SECURING AMERICA WITH FRANK GAFFNEY - JANUARY 24th, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Securing America with Frank Gaffney"

Episode Air Date: January 24, 2026
Guest: Bill Federer, Historian and Author
Main Theme:
A deep-dive into the historical and ideological trajectory of Islam from its inception to its influence on Western societies today, with a particular focus on the intersection of religion, politics, and societal security.

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Overview

This episode features host Frank Gaffney in conversation with renowned historian and prolific author Bill Federer. The discussion provides an extensive, often provocative examination of Islam’s historical development, its overlap with political and military ambitions, and perceived threats to American and Western constitutional values. The tone is unapologetically critical of Islam’s growth in the West, examining its scriptural history, cultural influence, and the West’s response. The episode is both a history lesson and a cautionary commentary on the risks of ignoring ideological threats.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins and Historical Context of Islam

• Power Vacuum:

  • The rise of Islam is situated within the decline of the Byzantine (Christian) and Persian Sassanid (Zoroastrian) empires, creating a power vacuum filled by Muhammad and his followers.
  • [04:27] Bill Federer: “Prior to Muhammad, you had the Byzantine Roman Empire … and the Persian Sassanid Empire. They beat each other up and left a power vacuum. Into that vacuum came Islam.”

• Questioning Muhammad’s Existence:

  • Discussion on the oral nature of early Islamic history and the lack of contemporary records.
  • [05:25] Bill Federer: “Muhammad and all of his original followers … were illiterate and they could never write anything down. … There’s evidence of Muhammad existing is very scarce.”

2. Religious Syncretism in Early Islam

• Borrowing from Other Traditions:

  • Federer outlines how practices and beliefs from surrounding religions—Zoroastrianism (e.g., paradise with virgins), Sabaeans (pilgrimage rituals), Judaism and Christianity (stories from the Talmud and apocrypha)—were incorporated into Islam.
  • [11:14] Bill Federer: “The Zoroastrians also believed in jinns or genies and this appears in Islam…”
  • [12:37] Bill Federer: “Even Encyclopedia Britannica says the gospel was made known to Muhammad through apocryphal and heretical sources.”

• The Kaaba’s Pagan Roots:

  • The Kaaba existed as a pagan shrine before Islam, housing many idols. Muhammad adopts and repurposes these traditions.
  • [11:48] Bill Federer: “For centuries pre-Mohammed, there was a square building in Mecca that housed 360 different pagan gods. The most popular was Hubal, the moon God.”

3. Prophethood, Revelation, and the Nature of Islam

• Prophetic Revelation:

  • The story of Muhammad’s initial encounters with a spirit in a cave; initial doubts about possession; subsequent affirmation by his wife Khadijah and an Ebionite cousin.
  • [13:47] Bill Federer: “Muhammad goes into a cave and prays and a spirit appears to him and squeezes him … he goes to his wife Khadijah … says he thinks he’s demon possessed.”

• The Quran’s Composition:

  • Quranic text compiled years after Muhammad’s death, not chronologically but by surah length, making it “almost incomprehensible” as a historical document.
  • [25:36] Frank Gaffney: “…it makes almost incomprehensible the book and at a minimum, it makes indecipherable the trajectory of Muhammad's life…”

4. Military Expansion and Political Organization

• From Prophet to Warlord:

  • The transformation from peaceful beginnings to increasing militancy in Medina, including ousting and extermination of rival Jewish tribes and instituting the concept of victimhood and justified retaliation.
  • [18:40] Bill Federer: “Muhammad got a fifth of the booty from robbing the caravans… There was this treasure aspect.”

• Pattern of Conquest:

  • Federer outlines a three-step historical process: immigrate, increase, eliminate.
  • [21:12] Bill Federer: “…within five years of Muhammad coming into the Jewish city of Medina as an immigrant, there’s not a Jew left in the city of Medina… immigrate, increase, eliminate…”

5. Religious-Political-Military (RPM) Nature of Islam

• Beyond Religion:

  • Federer and Gaffney assert Islam is a full-spectrum socio-political system, not merely a religion, paralleling Cold War concerns about subversive ideologies.
  • [23:53] Bill Federer: “Islam is not just a religion because Muhammad was not just a religious leader, he was a political and a military leader. So it’s RPM, religious, political, military.”

• Supersession and Abrogation of Quranic Verses:

  • Later, more militant verses supersede earlier, moderate verses (abrogation), which is often obscured in Western academic instruction.
  • [28:46] Frank Gaffney: “…they are actually abrogated, meaning they have been replaced … relatively benign period and the things that replace those verses are not studied…”

6. Expansion and Subversion in the Modern Era

• Historical Conquests:

  • Federer traces the spread of Islam through conquest: Christian lands (Egypt, Syria) succumb by exploiting internal divisions.
  • [29:41] Bill Federer: “Within five years of Muhammad's death, every pre-existing culture in Arabia is wiped out. And then we begin to see Christianity … begin to be eradicated…”

• Cycles of Moderation and Radicalism:

  • Discusses how the Muslim world oscillates between moderation and radicalism depending on Western response.
  • [34:08] Bill Federer: “The dilemma for the West is, the nicer we show ourselves, the fundamental Muslims view that niceness as weakness and they take that as an invitation to attack.”

• Contemporary Examples:

  • References to modern political blunders (e.g., President Carter's role in Iran's revolution, Reagan’s withdrawal post-Lebanon barracks bombing), and trends in immigration, especially in Europe and the U.S.
  • [41:44] Bill Federer: “Western Europe has gone from Judeo Christian to secular gay to Islamic … they’ll just vote in Sharia law.”

7. Islamic Immigration and Demographics

• Demographic Change Leading to Sharia Implementation:

  • Warnings of demographic tipping points in Western societies due to high Muslim immigration and birth rates.
  • [41:44] Bill Federer: “…by 2050, there will be a majority Muslim population in Europe. They’ll just vote in Sharia law.”

• Case Studies:

  • Examples of mosque proliferation in the U.S., especially in Buffalo, Detroit, and Dallas-Fort Worth—often replacing churches.
  • [41:44] Bill Federer: “In the last two years, 70 mosques have opened in the Dallas Fort Worth area…”

8. Doctrine of Hudna and Strategic Weakness

• Tactical Treaties:
  • Concept of ‘hudna’—treaties are temporary and can be broken when advantageous. Societal tolerance seen as weakness and exploited.
  • [45:22] Bill Federer: “In Islam, they have a concept—when your enemy is strong, retreat. When your enemy is weak, attack. Their word for 'hudna' means you make a treaty until you’re strong enough to break it.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Religious-Political Conflation:
  • Frank Gaffney [23:53]: “Islam is not just a religion because Muhammad was not just a religious leader, he was a political and a military leader.”
• On the Consequences of Ignoring History:
  • Frank Gaffney [31:33]: “…they are now intent on forcing us to submit to that and much more. … It’s all legitimated by Muhammad’s example and the teachings of the Quran that he espoused. No?”
• On Demographic Transformation:
  • Bill Federer [41:44]: “Western Europe has gone from Judeo Christian to secular gay to Islamic. … by 2050, there will be a majority Muslim population in Europe. They’ll just vote in Sharia law.”
• On the Dilemma for the West:
  • Bill Federer [34:08]: “The dilemma for the West is, the nicer we show ourselves, the fundamental Muslims view that niceness as weakness and they take that as an invitation to attack.”
• On Political Mistakes:
  • Frank Gaffney [39:08]: “What we have continued to see is unfortunately, Western leaders repeating some of these mistakes by aligning themselves with the jihadis, not with those good Muslims…”

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Key Segment Timestamps

• [04:27–08:41] Origins, oral tradition, and syncretic influences on Islam
• [11:44–18:15] Pagan roots of Mecca, scriptural inspiration, and the early political/religious landscape
• [21:12–23:19] Early Muslim conquests; the “immigrate, increase, eliminate” model
• [23:53–28:46] Islam as a socio-political system; abrogation and militant verses
• [29:41–34:08] Shifts in religious/political dominance from early Christian lands to Islamic rule
• [34:08–39:08] Modern cycles of Islamic moderation/radicalism; U.S. and Iran, Cold War errors
• [41:44–46:17] Demographic change, immigration, the proliferation of mosques in America
• [45:22–46:43] Theological doctrine of treaties, tactical patience, and strategic manipulation

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Tone & Style

The episode is delivered in a didactic, polemical style. Both Gaffney and Federer use vivid historical analogies, references to classic works, and unapologetically frame their analysis of Islam as a warning to Western audiences. They link past events to present-day policies, repeatedly cautioning against naivety and advocating vigilance.

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Summary Takeaway

Securing America with Frank Gaffney episode of January 24, 2026, argues for critical scrutiny of Islam’s religious, political, and military history. Bill Federer, drawing from historical analyses and scriptural discussion, contends that ignoring the totalitarian and expansionist nature of classic Islamic ideology—rooted in Muhammad’s example—has dire implications for modern Western societies. The episode strongly warns against misinterpreting Islam as solely a religion protected by the First Amendment, instead asserting its broader ambitions and capacity to subvert societal freedoms from within.

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For listeners seeking an alternative viewpoint on current issues of national security, religion, and cultural change, this episode provides a comprehensive—though highly critical and controversial—overview of the role Islam has played and continues to play in world history and American society.

Transcript

[A]

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.

[B]

Foreign. Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afney. The program that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the glory of God and his kingdom. A man I consider to be one of the glories of God is with us, I'm very pleased to say for this full hour. His name is Bill Fisher Federer. He is one of our times most extraordinary, certainly prolific authors on matters involving history. And I'm not sure there's an aspect of history which is a pretty big tableau that he hasn't painted a bit on and done so with extraordinary clarity and good humor, but also with the truth telling that our times desperately require. And I want to commend you in particular a book that he has written. Well, something on the order of, I guess, 13 years or so ago. Nope, not quite. My math isn't very good, but it's a long time ago, 2007, in which he is laying out what every American should know about the Quran and a history of Islam in the United States. This is just one of again, the subjects on which Bill Federer is so accomplished. I had the privilege of hearing Bill Federer describing in the space of, I don't know, seven or maybe 10 minutes, the history of the Quran, basically the life of Muhammad forward and doing so in a way that, as is generally the case in his presentations, crammed an immense amount of information and history into a very short but very comprehensible treatment. And the takeaway of it unmistakably was from the dates in which Muhammad became a well at brigand, among other things, a warrior, a warlord, a power broker and ultimately a conqueror in the city of Medina. On the faith or the political ideology I think more accurately that he founded has been totalitarian, demonic and anti constitutional with respect to our republic. And we lose sight of that. We fail to acknowledge it, and more importantly, we fail to act on that reality at our extreme peril. We're grateful to Bill Federer for all of these insights and we're going to explore them in the course of this full program. And I couldn't be more pleased to have him with us. Bill, welcome back to Securing America, my friend. Great to have you.

[A]

Well Frank, great to be with you.

[B]

I wanted to start with this. Lay down that you did and give our audience a flavor of the Quran and its totalitarian ideology and why, when we are told this is simply a religion and therefore must be protected by our Constitution's first Amendment, well, it ain't necessarily so.

[A]

Yeah, well it's important to get the background. And prior to Muhammad you had the Byzantine Roman Empire which was Christian fighting the Persian Sassanid Empire which was Zoroastrian. And they beat each other up and left a power vacuum. And into that vacuum came Islam. And so Muhammad was born in 570 A.D. his father dies before he's born. His mother dies when he's six. His grandfather and guardian dies when he's eight. He's orphaned, taken in by an uncle, Abu Talib, who's a merchant who takes Muhammad on camel rides and they go to different.

[B]

Could I just interrupt you for one second, Bill? There are those who say he never existed. You've just laid out several indications that he did. Are you satisfied that there was such a man and that he had these aspects to his early life?

[A]

Well, this is the accepted history, but I have to admit that Muhammad and all of his original followers for that first century were illiterate and they could never write anything down. It wasn't until Jews and Christians were later forced to convert. They were the people of the book that you began to see Quran verses written down. And so the first century and a half or two centuries of Islam, there's not very many records. It was an oral society, tribal gangs in the desert. So it is quite possible that he did not exist. These were oral stories passed down. A matter of fact, it was not until Khalif Uthman that the Quran was compiled and he decided to take all these. He was about the fourth Khalif after Muhammad. A Khalif is the supreme leader and you had Muhammad and then you had Abu Bakr who was the first Khalif that fought in every one of Muhammad's battles. And so he knew the way. And then you had Khalif Umar, Khalif Uthman, Khalif Ali, Khalif Muaya. And they were all murdered and they were all father in laws and in Ali's case a son in law of Muhammad. And it was infighting, it was like a family feud, sort of like the Cosa Nostra the, and, and so. But they were all illiterate. People say, well how can somebody that's illiterate memorize all these verses? Well, in Arabic they had a little rhyme to them very similar to rap music. So maybe there's a student that can't read, but they memorize rap songs. Thomas Carlisle wrote in 1840 on Heroes and hero worship. He says much of it is rhythmic, a kind of wild chanting. So the evidence of Muhammad existing is very Scarce. But to the Muslims today.

[B]

Pick up your narrative though because there is a tradition that helps explain much of what goes on in Islam today.

[A]

Right to the. There's a quote I have in my book. It says any Muslim scholars definition of what true Islam is is one thing. But Islam on the street is something completely different. So in other words the common person in many of these Muslim countries they could really care less if Muhammad existed or not. To them it is a present day reality. It would be similar to me proving that Romulus and Remus never really existed to found the Roman Empire. Well Rome at its height could really care less if it was real or not or mythological. They're not going to give up power and so the, the, the fundamentals are.

[B]

Going to wield it. And that's what of course Islam is all about, wielding power. So pick up the story in, in Mecca where Muhammad I guess first came to public attention according to the Prophet. Right.

[A]

So according to the classic accepted history Muhammad was working for his uncle Abu Talib and they were merchants and would go on camel rides to different cities and hear about different religions. So a popular religion a century before Muhammad was Manichaeism. A guy named Manny combined a little bit from different religions. From his point of view he was extracting the truth from these different religions. But a follower of Manichaeism was St. Augustine until he met the guy, realized he didn't know what he's talking about and spent the rest of his life debunking Manichaeism. But Muhammad heard about this idea that maybe there's little bits of truth in different and all the different religions. And so Muhammad went to Persian cities that were Zoroastrian and the Persians believed that paradise was filled full of virgins that would fulfill all the guys desires. And that found its way into Muhammad's belief system.

[B]

It certainly did. We're going to talk about how it played into among other things Jihad in just a moment with more with Bill Federer. Stay tuned. Welcome back. Bill Federer, one of our times great historians and great storytellers is with us. We're talking about the Quran, what every American needs to know about it and how the history of Islam and the United States have formed over the years. Bill, you were giving us the short course on the history of Muhammad as it has been passed down through oral tradition and written word. Pick up this thought that Muhammad was sort of picking up around the known world at the time that he traveled to elements of religions and fashioned his own out of them.

[A]

Right. So the Zoroastrians also believed in jinns or genies and this appears in Islam as 1001 Arabian Nights and Aladdin's lamp type stuff. The Sabaeans from the Yemen area they would take an annual pilgrimage to Mecca and walk around the Kaaba which I'll tell you about and they would stone Satan, they would cut off hands of thieves and a lot of those practices got incorporated into Islam.

[B]

So in Mecca there was a Kaaba before there was Islam, is that right?

[A]

Correct. So for centuries pre Mohammed there was a square building in Mecca that housed 360 different pagan gods. The most popular was Hubal, the moon God. And they had a rock they thought had fallen from the moon. It's a glass impact rock where a meteor hit the hot desert sands, melted into this brown glass and these pagans would kiss it, walk around and bow to it for centuries pre Mohammed, Muhammad kissed that rock and it got incorporated into into his belief system. Then there is the Jewish faith and some stories from the Talmud and Mishnah are reflected in Islam. He originally had his followers bowing toward Jerusalem. And then there's the.

[B]

And Abraham figures rather prominently in some of this. Right?

[A]

Correct. And Ishmael and Esau and in the Christian faith. So even Encyclopedia Britannica says the gospel was made known to Muhammad through apocryphal and heretical sources. So Muhammad thought the Trinity was the father, Mary and Jesus. Nobody explained to him the Holy Spirit in the cabal was a statue of Mary and baby Jesus. And a century or so before this at the Council of Constantinople they gave Mary the title of Theotokos, Mother of God. And so he was seeing this in the Kaaba. And but the apocryphal what's that? Well the infancy Gospel of Thomas written several centuries after Jesus by someone who knew nothing of Jewish life. It would by you talking about Abraham Lincoln living in China. It's like nobody takes the infancy Gospel of Thomas series. Little Harry Potter type stories of Jesus making clay birds and clapping and they flew away and raised a playmate from the dead. And some of those stories got incorporated into Islam and they take them as fact. There's no other place in ancient history that these stories appear other than this infancy gospel that nobody takes serious. But now it's the crown, they take it as fact. So we can identify the pre Muhammad beliefs reflected in Islam. Muhammad goes into Mecca 610 A.D. well an important part before this he is a movement was sweeping through Christianity at the time called pietism or monasticism where if you really become a Christian you should live in a cave as a hermit. And so Muhammad and the Arab Egypt they call them desert fathers. But Muhammad goes into a cave and prays and a spirit appears to him and squeezes him and commands him to read. And he said I cannot read. Squeezed him a second time, said read he said I cannot squeeze him a third time. And then it sat on him and he began to recite and that's how the Quran came to him. He goes to his wife Khadijah according to Ibn Ishaq and tells her that he thinks he's demon possessed. And she decides to test the visitant this spirit and has Muhammad sit on her right thigh and says can you see it? And he goes yes, over there and she has him sit on her left thigh, can you see it? Yes, over there she has him sit on her her lap and then she begins to disclose her form and reveal take off some of her veils and says can you see the spirit? And he said no. And she said well it must have been from God because it was embarrassed to look upon me without all my veils on. That was the test that Muhammad used to decide whether this spirit appearing to him was from God or not. Now according to 1st John 4 it gives a test every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus as the crisis of antichrist. Well she Khadijah takes Muhammad to her cousin who's an ebionite Christian priest which is a heretical section that said Jesus is less than God and he suggests that maybe the spirit is the one that appeared to Moses. He dies and so Muhammad is left with this spirit and then in 610 A.D. he goes into Mecca and he anticipates that everybody's going to join because there's something in it for everyone when they don't. It's interesting one of the cities Muhammad wanted to get follow him they worshiped the three daughter gods. These were stars like you know, Orion. And so the he gets verses from the three daughter gods and when the town refuses to follow Muhammad he wipes out the town and his followers say well what about the verses you got from those daughter gods? And he goes those are from Satan. But anyway so he's in Mecca, so they're called Satanic verses. So Muhammad's in Mecca and when the people don't join him as he anticipated he gets confrontational and insults them and tells them that their ancestors are burning in hell and so they decide to chase him out of town. 619 A.D. he tries going to a city called Altai. They don't want him, they pelt him with rocks and stones. And then in 622 A.D. he goes north to the Jewish city, Medina Yatrib. Three Jewish clans control the city and they're tolerant. They let Muhammad in. As the first Muslim immigrant, he presents.

[B]

This process of migrating came to be known as the hijra. Is that right?

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

And that features rather prominently in further immigration.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, very important. So 622 AD is considered the year one in the Arabic calendar. So the Jews reject his faith. So he changes the direction of bowing from Jerusalem to Mecca and he goes into the minority neighborhoods and he begins to organize a following. And as his following gets bigger, he gets involved in politics, sort of like a community organizer. And he pressures the Jews, the three Jewish clans, to accommodate him and his new followers politically. They do and make a treaty. Now Muhammad's a political leader in addition to being a religious leader. When his followers in Mecca get confrontational and get chased out of town, now there's lots of Muslim immigrants. They come to Medina and Muhammad allows them to rob the caravans headed to Mecca in retaliation for the Meccans chasing them out of town. So where Jesus said, if they take your coat, give them your shirt, his attitude was, if they take your house, you retaliate. Take their caravan, you're the victim. And so it came up with this concept of victimhood that, that we're the victims of their intolerance, therefore we're justified in attacking their caravans. And so he gets pretty appealing to.

[B]

A guy who's seeking recruits to his program. Right. This is a way to spread booty around and everybody can prosper. Booty in the form of, you know, whatever goods were being moved by the caravans, but also people who would be put into slavery and women, you know, seized and the like. Is that right?

[A]

Yeah. Well, he gets verses from his Alamo on how to distribute the booty. And one of the verses says, allah has given you the slave girls as your booty. It's Surah 3350, Prophet. We've made lawful to you the slave girls, who all has given you his booty. Surah 8. 41. Whatever you take as spoils of war, lo a fifth thereof is for Allah and for the Messenger. So Muhammad got a fifth of the booty from robbing the caravans. The Hadith Malik Muada says, when Allah's messenger sent out a raiding party, he would say, make your raids in the name of Allah. Fight whoever denies Allah, do not steal from the booty. So from the very beginning there was this treasure aspect. And the Meccans send a thousand soldiers to escort and protect their caravan and Muhammad defeats them with only 300 warriors at the Battle of Badra in 624 AD this amazing victory, having been outnumbered.

[B]

The Battle of Badra is a big deal folks and we're going to explore why as it relates to the kind of fight that we're in right now with these jihadis and the danger that they pose to, well, our way of life here in the United States of course, but Western civilization as well. Stay tuned for more with the great historian Bill Federer right after this.

[A]

Welcome back.

[B]

We are getting a short course in the history of Islam dating from Muhammad's time. And the reason it is so important to understand the founder of this program, I think of it as a totalitarian political ideology rather than a religion, is that the perfect man, as we're told, Muhammad, the Prophet is, is a pretty well flawed individual if not downright demonic. Bill, you got us up to the Battle of Badra, tell tell us through that and where we go next in Muhammad's right.

[A]

So Muhammad with 300 defeats a thousand. This convinces him to be a military leader and he fights in 66 battles and raids in the next eight years before he dies killing an estimated 3,000 people. The battle of a Hood Exposed Expulsion of Banu Nadir. The attack on the Banu Mystalic. The Battle of the trench. 627 A.D. the Meccans send 10,000 soldiers to Medina. Muhammad digs trenches and potholes all around the city which renders the superior cavalry of the Meccans useless. You can't charge your horses and camels across a field full of potholes, they'll break their legs. Muhammad goes to some of the Meccans at night, bribes them, they slip away, goes to some of the other Meccans at night, threatens them, they slip away. Sort of the bribe or the bullet gets freezing cold for a week. The rest of the Meccans lose heart and retreat. And he takes this as a victory, that his enemies were cowards. And he goes back into the Jewish city of Medina, gets offended at one of the Jewish tribes, confiscates their property, chases them out of town. The other two tribes keep their heads low. They're sort of political parties that don't get along. And now there's only two Jewish tribes. He gets offended at the second one, confiscates their property, chases them out of town and the big Jewish tribe says, well there were always competition for me. Now there's only one Jewish tribe and according to the Hadith he's taking a bath, a spirit appears to him, says how can you rest when all his enemies are in your midst as where pointed that last Jewish neighborhood bottles him in their neighborhood for 28 days. When they surrender, he brings them into the market, chops off their head six or seven hundred, sells the women and children into slavery. So within five years of Muhammad coming into the Jewish city of Medina as an immigrant, there's not a Jew left in the city of Medina. They were chased out, killed or enslaved. And so it's a three step process, immigrate, increase, eliminate, immigrate as a religious refugee into a host community and then gather a following and get involved in politics. And then you have random outbreaks of violence that makes the previous inhabitants of the neighborhood no longer feel safe and they move out and you take over the neighborhood. And there's a 1400 year track record of watching this happen. And so to put a fine point.

[B]

On it, Bill, that pattern is being practiced today. And you're saying that there's a long tradition, there are folks engaged in this three step process of immigrate, increase and eliminate are following the model of the perfect man. They're doing precisely what Muhammad in his life did. And therefore we must expect some of the other things that came from that life to follow as well, should we not?

[A]

Right. So there's freedom for all religions in America, but Islam is not just a religion because Muhammad was not just a religious leader, he was a political and a military leader. So it's rpm, religious, political, military. And we faced this during the Cold War where Eisenhower said no group can use the Bill of Rights as a privileged sanctuary from which to destroy the Bill of Rights. In other words, you can't say oh we want freedom of speech when your goal is to not allow freedom of speech. And so Islam, wherever it comes in, wants to take advantage of the freedoms, but once they get in control, they do not allow those freedoms. Yes, now, now a particularly effective technique.

[B]

In societies like ours, is it not?

[A]

And it's interesting. When Muhammad was conquering Al Taif, he was using a catapult that was hurling rocks and killing innocent women and children. And when they told Muhammad, his response was they are among them, so they got to be killed too. So it's okay to kill innocent women and children to advance Islam because Muhammad did. And so Muhammad, then he gets lots of verses from his Allah. You know, his youngest, he had a dream two nights in a row of him marrying the six year old daughter of his general Abu Bakr and consummates it when she's nine. The within five years of Muhammad's death, every pre existing culture in Arabia is wiped out. Now, there's two sets of verses in the Quran. The Quran is laid out by length of verse. So the first chapter is the longest and the last is the shortest. If we would have done this with the Bible, the first chapter would be Psalms 119 and the last verse might be Jesus wept or something. And so it's not laid out chronological.

[B]

But I've always wanted to ask you this question. I find that that makes almost incomprehensible the book and at a minimum, it makes indecipherable the trajectory of Muhammad's life, which helps if you understand it, to explicate in just the ways you're talking about how he evolved from a relatively peaceful chap to a brutal warrior, torturer, enslaver, you know, murderer and so on.

[A]

Yeah, well that's actually intentional because it forces the Muslim to go to the Imam and say, explain this to me. And now the Imam's in charge and. And so it's the local imam that decides. So what Muhammad permitted is permitted. It is called halal. What Muhammad did not permit is not permitted. It is called haram. So Muhammad liked cats. Cats are halal. They are permitted. Muhammad did not like dogs. They are haram. They are not permitted. So Islam is a long list of halals and harams. What's permitted, what's not. Well, I want to know why is that haram? I'm sorry, you can't ask that question. But I really want to know why is it haram? If you ask again, we'll kill you. It's considered doubt to want to question, so you just obey. It is a religion of do's and don'ts and you don't know why. And it's the local imam that keeps the list. And so.

[B]

Well, again, I would argue, Bill, it's less a religion as you've just described it than it is a complete way of life, which is how they describe Sharia, meaning all those things you're not allowed to do, meaning all those things you must do, meaning all of them in the service of what Muhammad's life ultimately became about, did it not? Which was global rule to the extent he could accomplish it in his time.

[A]

Right. Even Alexis de Tocqueville made that observation. He said Muhammad put into the crown not religious doctrines only, but political maxims, criminal and civil laws. So even the Tocqueville said it's not just a religion, it's a Political system and a military system. And so as a political military system, Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson wrote in 1955, he says the law of the Middle east is the antithesis of Western law. So in Western law we punished the rapist. In Islamic law they punished the woman who's a victim of rape because she allowed herself to be used as a tool of Satan to tempt the man and therefore she gets whipped a hundred times. So we punish the perpetrator, they punish the victim. Now there's two sets of verses in the Quran based on the two cities Muhammad lived in. This is important. In Mecca he was just a religious leader. Those verses are more moderate. In Medina he becomes political, military. And those verses are more political and military. And the later verses supersede the earlier verses. And if in other words, the last.

[B]

Example, they are actually abrogated, meaning they have been replaced. So when for example, Bill, there's a text that is widely used, as I understand it, in comparative religion courses in this country or Introduction to religion courses called the Quran, the early verses, meaning that it just focuses on that relatively benign period and the things that replace those verses are not studied, are not taught, are not exposed to the student, and in many cases contribute to essentially the enlisting of them into the faith before they understand the full package. Is that fair?

[A]

Right. So the verses Muhammad got in Mecca are called weak verses and they're superseded by the verses he got in Medina. They're called strong verses. By way of comparison, the Bible, we have an Old Testament with some violence, New Testament, no violence. Jesus and the apostles didn't kill anyone. And what do we say the later example is the one we're going to try to follow. It's the same way in Islam, only in reverse. Their people verses came first, they're superseded by the political militant verses that came later. And, and so within five years of Muhammad's death, every pre existing culture in Arabia is wiped out. And then we begin to see Christianity. So Egypt was Christian for six centuries, evangelized by Mark that wrote the Gospel, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, until Amir ibn Alas invades around 641. And Syria was completely Christian for six centuries, evangelized by the Apostle Paul until Khalif umar conquers around 648. Sort of interesting when you examine this. Egypt had Coptic Christians, which is the Egyptian word for Egyptian, it's called Coptic. And it's being persecuted by the Byzantine Christians of Rome. The Constantinople and the Muslim warriors come in offering to help the Coptics drive out the Byzantines. And once they do. They stay, and then they take over. So they took advantage of the political differences the same way the three Jewish clans in Medina didn't get along. If Muhammad would have said, in five years there won't be a Jew left, they'd have made up with each other. But he picks like a pinball. They'll use one party, then they'll use another party, then they'll use it. But they're always being pulled down to what will advance the Islamic cause. And so hold that thought, Bill, because.

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That'S a perfect place at which we need to break and pivot into where we find ourselves today, at the hands of those who are emulating Muhammad in all of the demonic ways that he practiced his program and that they are now intent on forcing us to submit to that and much more. With historian Bill Federer right after this. We're visiting with Bill Federer, fantastically impressive historian of many, many subjects. But we're talking about one of specific concern at the moment, and that is what the history of Islam from Muhammad's time to the present teaches us about what his adherents, those who believe in emulating him in every way and following what has come to be known as sharia, the ideology of Islam, to the letter imply for our country and the rest of Western civilization. And, Bill, you've. You've described, in ways that are frankly chilling the various types of behavior that Muhammad exhibited that are now part and parcel of the practice of Islam. The practice specifically of sharia, whether it is, you know, beheading your enemies or amputating the, you know, appendages of thieves, or whether it is brutalizing women, child marriage, rape, slavery, torture, brigandry, you name it. It's all legitimated by Muhammad's example and the teachings of the Quran that he espoused. No?

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Well, the word Islam means submission to the will of Allah. A Muslim is one who has submitted. And they think there will be world peace when the whole world submits to the will of Allah. So it is a religion of peace. It's just their definition of the word peace is different than our definition. Our definition of peace is different groups getting along. Their definition of peace is world Islam. Sort of like Lincoln during the Civil War gave a quote, we all declare for liberty, but in using the same word, we do not all mean the same thing. When the south says liberty, it's kicking the Northern troops out. When the north says liberty, it's free and the slave. So the world in Islam is divided in two. The half that has submitted and the half that's in the process of submitting. It's called the Dar al Islam and the Dar al Harb, the House of War. Now, what about moderate Muslims? Most Muslims are moderate. Moderate Muslims believe the world is going to submit to Allah later, maybe in the distant future, maybe at the end of the world, and maybe it's even figurative. And since it's so far off, they really don't think about it and they just want to live their lives and they're happy to have you as a friend or a family member. The fundamental Muslims, they think the world is supposed to submit to Allah now, and they're really excited and they want to help make it happen. The dilemma for the west is the nicer we show ourselves. The fundamental Muslims view that niceness as weakness and they take that as an invitation to attack. And so throughout history, whenever the west, the non Muslim world, has won major battles. Battle of Malta, 1565. Battle of Lepanto, 1571. Battle of Vienna, 1683. Whenever the west wins battles, the Muslims would go back and become moderate for a few generations. But then they would begin to do probing attacks. And if there was no strong response, they would all move back into the aggressive mode. And so throughout history, when World War I ends, the. The Muslim world saw their Ottoman Empire gone, and so they became moderate. And you had a moderate leader named Ataturk in Turkey and he wanted to secularize his country. He says Muhammadism is nothing more than Arab politics. You had in 1925, Raza Shaw in Iran, and he was a moderate leader, wanted to have women get educated and wanted them to be able to wear fashions and so forth. You had a moderate leader in Afghanistan with the king. You had Abdullah in Jordan, who was moderate and Fazel in Iraq. And. And then you had 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood get started and they would target moderate leaders and assassinate them like they assassinated Abdullah and they tried assassinating Ataturk and they did assassinate on war Sadat. And. And so these Muslim leaders would be sitting on a fence. We want to be more Western, but we don't want to get assassinated. Then you know, Iran is in the news. The Shah Reza Shah took office in 1925 and he was moderate, but when World War II started, he did not drive out the Germans. And so Britain and the Soviet Union joined together to have a coup and get rid of this tolerant Shaw and replace him with Mazdaq and Mazaddec during the Cold War, decides to nationalize the oil industry in Iran. And the problem was in 1908, Britain and Iran formed the Anglo Iranian Oil Company, better known as BP. And in 1953, when Mazdaq nationalizes it, Britain's having an oil shortage. And so they appeal to eisenhower and his CIA director, Alan Dulles, who sends over Kermit Roosevelt Jr. The grandson of Teddy Roosevelt. And he organizes a coup and they get rid of Mazdek and replace him with the Shaw's son, Reza Pahlavi. And he loves America. He was in there for 37 years. He had the Cadillac Seville being manufactured in Iran. They had the fastest growing economy in the world. He dressed in business suits and wanted to be. But Jimmy Carter. The BDC actually released the correspondence between Jimmy Carter and the Ayatollah, who was exiled for 15 years in Turkey and in France. And Jimmy Carter helped usher in the Ayatollah and pressured the Shah to come to America, to California for an extended vacation, and then abandoned the military. Khomeini came in, took all the Iranian generals to the top of a high school and executed them, and then held the US hostages for 444 days. Thank you, Jimmy Carter.

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Yeah. For one of the great strategic errors of all time. And Bill, just to, you know, sort of bring this up to the minute, what we have continued to see is unfortunately, Western leaders repeating some of these mistakes by aligning themselves with the jihadis, not with those good Muslims, as we would call them. Certainly they're considered apostates by the authorities of the faith. So it's not a winning team at the moment, for sure. We're going to talk more about all of this and what it means. For example, the state of Texas right after this. Foreign. Welcome back to this final installment of today's very, very helpful history lesson about the nature of Islam. From its very foundation by the Prophet Muhammad, the bizarre story of this program as it has evolved, and not least the very demonic character of many aspects of what I think is truly, at the end of the day, a political and indeed totalitarian ideology with a bit of a routine religious patina on it, to be sure. Bill Federer, you've brought us to the point where we've seen American leaders, notably President Jimmy Carter, making an epic mistake in thinking that appeasing and empowering Sharia supremacists like the Ayatollah Khomeini would benefit the United States and obviously the people involved, the Iranian people. In that case, I think it's fair to say that both in that instance and more generally, the practice has shown to be a disaster. Where do we find ourselves at the moment, as you see it, given all of this history.

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Yeah. So drive neutral. Reverse. Western Europe has gone from Judeo Christian to secular gay to Islamic. Lo and behold, the whole trans agenda is simply a transition phase. It's a creative way to cut ties with the Judeo Christian past, but it's quickly taken over by the Islamic future. And so the whole idea of tolerance, we're going to tolerate everybody. And so they let in Islamists and into Europe as immigrants. And where the Europeans are having maybe one child per family, the Muslim man can have four wives. He tells them to go down to the welfare office and say the husband's not around, and they get welfare checks, and he visits the wives, and the more kids they have, the larger the welfare checks get. And he's living like a prince with his harem. And it's a social stigma for a Muslim woman to have less than five kids. And so by 2050, there will be a majority Muslim population in Europe. They'll just vote in Sharia law. And then in Canada, I was in Buffalo, New York, and during the Obama Biden years, they brought in hundreds of thousands of Muslims into Buffalo, New York, and they would simply go up to the poor neighborhoods and walk into a poor person's house and say, we'll pay you cash for this house. They buy up entire neighborhoods, and then they buy churches. So the Polish National Cathedral in Buffalo is now a mosque and all these. The Queen Mary of the Rosary Church is now a mosque. And and so we see this. In the last two years, 70 mosques have opened in the Dallas Fort Worth area, Texas, California. Those are some of the biggest states for Islamic immigration. Taking advantage of the freedoms to move in and then want to set up communities. I was actually in Irving, Texas, and they wanted to build their first mosque, and the builders said no, they double the price. The builders say no, they triple the price. The builders say, oh, we can't say no. You know, it's interesting. The first mosque in America was in Detroit. It was Henry Ford who was bothered by unions, and he's traveling the world looking for another source of rubber. And he's over in the Middle east. And a Yemeni, a person puts his luggage on the boat, and he says, you're doing a good job. If you show up in Detroit, I'll pay you $5 a day. Word spreads, and you have this large Islamic immigration into Detroit. And the first generation of them, they're hard workers and they're breaking unions. They're not joining, but their younger generation is now becoming radicalized, and then they're beginning to follow that model and build mosques all around the the country and, and with population, with Obama, Keith Ellison in Minnesota bringing in large numbers of them. And to.

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And then let me just ask a clarification, Bill, because you said these young people are being radicalized, is it not actually the case that they're simply embracing the authentic traditions of Muhammad and of sharia? And yes, it's, it's a radical program, there's no question about that. It's a, well, I call it a demonic program for that matter. Toxic program, certainly at a constitutional program. But it isn't correct to suggest, is it, that it's somehow different from Islam? It's the core practice of the faith, is it not?

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Right now do want to mention Surah 572 which says if you believe that Jesus is the messiah, you are going to hell. So you cannot be any more antichrist than by saying if you believe in Christ, you go to hell. So if there ever was a religion of antichrist, it fits the bill. So when you look at this immigration in nature, you have domestic species and invasive species, and Christianity is more of a domestic species. Love your enemies, bless them that curse you. And Islam is more invasive. It comes in taking advantage of the tolerance, but then it eventually crowds out the previous inhabitants. So in Islam they have a concept. When your enemy is strong, retreat. When your enemy is weak, attack. Their, their word for hudna means you make a treaty until you're strong enough to break it. And so When World War I, Bill.

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I think it's correct to say that there is in the pantheon of enemies none that are more derided and contemptuously dealt with by muslims than those that are powerful and yet behave in a weak manner.

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Is that right? Yeah. And, and then there's the red green alliance that you teach on so well that the globalists are happy to work together with the muslims to destabilize western civilization so that they can set up their one world government. But yeah, after World War I, when the Ottoman empire fell, you had Muslim leaders wanted to be moderate. But then you had Eisenhower pressuring the jews to give up the Sinai peninsula after they had taken it in the 1950s. And then you had Reagan. I loved him. But when he. When the muslims blew up the u. S. Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983 and killed 204 U. S. Marines, his response was to leave. And then you had Jimmy Carter abandoning the shah. And then during the Soviet Afghan war, you had our US Arming and training the Taliban to fight the soviet. And then.

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We are out of time. There's so much more to cover and so much more that we want to plumb with you. And I so appreciate your time today. Come back soon with much more, if you would. Thanks to all of you for joining us as well. I hope you'll do so again next time. Until then, go forth and multiply.

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