MEN FALLING BEHIND: WOMEN OVERTAKE WORKFORCE, INDIANA PRIMARY REACTION | THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show – "Men Falling Behind: Women Overtake Workforce, Indiana Primary Reaction"

Date: May 6, 2026
Host: Charlie Kirk (iHeartPodcasts, Real America’s Voice)
Main Guests/Contributors: Brett Galashevsky, Kurt Schlichter, Helen Andrews, Blake (co-host), Andrew (co-host)
Original Episode Theme:
A double-header of political analysis: a deep dive into the seismic Indiana primary, where anti-Trump Republicans were ousted, and an exploration of the implications of women outnumbering men in the workforce—framing both as signals of a shifting America.

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on two major topics:

1. Indiana Primary Fallout: Analysis of how grassroots conservative activism, Trump allegiance, and Turning Point Action’s effort upended establishment Republicans who opposed Trump’s redistricting plan.
2. Women Overtaking the Workforce: Examining the societal, economic, and cultural consequences as women become the majority of the workforce—a historic shift unpacked with guest Helen Andrews.

The tone is energetic, combative, and celebratory, highlighting both “positive” grassroots mobilizations on the right and concern/critique over the direction of American culture, especially regarding male decline.

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1. Indiana Primary Reaction & the Future of the GOP

Summary of Key Events

[01:25–07:30]

• Indiana GOP Primary Recap: Several long-serving Republican state senators, all of whom opposed Trump’s redistricting push, were defeated by Trump-aligned, Turning Point Action-endorsed challengers.
• Big Takeaway: Crossing Trump means political career suicide for Republicans, echoing a broader pattern nationwide.

  “If you cross Donald Trump and you’re a Republican, your political career is very likely over.” — Unknown Political Commentator (01:48)

• Grassroots Mobilization: Celebrated as evidence of a new, more aggressive conservatism.

Turning Point Action Strategy & Significance

[07:30–14:28]

• Guest: Brett Galashevsky (Turning Point Action National Enterprise Director)

  • TPA was involved in 9 Indiana races; 7/9 wins confirmed, 1 TBD (down by only 3 votes, recount pending).
  • Importance of activist mobilization: “Every single door and every single nook and cranny of the district mattered.” (10:53)
  • Sets a precedent—referenced as “an accountability blast” that would be remembered for years.
  • Quote: “If we get seven out of nine, this is going to be talked about in political science textbooks for decades to come.” (12:45)

• Political Impact:

  • The GOP’s “Overton window” is shifting right—establishment Republicans must adapt or get sidelined.
  • The result could mean more MAGA-friendly legislation and a rerun of the redistricting effort.

Takeaways for the Conservative Movement

[14:28–25:47]

• Blake on Future Strategy: Progress is incremental (“one candidate at a time”) and requires activists to focus locally, not just on federal races.

• Message to GOP: “If you betray your base, if you do not do what the voters want you to do, guess what? There will be consequences.” — Andrew (07:48)

• Kurt Schlichter’s Analysis:

  • “This is an earthquake. ... What happened here was the voters got sick of this nonsense.”
  • Refutes the “Trump cult” narrative: “Donald Trump is our avatar. He is a symbol of our dissatisfaction with the failed pseudo-conservative policies of the past.” (32:14)

• On Accountability Culture:

  • Grassroots accountability is now formalized; can be replicated nationwide.
  • “There is a formula now in place.” — Brett Galashevsky (24:45)

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “This is like crazy. It’s a shot across the bow heard round the world.” — Andrew, on the Indiana results (11:41)
• “We made a promise ... that we were going to primary out these Republican senators that refused to stand with the president.” — Brett Galashevsky (24:45)
• “No, Donald Trump is our avatar ... the voters of Indiana did it because they want to fight back against Democrat nonsense.” — Kurt Schlichter (32:14)

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2. The Changing Workforce: Women Now in the Majority

Statistical Shift and Its Implications

[51:00–54:26]

• Guest: Helen Andrews, author and commentator
  • More women than men are now part of the U.S. workforce—a first in American/Western history (outside of brief recession spikes).
  • “Unprecedented is the only word for it,” says Andrews (51:56)
  • The trend is not temporary: It signals long-term, structural changes.

Analysis of Causes

• Female workforce gains are often “artificial,” driven by legal and cultural incentives (affirmative action, anti-discrimination lawsuits) rather than market-on-merit competition.
  • “Companies hire women they otherwise wouldn’t ... because the law incentivizes it.” — Helen Andrews (54:26)
  • Corporate fear of lawsuits leads to overcorrection, sidelining men.

Consequences on Marriage, Birth Rate, and Social Fabric

• Pairing/Mating Crisis: Women tend to avoid marrying men who earn less or are less educated.

  • “If we live in a country where more women have jobs than men, that spells disaster for marriage rates, birth rates, and the long-term sustainability of our society.” — Helen Andrews (53:41)

• Economic Policy Feedback Loop: Student debt and government policies (loan forgiveness, nonprofit sector proliferation) exacerbate the gap.

Liberalism, Feminism, and Societal Destabilization

• Feminist ideologies and “woke” workplace environments are portrayed as creating dissatisfaction and breakdown.

  • Andrew: “Feminist lies ... is one of the existential threats to Western civilization.” (57:10)

• Women, on average, have become more liberal while men have stayed stable ideologically, leading to a potential long-term fertility gap (conservative women having more children than liberals).

• Andrews on Self-Correction: Liberalism as a “self-extinguishing philosophy” due to its own demographic decline (64:38).

Solutions and Prescriptions

• Focus on supporting marriage and birth rates by encouraging policies that help men succeed and women to “lean out” professionally when desired.
• Systemic fixes needed in education, workforce, and culture to remedy incentives.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s an ideology that can’t reproduce itself, quite literally.” — Helen Andrews (64:38)
• “Women have gotten everything they were told to want, and it’s making them miserable and bitter.” — Andrew (59:25)

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3. California Politics, National Trends, and Other Highlights

Kurt Schlichter and CA Gubernatorial Primaries

[42:42–49:02]

• California’s far-left direction is critiqued; Schlichter notes that progressive incentives have made the state “ungovernable.”
  • “There's no bottom to this ... better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.” — Kurt Schlichter (44:30)
• Despite optimism, he and Blake agree that winning in California is a long-term, uphill battle: “Hilton's gonna get creamed ... but that's not blackpilling. This is going to be a long fight.” (49:02)

Reflections on Trump’s Legacy & the Conservative Mindset

• The Overton window is shifting; the “black pill” (doom and gloom) attitude is challenged.

  • “If you let your morale sink, you’re going to be defeated. ... Look at the points we're putting on the scoreboard.” — Kurt Schlichter (37:08)

• Successes Cited: Progress on immigration, DEI rollbacks, and Supreme Court victories are celebrated as signs the movement is winning.

Discussion of Ted Turner’s Legacy

[68:59–76:50]

• Reflections on the life and character of Ted Turner, as a quintessential larger-than-life American tycoon with wild stories (competed and crashed into his then-wife’s yacht, owned CNN, Braves, repopularized bison, etc.).
• Trump’s eulogy: “Whenever I needed him, he was there, always willing to fight for a good cause.”

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Key Timestamps and Notable Segments

• 01:25 – Discussion of Indiana senators' defeat for crossing Trump
• 07:30 – Celebration and nuts-and-bolts of Turning Point Action’s involvement
• 12:45 – Turning Point’s “accountability blast” and the macro-political shift
• 24:45 – Blueprint for grassroots conservative accountability
• 31:21 – Kurt Schlichter’s critique of the “old” GOP and misreadings of the primary
• 51:00 – Helen Andrews segment: women overtake men in workforce (main discussion)
• 54:26 – Legal and policy factors behind female workforce rise
• 62:04 – Solutions for the “marriage crisis” and future fix
• 64:38 – How ideology and demography intersect; Andrews on “self-extinguishing” liberalism
• 68:59 – Ted Turner segment: cultural reflections
• 76:50 – Closing reflections on Americana, tycoons, and Trump

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Conclusion & Episode Tone

The episode combines victory laps over right-populist wins and biting critiques of cultural change, especially the “feminization” of institutions. The hosts advocate for relentless activism, express frustration with “gentlemanly losers,” and see the current political era as one defined by populist ascent and cultural inflection points.

Representative Closing Quote:

“This is why we ultimately have a special place in our heart for President Trump. He’s kind of that—maybe Trump is the last of a breed.” — Andrew (76:50)

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For New Listeners:

You’ll come away with a sense of accelerating change both in the Republican Party—where base voters now exercise real veto over establishment figures—and in American society at large, where gender shifts in the workplace and cultural liberalism are redefining longstanding norms, for better or worse, depending on your perspective.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Kurt Schlichter]

Eight senators who defied him and helped defeat his redistricting effort there last year. The Republicans who have served for nearly 20 years each one of them who lost, voted against the President's redistricting plan last December. It was a dramatic campaign.

[Andrew]

Millions of dollars spent and the White

[Kurt Schlichter]

House is winning this revenge war, if you will tonight.

[Unknown Political Commentator]

If you cross Donald Trump and you're a Republican, your political career is very likely over. Look, the United States is littered with politicians who opposed him as Republicans and their careers effectively ended. I struggle to think of somebody who was high profile, challenged him and maintained their place in office. And this is something this redistricting in Indiana has been a goal of the White House's for over a year. The President was talking to Governor Braun. They had plans of their way to get this going. So those, those state senators who oppose it really got in the way of a core part of Donald Trump's sort of midterm strategy, trying to boost Republicans. So it, it tells you if you cross him, your career is over. Even if you voted with him 98% of the time.

[Charlie Kirk]

How do you feel?

[Andrew]

Well, I have one lesson for people. Revenge and retribution is not a Christian value. And that's was all about and I'm

[Unknown Political Commentator]

not bitter about it, it's just a fact. And there's Life after serving in the Indiana Senate.

[Brett Galashevsky]

And I'm going to find out what that's like.

[Unknown Political Commentator]

He's the boss of the party. I think Melissa stated it very well. He calls the shots in the Republican Party, and if you go against that, he will pour his wrath out upon you and doesn't typically turn out well. Go against Trump in a primary and you wind up in the grinder. And that's what happened in Indiana. Thomas Massie is the one congressional Republican has been the biggest thorn in Donald Trump's side. They have poured millions into that race. And a lot of people are wondering, could he withstand a challenge from a Trump back challenger there?

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[Unknown Political Commentator]

Indiana tonight and you're Thomas Massie tonight, or you're anybody else in a primary right now where Trump's on the other side of you, you got to be thinking this. This is a bad night for me.

These Republicans in Indiana, you probably don't agree with them on much. I don't agree with them on much in terms of their policies, but they knew it was coming. If they stood up to Trump. They stood up to him anyways. I just wonder how different our country and our politics could be if more Republicans had that in them.

And I do believe a different kind of politics is possible. Look, Democrats are always going to disagree with Republicans. I'm always going to disagree on a lot of issues with Republicans. But if we're all actually talking about what we believe in, that is better than Republicans repeatedly having to feel pressure to either lose their career or do something wrong because the president is demanding it of them.

[Andrew]

It's always down to race. And I hate to say this because I don't want to inflame it, but I'm gonna call it out because that's what it is. Yes. You know, look, when, when they have

[Blake]

this, this, this theory of white replacement.

[Brett Galashevsky]

Yes, that's exactly what they're doing.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Right.

[Brett Galashevsky]

They're saying, oh, no, no, no, we're

[Andrew]

for this and this and crime. And they'll throw all these other things to dance around.

[Kurt Schlichter]

The true issue is there's too many

[Blake]

brown and black people in this country.

[Helen Andrews]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I think it's time to see the choir part out loud. The fashion industry is unlikely to book or pay black, trans, feminine and or physically disabled models to do Runway editorial and, or campaign because of an absence of whiteness.

[Unknown Questioner/Moderator]

All right, can I. There's no way I can figure out who to call on. I'm just gonna, like, press right in the middle right there.

[Andrew]

You right there.

[Unknown Questioner/Moderator]

Yeah, in the back road.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Thank you, Mr. President.

[Unknown Questioner/Moderator]

I'll go to you next. All right, go ahead.

[Unknown Announcer]

I have two questions on two separate issues that come.

[Unknown Questioner/Moderator]

They got two questions for these two questions. There's a lot of people in here. Well, you answer. You can ask me two questions. I'll give you one answer.

[Andrew]

Thank you very much.

[Unknown Questioner/Moderator]

And I'll pick the one I like better. The operation that has concluded is going to destroy their navy. They have no navy. They don't. Not a navy. They have small boats and Boston Whalers, but they don't have a navy. They don't have an Air Force. Operation was over. Epic fury as president noticed by Congress. We're done with that stage of it. We're now on to this project of freedom. This is a defensive operation. What that means is very simple. There's no shooting unless we're shot at first. Okay, we're not attacking them. But if they're attacking us or they're attacking a ship, you need to respond to that. But it's defensive in nature. So if you hear stories about attacks and launching of firing back and forth. It's not back and forth. We are only responding if attacked first.

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[Brett Galashevsky]

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[Andrew]

All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I am on location in our nation's capital. Blake's holding it down in the Y Refi studio. How we doing, Blake?

[Blake]

We're doing great.

[Andrew]

It's.

[Blake]

It's probably the last day before Phoenix becomes an oven for four months or so, but it's mid May, we made it pretty far.

[Andrew]

And it's raining. It's raining in D.C. this morning, which was an abrupt change. You said it was raining in Phoenix yesterday, which was untrue. We got lots to get to. We got lots to get to. What a night it was. Indeed. And it's time to celebrate the grassroots. It's time to celebrate the base conservatives that turned out and sent a very loud message across the country to RINO betrayal Republicans all over the country. If you betray your base, if you do not do what the voters want you to do, guess what? There will be consequences. And there's a lot of storylines going along, going around about what this means and what it doesn't mean. I think most of them are missing the really big obvious point here, but whatever, we're going to get to that in just a second. So throw up. 141. As a huge congratulations to Blake Fitcher, Jeff Ellington, Michelle Davis, Jay Starkey, Trevor DeVries, Dr. Brian Schmoltzer, and Tracy Powell. They are Turning Point Action endorsed candidates that have won their elections. And yes, we do have Brett just about to join us. So they won over their incumbents. Obviously, the incumbents refused to do the redistricting and voters didn't like that so much. And so Turning Point Action was on the ground in Indiana, working hard and door knocking, canvassing, getting out the vote. Here to help us explain what went down and why it happened is Brett Galashevsky. He's our national enterprise director. Turning Point Action. Brett, welcome back to the show, my friend.

[Brett Galashevsky]

Hey, Andrew. Hey, Blake. Thanks for having me on. We get to celebrate a little bit this morning.

[Andrew]

Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so, Brett, we are. Tell us exactly where we're at right now because there's a little bit in flux. We had endorsed nine candidates at Turning Point Action. We now can confirm seven of the nine got over the finish line. One is. Was a loss, a narrow loss, but one tbd. So walk us through what we know and what the status is.

[Brett Galashevsky]

Yeah, absolutely. So exactly like you said, Andrew, we endorsed or were heavily involved in nine total races. We know that we have Seven for sure. The one that we're waiting on right now is a woman that we endorse named Paula Copenhaver. This is in Senate District 23. This is where Purdue University is. This is a big part of. Of kind of east central Indiana, just north of the Indianapolis suburbs. Right now, as it stands, our endorsed candidate lost by three votes. However, we believe that there's enough outstanding provisional ballots in the ether for us to be able to compete, especially after an automatic machine in hand recount. So three votes right now, as it stands.

[Andrew]

Three. So. So not 300, not 3,000. Three. Three votes. Okay, go ahead.

[Brett Galashevsky]

So if you guys would have told me and think about it, like, if you think some of the activists that were involved in that effort or some of the people that maybe had a big impact on the race would have known ahead of time that this race was going to be decided by three votes, that they would have gone into it with a little bit different of a mindset. Of course they would have. So that's really the message that the grassroots should really take out of that effort, is these races really come down to every single door and every single nook and cranny of the district. Take this race, learn from it, nationally speaking. But we think that we can run through the tape here over the next couple days, especially after the recount hopefully goes in our favor. So if that happens, guys, that's eight of nine races. That's basically running the table. That's the ultimate accountability blast that we were hoping to get out of this.

[Andrew]

So I talked to with Tyler Boyer earlier in the day yesterday, and I said, okay, Tyler, define what you guys want as success. What would you be happy with? He's like, listen, if we got four out of eight, like pretty solid, okay, like that shows that we've made a huge dent. He's like five out of eight. We're in massive success stories. Six out of eight. We're ecstatic this morning. We got seven out of. We say eight or nine. There's one. One we endorse or worked in, but didn't endorse, but it's fine. So if we get. If we got seven wins, then that. This is like crazy. It's a shot across the bow heard round the world. It really is a big, big moment in conservative politics. So two questions here, and it doesn't matter how you answer them, but one, what are the consequences politically in a sense that what can we now get accomplished when it comes to redistricting and when in the state of Indiana? And two, what do you think the lesson is for establishment Republicans?

[Brett Galashevsky]

Yeah, I think the message for establishment Republicans is that for the first time, you're really starting to see some kind of on the ground effort pair up with the accountability measures that we have in place at major organizations like Turning Point Action. I kind of joked before yesterday that I said, you know, hey, if we get seven, seven out of nine, this is going to be talked about in political science textbooks for decades to come. It's the ultimate accountability blast. You know, Trump says it himself FA fo that that's kind of what we were able to do. I say that tongue in cheek, but that's really what we were able to do in Indiana. So on a macro level, I really think that this sends a big signal to the rest of the conservative movement that the Overton window is shifting significantly to the right. And if you're an establishment Republican that is refusing to adapt to the new brand of conservatism or just refusing to really stand up and fight for our president, that's really what it came down to in Indiana, a state filled with MAGA conservatives ran by Republican MAGA haters, that you are going to be left behind, that there will be an effort putting boots on the ground and maximum money and resources in place to protect the MAGA movement. So specifically in Indiana, just to kind of wrap up the answer to that question, Andrew, the Indiana Senate, as it stands right now, has 40 Republicans and 10 Democrats. We couldn't even get 18 Republicans to vote in favor of the nine redistricting map. So we have a fresh opportunity now to try that again with some reinforcements, some really conservative reinforcements that love President Trump and understand the broader scale of things now in there in the state legislature. So. So we will leave no stone unturned when it comes to a redo in Indiana.

[Andrew]

That's amazing. Blake, you often, and we both do, but you specifically about how deep red states are not conservative enough. What do you think this means to the future of the Republican Party?

[Blake]

Well, we also say every, every bit of progress is happening one candidate at a time that people have been around a long time generally are more frustrating, they're more embedded. We've also talked about the need to just take a big, take a national, take a statewide view of your state, because we've been frustrated. When Charlie was campaigning in Nebraska a couple years ago, he complained about it so much, how they're all very fixated on their Nebraska rivalries, their beefs with other members of their party. And I think we saw a similar thing in Indiana there's all these dramas, all these personality clashes that none of us are familiar with, none of us want to be familiar with. And most voters don't either. What they want is lawmakers who are going to deliver what they care about. And you know, we debated whether it was smart to do the whole, you know, start the redistricting fight. But this is a good example where once it happened, once Democrats were responding to it on their end, you just had a moral obligation to get aboard. Otherwise it was just, it was quitting on your team. Voters don't want Republicans who quit on the team, period.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And I think there's a lot of these deep red states that are filled with MAGA hating politicians and we've been overlooking this problem in the movement for too long and that just changed. And so a huge shout out to Tim Saylor who's running data for Team Trump, James Blair, and of course, our turning point action team on the ground that was doing so much canvassing. A lot of, lot of victory to go around here. And so we love, we love spreading it out. I want to tell you guys about StrongCell. StrongCell.com amazing, amazing supplement. I unfortunately forgot it. Blake, do not give me too hard of a time. I forgot it on this trip. So I'm without. So when I get back in the office, I'm going to be like taking two for a couple of days. I can't tell you to do that. But this is why you're getting sick.

[Blake]

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[Brett Galashevsky]

Yeah, absolutely. I think that right now you're seeing in a lot of these states, like you had mentioned, complacency. And I think we believe at turning point action, this was something that Charlie had always instilled in us at TPA and all of our staff members, that when you are complacent, you lose. The movement is changing. I said this in the last segment. The Overton window is shifting further to the right. And we have a generational opportunity to really double down on our commitment to the conservative movement by not just focusing on the 10 or 12 swing states that were already involved, that are going to be at the forefront of effort every election cycle, but those deep red states where we can rack the score up in and really allow for super conservative policies to come up to the surface. I'll put it to you this way. I don't have a problem with leftist states going hard in the paint in states that they have massive control of. Take California, for instance. Take obviously what happened in Virginia. The big caveat, the big if there is. If super red states like Indiana, like Alabama, which we'll see some movement there, also do the same thing. You have to win these little redistricting battles. There's so much at stake.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And I just think there's a lot of old blood that has to get purged and filtered out. As Blake said, it's election by election, race by race. We see this at the U.S. senate. We see it sometimes in the House. Maybe not as aggressively or as quickly as any of us would want, but that's the way democracy, constitutional republic works, is these changes happen slowly. The whole form of government is actually designed to repel, you know, violent shifts in politics and the political passions of the people. So if something is worthwhile, and I believe that conservative populism, nationalism is worthwhile, you're going to. It's going to take cycle after cycle to start doing this on the state level, though, is something that we have not focused on nationally as a conservative movement. And it feels like this was a huge, huge breakthrough for the movement to show that it can be done. And by the way, did you guys see The Indy star was trying to say, like it wasn't going to work out and, you know, what are they going to do? What's Turning Point going to do after we lose all these races? So people were trying to make us a boogeyman. They were trying to make us set us up for failure. That did not happen. As a matter of fact, the exact opposite. All right, Blake, Blake, Brett, this is to you. So David Axelrod basically said, this is why good Republicans don't fight Trump. They're too afraid of Trump. And I think that is the exact wrong lesson to glean from what happened last night in Indiana. This felt like it had less to do with Trump and more to do about the sense of betrayal that average conservatives feel when they're voting for their elected leaders. Do you agree or disagree with my take, Blake? I'll throw it to you 100%.

[Blake]

I mean, they've gotten used to a lot of frustrations with elected leaders. And this is, it becomes a, this is a symbolic thing and it's also a thing that just stood out. Was it them pitted against Trump?

[Andrew]

Sure.

[Blake]

But the reason they were, this was successful was Trump was able to come. President Trump was able to come out and say, this is a way to improve our chances of keeping the House. This is a way for us to improve our chances of having longer term success on the border on DEI, on everything I campaigned on in 2024, if you do this, it will help achieve the things that you are voting on. And they just looked at it and said, we don't want to do it. And they didn't have a strong argument for that. They didn't have a good case for it. And on top of that, they tried to verbally spar with the president. And I think we all know once people start verbally sparring with the president, it makes people mad. They end up bashing their voters, they end up bashing his supporters. Well, most Republicans support the Republican president. And so they just, they clown themselves over and over. And it's unfortunate we've seen this happen over and over over the past decade where there are these Republicans who posture themselves as the anti Trump faction. And we've seen the pattern play out over and over again that eventually these people just become Democrats, they become liberals, they start hating on the cause that they were supposedly champions of. And people have noticed this trend and they think, why do we want these guys around? They seem to not have our interests at heart. They seem to not like us. They seem to be taking us for a ride.

[Brett Galashevsky]

Well, and To Blake's point, there's two parts to being a conservative activist. There's knocking doors and putting in the work, chasing votes until your knuckles bleed. That's super important. But then there's the second part to being a conservative activist. And I would argue this is the more important of the two, holding our conservative elected officials accountable. And if anything from last night can be proven, it's that there is a formula now in place. We made a commitment to Indiana. We made a promise on December 5 that we were going to follow through on primary out these Republican senators that refused to stand with the president. We loved working with the Trump team on that. They really captained the ship. But now we showed that at least at Turning Point Action, we can replicate this all over the country. That at any moment's notice, at the drop of a hat, we can bring in dozens of field staff from around the country who understand what chasing votes, electioneering, and providing a dose of accountability looks like. Today is a great day for the conservative movement when you think of it in that or through that lens.

[Andrew]

Well, and in our final 30 seconds, I just want to say, congratulations, Brett, to you and the team. You guys mobilized, you kicked into gear, you got bodies in the field, you got staff that knew what they were doing, that have been trained in this system now for years, and they worked with local activists and they got to work knocking doors, working with volunteer groups and local groups, and, man, what a difference it made. This is a big moment, and I think it will mark a huge shift in the future of the conservative movement across the country. Congratulations, Brett, and the Turning Point Action Team. We'll be right back with Kurt Schlichter,

[News Reporter]

Terrence Bates, President Trump and the first lady are preparing to celebrate Military Mother's Day at the White House. Here's a live look at the room where all of this is set to take place at any minute now. We, of course, will take you there live as this celebration goes on. Again, the president and first lady both expected to offer up remarks, or at very least the president. In the meantime, across town on Capitol Hill, Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick behind closed doors with members of the House Oversight Committee. Right now, he's testifying as part of the committee's investigation into Jeffrey Epstein. The questioning is happening in a private session, but there's lots of interest in what Lutnick may know or have been involved in. He's come under fire for conflicting accounts of his relationship, or lack thereof, with Epstein. From saying that he never met the man to most recently admitting to a passing interaction with the child predator. Questions still remain.

[Unknown Political Commentator]

We haven't talked to too many people that have admitted they've been on the island. So it's my understanding he wasn't on the island very long when he was there with his wife and kids. But we'll see what he says.

[Andrew]

It's pretty extraordinary to bring in a

[Unknown Political Commentator]

cabinet secretary or something like this.

Yeah. And look, I've been on the oversight committee 10 years and there's never been a chairman bring in cabinet secretaries of their own party. And we have Lutnick coming in today. We have Pam Bondi coming in a couple of weeks. So I think people can see that this is a bipartisan investigation. We're really sincerely trying to get the truth. Our goal is to provide just justice for the victims and hopefully today will be helpful.

[News Reporter]

President Trump and five Indiana state Senate candidates that he backed in Tuesday's primary there are celebrating victory this morning. In all, the commander in chief took aim at 7 Republican Hoosier State state senators after they opposed his call for the state to redraw voting districts. Tuesday. The president exacted his revenge on most of them as five of the seven candidates he backed to unseat those candidates won their primaries. As of late last night, one of the races was too close to call and one incumbent actually won elsewhere. Former president, former presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy won his primary and heads to November's general election for Ohio governor,

[Brett Galashevsky]

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[Unknown Announcer]

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[Andrew]

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[Kurt Schlichter]

Well, thanks for having me. By popular demand, huh? Usually the popular debate is for my head.

[Andrew]

Wow. So

[Blake]

we'll see by the end of the segment.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly. Depends how you perform here, Kurt. So I actually had a family member send me your latest column. We're gonna get to that in just a second. No black pilling. Okay, but first of all, you had a great tweet last night about the lesson that we should take out of Indiana and how all the rhinos are gonna take the wrong lesson. Explain your thoughts, Kurt Schlichter.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Look, what happened last night is being misconstrued by our opponents. A bunch of Republicans, about eight of them, decided that they weren't going to fight fire with fire, that they were going back to the old beautiful loser model of the early 2000s where Republicans preside in a gentlemanly fashion over the destruction of our country. But sensibly, of course, because you wouldn't want to. Yeah, you wouldn't want to actually engender any conflict. The voters of Indiana tossed, it looks like six of them out and maybe a seventh of the folks who refused district.

[Andrew]

Yes. I mean, there's seven. Seven, and then there's an eight that we have hopes that she's currently down by three votes, but there's enough provisional ballots. We think there's a path.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Yeah, we do and we hope so. No, I think in the last 20 years, maybe one Republican state legislator lost his primary in Indiana. So this is an earthquake. And what our opponents are saying is, well, it just shows that you're cult like in favor of Trump. You'll do whatever he says because you're sheep. I'm not here to correct people's misunderstood, especially my enemies misunderstanding things. What happened here was the voters got sick of this nonsense. It has. You know, we're continually told that Donald Trump is our leader and that we worship him. No, Donald Trump is our avatar. He is a symbol of our dissatisfaction with the failed pseudo conservative policies of the past that Donald Trump. Trump brought attention to. It probably helped get people out in kind of a. A midterm primary. That's usually not, you know, super, super well attended. But the voters in Indiana didn't do this because Trump told them to. The voters of Indiana did it because they want to fight back against Democrat nonsense.

[Andrew]

So I have to play this clip. I'm loathe to do it, but it perfectly encapsulates what the Democrats are saying. Oh, we miss the gentlemanly losers that the Republicans used to be, and we hope that they get back there at some point. 7.

[Unknown Political Commentator]

These Republicans in Indiana, you probably don't agree with them on much. I don't agree with them on much in terms of their policies, but they knew what was coming if they stood up to Trump. They stood up to him anyways. I just wonder how different you think our country and our politics could be if more Republicans had that in them.

And I do believe a different kind of politics is possible. Look, Democrats are always going to disagree with Republicans. I'm always going to disagree on a lot of issues with Republicans. But if we're all actually talking about what we believe in, that that is better than Republicans repeatedly having to feel pressure to either lose their career or do something wrong because the president is demanding it of them.

[Andrew]

All right, I got to. I got to give it to Blake because I just have a feeling he's got something on.

[Blake]

Well, I'm already feeling aggressed because we know Buttigieg wants to run for president, and he's clearly calculated that if he grows facial hair, that will undo whatever weaknesses he had in 2020 and allow him to run. And, you know, dialing back on. Dialing back on some of the other bits of his personality that didn't quite work out as much. And I'm just. I'm just dreading. I'm just dreading 2028's Democrat primary already. But it will be entertaining. It will be entertaining.

[Andrew]

Well, you know, I will tell you, Steve Hilton with a beard is. Is giving off gubernatorial vibes. It's all I'm saying. Sometimes the beard can help. It works on you, Blake. Kurt, you can react to that if you want. The floor is yours.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Well, look, Pete Buttigieg's facial hair status is probably the least offensive thing about him. I want to hear his advice about as much as I want to review his browser history. That is not at all. I do think it is interesting that he's setting out a pat where he essentially says, yeah, I would like Republicans that continually fail and defer to us. Well, I'd like Democrats to do that, too, but I'm not getting that or a pony for my birthday. Here's the news flash, Pete. It's a different Republican Party than it was 10 years ago. And it's the kind of guys you idolize whose fault it is. But that's okay. I think politics are a game where you play to win. Finally, Republicans are stepping up to bat and not swinging and missing well.

[Andrew]

And you know what? You know, there's been. And we're going to get to this now because you wrote this great column in town hall. How can even Black Bill, image 133. If you want to throw it up, how can you even black bill. I read it and you know what it did for me, Kurt, is it reminded me of some things. It reminded me that the murder rate is the lowest it's been since 1900. It reminded me about a lot of the wins that we're actually having today. We're seeing that a, the FBI is raiding a Virginia state legislator who was one of the champion of their redistricting plan to go 10 1. She was calling her own US senators in that state cucks, quote, unquote. That's what she was calling them because they were cautioning about the redistricting plan. So now she's getting. The FBI, is raiding her offices and her home. So that's happening. The point I'm making is it reminded me that, you know, while people sometimes get frustrated with the Iran war or what have you, President Trump deserves so much credit for instilling this backbone into the movement where we actually fight back for once. Tell us about your column and why you wrote it.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Well, look, I'm an Army officer at heart, and if you start and if you let your morale sink, you're going to be defeated. Okay? I'm never going to. I'm always going to look for the positive. I'm always going to look for the next opportunity, the next place to attack. And I don't understand these folks, Andrew, who get out there and tell us we're doomed, it's all over. Hey, we've taken some big hits. We've lost people. But we can't give up. We're winning. Look at the points we're putting on the scoreboard. Okay, I just looked at my phone. The market is up 500 points. That's tens of millions of Americans whose retirement just got fatter. Yeah, gas prices are a little high. Heck, I'm in California. I hardly notice since it's always so high. But all around the map, we are, we are scoring. We have revitalized NATO. Venezuela is gone. Cuba's going to be. And so is Iran. That, you know, this whole Iran thing, I've been, I was in high school when the Iran thing started. This has been a festering store for 50 years, and it looks like President Trump is on the way to solving it. We are getting rid of the climate hoax stuff. We are getting rid of DEI and equity and all that kind of racist nonsense. Just the other day, the Supreme Court came out and said, no, you, you don't have to reserve districts for black Democrats. Everybody can compete for every district. It's win after win after win. And if you're asking for 100%, that's unrealistic. Look at baseball. If someone was batting.800, he would be the greatest baseball player of all time. Okay. Trump's batting about eight.

[Andrew]

Otherworldly.

[News Reporter]

Yeah.

[Blake]

And speaking of Iran on its way to solve, we have, we have breaking reports that they allegedly are close to a deal that would remove enriched uranium to be shipped to the U.S. this is what President Trump is claiming. We are hopeful. We will hope that that comes through. We know there have been many false charts there, but, yeah, it's on so many fronts. Like, people, there's clearly people who are addicted to despair. They're. They're addicted to black pilling. It's often, it's. It's almost like watching a sad movie. You get like an emotional high from feeling betrayed and angry and screaming on the Internet. And it's often harder to accept. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. You have to keep working hard anyway. And that's often why the most successful left wing movements are like that. The left, actually, they don't win all the time. They take a lot of losses and they just keep moving. If you want a great example on our side, the Pro Life movement. The Pro Life movement, it took 50 years to overturn Roe. We had a lot of losses at the Supreme Court. We had a lot of losses at the state level, a lot of losses at the ballot box. And they just had to do the very tedious hard work of just getting up and going every single time before we got the Dobbs ruling a few years ago. And then it's still more work after that. Over and over my favorite example of how much things have changed. The other day on Truth Social, the president was just posting stats of what's the lifetime tax contribution of immigrants by where they come from. Some places it's really good. Some it's really bad. And you just think we've come so far from a decade ago when he would just say we shouldn't let people in from crappy countries and everyone lost their minds. It's how can you black pill? There's so much progress to be had if you bother to look for it.

[Andrew]

I predict. We gotta take a quick break here. Kurt, I would've loved to get your feedback, but. But the Overton window is shifting powerfully in our direction. I think we are genuinely on the precipice of getting real immigration reform, getting enough people in positions of power to get that across. Anyways, I want to tell you guys about all family pharmacy. Man. I could use some of their daily maintenance meds. I tell you that right now, traveling. But that's all right. You do not want to be reactive in your health care. You don't want to get sick and then go to the doctor. You want to be prepared in advance. That's what all family pharmacy can do for you. A licensed physician will review your request and your medication ships straight to your door. They offer antibiotics, antivirals, tamiflu, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, mebenzazole, methylene blue, even your daily maintenance medications and so much more. So whatever it is you need, check out allfamilypharmacy.com Kirk use promo code KIRK10 at checkout to save 10%. That's Kirk10. Go to allfamilypharmacy.comKirk use promo code KIRK10 to save 10 on your next order. More with Kurt Schlichter on the other side of this break. All right, welcome back to the Y Refi Studios. I'm at the remote. Why refi Studios in D.C. blake's holding it down in Phoenix. Kurt, I don't know if you're in California or Texas, but it gets into our next topic here again, everybody, check out Kurt's column at Town hall. It was amazing, but there was a California gubernatorial debate last night and it was just something else. You are a longtime California resident and I have. I have to believe that you were watching intently. Kurt, I'm going to play a couple clips here just because, you know, why not? How about SOT 16?

[Brett Galashevsky]

Congresswoman Porter, your thoughts on the idea of funding health care for undocumented immigrants statewide.

[Andrew]

Yes, yes.

[Kurt Schlichter]

And that's, by the way, what I think Californians deserve as answers to these questions.

[Andrew]

Well, if you're going to let in a bunch of illegals and built the system, then probably you do deserve that. But Katie Porter has got to be the most unlikable candidate in the field, and that's saying something. Kurt, what do you make of the field and how it's shaping up?

[Kurt Schlichter]

Well, Katie Porter strikes me as one of those aggressively stupid, middle aged, divorce second grade teachers who make all her kids celebrate Kwanzaa. She's just, she's just an appalling person. But, but I will give her credit. She's honest. Yes. People, yes, you hardworking taxpayers of California should give your money to people who shouldn't be here just because, because you deserve that. Now, does she hate the people of California? I think she hates some of us. I am in California right now. Can you feel the ennui? But it's, you know, I would love to tell you that there's a bottom to this, but there's no bottom. You know how drunks hit bottom and they finally say, I got to get myself together. I'm going to die. No more alcohol. That doesn't work for leftists because they don't react to the same incentives we do. You know, you and I would think, oh, well, let's, let's make a prosperous, secure state where people can function and grow to their potential. And the leftist is, no, let's have a place where I'm in charge. Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven. And that's kind of what you got in California.

[Andrew]

Well, I totally agree. It's, you know, living in California is really what radicalized me because I realized the progressive mindset essentially results in an ungovernable state or situation because you're incentivized to give more and more stuff to more and more victims.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And eventually nobody's willing to say no to anybody. And it just creates this feeding frenzy and the producers, the productive people in your society get hit. This was a wild moment. You know, they say that former HHS secretary Javier Becerra is now surging. That's the new word. They're so desperate to find a lead dog in this pack that now they're saying Becerra, who is grossly incompetent and has a terrible track record at hhs, is now surging. They want him to be the guy. Problem is, he's awful at it.

[Unknown Announcer]

Saudi teen Everyone knows that Trump campaigned in 2024 talking about lost kids when there were no such thing as lost kids. To hear these candidates now talk about that, if they're so concerned, why haven't they taken any action to find these lost kids? I think it's shameful for people to use Trump lies to try to gain favor with voters when you know it's not true. Use the facts. We should have a governor who relies on the facts.

[Andrew]

That goes on. So they cut it a little earlier than I was hoping. That goes on for Tony Villaragosa. He goes by Antonio, by the way. His original name is Tony Villar. He changed it to become mayor of la. People don't know this to Antonio Villaragosa. Really, really. Shame, shame, shameless stuff there. But he goes, no. These numbers were verified in the New York Times. This is not a Trump attack. You lost hundreds of thousands of migrant kids. And my whole point is, don't elect this man. He needs to be prosecuted. Him and Alejandro Mayorkas for crimes against humanity. Your thoughts on Javier Becerra?

[Kurt Schlichter]

Well, I mean, he's well known for being stupid and a liar, and ironically, he's probably the least offensive of the Democrats. Katie Porter, the woman who poured hot potatoes on her husband's head, or Tom Steyer, the billionaire climate hoax lunatic. I think they're even worse. Becerra will just shut himself up in the office and hide. So he, he's the, he's the least worst of them, and he's terrible. I mean, it's an outright lie that there were no lost children. The, the cartels were shipping kids in here. The kids would get brought in and, of course, released by the Biden administration and released to whoever came to get them. And off they went into child labor, into prostitution, into other forms of trafficking. It was a disgrace. And, you know, I think it's fully on brand for the Democrats to simply lie and say, no, it never happened. Well, it happened, and it's all on you.

[Andrew]

So, Blake, I'll bring you in for this, too. You know, we knew this when Swalwell got pushed out of the race, that that was actually a net negative for this jungle primary system where we might have had two Republicans at the top. Chad Bianco, Steve Hilton. Is there any hope here? I mean, we've got Voter ID is on the ballot. That's going to generate a lot of enthusiasm with the base. Is there any hope that Steve Hilton, who's currently leading in the polls by all metrics, to actually pull this off? I know we're going to have him on probably later this week. I know he's going to say yes. What say you guys?

[Blake]

I mean, we'll fight for him. We obviously, it's too big of a state to not contest it. You never know what will happen. But Charlie was always one for realism. We need to also be realistic here. Not because we want to be defeatist, we're not blackpilling, but we do need to make sure, think about how Turning Point Action allocates its resources. Where we want to build the red wall, we want to shift those slightly red states to be deep red, we want to shift those purple states to be slightly red. And the truth is, California is a state that President Trump lost by 20 points, 3.2 million votes in 2024. It is a state that's getting bluer by the year because anyone who's not on board with that insanity is leaving. It's going to be a huge lift. I would never say never because there's a lot of ineptitude. And as we saw with Swalwell, there seems to be no rock bottom to the behavior of the top Democrats. So we can easily imagine one of them having a really bad scandal that, that they can't survive politically. But we want to be realistic here, too. It's going to be a very, very tough climb.

[Kurt Schlichter]

Final minute, Hilton's gonna get creamed. And I don't. Hilton's gonna get creamed. I don't like to say it. I like Steve Hilton. He's a solid guy, he'd be a good governor. But there are just too many Democrats here and that's not Blackpooling. This is going to be a long fight. There are, you know, look across the map, there are, look at Florida. Florida is the ultimate purple, maybe even leaning Blue State just 20 years ago. Now it's deep, deep red. I'm not saying give up hope, I'm saying be realistic. Let's. Let's see if we can help Hilton make his case out there, get a few more points than maybe people expected, then next time we do the same thing. I think, I think what California is, I think when California finally changes is you're going to get a moderate Republican, Hispanic who comes in and says, wait a minute, this isn't meeting the needs of Californians. We're going to do some a little differently. And I. But I think that's a few cycles down the road.

[Andrew]

Well, and maybe on that point, if you can get voter ID pass, which is still positive in the polls, it has a real shot of passing. And you saw what the Save America act would do to states Like New Mexico and Nevada. That could shift the electorate as well. Kurt Schlichter, Town Hall. Check out the book, the Attack. Thank you, my friend. We'll see you soon. We got Helen Andrews next. What a treat. Stay tuned for that.

[Blake]

Welcome back to our two of the Charlie Kirk Show. We're joined now by one of our favorite writers and thinkers about the modern state of America. We're joined by Helen Andrews. Helen, are you there?

[Helen Andrews]

I am. Thanks a lot, Blake.

[Charlie Kirk]

Good to be here.

[Blake]

Great to have you. Great to have you. You can find her work all over the place. She writes a lot for Compaq. She writes a lot of great stuff on X and she's the author of the excellent book I can highly recommend Boomers, all about the men and women who promised paradise and brought disaster. I might have mangled the title there a bit, but Helen Andrews, Boomers. Check it out. But we wanted to have you on today for another worthy topic. There was news in the economic press recently that happened. It's happened briefly in the past during COVID but it's becoming more permanent now that more women than men are going to work every day that they're on payrolls. We're becoming a majority women economy, which has got to be basically unprecedented in the Western world. And Helen, you're one of the best commentators. And what does that mean for society? What world are we building when we have a majority of women on payrolls?

[Helen Andrews]

You said it. Unprecedented is the only word for it. As far back as we have data, it has been not just. It's never happened. It's been unimaginable that we would have a world where more women are employed than men. It has happened briefly, as you said before, in little blips usually around recessions. It happened after the 2008 financial crisis, and that's because men were more likely to be in jobs like construction that can be kind of turned off at times of economic crisis. But then male employment usually rebounds pretty quickly. The difference this time is that this is a more sustainable situation. Well, not sustainable in the sense of, you know, will lead to good outcomes. But this is this. These are long term trends of declining male workforce participation. And what does that mean for our country? It means bad things because this is not a sustainable situation. When you see the numbers showing that men are doing really badly in the workforce and women are doing comparatively well, you might think that that's good for women because women are earning more money, but it's actually bad, not just for the men, but even for the women, because data Shows that women don't pair off with or marry men who make less money than they do, who are less educated than they are. They definitely don't pair off with and marry men who are unemployed. So if we are now living in a country where most of the time more women have jobs than men, that spells disaster for marriage rates, birth rates, and you know, kind of the long term sustainability of our society.

[Blake]

Yeah, that's, that's another data point I saw you were posting about on X just the other day that I think this was data from Australia. But we're much like Australia where overall men still earn more than women on average. But in that, that key window where you'd be getting married, starting families in your early 20s, we now have a female wage premium that women do out earn men. And yet it seems that in our discourse it's still the narrative from politicians is entirely about the wage gap hurting women, that we need more initiatives to help women. But it seems the opposite is true. We still, we actually have widespread anti male discrimination. If you run the blind studies, they prefer to hire women. Is that really the case?

[Helen Andrews]

Absolutely. And I think that's the core fact about this strange new development to internalize is that it is artificial. This is not a natural result of women just going out there and kicking butt in the workplace and being really great employees. It exists. Rising female workforce participation and greater female promotion in the workplace. That's not happening naturally. That's happening because the law incentivizes it. A few months ago, I wrote an article called the Great Feminization that went very viral. And there were a lot of things I said in there that got me in trouble with the usual suspects that were pretty controversial. But the line that was objected to most frequently was where I claimed exactly this. I said that companies hire women that they wouldn't otherwise have hired and give women promotions that would otherwise have gone to men. Because those companies know if you don't have enough women in your workforce overall and in your upper management, that can be grounds for a lawsuit. The laws against gender discrimination are so loose that a single disgruntled employee who doesn't think that she's gotten ahead the way that she wanted to, if she can identify a statistical disparity and can say you have twice as many men as women in your upper management, or whatever kind of statistics she can come up with, if she can bring that to a courtroom and say this is proof that this company discriminated against me as a woman, she has a very good likelihood of success. So Some people out there responding to this article doubted that. But it's just absolutely 100% the case. Companies are very, very worried about lawsuits around gender discrimination. I mean, even Goldman Sachs had to pay out $215 million over a gender discrimination laws. And Goldman Sachs is obviously not a fly by night corporation. They have a lot of, you know, they really try and avoid any kind of legal liability like that. But even corporations like that are getting stuck with gender discrimination lawsuits. So companies absolutely do try and boost women as much as they possibly can to get their numbers up. And that leads to situations like we have now where men are unfairly disadvantaged.

[Blake]

I want to loop we had lost Andrew for a second, but we're bringing Andrew, our co host, back in here. Andrew, I'm thinking here, obviously this is, I think I agree with Helen that this is artificial and it's having big impacts on marriage and as a result on fertility. But I'm really interested in the big long term picture. If this continues for 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, what sort of society are we going to build? Andrew, what do you think about that?

[Andrew]

Well, listen, I mean, I happen to think Helen Andrews is a national treasure. So whoever's coming after you, Helen, I want names, I want to know. Because I think what you've unlocked with this great feminization article in Compact magazine I think will be looked back at as a massive, massive inflection because we were able to directly draw a line between Wokeism and the feminization of the workforce, of industries, of institutions. I think the feminist lies pumped into the brains of young women is one of the existential threats to Western civilization. I think it's like the dark triad, basically. It's open borders, it's wokeism and it's feminism or maybe Islamification, because woke ism, feminism are redundancies now. But my point is, Helen, there's this graph that's been going around everywhere. Young women have become much more liberal while men have basically stayed the same. I want you to diagnose why this is. This is a graph. 152, if you could throw it up. What is behind this? And are these topics we're talking about, are they interrelated?

[Helen Andrews]

Absolutely. One of the most fundamental differences between men and women that shows up in study after study is that women are more consensus oriented. When women are deciding what do I believe, what do I think about this or that they're just more likely to pull their friends to gauge what the people around them are thinking, whereas men are more likely to be individualistic, a Man is much more willing to say, well, nobody else or none of my peers agree with me on this. But I've crunched the numbers in my own head and to my own satisfaction, and my conscience tells me I think something different. And that's just going to have to be okay with everybody around me. There are lots of evolutionary psychological stories you could talk about in terms of why that's the case, but that's just demonstrably true. And the problem with that is that women. Oh, please, go ahead.

[Andrew]

Well, I got to take a quick break here because we got this show clock, but, you know, you've heard of that movie A Few Good Men. Well, when you listen to Helen Andrews and how much sense she makes, I think we now need to have a few good women. And you are one of them, Helen.

[Blake]

So they get all because they can't handle the truth.

[Andrew]

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[Charlie Kirk]

21 women just overall reporting dissatisfaction, unhappiness, a feeling of being really torn, trying to have it all, trying to have a career and be a career woman and also have a family and, and do all of that. Women don't know what to do with relationships because on the one hand, they want men who make more than they do. They want men who are higher achieving than they are. Yet this creates a paradox. Whereas women have become the number one earners of college degrees, they have now got salaries that compete with men, and they've got more equality than ever before. They're finding that the men are not suitable to marry. They're finding that, you know, they just can't find a guy who's on their level or higher, which is what they really want.

[Andrew]

All right, so here's the great setup then, Helen. You've got high achieving women, at least professionally, who are deeply miserable. They're on anxiety meds, they're upset, they're bitter, and the men are not making enough money until they're past like mating age and fertility prime fertility years. What's the solution? Like what, what, what would be your prescription for how to get us out of this death spiral?

[Helen Andrews]

Well, I'm very sensitive to the problem that the podcaster that you just showed was talking about. I'm very lucky. I've got three kids at home and right now I'm in the leaning out phase of my career. I don't have a day job, I just take care of them. It's really wonderful. I really don't want to miss these precious years, but I'm able to do that because I have a husband who has a full time job. So when you see any high achieving woman who's been given a lot of the artificial breaks promotions that might otherwise have gone to a man, you might think that's great for her. But there are lots of men in the picture, the men who didn't get those promotions and those men probably have wives at home who are wishing that they could stay home with their own kids and, and have a little lean out phase of their own. And they can't because their husband has been thwarted at work by these artificial feminist rules that make it hard in terms of what to do about it. I think fixing student loans is probably going to be a big part of the picture. Most people know that the majority of student loans are held by women, but it's not just by a little bit, it's by a lot. Two thirds of the student debt out there is held by women and a lot of that never gets paid off because these women are in fields that don't earn a lot of money or they're working in nonprofits, which is a field that has student loan debt forgiveness. So you work at a nonprofit for 10 years and then your student loans are written off. So these women are being educated essentially on our Dime because we, the taxpayer paid to send them to school and then they didn't pay us back with that student debt. So we're subsidizing their educations and their jobs and it's creating this imbalance artificially.

[Blake]

I have a thought and I wonder what you make of it. So one result of this that we've seen because of this divergence ideological and economic, is we have a much wider fertility gap between conservatives and liberals. They used to be pretty similar. Now among people I think in their 30s, conservative women are having I think twice as many children as far left liberal women on average. Do you think that that is going to continue and expand? And one, is it possible this becomes sort of self correcting, that we'll end up, the future will be occupied by people who value more traditional norms for their own sake? Or is that not going to be enough? We need a systemic fix that will enable even liberal women to have kids again.

[Helen Andrews]

I think you're absolutely right about this being self correcting. I think liberalism of the kind that exists in the United States today is a self extinguishing philosophy. It's a philosophy that has a death wish and all we can do is make sure it doesn't drag the rest of us down with it. It's an ideology that can't reproduce itself quite literally. So the people that we have to care about and sort of make policy around are the people in the middle who are the have conservative dispositions. They're the people who don't really buy into this self extinguishing liberalism. They like humanity and want to carry it on and they want to have kids. They just feel trapped by the financial incentives that make it harder for women to take a break from the workforce and go home and have kids and raise them or to pair off with men in the first place. So if we just tweak it a little bit, make it a little bit easier for women to do that and for men to succeed enough to allow women to do that, then I think we can take care of those folks in the middle who aren't the crazy liberals. They're just trying to survive in the crazy world the liberals have made for the rest of us.

[Blake]

Helen, I mentioned your book Boomers, which came out a few years ago. Very good. People should read it. Highly entertaining. You get profiles of Steve Jobs and some I think. Was Camille Paglio one of them too?

[Unknown Political Commentator]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Great, great stuff. Different profiles of the boomer thing, but I thought I'd ask. We have a couple minutes left. I know you mentioned you're not working a day job right now, but I think you are working on more books in the future. What's. First of all, what might we be able to look forward to from you? What are your big ideas floating around right now? And also what are your thoughts on the general issue of turning the tide culturally? What do we need to be producing more work like yours in the conservative of sphere?

[Helen Andrews]

Well, I am working on a book project. Good guess. The nature of it is confidential at this time. I can't wait till it's ready to share with everybody, but it's just not just yet.

[Blake]

Can you message me privately?

[Helen Andrews]

You guys will be the first to know. I'll give you that breaking story when it's ready, I promise.

[Andrew]

We'd love to help you sell somebody,

[Helen Andrews]

but I do think books are important. Books are the missing piece right now. People like you have done such a wonderful job fostering good conservative intellectual work in the podcasting sphere, in the radio sphere, organizing people in real life. There are some great conservative magazines out there and I've worked at many of them and they do terrific, a terrific job. The biggest gap in conservative media as far as I can see, is books. So that's what we need more of, and that's what I'm trying to supply.

[Blake]

Amen. Amen. It's very real. I think there's articles are great, segments are great, but there's a real power to. If you can have 200 pages, 300 pages on a specific thing that can lay out a narrative. And we think of how many myths you think of White fragility. That was a book by Robin Diangelo and suddenly everyone had to read it. And this was the left wing explanation for the world we need to have on the right. A book that we can say this explains the reality that we're in.

[Andrew]

Well, and I just want to say the article that we had you on previously about, about the workforce becoming feminized and becoming woke, I genuinely believe that is such an important contribution to the discourse. I saw there was clips about Adam Carolla that I just saw talking about it. He was in la and the people asked, had you read this article? And they're like, yeah, of course. Everybody sent me this article. So what you're doing is truly important, Helen. And I want to underscore again, I'll reframe my top three. I think it's open borders, mass migration, it's feminism and Islamification. That's my top three threats to Western civilization. And you have a unique ability to address the Feminism one. So thank you for your contribution. We'll have you on again soon when you could talk about your book. My goodness. We're waiting on Baited Breath. We'll be right back.

[Blake]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Do we have Andrew there? Oh, Andrew's out of the loop. All right, well, I'm taking over this last segment. And you know, what's also going on besides our big win in Indiana. I think we should talk about. Ted Turner died this morning. He was in his late 80s, but obviously a very memorable figure in American life. If you were around in the 80s and 90s, if you list off the things he was involved in, he's kind of in the, you might say, like the Mike Tyson zone, where any story, or maybe Michael Jackson zone, any story about him is at least somewhat plausible. He's the man who invented Captain Planet. If you found that show particularly intolerable in the early 90s, he created, most memorably for us, he created CNN, the cable news network. In fact, President Trump was memorializing him for just that on Truth Social. And he also created WCW Wrestling. So if you are a child of the 90s like myself, I was not into pro wrestling, but all of my neighbor, all of my friends in school were. They loved all of pro wrestling. Did you ever watch pro wrestling growing up, Andrew?

[Andrew]

Oh, I did. I. I watched a lot of it, but we. My. My big brother was into it, so I got sort of. As I got older, I. I faded away. But Fazio on the team has gotten me really into kayfabe and all the storylines and stuff like that, so. So quasi a little bit. You know what's crazy, by the way, is that wrestling is now, like, on the ESPN app. It's like they're fully mainstreaming. And I'm like, it's not really a competitive sport, but okay, whatever. I want to read this yacht story when we get a second.

[Blake]

What's that? What was that?

[Andrew]

Yeah, I want to read this yacht story. Oh, yeah, go for it.

[Blake]

Yeah, read the yacht story.

[Andrew]

This is amazing. This blew my mind. Okay. Ted Turner, okay. So when he passed, we started looking into it. Blake actually put this in one of our chats, and I was like, this is extraordinary stuff. At the same time, Mr. Turner was developing a damaging reputation for philandering, drunkenness, and public misconduct. His tumultuous first marriage to Julia Nye, with whom he had two children, Laura and Teddy Jr. Ended in the early 1960s. Shortly after, Mr. Turner competed against his wife in a yacht race. Seeing she was on the Verge of winning. He rammed her boat with his. That is so savage. I don't have words for it. Obviously, Ted Turner was cut from a different cloth.

[Blake]

They broke the mold like I say he was. He's the kind of guy where you could read, like any story about him and it might be a little believable. So I, I literally just was looking like, what are fun Ted Turner stories? He apparently, he owned the Atlanta Braves, notably. He apparently tried to manage them for one night, a game they lost. And then Major League Baseball came in and said, you are the owner. You are not allowed to keep doing that. Which I'm very disappointed in. They 100% should have let him keep managing the team. That would be. That would have been highly entertaining. You can see why he also went into pro wrestling.

[Kurt Schlichter]

He.

[Blake]

He funded the movie. I believe he funded the movie Gettysburg. For anyone who liked that. He was a big span of American history, of our Civil War heritage. So obviously we have a lot of differences with him. Creating CNN is a big one. He was very. He criticized pro life supporters a lot. But I do like his appreciation of our history.

[Andrew]

Well, so President Trump's truth addresses the CNN thing said, turn Ted Turner, one of the greats of all time, just died. He founded cnn, sold it, and was personally devastated by the deal because the new ownership took cnn, his baby, and destroyed it. It became woke and everything that he is not all about, maybe the new buyers, wonderful people will be able to bring it back to its former credibility and glory regardless. However, one of the great greats of broadcast history and a friend of mine, whenever I needed him, he was there, always willing to fight for a good cause. President Donald J. Trump. So he addressed the cnn. I mean, because CNN is what I think of with Ted Turner. I don't think about TBS or TNT or any of that stuff. I think CNN and, you know, it's. It's probably not his. His favorite piece of his legacy, but rest in peace to Ted Turner. Any other fun stories you uncovered there, Blake?

[Blake]

Let me see, what else do we have?

[Andrew]

The yacht story is just.

[Blake]

The yacht story is really incredible. He. I think he helped us reclaim the America's Cup. He was. He didn't just ram his wife, Scott. He also beat sinister Australian yachts to reclaim major yachting trophies. I like the story about cnn. When they went on air, he said they would keep broadcasting. They opened with the Star Spangled Banner, and then he said, we will keep broadcasting until the end of the world. So they have a video in the CNN archives, which is the Marine Corps band playing Taps. And it says on it, only play this if the world is about to end. And so if we're ever facing Armageddon, if, you know the world's about to explode, we will be able to see that clip on cnn. Not that any of us would want to spend our last moments watching cnn, I suspect.

[Andrew]

You know, he seems to me cut from that old. That old mold. You know, it's like you kind of get a sense of the Gilded Age. Those American men of industry, of great wealth that actually poured their money back into the country that cared about its founding values. A real titan and aggressive individual that was wildly creative, wildly pioneering, and was willing to take massive risks. And, you know, it's interesting, you know, we're just talking with Mike Collins, and he said he was in Southern Georgia. I've been to southern Georgia once, and I was actually near a town called Thomasville, which is famous for being surrounded by these huge, huge properties that are. They don't even have roads on them. They're some of the biggest undeveloped parcels of land in the country, like hundred thousand acre parcels kind of thing. And you do hunting and like, kind of in the old mold. And I actually went to one of them to do a hunt, and it was. I found out it was previously owned by Ted Turner. So. And apparently there was all sorts of wild stories. He would go visit the property like twice a year to do these big quail hunts, and they do it with dogs and foxes, and they have people that hand you the gun and load it for you. I mean, I mean, it's kind of like old English style down there in Thomasville. And he used to own one of those properties, so just absolutely never ending, almost insatiable desire and appetite for new adventures. And really, you know, for all of his faults, which it appears there were many, you have to admire that. Just pure Americana, that drive, that man of industry that animated so much of his life. And you could tell that that's why President Trump likes him in a perspective, yeah, 100%.

[Blake]

You could see this world where you could listen. He was once the largest private landowner in the United States. He repopularized the bison, you know, because he wanted bison burgers for a restaurant chain that he created. One thing after another. And one, you can see, this used to be, I think more of America's tycoons were like this, if you read American history, that the Hunt brothers, for example, have this flamboyant streak. Carnegie, Rockefeller, they were very eccentric. Today we have Elon Musk is a little like this. And of course, Donald Trump himself is like this. You could imagine a world where Ted Turner maybe was a Donald Trump like figure, but running on the center left. Obviously, we disagree with him on a lot of things, but he's the sort of character who made America America. And so, you know, as he's passed on, we should remember him for that.

[Andrew]

Well, this is why we ultimately, you know, have a special place in our heart for President Trump. He's kind of that he's, you know, maybe he Trump is the last of a breed, so to speak. It has been a fun show. Thank you to Real America's Voice for hosting me in their DC Studio. I will be here again tomorrow. Until then, thanks. It was a great show, Blake, talk to you guys tomorrow.