SECURING AMERICA WITH FRANK GAFFNEY - MAY 16th, 2026

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Securing America with Frank Gaffney – May 16th, 2026

Guest: Xi Van Fleet Episode Theme: How the U.S. Enabled Communist China and Today's Threats from Within

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Overview

In this powerful, in-depth episode of Securing America, host Frank Gaffney is joined for a full hour by Xi Van Fleet, survivor of Mao’s Cultural Revolution, outspoken critic of communism, and author of the new book Made in America: The Hidden History of How the US Enabled Communist China and Created Our Greatest Threat. Drawing heavily from her harrowing experiences in Maoist China and her journey to America, Xi warns of the deep and ongoing infiltration of Marxist and communist ideology within the U.S., connecting historic American policy missteps to today’s cultural and political crises.

Through firsthand accounts, historical analysis, and incisive commentary, the conversation explores how the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) became such a serious threat, the role of captured American elites in its rise, and what must be done to save American values and sovereignty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Background: Xi Van Fleet’s Story

[03:35 - 09:21]

• Xi recounts her youth in Mao's China, living through the Cultural Revolution, being banished to the countryside for years of “re-education” via hard manual labor in conditions she likens to “gulags.”
• She highlights the system’s deliberate destruction of traditional Chinese society and “clan” loyalties, replaced with loyalty to the Communist Party.
• Quotes a pivotal realization: “Communism is here. And I just want to not fight for Communism, fight against Communism. And I don't know anybody who does a better job of it than you.” – Frank Gaffney [08:27]
• Xi describes witnessing and surviving a period where “up to 80 million” perished, with “up to 20 million” during the Cultural Revolution alone.

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Communism’s Playbook: People vs. People

[09:45 - 12:06]

• Xi explains how Marxist regimes weaponize social division, turning neighbor against neighbor—often using children to betray their own families.
• “It's not really the government come and get you, it's your neighbor... your colleague... your students... That is what's happening. That's why it applies so much to America.” – Xi Van Fleet [10:46]

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The Targeting of the Family

[16:40 - 20:40]

• Xi details how both Maoist China and Marxists in America aim to redirect loyalty away from family and toward the party or state, but that U.S. Marxists have gone further by physically dismantling the family structure.
• “In China... the kids were taught that your real parents were the party and our real father was Chairman Mao. ... The Marxists in America went one step further. They actually physically destroyed the American family...” – Xi Van Fleet [17:46]
• Cites the Great Society’s welfare policies and modern gender/transgender ideology as examples of this destruction.

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Parallels: Cultural Marxism in Today’s America

[20:40 - 24:07]

• Discussion about the persistence of DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) and radical curricula in U.S. public schools.
• Xi warns against complacency, especially among conservatives who believe the problem is easily solved: “This is not something you can just get rid of overnight. This is something that has been in the making for the past century.” [22:18]
• She gives examples of current historical revisionism, such as teaching that America’s democracy was learned from Native Americans.

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The CCP’s Origins and Deep American Involvement

[29:46 - 39:44]

• “The focus is on CCP and its history… how it came into being, how it grew into a threat to America or the entire world as we see it today.” – Xi Van Fleet [30:53]
• Xi asserts, “It was always the intention of the Chinese Communist Party to be a threat to America. It’s absolutely baked into the DNA of the ccp because the CCP was funded by the Soviet Union and by the Communist Russians… they have three arch enemies: capitalism, Christianity and United States.”
• Explores how American intellectuals and journalists (notably Edgar Snow and his book Red Star Over China) glamorized and enabled the CCP, shaping both American and Chinese perceptions.
• “He compared Mao as a Christ-like figure, compared the communists as early Christians... That book alone, I credit as how the CCP became what it is today.” – Xi Van Fleet [36:46]
• Identifies the role of “captured elites,” individuals in academia, journalism, business, and government who advocated for and supported the CCP.

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The Role of Wall Street & Ongoing Elite Complicity

[44:30 - 49:06]

• Gaffney points to recent major U.S. investments in Chinese military-linked corporations as modern examples of elite betrayal.
• Xi is blunt: “Wall street is one of the worst. I think decades later, we will read this as the same people who aided Nazi during World War II... they are really, really the enemy within.” [46:01]
• She connects this widespread complicity to all levels of society—even parents and school principals who now conflate talking about communism with being culturally insensitive.

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Cultural Capture & The Woke Phenomenon

[49:06 - 51:51]

• Xi examines how American institutions, from schools to seminaries to government, have been “captured” by Marxist ideology.
• “They are communists. So they took over most of our education, most of our institutions... Just look at what they stand for, what they push. Same thing. Exact the same thing.” – Xi Van Fleet [51:25]
• Connects the dots between “woke,” DEI, CRT, and all current iterations of Marxism in America.

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Prescriptions: How to Fight Back

[53:40 - End]

• Xi’s advice: Start with deep understanding and education. Americans must learn the true history of communism and the U.S.—and the direct lines connecting them—if they are to recognize and fight the enemy within.
• “Cultural Marxism, woke, Communism, CCP and DEI, CRT... the connection is just one. They are all Communism. They are all the same thing, different names.” – Xi Van Fleet [53:40]
• She stresses the need to teach “real history” to young Americans so they will love and defend their country: “If you don't love your country, you're not going to fight to save it... We need to teach our young children about the extraordinary history of this country, why this country draw people like me to escape communism, come here for freedom and what it means.” [57:20]
• Gaffney adds the necessity of “exposing and appropriately punishing the traitors who are actively serving the Chinese,” emphasizing both public accountability and legal action.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the People-vs-People Playbook:
  “During the Cultural Revolution... it's your neighbor who came to get you, it's your colleague who came to get you, it's your students come to get you, it's your children come to get you. ... That is what's happening. That's why it applies so much to America.” – Xi Van Fleet [10:46]

• On Destruction of the Family:
  “In China...we listened to Chairman Mao. If Chairman Mao said that your parents are enemy, we turn against our parents. ... The Marxists in America went one step further. They actually physically destroyed the American family.” – Xi Van Fleet [17:46]

• On Captured Elites:
  “Wall street is one of the worst. I think decades later we will read this as the same people who aided Nazi during World War II, and they are really, really the enemy within.” – Xi Van Fleet [46:01]

• On Woke and Marxism:
  “Cultural Marxism, woke, Communism, CCP and DEI, CRT... the connection is just one. They are all Communism. They are all the same thing, different names.” – Xi Van Fleet [53:40]

• On What Must Be Done:
  “To win the war, we have to relearn the real history of America. Learn to love it. And if you don't love your country, you're not going to fight to save it.” – Xi Van Fleet [57:20]

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Section | Highlight | |-----------|---------------------------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:35 | Introduction to Xi Van Fleet | Xi’s early life and survival in Maoist China | | 09:45 | Death Toll of Communism in China | Discussion of the millions killed under Mao | | 10:46 | People-vs-People Marxist Tactics | How the regime weaponizes ordinary citizens | | 17:46 | Destruction of the Family | Connection between CCP & U.S. cultural Marxist strategies | | 22:18 | Cultural Marxism in American Schools | Persisting influence despite conservative pushback | | 30:53 | Origins of the CCP | CCP's anti-American DNA and U.S. complicity | | 36:46 | Role of Edgar Snow & 'Red Star' | Western glamorization of Chinese Communism | | 46:01 | Wall Street’s Complicity | Financial elites fueling CCP’s rise | | 51:25 | The Woke/Communism Connection | American institutional capture | | 53:40 | Fighting Back: Education & Awareness | Teaching real history as defense | | 57:20 | Patriotism & Historical Memory | Loving America as motivation to defend it |

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Conclusion

Xi Van Fleet warns that the threat posed by Communist China is not just “over there”—it is here, enabled by a century of American elites willingly deceiving themselves and the public. Drawing on both her lived experience and detailed scholarship, she insists that the enemy can only be defeated if Americans cast aside revisionist, divisive ideologies, rediscover genuine history, hold traitors to account, and rekindle their love for America’s unique legacy of freedom. The episode concludes with a call to action: learning and teaching real history is the essential step to saving America.

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Transcript

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Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afney. The program that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the glory of God and his kingdom. Well, as far as I'm concerned, one of the glories of God is our guest for this full hour of conversation. Her name is Xi Van Fleet. She is a woman who survived the horrors of Mao's China, including the Cultural Revolution, which made a profound impact on her as well as, of course, on China and its society. She managed to extricate herself from communist China, came to this country, has prospered here, and is now an exemplar of what I call the foreign born American patriot. That patriotism is evident in two books that she has written that are profoundly important, Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning, in which she talked about about what is happening inside America, and a brand new book called Made in America in which she talks about the making of Communist China as a threat, the greatest threat, in fact, that this country has ever faced, the enabling of it, and we are going to deeply dive into what that has entailed and the implications of the prospect that it might yet continue as we look forward later in the week to President Trump's summit meeting with Xi Jinping, the emperor of Communist China. Xi, you are a dear friend as well as an extraordinary inspiration and I am so grateful to you for taking time to visit with us about, well, so many things, but especially this new book, Made in America. Congratulations on its publication.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Well, thank you so much and thank you for that extraordinary introduction.

[Frank Afney]

Well, I think it's all accurate and certainly heartfelt, let me say, by way of background, because I think it is important for people to, as I'm fond of saying, level set on both our guests as well as their experience, experiences as we talk about what they're doing at the moment. Give us a little bit of the texture of your life in China, your experiences there and Insights that you've taken away from it all.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, I spent my first 26 years in China, so I did not leave China when I was a child. I just heard the stories, I experienced it. Yeah, it's absolute. As you mentioned, I experienced the entire cultural revolution that 10 years from 1966 to 1976, when Mao died. And that was my youth and that was my school years. And after that, after graduating from high school, I was sent to the countryside to, as Mao said, to get a re education. The indoctrination I had in school is not enough. We have to get re. Educated in the countryside by the peasants to be real tough communists.

[Frank Afney]

And so my experience involving hard manual labor.

[Xi Van Fleet]

No, it's a gulags. That's the best way that I can summarize for American listeners, because a lot of them, when they think about the countryside, they think about beautiful countryside in America. No, it's. It's a really hard physical labor in the primitive condition, like slaves, because the peasants were serfs to the ccp. And I joined them. And there I worked for three years in the fields. And only after that, China started to open up and I was able to go to college and study English and eventually was able to. To come to America to pursue my graduate study with the help of a lovely American lady who went to teach in my school. So that was my story. And I could not. I thank her a great deal for bringing me here. And she passed away about 10 years ago. And I really want to let her know that she had no idea, and I had no idea that she brought me here to fight for Communism. That's not something I thought I would do, but here we are. Communism is here. And I just want to not fight

[Frank Afney]

for Communism, fight against Communism. And I don't know anybody who does a better job of it than you. Xi, just one further detail. Did your banishment to the countryside, to the Gulag, have something to do with your background or no? No. All of the children.

[Xi Van Fleet]

By then, Mao has bankrupt the entire country and there is no economy and there's waves of young people, and he had no idea what to do with them. And he was afraid that they might just be a threat to his power when you have so many unemployed young people. And so actually it's a policy that applies to everyone. So all high school graduates were sent to the countryside and yes, that is what happened to millions.

[Frank Afney]

Millions, yeah. Speaking of millions and millions, xi, one of the things that is, I guess, a matter of some speculation, but you're among the lucky Ones that simply suffered terribly but survived. Do you have any sense of the number of people that Mao and his successors have killed in China?

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, in China the estimate is up to 80 million and the estimate was up to 20 million who died during the Cultural Revolution. And that is something that I know for sure that, that I know people who died and I know that just around me and the people who died are not just those unfortunate enemy of the so called Red Guards. So many young kids who are Red Guards killed each other. So it's like death everywhere. So I was there and I knew it.

[Frank Afney]

If I may interrupt because I want to get at this idea that that wasn't just sort of the crazed, you know, sort of power struggling of Mao Zedong. This is kind of epitomizes, does it not, the. The nature of communism?

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, I think this is something I really want people to pay more attention because when they think about communism, they are thinking about mostly, I think even today, even the political leaders, they're thinking about government suppressing their citizens. Of course, that's it. But in China especially, it is the party, Chairman Mao, they use one group of people against another. So it's always people against people. During the Cultural Revolution, it's not really the government come and get you, it's your neighbor who came to get you, it's your colleague who came to get you, it's your students come to get you, it's your children come to get you. And that is what's happening. That's why it applies so much to America. It is not so far the government after us, it's the people against people. They saw such division that, that both sides now really look at each other as enemies. And one side are willing to use violence, assassination, murder to silence the other side. And that's why to learn about Cultural Revolution, to learn about communism in China is so, so, so relevant.

[Frank Afney]

Cultural Marxism not least as this kind of genesis of all this. Xi, we have to take a break here in about half a minute. I just want to tee up a piece of what we'll get into in the next block, which is so central to this communist horror. And you just touched on it there in your comment about your children can turn you in. The children in your own family can be the engine of your destruction. This is baked into Marxism, isn't it? The destruction of the family as an alternative to the party. And I want you to tell us a little bit more about how that operates, because there are some who believe that that's now increasingly in evidence in our own country as well. Might be even more so in the future if the cultural Marxists here have their way. We'll be right back with Jivan Fleef, the author of Made in the Hidden History of How the US Enabled Communist China and Created Our Greatest Threat. Stay tuned.

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[Xi Van Fleet]

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[Frank Afney]

Welcome back. And once again welcome to G. Van Fleet, the author of astonishingly important new book entitled Made in America the Hidden history of how the US Enabled Communist China and created our greatest threat. Xi we're going to talk about the new book in detail here momentarily but I did want to just ask you and it and it feeds into a sort of quick review of the previous book book in which you very very formidably talked about the dangers in ma America as you call it. But maybe as a segue just talk a little bit more about this idea of destroying the family, the nuclear family, if you will, especially as a core thrust of communism and how it devastated China and threatens us.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yes, in China. And it is I I really wanted this is so important. I'm glad that you focus on this topic for for now and destruction of the family is baked as you said, baked into it. You can just read the manifest Communist Manifesto at the tells you clearly that family is a problem because they consider family a structure. What do you call the social construct? The purpose is to preserve the capitalist value and the wealth. So they want to destroy it. But in China, what they did is not destroy the physical family structure, but redirect the loyalty. The loyalty in China throughout the Confucius philosophy is your loyalty is to your family. And it's not just one nuclear family, it's a whole clan. So clan in a way is a micro society. The communists don't like that. They want to have total control. So they break up the expanded family and then they want to break up the nuclear family by directing the loyalty to the party. That's why the kids were taught that your real parents I was taught the Same way that our real parents were the party and our real father was Chairman Mao. And we listened to Chairman Mao. If Chairman Mao said that your parents our enemy, we turn against our parents. And that happened a lot during the Cultural Revolution. The children turned their parents in. Some of them ended being executed. But I want to talk about the same thing here in America. The Marxists in America went one step further. They actually physically destroyed the American family. Started with the Great Society that the government replaced fathers. Now we have so many single family structure with just mothers and have children from different father or I don't even know who the father were. And now we have like a transgender. We have family with two dads and two moms. It's the whole physical structure of American family were destroyed. And now the young people don't want to get married. If they get pregnant, they are bored for the sake of choice and freedom. And so that, to me, that I believe that American Marxists did even a better job than Mao in destroying our family.

[Frank Afney]

It's horrifying. We had an interview last week with a wonderful woman by the name of Rhonda Thomas, who was talking about various practices that are now being adopted and imposed, really, in public education in this country. And I know you first came to great celebrity in our shared Loudoun county of Virginia, in the course of standing up against what is, in fact, a. A very, very dangerous sort of pedagogy in. In the school systems. You. You described it, I think, in the course of your public warnings about what was going on as. As very much like cultural Marxism of your native China.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Absolutely.

[Frank Afney]

Yeah. That's stunning. And I'm sure that you're following these things still. Xi, your warning to America, informed by your own hard experience, could not be more important at this juncture, I think. And I want to just again commend you for your book entitled Mao's America. Are you seeing any significant pushback against this? Now? There was some in Loudoun county and some of these other places in the. In the wake of the COVID experience. But are you assessing whether cultural Marxists are still dominant in our educational systems?

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, a lot of people after Trump won the election, a lot of. We see a lot of progress, and a lot of conservatives were saying the DEI is dead. And I think that's way too early to say that. And we made some progress. A lot of progress are very, very encouraging. But this is not something you can just get rid of overnight. This is something that has been in the making for the past century. So we can trace back to, you know, the 1920s. So, and it will take a long time and started with education. And still today, look at Loudoun County. After all that we did, it's still under the control of the radicals. They're still pushing radical curriculum in Loudoun School. And I just, a parent just sent me a little curriculum for elementary school. And they were saying that the founding fathers learned democracy from the Native Americans. And so this is just totally false, the rewriting of history. And that's what they are doing. They're teaching our children something that in America is not that great. America is just not. America is so racist that they should hate it and should strive to change it and to remake America. So, no, the threat is still there. And we should never have this false sense of safety that because Trump is in the White House, DEI is defeated. It's not yet. Yet.

[Frank Afney]

Amen. Not yet. And again, to anticipate what we'll talk about later, little later in the program, I, I do have concern about the president hiving off to Beijing this week and meeting with Xi Jinping, especially to the extent that, you know, he's, he's taken of late to characterizing the relationship between our two countries as one of a, quote, very friendly competition, unquote. I have the feeling that there will be a lot of communists in the United States who are going to take comfort from and try to exploit all of that. But Xi, on the larger point, your warnings about what has been happening in this country, and I'm thinking particularly for our audience of importance, is the effort to get the woke, as it's been called, the cultural Marxism out of the military. Could you speak to, you know, what has been going on there? If you've been monitoring it, I know you have some thoughts on it, but

[Xi Van Fleet]

the importance of it, of getting rid of it in the military, I think that I started talking about that earlier. As soon as I start to speak, speak out that how do you assess the danger or the spread of Marxism? And the last place you want to see that is in our military, but it is prevalent in the military. So that basically give you an idea how bad, how bad shape we are in. And I'm glad that Secretary Hexag is to doing a great job. He removed some of the obvious, you know, the transgender generals. But this ideology is not something you can just remove by removing some people

[Frank Afney]

and a stroke of the pen. That's not Xi. We have to take a break. We'll be right back with more with Xi Jinping. We're talking next about her new book Made in America. Stay tuned. Foreign.

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[Xi Van Fleet]

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[Frank Afney]

We're back and so is Xi Van Fleet. We are talking with her about her life experiences, about her warnings to our country. And in particular, we're going to turn now to the important new contribution she has made with a Chinese co author by the name of Yuzhi entitled Made in the Hidden History of How the US Enabled Communist China and Created Our Greatest Threat. Xi, again, congratulations on yet another masterwork and it is so timely, so important. Give us a little bit of the backdrop to the book and introduction to it.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah. So this book I focus, I focused on CCP and to a lot of

[Frank Afney]

people they have the Chinese Communist Party, just to be clear.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the Chinese Communist Party, ccp. I think by now most people know

[Frank Afney]

what CCP is, particularly our audience. But just to be clear.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, exactly. So the focus is on CCP and its history, how it came into being, how was it grow into a threat to America or to the entire world as we see it today? And so this is.

[Frank Afney]

Could I ask you a question, Joe, just again, for the level setting. It was always the intention of the Chinese Communist Party to be a threat to America, was it not?

[Xi Van Fleet]

It's in, as you said, baked into the DNA. It's absolutely baked into the DNA of the ccp because the CCP was funded, was funded by the Soviet Union and by the Communist Russians. In its DNA they have three. For the Chinese Communist Party, they have three arch enemies, capitalism, Christianity and United States. Why United States? BY Then, in 1921 when the Chinese Communist Party was founded, United States has emerged as the future of the superpower and they have a big presence in China and including the missionaries.

[Frank Afney]

And it was capitalist and it was Christian. So yes, absolutely. It was a trifecta.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah. The reason they put America there is that America symbolizes both capitalism and Christianity. So you have to read the book to understand it's not like today it is in the DNA at the time of Its conception. So this book is not just about America and the ccp, but who. Who enabled it. And so when you read the book, you will absolutely shock to find that it is us, it is United States every step of the way, including the introduction of Marxism into America, into China. And so it really started with Woodrow Wilson. Yes, absolutely. So I have response from people that I know that read the book. One is a conservative leader in Oklahoma. He read all sorts of books. He's a reader. He read every day. He said, I have no idea that what this book covers is a total void to him. And so there's another one. He said, I have only one word. Wow. Wow. Yes, it is here. So this book, even though it's about the ccp, the real story is who. Who made CCP first of all come into being and then took over China and then took over the United States. And we are at that point. And so the story is here, the enemy is here. That's what I want people to know.

[Frank Afney]

And I guess the point is, you know, there's this famous line from a character in an old comic strip, Pogo, that we've met the enemy and it is us. Yeah. In this case, G. Talk a little bit more about the practice of the Communist Party of China, of what they call capturing elites. To what extent was that operating as?

[Xi Van Fleet]

Well, it's going back in the 20s and 30s, the capture of the elite. So communism, why it's so successful in many ways. I'm not saying successful in running countries, but gathering new followers after, you know, all these years and all this experiment and death of hundreds of millions, all these failures. Yeah, they're still gathering new followers. It's because it's deception and we can start in the 30s. And there's a lot of progressive American journalists went to China and they. And one of them is the most famous one is Edgar Snow. He is from the Middle west and he's progressive. That is something to remember. He was a liberal. He was not a communist, but he was a liberal. So he went to China and then he was able to go to Yan', an, which was the base of the Communist party during the 30s and 40s. And it's a really remote area in northwest of China, but that's their base at that time. And they were out of power. They're fighting for power. So he went there and he saw everything and he just loved it. He saw everything that CCP arranged him to see. And he had interview with Mao and compare Mao as a Christ like figure, compare the communists as Early Christians. He came back and wrote a glowing report in a book entitled Red Star Over China. And that become the best seller in the west, in the United States and in the entire West. And it's still in print today. That book is considered the origin story of the Chinese Communist Party. And you know that I already said he compared this party, this evil party, as, you know, the Christian like party. And so.

[Frank Afney]

So this is. This was part of the deception, exactly, of a captured elite.

[Xi Van Fleet]

But the deception won't work if you are real Christian and if you're really conservative. But they worked for people like Edgar Snow. They want to believe. Actually, they are willing to be deceived. That is the key. They are willing to be deceived. So he was the first capture by the ccp. The book influenced generations of presidents, diplomats, thinkers and policymakers of United States. That book alone, I credit that book alone as how the CCP became what it is today. Because after Edgar Snow, we have, like so many other liberal, progressive journalists, thinkers, scholars joined him and they praised the Communist Party. And then at least they say it is not a real Communist Party, it is actually a peasant party. And their goal was not to build a communist state. Their goal is to liberate the peasants and give them a better life. And so that is how they told themselves. And then they turned around, told the Americans and told the world. And their book is not just Red Star Over China did not just influence the west, it also influenced the generations of Chinese youth in China. They read the book, the translation of it, and then they went to Yan' an to join the Communists. And my two uncles were among them. They abandoned their family. They abandoned everything. And they went to Yan', an, become Communists. This is the book that people should know. And the name, his name is Edgar Snow. He was the first one to be named by the Chinese Communist Party as the old friend of the Chinese people. And that is a title that you can use it to identify who is the traitor, who is the enemy within, just because the CCP tell you. And Bush, the old Bush, Bush's father is a dear old friend of the Chinese people. And that includes, of course, Nixon, that include Carter, that include Kissinger, that includes so many of our presidents and the political leaders. Those are the captured figures.

[Frank Afney]

And G. Just. Just to bring this home to your subtitle, again, the creation of the Communist threat, which flowed from this idealization of China as a communist nation, translated into, not least the buildup of a military that today threatens us with, you know, the eradication of our country. To say nothing of the other enemies within the United States as well. We have to take a break here. When we come back, I want to get into your assessment of the extent to which we not only have enabled all of this, but that if we persist in the sort of policies and practices of our captured elites, we may well lose the country to the Communists of China and their allies, their friends, their proxies, their their captured old friends most especially. And and what that would mean obviously, not just for, you know, the people of this country, but really for what's left of the free world more generally. Nobody does a better job of articulating what all of this portends for us than you do. She from hard experience and Made in America is a great contribution to it. We'll talk more about it on the other side of the break stage too.

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[Xi Van Fleet]

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[Frank Afney]

we're back with Jeevan Fleet, the co author with Yu Zhi of an incredibly timely and I believe indispensable new book entitled Made in America. The subtitle is Gripping how the US Enabled Communist China and Created Our Greatest Threat. And gee, you've teed that up perfectly in your comments about the captured elite and what they have done. I'm interested in what they're doing even now and whether there will be even more of it coming out of this summit with President Trump. God help us. But give us a sense, if you would, of what you're seeing, for example, from Wall street in terms of continuing. As recently as, I think last week, something like $4.6 billion was facilitated in terms of a new infusion of funds for a company called catl, which is a major battery maker in China, and among other things, things as enabling improvements to the Chinese submarine fleet. This seems to me to be a prime example of not only what's happened, but what is continuing to take place at the hands of captured elites on Wall Street. Your thoughts?

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, absolutely. That's why it's so important to study history. It started in the 20s and continued even to today. And after Clinton allowed CCP to enter the World Trade center, we really opened our door. We opened our door to the ccp and before, during the Cold War, we're fighting against Soviet Russia, but Russia is over there. We are here separated geographically, ideologically and financially and in every way. And now where is ccp? It's everywhere. It's everywhere. And because we opened the door and we portrayed China as a reformer, reformer. They're going to reform and they're going to make China a democracy. So we no longer consider it a threat because we never really understand communism to start with. So, yeah, we have people that, you know, just absolutely embrace it, just like another country, just another way, a better way to make money. That is what we see in the past decades. That's why we see our working class destroyed, middle class shrinking, and now our technology stolen, our technological leadership is being threatened. It's all because we treated China as just another country. It is not. It is a communist country and it's not hiding it. It tells you that it is a Marxist party, Communist party. And you go to their constitution, it tells you exactly what they are. But we don't want to believe it. Why? We have so much money to make out of it, so we don't want to believe it. And Wall street is one of the worst. I think decades later we will read this as the same people who aided Nazi during the World War II, and they are the traitors and they are really, really the enemy within. But this is not just Wall street, it's every level. I just talked to a parent now, a grandparent. She wanted me to talk to her grandson's Catholic school about the threat of communism. And the principal replied that no, because we have to be sensitive. We have Chinese students in our school. So even the principals were captured. They believe that talking about communism is culturally offensive to the Chinese students. That is what we are. We are at every level being captured and that is our Smith. And people don't even understand what is Communism, what is Chinese Communism, what is woke. They are all the same thing. They're all rooted in the same thing and they all come from the same playbook. Marxist, cultural Marxism.

[Frank Afney]

Let me ask you, because again, you have a profound understanding, I think, of the impact all of this is having on our young people. I am, I must tell you, simply appalled by the number of Americans who not only are addicted to TikTok, but who have come to consider it a reliable source of news. Xi talk about what that means in terms of the capture of our society and especially when you overlay it on this idea that we can't give any indication of cultural insensitivity. I mean, it would suggest that we're doomed if this is allowed to persist.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yes, this is something that people have to understand. And I think more and more people do know or heard of the long march through institutions. They know that the leftists, they still call it leftists, radicals, the Progressives, but they're all communists. Okay. They kept.

[Frank Afney]

And Long March, of course was the name of mo. Yeah, Long March.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Initially it was from the CCP and the Long March they undertook to survive. So the communist, the American Marxists captured our institution alongside with the ccp. And that is the key, that they are ideologically aligned with each other. They are the same people. They are communists. So they took over most of our education. Most of our institutions include seminaries, including higher education, including our government, our political parties and look at the Democratic Party. I call it Democratic Communist Party. It's been captured. Okay, so because they captured and Democratic

[Frank Afney]

socialists are clearly part of that operation. Right?

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yeah, the name is secondary. Just look at what they stand for, what they push. Same thing. Exact the same thing. So because they control our education system, at first it's just higher education, but eventually, eventually all education system including Catholic

[Frank Afney]

schools and Confucius academies and so on. We have to take another break. We'll be right back. Final segment of this incredibly important, very timely conversation with the author, co author of Made in America, Xi Van Fleet. Stay tuned. Welcome back. We are talking with a dear friend as well as an incredibly admired colleague. Her name is Jeevan Fleet, a woman who knows whereof she speaks about Communism by virtue of having lived under it for some 20 odd years of her life, including hard labor at the hands of the Chinese Communists. She is today arguably one of, if not the most important anti communist in the United States. A title that is further burnished by the book she has just published with Yu Xi entitled Made in America the Hidden History of how the US enabled Communist China and created our greatest threat. Xi I, I could go on and on by, you know, exploring with how, how serious the problem is. Well, I want everybody to read the book and will do myself. But what I want you to focus on in this last block, which will fly by very quickly, but we need your advice as to what must be done if we are to avoid the kind of doom that I was just describing.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Yes, and people ask me this all the time as if I have a prescription for it. I do. But this is not something that can solve the problem overnight. I think first of all is to understand it. And a lot of people still don't understand it and they still don't make the connection. Cultural Marxism woke Communism, CCP and dei, crt. They don't know the connection. The connection is just one. They are all Communism. They are all the same thing, different names. And they will come up with more now DEI becoming really something that people know about, they will come up with something else. So you have to understand what it is and learn the history. I think the reason they can indoctrinate so many generations of Americans is because they don't teach real history. They teach fake history. They rewrote history and teach fake history. So really to get things around, we have to teach real history. I do believe when people know what happened, that same thing happened in China and what was happening, the result, they will reject all those radical ideas. And today there's no such thing as just leftists. They all turn into communists. And then lately we can see the last same person in the Democrat Party has left Democrat Party. That is Feederman. He's the only one. And they cannot tolerate him. That is Communist Party. They cannot tolerate different voices. And the only one in China they had the power. They just. You just disappeared. Like recently in China, they sentenced two former generals in chief, I mean chief generals of the People's Liberation army to death. Yeah, that's what. And that's the history. They cannot tolerate anyone that is not in line. And that's the message. I also want to get to the leftist. You think you are in the winning side? Learn the history. You will be the first one to be pushed against the wall and get shot.

[Frank Afney]

Yes, I couldn't agree with you more. That's such an important point. So she. I think another thing that needs to be done and you've done it on this program. We need to expose and appropriately punish the traitors who are actively serving the Chinese.

[Xi Van Fleet]

We have to let people know.

[Frank Afney]

Start by identifying, of course. Of course.

[Xi Van Fleet]

To destroy us and profit in the process. That is another reason that I wrote this book, that people need to know they are everywhere. They are not just on the top, they are everywhere. And that's something that people need to know.

[Frank Afney]

I agree. You know, if I may shamelessly plug another book that I had a hand in writing called the Indictment Prosecuting the Chinese Communist Party and friends for crimes against America. China and the World is its subtitle and Xi. This was. This was a central.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Can I add one more thing? To win the war, we have to relearn the real history of America. Learn to love it. And if you don't love your country, you're not going to fight to save it. And Today, for the 250th anniversary, we need to teach our young children about the extraordinary history of this country. Why this country draw people like me to escape communism, come here for freedom and what it means. And only then we can save this country.

[Frank Afney]

I couldn't agree more. And the point that I was going to try to make there was basically that in addition to exposing and identifying or identifying and exposing such people, this idea that they need to be prosecuted at a minimum in the court of public opinion.

[Xi Van Fleet]

Absolutely.

[Frank Afney]

If not, if not literally in courts, that's vital as well. But, but to your larger point and you, you talked about the deceptive history, you talked about the fact that we are inculcating in our young people an hostility to our country. That has to be fixed as well. And you're right, none of this is going to take place overnight. But if we don't start, and there couldn't be a better time than the 250th anniversary of this country. There's a moment here and I think your book Made in America is brilliantly timed. Final thoughts before we close?

[Xi Van Fleet]

Well, I just think if you ask me to summarize, I think real history is the way to go to save America.

[Frank Afney]

It is. And as a foreign born American patriot, you are absolutely, I think, relentless in making the case that as you just said, what brought you here was that exceptional history and what it gave rise to. And, and G, I just can't thank you enough for your admonitions that we risk losing all of it if we don't fight for it, if we don't recognize the enemy. Yes. Within as well as the Chinese Communist Party that as you say in your new book, Made in America, we have enabled and we have created and turned to become our greatest threat. God bless you Jeevan Fleet, and your work. I know you will keep it up and I hope you will come back to us very soon. I hope the rest of you will come back to us next time and that until then you will go forth and multiply.