SECURING AMERICA WITH FRANK GAFFNEY - JAN. 10th, 2026

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Podcast: Real America’s Voice

Episode: Securing America with Frank Gaffney - Jan. 10th, 2026
Host: Frank Gaffney
Guest: George Raceley (editor of Conservative HQ)
Date: January 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Securing America focuses on critical recent events and themes concerning U.S. national security, geopolitics, and domestic political dynamics. Frank Gaffney is joined by veteran political strategist and commentator George Raceley for a wide-ranging conversation about the dramatic U.S. operation to extract Nicolas Maduro from Venezuela, the implications for U.S. energy and hemispheric security, the 2026 midterm elections, the evolving political situation in New York City, and the ongoing threat posed by Sharia-supremacist groups domestically. The tone is urgent, combative, and deeply skeptical of Democratic leadership, with both guests voicing strong support for President Trump’s recent actions and the broader MAGA/conservative movement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Risky Move in Venezuela: Analysis & Impact

Timestamps: 02:39–11:05

• Frank Gaffney hails President Trump’s covert operation to remove Venezuelan strongman Nicolas Maduro from power as “a more courageous, risky, fraught presidential decision” than any in recent memory ([03:30]).
• George Raceley calls it “one of the most gutsy presidential decisions in our 250-year history. It was also a necessary one because allowing Maduro to stay in power... allowed the cancer that he was bringing into our hemisphere to metastasize even further.” ([05:41])
• The move seen not as a bilateral issue but a confrontation of U.S. vs. a coalition of adversaries—Venezuela, Iran, China, Russia, Hezbollah, and Cuban agents ([05:41]).
• Raceley outlines the strategic depth: “it was a twofer, maybe a 4 or a 5 for… because the secondary implications of the raid were so massive, so important, so relevant to our present security situation.” ([06:40])
• Skepticism addressed: Although Maduro was extracted, the rest of the power structure remains. George cautions there is “a long road to travel” to truly transform Venezuela, but intelligence operations and negotiations are at work. Reports suggest the current Venezuelan VP (Delsey Rodriguez) has been “playing ball with us for almost a year.” ([08:25])
• Trump is “prepared for another strike if that's necessary”—but prefers a non-violent transition if possible. ([10:46])

2. Leveraging Venezuelan Oil: Energy, Economy, and Geopolitics

Timestamps: 14:43–23:30

• Trump is said to describe Venezuelan crude as “our oil” and sends oil executives to pursue American investment and recovery of assets.
• Raceley explains: “Venezuelan oil has been under sanction for many years... traded on the gray market, the black market. It's been part of what amounts to nation-state money laundering operation with the Russians and the Iranians and the Chinese. Bringing Venezuelan oil back onto the legitimate world market will presumably lower the price... But more to the point, the Venezuelan economy is largely dependent on oil and it has taken a massive, massive hit.” ([16:28])
• Humanitarian aspect highlighted: “The average Venezuelan has lost almost 20 pounds in the last decade because they're starving.” ([17:33])
• The U.S. might use oil revenues to relieve suffering for Venezuelans and compensate U.S. firms for seized investments ([18:50]).
• Logistically: U.S. to control the Venezuelan oil deals, “go directly into storage ships which are controlled by the United States and essentially auctioned” ([21:22]), which Raceley calls “almost a surrender of a chunk of Venezuelan sovereignty, if you will.” ([21:49])
• Economic ramifications: Increasing oil supply lowers global prices and U.S. inflation. “Imagine a drop in oil prices and gas prices at the pump going into the 2026 midterms.” ([24:10])

3. The 2026 Midterms: Strategies, Concerns, and Party Dynamics

Timestamps: 26:54–33:20

• Raceley is “cautiously optimistic” on issues for Republicans/conservatives but lacks confidence in GOP technical and turnout operations ([28:07]).
• Democrats described as in “disarray,” with internal rifts spoken of as worse than GOP-MAGA conflicts. The “far left whacko side is winning” in the Democratic Party, but that only works “in big urban areas.” ([29:46])
• Healthcare costs and subsidy rollbacks discussed as potential Democrat wedge issues. Raceley: “Nothing these subsidies were doing is actually lowering the cost of healthcare. It's merely transferring the burden.” ([31:42])

4. Zoran Mamdani’s Mayoralty in NYC: Collectivism, Chaos, & the Left

Timestamps: 33:20–38:51

• Gaffney and Raceley react with concern to “appointment of Marxist jihadist twelver” Zoran Mamdani as NYC mayor. Gaffney says Mamdani's agenda is “embracing the warmth of collectivism,” implying attack on private property and chaos ([33:29]).
• Raceley: “Based on history, the warmth of collectivism is the warmth of the grave, so not all that warm, it turns out.” ([34:32])
• Debate: Is Mamdani trying to make policies work, or does “failure is a feature, not a bug”? Raceley: “If chaos is the only goal, then certainly they're well teed up to accomplish chaos, if chaos can be considered an accomplishment.” ([35:40])
• But: Promised radical changes may spark pushback if undelivered, especially in bread-and-butter services like transit and groceries.

5. January 6th, Five Years Later: Counter-Narratives and GOP Responsibility

Timestamps: 41:11–48:51

• Gaffney asks if J6 was “an insurrection”; Raceley: “If that was an insurrection, it was the lamest and most inadequate... It was...a legitimate protest... directed to get out of hand by... Nancy Pelosi and her minions... in the Capitol Police...” ([42:43])
• Argues J6 is no longer a salient political issue beyond Democratic circles, and that key facts point to a “well planned direct action” by Democrats and government actors to harm Trump’s base ([45:17]).
• “One of the failures of the Republican majority in the House has been to ferret out the details of that and to expose them... All the evidence... indicates this was... a well planned direct action.” ([46:27])
• Raceley expresses certainty that the 2024 election was stolen and maintains protesters had a “constitutional right to show up and protest.” ([48:18])

6. Sharia-Supremacist Threats: The Minnesota Cash Fraud Scandal & Beyond

Timestamps: 51:27–59:13

• Gaffney probes revelations of “stealth jihad” through Somali community fraud in Minnesota, linking state-level AID models to “an endemic funding mechanism for the enemies of our constitutional republic with our own tax dollars” ([55:31]).
• Raceley: “These billions of dollars... went back to Somalia to support Sharia supremacist military operations... and also... support mosques and other command and control centers.” ([55:31])
• The conversation broadens to Texas: “If Texas falls, America falls. They have targeted Texas with mosque building, with importing thousands of Muslims into the state for the purpose of turning Texas into Minnesota... This is not an accident...” ([58:03])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Trump’s Venezuela Decision:
  • George Raceley: “One of the, if not the most gutsy presidential decisions in our 250-year history.” ([05:41])
• On Foreign Influence in Venezuela:
  • George Raceley: “It's the US versus Venezuela versus Iran versus Red China versus Russia versus pretty much anybody else who might be thinking about becoming an enemy of the United States.” ([05:55])
• On Economic Impact of Restoring Venezuelan Oil:
  • Frank Gaffney: “Imagine a drop in oil prices and gas prices at the pump going into the 2026 midterms.” ([24:10])
• On Democratic Party Dynamics:
  • George Raceley: “The far left wacko side is winning [in the Democratic Party]. The national appeal of guys like Zoran Mandami, AOC...is zero.” ([29:46])
• On NYC's New Mayoral Agenda:
  • Frank Gaffney: “I have been somewhat surprised to see right out of the gate, appointees of this mayor pronouncing that they're going to end private property, at least white people's private property...” ([33:29])
• On the January 6th Narrative:
  • George Raceley: “If that was an insurrection, it was the lamest and most inadequate insurrection ever undertaken.” ([42:44])
• On the Minnesota Somali Fraud Scandal:
  • George Raceley: “This is an endemic funding mechanism for the enemies of our constitutional republic with our own tax dollars. And it's something that the Democrats... It's not a bug, it's a feature.” ([55:31])
• On Texas as a Target:
  • George Raceley: “If Texas falls, America falls. And they have targeted Texas with mosque building, with importing thousands of Muslims into the state for the purpose of turning Texas into Minnesota.” ([58:03])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump’s Venezuela Operation: 02:39–11:05
• Venezuelan Oil & Economy: 14:43–23:30
• 2026 Midterms & Party Dynamics: 26:54–33:20
• NYC Mayoralty & Collectivism: 33:20–38:51
• January 6th, Five Years Later: 41:11–48:51
• Minnesota Somali/“Sharia” Controversy & Texas: 51:27–59:13

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Episode Tone & Style

The episode delivers pointed, conservative-leaning analysis in a direct, sometimes combative style. Both host and guest blend urgent warnings about U.S. domestic and foreign threats with commentary intended to rally a conservative audience. Critique of Democratic figures and policies is strong, and the conversation frequently invokes existential stakes for the U.S. republic.

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Conclusion

Frank Gaffney and George Raceley provide a sweeping, unapologetically conservative take on major national security and political challenges facing America as 2026 begins. Topics are tightly linked to central themes of American strength, sovereignty, energy independence, and the defense of Western values, with deep skepticism about both foreign adversaries and the Democratic Party’s intentions and methods. Notable for its particular focus on the Venezuela operation, the looming 2026 midterms, and a conspiratorial narrative concerning the Democratic party and “Sharia supremacists,” this episode seeks to inform, alert, and activate its core audience.

Transcript

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[Frank Gaffney]

Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Gaffney. The program that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic. To the Glory of God and his kingdom. We're going to be talking about some very important subjects. Important, yes, in the macro sense, for the nation, for the free world, for the, well, Western civilization. But also I'm going to make the argument that we're going to be talking about things that should be of great importance to you personally, individually, your family, your business, your community. And who better to talk to about all of these subjects than a man of vast experience, notably in political life, having worked on some 300 campaigns at every level, president on down, a man who these days is the editor of a marvelous online resource, Conservative hq, the newsletter of Richard Vigory, an iconic figure in the conservative movement. His name is George Raceley. He is also best known perhaps to our audience as our duty genius here at securing America, a member of the Mensa Society and a man who invariably says he will try to live up to this billing, and he will, but also whose appearances on this program are one of its highlights. And we're always so grateful to him for joining us, especially for full hour as we kick off 2026, take stock of, well, a little bit of the year in the past, but now very much focused on what is ahead. I'm fond of saying, George, a happy New Year if you can keep it. Welcome, my friend. Good to have you with us.

[George Raceley]

Well, thank you, Frank, and happy New Year to you. We will try and keep it. That's what we're here for.

[Frank Gaffney]

We will try to keep it for sure. And that's what we're about at this program, of course, course is trying to keep it. George, let me start by talking to you about the developments of last weekend and the action that President Trump took. I have to say I can't remember certainly in my memory, my lifetime, a more courageous, risky, fraught presidential decision than this one. Maybe you could put Jimmy Carter deciding to send troops in to try to liberate hostages in Iran, but we saw how that worked out and that would almost certainly been very much on Donald Trump's mind as he made the order to go get Nicolas Maduro and his wife in a heavily fortified compound in the heart of the capital of Venezuela. What did you make on the presidential leadership and sheer guts scale? How would you rate that, sir?

[George Raceley]

Well, I think that it's undoubtedly one of the, if not the most gutsy presidential decisions in our 250 year history. It was also a necessary one because allowing Maduro to stay in power in Venezuela allowed the cancer that he was bringing into our hemisphere to metastasize even further. And People want to look at this as a sort of bilateral issue, if you will. It's the US versus Venezuela. It's not. It's the US versus Venezuela versus Iran versus Red China versus Russia versus pretty much anybody else who might be thinking about becoming an enemy of the United States. So I had a column, you know, in the aftermath of the immediate aftermath of that raid, in which I said that it was a twofer, maybe a 4 or a 5 for if those were words, terms in the English language, because it was such a, you know, the secondary implications of the raid were so massive, so important, so relevant to our present security situation.

[Frank Gaffney]

I couldn't agree more. And in fact, I want to turn a moment to another example of what he is doing in exhibiting leadership, specifically in this rubric of hemispheric security. But just staying with Venezuela for a moment more, George. Much is being made of the fact that, yes, Nicolas Maduro and his wife were extracted, but the rest of the power structure is still there. The Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Cubanos, well, aside from the 30 or so that were taken out in the Praetorian Guard, those Cubans are all still there. What do you say to people who are perhaps prepared to agree with you that it would make a profound difference if Venezuela were liberated, but they're quite a distance from doing that at this point, and it may not happen, for that matter.

[George Raceley]

Well, there is a long road to travel to get to what would be the ideal situation in Venezuela, which is a democratically elected pro American government. And I say that from the perspective of someone who actually was at the inauguration of the last democratically elected president of Venezuela, Carlos Andreas Perez Chai staffed the vice president in his visit there immediately. Yeah, our vice president immediately after the, our 1989 inauguration where Bush and Quayle took over from Reagan and Bush. So, you know, this has been a long time coming and we have, you know, a long, long period of an undemocratic, socialist, communist, kleptocratic Venezuela to overcome. But I would remind, yeah, I would remind the audience that, you know, there are a lot of ways to accomplish these goals besides, you know, shooting. And I think that the Trump administration is well on the road to making a transition to a pro American administration in Venezuela through intelligence operations, through negotiations. For example, we are hearing reports that the vice president who took over once Maduro was snatched has been playing ball with us for almost a year. And so this is a, you know, clearly behind the scenes intelligence operation that's been working with her. And I would suggest that it would be wise for critics to withhold their criticism until we see how these operations work out. And the president has made it quite clear that he's prepared for another strike if that's necessary. But it would be much, obviously would be much better if we didn't have to do that.

[Frank Gaffney]

George we're going to take a break here in just a moment, but as we speak, there are reports that this former vice president, and let's be clear, long time, you know, enabler and colleague and comrade of Nicolas Maduro, Delsey Rodriguez, is apparently agreed that we're going to get something on the order. It's a rather big expanse between 30 and 50 million barrels of Venezuelan oil for President Trump to sell and dispose of the proceeds of the sale as he sees fit, ostensibly to the benefit of both the Venezuelan people and our own. I want to ask you on the other side of this break, you know, what's that about? How would that work? And do you think it can catalyze the kind of transformation that's required in the government of Venezuela? Be right back with more with Josh Raceley. Stay tuned.

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[Frank Gaffney]

We're back. So is George Raceley, our duty genius here at Securing America. A man of uncommon common sense as well as high intellect. George, you have been following closely. I know the kinds of evolution in our energy posture in this country. President Trump made it a signature campaign pledge that we would regain not only energy security after much of it was squandered, including notably our, you know, precious petroleum stockpile, but also the, you know, rebuilding of the capacity to extract oil in this country. And now we're hearing a lot about oil in Venezuela and it's been described by the president as our oil. It has been his purpose there to get it back. He's talking about sending a delegation of major oil executives down there to invest massively in the Venezuelan energy sector to try to get it back online after it was ruined really by Hugo Chavez and then Nicolas Maduro. So and then on top of it, there's this talk about getting 30 to 50 million barrels of that oil right quick. Immediately, I think is the term the president used. Tell us what's going on here, sir, and what we should make of it.

[George Raceley]

Well, it's important to recognize that, you know, Venezuelan oil has been under sanction for many years and consequently it has been traded on the gray market, the black market. It's been part of a what amounts to nation state money laundering operation with the Russians and the Iranians and the Chinese. And so bringing Venezuelan oil back onto the legitimate world market will presumably lower the price on the world market because more supply, lower price. But more to the point, the Venezuelan economy is largely dependent on oil and it has taken a massive, massive hit. You have to recognize that at one time Venezuela had the fourth highest GDP in the world. It had a standard of living that was first world and the destruction of The Venezuelan economy by Chavez and Maduro has devastated the Venezuelan people. I saw an article and I believe it to be true that the average Venezuelan has lost almost 20 pounds in the last decade because they're starving. I mean, even middle class people, professionals, business owners, are, you know, having trouble finding food. And so to the extent that the President has the ability to take the millions of dollars that would be raised by selling this oil on the world market and use that for the benefit of the Venezuelan people, obviously helps in encouraging this transition because the average person on the street in Caracas, for example, has suffered terribly. And to the extent that we have the ability to put a big American flag on, any relief of that suffering is to our great advantage. Additionally, there is the issue of the Venezuelan confiscation of our oil investments in the country. And, you know, yeah, and so compensation is due for that. How that and when that compensation is achieved is yet to be determined. But clearly, you know, some of the proceeds of this oil sale could, could go to that or could go to encouraging American oil companies to re engage with Venezuela and assisting them in their development efforts.

[Frank Gaffney]

You know, we had Rod Martin on the other day, and he made the observation that when we talk of hear President Trump talking specifically about our oil in Venezuela, he makes the observation that, you know, that oil was made available to Venezuela by virtue of those investments of American companies. They were, yes, profiting from the results of exploiting that oil. But 50% of the proceeds, according to Rod, was actually going to the government of Venezuela. So it wasn't as though we were ripping it off. He said if you were doing it in the Permian basin, you know, the owners might get 20% of the proceeds rather than 50%. So this is a this is a sort of writing of the ship that is in order here. And I guess the question is against the backdrop of and as yet untransitioned government and, you know, cartel state doing business as a nation and government. Can you get there from here, I guess is the the question. And do you have a sense of how this would work, how we would take possession of that oil, how we would get it, you know, to those international markets?

[George Raceley]

GEORGE well, the president or one of his spokesman, I forget which, has said that it will go directly into storage ships which are controlled by the United States and essentially auctioned, if you will, we will physically as well as financially control how that works. And I think that's an unrecognized major step in this transition process. I mean, this is in essence, the antagonistic government of Venezuela surrendering a huge opportunity to the United States. And so it's hard to put exactly into words what this really amounts to, but it's almost a surrender of a chunk of Venezuelan sovereignty, if you will.

[Frank Gaffney]

Yeah. And obviously there are a lot of people, a lot of people who are very sensitive to that being done to the benefit of the United States.

[George Raceley]

Yeah.

[Frank Gaffney]

Even though it will be very much to the benefit of the long suffering people of Venezuela. George, just a quick further comment. One of the things that you sort of alluded to in terms of an upside of all of this is further reducing the price of oil on the international market. And that contributes, of course, to further reducing inflation. And that contributes further to, you know, the affordability, as it's being called in our country of not just energy but a whole host of other things that derive from that. Is that a consideration, do you think, in again netting out the up and downsides of this courageous presidential action?

[George Raceley]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it should be. If again, it is a huge benefit to the average consumer here in the United States to see oil prices go down. That translates into lower gas costs, lower commuting costs, lower home heating costs this winter. And it should be recognized as an important contribution politically as well. I mean, imagine a drop in oil prices and gas prices at the pump going into the 2026 midterms.

[Frank Gaffney]

You've teed up perfectly what I want to turn to next in our long block. We'll be right back with George Raseley about the upcoming midterm elections and what it portends for America and the world right after this.

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[Frank Gaffney]

We'Re back with, fortunately, one of our great resources on all things political because, well, it is 2026 and it is a political year. There will be midterm elections for a third of the Senate, for all of the House of Representatives, and for large numbers of state legislators and some governors and others around the country. We have had a recent election, of course, in the previous off year. George and I want to talk with you about the first days of the Zoran Mamdani mayoralty in New York City. But before we do, talk to us a little bit. As a man who is intimately familiar with the world of politics, having, as I said at the outset, served in one capacity or another on some 300 campaigns over your career, how are you making book on this fall's, well, midterms and these other elections as well, sir?

[George Raceley]

Well, I remain cautiously optimistic on the issue side. And you know, the issues are clearly all on the Republican and conservative and MAGA side of the ledger. I am less optimistic on the technical side because midterm elections are turnout elections. The turnout's going to be lower. President Trump's not on the ballot and he's a big turnout driver. And so it really comes down to do we have confidence in the Republican leadership to deploy the necessary resources in a winning manner and I'm not as optimistic simply because the track record of these guys isn't all that great. Plus the fact. Yeah, and plus the fact we've got a couple of unexpected challenges. Doug Lym Offa passing away unexpectedly and Baird being in this terrible car accident, you know, certainly added two questionable seats to our count there. On the other hand, the Democrats are in such disarray. I mean, you know, to the extent that there may be disagreement or an alleged civil war between, you know, MAGA and the Republican establishment, that pales in comparison to what's going on in the Democratic Party right now. And so, and part of the reason for that is that, you know, the populist MAGA side appears to be winning in the so called Republican civil war. On the Democratic side, the far left wacko side is winning. And you know, the national appeal of guys like Zoran Mandami, aoc, all these other far left Democrats is zero. It only works in the big urban areas.

[Frank Gaffney]

Where there's a million Muslims in the case of Mamdani, and large numbers of Democratic socialists, Communists operatives as well. George, I do, I do want to come back to Mamdani in just a moment, but just staying with the politics thing. The, the one hole card it seems that the Democrats think they have is that there's going to be unbelievable hardship, say it's nothing of sticker shock for millions and millions and millions of Americans over health care and costs that are now going to rise because of a end of subsidies that were, I guess, you know, first introduced in the COVID pandemic moment. How does that play out, do you think? And is that in fact going to be a decisive issue for Democrats, do you believe?

[George Raceley]

Well, first of all, the health care, quote, affordability, end of quote, issue is one that has been, I think, badly mangled by the national media, probably intentionally to help the Democrats. But let's keep in mind that nothing that these subsidies were doing is actually lowering the cost of health care. It's merely transferring the burden. And so to the extent that someone was getting a taxpayer subsidy for their health care, that merely meant that people who weren't getting the subsidy were paying for it. And it remains to be seen, really, whether or not the people who lose their subsidies were Republican voters or who were already on the other side. And I know Senator Josh Hawley is very concerned that, quote, his people, end of quote, will be losing, you know, some of their subsidies. We'll, we'll see how that works out and how the Trump administration answers that question. But to the extent that there's all this talk about, you know, health care costs going up. Well, they're only going up for people who were being subsidized by other people. And so, but they are squeaky wheels. Republicans need to message on.

[Frank Gaffney]

Yeah, and, and, and it will be interesting to see if they will have the fortitude to do that or whether they will perceive this as a huge vulnerability to them, and they will begin trying to figure out how to throw other people's money at the. The problem. George, let me turn to Mamdani, because he's obviously going to be capitalizing on this, among many other things. I have to say, even as much as I thought I had steeled myself for what this, well, Marxist jihadist twelver was going to have in the way of an agenda, I have been somewhat surprised to see right out of the gate, appointees of this mayor pronouncing that they're going to end private property, at least white people's private property, and begin essentially having the state buying up property and thereby becoming, well, I guess the term he used in his mayoral address, embracing the warmth of. Of collectivism. What are we to make of all this, sir?

[George Raceley]

Yeah, well, based on history, the warmth of collectivism is the warmth of the grave, so. Not all that warm, it turns out. Yeah, I suspect that Mandami's agenda is going to run into the hard reality of the corporate coldness of cash as it proceeds. But it should frighten.

[Frank Gaffney]

But could I just interrupt you on that, George, because this is something we need to tease out. The coldness of cash suggests that your view that this won't work without other people's money lubricating it all. Our colleague and friend Sam Faddis points out that he's not. Mamdani's not really interested in making it work. Failure is a, Is a plus. It's a, It's a feature, not a bug, as they say. He is looking to have chaos in the city of New York, not have a functioning system under a socialist metal. Do you disagree with that assessment, sir?

[George Raceley]

I think that Sam is on to something there. And the, the question, though, in my mind is where does the chaos lead and what's their end goal? If chaos is the intention, and it seems to me that they have to come up with a way of producing on some of their promises. And so if chaos is the only goal, then certainly they're well teed up to accomplish chaos, if chaos can be considered an accomplishment. But back to my initial point, there's got to be, if you're promising free bus rides. People who were promised those free bus rides are going to expect them to happen pretty quick. And so Mondami, but also that the.

[Frank Gaffney]

Buses will continue to run as well.

[George Raceley]

So, you know, Mamdani has this same problem that Trump has in a sense of these great high expectations for immediate results. So if those results don't occur, certainly chaos is, you know, well, that's a result, I guess. But if people don't get what they were promised in terms of free bus rides, state run grocery stores, yada yada yada, then there's going to be a different kind of chaos that Mondami may not want, which is, you know, thousands of people showing up in front of Gracie Mansion demanding their free bus ride.

[Frank Gaffney]

Yeah, it does. It does, at the end of the day come down to whose ox is being gored, doesn't it? Excuse me. So, George, if Mamdani is not simply a revolutionary whose idea is basically, I think, the Leninist, one of the worst, the better, but he's going to have to somehow make things work to the point where at least the people that are going to be part of the revolution are going to be, you know, aiming their pitchforks at landlords and capitalists and white people and the like. It does sound as though this is going to be a management challenge for him, even if chaos is the desired objective. We have to take a break. We're going to come right back with George Raceley. We're going to talk about, among other things on the other side. Where do we go on January 6, on its fifth anniversary and more right after this.

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We're back. So is George Raceley, the editor of Conservative hq. I'm told something on the order of a quarter million people subscribe to George's outstanding resource. I hope you will be one of them. It is a very, very important contributor to the public policy debate, and especially if you are, like me, of a conservative mind. It is really invaluable in terms of both George's thinking and that of others whose talent he draws upon to inform and, well, equip us to make sensible policy decisions in the national security arena and more. George, thank you for all of that. Of course. Let me just ask you. You had prominently featured on your Conservative HQ page in the recent days an analysis of January 6, 2021, where we are five years on. I keep hearing from the media that, you know, it's absolutely proven that this was an insurrection, that Donald Trump was responsible for inspiring it and making it happen, and its purpose was to overthrow the government of the United States, Full stop. Do you agree?

[George Raceley]

Well, if that was an insurrection, it was the lamest and most inadequate insurrection ever undertaken. It was, in my mind, a legitimate protest that was directed to get out of hand by actions of the former speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi and her minions in the Capitol Police and the Metropolitan Police, Washington, D.C. and the information that's come out subsequent to January 6th has, I think, demonstrated, if not proven beyond a reasonable doubt, that that is in fact the case. But from a political perspective, and I hate to, you know, put it this way, because many of the J6 protesters suffered unbelievable hardship subsequent to that, including some that were driven to suicide. But the rest of America, outside of the Democratic members of Congress, has long ago moved on from January 6th. It doesn't show up in any political polling as an issue. It's way, way, way. I mean, you know, if it's in the top 50 for those. And it means a lot, and let's get this straight, it means a lot to the people who suffered and their families. And they, I believe, have a legitimate claim to be made whole on a whole range of matters. But, but the rest of America is more concerned about the price of gas, you know, their job security, the price of food, things like that. And so as much as I sympathize with the J6 protesters who appear in the video, by the way, that you referenced on Conservative HQ today, you know, the rest of America isn't focused on that.

[Frank Gaffney]

So just to tie this off, does your analysis of what happened that day and that of the, you know, the video that you are touting here come to the conclusion that I have that this was a direct action operation by the Democrats, notably Nancy Pelosi, with help from the mayor of Washington, D.C. and evidently large numbers of FBI undercover personnel and informants, and presumably other provocateurs brought in for the purpose to undermine Donald Trump and essentially fracture, if not more or less put out of business, his base. And honestly, in hindsight, it certainly seems as though that explanation best fits the facts. Would you agree with?

[George Raceley]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I think that one of the failures of the Republican majority in the House has been to ferret out the details of that and to expose them. And this is something that was, you know, sort of promised to people during the 2024 campaign and is yet to happen. But all the evidence that I've seen, and I've spent probably hundreds of hours reading and reviewing and talking to people who were there, indicates that this was in fact, a well planned direct action, as you put it. Yeah. And clearly Pelosi, Christopher Wray, the mayor of Washington, D.C. were all working in concert to create chaos, to hit a subject that we just talked about in the last segment, and they largely succeeded. Where they failed was in eliminating Trump as a political force. And I think people were more intensely committed to the Trump agenda than ever after January 6th than they were before it.

[Frank Gaffney]

Yeah. And George, just 30 seconds on this. Are you also persuaded that the January 6th protests were correct in their calculation, their estimation, their assessment that the election of 2024 had been stolen? Excuse me.

[George Raceley]

Oh yeah, there's tons and tons of evidence that's coming out. Tulsi Gabbard has alluded to, I hope will be revealed in more detail. But more to the point, the people there had a constitutional right to show up and protest and to petition their government. And to the extent that they were provoked into any kind of violent action by this was part of this chaos.

[Frank Gaffney]

Creating strategy, the scheme, the conspiracy. George, hold the thought. We'll be right back with more with the great George Risley right after this. Foreign.

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[Frank Gaffney]

FOREIGN we're back for one final installment in this very special hour long conversation, a look forward from one of our most revered political seers. And that would be George Raceley, the editor of Conservative hq. You can find his work and that of many other important contributors to the public policy [e-mail] subscribe so you don't miss a single bit of it. George we touched on this a little bit in connection with Mamdani, a jihadist actually of the Iranian Shiite school, which makes him a Twelver, which makes him according to that strain of Islam in favor of bringing about the apocalypse so as to usher in the golden age of Islam and the return of the body and so on. There are others, not necessarily of that particular stripe, but who similarly adhere to Sharia, who seek its supremacy in our country, replacing our constitution and dominating our part of Western civilization as they're busily doing other parts as well. I wanted to ask you about this revelation of what some of those who are part of this movement of Somali extraction in Minnesota have been found out to be doing in the way of, well, a kind of stealthy jihad, I guess one might call it. And the knock on effects of the revelations of epic fraud there on the candidacy of Tim Waltz, the sitting governor, to run for a third term.

[George Raceley]

Well, the revelations about this vast fraud, some have suggested it's as much as $19 billion and counting are I mean this is the model of the Agency for International Development grift on the federal level, taken down to the state level, in which favored individuals and interests, in this case the Somali community, huge voting bloc for Democrats. In fact, I you know, they're the reason Democrats control Minnesota now. They were in essence paid off by allowing them to corruptly access these billions of dollars in federal payments. And this was not an accident. This is not incompetent. This was Waltz and the Democrats in Minnesota turning a blind eye to these guys, stealing these billions of dollars in return for their political support. And there's no other way to look at it. And so in the same way that aid enriched favored Democrats in their not for profit organizations, so the same model was used in Minnesota to enrich these guys.

[Frank Gaffney]

So back the lens up a little bit, George. And to what extent is this evidence not only of grift, as you called it, and corruption at the highest levels in that state, but also of, you know, the agenda of the Sharia supremacists to take us down, you know, using stealthy techniques if violence may not operate at the moment?

[George Raceley]

Yeah, well, these, these billions of dollars, a lot of them went back to Somalia to support Sharia supremacist military operations there. They also have gone to support mosques and other command and control centers, probably not just in Minnesota, but all over the country. And so again, the flow of cash into these guys is directly supporting the undermining of our constitutional republic. And you know, this, this isn't a case where a few guys got rich and got caught. This is an endemic funding mechanism for the enemies of our constitutional republic with our own tax dollars. And it's something that the Democrats. It's not a bug, it's a feature of how they operate.

[Frank Gaffney]

George, you alluded there to the point that some of this money would have flowed into other places in the United States and be used for the purposes of mosque building or creating, you know, Sharia compliant communities, no go zones and, and similar subversion. Texas is one place where I suspect that's been happening. We certainly see flows of money from Michigan and elsewhere in the country and flows of people moving to Texas for the purposes of establishing, you know, this Sharia infrastructure. We're going to be talking a good bit about this this week, as it happens. I'm going to be participating in some of the programs that are going to take place in the Dallas area, featuring the marvelous Dutch parliamentarian and freedom fighter Geert Wilders and our friends Steve Bannon and Peter McElveen and others who have been warning of what's coming to Texas and the stakes for the country if it succeeds there. Could you give us a quick appreciation of the importance of all of that, sir?

[George Raceley]

Yeah, well, I mean, these guys are very smart and strategic and they recognize that if Texas falls, America falls. And they have targeted Texas with mosque building, with importing thousands of Muslims into the state for the purpose of turning Texas into Minnesota. And these are targeted efforts. I mean, the whole reason that Smalleys are where they are is part of an effort to take out conservative rock star Michele Bachmann. And it worked. And so, you know, to the extent that people need to understand what's going on here, this is not an accident. They're not in Texas for the sunny weather they're there to undermine the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America.

[Frank Gaffney]

Full stop. George, we have to stop. This is a critical point to which we will return with you in the very near future, and two which we will be addressing ourselves with a lot of others as well. In the meantime, God bless you my friend. Thanks for the great work you do at Conservative hq.

[George Raceley]

I know you'll keep it up. Thanks for having me.

[Frank Gaffney]

Thanks for the rest of you joining us. I hope you come back next time. Until then, go forth and multiply.

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