ROYCE WHITE's Interview w/ PBS Frontline | NEW GENERATION IN POLITICS w/ Royce White | EP270

Summary

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Podcast Summary: ROYCE WHITE’s Interview w/ PBS Frontline | NEW GENERATION IN POLITICS w/ Royce White | EP270

Date: January 14, 2026
Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Featured Guest: Royce White (Republican U.S. Senate Candidate, former professional basketball player, activist)

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Overview

This in-depth episode features an extended, unscripted interview between Royce White and a journalist for PBS Frontline’s "American Voices" series. White, a prominent and often controversial figure in new-generation conservative populism, reflects on the past five years—his 2024 Senate run, American politics under Trump’s second presidency, the state of the Republican Party, divisions over issues like Israel and trans policy, and the deeper crisis in American democratic culture. The conversation covers White’s philosophy of candidacy ("tell the truth"), his critique of the American political system, and his strategies and views as he campaigns again for U.S. Senate in Minnesota in 2026.

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Section Summaries & Key Insights

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1. Reflecting on the 2024 Election & Royce’s Campaign

• Election Night ([02:16]):

  • White describes 2024 as one of the most important national elections, not just personally, but for the direction of the country.
  • Hosted a watch party at a hotel; results were “reassuring” even in the face of perceived election insecurity.
  • “My race is, I think, a microcosm of the rest of the country in many respects. Our elections just aren't secure.” – Royce White (03:19)
  • White emphasizes flipping 29 counties, receiving the second-most Republican votes in MN Senate history.

• Election Integrity & Fraud Concerns ([10:11]):

  • Cites past Senate testimony (Amy Klobuchar, Kamala Harris) asserting U.S. voting machines could be hacked.
  • “It’s a matter of fact that your average slot machine at a local casino has a better chain of custody than your average voter machine.” – Royce White (11:40)

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2. Why Run? Identity, Duty, and Narrative Battles

• Motivation for Candidacy ([13:34]):
  • “Because it needed to be done … someone has to stand up and speak the truth. … I represent the exact identity used to break the freedom of this country – that is, being a black man.” (13:41)
  • White frames his run as necessary civil duty, connecting his identity to what he sees as misuse of black men in political culture.
  • “Our nation’s freedom and its future rests upon the edge of a blade.” (13:25)

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3. America Under Trump’s Second Term—Wins and Missed Opportunities

• Trump’s Strengths ([17:01]):
  • "Closing the border was essential ... If you don’t have a border, you don’t have a country." – White on Trump, year one of second term. (17:15)
• Deep Geopolitical Strategy ([18:34]):
  • White discusses "hemispheric defense" vs. the traditional globalist foreign policy dictated by British Empire theories (Mackinder doctrine).
  • Praises Trump’s supposed pivot from globalist to hemispheric strategy.
  • “Probably the most significant turn away from the prevailing geopolitical status quo and corruption ever seen in my lifetime.” (21:58)

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4. On Populist Movements and Divides Within Both Parties

• Populism's Rise & Type ([05:26]):
  • “The question is … will it be nationalist populism or socialist populism? That’s the battle.”
• Republican Civil War ([37:44]):
  • White calls the GOP’s current divides a “tectonic shift.”
  • Frames himself: “Smack dab in the middle … Tries to be the voice of reason, as pragmatic as I can be. I call balls and strikes.” (38:02)
• Endorsements and Party Establishment ([22:28], [46:46]):
  • White claims he doesn’t need Trump’s endorsement; still won the nomination without it.
  • Describes state party, national Republicans, and local members as adversarial to true populism or “the MAGA movement.”

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5. Views on Election Integrity, Democracy & Citizen Responsibility

• Election System Critique ([52:20]):
  • White is highly skeptical of projecting midterm results before “election integrity” is addressed.
  • “I don’t want to fabricate ... It pretends that it’s all fair and equal or that it’s a square game and it’s not.” (52:37–52:42)
• Voter/Candidate Duty ([54:43]):
  • White sees candidacy as civic duty to “inform the American people of the highest formation of truth about the politics of the time.”
  • “If your political candidate’s only goal is to win their election, they’ve already failed you.” (56:33)
• On Democracy as ‘Heresy’ ([111:00]):
  • “I’m against the heresy of democracy: the idea that all democratic majorities are made equal and righteous. That’s not true.” (111:00–111:58)

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6. Trans Issues, School Policy, and Parental Rights

• Trans Youth Controversies ([24:32], [29:57]):
  • Attacks Democratic opponent Peggy Flanagan for public trans-supportive stances; calls them “intense” and “right or wrong, not even.”
  • Argues parental consent rights are paramount; cites the spread of gender ideology in schools as a litmus test for American citizenship and parental power.
  • “It is the most obvious … clear line in the sand about the rights of parents and the right for parents to have informed consent.” (28:12)

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7. Trump, Term Limits, and War with China

• Third-Term Hypotheticals ([30:02]):
  • Entertains Trump for a third term via legal loopholes or as VP; says, “Absolutely” Trump should pursue another term “because we are at war with China.” (33:25)
  • “We are in an asymmetrical war with China. It’s already begun. … It’s World War III.” (32:58)

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8. Black Fourth, Race, and Identity Politics

• Black Fourth Movement & Cultural Protests ([14:23], [15:11]):
  • Reflects on leading silent protests in 2020: “By some stretch of the imagination, a handful of black men were able to bring together not only a peaceful protest, but a silent one.” (15:14)
  • Critiques Republicans for failing to show up or speak on race issues in 2020; says identity is “strategically used to undermine the very fabric of this nation.” (13:41)

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9. Policy, Pragmatism, and Legislative Intent

• Not About ‘Votes,’ But Truth ([52:59], [54:43]):
  • White says he’s not primarily trying to “get votes,” but to provide citizens with the unvarnished truth.
  • Sees U.S. Senate as the world’s most deliberative body; his role: to inject truth, not collaboration or compromise with “the machine.”
  • “If you sit home and you’re not willing to put your hat, your name in the hat, then you can’t say, oh, well, the American people made the wrong choice. Well, why didn’t you run?” (55:03)

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10. Media Strategy, Alternative Platforms, and Public Interviews

• New Media vs. Legacy Media ([96:17], [97:41]):
  • White uses podcasts, live-streams, and social to record and post full interviews—“to correct the record” rather than rely on establishment media.
  • “We’ve done a pretty good job of correcting the record on who I am and what I think about the most important issues of the day.” (97:00)
  • Praises Steve Bannon, criticizes all legacy outlets for misrepresentation or complacency.

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11. Contentious Topics: Israel, Epstein, Anti-Semitism, & Foreign Policy

• On Israel & Party Division ([133:00], [156:22]):

  • Asserts Epstein operated with Israeli intelligence links; says both U.S. parties are compromised by special interests, especially Israeli lobbies.
  • “Jeffrey Epstein was working with Israeli intelligence. … I do think there was a joint—maybe—operation with the CIA, MI6 as well.” (133:01)
  • Criticizes the inability to question Israeli policy within the Republican Party, calling Israel the real dividing line, supplanting earlier wedge issues.
  • “[Israel] becomes this revolving door of stifling the conversation … in that way, it’s duplicitous and dishonest.” (147:29)

• On the Nick Fuentes/Groyper Movement & Jewish Identity ([149:04], [150:00]):

  • Argues that identity politics are weaponized in both black and Jewish communities, that elites evade critique, and that this avoidance enables the Far Right.
  • “Every time a Jewish person fails to do that, they are adding ammunition … to Nick Fuentes and the Groypers.” (151:00–151:50)

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12. Somali Community, Immigration, and Confronting Trump’s Rhetoric

• On Somali Minnesotans & Trump’s Comments ([66:02], [75:17]):
  • White takes an unapologetic stance, asserting that the “answer to Somalia is in Somalia, not Minneapolis.”
  • Defends Trump’s remarks as directed at individuals involved in fraud, not all Somalians, but critiques the difficulty of discussing such topics openly.
  • Argues that those upset are “confused in large part”; after dialogue at a town hall, there was “understanding and common ground.” (83:09–84:11)

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13. Violence, Polarization, and the Decay of Civic Culture

• 2026 Political Violence ([60:02]):
  • Links volatility and recent assassinations to intentional decay—a deliberate policy eroding civic skill, reading, and engagement.
  • On the murder of Charlie Kirk: “A sad and tragic day for this country to see a young man with that bright of a future killed in that horrific way.” (64:32)

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14. Philosophy of Citizenship, Convenience, and the Craving for Tyranny

• Citizen Responsibility & Tyranny ([162:01]):
  • Asserts, “Convenience will be the death of freedom…tyranny ultimately abnegates the responsibility of the citizen, so, in that way, even tyranny can become a modality of convenience.” (162:05)
  • Reiterates: “You get the government you deserve, and by God, we all will.” (59:20, 115:16)

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15. Concluding Reflections: Hope, Cultural Change, and What’s Next

• Vision for the Future ([183:13]):
  • “I hope that we have a real awakening in this country of what’s important, that people are more interested in conversations like this one and that we hold ourselves to a higher standard as citizens, politically, culturally, spiritually, intellectually.” (183:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Election, Narrative & Trump:
  “I think President Trump won the narrative. … He won the American cultural narrative. That’s something different than the tally of the votes.” (03:58)

• On Candidacy Purpose:
  “If your political candidate’s only goal is to win their election, they’ve already failed you.” (56:33)
  “I’m going to run until I die. Because it would be dishonest if I didn’t give the American people this message and this option when they go to cast their ballot.” (55:03)

• Populism & Identity Politics:
  “The identity of the black man has been strategically used to undermine the fabric of this nation. So I’m uniquely positioned … to step up and speak the truth.” (13:41)

• On Political Theater:
  “American politics has become, you know, mostly theater. … The real crisis … the future of this nation rests upon the edge of a blade.” (38:38)

• On Israel:
  “Israel is a geopolitical cornerstone of a globalist agenda … our inability to talk honestly about Israel is a main fault line of our party’s divisions.” (134:08, 157:13)

• On Freedom and Tyranny:
  “Freedom is a luxury ... we talk about freedom but we deeply crave tyranny.” (163:16)

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Key Timestamps for Segments

• [02:16] – Recounting 2024 Election Night
• [10:11] – Election Fraud & Voting Machine Security
• [13:34] – Why Royce White Ran (Identity, Duty)
• [17:01] – Trump’s Successes (Border, Hemispheric Policy)
• [24:32] – Trans Issues, Parental Rights
• [30:02] – Trump Third Term and U.S.-China Rivalry
• [37:44] – GOP Civil War, Internal Party Divisions
• [46:46] – Establishment Opposition, Endorsement Dynamics
• [52:20] – Election Integrity & Purpose of Candidacy
• [60:02] – Political Violence and Decay of Civic Culture
• [66:02] – Somali Community, Immigration, Trump Remarks
• [83:09] – Race, Identity, Town Hall Reflections
• [96:17] – New Media vs. Legacy Media Strategy
• [133:00] – Israel, Epstein, and Intelligence Agencies
• [156:22] – Israel as Litmus for GOP Division
• [162:01] – Civic Duty, Convenience, Craving for Tyranny
• [183:13] – Final Reflections, Call for Awakening

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Royce White’s approach is unapologetically populist, rooted in civil duty, truth-telling, and distrust of legacy political and media institutions.
• He frames issues through grand historical and geopolitical narratives, viewing current divides as both tactical and philosophical.
• His campaign message: America needs candidates who speak the unvarnished truth even when it’s uncomfortable, and voters must demand far more rigor, courage, and honesty—from both themselves and elected leaders.
• Topics like election security, national sovereignty, and debates over identity and foreign intervention are not just policy disputes, but existential cultural crossroads.

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(Summary structured for clarity, depth, and direct quote/source attribution. Includes core themes and timestamped highlights for reference and navigation.)

Transcript

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[Royce White]

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[Interviewer]

They tricked me once, but they're not going to trick me twice. The time is now. Great, Royce, thanks so much. We've been trying to get you all, get you down here to sit with us, and we've been, you know, following you for the past five years, since 2020, for the American Voices series, that which has now become sort of a series or a longitudinal wider documentary. And I want to ask, my first question is, you know, the last time our team sat down with you in 2024, you're running on the Republican nominee ticket for US Senate. Where were you on election night and what was that like?

[Royce White]

I mean, it's one of the most important elections in the history of our nation. And not because of my race, not as only important in my life personally, but just more so for the. For the nation, the presidential election. And I had a election watch party. You call, Right? Yeah, we had a watch party.

[Interviewer]

And were you at home or like, where were you? Yeah, where was.

[Royce White]

I was at a hotel.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Royce White]

Yeah, at a hotel. And, you know, it was what you would expect it to be. You know, just people who worked on the campaign. People are close to me, some Family members and whatnot. And we sat there and watched the votes get tallied like everybody else. Presidential election obviously rolled into the night somewhat, but the numbers were looking good early on. You know, my race is, I think, a microcosm of the rest of the country in many respects. Our elections just aren't secure. And that's the reality of how we live in this country right now, I.

[Interviewer]

Guess, Maybe backing up and.

[Royce White]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Forgive me for thinking out loud and, you know. Yeah, I just.

[Royce White]

Go ahead. Would you.

[Interviewer]

Are you saying that your. Your race was compromised or, like, I'm confused.

[Royce White]

I think all America. I think America's elections in general are compromised.

[Interviewer]

I guess it begs the question, like, but do you think Trump won?

[Royce White]

Like, I think so. I'm just.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Does that make sense? I'm trying to understand.

[Royce White]

I think President Trump won the narrative. I think President Trump won the American cultural narrative. And because he won the narrative, cheating that may or may have not happened in the previous election, 2020, was probably not present in 2024. That's what I think. I think. I think. I think President Trump. I think the disaffection. Disaffection with Joe Biden's administration, Joe Biden's approval, Joe Biden's cognitive decline, some of the lies that were told while Joe Biden was president. And then in a true, sort of undemocratic fashion, putting Kamala Harris up without a real election as the candidate, the Democrat nominee was a perfect storm where President Trump was able to capitalize and talk about things that maybe otherwise the country wasn't willing to hear or whatever marginal percentage necessary, you know, as they say in the middle to swing an election from one side of the other. So, you know, he, again, he won the narrative. That's something different than the tally of the votes.

[Interviewer]

Let's focus a little bit about your election, for example. Can we. Can we get back up to, like, your campaign, though? Because.

[Royce White]

I want to say this, for example.

[Interviewer]

Oh, sure, yeah.

[Royce White]

President Trump and the MAGA movement or the nationalist populist movement. The populist movement that's on the rise all around the world is irrefutable. The momentum of populism, I think, is a foregone conclusion. The question is, what type of populism will we have in this country and more so all around the world. Will it be nationalist populism or socialist populism? We see that battle right now for power of the two political parties. There's a nationalist populist movement that is obviously taking a hold of the Republican Party and There's a socialist populist movement that's currently trying to take hold of the Democratic Party. So President Trump was able to win a narrative where just the right coalition of people and the right disaffection with the previous administration allowed him to have momentum that they could see rolling into Election Day. And if I'm them, I'm saying, what are our two options? Do we cheat with the entire world watching and lose our credibility, lose the credibility of the institutions forever? Or, or do we allow him to win, allow things to take their natural course and wait him out? And I do believe that people who have the international power brokers and let's say, special interests and lobbies that have had the power to interfere in elections previously, made an educated Democratic a risk benefit analysis of the situation and made a decision that it's much more strategic to let President Trump win naturally and try and slow down his second term and his agenda by institutional means rather than cheating in the election. Okay, so they let him win to wait him out, because at the end of the day, he only had four years left. And, and what could he, what could he really do with four years if the United States Senate and Congress, even under a Republican majority, are still beholden to the same special interests and lobby money, very limited in what he could do. And they knew that. I, I, I hear that. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

But let's, let's, let's back up to my election.

[Royce White]

Okay, well, let's, my election's the easy one to choose.

[Interviewer]

Hold on, let's back, let's back up to 20.

[Royce White]

24. So, yes, that's what I'm doing. 24.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, 24.

[Royce White]

Mine's an easy one to change.

[Interviewer]

But just, just, just for the sake of like, sort of addressing what you just said, I think at the end of the day, Trump won the presidential election, whereas you were unable to win Your, the Republican, you were the Republican nominee for Senate, but on paper. So what was it like that night to see the numbers come through and how did you reassuring, please expand.

[Royce White]

Yeah, Well, I flipped 29 counties and I got the second most votes in the history of the United States Senate. Only second to. I got the second most votes in the history of the Minnesota Republican Party for a United States Senate candidate. Second to Jason Lewis, former Congressman Jason Lewis of Congressional District 2, who I think got 1.5 million votes when he ran last.

[Interviewer]

So I guess, what were you feeling on that night? Like, like in the lead up? Because I remember when we interviewed. Yeah, when you interviewed you, you were very, like, rare to Go. And. And I wish we interviewed you on that night.

[Royce White]

But the numbers were reassuring.

[Interviewer]

I see.

[Royce White]

The numbers were reassuring because what it said is, look, the establishment that Amy Klobuchar represents is deeply entrenched on both sides of the aisle. And the fact that I was able to win an endorsement at a statewide convention for the Republican Party and that I was able to win a statewide primary and become the nominee was the victory was to hold the right side of the aisle in Minnesota Republican politics. And the fact that the establishment saw it fit to what I would say, manufacture, influence the results of the election and still have me be the second most votes in the history of the Minnesota Republican Party says a lot about how much work I did on the narrative.

[Interviewer]

Quick question. Have you reported, like, reported fraud for your election? Like, have you?

[Royce White]

No. I mean, who would.

[Interviewer]

I mean, I'm just wondering if, like. Because you're saying that it was at.

[Royce White]

The end of the day, after President Trump in 2020 brought a number of election fraud claims to a number of courts across the country and was basically turned down on the basis that technically, voting machine technology is proprietary technology, and the patent courts and the copyright courts are protecting the voting machines from having real forensic auditing. And that's why when people say that 2020 election fraud claims were brought to the courts and denied, it wasn't actually denied because it was never truly investigated. It wasn't looked into. The judges had an obligation legally based on proprietary and patent law, not they technically or legally couldn't look into the technology inside the machines. And so, I mean, the entire narrative from the mainstream media about 2020 is completely negligible. It's, it's, it's, it's radical misinformation, and they all know it. Okay, your average, Your average. This is the. I said this before and I'll continue to say it. There's a reason why Amy Klobuchar in 2018 went before a United States senatorial committee and demonstrated, she actually demonstrated that the machines could be hacked. Kamala Harris was a part of that same demonstration, that same U.S. senate panel or demonstration. So the fact that my opponent in 2024 and President Trump's opponent in 2024 have both previously been on the record saying that the machines can, in fact be hacked tells us that the security of our election shouldn't even be up for debate. The question is, how much cheating is there? The next question is, how do we find the cheating? It's just like Edward Snowden said, the way that they have the system set up is you have to do something illegal in order to find the evidence you need to prove the corruption. And as far as elections go, it's a matter of fact. It's not an opinion, it's not conjecture, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's a matter of fact that your average slot machine at a local casino has a better chain of custody than your average voter machine.

[Interviewer]

I guess for myself, I don't know that I know enough about the technology to be able to quote that other than to say that I'm kind of rolling with you running again. Basically, you ran in 2024, which I want to underscore and highlight. It's really exciting. I mean, we. I was. I remember being. I forget which building it was filming you plan Black Fourth, that, that march, and, and just the idea of you. I. I wouldn't have been able to predict that you would get the. The Republican nomination for the U.S. senate in 2024. So, I mean, that's. I. I would agree with you in that. How exciting to be.

[Royce White]

To.

[Interviewer]

To. To have that role in 2024.

[Royce White]

It's not exciting. It's daunting. It's heroin.

[Interviewer]

Can it be both, though, right?

[Royce White]

No, can't be both.

[Interviewer]

Can't be exciting and intimidating.

[Royce White]

Our nation is the. The. The freedom of this country and the future of this country rests upon the edge of a blade.

[Interviewer]

But why did you run then? I mean, what was the point?

[Royce White]

Because it's necessary.

[Interviewer]

Oh, okay.

[Royce White]

Because it needed to be done. Okay. Because somebody has to do it. Somebody has to stand up and speak the truth.

[Interviewer]

Why does it have to be you?

[Royce White]

Because I'm uniquely positioned to do it. One, I know the issues, but two, I represent the exact identity used to break the freedom of this country. That is being a black man. Yeah. The identity of the black man has been strategically used to undermine the very fabric of this nation. So I'm uniquely positioned as somebody young, willing, courageous enough and. And well versed enough on the policies and the issues like election integrity, for example, to. To step up and speak the truth.

[Interviewer]

We can. I want to loop back to that, actually.

[Royce White]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

But for now, I do want apropos.

[Royce White]

To the Black Fourth, truly.

[Interviewer]

I mean, like. Yeah.

[Royce White]

And, yeah, I was uniquely positioned to do that as well.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. With Tayo and the 10K.

[Royce White]

Yes. Very uniquely positioned to do that. Sure. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Okay. So we are at the end of Trump's first year of his second term. Term.

[Royce White]

Remember that? Remember those T shirts from the Black Fourth with Frederick Douglass's face on it?

[Interviewer]

I do, yeah.

[Royce White]

That was interesting how that, how symbolically that. That. That would roll into 2024. Moral. Frederick Douglass was not a Democrat, by the way.

[Interviewer]

Oh, yeah. Yes.

[Royce White]

Actually. Actually, I believe the first 23. The first 23 black members of Congress were Republicans.

[Interviewer]

But the thing that everyone remembers, because I was actually talking with my team, but also just in general about what we were filming, were the chains on the ground.

[Royce White]

Oh, beautiful.

[Interviewer]

I mean, just the, the power of the march.

[Royce White]

Yes. Silent. Remember how the whole city was burning down and by some stretch of the imagination, a handful, a handful of black men were able to bring together not only a peaceful protest, but a silent one. And it was silent. You were there the whole time. It went off silent without a hitch.

[Interviewer]

The. The sparklers were going off. Smoke.

[Royce White]

It was.

[Interviewer]

It's powerful.

[Royce White]

What does it say? And I say this to some of my Republican colleagues or commentators. I say, where were you all in 2020?

[Interviewer]

What do they say?

[Royce White]

What can they say?

[Interviewer]

What did they say?

[Royce White]

I guess they don't say anything. They sit there and they. They sit there in shock because the elephant in the room has been. Has been. The curtain has been pulled from the elephant in the room. They were afraid. In 2020, Republicans and conservatives all across this country were bullied into their homes by government policy and Covid. And they were also bullied into their homes by the Black Lives Matter protests. They were. They were. They were unwilling to speak the truth because of the cultural narrative they had already conceded defeat to.

[Interviewer]

I do want to talk about the Republicans for sure, but I do want to talk about Trump's first year.

[Royce White]

Yeah. Go ahead.

[Interviewer]

Of his second term. Where has he done a good job, Trump, and where do you think he could have done better?

[Royce White]

Well, they closed the border. That was great. I mean, that was of. Of that was.

[Interviewer]

Sorry, I just reviewed. Pardon my. All over the place. I. I just reviewed the last interview you did with Arthur, and he did something that I forget I should do. I got so sent up.

[Royce White]

Oh, you want me to say what?

[Interviewer]

It's not even that. It's more just. We're not going to probably include my voice in this, and I forget that in our conversations.

[Royce White]

So in President Trump's first term.

[Interviewer]

Exactly. Like, it's the ice cream question. Like, what flavor ice cream did you have? My favorite flavor of ice cream. It's. Yeah. So let's just. I'll try to remind myself and Mark, please hold me accountable. Sorry about that.

[Royce White]

Yeah. What do I think about what President Trump has done so far in his first term or in the first year? Of his second term, closing the border was essential and he, and he successfully did that. If you don't have a border, you don't have a country. China has a border, Israel has a border. Canada has a border. A lot of European countries have borders, although they're having problems with them. But I can't just cross over into Saudi Arabia and live there and ask the Saudi government to fund me living there through government subsidies, although they do have some pretty nifty programs there in the UAB and some of these places. But you have to have a border. If you don't have a border, you don't have a country. President Trump did that. I think that's the most significant and was the most necessary thing that needed to happen.

[Interviewer]

I mean, there's, there's still immigration that continues to happen. There's still tourism, etc.

[Royce White]

Yeah, tourism, immigration. Yeah. But like not unfettered, unfettered, unlimited illegal immigration. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

More about his first term that, that you either agree with, that you felt very passionate about what he's been doing, but also what do you think he could have done better on?

[Royce White]

I like hemispheric strategy.

[Interviewer]

What is it?

[Royce White]

Hemispheric strategy, please. Yeah, hemispheric strategy, hemispheric defense. I think if you go all the way back to some of the foundations of the prevailing Western philosophy, political philosophy, you take an example like Halford, John McKinder's Rhode island theory, the Mackinder Land theory, which essentially said that he who controls Eastern Europe, controls the heartland. He who controls the heartland controls the natural resources of the Eurasian world island. This is, this has been the prevailing political philosophy, geopolitical philosophy of the entire Western world.

[Interviewer]

Pardon my lack of knowledge. You're more knowledgeable about this than me. But I guess, where does Trump fit in his first term of this? I'm going to tell you first.

[Royce White]

I'm going to tell you. Yeah, let me tell you.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Royce White]

The prevailing, and this is what I mean by people don't interview me because they don't want to hear what it really is. I don't mind. Okay. The prevailing geopolitical. I don't give a, about, you know, the cookie, the cookie cutter questions. I'm going to tell you exactly what's going on in the world because that's what the United States Senate candidates should do.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. But I also have questions.

[Royce White]

Yes, but every question you ask, I'm going to tell you the truth, as deep as and as, as far as we have to go, in order to tell you the prevailing geopolitical Philosophy of Western society has been the Post World War II Democrat, liberal order. It was informed by the British Empire's academic idea by John Halford Mackinder that warfare was going to change in the near future, that it was going to modernize technology. And it would be important for the British Empire to change their military and business model because you need to be able to get to the resources. You need to be able to walk to the resources that you need. Okay? And what Halford, John Mackinder was telling the British Empire in this academic treatise that he wrote, this academic paper is warfare is about to change. And you're an island and you're a naval power. You have problems. You have to get control of the entire European continent and even more importantly, the entire European Europe. Eurasian world island, all of the 50% of the world's natural resources in the Eastern Hemisphere is what the British Empire has to try and get control over, which starts in Ukraine, which starts in Eastern Europe, which is called the heartland, the breadbasket of Europe. He who controls Eastern Europe controls the Eurasian world island. This was their theory. And there were three forces, three opposing forces, three theoretical forces that Mackinder warned would be a threat to Great Britain's dominance over the world island. A Sino Russo alliance, a Russo German alliance, and a totalitarian German war machine. All three of them would play out over the next two world wars. All three of those alliances would become Great Britain's foreign policy. I say it for a reason. Great Britain's foreign policy after World War II became America's foreign policy. And we have defended that foreign policy ever since. So when President Trump says that we're going to move to a hemispheric defense or a hemispheric strategy, it is probably the most significant turn away from the prevailing geopolitical status quo and corruption ever seen in my lifetime.

[Interviewer]

Are you in favor of said strategy?

[Royce White]

Of course. 1,000%.

[Interviewer]

Okay, 1,000% begs the question to me. Are you in your campaign? Are you looking for Trump's endorsement? No, sorry, could you put that into a sentence?

[Royce White]

No, I'm not looking for Trump's endorsement in my campaign. It'd be great, but I'm not. I mean, it doesn't matter one way or another. I would accept his endorsement. Okay.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I was like, that was.

[Royce White]

I would. Slower. I would like his endorsement, but I ran a race already and he didn't endorse me. And what did I want anyway?

[Interviewer]

Fair.

[Royce White]

Yeah. So, I mean, I won. I won an endorsement in Minnesota statewide, and I won a statewide primary without his Endorsement. Now, I think his endorsement would have helped. It would have made it even easier. But, you know, I just. Tell the truth. I don't really need a co signature.

[Interviewer]

I hear you.

[Royce White]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I guess I'm wondering just because this is your second time running. Yeah, yeah. Like, what is your strategy now for this election as opposed to last election?

[Royce White]

Start earlier, Tell the truth.

[Interviewer]

How do you do that?

[Royce White]

Well, we started earlier. As soon as the last election was over, we announced a run for reelection in 2026 for Tina's seat. Now Tina's resigned. She's not going to run for reelection. And we have two very vulnerable candidates who seem to be the front runners for the Democrat nominee. Angie Craig, who for some strange reason, many in her own Democrat. Her own Democrat Party feel she's more of a Republican almost. It's almost laughable to us as me as a MAGA candidate, I'm like Angie Craig, Republican. That's the very establishment that we're trying to break. I mean, I'd rather give me the. Give me the social. The socialist populace. Let me know where you really stand. These lukewarm, sort of centrist establishment politicians on both sides of the aisle are the people who crippled this country. So. And now my fundamental difference with the other candidate, which would be current Lieutenant governor Peggy Flanagan. I mean, there's just no defense of the transgender kid ideology. Trans children ideology.

[Interviewer]

I'm sorry, where does that size in.

[Royce White]

Oh, because Peggy Flanagan is the, you know, the lieutenant governor of Minnesota and she is infamous for wearing a T shirt that said protect trans kids with a blade on it, with a knife. So it's implying that you. You should protect trans kids, even if it's by violent means.

[Interviewer]

I have to look at that. Look at that image. That's.

[Royce White]

That's intense. That's a very intense image. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

All right.

[Royce White]

Very strange for. Very strange for the Democrat party. And the Democrat state House actually endorsed Peggy Flanagan already to be the candidate. Very strange for a Democrat.

[Interviewer]

Has there been endorsed, like a straight up endorsement?

[Royce White]

Yeah, they endorsed her. The majority of them individually endorsed her. Okay.

[Interviewer]

But she has the. She doesn't have the number.

[Royce White]

That hasn't happened yet.

[Interviewer]

Copy. Okay.

[Royce White]

This was. This was an individual endorsement from individual state House Democrats.

[Interviewer]

I hear you.

[Royce White]

I hear. But it is very strange for them to double down on the trans. On the trans platform, the trans kids platform, in the wake of young Catholic school children being shot at enunciation in Minneapolis by a transgender shooter. Yeah, that's a strange political strategy. Pretty brazen if you ask me.

[Interviewer]

You're Quite passionate about the transgender issue, I assume, as well, too.

[Royce White]

I don't, I wouldn't say I'm so passionate about it, just as, you know, pretty, pretty matter of fact about it being right or wrong. And I don't even. What's scary is I think a lot of people in America a, aren't really aware of, of what's going on in that, that realm of things. And when they are and when you ask them, people pretty much unanimously agree on the right and wrong of it. The problem is, I think people ignore how big a part of the Democrat platform it really is and has been recently for their own other political agendas. Individual, you know, as individual citizens. Like, for example, the trans kids issue has been a firm piece of the Democrat Party's platform since Barack Obama, you know, really, but really kicked up a notch in 2016 on. And, you know, I just don't know how any mother, single mother, single black mother can still vote Democrat when their political leaders are advocating that schools can transition their children without informing the parent, without consent.

[Interviewer]

Is that the policy?

[Royce White]

Oh, for sure.

[Interviewer]

I'll have to look that up.

[Royce White]

For sure. That's for sure, the policy.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Well, not going down that road as much just because I do want to sort of like talk a little bit more about your campaign, but also I'm curious more about the Republic.

[Royce White]

That's interesting, though. You just had a, you just had a newborn baby yourself. Yes, that's it. How do you, how do you feel about that? I mean, how would just in general, what do you think about sending your kid to grade school and some first or second grade teacher who has a political philosophy about gender or gender, gender pronouns or whatever the case may be from their university or wherever they learned it, their political activism, and they teach your child that at the school during the day without your consent.

[Interviewer]

I mean, honestly, I haven't thought about it. He is like 12 weeks old right now. So. But now, but now that you plant the sea off the. To think about that because.

[Royce White]

Okay. Because I'll tell you, as a father of four, four teenagers.

[Interviewer]

Oh, I didn't know it was four.

[Royce White]

Yeah, four teenagers. 15, 14, 12 and 11. As a father of four, I wouldn't say it's the issue I'm most passionate about politically, but it is the most obvious, or let's say clear line in the sand about the rights of parents and the right for parents to have informed consent about what's going on with their children at the school, what they're being taught, but certainly what they're Being encouraged to do or not do medically by the school. I mean, frankly, any puberty blockers, you know, even the way that children are dressing and sort of a blur between. You could call mental health services at the school a conflation between mental health services and gender ideology. These are, these should be deeply concerning because it involves our nation's children. So by way of it's our nation's future. And you look at the numbers and you see that in the advent of this TikTok Instagram real society and all of the transgender ideology that's been pushed there, the self identification in Gen Z. Is that what I Gen Z?

[Interviewer]

I think so, yeah.

[Royce White]

The self identification of non binary and Gen Z has increased tenfold, twenty fold. Not a natural, not a natural increase by any standard of scientific metrics, of any social measurements in history. It's one of the most explosive ideologies that we've seen in the last 200 years in this country. Not natural or organic at all.

[Interviewer]

I have one question about Trump real quick because it kind of went off base for a second. Would you support the President if he pursued a third term?

[Royce White]

TRUMP 20, 28. Sounds good to me. Yeah, I like it.

[Interviewer]

What about the 22nd Amendment?

[Royce White]

No, there are ways around it, that's for sure. How so? I mean, I mean, there are ways around it. There are legal bases for him to be able to run for a third term. One, he definitely could run as vice president. And that, that's always been floated as an idea for presidents who have great approval ratings. They floated it with Reagan, they floated it with Clinton. So you can, you can run as vice president and that's completely constitutionally legal.

[Interviewer]

Okay, well, I hear you, but you know, I would argue like how that's a, that's a controversial view.

[Royce White]

Yeah, because it's controversial times, truly.

[Interviewer]

But I imagine, I mean, that, that that's causing a lot of stir and concern and fear around.

[Royce White]

Why?

[Interviewer]

Because the precedent is not as clear to have a third term in this modern time and.

[Royce White]

Oh, really?

[Interviewer]

Is it President?

[Royce White]

The precedent for who? For, for Western society or for America.

[Interviewer]

Or who for the United States?

[Royce White]

Because it's funny, because Zelensky won't even hold a presidential election in Ukraine.

[Interviewer]

Well, we're talking about the U.S. oh.

[Royce White]

So just the U.S. i mean, that's interesting though, that the standard is just for the US because we have a global dollar empire. Hold on, wait a second. We have a global dollar empire in which we pretend we should be the arbiter and the standard bearer for how everybody else runs their country all over the world. So it's funny to then go, oh, but we're just talking about America. Are we really? Well, here I don't think we are. Well, here's what I'm saying, because in China, President Xi is now present for life.

[Interviewer]

Hold on for a second. I'm talking about your voters. So in other words, oh, my voters.

[Royce White]

Should be deeply concerned my voters should be deeply concerned about what the universal standard is for politics from here to Beijing, because America is deeply involved in the politics from here to Beijing, intimately involved in the politics from here to Beijing. And I do think it's a bait and switch or a sort of three card Monty to hold America to one standard in this sort of abstract vacuum and then go, oh, but, but in China, President Xi could be president for life and that's their choice to make. Is it? Because we fund it? See, because here's the thing. If we are diametrically opposed to the idea that a president should have anything more than two terms, then we should decouple from China in all business. If we're going to say on a, on a principled basis that China's formation of government and their support of President Xi being president for more than, than he was supposed to be for life. President for life, Emperor for life. If that's the case, then we should try and decouple from them and in all supply chains and international partnership or business. But we don't want to do that. So in that sense, a lot of people have political opinions, but they never want to put their money where their mouth is. So I guess that's my problem with it.

[Interviewer]

So I guess what do you say to the voting population, the voter, your voters, who are concerned about.

[Royce White]

I would say we are in, we are in an asymmetrical war with the ccp. We are in an asymmetrical war with China. It's already begun. It's World War iii. And it's, it's, it's cyber, it's informational, it's cultural, it's chemical, it's, it's, it's kinetic. And so hold on, are you saying.

[Interviewer]

That you are encouraging Trump to go for a third term because we're in war, we're at war with China? Is that what you're saying?

[Royce White]

Absolutely.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Royce White]

Absolutely. Yeah. We are, we are. Anybody who, Anybody who, first of all, anybody who pretends like we are not at war with China is not being even remotely honest. The war is right out in the open. The war has been declared. It's not A matter of there's a trade war. There's a trade and economic war. There's an arms race for artificial intelligence supremacy. There's a connect which has the undertones of a kinetic and nuclear war. That's why we are playing chicken with each other's battleships out in the South China Sea. So the pretense for war. We're already further along the track in the kinetic part of the third World war than we were in the precursor to World War II.

[Interviewer]

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[Royce White]

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[Interviewer]

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[Royce White]

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[Interviewer]

Season. At the same time, the Trump and XI are talking like they are in conversation. They've had meeting. So it's not like it's an.

[Royce White]

Active. Oh no, it's, it's, it's a, it's a wink and not coy gentleman's agreement that until the guns really start shooting, we're going to do everything we can to avert the, the highest level of kinetic warfare. And that's what good leaders should do. I mean that's, I don't even want to say good leaders. I would say leaders who are even remotely interested in their own self preservation would do that. That doesn't make them, that doesn't make them friends or allies or that doesn't mean that we have peace. Because they're talking. They're talking because it's their duty to talk. It's their duty as the leader of their nations to have some conversation with each other and try and avert war. And I do think they're trying to avert war. I do think there are other forces who would like to see us go to war. And I do think there is a scenario where war may be inevitable because the two cultures are diametrically opposed in our fundamental beliefs about how government in a country should be constructed back to the nationalist populace versus socialist populist.

[Interviewer]

Dichotomy. When I make a documentary about China and the U.S. let's return to the issue. But I want to go back to a point you brought up earlier and that is about.

[Royce White]

Republicans.

[Interviewer]

Yes. What do you make of event of the events that as of late divided the Republican Party? I'm thinking about Israel. Oh, I mean this one of like many things like the Epstein.

[Royce White]

Files.

[Interviewer]

Israel. Marjorie Taylor.

[Royce White]

Greene.

[Interviewer]

Israel. You keep saying Israel. Please, please. Okay. Yeah. Do you want to talk about.

[Royce White]

Israel. Well, I mean, you said Epstein Israel. Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Interviewer]

Israel. I mean, the Epstein files has become such a. Such.

[Royce White]

A. It's an Israel.

[Interviewer]

Issue. So the release of the Epstein files as it pertains to Trump and his.

[Royce White]

Involvement.

[Interviewer]

Yes. Has to do with.

[Royce White]

Israel. Absolutely. In my opinion.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Okay, well, let's set that aside for a.

[Royce White]

Second.

[Interviewer]

Okay. But there are disagreements with. In the Republican Party as of.

[Royce White]

Late.

[Interviewer]

Sure. So.

[Royce White]

How. Healthy disagreements in the Republican.

[Interviewer]

Party. With every party, there are disagreements. Yes, totally.

[Royce White]

Fine. So necessary disagreements. For the first time in American history, the Republican Party, that is, who is at least theoretically and philosophically charged with the. To. To. To steward and be the vanguard of American freedom or a Republican form of government has been compromised and has been bought and paid for by special interests and lobbies. The same special interests and lobbies on the other side of the aisle, for the most part, same interest, same goal, same agenda, which is a global empire, globalism, the undermining of national sovereignty and nationhood. A borderless society. A society that's borderless either by unfettered, unlimited illegal immigration or by unrestricted free trade. Yeah. You know, the, The Republican Party for the first time in American history, or in recent. In the short 21st century. I mean, there have been divisions for some time, but in the party time, in the short. In the short 21st.

[Interviewer]

Century.

[Royce White]

Okay. The. The Republican Party is going through a true tectonic shift.

[Interviewer]

Yes. Where do you find yourself in these.

[Royce White]

Divisions? Smack dab in the.

[Interviewer]

Middle.

[Royce White]

Explain. Yeah, well, I'm the guy who's pretty. Tries to be the voice of reason and comes from a place of historic historical fact. As pragmatic as I can be. And I don't say pragmatic to mean moderate or lukewarm on the issue. I call the balls and strikes. But. But I try and talk about things as they are, not as I wish they.

[Interviewer]

Were. Can I make a point to say that Trump, as a third term, is not. Well, commonly a reasonable, like, agreed upon. Reasonable.

[Royce White]

Like. No, it's the most reasonable thing. It's in it. And I say that because the.

[Interviewer]

People. Well, I am surprised, I.

[Royce White]

Admit. I. I mean, two things. Two things. One, the first is American politics has become, you know, mostly theater. And so a lot of the people who you would hear, whether they're in the party or they. Or they're political commentators on either side of the aisle, are more invested in the theater of politics than they are the fundamental reality. Our political reality. Our political reality in this country is the future of this nation rests upon the Edge of a blade. And we are in the beginnings of a third world war. And our national moral enemy is the Chinese Communist Party. And, and if we, if we in America see, and the thing about China that I respect and the thing about China that I recognize to be true, it's not, not a matter of preference, but a matter of historical fact. China is a much older civilization than ours and we have to respect our enemies, we have to know our enemies and respect our enemies. Sun Tzu China is a much older civilization than ours. They have gone through a number of civil wars, 5,000 years of civil wars. So they have, they have beaten and broken their own population into what now stands as, you know, a citizenry that has been conditioned to accept tyranny as long as there is a vital or profitable quid pro quo. The people in China, although they may not like tyranny or communism or totalitarianism, they will accept it as long as President Xi can provide a material rise for the average citizen. And he's been able to do that up until now. Now, you know, the question is, to what lengths will President Xi go to? And some of this may be kinetic, some of it may just be old fashioned piracy, some of it may be what you would call neocolonialism. Our liberal friends in the university would call Chinese. China's current expansion all over the world, a second iteration of colonialism. There is a proto China colonialism happening around the world. So the point is he has. In order to maintain power, in order for the CCP to maintain power, they have to provide a material, material high for the Chinese people to avert revolution, revolt. Because China has a revolting history. They've been able to do that so far. My point to America is they understand the agreement in China, the people of China and the leadership of China understand the game and the agreement. We don't have that here in America. We are willing to accept tyranny and corruption here in America, whether it benefits us or not. The American people have yet to really step up to the plate and say, as citizens, we demand a value for our citizenship that requires our elected officials to act on our, on our interest on the world stage. You understand, because in China's the. This is another reason why I.

[Interviewer]

Hear you angling for a foreign Senate.

[Royce White]

Committee. No, no, no, no. This is the whole deal. This is why China is a great example because. Example of what I'm going to tell you. This is why China is a great example of the paradox in Western society, specifically America. There's a paradox here politically, which is why we can't talk about the politics in America singularly. We have to talk about them on the global stage because we're such a global political entity. China's people have been the benefactors of the West's politicians selling them, the Western people's politicians selling Western citizens out. The rise of the CCP and the Chinese Empire is littered with Western receipts, Western money, Western blood, Western treasure, Western intellectual property. So our citizens do not have the same relationship to their political leaders or their, their government as they do in China. China will hold Xi's feet to the fire and say we'll play nice as long as the material wealth, the overall or baseline material wealth wealth of the average Chinese citizen continues to rise. We'll take the, the, the, you know, the, the unlimited surveillance. We'll take the, the censorship. We'll take the, you know, the, the, the life. President for life. We'll take all of that as long as China continues to come out of the third world. It was when Henry Kissinger and Nixon went in in the 70s. America does not have that sense of citizenship nor that sense of say so in our political relationship with our government, our politicians not even close. And in that way, we're losing a war before it even.

[Interviewer]

Starts. I want to highlight. How do I put this? A battle or an argument you've been in recently. There was a town hall I got to see on Facebook where they. It was a Republican forum where they. Shut off your mic. What was that all about? Do you mind? I mean, because. Because I am interested in your voters and the Republican Party here as you're running for the U.S.

[Royce White]

Senate. Yeah, well, they shut off my mic because I went over the time and that's pretty much the gist of it. But you know, there are a lot of people in the room that didn't like what I was saying. Pre tell why the Republican Party is the outer bastion of the New world order. The Republican Party, apropos to what we'll talk about in a moment. When it comes to Israel and Trump and Epstein and Marjorie Taylor Greene, the Republican Party has been the quiet assassin of, of the rise of a nationalist populist movement. Yeah, I mean, imagine you go back to 2012 and in some strange universe, we nominated moderate milquetoast Mitt Romney to run against the most progressive presidential candidate in the history of our nation. Instead of libertarian, what would then have been called the sort of Tea Party, Donald Trump, Ron Paul. That might be the greatest dark mark on the history of the 21st century Republican Party is that we nominated Mitt Romney instead of Ron Paul. And I say that in this situation because even here in Minnesota, the Republican Party, the apparatus, I call them the apparatchiks. Because I do think that the Republican side of the establishment is just as proto communist or socialists as did their Democrat counterparts. We could talk about that as a matter of. We should talk about that. But I do think that the Republican Party, even here in Minnesota, the establishment, the party apparatus, is in firm opposition of the MAGA movement, the rise of populism and the overall prosperity and well being and even freedom of the American.

[Interviewer]

People. Yeah. If I were to recall the, the, the discussion during the Republican forum is despite you getting the nomination, you didn't have the support of, of what you described. Establishment of.

[Royce White]

Republicans. Right. Yes. Which makes it even more significant that I won. Yeah. The fact that I was able to win a statewide primary on a extremist MAGA platform with all of the local mainstream media lined up against me and are four sitting Republican Congress members who refused to endorse me even after I had won the Republican.

[Interviewer]

Nomination. Why is that, you.

[Royce White]

Think? Because they're in on.

[Interviewer]

It. In on.

[Royce White]

What? They're in on the.

[Interviewer]

Scam. Well, I guess. Have you talked to them about. Not.

[Royce White]

Like. I don't need to talk to them. I know who they are. I know who they are and they know who I am. I know who Tom Emmer is. I know where he got his start. I know who Vin Weber is, Council of Foreign Relations Board of Trustees. Vin Weber, who gave Tom and Marissa start. I know who these people are. I know what their, what their play is. I know what their agenda is. I know what their political worldview is. I know how they'll play like they believe in one thing for their own political expediency when really they don't. They'll tell a bold faced lie. They'll lie right in your face about what they believe about their platform, about what they'll do if they're elected again. And even more so, I know their spirit said. Carl Jung used to say, you know, he said you can look at the results and infer the motive. And I'm not a huge fan of Carl Jung because I think he was, shall I say, an atheist. But there are some profound insights from the psychological, you know, juggernauts. Even if they lack faith and a higher power, you can in a lot of, a lot of times look at the results of a thing and infer the motive and, well, look at where this country has gone over the last 30 years. The conservatives have had the House and the Congress just as many times as the Dem, as the, as the liberals, as the Democrats. The Republicans have held the House and the Senate over the last 30 years just as many times as the.

[Interviewer]

Democrats. Various pendulum.

[Royce White]

Swings. Yeah, not by accident. Not by accident. And my point about Emmer and the other four Congress members is what does it say to the rest of the Republican caucus that a young, somewhat apolitical.

[Interviewer]

Me. Okay, sorry, yeah.

[Royce White]

Me. That a young, somewhat apolitical Republican candidate with all the momentum in Minnesota comes from the inner cities, is the first black person to be nominated by either major party to run for U.S. senate. First black person to be endorsed. And up against one of the most radical Democrats in the entire country, Amy Klobuchar, one of the most radical and well funded Democrats in the entire country in our four sitting Republican Congress members, wouldn't endorse me. I mean, is that almost like a silent endorsement of.

[Interviewer]

Her? It does show division, as we.

[Royce White]

Discussed. That's right. They're willing to. And this is, this is true of the Republican establishment in general. And this is, this is exemplified by Mitt Romney. Back to my example. Mitt Romney throwing in with the communists in this nation's darkest hour. Remember I said that. That is a great dark mark on our history. It was a dark mark before he threw in with Kamala Harris. The fact that we put Mitt Romney up over Ron Paul was a dark mark on the Republican Party. Well, before he threw in with Kamala Harris. The fact that he threw in with Kamala Harris in this nation's darkest hour just solidified it as the dark mark on the Republican Party's history. And it's not by accident that a moderate sort of milquetoast guy who has a great smile and a nice strong name with a lot of prestige and elite great head of hair. You know, I'm going bald already because the truth stresses me.

[Interviewer]

Out. You look pretty good.

[Royce White]

Man. Thank you. Thank you. But it's not by accident that a Mitt Romney threw in with Kamala Harris and the communists. And that's exactly what the Republican establishment has been and will continue to try and be through the 2026 midterms and even into 2020 until we crush them the same way we have to crush our.

[Interviewer]

Enemies. I'm glad you brought that up. The midterms. So because of these divisions, let's go back to Israel. Well, let's talk about the midterms though, because you're running for U.S.

[Royce White]

Senate. Yeah. Israel is going to be a Big issue in the.

[Interviewer]

Midterm. It's a big issue now. But, but, but, but. Based on these divisions, many of which you've highlighted, what do you. How do you think the midterms are going to go? Because you have Marjorie Taylor Greene leaving the. Leaving her post. Yeah, you.

[Royce White]

Have. So she.

[Interviewer]

Says. It looks pretty clear. I mean, I don't see. Okay, okay.

[Royce White]

Fair. Fine. We'll.

[Interviewer]

See. I don't know yet, but clearly those are.

[Royce White]

Intentions. Stated intention is to leave. If I had a say in it, if I, If I had a chance to talk to her, maybe I will. She would make a different.

[Interviewer]

Choice and come back to the Trump.

[Royce White]

Fold. I won't say what fold she has to come back to, because no American politician has to be in anybody's fold. I support President Trump 100%, and I continue to pray that he finds the righteous discernment to lead this nation in the best direction. And I think he's done a great job, opposed to many of the other presidents in recent memory. But I'm not in agreement with everything he's done, and we can talk about that at great length if you want. And I don't think that Marjorie Taylor Greene needs to be in agreement with everything that President Trump has done, either. But I do think that her voice in the Congress is important. And I don't agree with everything she's saying either, but she does seem to have a little bit more testicular fortitude than some of her.

[Interviewer]

Colleagues. Sorry. That's a, That's a, That's a powerful way of describing, you know, describing her. That being said, though, these divisions have an impact on the election itself, right? How are Republicans going to do in the midterms given.

[Royce White]

These. We won't talk about the projections of the midterms until we talk about election integrity, until the elections are secure. I don't want to, I don't want to fabricate the, you know, the. I don't even want to lend any credence to the outcomes or the results because it's, It's. It. You know.

[Interviewer]

It. How about. How about.

[Royce White]

This? It pretends that it's all that. That it's all fair and equal or that it's a square game and it's.

[Interviewer]

Not. How about this? How about.

[Royce White]

This? The voter rolls in Minnesota are. The Minnesota Secretary of State wouldn't even give the voter rolls to the Department of Justice. What are you.

[Interviewer]

Hiding? Nevertheless, you are still trying to get votes. Am I.

[Royce White]

Correct?

[Interviewer]

No. You're not trying to get.

[Royce White]

Votes? No. Oh, I'm glad we're talking about this. This is.

[Interviewer]

Important. Then why are you.

[Royce White]

Running? Because the United States Senate is supposed to be the most deliberative body in the world. And the people who represent us in the United States Senate hearken back all the way to the earliest constructions of our government in Westphalian nationhood or nation state culture right there in the Roman Republic, even back to the days of the Greek city states. But the Roman Republic is where we mostly get our formation of government in the Senate. Right, like the Roman.

[Interviewer]

Senate. But why host town halls and.

[Royce White]

Why? The reason why it's important is because any place where we abnegate our responsibility and duty to stand up and speak the truth as a, let's say, candidate for one of these offices, we can no longer condemn the American people for choosing the government that they get and deserving the government they get. If a candidate doesn't step up and say, like President Trump, for example, if President Trump didn't step up in the twilight of his life and say, hey, I could be doing anything else, but there's something that needs to be said and I'm going to say it and I'm going to give the American people that choice, that option. It's hard for any one of us who has any aspirations to lead or help lead this country in a positive direction to hold the American people's feet to the fire because we didn't step up to give them the option. And I would say that for any American citizen sitting at home who thinks that they have a good perspective on politics or they think that they have a good mind sharp for politics or policy, step up and run. Step up and run in your local municipality. Step up and run for school board, mayor, congressional office, state office, state Senate, State House, U.S. senate. Run for president if you think that you can offer something. But if you sit home and you're not willing to put your hat, your name in the, in the, in the hat, then you can't say, oh, well, the American people made the wrong choice. Well, why didn't you run? See, it's easy to criticize every other candidate, but the question is, why didn't you step up if you think you know better? So that's my, that's my goal and that's my mission is I'm going to step up and run. I'm going to run until I, until I die. Because it would be dishonest if I didn't give the American people this message in this option when they go to cast their.

[Interviewer]

Ballot. Interesting. So the, I guess I'm I'm a slower mind, a smoother brain. Here there is a concern for vote. Like election integrity. Yes, but also, you are running to make a.

[Royce White]

Statement. Every politician is.

[Interviewer]

Always. Maybe I need to just come back to the beginning. Why did you decide to run 2024? And why did you decide to.

[Royce White]

Rerun. Yeah, Because American politics.

[Interviewer]

Is. Sorry, could you. As a.

[Royce White]

Sentence. The. The reason why I chose to run in 2024 and. And I'm now going to run again in 2026 is American politics is captured by special interests and lobby money. It's. It's captured by the stat. A status quo of corruption. That's why I.

[Interviewer]

Chose. Not a reason.

[Royce White]

To. Oh, it's the. It's the only.

[Interviewer]

Reason. Wait, I don't understand. Like, are you running to shine a light on it or. I'm confused about.

[Royce White]

That. No, I'm running to represent the truth. So your representatives. Wait a second. Your. Your representatives, your political candidate. If your political candidate's only goal is to win their election, they've already failed you. Your political candidates, from the time that they declare to run for an office should be to.

[Interviewer]

Inform. No, I think that's clear. That you're running should be to.

[Royce White]

Inform the American people of the highest formation of truth about the politics of the.

[Interviewer]

Time. But not, not just informed, though, like, obviously, say you get the.

[Royce White]

Political. No, wait a.

[Interviewer]

Second. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on.

[Royce White]

Back. Every political campaign, it's not just an.

[Interviewer]

Educational. Just inform. You.

[Royce White]

Have. No, it.

[Interviewer]

Is. No, you have votes in the Senate. You have votes in.

[Royce White]

Congress. Now, wait a.

[Interviewer]

Second. To, like, make change and write.

[Royce White]

Bills well before you're ever elected. Every political camp, first of all.

[Interviewer]

Like, there's more responsibilities than just inform. I'm just.

[Royce White]

Saying. No, no, no, wait a second. Like, it's sequential. It's sequential. Every American political candidate, before they ever get elected to office, runs a political campaign that should be educational for their constituents. And if you're in a nationwide race, the entire country. Yeah, but they're not, though. You could say you don't disagree, but how many political campaigns have you really learned something.

[Interviewer]

From? Oh, how are we doing? Oops.

[Royce White]

Sorry. How many political campaigns have you actually learned something.

[Interviewer]

From? I mean, I feel like I.

[Royce White]

I think they're all just a bunch of cookie cutter bullshit meant to pander to the constituency they plan to extract votes from. I don't even talk about issues in terms of, you know, what, what sample size or what focus group thinks these issues are more important or more electable than others. I Think that entire thing is a part of the.

[Interviewer]

Theater. I hear.

[Royce White]

You. That's what's happened to this country. Okay? They're going to control focus group a set of questions of what's most important to Minnesotans. I don't give a I min. There's a.

[Interviewer]

You.

[Royce White]

You. If you're an American citizen and you've been conditioned to want to hear what you want to hear versus what you need to hear, you have failed this country as a citizen. It's not the politician who can't construct a, A, you know, a pitch to satisfy your need for, you know, political propaganda. If you would much rather hear what you want to hear versus what you need to hear, you have failed as a citizen. And if the collective of citizens are conditioned to that standard, that expectation of political candidates, then that's why the country is the way it is. And we don't need to talk about Israel. As a citizen, you don't demand the highest standard of, of, of ethics and morals and honesty from your own.

[Interviewer]

Candidates. Look, at the end of the day, as a citizen, I put a vote in. That's what I can.

[Royce White]

Do. That's how simple they want it to.

[Interviewer]

Seem. But I can't put a vote in. That's. That's where my power can.

[Royce White]

Play. And I want to play. That should. And you should. Okay, the question is, what is the standard you demand from your politicians? Everybody gets to cast a vote. That's your God given, inalienable right. The question is, what framework or standard do you hold your political candidates to? What, what even informational background or framework are you working from as a.

[Interviewer]

Citizen? I have a different, a little more emotional question.

[Royce White]

Here.

[Interviewer]

Okay. This year has been tough when it comes to political violence. Yes, it's been an issue. How have the events of, like the Minnesota state reps and Charlie.

[Royce White]

Kirk.

[Interviewer]

Terrible. How have these events affected your thinking in the lead up to your.

[Royce White]

Campaign? Yeah, I mean, people who make freedom of speech, you know, illegal, people who thwart a genuine authentic political process are the true insiders of what we would call political violence, in my opinion. And. The volatility of the political culture in this country is not by accident. It's not a coincidence. It's intentional. The bastardization, the decadence of our intellectual currency, our philosophical currency, our civic duty in this country is not by accident, it's intentional. The fact that your average American citizen, 50% of American citizens, read at an 8th and 7th grade level, another 50% read below a 7th grade level is not by accident. That's called government Policy. And so my thought about the political violence is that it is a manifestation of the decay of our culture. And it's tragic. It's terrible. Charlie Kirk's assassination was. I mean, how do you even describe. Will free some people in fear and in time for a generation or so. Same way John Kennedy's froze the boomer generation. Boomer generation in time and fear.

[Interviewer]

For a long time, especially in this state. What was it like when John Hoffman and Melissa Hartman were attacked? How did that go for you as someone who's.

[Royce White]

Running? I completely disavow political violence and that type of cowardice in any form or fashion. I think it's a projection of people's own insanity and their own unwillingness to manifest the type of civic engagement and political activism that they could if they had some sacred honor and faith. So nobody's going to be able to tell me that shooting a UnitedHealthcare CEO in Midtown Manhattan is how you get things done in this country. You just can't. You could make the argument, if we even started from the baseline, that we demand our elections be secure. If you can't, if you won't demand that your elections are secure and follow through with the political activism that, you know, stands on, that you don't have a right to pick up a gun and go shoot an oligarch because they're.

[Interviewer]

Corrupt. I had heard a rumor that you'd known, actually Charlie.

[Royce White]

Kirk. Is that. Yeah, I know Charlie. I know.

[Interviewer]

Charlie. I imagine that.

[Royce White]

Was. We were. We were. Hold on one second.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Is there a way to try. Tape that.

[Royce White]

Down. I knew Charlie Kirk well. Not. Not great. We weren't great friends by any means. I certainly didn't know him as much as Candace Owens or Jack Posobic or some of those people. But I was on Charlie's show a number of times. I was introduced to Charlie in a group chat about the election. And I had a number of conversations with Charlie about American politics. And obviously I watched Charlie because he and I both have a show on Real America's Voice. And Charlie was, you know, was an incredible young man. He very sharp, very articulate, very process oriented, very hardworking. A real political activist, you know what I mean? Like sort of in the streets, as much of a in the streets activists as you'll find in the Republican Party on the conservative side. So I had a lot of respect for him, didn't agree with him on everything. I thought he found a real set of balls towards the end of his life and started talking about some issues. People didn't want him to talk about the way he did. And I don't know if that caused him some problems. Obviously it caused him some problems financially that that's now come to light. But I don't know if those problems had to do with this assassination or not. But a sad and tragic day for this country to see a young man with that bright of a future killed in that horrific.

[Interviewer]

Way. Have you reached out to the Kirk family at.

[Royce White]

All? Yeah, I gave my condolences. You know, it's, I mean, the whole world, you know, there's an entire world of people who were fans of Charlie Kirk that felt more or less the same way. This is.

[Interviewer]

Horrific. Did you reach out to Corbin and Hoffman's.

[Royce White]

Families? No, I gave my condolences to them too, publicly. I made a public statement reaching out to their families. I wouldn't even know where to begin to get a hold of somebody's family. I don't even know if that would be appropriate, you know, to me anyway. I mean, I just, I don't consider myself that important of a person to where, you know, like, if I was the President of the United States, I might have done something like that, you know, or if I was US Senator from Minnesota, might have done something like that as a gesture. But, you know, people lost their loved ones, they lost their mother or their wife or their, you know, in Charlie's case, a husband or a father. You know, there's, there's really nothing superficial, you could say, that changes that. You know, death is unnatural in that way, especially when people are murdered or assassinated. So I don't really do with the, you know, with the superficial when it comes to death and murder and stuff like.

[Interviewer]

That. Minnesota has recently been headlines due to Trump's remarks about the Somali population. What did you think of those remarks when they were made about the smaller community in Twin.

[Royce White]

Cities? I think the answer to Somalia is in Somalia. It's not Minneapolis. I think the answer to Somalia is in Somalia. It's not in.

[Interviewer]

Minneapolis. Okay, but. But there is a pretty large percentage of.

[Royce White]

Somali. Yes. The question is why?

[Interviewer]

How? I guess. What did you think of Trump's remarks.

[Royce White]

As? That was my thoughts about his.

[Interviewer]

Remarks. I don't.

[Royce White]

Understand. I'm running for United States Senate. I don't, I don't hear Trump's remarks and then form some type of, you know, knee jerk opinion about him. Like, well, I think Trump's remarks are right or wrong or whatever else. I think about the implications of the thing that he's talking about. So when I think about the Somalian community, the Somali community in Minneapolis or in the United States. I think back to Black Hawk down and, and the war that we waged in Somalia and whether or not we should have been there in the first place. And what good did it do for Somalia? What good did it do for the region? What good did it do for the American people? What good did it do for the contentious nature of the topic today? I guess the answer to Somalia is not in Minneapolis, it's in.

[Interviewer]

Somalia. I guess. Let me be a little more focused on. Did you agree with Trump's remarks about the Somali.

[Royce White]

Community? Well, I think. I think President Trump made a lot of remarks and has made a lot of remarks about Somalia. I think some of them were taken out of context, as they so often.

[Interviewer]

Are. Yeah, explain. What do you.

[Royce White]

Mean? Well, I don't think that President Trump was saying that all Somalians are garbage. I know a lot of people try to fence it that way. I certainly listened to the comments, and I didn't take that from what he said. What I took from what he said was that Ilhan Omar is garbage. And she is. And that the other Somalian immigrants who were involved in one of the largest scale frauds in Minnesota history were garbage. And they.

[Interviewer]

Are.

[Royce White]

So. But anybody who would say that all Somalis are garbage, they must. They must have misspoke or they're not speaking from a place of humanity or Christianity. But I didn't think that he said that.

[Interviewer]

Actually. But.

[Royce White]

Many. But there are some people who do say stuff like.

[Interviewer]

That. Well, I was gonna say many Somali people do read him saying. I mean, it's not just.

[Royce White]

Like. No, they.

[Interviewer]

Don'T. Well, the quote itself is the Somali community, Minnesota is.

[Royce White]

Garbage. Well, so. Well, here I'll say, well, how deep do you want to go in? I'm not talking.

[Interviewer]

About. Yeah. I'm simply saying that, like, there's a lot of. There's a lot of Somali people who are quite offended by those remarks. That's all I'm.

[Royce White]

Saying. Listen, here's what I'll say, okay? There's no easy way to clean up a big mess. Okay? And our foreign. Back to our foreign policy, because I'm running for United States Senate. Back to our foreign policy. Our foreign policy has created a huge mess all around the world, some in other places, some for us right here in America, some for us right here in Minnesota. The Somali immigration to this state, to our city, and the way that immigration has been carried out by government policy, specifically as it pertains to fraud that has now been uncovered is a huge mess, and there's no easy way to discuss it, and there's no easy way to clean it up. And what I think people need to admit is. The people who you. The people who you choose to represent you do represent you as a whole in some sense. The same way. When President Trump says something embarrassing by mainstream media standards, what did they say? They said, this is embarrassing for the. For America. Right. Do you agree? When President Trump says something that. Okay, when President Trump says something that the mainstream media regard as disgusting, repugnant, unpresidential, or whatever the case may be, they make the claim that it's embarrassing for America, for. To the rest of the world. Right.

[Interviewer]

Which. Which.

[Royce White]

Outlets? All of them. Most of.

[Interviewer]

Them.

[Royce White]

Okay. All right. There are a ton of. There are a ton of mainstream media outlets that have made the claim. Some of President Trump's actions and comments are embarrassing for us as a nation, meaning that an elected official who was elected to represent a certain people, a population of people, a demographic people, can represent the entire group with his actions and his words, and people can form opinions based on what somebody who represents you says. So my point is that it doesn't just stop with the President of the United States or how he can represent this country. It also is how an Ilhan Omar represents the Somali community or how a Barack Obama, or more accurately, Jasmine Crockett, represents the black community. I guess you represent the. When you're, when you're elected to represent people, you represent them and the Somali community. And I told this to a Somali, a Somali gentleman at a town hall recently. I said, we all have to take responsibility for the people who we choose to represent us in some respects. And so when. When a Barack Obama stands up and lies before the nation as a black man, he's representing.

[Interviewer]

Me. Lying about.

[Royce White]

What? Sorry? Well, we'll get to that. But when that happens, he's representing me. When an Ilhan Omar stands up before the. The American people or the world and tells lies or pushes a policy or a political platform, that's not honest. She's representing her Somalian community the same way she says she's representing them in her success. If you represent a group of people in your success, you also represent them in your.

[Interviewer]

Failures. Speaking of.

[Royce White]

Which. So to my point about his comments, if you take the net, if you take the aggregate of the Somalian community at current, the most. The most. The most public thing that we see is one of the biggest frauds, One of the biggest fraud, you know, one of the biggest scams in the history of our state of Minnesota, and it was predominantly perpetuated by Somalian immigrants. So for President Trump to say the Somalian community in Minnesota is trash, you are a net result of the way that you're represented and the way that the people in your community represent you. It's the same thing I think, about the black community, honestly. And it's the same thing I think about white Western society. So is that white Western society has been. Is a bunch of neo conservative, neoliberal globalist cucks. And I can say that about white society with complete confidence. I can say that the black community in America is a result of a decadent culture, an intentional decadent culture. And I can say that the Somali community right now is a representation of one of the greatest fraudulent scams in the history of our state. Now, I don't know how President Trump would explain it in nuance or detail. I can't speak for him, but that's what I would.

[Interviewer]

Say. I think he was very clear about how he thought about the Somali community in Minnesota. Yeah, well, I think clear about.

[Royce White]

That. I think his entire day. And the things that he says to the media and the, you know, the sound bites and quotes that come out of his, you know, come out of his meticulously scheduled, you know, life are, you know, I mean, they have to be taken with a grain of salt. Anyway. When I'm president, it won't be like that. When I'm president. When I'm president, it won't be like.

[Interviewer]

That. You're running for president.

[Royce White]

Now. What I'm saying is, when I'm president, it won't be like that. When I'm president, I'll sit on the South Lawn. Well, maybe we won't do the South Lawn because it'd probably be too clear of a shot for would be assassin. But we'll be right there in the press. There'll be entire days where I sit in the press room at the White House and explain in full detail and nuance the reason why I say the things I say, the historical references or context for what I'm saying, and the choices that we're making in policy. Right now, President Trump is in a position where saving this country from the damage that has been done doesn't allow him to do that. And if he can succeed in his agenda and bring this country back to a more reasonable place, hopefully a future presidential candidate will have more leeway with explaining things to the American people in greater.

[Interviewer]

Detail. I have so many questions about the president part. It's also that I. I am not. I will not be. I will be shocked but not surprised if we get there. And I hope you'll grant me an interview if that ever happens.

[Royce White]

Again. Okay. Of.

[Interviewer]

Course. Okay. So. But coming back to the nuance of the Somali community, as you noted on the War Room with Steve.

[Royce White]

Bannon.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. With regard to the question that Bannon put to.

[Royce White]

You.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Mass deportation, your response was at the thousand percent, no.

[Royce White]

Equivocations. Thousand percent, no.

[Interviewer]

Equivocations.

[Royce White]

Correct.

[Interviewer]

Right. So the town hall that you had mentioned with regard to the Somali community.

[Royce White]

Then.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Seemed like, took issue with that.

[Royce White]

Comment, but they thought they did until we talked about.

[Interviewer]

It. Well.

[Royce White]

Let'S. Let's talk about.

[Interviewer]

It. So, like, there's a lot of passionate.

[Royce White]

Conversation. That was great. That was a great town.

[Interviewer]

Hall. Explain. Tell me.

[Royce White]

More. I saw a little bit. We got to the bottom of some there. What we got to the bottom of is, as a black man and as Somali immigrants, we share a cultural narrative in some respects is that our identity is used in this tug of war of race and identity in American political culture, in the American political dialogue. And the olive branch that I extended to the gentleman who I've, like, he said, I know I've met before, taken pictures with, he supported me. He supported President Trump. The olive branch that I extended is to tell him, as a black man whose people have been in this country far longer than the Somalis, the Somalis, I can say with a lot of confidence that I have been misrepresented and that I have to accept responsibility for people who represent me and misrepresent me. And that is probably best seen in the black community of any other group in this country, because the black community has been misrepresented politically, culturally, Spiritually. The black community has been misrepresented, misled, manipulated, exploited, misrepresented. But. But just because that's true doesn't mean that I don't have to take accountability for it as a black man. And so what I was telling him is, you know, the answer to Somalia is in Somalia. It's not in America. It's not in America. It's not in Minneapolis. The problem with Somalia and the problem with the conversation, even for Republicans, is that it doesn't acknowledge the fundamental facts, the truth about how Somalians got here in the first place, how the Somalis ended up here in the first place. And this is the whole deal. This isn't a. This isn't, you know, a small piece of the story. This is the whole story. This is what you call the meat and potatoes of the story. Our military industrial complex had no business in Somalia in the first place. We were there under false pretenses. We were there under false auspices for a false mission that we didn't achieve. Because Somalia is not a bastion of freedom and democracy. They are not self determining as the democrat liberal order professes to. To. To. To do all around the world. Right? That was the, that was the moniker or the, you know, the professed mission of the Post World War II Democrat liberal order after World War II. That was the mission of the post World War II Democrat liberal order. We're going to take freedom and democracy around the world by peace, through strength and make every nation self determining. It didn't work. It didn't work in Somalia. Somalia is a failed state. Somalia is a failed state sitting on about $5 trillion of oil reserves. Just the oil, not to mention the gold and the other rare earth minerals and the great fishing oceans that they have off of the beautiful coastline there in Somalia. Somalia is a resource rich nation. But Americans, Western and American political elites made a fortune off of exploiting nations all around the world under the auspices of American freedom. And, and that has intentionally kept Somalia poor and has intentionally kept Somalia corrupt. But the Somali people have to take some responsibility too. Because the Somalians had the opportunity to tell the Westerners no. And they couldn't do it. They took the money. They took the money or they took the fear. Whether it's a warlord or despot or tyrant or, or religious leader or whoever it was that rose to power in Somalia and did the deals with Western society to keep the nation poor instead of rich and self determining. That falls on the Somali people the same way it falls on the American people. When we let our political elites do it to us here. And there's a corollary there. And there's a corollary for the black community. The reason why the black community has more millionaires, more black millionaires than anywhere else in the world or any other time in American history. But yet still we put up icons like NBA YoungBoy who promote us, shooting each other senselessly in the street over trivial things is something we have to own. And our lack of progression as a community is just as much on us as anybody else. We could blame, not to say there's not blame to go around and we should talk about who is, who is rightfully responsible. But we can't pass the buck on our own accountability in that. So to my point about the Somalians, about Somalia, the answer to Somalia is not in Minneapolis. It's in Somalia. Somalia could be a thriving nation if they did what Burkina Faso has.

[Interviewer]

Done. Let me focus a little bit on the Somali population here, just for a minute. To the extent that, what do you say to the Somali Americans who are citizens, who not only took the issue with Trump's marks, but are concerned and felt offended.

[Royce White]

By. They should.

[Interviewer]

Be. The growing issue.

[Royce White]

Around Somalia should be concerned. We all should be.

[Interviewer]

Concerned.

[Royce White]

Explain. There's no easy way to clean up a huge mess. And when an administration or a government like the Biden administration lets in 15 million illegal immigrants in four years, there's no easy way to deal with that. There's no way to go about cleaning that up. That doesn't run the risk of getting it wrong. Sometimes mistaken identity, misidentifying somebody as being illegal when really they're legal, that's different difficult thing to do. And I'm not saying it makes it any, any less wrong. And if we do get it wrong, if ICE gets it wrong and they grab somebody who is, who is here legally, then they should apologize and there should be.

[Interviewer]

Restitution. Do you mind me just going back to the town hall for a.

[Royce White]

Second? That is, which, which is why we can't spend another $5 billion in Ukraine, because we're going to need every dollar we can to get illegal immigrants that came here under the Biden administration out. And when we make mistakes, we're going to have to pay in full restitution to people who are citizens. And if we don't, then we've undermined citizenship itself and the value of.

[Interviewer]

Citizenship. Why were people upset at the town.

[Royce White]

Hall? Because people are passionate and emotional and they react without. Without thinking. And that's the way American political culture has conditioned people to be. On purpose. Yeah. Political. Political culture and conversation is intended to be hot, contentious, but never really gets to the root of.

[Interviewer]

Things. So you're saying that the, The Somali Americans are un. They're being upset is unfounded or.

[Royce White]

Confused in large part, yeah. For sure. Which, which is what we came to at the. If you, if you go back and you look at the footage at the end of that town hall and he was there, were the Somali gentlemen that were there shaking my hand and hugging me. In fact, I was going to go to dinner with two of them afterward. I did see that. Yeah. Right. So they weren't. After I explained it, they agreed because they know. But that's what real political leadership should be. Now, should I have to go back and explain a comment or add nuance of detail for the President of the United States? Well, sure, because I'm running for U.S. senate here in Minnesota and these are my constituents and the Somali community is a huge part of this, of this state, but I was able to do it. That won't make the headlines, though. You think the Star Tribune will report that after a hot and contentious conversation about the comments on Somalia, that I was able to come to an understanding and some common ground with the Somali gentlemen in the, in the audience, I guess. Do you? No, it won't, it won't make the.

[Interviewer]

Headlines. Yeah, well, I'm not the sergeant.

[Royce White]

Beat. I know, but it's the same.

[Interviewer]

Thing. Yeah, I guess it's the same.

[Royce White]

Thing. Whether it's New York Times, Star Tribune, Associated Press, pbs, it's all the.

[Interviewer]

Same. But also, I mean, I contacted pbs. I'm a free.

[Royce White]

Agent. Right. But I'm, but I'm just saying, okay, even if you went back to PBS right now and you said, hey, there's this incredible story brewing in Minnesota where President Trump made these crazy comments about the Somali community there and some protesters who were Somali Republicans showed up to confront Royce at his town hall and by the end of it, they're shaking hands and hugging. Maybe this guy Royce White has some real insightful ideas about politics that aren't getting the credit they deserve. Maybe he's actually saying something that has the ability to transcend the polarization of American political culture. But, you know, you try that and you tell me how it goes. I'm sure the brass at PBS wouldn't want to, the young 35 year old conspiracy theorists in Minnesota to be painted in that.

[Interviewer]

Light. Do you feel like by the end of the town hall you think you can convince more Somali Americans to vote for.

[Royce White]

You? You get the government you deserve and by God, we all will. I don't know what I can convince people of. I can tell them the truth and people have to make their choice and live with their decision. That's my honest, that's my honest approach to politics in general. I'm not here to tell people what they want to hear. I'm here to tell them what they need to hear and they get to make the choice. People can choose to live in the truth or they can choose to live in and you know, in a lie. And there are consequences that come with both. Sometimes there's good that comes with living in a.

[Interviewer]

Lie. Speaking of leadership and just coming back to a point you made, I mean, do you find that you're the appropriate representation for the black community.

[Royce White]

Then. Oh, for.

[Interviewer]

Sure. How.

[Royce White]

So? Yeah, I mean, I'm tip of the spear. I'm as honest as they come in the black community. No doubt about that. And if there's a black bourgeoisie academic elite out there that wants to challenge it, please set up the debate. Anytime, any place. Mark Lamont Hill and I talked about Israel. We should still talk about Israel, because I don't want to get away from that. Mark Lamont Hill and I talked about Israel. I used to talk with Jason Whitlock all the time. And, you know, I'll talk to anybody and debate anybody, because the truth is, is. Is.

[Interviewer]

Unscripted. I'm talking about leadership, though. You're.

[Royce White]

Leading. Much of leadership starts.

[Interviewer]

With. It starts there with these debates.

[Royce White]

Yes. Starts with the ideas. Starts with the willingness to speak the.

[Interviewer]

Truth. Yeah. In terms of representation. In terms of you purporting in this Senate race to be the representation for the black community here in.

[Royce White]

Minnesota. Yeah. Well, I'm black. I'm. I'm from the Twin Cities through and through. I'm a real son of the Twin Cities in a way that is hard to even describe. You know, I grew up all across the Twin Cities, really. You know, I had, I.

[Interviewer]

Had. I remember the anecdotes about St. Paul, too, the museum and everything.

[Royce White]

Yeah. I had familial ties all across the. The greater metropolitan area, especially in the black communities, both north, South, Minneapolis, Rondo, or what they call selby side of St. Paul. Selby, Rondo, Frogtown and St. Paul. And the west side, the east side. I went to junior high on the east side. So, you know, I have, I have deep, deep roots here in the Twin Cities, in the black community.

[Interviewer]

Specifically. I want to. I do want to ask a question.

[Royce White]

Actually.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Can we talk about you hiring a crew to film this interview? Actually, 1. Why are you filming the interview for yourself.

[Royce White]

And.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. How does that play a role in your campaign? But in.

[Royce White]

General? Well, I do regard PBS as a media outlet that is important in the future of this nation. They played an important role in the history of this nation. I still remember the great PBS Firing Line programming with William Buckley and some of the great interviews he did that were contentious, very high level, intellectually and controversial. You know, we've lost that. And I think that what fiery lying has become, I think what the National Review has become is a disgrace to William Buckley's legacy, to be honest. But I do think that there is a role for the institutions and the legacy institutions in the future. And I continue to try as best I can be an advocate and encourage or help with, like in this situation, help with, you know, being an honest representation of what this country needs. And that's full unscripted interviews, full from start to finish, that are put out there to the American people and let the American people see who the people are that want to represent them. I don't know why PBS is uninterested in doing a real Frontline, one on one sit down interview with a candidate that the country regards as so controversial. My guess is that people would come away from it thinking much differently about me than they do already, given the, the headlines and yellow journalism, which I'm sure this interview will help with. And that's why we decided to film.

[Interviewer]

It. I mean, let me be clear. The reason why we're filming with you is because I've been following you since 2020, right? You're part of this wider fabric and.

[Royce White]

Tapestry. No, no, no, it's not a knock on you.

[Interviewer]

Okay? I was just like, yeah, no.

[Royce White]

No, it's not a knock on the American Voices program or the project, but it is chopped down into sound bites and clips that. I mean, these issues that we're talking about, they deserve the detail and nuance. They need it. It's essential. You know, we can paint beautiful tapestries and symbolic, sort of artistic, you know, programs and shows and whatnot, movies and whatever else, that's all great. But when our founding fathers showed up in Washington D.C. to build this country, they were there for three months straight, just iron. Three months straight with no break, just iron out the details of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and these things. And people died. I mean, there were fist fights and duels and shit went down because it's that serious. And so I think part of the crisis in American culture is that we have passionate opinions about these things, but we don't have the rigorous intellectual engagement that we need. And so, you know, I, all I can do is provide that. All I can do is do my part in that and say, hey, I'll sit down and talk in as much detail and nuances as people will listen. But if people only want Instagram Reels or TikTok Reels in 15, 30 seconds, then you get the government you deserve. And by God, we all will. The tick tock government. Tick tock government. All right, there you.

[Interviewer]

Go. You filmed the last interview you did with our team.

[Royce White]

Israel. He was holding it back to Israel. No, hold.

[Interviewer]

On. But you, but I, I find.

[Royce White]

This actually elephant in the room is Israel. The Elephant in the country is.

[Interviewer]

Israel. I think literally the elephant in the room is the cameras right here. Like, they're.

[Royce White]

More.

[Interviewer]

Can't. There's another crew here. Basically, the last time you, you filmed with us, you actually put the interview online. How did that. Like, tell me, tell me about.

[Royce White]

The. Well, what was the response? It was.

[Interviewer]

Great. Tell me about the thought process of putting these interviews out. Because you said, like, the unscripted transcript, like, unpack this for me a little.

[Royce White]

Bit. Well, I put the full interview out and it was great. People loved it. People were. They loved the conversation. They thought that it was. It was deeper and more detailed than you would normally get from a political candidate, which means probably it was more authentic and real, more honest than some of the scripted campaigns you see in American politics. And there were a few sound bites or clips from it. I think one was probably about six, seven minutes. That must have been, I don't know, close to a, you know, 750,000, 800,000 views on X right there in the heart of the campaign season. And, you know, people had had great feedback about it. So, yeah, I thought of that. That went.

[Interviewer]

Well. Begs the question, what do you plan to do with this.

[Royce White]

Footage? Full. Put it on full. I would hope that PBS would be in support of that and, and maybe even, you know, partner it or put it up on. On their.

[Interviewer]

Platform. I'll have to ask him about.

[Royce White]

That. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Please. But, but to be clear, just, just for my explanation, I mean, we have been filming with youth through this specifically American Voices program. So that's partly the reason why I've been. I've enjoyed following your journey through this time, which I've been very grateful.

[Royce White]

For. Thank you, man. No, I appreciate you following it. You do good work. And the American Voices series is, Is. Is really cool. It's just that the things I'm talking about are, you know, I mean, when we talk about Mackinder's Land theory, you gotta go talk. You gotta go talk to your Bill Crystals in order to. And it was.

[Interviewer]

Funny. I'll have to do my.

[Royce White]

Research. Apropos to this point, remember earlier I said that the Republican Party is proto communist, has a proto communist.

[Interviewer]

Wing. Yes, you.

[Royce White]

Do. You know, Bill Kristol's father, William Kristol, was a publicly admitted Trotskyite. Now, Bill Kristol has been a very prominent person in the neoconservative movement for a long time, and his father was considered one of the intellectual thought leaders of the neoconservative movement. But he did come from a Trotskyite academic background, a Trotskyite political activism. So it's not by accident that the neoconservative movement, when push comes to shove, aligns with the neoliberal movement, or what we would call the American political establishment, like Bill Crystal did most recently when he threw in with mom Donnie in New York.

[Interviewer]

City. Can I ask about.

[Royce White]

Like, he's a communist, is my point. There are a lot of con. There are a lot of secret communists in the Republican Party. Trotskyites. So you know the history of Trotsky in Lenin.

[Interviewer]

Right? Yes, but I don't want. I don't think that when.

[Royce White]

Stalin. Just as a.

[Interviewer]

Brief. I don't. I don't feel like going there as a.

[Royce White]

Brief. When. When. When Lenin. When Lenin. When Lenin gave power to Stalin. Stalin rose to power. Trotskyite was his. Was his under. Under guy. You know, he was the second in command of the communist movement there in Russia. But when Stalin came to power, he turned on Trotskyite, on Trotsky, and the Trotskyites moved to Mexico. When the Trotskyites moved to Mexico, they ended up very influential or involved in the earliest days of. Of the neoconservative faction of the Republican Party. So that's how the global becomes the local. You would never think that the Russia, who we say is our arch enemy today, has a lot of foundations right there in the Republican.

[Interviewer]

Party. When I see you putting full interviews up. Full transcript, Full interviews. You're on Steve Bannon show at the War Room. You have your own.

[Royce White]

Podcast.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. That's been going strong for some time. For how.

[Royce White]

Long? Actually, two.

[Interviewer]

Years. Two years?

[Royce White]

Yeah. Two.

[Interviewer]

Years. I am curious about the wider Internet strategy you've taken not only for your camping, but just for yourself. I mean, I find it fascinating in terms of how you can be described as new media versus a legacy media, for example. So let's. I want to open that up a little bit. Can you explain sort of this wider Internet strategy? Because I think it's. Yeah, I do think there's a pattern with the work that you've been doing. Yeah. Including putting.

[Royce White]

Up. Yeah, no, I'm just getting on the record as much as I can, and I'm creating that record if I can, because I don't trust the people who have kept the records to keep the records, honestly. And I think. I think we've done a great job. Unless the. The big social media and content platforms decide to deplatform me all together and get rid of my content, which we do have it backed up in some places so we will be able to get it up somewhere. But so far as the record stands now, I've done a pretty good job of correcting the record on who I am and what I think about the most important issues of the day. When we live, you know, we. We live in an era where oftentimes those things are misrepresented about individuals. You know, the first thing people do is go to Wikipedia as if that's an authoritative source. I know they say they use authoritative sources, but when your authoritative sources are compromised, like the New York Times, I mean, how authoritative are they really? So I've created a record. I've gone on the record now for two straight years. I challenge anybody to go through two years of hour and a half, two hour long podcast and find something that deserves scrutiny, that I couldn't answer for. Some things I say that are controversial and I say them intentionally and I love to debate them, but nobody really ever, you know, picks up the phone and, you know, issues that.

[Interviewer]

Challenge. Have you, I was going to ask, have you tried to reach out to people on the other side, across the aisle, Democrats, liberals, to have that kind of.

[Royce White]

Conversation? They don't want to debate me. They know I.

[Interviewer]

Know. Who have you. Who have you requested.

[Royce White]

Interviews? Oh, we've requested interviews from every requested interviews with Klobuchar and Tina.

[Interviewer]

Smith. And I believe you spoke on a radio show with Klobuchar.

[Royce White]

Correct? Yeah. Yeah. You saw how that went. That was a bloodbath. Election integrity. Why were you in 2018 on a documentary that said that the election machines can be hacked, and now all of a sudden it's conspiracy theory? She didn't have an answer for that question. She almost, it looked like she visibly wanted to disappear. She was fidgeting so bad in her seat. She was so uncomfortable with the, with the line of questioning or the conversation. That was a pretty good clip, too, when probably did about 3,4 million views across the Internet. Not enough to change the election if the elections were.

[Interviewer]

Secure. Anyway, I'm curious. Which media sources do you trust and.

[Royce White]

Why? Well, I definitely trust Steve. Definitely trust Steve Bannon in the war room. I think Steve is probably one of the brightest political minds in American history, certainly in America today. Okay. And part of, part of the, part of the reason why is because he just for the most part says it like it is. And he, he's not pandering to the Republican Party. He's not, you know, pandering to Conservative Inc. He's not pandering to Some Democrat vote or even some populist vote for that matter. Although he is a, you know, a self admitted populist nationalist, you know, Christo, nationalist, MAGA patriot. He's not pandering on any of the issues. He just says it like he really thinks it is. And I think that's one of the most, you know, one of the most. One of the biggest things lacking in our culture in America, especially from the commentators and from media. It's people who just say it like it is, who aren't trying to pay bills or pander to the people who pay bills. They're just saying like, this is what it is. They used to do that on Firing Line pbs. Like I go back and I have disagreements with William Buckley on some things and I think there was a great interview that everybody should go and watch. A Firing Line between William Buckley and Phyllis Shafley. Phyllis Shafley is probably regarded as the, the godmother of maga. She was the sort of firebrand, nationalist, populist woman back in that day. And they were having an argument about the Panama Canal and who, who rightfully has or should have control over the Panama Canal and what, you know, what action should be taken, if any, to, to maintain that control. And it's just a great representation of conservative ink. William Buckley, who is a brilliant man by the way, as intellectual as they get and a sort of tough nose MAGA patriot woman who won't take no for an answer, but also understands the, the issues. Phyllis Shafley. Oh, it's an incredible discussion between William Buckley and her. And she didn't back off an inch. I mean, she is as tough as they get. And that was a great sort of representation of what the modern day MAGA movement is really all about is like, what is America's role in the world and what is American politicians or government's duty to her people and her.

[Interviewer]

Citizens? I have to look that up. I have not seen that interview.

[Royce White]

Actually. William Buckley and Phyllis.

[Interviewer]

Shafley. Your, your podcast, tell me you.

[Royce White]

Said. I only. I only said that because again, I think that there was a conversation at a time in this country's history where, you know, shit was actually getting talked about. And I mean, the real meat and potatoes. And then we kind of went away from it and politics became more pop culture than it was about political philosophy. And it kind of took on the same sort of fast food, you know, motif as reality tv. You know, in many ways the crisis of our culture is that politics has become reality tv and that's just Disgusting. It's unsustainable, you know.

[Interviewer]

Culturally. But what you're doing is different with. Please call me.

[Royce White]

Crazy. Yeah. No, but you know, what Steve is doing is.

[Interviewer]

Different.

[Royce White]

Okay? What Bannon is doing is different. I think he's the tip of that spear of just saying, hey, this is what the issues really are. Let's talk about them for, like, Israel. We still haven't gotten to Israel. We got to get.

[Interviewer]

There. But what about that? What about your show? So tell me, could you break it open for me? You said you've been working on it for the past few years. How often do you put out a.

[Royce White]

Show? Tell me a little bit more about this sometimes. Most of the time I try. I was doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday for a long time. Then I started doing the Saturday morning show live on Real America's Voice. And I still do that every Saturday morning Live. And more recently, I've tried to go to a daily show. Proven to be a little more difficult than I intended because of the campaign schedule, other things going on as well, other obligations. But I plan to do a daily show and I even plan to have a Sunday call in show. Me and Ryan have been working on getting all the technology set up for a Sunday call in show. I'm sure that's going to be fun and entertaining as.

[Interviewer]

Well. I'm have to call.

[Royce White]

In? Yes.

[Interviewer]

Please. Oh, how has building that show and expanding it as you've been been? How does that serve your mission? What is your mission when it comes to building this.

[Royce White]

Show? You know, for me, it's really about getting on the record because I've spent, you know, in my young, alone, young adult life. I'm 35 years old now, but since I was 21 years old, I've gone through being misrepresented by the media. First it was with the NBA, and everybody's saying, oh, Royce is crazy, or Royce is just afraid to fly. When the historical record, in this case the actual historical record, reflects that. The NBA didn't have a mental health policy when I was drafted, and I helped them draft a mental health policy they would later put in place and not give me any credit for my role in. So I guess that was kind of my first political victory as a young adult. And it was significant. I mean, the NBA is one of the most influential institutions in the world culturally, because basketball is such a great game and the skill level has evolved so much. I just marvel at what the NBA players have become today. But that was a real political victory for me to be able to stand up for the mental health conversation and eventually get the NBA to change their entire collective bargaining agreement and policy on, on the issue of mental health. But yet when you go look at the mainstream media and how they talk about me and that entire situation, it's shorthanded to. Royce White was afraid to fly and that's why his career was derailed. No, I sacrificed my career on the front end to pause the entire global corporate community and say the human condition is important and it has to be important. And if it's not important, then we should just say that and move on. But let's not.

[Interviewer]

Pretend. Do you interpret. When you say mainstream media and the media that you're providing people, do you interpret that or at least draw that distinction for us a little bit.

[Royce White]

Better? Mainstream.

[Interviewer]

Media? Well, mainstream versus the new media or the media that you're putting out there through this.

[Royce White]

Show? Oh, well, the mainstream media is all the legacy institutions, from New York Times to Washington Post, even over the, the Guardian, you know, BBC. All the way down the line, you got your mainstream media television channels like abc, cnn, msnbc, Fox News, you know, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post. In some regards, all of those institutions are more or less mainstream media legacy.

[Interviewer]

Outlets. And then as. How would you consider your show in position to say the.

[Royce White]

Major. My show is what they call a, A fly on an elephant's ass.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Royce White]

Explain. Well, I mean, it's just a very small show in the, in the, in the trillion dollar universe of the Met, the, the media industrial complex. It's just a little podcast, but it has a little bit of power because I speak the truth. And, you know, we can, we just can continue to try and grow that influence and that audience as much as we can with great institutional pushback, with great institutional roadblocks, like YouTube, for example, when they're demonetizing and shadow banning. One of my first episodes of my podcast, I had Alex Jones on as a guest at the time. He was still banned from Twitter's Now X and the entire episode was deleted and pulled from YouTube, which was strange because there are some interviews of Alex Jones that they allow to be on YouTube, but they surely weren't letting mine stay on.

[Interviewer]

There. What has it been like having conversations in public? By public, I mean broadcasted with Alex Jones, Steve Bannon. It's these wider, bigger conservative voices and at times been accused of libel and, and actually successful lawsuits against Alex.

[Royce White]

Jones. Let's talk about.

[Interviewer]

Israel. I still want to focus on the American election. That by that I mean your Senate campaign. What about.

[Royce White]

Israel? Well, I mean, the biggest, if you look at the metrics across social media, the most contentious issue or the hottest issue of American politics is Israel. I mean, so we can't even really talk about American elections or American political campaigns without talking about Israel. Especially you talk about the midter Epstein. Marjorie Taylor Greene, you brought it up. I just want to, I just want to go back to it, make sure that we don't run out of time, because I think it's important. I think might be one of the most important things in.

[Interviewer]

History. How about this? Let me get through these questions and then, and then we can talk about Israel. How's that sound? Because I want to make sure you feel like you can talk about what you want to.

[Royce White]

Talk. Great.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Say you become Minnesota's next U.S. senator. Would you, would you work across party lines to accomplish.

[Royce White]

Change? There are no party lines.

[Interviewer]

Anymore. What do you mean by.

[Royce White]

That? There are no party lines. There's only, there's only there. There are only patriots and nationalists and globalists. There are no party.

[Interviewer]

Lines. But there's still senators from, from different party perspectives.

[Royce White]

Yeah. I mean, on paper, on, on for the.

[Interviewer]

Theater. So are you willing.

[Royce White]

To. There aren't, There aren't a handful of America first unbought and paid for United States senators in the entire United States.

[Interviewer]

Senate. How about this? How would you collaborate with.

[Royce White]

Counterparts? Tell the truth, I'm not collaborating with. With traders. I'm not collaborating with. And some people would say, well, that, that makes you unqualified to run for the office. The prerequisite is that you have to become enmeshed in the corruption of the machine in order to be a viable candidate. And I think that's what's wrong with American political culture is that we expect our candidates to sell out, but then we tell them not.

[Interviewer]

To. Collaboration is selling.

[Royce White]

Out. If, oh, if the collaboration is to undermine the fabric of this country and, and the value of citizenship, for.

[Interviewer]

Sure. I'm thinking about, like, writing bills.

[Royce White]

And like, where do you think the selling out of this nation.

[Interviewer]

Happens? Fair. Fine. All right. I, I clearly you have issue with the system for sure.

[Royce White]

Okay. I have huge issues with the system. I have huge issues with omnibus bills. I have huge issues with the special interest in lobby money in D.C. i have a huge issue with the fact that it's, it's, it's a conventional prerequisite that a United States Senate candidate has to have pre. Committed to a lobby of a special interest in lobby to have any chance of raising the money necessary to win one of these campaigns. I object to all of that. And I think Marjorie Taylor Greene does too, in some respects. That's why she's, you know, she's. She's taken some of the action that she.

[Interviewer]

Has. I mean, what about the amendments, U.S. constitution? I mean, these are things part of the system and checks and balances, Executive branch, judicial.

[Royce White]

Branch. Well, that's all good. I mean, no, I don't think that the entire government is a wash. The way that it works is a wash. I think that the way that our politicians do it and the way that our American people accept it is corrupt. And we all know it's.

[Interviewer]

Corrupt. So how would you enter, say, the legislative branch as a Senate if you became a.

[Royce White]

Us? Wait a second, wait a second. This is the heresy of democracy. Remember last time we talked, I think I talked about the heresy democracy. There are four great heresies of the West. The scientific method, democracy, computer technology, and the last and final one will be artificial intelligence. And when I say the heresies of the west, it was man's attempt to bridge the gap between themselves and God, that we could. That we could solve the equation that would ultimately make man.

[Interviewer]

God. So you're taking issue with all the. With these.

[Royce White]

Four? Yes. Now the key one in that is again the scientific method, Democracy, computer technology and artificial.

[Interviewer]

Intelligence. You're against.

[Royce White]

Democracy? The heresy of democracy. I'm against the heresy of.

[Interviewer]

It. Sorry, I'm.

[Royce White]

Confused. I guess the heresy of democracy is that all democratic majorities are made equal and righteous. That's not true. All democratic majorities are not made equal and they certainly aren't made righteous. If we look across history, it's more often that a democratic majority or that a majority of any sort is a reflection of. Is a reflection of its own ineptitude. Yeah. No, I mean if you look across history and you say, when was the time where mankind or humanity was really had a good grasp of things? Not often. So when does making. Gandhi used to say this. Gandhi used to say there's a real falsity to multiply propagation. Just because a majority of people say a thing doesn't make it true. Certainly doesn't make it righteous. So there's a heresy in that we in Western society have agreed that if we have a 51 plus majority, then it means we did the right thing. That was a heresy. It's a heresy of the west and it continues to plague us to this.

[Interviewer]

Day. I think part of the reason.

[Royce White]

Why I'm my point bringing that up is the United States Senate is a democrat majority body. Yes. There has to be a majority in order to get bills passed. And that's part of the insulation of the corruption. That one man can't stand up in the United States Senate and force the other United States senators to. To do the right thing. But we can tell the.

[Interviewer]

Truth. Isn't that called checks and balances.

[Royce White]

Though? Yeah, that's what they, that's what they.

[Interviewer]

Say. I guess, let's put it this.

[Royce White]

Way. That's what they call. That's what they say it is checks and balances. It's more like purveyors of the status.

[Interviewer]

Quo. Let me bring it down to the film, or at least myself here. The reason why American Voices, the reason why I've continued to keep building is because of not necessarily the heresy of democracy, but the hope of democracy. Democracy, that is. That is the number of people we've been following cross country to put in a.

[Royce White]

Vote.

[Interviewer]

Yes. Towards their beliefs and under a country that they feel that they have a democratic vote.

[Royce White]

For. Oh, I'm not saying that there isn't hope in democracy. I'm saying that there is heresy in it. And that right now the heresy is the prevailing is it has prevailed. The hope of democracy has yet to prevail. The hope of democracy still exists. It's still there, but it has yet to prevail. And it certainly has yet to prevail in the United States.

[Interviewer]

Senate. Tireget.com, where convenience meets the road. Why make buying tires complicated? With Tireget.com it's simple. Tireget.com one site. A few clicks and the tires of your choice are shipped to an installer right by your house. In lieu of, say, said democracy. What is your plan if you don't get the nomination for this coming.

[Royce White]

Senator? I'm going to win a nomination. All things fair, I'm winning the nomination. The Minnesota Republican Party is going maga and there's nothing anybody can do about it. They'd have to cheat me. And I don't put it past them cheating.

[Interviewer]

Me. I mean, what about that, that Republican forum? It seemed like there was a lot of pushback.

[Royce White]

On. Did it seem like there was a lot of.

[Interviewer]

Pushback? It seemed like there was a debate, conversation, maybe some disagreement in.

[Royce White]

There. There wasn't any pushback. I said what I said and they all sat there and listened because they knew it was true. Another. Another example of the heresy of democracy. Right. Me up there with nine other men. But in the face of the truth, they ought to sit there and take it because they knew, they knew they faced a person who understood and would never back down. So they cut my mic. But I still talked, didn't.

[Interviewer]

I? You.

[Royce White]

Did. I did. Yes, I did. And that's exactly what I would do in the Senate. And that doesn't mean that all 100 United States senators would choose not to sell out the American people. But then at least the American people would have a voice within the Senate that's going to tell them the truth. And there's value to.

[Interviewer]

That. What are the next events of your campaign? In other words, we'd love to keep following you as we have for the past five.

[Royce White]

Years.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. What are some big milestones you're trying to.

[Royce White]

Hit? I think it's January. What do we. January 13th, maybe doing another town hall, Same spot, same.

[Interviewer]

Time. So any big other events down the.

[Royce White]

Line? Well, I mean, you know, it's campaign season. You got the convention, state convention coming up, the endorsing convention. Got all kinds of stuff coming up, man. I mean, it's campaign.

[Interviewer]

Season. When's the last time you worked with.

[Royce White]

Tayo? I mean, I haven't worked with Tayo since 2020.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Since way back.

[Royce White]

Then. Yeah. He's a good. He's. I mean, he's a friend. He's a man of the community, and he's. You know, he's. He's done the best he can to make his life something meaningful and try to help people, and I respect that, and I respect him. And he's a guy who I think has a lot of. A lot of common sense in a world that has lost a lot of common.

[Interviewer]

Sense. What are you looking forward to talking with him about tomorrow? Because we are having a.

[Royce White]

Conversation. I mean, I just look forward to seeing Tayo as a. As a. As a friend who I've known since I was 17, 18 years old. I don't care what we talk.

[Interviewer]

About. That's great.

[Royce White]

Actually. Yeah. A good.

[Interviewer]

Dude. Would you ever not just consider, but also reach to get him to help you with your.

[Royce White]

Campaign if he wanted to? I mean, I wouldn't be against it, but I don't. I don't require people to help.

[Interviewer]

Me. No, I never require. It's more like, how would you convince him? Or, like, try to get him.

[Royce White]

To. I tell them the same thing I tell everybody else. You get the government you deserve, and by God, we all will. But, you know, my campaign is not about. My campaign is not so much about that kind of thing. You know, it's. It's about the truth, man. It's about the truth telling people the issues. This interview is what my campaign is about. This right here, what we're doing right now, the articulation of the ideas, the, the, the, the, the rigorous intellectual dissection of, of, of our philosophy in Western society and what we're going to do going forward, how we even think about things, how we even frame the questions. What should we be asking? What should we be demanding of our political candidates? What's the right way to be involved in the political process? What does it mean to have to be a citizen? Civic duty. These are the things that I'm interested in. And that's not for everybody. It's a somewhat lonely road, but one that needs to be journey down.

[Interviewer]

Anyway to ground in this like. Well, that's the last question grounded in the framework of the project, the American Voices.

[Royce White]

Project.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Since the chains on the streets that march, Black.

[Royce White]

Fourth.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. How have you grown or changed as an individual since that compelling, powerful.

[Royce White]

March? I mean, if you're not a completely different person five or six years later, then you've probably failed at life. So I'm completely different, evolved, more advanced, More courageous than I was even then. Because it's easy to stand up and lead a peaceful protest in the heart of the George Floyd Floyd situation, in some sense, wasn't easy to do it the way that I did it or say the things that I said. But overall, the momentum is, is on the side of the people in that George Floyd 2020 situation environment, to run against the entire weight of the American political elite, that's.

[Interviewer]

Dangerous. You called for change.

[Royce White]

Then.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Have you seen progress with that.

[Royce White]

Change? Yeah, of.

[Interviewer]

Course. How.

[Royce White]

So? Well, I think the advent of social media has at least opened up a political dialogue in this country that is still taking shape, but, but it's open and, you know, more than ever, people are contributing a lot. And in that, you know, in that they are experimenting and people are saying things that are unconventional. And that's good. That's good. You know, scientific heresy of scientific method. There isn't a scientific consensus. Science is supposed to be experiment, trial, error, you know, check and, and so on and so forth. And it's the same thing in the conversation, same thing in the culture is people should be testing the boundaries of culture and ideas and saying, well, what about this? Maybe those things take root, maybe they don't. President Trump's certainly did. That's why he, that's why he won the narrative in.

[Interviewer]

2024. To be fair. I think in science at least, you can test and experiment and do well to prove H2O is to a.

[Royce White]

Degree. To a degree. There is. There is some verifiable science. There's a lot of science that we say is verifiable or safe or sure. That isn't so sure. Because if it was, we probably wouldn't have had a virus break out of a lab during Wuhan.

[Interviewer]

Right. Last question. Because I want to make sure you get to.

[Royce White]

Israel. Okay. Remember? No, you want to get to Israel. You asked me about Marjorie, Taylor Greene and Epstein. Yeah. Because I just want to answer it.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Okay. All right, let me, Let me.

[Royce White]

Clear. I'm not stump speeching about Israel. I talk about it so much, I'm exhausted. But we are here in PBS and might as.

[Interviewer]

Well. I am curious, did you vote for President Trump in 2018 or 2016?

[Royce White]

2016. In 2016. No, I didn't vote at all in 2016. I was. I was living in Canada at the.

[Interviewer]

Time. Why? Oh, I didn't. Could you.

[Royce White]

Like. Yeah, I was playing professional basketball in Canada in London, Ontario, in 2016, 17 and.

[Interviewer]

18. And what you were seeing from afar, looking into what was happening.

[Royce White]

Here.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. How did that shape then to what it is.

[Royce White]

Now? Well, I tell you this. I thought that Hillary was corrupt then. I thought that President Trump made some great points about Hillary Clinton. Then if you asked anybody in my family, my mom or anybody else at the time I was staying, then, hey, you know, you may not like the way President Trump is going about it or doing it, but when he says all of your donors take the same tax cuts I do, that was like a gut punch to the entire status quo.

[Interviewer]

There. Also, I'm confused. I mean, you're an American citizen. Why didn't you.

[Royce White]

Vote? You know, I don't know if you should be able to vote if you're living in another.

[Interviewer]

Country. That being said, people who are.

[Royce White]

In other countries, American citizens, they.

[Interviewer]

Vote. Like, for example, I was working abroad for some of the elections. I threw my vote because for.

[Royce White]

Me personally, at the time, you know, it, I just didn't feel comfortable with it. I didn't feel comfortable with, you know, Now I turned 18 right after President Obama was elected in 09. So that would have been the first election I could have voted in. I couldn't vote in it, but that would have been the first time I was even 18 years.

[Interviewer]

Old. But you made a point not to vote.

[Royce White]

What? In 2012, I didn't vote.

[Interviewer]

Either. Okay, this is.

[Royce White]

Fascinating. Well, sometimes people should abstain their.

[Interviewer]

Vote. But why did you not.

[Royce White]

Vote? Oh, I'll tell you. In 2012, in Obama's second term. I was already hip to Barack Obama and Mitt Romney was a complete and utter embarrassment. So I abstained my vote. Then 2016, I wasn't living in the country. I think it, I don't think it's appropriate to be living in another country full time and cast a ballot in this country, even though I'm a citizen. I know. I just don't think that that's right. I didn't think it was right at the time. Maybe now I was begging the.

[Interviewer]

Question. Like, so at that time, that.

[Royce White]

Was my thought process is like, hey, I'm living in Canada full time. You know, maybe I shouldn't, you.

[Interviewer]

Know. But you weren't able to vote in Canadian.

[Royce White]

Elections. No, no, not, no. I didn't try to vote in Canadian elections. Maybe they would have let me. I don't know how good secure the Canadian system is. But not, don't. Not really my issue. Right. Unless we annex Canada. Then, then we'll, we'll deal with their election.

[Interviewer]

Integrity. Next, let's return to the Epstein files and Marjorie Taylor, please. It has become these, and that's not just these two. It's a pattern within the Republican Party where there's concerns about Trump in feeling like he is open to releasing all the files in all its earnestness, as well as Marjorie Taylor Greene's argument and perspective that he's not America first.

[Royce White]

Anymore.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. So I'm curious where you sit in the landscape of these issues happening within the Republican.

[Royce White]

Party. Well, I'll say this. When I first ran for office in 2022, I was running for congressional district 5, and I got a call from the Washington Post and they asked me if I supported Marjorie Taylor Greene and more specifically, if I supported her showing up at the rally of ultra white wing Nick Fuentes. And at the time, I didn't even question. At the time, I didn't even know who Nick Fuentes was. I asked, I remember asking the reporter, is he Spanish or is he Latino or something? And she was like, no. Well, I don't know. She, you know, I don't know what he.

[Interviewer]

Is. I think he's pretty clear about who he is.

[Royce White]

Now. Well, I don't think it's so clear about who he is, honestly. But that's, that's neither here nor there. Obviously he has Latino heritage. I think he's Italian and Latino, or else you wouldn't have a name like Fuentes anyway. So I think maybe Mexican. I'm not sure exactly what his, his heritage is, but regardless, he's pretty.

[Interviewer]

Open about his perspective about white.

[Royce White]

Supremacy. I don't think he's as open about it as people.

[Interviewer]

Say. Say.

[Royce White]

Explain. But we'll talk. We'll. We'll. We'll talk about that. Because I think Nick Fuentes is an important piece of this entire Israel dialogue. If people. If people don't recognize that, then they're not living in reality. There's a reason why Nick Fuentes's podcast went number one on Spotify before they deplatformed him. It says something about the inertia of the political dialogue in this country. But anyway, at the time, I didn't know who Nick Fuentes was, but I knew Marjorie from War Room. And like I said, I think Marjorie. Local.

[Interviewer]

Crime. Yeah, I was gonna say I'm.

[Royce White]

Like local crime in Minneapolis. There you.

[Interviewer]

Go. I think.

[Royce White]

Marjorie. Yeah. No, I think Marjorie has a lot of testicular fortitude for a woman. Yeah. And she's shown that from the beginning. Do I agree with her on every issue? No. Do I think she's an intellectual juggernaut? Doesn't need to be. You know, simple people can tell big, big impactful truths. And, you know, I say that as a preface because I've always respected Marjorie, and I was there with Marjorie the day that Steve Bannon was hauled off to Danbury Federal Prison and that kangaroo witch hunt show trial that the Congress put on for his contempt by Bennie Thompson and the rest of the apparatchiks there in D.C. and the Democrat Party, Nancy Pelosi. So I just respect Marjorie. I got love for her on a personal level. Do I agree with her bowing out of the fight? Not at all. Not at all. Do I agree with her making her rounds on the Democratic Nightly News like CNN and representing that as though CNN is really interested in her position rather than the, you know, the takedown of President Trump from within? Because Marjorie has been such a close ally to him over the years. I'm not buying it for a second. I know exactly who Kaitlan Collins is, and there's nothing that Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to say on a show with Kaitlan Collins that's going to change my awareness of Kaitlan Collins motivation. Now, what Marjorie says we can. We can debate about, and we'll talk about Israel and Epstein now, but I know what CNN's purpose is for doing it. They don't care. CNN didn't care about Epstein until it provided the possibility to be detrimental to President Trump's image, because if they did, then Epstein would have been a big deal since I don't know Bill Clinton was president. Right. I mean. Right. Because obviously, the history of Epstein and this entire.

[Interviewer]

Deal. Yeah, he has a long.

[Royce White]

History. He has a long track.

[Interviewer]

Record. Epstein has a long track record.

[Royce White]

History that it goes to President Bill Clinton and President Bill Clinton, if I, if my history serves me right, was president when I was born, in the 1990s, in 91, Bill Clinton was president. So we're in 2026. That's a longer time for Jeffrey to be bouncing around there. And this isn't the. It's not recently that whispers of Epstein's transgressions, you know, surfaced. People, when you do shit like that. Let me say this. When you do shit like Jeffrey Epstein was.

[Interviewer]

Doing.

[Royce White]

Yeah. Whether the general public knew about it or not is one thing, but the political elites in this country knew. More importantly, it seems clear that the intelligence community in this country knew. And for that reason, the fact that this is only coming up now for the Democrat media seems blatantly obvious that its intention, its motive is to try and tie it to President.

[Interviewer]

Trump. I'm confused. Weren't Republicans the one who release more of the documents.

[Royce White]

Though? True, true. But again, he's the president. He has the levers of power. The FBI and the DNI and all the other intelligence agencies are under his control currently. So for the files to not be released is detrimental to his public approval, as it should be. And, and the files should be released in full. And I think we're set, what, in a couple of days? Yeah, it should be, you know, the files. And I think he's asked to release all the files. We'll see. I mean, this is a real inflection point of American history here, this Epstein thing. It's not, it's not inconsequential at all, and it's not a hoax. And I think where I would park company with President Trump and his assessment of the whole situation is, well, the Epstein thing. And granted, he may know some things about the origins of this entire Epstein deal that the American public doesn't know or isn't allowed to know because it's classified intelligence. Classified intelligence, which I do think it is, by the way, so that may be part of it. But when the American people want to know about a, a child trafficker or, Or a child molester or a pedophile of Jeffrey Epstein's reach and, and, and what it would appear to be political significance, there's nothing unwarranted about that. The American people want to know and they should know, and we should have those files.

[Interviewer]

Released. Well, that's one of the things that Marjorie Taylor Greene is absolutely become a part of.

[Royce White]

The. I just don't agree that CNN has any real interest in the, in the, you know, in the prosperity of this country or its.

[Interviewer]

People. But I'm not talking about cnn. I'm talking about Marjorie.

[Royce White]

Green. Yeah, but my point is, on behalf of the MAGA movement, I love Marjorie Taylor Greene, and I think she has more testicular fortitude than about 95% of the men in the, in the Congress. However, I hold people to a high standard. They call me the hatchet man in the MAGA movement for a reason. I hold people to a high standard. And I, and I don't regard Marjorie Taylor Greene going through the, you know, the Democrat media stopping grounds as being 100% on the up and up for the Democrats. They may give her a platform, but it seems that the Democrat media will give anybody a platform who's willing to say something that tears at President Trump's.

[Interviewer]

Image. But she left and said that she's not a part of the MAGA movement.

[Royce White]

Anymore. Yeah, she can say that. But, you know, you can't really, if you believe in the ideas fundamentally on a philosophical level, you can't leave the MAGA movement. It's a movement about the basic philosophy of our nation. It's a movement about the call against corruption of the political elite. Now, you can have problems with the MAGA leaders. You can say President Trump is no longer a genuine MAGA leader, but you can't say that you've left the MAGA movement because the MAGA movement is intrinsic to anybody who actually cares about the prosperity and stability of this nation. I'd be curious saying I'm not an American.

[Interviewer]

Anymore. I'd be.

[Royce White]

Curious. You.

[Interviewer]

Are. I'd be curious to hear what she says to that.

[Royce White]

Point. Me, I would, too. And I invite any. Any day she wants to talk about it. We could. That's fair. Yeah, okay. That's fair.

[Interviewer]

Israel. Pray tell, let's talk about.

[Royce White]

Israel. Well, I do think that Jeffrey Epstein was working with Israeli.

[Interviewer]

Intelligence. How do you know.

[Royce White]

That? Well, I mean, just look at his connections. If, if I, or you or anybody else preach. President Trump, even, for example, had the loose connections to MI6 and Israeli intelligence that Jeffrey Epstein appears to have. We would be. It would be a foregone conclusion that it should at least be considered that. That Israel, Israeli intelligence was involved working with.

[Interviewer]

Them. How, and to what end? What do you. What is this.

[Royce White]

Theory? I think that Mossad is not afraid to transgress what they call international law or standards about espionage. We know that from our own CIA testimony. Agents from within the CIA that report that Israel's intelligence officers would routinely try and bug office rooms and vehicles and other things like that when they would visit.

[Interviewer]

America. I guess, maybe get more specific with me about Israel. Are you saying that there's an infiltration effort by Israel?

[Royce White]

Explain. Because, like I'm saying, there's an infiltration. Infiltration effort. I think that they have infiltrated. I think that, you know, from the broadest point of view, Israel is a geopolitical cornerstone of a globalist agenda by nature because of its strategic location. Energy, oil, the Middle east being a routine place that international interests can go to and draw upon to foster war, conflict, change, economy, all kinds of things that flow through the Suez Canal, for example, or the Middle East. So Israel is firmly a part of an ongoing geopolitical strategy for many, many interested parties and.

[Interviewer]

Nations. How. As much thought as you put to Israel, how does it play into your worldview, especially your campaign? I'm just. Well, look, ground me a little.

[Royce White]

Bit. There are no. There is no Democrat or Republican Party. I tell.

[Interviewer]

People. And yet I have to, like. I mean, I'm an independent. Yeah, but people are registered Democrats. People are registered Republicans. I guess I don't.

[Royce White]

Understand. It's a fugazi, is what I'm saying. It's, it's, it's, it's. It's smoke and mirrors. It's, It's a. It's.

[Interviewer]

Fictitious. Then why.

[Royce White]

Run? Because you have to represent the thing that. No, it's not that.

[Interviewer]

It. Under. Under. Under one side, one party.

[Royce White]

Exist. It's that without honest representation, it doesn't exist. The Republican. Yeah, okay, let me. I'll tell.

[Interviewer]

You. Yeah, yeah. Again, Smoother brain. Yeah, yeah, sorry. You have to. You have.

[Royce White]

To. The Republican Party is. Is not the Republican Party. If every Republican in it is interested. Is interested, you know, economically interested, especially interested, let's say, especially interested. Special interest in policy that destroys a Republican form of government. The guarantee of a Republican form of government, or the philosophy of Republicanism. The philosophy of Republicanism. And this is what I tell people about why I'm running as a Republican. Two things. The Republican Party is the only political party that at least pretends to accept some room for God and Jesus Christ. Culturally, the Democrat Party as a political platform has all but rejected God and even mocked Christianity as nothing more than conspiracy theory, fantasy, or in more modern terms, a representation of white.

[Interviewer]

Supremacy. I seem to recall a lot of Christian Democrats.

[Royce White]

Though. No, they're not a lot of Christian Democrats. Because if you're a Christian, if you're a Christian, you don't let people mock Christ. You don't let people claim that Christianity is a quack or conspiracy theory. That's deeply.

[Interviewer]

Offensive. Who said.

[Royce White]

That? Who said.

[Interviewer]

That? Well, I guess you're. You're making.

[Royce White]

Accusation. Many Democrat pundits have said that over the, over the last, I don't know, 10 to 15 years. Many Democrats have.

[Interviewer]

Said. I'm just saying that there are probably a lot of Christian Democrats who take issue to what. With what you.

[Royce White]

Said. Oh, there are a lot of Christian Democrats that will pretend that the Democratic Party hasn't become. Hasn't become a party that rejects. That fundamentally rejects Christ. There certainly are a lot of Christian Democrats who would say that. Like Nancy Pelosi says she's Christian, but she's aligned with a political party that fundamentally rejects the cultural idea or significance or importance of.

[Interviewer]

God. I mean, I don't think that's in the mission of being a.

[Royce White]

Democrat. Yeah, you're not paying.

[Interviewer]

Attention. How am I not paying.

[Royce White]

Attention? Okay, well, let's put it this way. When, when I, when I hear, let's say the View, for example, which is the most watched daytime television show in America, or close up there, at least amongst the women demographic, then you have people like Joy Behard and Whoopi Goldberg make the claim that we need to be cautious of this Christian movement in America, that Christianity creates radicals or that Christo nationalism is a dangerous political philosophy, and that really Christianity is more or less fantasy. It's not rooted in anything real. The Bible's not real. Jesus Christ is, Is not really God. God isn't real. There's a significant thread of, of secular humanism and scientism in the Democrat Party. And because of it, there is a very strong cultural sentiment in the Democrat party and platform that Christianity has become a danger to American culture. Which is why prayer in schools, or, you know, coaches, football coaches baptizing their players is regarded as.

[Interviewer]

Fascism. Well, I mean, separation church and state. I think that's pretty.

[Royce White]

Solid. Sure. Yeah. You can separate the church and state. That doesn't mean that there's not utility or usefulness to prayer or common good values. See, the, the gaffe.

[Interviewer]

About. Well, that's the difference between public schools and Catholic schools and Christian.

[Royce White]

Schools. Come on, come on. I mean, it says so. So our money is good enough for God, but our school schools.

[Interviewer]

Are. There's still the freedom. There's still the freedom to have a.

[Royce White]

Cat. Should be and it should be the freedom. Okay. A good example is this gender. The transgender and LGBTQ ideology has become almost religious, religiously practiced and taught in the public schools. So why can you have teachers teach about lgbtq, which is completely unscientific, but you can't have a teacher pray at the.

[Interviewer]

School? I guess I'm just saying that a lot of LGBTQ plus people would take, like, wide offense to what you just.

[Royce White]

Said.

[Interviewer]

Why? Because of who they are and how they.

[Royce White]

Perceive. But Christians.

[Interviewer]

Wouldn'T. I'm.

[Royce White]

Sorry. But Christians wouldn't. Why can't we pray in schools? But we can teach young men to transition, to become young women. You regard one as a religion and one is not. What makes it a religion? Christianity. What makes a religion a religion? Organization, Organization. Ritual, outfit, costuming, regalia, documents.

[Interviewer]

Philosophy. But there are people who are openly gay and openly lesbian. Trump has been supportive of the LGBTQ community of the past. I'm confused. Like, what's.

[Royce White]

The. I don't get. What's confusing the LGBTQ community, I don't think. And the.

[Interviewer]

Philosophy. There's a difference between identity and.

[Royce White]

Religion. Oh, is.

[Interviewer]

There? Okay, one. Religion can be identity by identity doesn't necessarily have to be.

[Royce White]

Religion. Oh.

[Interviewer]

Really? Not.

[Royce White]

Always. Really. But what if your identity has become religious? What if it's. If it's. What if your identity is religious in your practice? In practice.

[Interviewer]

That'S. I mean, I. I believe, though, that's. That that can be for each person into the. To their own, but for sure. But when it's LGBTQ plus, I mean, that's a. That's the way. That's a worldview. That's the. The way they see the.

[Royce White]

World. Right. It's the same way that Christians have a right to the view of the world. We do. So if you're a.

[Interviewer]

Public. I'm not saying that you should have the.

[Royce White]

Right. If you're a public school teacher and you decide. If you're a public school teacher and you decide to teach your class in world history or whatever else. English, and you decide to use the Bible or religion to do that, why is that seen as a problem? But it's not seen as a problem to use, you know, LGBTQ examples or whatever to teach about gender identity.

[Interviewer]

In terms of the Bible bit, all I can speak to is the separation of church and state aspect. That makes some sense to me. And I went to Catholic school when I was growing up.

[Royce White]

Right. The only thing, the separation of church and state is that the state can't have a mandated religion. Yeah. Doesn't mean that. Doesn't mean that your public school teachers can't teach the utility of.

[Interviewer]

Christianity. But they're not allowed to now. I mean they shouldn't. I mean, I don't.

[Royce White]

Know. They are allowed to now. President Trump made that legal again, the federal level. All.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Royce White]

Yeah. We got off track about Israel though. My point about Israel is this and I think it's an important point. You were asking me about Epstein and Israeli intelligence. I do think that Jeffrey Epstein was working with Israeli intelligence. I do think that there was a joint. And you asked me to what.

[Interviewer]

End? I guess. Where's your source? I don't know. I've never seen this, I guess like specifically. Okay, well I mean Epstein and the idf, Mossad, I just haven't seen.

[Royce White]

That. Like you've never seen this. That can like the connection between Epstein and Mossad or Israeli.

[Interviewer]

Intelligence? I guess I haven't studied as much as you.

[Royce White]

Have. Well, his, his. His sidekick in crime who may have in fact been the architect of the whole deal or may have been his.

[Interviewer]

Control.

[Royce White]

Yeah. Islam Maxwell's father, George Maxwell was on the record of working with Israeli intelligence. So just even there fundamentally he was an Israeli intelligence.

[Interviewer]

Asset. So are you implicating the Israeli government for something specifically with Epstein? Is.

[Royce White]

That. No, I think that. Yeah, I think that the entire Epstein situated project, you know the entire Epstein trafficking of young girls etc, that Epstein was able to operate the way that he was with the help of intelligence agencies. And it probably it may have been a conjunction of agencies including in Mossad, but. But also the CIA and MI6 as well or the Five Eyes more broadly maybe we don't.

[Interviewer]

Know. But where's your sourcing to can conclude.

[Royce White]

That? Well, I just. I mean just look at the history of Ghislaine Maxwell and her father. Her father was an intelligence.

[Interviewer]

Asset. But that doesn't mean they're like. That's not.

[Royce White]

Proof. I guess that it does seem. It does seem precarious that, that Epstein was able to operate and deal with the level of individuals that he was with impunity for so.

[Interviewer]

Long. But suspicion lead to.

[Royce White]

Guilt? No, no, not at all. I'm not saying that there's. That there's hard proof but like I said earlier about Edward Snowden, sometimes it. Our intelligence community or our government has made it so that in order to find the evidence you need to prove the. The wrongdoing or corruption is actually made illegal. That's why Edward Snowden is not living in America today. The, the intelligence, the. The intelligent, the intel of of our government surveilling us with the. With the Patriot act under the pretense of the Patriot act was considered classified in national security intelligence secrets. So to divulge them is considered treason. Same thing could be true if there's a joint operation for Epstein to black high blackmail highly influential figures on behalf of intelligence of the intelligence community and. Or as a form of.

[Interviewer]

Control. Let me know when you find hard.

[Royce White]

Proof. Okay, well, here, let's. Let's prove this. Israel is a contentious issue, and for good reason. Because much of Western society and much of the Western world is rooted in a philosophy and faith that was founded right there in Western Asia in Israel. And that's what they call the Judeo Christian faith and value system. So it makes sense that Israel is a contentious issue. I think there's something deeply dishonest happening with the way that Israel is discussed in politics and in.

[Interviewer]

Culture. Remind me, what sect of Christianity are you. Are you devout Catholic? Oh, you're.

[Royce White]

Catholic? Yep. Baptized, born and raised Catholic church. Yep. So I do think that there's something deeply dishonest about the way Israel is discussed. Number one, it seems that you can't discuss it at all for some people. You can't ask any questions at all about our relationship with Israel, our agreement or partnership with Israel, or any criticism of the Israeli government or Israeli politicians, leaders like Bibi Netanyahu. That's just a non starter for American society, for our.

[Interviewer]

Culture. Let me be clear. I haven't made any films or researched it enough for me to feel like I can be an authority on.

[Royce White]

Israel. Yeah. So you should start there. Because America. America is definitely deeply entrenched in a question about Israel and foreign.

[Interviewer]

Policy. Now, which leads me to the question then, about your constituents. How much do your constituents need to know about your concern about Israel? Like what? Why is that important? Why is it important to your.

[Royce White]

Constituents? I don't know what's important. My constituents. It's not really that. That's not a priority to me. My priority is to tell them what they need to know is. Is important. You know what I mean? What they made, what they already think is important is one thing, but what they need to know is.

[Interviewer]

Different. You want them to know or.

[Royce White]

Need. I need people to.

[Interviewer]

Realize. Help me with that.

[Royce White]

One. I need people to realize that Israel as a. As a political topic here in this country and maybe all around the world is being used as a way to control the conversation on both sides of the aisle, is being used to censor and cancel and make and stifle people asking questions about other issues that don't necessarily even involve Israel, like our foreign policy. Our foreign policy of America first isn't really about Israel. But yet, if you follow the trail of America first foreign policy far enough, you end up at a question about what we'll do in regards to Israel. And so in that way, Israel becomes this, you know, this, this revolving door of, of stifling the conversation in one direction or another. And in that way, it's duplicitous and dishonest. It's just like the Jewish identity, which is just like the black identity. Like, you can't, you know, I was talking to a Jewish man the other day at the Republican State Central Committee, and he said, you know, you're saying some things that are parallel to Nick Fuentes and the Groiper movement. And my response to him was, well, what does the Jewish community plan to do about Nick Fuentes and the Groiper movement? What is the plan? What is the strategy? Is your strategy just to call them all anti Semitic and say they're ridiculous and write them off as not something to contend with? Because if you do that, you're making the same mistake that many people made about President Trump and the MAGA movement not too long ago, just to write it off as.

[Interviewer]

Ridiculous. Okay, so what do you.

[Royce White]

Suggest? My suggestion is to listen to the things that they're saying and be able to parse out what's true and what's.

[Interviewer]

Not. How do you know what's true and.

[Royce White]

Whatnot? Discernment research and historical fact. Yeah, there's a lot of ways to, you know, there's a lot of epistemological ways to, to decipher truth, what is and what.

[Interviewer]

Isn'T. But I'm a classic reporting.

[Royce White]

Guy. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, here's what I think about again, the term the Jewish identity, it's used in the same way the black identity is used. And you can't even say certain things. Like, I was outside of the Federal Reserve. This guy took exception to me saying that there were Jewish elites that ran the Fed, and there were publicly admitted Jewish elites that have recently run the Fed. Janet Yellen, Ben Bernanke, a couple of.

[Interviewer]

Others. So that person being offended was. Was. He shouldn't have felt.

[Royce White]

Offended. Well, I think it's part of a bigger cultural. Cultural crisis of identity politics being used in the bait and switch to stifle conversation about necessary issues in this, in this case, Israel, our foreign policy, Jewish, a sort of Jewish protected class where you can't Criticize anything that Jewish people do or even mention anything Jewish people do as a community. Same thing I said about the Somali community. If a Somali man robs a bank, I can say he was a Somali man. If a black man robs a bank, you can say he was a black man. But I don't think if a Jewish man robs a bank, you can say he was a Jewish man. But you can't. Well, no, but you can say a black man or a Somali man, but you can't say he was.

[Interviewer]

Jewish. But I think there's a difference between, between saying a Somali person stole and then paint a whole broad brush and see, Somali people are garbage. I.

[Royce White]

Mean. No, no, that's not what I'm.

[Interviewer]

Saying. But there's a difference.

[Royce White]

Though. What I'm saying is that you can't say that a few Jewish elites ran the Fed because to say there are Jewish elites is supposedly a dog whistle to an anti Semitic trope. And that, that's just a non starter. There are Jewish elites in this country. There are Jewish elites in the world. There is a Jewish lobby there. There are Jewish people who are not loyal to this country. Hell, there are Jewish people who aren't really even loyal to Israel, depending on how you look at their political actions and participation. There are Jewish people who are loyal to nothing but themselves, same as any other race of people on the face of the planet. But for some reason, if you say it about Jewish people, then you're automatically anti Semitic. And that's what they're throwing on Marjorie Taylor Greene or they have thrown on Marjorie Taylor Greene. They've thrown it on President Trump at times recently. They've thrown it on Steve Bannon and others of the War Room Posse. They've thrown it on me as much as they possibly could. And it's created a rift in the Republican Party and in the conservative movement because such a big piece of the Republican Party or the conservative base are evangelical Christians who carry the same sort of belief about the, you know, the, the Israel conversation. And I think that it's just completely dishonest. There are black elites. If I say Barack Obama is a black elite, he is. And it's funny. We talk in the black community, we talk about black excellence the same way I said about a few other communities. But we hold up our identity when we talk about our success. But if we talk about the failures of an identity or demographic or a race of people, all of a sudden it's racism or anti Semitism. The Jewish people in this country have failed to Stand up in the conversation about the history of the Jewish people, Israel, and the current political, let's say, correctness in a way that's, that's honest. And because of that, they are responsible for the rise of the Nick Fuentes and Griper movement. The Nick Fuentes of the world wouldn't be able to point, point out the contradictions that he can had it not been a bunch of Jewish people in this country refuse to stand up and say, don't use my identity that way. Don't play fast and loose with my Jewish identity to perpetuate forever wars in the Middle east or to stifle a conversation about the, the influence of political lobbies like, let's say, APAC in American politics. And every time a Jewish person fails, a Jewish person fails to do that, they are adding ammunition. They are, they are lending ammunition to Nick Fuentes in the Griper movement. And it doesn't seem that they, that they plan to stop. From my interaction with this gentleman and the way that the media has, which, Joan, this Jewish gentleman at this Republican convention. Yeah. And the way that the media has covered my comments in general and has continued to cover comments about Israel in general, it doesn't appear that that's slowing down and it is going to become, it's becoming a dividing line for the midterms. Right. Because you see now an alliance growing where Marjorie Taylor Greene and Anna Kasparian, one of the more socialist populists or far left activists in the, in the political commentary world, are finding agreement on Israel. Now, do I, do I see their agreement as 100 genuine? No. And I do think that there is a movement on the left in American politics that seeks to undermine the legitimacy of Israel as a nation so they can make the same claim about America as a nation. And there is a group of people on the left that say Israel is not legitimate as a nation because any nation that stands upon stolen land is illegitimate and that without America's help, Israel wouldn't have been able to secure their current land. They make the same claim about America, that America sits upon stolen land. So therefore it's not a legitimate nation. It's not lost on me that a person like George Soros who has a political organization that promotes open borders or a borderless society would fund candidates or political propaganda that suggests that no nation that's ever been conquered is a legitimate nation because all nations have been conquered. If you make the claim that no nation that's ever been conquered or rest upon stolen land, conquered land, use conquered land stolen from you if you make that claim, there is no legitimate nation on this planet. What nation hasn't been conquered that's of any value, any resource, any, any strategic geopolitical.

[Interviewer]

Location. Power has always.

[Royce White]

Existed. There you go. Okay, so if we're going to say that power categorically delegitimizes all nations, it becomes pretty clear what the agenda.

[Interviewer]

Is. So where does Israel sit in your position as the candidate for U.S. senate in.

[Royce White]

Minnesota? I think it's, I think it's, I think it's unbelievable how gum dipped the Republican Party is about.

[Interviewer]

Israel. Was gum.

[Royce White]

Dipped? You know, they're brainwashed. Yeah. They are in blind support of Israel because of an evangelical Christian philosophy. And it has made it almost impossible for a decent number of them to ask any basic questions like, hey, is Israel's government doing the right thing? Is Bibi Netanyahu a good leader? Is there corruption in Israel? If there's corruption, what should America do about it? And what role should we play or what kind of, or how should that affect our partnership? We are having trouble, a crisis with that in the Republican Party and in the conservative movement. And that is where a lot of the civil war we first, you know, you were first discussing or the, the kind of fighting inside the Republican Party stems from really a lot of it stems from this question about.

[Interviewer]

Israel. Interesting. I, I chuckle a little because I'm in awe of the conversation we're.

[Royce White]

Having.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Because when I, when I got to sit down with you in 2020, you know, we were talking about police.

[Royce White]

Brutality.

[Interviewer]

And the, the distrust and dist. The state and the.

[Royce White]

Government. Yes.

[Interviewer]

And it was just a very different conversation, at least in scope than, than it is to now. So, so much between now and.

[Royce White]

Then. It was, but it wasn't. It's the same thing. It's a lot of.

[Interviewer]

Parallel. Sounds like the magnitude is, has, has.

[Royce White]

Intensified. Well, you know, at the time we were talking about something that was going on immediately in the city. And I do believe that, you know, you know, the concept of government and citizen is a pretty broad scope idea. I mean, that's not, you know, that's not crumbs, political crumbs. We all as citizens should be in constant assessment of our role as citizens and the scope of government authority. The scope of the state. Absolutely. And I still believe that. And I still believe the sovereignty of the citizen, the, the ability to self govern in this country is in jeopardy. And I do fear the rise of a police state regardless of what political parties in power. And I do fear the rise of, of totalitarianism in America or what you would call, you know, the pretext for martial.

[Interviewer]

Law. And what do you say to the people who, especially those of whom I'm just looking at the interviews of Somali American citizens were detained recently in.

[Royce White]

Minnesota.

[Interviewer]

Yes. In fear of a totalitarian regime brought on by this current.

[Royce White]

Administration. It wasn't brought on by this.

[Interviewer]

Administration. Okay, so there is concerns.

[Royce White]

Of. But let's be clear about.

[Interviewer]

That. Of state, State ICE.

[Royce White]

Overreach. Let's be clear about that because that's not, that's not a, that's an important point is it wasn't brought on by this administration. If, if, if there was a. If there.

[Interviewer]

Is. Let me be more specific though. Like it quite clearly there have been American citizens been wrongfully detained for being accused of being.

[Royce White]

Illegal.

[Interviewer]

Right. And they're not. So, so how is that different from citing government.

[Royce White]

Overreach? From a libertarian standpoint, the circumstances with which there's a necessity for federal intervention for illegal immigration was not brought on by this administration. It was left to this administration. So the, the, the, the, the responsibility of what we're dealing with now actually has to go back to the Biden administration and how many illegal immigrants were let into the country under his, under his.

[Interviewer]

Watch. Do you find it necessary for the federal government to overreach on the citizenry of.

[Royce White]

People? No, I don't find it, I don't look at it as overreach. It's, it's part par for the situation and that is unfortunate. And it's a failure of the citizens. That's where we don't. We, we don't. We don't.

[Interviewer]

Really. You're saying it's a citizen's.

[Royce White]

Fault? Yes, absolutely.

[Interviewer]

How. Yeah. Why is it the.

[Royce White]

Citizens. If you're a sovereign, why is.

[Interviewer]

It the citizens fault that the government is arresting you on like.

[Royce White]

Unlawfully? You get the government you deserve, and by God, we all will. If, if sovereign citizens collectively don't hold their politicians to a standard that allows for a government to maintain its credibility and its integrity and its basic function, then the results of that, when a government becomes tyrannical and overreaches, ultimately falls back on the citizens. This is what I was saying back in 2020. This is why I march people to the Federal Reserve instead of the first police precinct. And you were.

[Interviewer]

There?

[Royce White]

Yeah. How many times did we walk past the police.

[Interviewer]

Precinct? Yeah, no, I remember every.

[Royce White]

Time. Did we ever stop at the first.

[Interviewer]

Precinct? I don't think.

[Royce White]

So. No, we did not. We stopped at the Federal Reserve though, didn't We. Right. Because in the. In the wake of a rise of radical materialism and bad economic and monetary policy, inflationary culture, we have given over too much governance to the very system we say is guilty. And when you do that and your politicians decide to let in 15 million citizens, you're telling them they have to clean it up in a way that's going to transgress your rights. And I think people crave tyranny. The dark part. Oh, yeah, See? Yeah, let's go there. Oh, I see you looking kind.

[Interviewer]

Of.

[Royce White]

Because. What do you.

[Interviewer]

Mean? Well, I have a vote. Like, I want to. I don't want a tyrant taking over my.

[Royce White]

Life. So you say. I'm saying that right now. I know you're saying that, but I'm making a comment about American culture, and this is what I'm.

[Interviewer]

Saying. 1.2 to button up the thing that you just.

[Royce White]

Said.

[Interviewer]

I. People. I find. I find that the people.

[Royce White]

Who. Freedom is across the breadth of human history, across the entirety of human history. The Cherno House of history. Freedom is a luxury. Freedom is a luxury. Sure, it's a desire, it's an aspiration, it's a hope, it's a founding belief of our American. Of our American values. But it's a luxury throughout history. And people crave convenience. On my show on Saturday mornings, I always. In the intro, I say convenience would be the death of freedom. People crave convenience. And although tyranny can manifest in harsh ways and be scary and be uncertain, tyranny ultimately does abnegate the responsibility of the citizen. So in that way, even tyranny can become a modality of convenience. It's convenient to give my freedom to a tyrannical state. And if you look at the trajectory of American society and culture, everything that we do and the way that we participate in the way we've sold out to special interests and lobbies and politicians who lie to us. Everything we do suggests that we talk about freedom, but we deeply crave.

[Interviewer]

Tyranny. Yeah, but clearly that's.

[Royce White]

Convenient. For.

[Interviewer]

Whom?

[Royce White]

Like. Well, that is the question, sir. Well, who is it convenient.

[Interviewer]

For? Well, obviously the Somali American citizen who got detained wrongfully. It's not convenient for.

[Royce White]

Him. It's convenient for the Somali community.

[Interviewer]

As a whole for him to be.

[Royce White]

Detained unlawfully, for the government to be bigger than it's supposed to be because they accept the subsidies. You don't get one without the others. The same as the black community. You don't. The same people who said the entire system is guilty when George Floyd died, somehow Believe that the infinite expansion of the federal government through federal programs and subsidies is going to shrink the power of that system. Now you tell me how that squares. If I say the whole system is guilty and inherently white supremacist, then why would I give that same system more money and more.

[Interviewer]

Power? So what do.

[Royce White]

You. I'll tell you why. I'll give them more money and more power if I think it benefits.

[Interviewer]

Me. What do you propose then as a.

[Royce White]

Use. If I think the social welfare programs and the. And the, you know, the grift about roads and hospitals and infrastructure, or the expansion of the military industrial complex and our power around the world, or even the US dollar as our number one export, the economic and monetary system itself. If I think that the net aggregate of all those things is a benefit to me, then the government can have as much power as they want. And I'll vote for any politician who's willing to puppet the propaganda and tell me what I want to hear versus what I need to hear. And in that way, American society has become a nation full of cucks. We love our government fucking us. We love getting fucked over. We complain about it. We have opinions about it on social media. But deep down, if you look at the net result of how we participate as citizens, we love getting fucked by our government and our politicians. It seems like we almost crave it because we talk about it, but we're not willing to get involved and do the work. We're not willing to call foul where it really needs to be. The Somali community has to acknowledge if we're going to give the American government all of these broad powers because of government subsidies and programs, and we're going to take the money when the government decides to get a little tyrannical, ain't much we could do about it. We got to sit back and roll with the.

[Interviewer]

Punches. I feel like a lot of people will disagree with you.

[Royce White]

Especially. You could disagree if you want. But look at the.

[Interviewer]

Results. It begs a question. Say you do win your nomination and win the seat. Then what do you.

[Royce White]

Do? Look at the.

[Interviewer]

Result. What is. What is your. What is your policy recommendations as a US Senator? And even. And even you said president, right? As a president, what would you.

[Royce White]

Do? Tell people the truth? Let me. Let me leave people with. That's your policy. Let me leave people with this theoretical. Let's say tonight you're watching whatever streaming service that you.

[Interviewer]

Watch. Give me a campaign promise. Why.

[Royce White]

Not? Let me. Let's say tonight you're watching whatever streaming service you watch. Okay? Could be Cable television, could be local television, anything. Yeah, sure. Let's say you get an emergency broadcast from the American government that says, this is not a test, this is a crisis. There has been an outbreak of a pathogen that could potentially wipe out our entire population. National Guards, American military are being deployed to your local area to help you to safety. We're going to bring you to the FEMA camps to try and contain the outbreak of this deadly pathogen. How many. What portion of the American society you think would.

[Interviewer]

Go, fear is a powerful agent. Yeah, I see a.

[Royce White]

Lot. I'm asking how.

[Interviewer]

Many. I see a lot of people doing.

[Royce White]

That. Yeah, 90%. I don't know. I'd say about the same amount of people that took the.

[Interviewer]

Vaccine.

[Royce White]

Sure. Let's use that as a. As a.

[Interviewer]

Predicate. Not. Not a bad parallel. Have you taken the.

[Royce White]

Vaccine? I did not. I did not. Have not been vaccinated. COVID.

[Interviewer]

Vaccine. Yes. I assume not. Take the co. Bloody.

[Royce White]

Clarified. Yeah, but let's. Let's use that number that whoever the COVID people took COVID vaccine would probably go along with the. With the martial law. Right. You look at that and you go, do the American people really understand what it means to be free and the responsibility and danger that comes along with that? Our Founding father is one of the most brilliant statements from our founding fathers. And I always tell people this at Republican Party events because I think that the Republican Party likes to pretend that we care about freedom and the founding of this nation. But when push comes to shove, it's more of a moniker than it is a practical practice. If you trade, if you're willing to trade your freedom for security, you will have neither. And more importantly, you deserve neither. Our founding fathers constructed this nation in a way where we assume, we presuppose God given inalienable rights. But they were so tough intellectually. They believed there was a way for you to forfeit your God given rights. Imagine that as a concept. Just conceptually, that's profound. You have inalienable God given rights, which means that there's an authority higher than the government. But you can be such a fucking coward that you forfeit those God given rights. I love.

[Interviewer]

That. But the opposite's true.

[Royce White]

Too. Go.

[Interviewer]

Ahead. The Federalist Papers. The ability to. To check, change, check and balance over time as societies.

[Royce White]

Evolve.

[Interviewer]

Yes. To protect said inalienable rights. Just like.

[Royce White]

Lincoln.

[Interviewer]

Yes. Just like the ability to vote. As it comes back.

[Royce White]

To. I agree. The question is, if your lawmakers are not righteous, then there is no rule of law. There is no the law Is not righteous. And we all know that our lawmakers are not righteous. We know that they're not playing on the up and up. We know they're.

[Interviewer]

Corrupt. So what's your.

[Royce White]

Plan? Tell the truth.

[Interviewer]

Man. That's not a policy, though. Come on, give me more, give me.

[Royce White]

More. No, it.

[Interviewer]

Is. Give me a policy plan.

[Royce White]

Here. Something detail America first. Just.

[Interviewer]

Right. Pretty.

[Royce White]

Broad. Still broad. Yeah. We're in a. We're in a bad time. We need broad policy approach. Tell the truth. America first. There's nothing wrong with taking care of your home first if you don't believe so, you know, the next time your house is. Is a mess, go on down the street to your neighbor's house and spend the day cleaning their house instead of your own. Take the doors off of your own, your own, your own front. You know, your. The front of your house. We need a border. If you don't have a border, you don't have a country. Our priority should be number one. As a nation, that's just prudent. That's kind of the standard of all nations across history. In fact, the same neocolonial philosophy that the liberals say that they detest is the philosophy that informs that America should be responsible for the entire world. Who the fuck are we to be responsible for everybody else and tell everybody else how to run their shit? I love to see the rise of the populist movement in Africa and Burkina Faso. I love that the young general there in Burkina Faso told all these international folks, get the fuck out of our country. We will survive or fail on our own, but we're going to use our natural resources and our people to try and build our country up in a way that represents the best interests of us as a nation. But the key word in that is as a nation and Burkina Faso is on the rise as a nation and as a Westerner, I say God bless. God bless him. More power to him. Hopefully it doesn't become a communist.

[Interviewer]

Nation. But what do you say to the people who are seeking help, who want.

[Royce White]

Aid? The question is what type of aid? What type of aid and in what.

[Interviewer]

Capacity? I mean, I guess I'm saying that young general is speaking for a lot of people. A lot of people don't agree.

[Royce White]

Necessarily. Well, the people in Burkina Faso agree, and that's all that matters.

[Interviewer]

Okay. I've not done enough.

[Royce White]

Work. At the point where the people.

[Interviewer]

Not done enough work in. Became fascinated. That was a broad.

[Royce White]

Statement. At the point where the people in Burkina Faso disagree, I expect you'll see some. Some Some conflict there in Burkina Faso the same way you saw in Somalia. The problem was we went into Somalia and tried to prop up one side of the conflict and then we end up with all these Somali immigrants here who need our taxpayers money. Tell me what country China comes to the West AIDS in a war between us and Mexico and then American refugees have to go to China and they're going to what, pay for us to be there? Give me a fucking break. Never going to happen. You know what they do to you in China if you cross the border illegally? They just take you out back and they just shoot you in the.

[Interviewer]

Head. I, I guess I just, they.

[Royce White]

Don'T take the time to pleasantly deport you back to your origin.

[Interviewer]

Country. I guess I don't like in.

[Royce White]

My mind their own people in China. I mean.

[Interviewer]

It'S. Yeah, you know, I guess get into a lot of these cases, which is fun to discuss in this sense, but when I think of the United States and immigration in particular, I find that to be a strain, I. E. The melting pot aspect of me of be, of my, my parents coming from.

[Royce White]

Hong Kong to a certain level. Oh yeah, let's talk about Hong Kong another.

[Interviewer]

Day. Yeah, but my, my, my parents.

[Royce White]

Immigrating here in Hong Kong, the Western was the Western focal point of, of China. And that's why the Hong Kong knees were locked down brutally during the COVID pandemic. Because President Xi and the Beijing regime saw fit to give the Hong Kong knees a nice reminder that Beijing runs, runs Southeast Asia now. And that no matter how many Hong Kong ties there are to the West, President Xi Jinping will be the one to decide the future of China from here forward.

[Interviewer]

Right. But I do think that's why being in this country, immigrating here has afforded that ability to have more freedom than say in that situation. I think that's all I'm saying. When it comes to Somali, Somali Americans as well.

[Royce White]

Too. The answer, but the answer is for Somalia and China to become as free as America is. That was the whole point of the project. When we said after World War II, we're going to take freedom and democracy all across the world by peace through strength. The point of it was that the peace we brought by military strength was supposed to make nations self determining. We didn't. We made them dependent on us. We made China dependent, We made east, we made Europe dependent. We made Africa in some ways dependent. All of these NGOs, oh, we want to give condoms to, you know, to Mozambique, it's like, oh, they need us or else they're going to be an age, you know, it's going to aids, going to run rampant through Mozambique. No. Make them self determining. We didn't do that because we liked stealing the money from them. Being poor and having a poor structural government. We liked it that.

[Interviewer]

Way. You're suggesting to isolating keep out. Is that the.

[Royce White]

Idea? No. My, my goal as a United States Senator is to bring a, a cultural sentiment to the United States Senate that says the number one priority for, for the United States Senate and for the American government legislatively is to pass bills and policies that return self determined, that, that return self determination to the, to the countries that we said that we were going to help but didn't that it's actually important that they become self determining now because if we don't, not only do they fail like Somalia, but then America starts to fail. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy. It's like a bad Ferris wheel where the destruction just kind of spirals down into chaos. And that's what we see. No, no, no. We want Somali to be a strong, prospering, sovereign, self determining nation. That would be great for America, but it would also be great for the Somalis that live here in Minneapolis. They could go back to their homeland. They have a beautiful country. They fled their country not because the land was in arable or because there aren't natural resources, because it's a dry and desolate place to live. They fled because of a conflict of genocide and war. A genocide, by the way, that Ilhan Omar's father participated.

[Interviewer]

In. But there are a lot of.

[Royce White]

A lot of them want to go.

[Interviewer]

Home, but a lot of them enjoy being.

[Royce White]

Here. No, you don't. See, you don't know the Somali community that well. A lot of Somalians came here from the refugee status and they would love to go home if Somalia was a place that they could return to and.

[Interviewer]

Prosper. But a lot of people grew up here as Americans and a lot.

[Royce White]

Of people who grew up here are first generation from Somalia in the 90s and they would love to go home as well. They love their nation, they love their homeland. That's why they kept the culture. You see the difference between the Somali people and I respect them for this. They kept their culture and their heritage. But nobody says you're Somali supremacists. No, they speak their language, they keep their customs, they keep their, their, their, their clothing and their, and their, their heritage and their garb and their diet. You know, they do the things that the Somalian culture does. But that says something about how they feel, you know, when it comes to Somalia, about.

[Interviewer]

Somalia. But I'm just saying that I don't, based on the conversations I've had.

[Royce White]

With small Ukrainians who have, who had to leave Ukraine under this current war, love to have not had to leave Ukraine and be able to return to.

[Interviewer]

Ukraine. I'm simply saying speaking for everybody is just hard for me to do because I haven't talked to them myself specifically to warrant that degree in.

[Royce White]

Wider. I'm telling you a people that keeps the type of cultural heritage alive and vibrant like the Somali community does, and I know them well because I'm here in Minnesota, Minneapolis, it suggests that they, they are deeply affectionate about where they come from. And it says that they, they were forced out under bad auspices. Maybe they came here for opportunity. But the question is why does that opportunity not exist in Somalia? It's because of our business model. It's because of the British Empire's business model. It's because of western society's academic elites business model where they say we want to help everybody, but only if we can stand over you in virtue signal we're smarter than you Somalians, so we'll be telling you what's best for your country. And then we'll allow you few immigrants to refugee status on over to Minneapolis and we'll give you welfare and free medical assistance. What kind of a deal is that? We'll rape your fucking country blind in exchange to become award of the American welfare state. Are you fucking kidding me? Now the question the Somalis have to ask themselves is what, what, what type of self respect do they have? What type of, what type of pride do they take in themselves? And it's the same thing Americans have to ask. Same thing black people have to ask. Don't be telling us you'll give us a couple of hbcu, you know, graduate certificates that are under, under credential, over credentialized, undereducated and, and, and force us into a gig economy where we're not going to own anything, but we're going to be happy. Because this cosmopolitan world traveling Instagram Persona seems to benefit me. Being able to get high and fuck on the weekends. That's not a real existence. That's not an identity to be proud. Proud of. Maybe if you're Meg the fucking Stallion it is. Maybe if you're Jasmine Unbelievable Crockett, it is. But if you're Frederick Douglass, if Frederick Douglass was alive today, he'd stand up and say, look at what black America has become. We're A joke of our own ineptitude. We don't even demand the highest standard of the citizenship that I fought so hard to create equal opportunity for, to access to. We don't even demand it. We've become, you know, a ghost in the machine of the rise of AI and, you know, social media superficiality. No, you have to demand more for yourself. It goes for blacks, it goes for asians, it goes for whites, it goes for Christians and Muslims and Jews, it goes for men and women, young and old. It goes for the Somalis, the people of Burkina Faso, the people there in Poland, in Germany. It's the same problem all around the world. And that's why when I ran, I said, what I'm fighting against is the globalist agenda. The globalist agendas. The globalist agenda's goal. The goal of the globalist agenda is to bastardize the sovereignty of the individual and the nation.

[Interviewer]

State. I'll say this, I'm of the mind that it's hard for me to speak for anybody really straight up, like in terms of culture, backgrounds, identities, Partly the reason why this project came into fruition in the first place. I want to talk to people up close, firsthand, and see where their nuances, where their beliefs, identities and perspectives, Perspectives come come to bear and how that matriculates into a vote or their actions in the society. So for me, I think it's a constant exploration to figure out who we are and who each other are in this country at this.

[Royce White]

Time. Yeah, that's fair to.

[Interviewer]

Say. And, you know, so as much as you are assuming the perspectives of multiple people, I think for myself, I try my best to explore and connect and ask the questions to figure out that over.

[Royce White]

Time. Yeah, well, that's why I'm running for u. S. Senate and you're doing reporting. Because I have to. I have to have a little bit more surety about what people's intentions are. But I don't just say it as a conjecture or, or, you know, you know, my own individual theory. I'm going off of what they say and more importantly, what they do when I say the globalist agenda again, George Soros is one of the biggest funders of the democrat party and he openly promotes a borderless society. Society. What would a. What would a world be without borders? Now leave people with this. Even borders is an interesting one. There's a profound meaning in borders. Some people look at borders as these arbitrary lines that powerful people draw to divvy up natural resources and land. Borders have a much deeper spiritual meaning than that. Borders place a limit on man's unfettered ambition to be emperor, ruler of all and in the highest. At the highest level. God. That's what borders do. Borders say you can't be king of everybody and everywhere. So how could we. Why would we have a borderless society? Who would be in charge of a borderless society? See, the communists never ask themselves that. The communists never say, well, who's actually in charge of a communist society? It's like people who say, oh, well, you think that the Chinese billionaires are really communist. No, they're capitalist hiding as communists. No, they're communists who are. Who are. Who are raping the people of a bigger share, a bigger lion's share of the. Of the. Of the treasure of the. Of the take. Their communist philosophy is that government should be the highest authority in society. That's where their communism shows in a republican form of government. Republicanism is that the sovereign individual is the highest authority of the society, only. Only transcended, only superseded by God.

[Interviewer]

Himself. We've gone on for a bit of.

[Royce White]

Time.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Let me just say, ask one last.

[Royce White]

Question.

[Interviewer]

Yes. Just what do you hope for. For you coming election? What do you hope for the next.

[Royce White]

Months? I hope that we have a real awakening in this country of what's important, that people are more interested in conversations like this one and that we hold ourselves to a higher standard as citizens, politically, culturally, spiritually, intellectually. I think the intellect and the spirit are inextricably linked and that the Bible is a guide to improve the intellect so one can improve their spirit. And there's a crisis of that in our. In our society. And I hope that all political campaigns, political candidates, political activists, the entire political world, the entire political industry, because it is an industry, becomes, you know, a shepherd of, of evolution, cultural evolution. That's what politics should be. It should evolve the culture. Right now, it's destroyed the.

[Interviewer]

Culture. So let me be clear. We're not broadcasting anything now. What we're going to do, the goal is to revisit everybody closer to the election, like the actual election, whether it's like, right afterwards or right before it. But I'd love to reconnect with you. Come closer when the campaign's in full, full steam. See how things are.

[Royce White]

Going.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. How's that.

[Royce White]

Feel? It's.

[Interviewer]

Great. Thanks so much for continuing to work with me and talk with me.

[Royce White]

Mike. Thank you.

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