RINGSIDE POLITICS WITH JEFF CROUERE - FEBRUARY 7th, 2026

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Ringside Politics with Jeff Crouere

Episode Date: February 7, 2026
Podcast: Real America’s Voice (iHeartPodcasts)
Host: Jeff Crouere
Guests: Lindsey Richard (Defense Attorney), Nils Gravilius (Private Investigator), Andy Ross (Musician/CEO), Dr. Carol Lieberman (Forensic Psychiatrist)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Ringside Politics with Jeff Crouere spans American politics, recent high-profile crimes, the culture wars around the Super Bowl, and analysis of headline-making cases. Jeff opens with a “defend the republic” message and encourages local activism, then pivots to in-depth discussions: the Savannah Guthrie kidnapping, fallout from the Epstein files, the NFL and cultural battles, major criminal trials, political rhetoric fueling violence, and Republican Party dynamics. He features expert guests for legal, investigative, and psychological perspective, blending punchy conservative commentary with audience participation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. “Keep the Republic” Initiative & Community Activism

Timestamp: 02:08–06:40

• Jeff references the founding spirit of America, invoking Benjamin Franklin’s “A republic, if you can keep it,” urging listeners to act with a “warrior ethos” to protect U.S. constitutional values.
• Details his weekly activism groups: “Morning Prayers Monday, Release the Kraken Tuesday, Sheepdog Wednesday, Tech Triumph Thursday, and Fraud Busters.”
• Encourages grassroots involvement: “To get started, you just need two or more people ... send me your photos and videos to jeffgs.com. We’ll share them.” (04:28)
• Promotes petitions, website features, book, podcast, and newsletter for continued engagement.

2. Current Events Roundup: Guthrie Kidnapping, Epstein Files, and More

Timestamp: 06:40–16:56

• Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping: Focus on mystery, lack of contact from kidnappers, and Trump’s assurance of imminent news. “Let’s hope and pray there’ll be a reunion.” (08:07)
• Epstein Revelations: New video evidence fuels host’s belief Epstein was murdered; skepticism about official accounts. “Can we trust anything we’re being told by the government? No.” (09:50)
• NFL Halftime Show Outrage: Criticism of scheduled pro-Democrat, anti-Trump acts for the upcoming Super Bowl; praises Turning Point USA for offering a “pro-American alternative.” (11:45)
• Olympics Diversity Critique: “AP is now complaining Olympic teams are, quote, too white... How about the best people make the Olympics whether they’re black or white?” (13:00)
• Republican House Retirements: Growing concern about GOP’s prospects, criticizes disengaged voters and party leadership. “Unless something dramatic changes, get ready for a Democrat-controlled House…a nightmare.” (13:40)
• Democrats and Immigration: “Democrats…demanding ICE get defunded... ICE agents put in jeopardy.”
• Melania Trump Documentary: Encourages viewership to counteract “nasty reviews from critics;” celebrates its box office success.

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3. Spotlight: Major Criminal Cases

A. Ryan Ruth—Attempted Trump Assassination

Guest: Lindsey Richard, Defense Attorney
Timestamp: 16:56–20:58

• Ruth sentenced to life plus 7 years for attempt on Trump.
• Question of mental health, self-representation, and appeals process.
• [Lindsey Richard] “There’s going to be a lot of issues on appeal, which I think is probably inevitable…He made a lot of comments that made it pretty clear he probably has some serious mental health issues.” (17:42)
• [Jeff Crouere] “For someone, quote, unquote, mentally ill, he certainly put a lot of planning into the attempted assassination of the President and almost pulled it off.” (19:30)
• [Richard] Asserts political violence is never justified: “There’s no room and…no tolerance or even understanding for political violence in our country.” (20:09)

B. Tyler Robinson—Murder of Charlie Kirk

Timestamp: 21:00–24:06

• Concerns about evidence: DNA from five people on the murder weapon raises doubts.
• [Richard] “Having multiple DNA…found on the murder weapon is certainly going to lend itself to having a defense argument.” (23:18)
• Both agree on the need to reduce incendiary rhetoric leading to violence.
• [Jeff Crouere] Expresses distrust in mainstream information: “I’m one of those that has questions—everything from…the elections to just questioning, folks, just questioning. Lots of questions.” (24:06)

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4. MAGA Movement Outlook & Clip Analysis

Timestamp: 25:01–25:51

• CNN data analysis highlighted: MAGA movement remains strong, with 78% of GOP favoring it—projected to outlast Trump’s political career.
• [Jeff Crouere] “That’s great news. Now…look at the other side, folks. Dangerous leftists.”

Classic Margaret Thatcher Clip (Dealing with the Left)

Timestamp: 26:18–27:18

• Thatcher’s warning against compromising with the left and the rise of tyranny through constitutional means.
• Quote, Thatcher (clip): “Once you start to compromise with the left…you find yourself compromising with the far left. Never forget some tyrannical regimes have come into power by constitutional means.”

Critique of Democrat Congressman Jerry Nadler

Timestamp: 27:18–28:31

• Nadler’s condemnation of ICE agents as “goons” draws ire from host.
• [Jeff Crouere]: “He’s more concerned about the attire of these people. I’m more concerned about the criminal behavior…” (28:31)

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5. Expert Analysis: The Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping

Guest: Nils Gravilius, Private Investigator
Timestamp: 30:59–38:33

• Detailed exploration of the case: Professional planning suspected, fake ransom demands, specific evidence like Apple Watch left to authenticate kidnapping.
• Consensus: unlikely a family member, likely sophisticated criminals.
• [Nils Gravilius]: “Kidnapping like this takes a lot of logistical planning… somebody mimicking that level of tradecraft has executed a very skilled kidnapping here.” (34:04)
• Discusses law enforcement tools (cellphone metadata, plate cameras), possibility of AI-generated “proof of life.”
• “How often do kidnappers get away with it in this country and not get caught? …It’s as rare as hen’s teeth.” (38:00)
• Notes prevalence of unreported cartel-related kidnappings.

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6. Culture Wars: NFL Halftime and Music Awards

Guest: Andy Ross, Country-Rock Artist / CEO
Timestamp: 39:21–44:01

• Jeff and Andy lambast the NFL for politically divisive Super Bowl performances (Bad Bunny, Green Day), credit Turning Point USA for “pro-American” entertainment.
• [Jeff Crouere] “I am not watching tomorrow. Bad Bunny. Going to be watching our programming.” (42:10)
• Grammys/celebrity hypocrisy highlighted, referencing Billie Eilish’s property on “stolen land” and the border security debate:
  • [Andy Ross]: “She wants to protect her home, but isn’t interested in protecting the border of the country where it all starts…” (44:01)

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7. Political Shifts: Obama’s Immigration Policy Statements

Timestamp: 44:48–45:54

• Archival Obama clip advocates controlled/compassionate deportation—offering contrast to current Democratic messaging.
• [Jeff Crouere]: “Boy, the democrat party has changed their messaging on this issue over the years, big time.” (45:54)

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8. Forensic Psychiatry: Ransom Note Analysis

Guest: Dr. Carol Lieberman
Timestamp: 46:47–51:53

• Questions why Guthrie family hasn’t offered a larger reward, examines tone/emotion of ransom note (“safe but scared”), draws parallels to tactics in Silence of The Lambs.
• [Dr. Carol Lieberman]: “You don’t usually see words about feelings in notes from ransom people…That seems to me purposely chosen... to get Savannah to act.” (48:18)
• Observes that video appeals by family borrow techniques from popular media, seem oddly impersonal or insufficient.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Activism:
  “Real, tangible action...placing the mission first, never accepting defeat, and we’re never quitting.”
  — Jeff Crouere (02:35)

• On Political Violence:
  “There’s no tolerance or even understanding for political violence in our country. And hard stop.”
  — Lindsey Richard (20:09)

• On Institutional Mistrust:
  “Can we trust anything we’re being told by the government? No.”
  — Jeff Crouere (09:50)

• On Culture Wars/NFL:
  “They haven’t had a pure rock band do the halftime show since 2010…They are making it so hard for someone to stay and want to stay tuned in.”
  — Andy Ross (41:05)

• On Immigration Policy Shifts:
  “Boy, the democrat party has changed their messaging on this issue over the years, big time.”
  — Jeff Crouere (45:54)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-------------------------------|:-------------:| | Keep the Republic/Activism | 02:08 – 06:40 | | Current Event Roundup | 06:40 – 16:56 | | Legal Cases – Ruth/Robinson | 16:56 – 24:06 | | MAGA Movement/Thatcher Clip | 25:01 – 27:18 | | Jerry Nadler / ICE Critique | 27:18 – 28:31 | | Guthrie Kidnapping (Investigator) | 30:59 – 38:33 | | NFL/Culture War (Andy Ross) | 39:21 – 44:01 | | Obama Immigration Quote | 44:48 – 45:54 | | Ransom Note Psych Analysis | 46:47 – 51:53 |

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Original Tone & Style

The tone throughout is combative, deeply skeptical of mainstream narratives, and fired-up about the culture war. Jeff Crouere frames stories as battles for the soul of the republic; guests echo his concern for freedom, due process, law, and order. Humor pops up (e.g., “it’s as rare as hen’s teeth,” “hopping over to see my buddy Kid Rock and Lee Brice sing the paint off the wall”), but the urgency on issues—security, patriotism, skepticism toward elites—remains front and center.

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Additional Highlights

• Audience Involvement:
  Repeatedly encourages listeners to email, send images/memes/videos, and participate in website polls.
• Weekly Features:
  ‘Champion of the Week’ award to the Monumental Task Committee for historical preservation; meme of the week selections.
• Closing Message:
  Stresses continued activism and audience engagement: “Thanks to our great team… for all of you for watching. See you next time for another edition...Another round shot.” (End)

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This summary covers all principal topics, key quotes, guest insights, and pivotal moments in a clear structured format for listeners who missed the episode.

Transcript

[Jeff Cruer]

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When Benjamin Franklin was asked, what kind of government have you given us? He replied, madam, a republic if you can keep it. Now, what does it take to keep a republic? Real, tangible action, adopting the warrior ethos, placing the mission first, never accepting defeat, and we're never quitting. We're organizing groups based on the days of the week, Morning Prayers Monday, Release the Kraken Tuesday, Sheepdog Wednesday, Tech Triumph Thursday, and Fraud Busters. And by the way, that Kraken is looking pretty good now after all these election revelations have come out. Now to get started, you just need two or more people. So friends, family, neighbors, co workers or classmates. You can start small and get bigger. And as you do, send me your vote photos and videos to jeffgs.com we'll share them with our friends. While you do that, include a short description of your group and the action depicted. Now, I think you're going to probably want a copy of our slides. 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Of course, you can also email [e-mail] you can contact us on social media, where we're on Gab Getter X and True Social at jeffcruer or Facebook Ringside Politics. Every time we gather, we share our favorite pro Trump image of the week. And this one was not really on Trump, but it's about Trump issue. And this is from Gabriel. Fair and honest elections. All the things we need, from voter ID to citizenship to residence to early ending of that vote count. And that would end the Democratic Party and Gabriel, I think you're right. So if you got a pro Trump image or meme you want to send me, just email [e-mail] we also give a shout out to our Ringside Politics champion of the week. This week, it's a group working hard to preserve history, to preserve our monuments, our statues, our historical markers. The left loves to destroy. We love to protect history and venerate history because it's part of who we are. And the Monumental Task Committee does that better than anybody else. 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And we saw the pleas from the Guthrie family from the the brother and the two sisters. Savannah Guthrie, of course, beloved broadcaster, been doing that for decades and her mom, 84 years old. This has been a very mysterious case. And we're going to talk to a detective later on in the program about some different angles to it. So the plea continues to be for some kind of connection with the kidnappers, the families looking for that. And seems like to me that these individuals were experts robbers and removing Nancy Guthrie from the house. But as kidnappers go, not so expert because there hasn't been much of a connection. Some messages left with media. There are now some developments that have occurred in the past 24 hours. President Trump says that we should know something very soon. So let's hope and pray there'll be a reunion of Nancy Guthrie with her family. Epstein file revelations continue and every day it's something else. Disgraced former Prince Andrew seen in photos. Disgraced top British officials. Lord Peter Mendelsohn is going to probably lose his title. Who knows what else. Kicked out of government. All kinds of revelations about Hollywood stars and politicians that were dealing with this creep. And part of what the revelations brought forward. More video of that night before he died in the Manhattan jail where an orange blob is seen in the corner of that video. Questions about, you know, whether someone was going up to his cell or not. Dan Bongino said that there was nothing there. But now this video shows a blob. There could be something there. CBS News did a deep dive into what says the official story does not match the video. I've always contended and told you my belief that I think he was murdered. I don't think that this guy committed suicide at all. Now some people believe that the body was switched out. There's also a mysterious email from a person in the prison talking about, you know, someone being switched out. Who knows? I mean, can can we trust anything we're being told by the government? No. So more revelations hopefully will be coming. NFL legend Eric Dickerson this week blasted the corrupt NFL for their disgusting halftime show that they're going to be producing tomorrow with a guy who hates America, hates to really dress like a male, hates to sing in English, can be singing in Spanish. And he's Kamala Harris loving, Trump hating. And he's going to be preceded by Green Day who hates President Trump just as much. So, I mean, what is the NFL doing? I mean, their fans are not all Trump haters. You got a lot of Republicans, conservatives in that fan base. So the good news is here in Real America's Voice, we're going to be airing the Turning Point USA halftime entertainment show. And right before that, we're going to have something called Taking Back the Charts, the Rise of America first music right here on Real America's Voice going to be starting at 7pm Eastern right before the Turning Point USA halftime show that we're going to air. Turn off the super bowl, turn off Bad Bunny and watch something pro American right here on Real America's Voice. Now the poll question is about Iran. State Department is now urging Americans to leave Iran. So that tells me that there could be something very close as far as military action. So log on to Crewair.net let me know what you think. Should we get involved militarily or let the people of Iran overthrow that government? The Olympics are going on and the Associated Press is now complaining that the Olympic teams are, quote, too white. They have to bring race into everything, don't they? Every single thing they have to bring race into. How about the best people make the Olympics whether they're black or white. How about we just celebrate the best? Why do we have to inject race into, whether it be NFL coaches or the Olympics? I think Americans are getting tired of that. Republicans are in bad shape. This week the 30th GOP House Republican announced his retirement from Congress. I mean, this is an avalanche of Republicans leaving. We already have a very difficult situation to retain control, folks. Unless something dramatic changes, get ready for a Democrat controlled House of Representatives, which is going to be a nightmare. So we need to marshal all of our political forces and try to prevent that from happening. Republican voters unfortunately are just not motivated. Look at what happened in Texas with that special election. We need to get them motivated. House Republicans need to deliver on an agenda. How about the Save Act? How about more election reform? How about doing something so that people feel better about voting Republican? President Trump can't do everything. Now Democrats, you know, they're demanding that ICE get defunded. They're demanding ICE agents not wear their masks. They're demanding that ICE agents be put in jeopardy. They're, they're demanding, you know, ICE be shut down. So one thing going for Republicans is they can just point to the extreme nature of the Democrats. But they have got to act and act quickly. And finally, a kudos to Melania Trump, the first lady. More great box office results for her documentary. My wife and I saw it. We loved it. We think a lot of you will enjoy it. Get out there and see it. Let's show the critics that the American people don't listen to their nasty reviews and give more and more of a box office result for Melania. So far it's doing great and hopefully it'll have continued success. A lot more to get to as we roll on. It is Ringside Politics right here on the airwaves. Jeff Cruier with you. Let's take a brief time out. We'll be right back.

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All right, some, some big cases going on that we're following here on the Ringside Politics program. Ryan Ruth, of course, the attempted assassin of President Trump sentenced to life in prison. Tyler Robinson is on trial for the assassination of of course, Charlie Kirk decided to bring on an expert to give us some insight into these cases and more. She is a former prosecutor now a seasoned defense attorney from the great city of Austin, Texas. Lindsey Richard is with us. Hey, Lindsay, how are you? Welcome.

[Andy Ross]

Hi.

[Lindsey Richard]

I'm good. How are you doing?

[Jeff Cruer]

Great. Thanks for being with us. So let's start first, talk about Ryan Ruth. Boy, that was a hard, I mean, he was defending himself, right, Lindsey?

[Lindsey Richard]

He was. And he, there's going to be a lot of issues on appeal, which I think is probably inevitable, you know, because he did represent himself and he made a lot of comments that made it pretty clear he probably has some serious mental health issues.

[Jeff Cruer]

So when someone represents themselves who decides on an appeal, is it an automatic appeal or I mean, does, does he say he wants to appeal it? I mean, is he going to bring on attorneys now? I mean, how's that going to go from here potentially?

[Lindsey Richard]

So he would have to file for an appeal within about 30 days. Just notice that he's intending to appeal his case and then my guess is they're going to assign him an appellate attorney. And I mean he, I guess he can say he wants to do it himself, but that would be very ill advised. But you know what, so is representing yourself in a trial. So who knows what he's going to do. But he would have about 30 days from his sentencing that happened last week or this past week. And he, you know, he, it would be smart to appeal this particular conviction just because there's so many issues with the actual trial.

[Jeff Cruer]

So he was a Martin Roth. Was that his court appointed attorney that he got rid of?

[Lindsey Richard]

I, you know what, I'm not actually sure, but I believe So I think he had a court appointed me and most states, usually if you represent yourself, they have someone kind of on standby die that's there to help you in case you desperately need it.

[Jeff Cruer]

So he had asked a judge for 20 years in prison on, on top of a seven year mandatory sentence for one of the gun convictions. And of course it was life in prison plus seven years following the assassination attempt against Trump. To me, from, from looking at the evidence and, and I'm no expert, seems like it's pretty clear he did it and planned this thing. They seem to have a lot of evidence about, you know, his planning that went into it. And for someone, quote, unquote, mentally ill, he certainly put a lot of planning into the attempted assassination of the President and almost pulled it off. Lindsey. True.

[Lindsey Richard]

I mean, I don't think there's. Look, I think he is rightfully convicted and um, even, even if the judge had given like the 27 year sentence that they were asking for, that's still based on his age, really would have ended up being life anyway for him. You know, he would have, it would have been inevitable that he was going to die in prison. And I mean, it is. There's no space and this is a clear indication that there's no room and, or tolerance or even understanding for political violence in right. Our country. And, and hard stop. Regardless of your political affiliation or, you know, what your political beliefs are at this point. Like we just. This has to end this political.

[Jeff Cruer]

What was really disturbing to me, Lindsay, was that this happened just a few months after the first assassination attempt where there were so many questions about how that was pulled off. And now you had this and the question about how this was pulled off. And he came so darn close to, you know, getting this, his target, which was President Trump killed. So thank God that somebody finally spotted him at the end. And then of course he takes off and then it's a good Samaritan who actually alerts local law enforcement who, who then tracked him down. Let's, if we could transition to the case involving Tyler Robinson, who was on trial now for the, you know, the murder of Charlie Kirk. I don't know if you've been following this case. It seems to me very interesting. I had heard that the evidence involving the gun, there were DNA from five different people on that gun. That seems to me a real red flag. I don't know about you, but I've got questions about this case as well. Any thoughts on that one, Lindsay?

[Lindsey Richard]

I think that there's still a lot of information that we don't know and that we're going to have to wait and see how it plays out. I, you know, again, I mean, this is an assassination, so there's just no, you know, there's really no tolerance for it, no matter what. But he, you know, we only have, we have very limited information still really about motivation and how this was carried out. And so I, I think there's still more that we're going to need to wait and see.

[Jeff Cruer]

And I think there's a lot of questions about the whole case. I mean, from the, how it was done and sort of the, the video, questions about some of the video that's been released and questions about how he pulled this off and how, how this whole thing was done. So I am not satisfied with the information that we've received and hopefully more will be forthcomin, you know, what evidence they have against him. But as a defense attorney, when you hear that the murder weapon, quote, unquote, has DNA from multiple people on there, does that, Is that something that can help his defense?

[Lindsey Richard]

Absolutely. I mean, anything that they are able to use to say potentially maybe it's not even him that pulled the trigger. I mean, I don't know all of the evidence against him to be able to say what they can do as far as this defense strategy. But having multiple DNA, you know, found on the, the murder weapon is certainly going to lend itself to having a defense argument of some kind. And I think, you know, all of this honestly is part of a bigger discussion about political rhetoric and the way that people are now feeling emboldened to engage in political violence. And I think it's something we all need to thinking about and talking about.

[Jeff Cruer]

Well, it sits, it's, it really is eye opening to see all these different incidents that have occurred in the span of a few months and certainly appreciate your insights on all this. Lindsay, thanks so much for being with us to shed some light on it from a legal perspective. So we'll be following this case very closely. Again, I've got questions about the whole thing. Okay. The whole thing and the information that was presented. I'm one of those that has questions everything from, you know, the pipe bomb story to this, to everything that we were told during COVID to the elections to just questioning folks, just questioning lots of questions. All right, One question that was answered the other day by a CNN data analyst, Harry Enton, was it MAGA will outlast Donald Trump? That was good to hear because we want this movement to continue. Right. Let's check out clip number One, so.

[Clip Commentator]

How much power, and we're talking about influence here do they have on the gop, especially over the long run? Yeah, over the long run. That's what I think is so important here. And it's not just about Donald Trump. It's about the Make America movement again. That's what we're talking about, Make America Great Again movement. And it is as powerful as it has ever been. Because I want you to take a look here. GOP who view MAGA favorably. Two years ago, when Donald Trump was running for term number two, it was 74%. Today, look at this. It's 78% of Republicans who view the Make America Great Again movement favorably. So we are talking about something that, in my opinion, will very much be able to outlast Donald Trump. Trump is in term number two. He can't run for a term number three. But the bottom line is this, what he brought into the GOP looks like it's going to last long beyond him.

[Jeff Cruer]

Amen. Amen. That's great news. Now, when we're talking about why this movement is so important is because look at the other side, folks. Dangerous leftists. And one person that really knew that years ago was one of my heroes, Margaret Thatcher, in an interview that was sort of uncovered the other day, wanted to share it with you. She lays out the strategy of how to deal with it. And this is something we should all follow. Let's check out clip number two.

[Margaret Thatcher (clip)]

Once you start to compromise with the left, first you compromise with the near left, then they're fanatical. I always give them this. They're fanatical. Then you compromise with the middle left, then you find yourselves compromising with the far left. Never forget that some of the tyrannical regimes have come into power by constitutional means. I've traveled in many communist countries there. Is there a correct view? And mercifully here, there is not a correct view. But we've moved in that direction. And one thing which frightens me, there is now a correct union to join in some industries. And if you do not join it, you lose your job under Michael Foot's legislation without compensation, without appeal. That frightens me. A step in that direction frightens me. And we have to fight it now. Now, if you don't fight when the knock comes at your neighbor's door, what right are you to expect them to fight when it comes at your door?

[Jeff Cruer]

Amen, Margaret Thatcher. And one example of a crazed leftist is this guy Jerry Nadler saying what he did about ICE agents. And the rhetoric is just Reprehensible let's check out what this congressman from New York had to say. Let's go to clip number three, the.

[Clip Commentator]

Tax cuts on millionaires and billionaires enacted over the last 10 years. But what is really the major problem in this country today is the fascism in our streets, the attacks on American citizens by masked hoodlums. If you were attacked by a masked person, you might think you were being kidnapped. You'd be justified in shooting the person to protect yourself. But we see people being shot. For what? For driving a car. We see people. We see these, the ICE goons break into people's homes without a warrant. We see them drag out a man, an American citizen, in his underwear, without even permitting him in the snow, without even permitting him to get dressed. This is the major problem we have today, along with the attack in our elections.

[Jeff Cruer]

He's more concerned about the attire of these people. I'm more concerned about the criminal behavior that they've engaged in. All right, we've got a lot to get to as we roll on. Keep it right here on Real America's Voice. Ringside Politics returns right after this.

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[Jeff Cruer]

All right, welcome back, folks. The the world is talking about the kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie and I thought it'd be good to bring on an expert, an author and a Los Angeles based private investigator. Nils Gravilius is with us. And Nils, how are you? Welcome.

[Nils Gravilius]

I think I'm having a lovely day. Jeff, how are you?

[Jeff Cruer]

Very good. Well, I appreciate you joining us, Nils, and talking about this case that the world is really sort of fixated on. Sunday morning, I think about 1:32am Nancy Guthrie went missing. And we've gotten some ransom notes sent to the media, not to the family and have not been able to really get much. We some developments. A car was towed away recently. Investigators spent a lot of time going through the yard. They've been back and forth to the house. Nils, give us your expert view on what's going on here.

[Nils Gravilius]

Well, I think if the any family member were involved in this, the bureau and the Pima county sheriff would already know it would already have a hot lead for that. Towing the car probably meant that they were trying to eliminate somebody as a suspect. And then we have the situation with the ransom note. There have been some fake ransom demands and according to at least two outlets, a ransom demand that was very specific about where they left Nancy Guthrie's apple watch in the house, which was to authenticate their, you know, their abduction of her. They say they're not going to communicate further. They've made a demand for a crypto transfer. The bureau and the sheriff are probably analyzing cell phone metadata going back weeks like they did in the the Coburger case, looking for different cell phones coming and going, coming and going from that neighborhood. Kidnapping like this takes a lot of logistical planning. This was not an impulsive act, I don't think, unless I'm missing something, Jeff, this was very well organized.

[Jeff Cruer]

Yes, discipline. Now, let me ask You a few. Yeah, a few questions here. Now, it seems like the, the kidnapping was performed flawlessly because they got away with it and they've been unable to really find much in all these days. But the, the ransom demands, it seems sort of odd. And they didn't provide proof of life. They haven't been paid yet. There's a real question as to whether the lady is still alive because she needs medication and hasn't received it now and I guess close to a week. So I've heard some say that they, they think these folks were expert robbers, but maybe not expert kidnappers. Although, you know, I'm going to differ.

[Nils Gravilius]

Jeff.

[Jeff Cruer]

Okay, tell us. Yeah, give us your shoes, please.

[Nils Gravilius]

This is a very well planned operation. I'm going to point out that in 2021, Mexico extradited a Chilean national who was a communist who had run a kidnapping ring out of San Miguel de Allende in Mexico successfully for more than a decade. Kidnapping for ransom. Specifically, these were KGB trained men who fled Chile with the rise of Pinochet and operated in complete secrecy out of Mexico. I'm not saying that that group did this. Obviously those are old men now. But somebody mimicking that level of tradecraft has executed a very skilled kidnapping here.

[Jeff Cruer]

Do these things. I mean, you know, we go back in our history to the, what, the Lindbergh baby, you know, Frank Sinatra Jr. Some high profile people that have been kidnapped over the years. But now with the advent of all this technology and surveillance and cameras and abilities that the FBI and the government has, it would seem to me almost impossible to pull this off successfully. But so far they haven't been apprehended. But they haven't gotten any money, have they?

[Nils Gravilius]

They haven't gotten any money yet, but it's still in the offing. One of the things I'm going to point out that's less than obvious. I could demand proof of life in a kidnapping case like this, and a skilled user of artificial intelligence could create a fake video. That would be difficult if somebody took a video of a video to discern as an AI or it would be ambiguous enough that they would have to operate on the assumption that Nancy Guthrie is still alive. I don't hold out a lot of hope that she is. I pray that she is. There was a blood trail at the house, so obviously she or somebody else was injured contemporaneous with the kidnapping. It doesn't look good if it was.

[Jeff Cruer]

What sort of capabilities, what sort of capabilities of law enforcement have to review footage from nearby, you know, highways, you know, it seems like in Tucson, there are a lot of communities there that don't have much lighting, that they, you know, want to enjoy the night sky, so it's dark. And I think in this neighborhood, there was as well, maybe not a lot of people having useful the Catalina Hills.

[Nils Gravilius]

There wasn't a lot of video footage within the neighborhood, but every neighborhood has an ingress and an egress. So they're going to be analyzing flock cameras, which automatically capture license plate numbers, that sort of thing. The reason I keep saying that this was well planned is, Jeff, it involves a lot of reconnaissance. You're going to want to look at the scene many times to ascertain the best approach. Unless I am wrong, and this is a psychopath who just got lucky, meaning got in and got out without being caught, and she's in a hole somewhere. But I don't sense that of this. There is a credible ransom demand because of the positioning of the apple watch. So we have to operate on the belief that this is a skilled kidnapping.

[Jeff Cruer]

Nils, if you were advising the family, would you say pay the ransom without proof of life?

[Nils Gravilius]

I would not.

[Jeff Cruer]

Okay. And do you see this coming to a conclusion where these kidnappers are arrested for this crime?

[Nils Gravilius]

Eventually, yes, it will occur.

[Jeff Cruer]

Yeah, because how often do kidnappers get away with it and get a ransom and not get caught? I mean, that's very rare, right? In this day and age, in this.

[Nils Gravilius]

Country, it's as rare as hen's teeth. But, Jeff, we have a country within a country. There are kidnappings which take place rather regularly in this country by the cartels of other narcotics players that never hit the news. And ransoms are demanded and paid. And sometimes the ransom involves forbearance. In other words, you don't do this and we won't do that because we allow ourselves to have countries formed within our country. A lot of this sort of thing occurs, and we only find out about it later.

[Jeff Cruer]

Niels, thank you for your insights. Really appreciate you coming on with us. And we're praying for an outcome where this family is reunited and Ms. Guthrie is. Is healthy. We'll be watching. All right. Thank you, sir. We'll be watching the super bowl, but not watching. Bad bunny going to be watching right here on Real America's Voice, the turning point USA special. And of course, what we're doing prior to that is called taking back the charts that we're going to be having right here on Real America's Voice prior to the TPUSA Super Bowl. Well, let's talk to someone who's a real expert in this a country and patriotic rock artist, former TV host, founder and CEO of American Rebel. Andy Ross is back with us here in the Ringside Politics program. And Andy, how are you? Welcome man.

[Andy Ross]

I'm doing great. Just blessed man. Happy to be here.

[Jeff Cruer]

Well, why would the NFL choose a divisive political craw? Cross dressing, Spanish singing, Trump hating performer like Bad Bunny and in and you know, precede him with Green Day, which is violently anti Trump. And they hate the conservatives. Very, very left wing. So.

[Andy Ross]

Yeah.

[Jeff Cruer]

Why is the NFL doing that, Andy?

[Andy Ross]

Well, you know, they turned the, they turned the power to pick the halftime shows and the music over to, I think it was Jay Z, I believe, gave him like a 10 year run at it. And you know, there's other people picking the axe. I mean it, it why they would put Bad Bunny on there, I have no idea. But I know and I mean all puns intended. I am definitely hopping over to see my buddy Kid Rock and Lee Bryce sing the paint off the wall at their halftime show, that's for sure.

[Jeff Cruer]

What, what kind of numbers do you think the NFL is going to have to see as far as viewership for the TPUSA event for them to get the message that, you know, they're going in the wrong direction here? Because you look at the, the, the acts that they've brought on, Eminem, you know, very left wing, the guy last year, Kendrick Lamar, left wing, Beyonce left wing. I mean it's like every, every time, I mean they don't have a pro American conservative music act in the super bowl for how long. So what kind of message do we need to send to them viewership wise, you think with this event?

[Andy Ross]

Well, you know, and, and just to mention too, they haven't had a pure rock band do the halftime show since 2010 when the WHO played. And I'm a kind of rock guy, so I like my rock bands. But you know, I enjoy football very much. I mean I, I really do love watching football games and I'll watch, you know, the NFL, you know, it didn't really matter who's playing if that's the only game on, on Thursday night. I really do. But man, they are making it, they are making it so hard for someone to stay and want to stay tuned in. And I, you know, I, I think they're reaching new levels and new levels and new levels of people that are just gonna, at some point are just gonna say, you know what? Enough's enough, I'm over it. I'm not watching anymore. And you know, I've lived in Nashville for seven years, but I was born and raised in Kansas City, so I'm a Chiefs fan. And I've had a good run. You know, last five, six, seven years have been good to me. But it's just getting to the point where. Where I think. I think. I think bigger blocks of people are going to stop tuning in. And I am. I'm wrestling with it myself. I just can't take it.

[Jeff Cruer]

I hope you're right. I. You know, I still watch the games. I won't go to them. I won't spend my money on the Saints because we have the Saints down here because the prices are exorbitant. And, you know, I'm making that statement. I will occasionally go if someone gives me tickets, but I'm not watching. Tomorrow, Bad Bunny going to be watching our programming and what everyone else is hopefully going to be watching Turning Point usa, and let's see what kind of numbers it draws. Hopefully it'll be impressive. Let's talk about something else. Andy, you're a music guy. Of course. We had the Grammys the other night, and this idiot winner talked about stolen land. And then we found out that Billie Eilish's mansion is on stolen land. So should she actually move out and turn over her mansion to the Tongva tribe there?

[Andy Ross]

Yeah, the Tongva tribe. It's ancestry land. And not only should, I guess it's her word, she should turn it over, but I find it interesting that that mansion of hers is in her property, her family, her home, her homestead is well guarded and gated and security. And I'll bet if you and I went over there and walked in the front door and broke out there, you know, the margarita maker, and started making some food and sitting down watching tv, I bet she would call the police. Although her words, there's no one illegal on stolen land. So I don't know why she'd call the police, but it just amazes me that somebody understands that she understands that she needs that privacy, that protection and that security to protect the border of her home.

[Jeff Cruer]

Right.

[Andy Ross]

Well, how you start protecting the border of your own home is by protecting the border of your country. She wants to protect her home, but isn't interested in protecting the border of the country where it all starts, where all of our homes are.

[Jeff Cruer]

You know, that's a great point, Andy, by the way. That's something I will not watch the Grammys. I only saw these clips that people shared with me. I will not watch the Emmys. When I watch the Oscars I just, I hate the direction that these celebrities have gone in. You can't just enjoy the music or the film. You have to get berated with their politics. And just enough is enough. And they're all left wing. Andy, thank you so much for what you do. And thank you so much for being with us here on the ringside politics program. Let's squeeze in one clip before we go to a break. And you know, Andy, talking about keeping our borders secure. Barack Obama used to believe in getting rid of folks who were here illegally. Listen to what he had to say just a few years ago. Let's go to clip number four.

[Barack Obama (clip)]

There are those in the immigrants rights community who have argued passionately that we should simply provide those who are illegally with legal status or at least ignore the laws on the books and put an end to deportation until we have better laws. And often this argument is framed in moral terms. Why should we punish people who are just trying to earn a living? I recognize the sense of compassion that drives this argument, but I believe such an indiscriminate approach would be both unwise and. And unfair. It would suggest to those thinking about coming here illegally that there will be no repercussions for such a decision. And this could lead to a surge in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of people around the world who are waiting in line to come here legally.

[Jeff Cruer]

Boy, the democrat party has changed their messaging on this issue over the years, big time. All right, a lot more to get to as we rol on quick timeout. Keep it right here on ringside on real America's voice. We'll be right back. Ringside politics.

[Clip Commentator]

We report the news to you up front.

[Jeff Cruer]

Ringside politics politics with the flight Ringside politics analysis made crystal clear. Ringside politics with your host, Jeff Crew. Air. All right, one of our good friends is joining us. Forensic psychiatrist, best selling author known as America's psychiatrist. Dr. Carol Lieberman is with us. Hey, Dr. Carol, how are you?

[Dr. Carol Lieberman]

Hi there. Fine, thank you. As fine as one could be. You know, you've been environment.

[Jeff Cruer]

Yeah, yeah, I hear you. So you've been posting about this Savannah Guthrie, her mom, and wanted to share some of the things you've been asking about the reward. You've been wondering why the reward is not bigger, right? I mean, we're talking about, you know, we've seen much bigger rewards. Why don't you think they've increased it?

[Dr. Carol Lieberman]

That is the question. It's something that really infuriates me because, you know, we all can't Help but sort of identify with Savannah and imagine how we would feel if our mother had been abducted. And I can't imagine not begging, borrowing or stealing enough money to order to offer like a million dollar reward for information leading to her capture. It's just. It's just boggles my mind, you know, it kind of makes you wonder. Well, I mean, of course she wants her mother back. I really. I can't figure out the answer. I've been thinking about this for days, right?

[Jeff Cruer]

I mean the nation is transfixed on this and you know, we're talking about something of the utmost important. We got all the resources being deployed here. That just seems odd. I've seen much bigger ones. Let's talk a little bit about the ransom note describing the mother as safe but scared. So as a forensic psychiatrist, this has gotten your attention. Tell us more.

[Dr. Carol Lieberman]

Yes. You know, you don't usually see words about feelings in notes from ransom. People who have abducted someone for ransom and safe but scared. That seems to me purposely chosen those words chosen to get Savannah to act, to provide them with the ransom money. You know, because you think, you're thinking about. You think about your mother being scared. You know, of course that's going to get to your heart and, and that was a little unusual. It seems like the person had more of a personal connection perhaps, you know, which. I mean, I know there's been this. Different opinions about whether the son in law is involved. I don't know. I just know that some people are reporting that and that they took his car. The FBI. But no, this is really. There are a number of things that are really strange about this. But primarily for me, I don't know first of all, why they're not acting faster. I mean, why they didn't act faster. It's just very, very difficult.

[Jeff Cruer]

You know, when. When you look at. The reward is so minimal compared to what we've seen with others and the resources involved here. But the ransom. Do you know how much do we know how much that they're demanding?

[Dr. Carol Lieberman]

Just know the kidnappers, we know millions. I think it's been reported millions in bitcoin. And yes, you know, we, we. I mean people certainly. Savannah Guthrie has been. It's been reported she has a multi million dollar bank account. I haven't seen her bank account. I'm just. But, but this is. It's just boggling my plot. What also boggled my mind is their, Their films, their. Their calls to the. You know, the videos that they made to talk with the, the abductor. It. They really did not seem. First of all, they were not very welcoming. I mean, if the. It's not. It didn't really encourage the abductor to come forward. Yes. They said, we want to hear from you. We want. But with a tone that was almost like a defiant tone, like, you know, who are you? What are you doing? And that's not what you. That's not going to encourage them to come forward.

[Jeff Cruer]

I have to ask you this, Dr. Carol, as someone that saw Silence of the Lambs many times, there's a scene in there where the senator's daughter has been kidnapped, and she appeals to the kidnapper, mentioning her daughter's name, saying, you know, to talk to her. You understand, she's a good person. And that's sort of the same exact language that was used in the video that the Guthrie family made. That seemed to be sort of very odd to me. It's like this movie coming to real life.

[Dr. Carol Lieberman]

Well, yes, actually, there were things that they said about their mother that on the one hand, was very sweet, you know, and it was meant to. To get the sympathy of the abductors. You know, this is a wonderful woman. And. And she's. She has such good heart. Or I'm not. You know, I'm just paraphrasing. But on the other hand, then they were saying things like, well, she's really tough. And, you know, now, remember, this woman has a pacemaker. She may well be tough in terms of her personality, but there are certain physical issues that have a hell of a time limit.

[Jeff Cruer]

Yeah. And you know what? We're going to continue to pray. Dr. Carroll, thank you so much. We appreciate your insights, as always. All right, we're up against it, so let's go. Go to one of my favorite parts of the program where we share our memes of the week. We got some good ones. This is from Kathy in Sulfur. And how appropriate is this? America will never be great until we put God first. Thank you so much for that one, Miss Kathy. Robert in Virginia's got a few for us. Here's the first one. It is illegal not to wear a mask. You get hurt. It is illegal to wear a mask. We want you to get hurt. Yes. And then the next one from Robert in Virginia, there's Bill Gates. Y' all got any more of them std? Antibiotics? Man, if there's one person that came away looking bad, it's him. Let's share our video of the week, sent to us by a Doug in Florida. Let's check it out. You think you can stand here and scare us, huh? You're not protecting anyone. You're the problem. Look at me when I'm talking to you. What are you gonna do, tough guy? You're gonna hide behind that mask? Say something.

[Clip Commentator]

Say something.

[Nils Gravilius]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jeff Cruer]

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