Securing America with Frank Gaffney | November 29, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Frank Gaffney
Featured Guests: Gordon G. Chang, Bill Walton, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

Episode Overview

This episode of "Securing America with Frank Gaffney" addresses major security challenges confronting the United States, with a deep focus on perceived existential threats posed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), as well as dangers from Islamic extremism and what host Gaffney and guests characterize as leftist or globalist influences (e.g., through climate policy). The episode features in-depth conversations with China expert Gordon G. Chang, financial commentator Bill Walton, and Muslim reform advocate Dr. Zuhdi Jasser. Each segment dives into distinct but interconnected issues: Chinese unrestricted warfare (including economic and biological aspects), the geopolitics of climate and energy, and the challenges posed by Islamist networks within the US.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Chinese Communist Party: Unrestricted, Total War Against America

Guest: Gordon G. Chang
[18:27–28:07, 03:40–13:32]

China's Strategies and US Vulnerabilities

• Chang warns that the CCP is waging "total war" (in line with its doctrine of 'unrestricted warfare') against the United States—not just militarily but through economic, biological (COVID-19, fentanyl), technological, and psychological means.

  • "China has a project to destroy America and we have to view it in terms of a struggle. And as you point out... sometimes the war goes kinetic, but sometimes it isn't but all the time, China is attending to take down our society." (Gordon G. Chang, 21:31)
  • He references a 2019 editorial in People's Daily declaring a "people’s war" on America, and explains how PLA doctrine interprets this as "total war."
  • Fentanyl and COVID-19 are described as deliberate weapons:
    • COVID: China “lied” about transmissibility, allowed international travel to spread the virus (23:06)
    • Fentanyl: China “fully behind” production; the deaths are “murders, not overdoses” due to state support for traffickers (25:38)

• Structural and Economic Weakness:

  • US institutions (government, investors) fail to recognize the integrated, unitary nature of Chinese state and "private" entities.
    • "No entity in China may disobey an order of the Communist Party...every company in China, regardless of its business, is military linked." (Gordon Chang, 05:46)
  • US Capital Fuels the Adversary:
    • Wall Street investment (often unknowingly) enables the build-up of Chinese military capacity.
    • Mild regulatory efforts (like sanctioning only PLA-linked Chinese companies) miss the reality—all big Chinese firms are military adjuncts.

• Policy Recommendations:

  • Immediate revocation of a memorandum of understanding (MOU) giving Chinese firms unique access/exemptions in US capital markets ("no justification for giving Chinese companies a free pass on U.S. securities laws" — 11:15).
  • Legislative and administrative action to bar American investment in any Chinese companies.
    • “The SEC should rip up this memorandum immediately and the Trump administration can do it… because the American markets are deep and they are the world's most attractive because the rules favor everybody.” (Gordon Chang, 11:15)
    • Gaffney supports Congressional action, highlighting efforts by Rep. John Moliner and praise for Trump’s “America First investment policy.”

• Urgency and Leadership:

  • Failure “starts at the top,” with presidents historically failing to inform the public of the CCP threat.
    • "We could lose our country because we're not defending ourselves...and that failure stops at the top." (Chang, 26:53)
  • Chang underscores the need for both public awareness and decisive executive action.

2. Climate Change Policy & The West’s Strategic Weakness

Guest: Bill Walton
[33:16–44:45]

COP30 and the Climate Agenda as a Geopolitical Weapon

• Walton challenges the premise that CO2 is a global villain, referencing the anticonventional view of the CO2 Coalition:

  • “CO2 is not only not harmful, but it’s benign… it’s essential to plant growth… They will admit there has been some man made increase in CO2 and some man made increase in temperature, but nothing dramatic…” (Bill Walton, 36:11)
  • He criticizes the scientific and professional climate “consensus,” arguing that only retirees can dissent openly.

• China’s Role in the Climate Debate:

  • China is the largest emitter and benefits from Western economic self-restriction:
    • “China… the leading advocate for the readjusting the world economy. But not the Chinese economy to address climate change.” (Walton, 37:41)
  • Two new coal plants are built weekly in China, fueling its own rise while the West dismantles reliable energy infrastructure.

• Impacts on Western Industry:

  • Europe’s shift to renewables is cited as a reason for economic decline, especially Germany.
    • “If you wanted to wreck Western civilization, you would start by reducing their ability to produce reliable, cheap, consistent energy. And that’s exactly what wind and solar are about.” (Walton, 38:08)

• Global Governance Critique:

  • COP conferences and the UN climate agenda are characterized as attempts at “one world governance.”
    • “This is all sort of a one world governance agenda and similar in climate, what World Health Organization is doing with their desire to take control… this is more of one size fits all, one world. You will be happy living with nothing. You will be happy owning nothing.” (Walton, 40:31)
  • Walton notes shrinking attendance at COP30 as a possible sign of waning influence, crediting Trump’s skepticism for resistance at home.

• Practical Energy Realities:

  • For 30 years, the world’s energy mix has remained 80% fossil fuels, despite all rhetoric (41:40).
  • Renewables like wind and solar lack capacity for “baseload” energy needed for real economic activity, including high-tech advances like AI (42:36–43:30).

3. Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood & US National Security

Guest: Dr. Zuhdi Jasser
[50:16–70:58]

The Muslim Brotherhood as a National Threat

• Trump administration signals intention to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization (51:53). Jasser describes this as overdue:

  • “This designation has been a long time coming… the mothership of the movement is the Muslim Brotherhood… the designation… gives us freedom thinking Muslims a lot more oxygen.” (Jasser, 52:49)

• Muslim Brotherhood Tactics and Influence:

  • MB uses Islam as a “cloak” for control and the spread of Islamist supremacism.
  • US groups like CAIR and the Muslim Student Association are described as tied to MB and adjacent to Hamas; money and ideological support flow through these networks.
    • “What is that? The sense that Islam is a supreme supremacist idea… It takes precedence over… American Constitution… their imams teach that from the pulpit within our country…” (Jasser, 55:11)
  • Jasser recounts personal experiences confronting Islamist ideology in the US military and public discourse (calling out Siraj Wahaj for seditious rhetoric, 55:25).

• Policy and the Problem of “Submission”:

  • The Brotherhood seeks to silence moderate Muslim voices; Jasser argues designation allows American Muslim reformers greater space.
  • US leaders must support Muslim reformers, not empower those who “hate America and hate Israel” (Jasser, 70:58).

Concerns Over Islamist-Leftist Alliances and US Immigration Policy

• Analysis of the recent White House welcome for Zoran Mamdani, a convert to Shia Islam and new mayor of New York City. Jasser and Gaffney express concern:

  • “Islamists are simply dissimulators. They will lie in every meeting… and then go on to do what they do with their closest constituents... that red green axis is more potent than ever.” (Jasser, 65:07)
  • Jasser criticizes platforming Islamist politicians and highlights the need for "diversity of ideas" over merely “diversity of skin color.”

• Trump’s 2016 Position Highlighted:

  • Jasser recalls Trump’s pledge to “screen out any immigrants who have hostile attitudes towards our country or its principles or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law.” (67:42)
  • Calls for vetting public servants and immigrants for loyalty not just in oaths but in publicly stated beliefs and actions (70:00).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Chang on US Financial Investment in China:
  • “We are pouring money into the Chinese military, which is configuring itself to kill Americans.” (Gordon Chang, 05:46)
• Chang on US Policy Failure:
  • “Although we're a far stronger society… we could lose our country because we're not defending ourselves… that failure stops at the top.” (26:53)
• Walton on China’s Energy Advantage:
  • “China… much more prepared to meet, for example, the needs of artificial intelligence than we are.” (43:32)
• Jasser on MB Networks:
  • “A lot of these adjacent groups are feeding from that same ideology: the sense that Islam is a supremacist idea… their imams teach that from the pulpit within our country…” (55:11)
• Gaffney on Islamist Influence:
  • “Depriving you of that oxygen is a central purpose of the Brothers, is it not? And really trying to assure that they and only they speak for the Muslim community in the United States.” (54:33)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• [18:27] Frank Gaffney opens with CCP threats; introduces Gordon Chang
• [21:31] Chang details China’s “total war” doctrine
• [23:06] COVID-19 as a CCP bioweapon
• [25:38] Fentanyl and state-sponsored narcotics
• [26:53] Chang: Leadership failure to inform Americans
• [03:40, 05:46, 11:15, 12:29] Segment on Wall Street, US investments in China
• [33:16] Gaffney introduces Bill Walton/COP30 segment
• [36:11] Walton on the CO2 “consensus” and dissent
• [37:41] The global climate regime and China’s benefits
• [38:08] Energy as foundation of civilization; the West’s self-sabotage
• [42:36] US/China energy production trends and implications
• [50:16] Interview with Dr. Zuhdi Jasser on Muslim Brotherhood designation
• [52:49] The Brotherhood’s global and US influence
• [55:11] MB-associated networks in the US
• [65:07] Critique of Mamdani, “red-green axis,” and reformer marginalization
• [67:42] Trump’s 2016 speech and policy on Islamist immigration
• [70:00] Vetting oaths and public officials for Islamist sympathies

Summary Takeaways

• The episode frames the US as under existential threat both from the CCP (via "unrestricted" warfare) and from Islamist (esp. Muslim Brotherhood-tied) subversion.
• Policy recommendations are sharply drawn: complete economic decoupling from China, revocation of exceptional access for Chinese firms to US markets, urgent public and legislative awareness; US immigration and government practices should explicitly exclude those perceived to be ideologically hostile to constitutional order.
• Climate/energy debates are recast as national security questions, with China portrayed as benefiting from Western climate policy self-restraint.
• Guests repeatedly call for clear, unapologetic leadership, increased vigilance, and more robust vetting of both investments and public officials.

The tone is assertive, urgent, and critical of both US governmental and societal complacency. The recurring theme is that clear-eyed acknowledgment of threats and decisive action are both long overdue—from the White House to Wall Street to local politics.