely emotional and they don't know how to control it. Whereas I can have a disagreement with my far right friends. And we're going to have fun after and we're going to have a good time. I think that's the key difference, actually. Jade, I want to thank you for joining us. I really appreciate it and we'll see you soon. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Word from our partner sponsor at hotel plan. Are you frustrated with how confusing it is these days? To find and book a good hotel for yourself, your family or for large group events. Our friends at hotel have a cutting edge hotel booking platform, easy to navigate, is AI powered and has over 1.4 million global properties available across all categories. They've been in the business for more than 20 years. If you call their representative line you will speak to real life human. Not a chat but Hotel planner. High tech. High tech. Go to Hotel Planner Today. I want to thank my guest Jade Warwick for joining us, Roger Stone, April Silverman and David Zier and Fran and Aaron for doing a great job in the control room. See you next week on Media Exposed, where we call out the media so you don't have to every week. Thank you for joining us again. 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