SECURING AMERICA WITH FRANK GAFFNEY - NOVEMBER 29th, 2025

Summary

Securing America with Frank Gaffney | November 29, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Frank Gaffney
Featured Guests: Gordon G. Chang, Bill Walton, Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Securing America with Frank Gaffney" addresses major security challenges confronting the United States, with a deep focus on perceived existential threats posed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), as well as dangers from Islamic extremism and what host Gaffney and guests characterize as leftist or globalist influences (e.g., through climate policy). The episode features in-depth conversations with China expert Gordon G. Chang, financial commentator Bill Walton, and Muslim reform advocate Dr. Zuhdi Jasser. Each segment dives into distinct but interconnected issues: Chinese unrestricted warfare (including economic and biological aspects), the geopolitics of climate and energy, and the challenges posed by Islamist networks within the US.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The Chinese Communist Party: Unrestricted, Total War Against America

Guest: Gordon G. Chang
[18:27–28:07, 03:40–13:32]

China's Strategies and US Vulnerabilities

• Chang warns that the CCP is waging "total war" (in line with its doctrine of 'unrestricted warfare') against the United States—not just militarily but through economic, biological (COVID-19, fentanyl), technological, and psychological means.

  • "China has a project to destroy America and we have to view it in terms of a struggle. And as you point out... sometimes the war goes kinetic, but sometimes it isn't but all the time, China is attending to take down our society." (Gordon G. Chang, 21:31)
  • He references a 2019 editorial in People's Daily declaring a "people’s war" on America, and explains how PLA doctrine interprets this as "total war."
  • Fentanyl and COVID-19 are described as deliberate weapons:
    • COVID: China “lied” about transmissibility, allowed international travel to spread the virus (23:06)
    • Fentanyl: China “fully behind” production; the deaths are “murders, not overdoses” due to state support for traffickers (25:38)

• Structural and Economic Weakness:

  • US institutions (government, investors) fail to recognize the integrated, unitary nature of Chinese state and "private" entities.
    • "No entity in China may disobey an order of the Communist Party...every company in China, regardless of its business, is military linked." (Gordon Chang, 05:46)
  • US Capital Fuels the Adversary:
    • Wall Street investment (often unknowingly) enables the build-up of Chinese military capacity.
    • Mild regulatory efforts (like sanctioning only PLA-linked Chinese companies) miss the reality—all big Chinese firms are military adjuncts.

• Policy Recommendations:

  • Immediate revocation of a memorandum of understanding (MOU) giving Chinese firms unique access/exemptions in US capital markets ("no justification for giving Chinese companies a free pass on U.S. securities laws" — 11:15).
  • Legislative and administrative action to bar American investment in any Chinese companies.
    • “The SEC should rip up this memorandum immediately and the Trump administration can do it… because the American markets are deep and they are the world's most attractive because the rules favor everybody.” (Gordon Chang, 11:15)
    • Gaffney supports Congressional action, highlighting efforts by Rep. John Moliner and praise for Trump’s “America First investment policy.”

• Urgency and Leadership:

  • Failure “starts at the top,” with presidents historically failing to inform the public of the CCP threat.
    • "We could lose our country because we're not defending ourselves...and that failure stops at the top." (Chang, 26:53)
  • Chang underscores the need for both public awareness and decisive executive action.

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2. Climate Change Policy & The West’s Strategic Weakness

Guest: Bill Walton
[33:16–44:45]

COP30 and the Climate Agenda as a Geopolitical Weapon

• Walton challenges the premise that CO2 is a global villain, referencing the anticonventional view of the CO2 Coalition:

  • “CO2 is not only not harmful, but it’s benign… it’s essential to plant growth… They will admit there has been some man made increase in CO2 and some man made increase in temperature, but nothing dramatic…” (Bill Walton, 36:11)
  • He criticizes the scientific and professional climate “consensus,” arguing that only retirees can dissent openly.

• China’s Role in the Climate Debate:

  • China is the largest emitter and benefits from Western economic self-restriction:
    • “China… the leading advocate for the readjusting the world economy. But not the Chinese economy to address climate change.” (Walton, 37:41)
  • Two new coal plants are built weekly in China, fueling its own rise while the West dismantles reliable energy infrastructure.

• Impacts on Western Industry:

  • Europe’s shift to renewables is cited as a reason for economic decline, especially Germany.
    • “If you wanted to wreck Western civilization, you would start by reducing their ability to produce reliable, cheap, consistent energy. And that’s exactly what wind and solar are about.” (Walton, 38:08)

• Global Governance Critique:

  • COP conferences and the UN climate agenda are characterized as attempts at “one world governance.”
    • “This is all sort of a one world governance agenda and similar in climate, what World Health Organization is doing with their desire to take control… this is more of one size fits all, one world. You will be happy living with nothing. You will be happy owning nothing.” (Walton, 40:31)
  • Walton notes shrinking attendance at COP30 as a possible sign of waning influence, crediting Trump’s skepticism for resistance at home.

• Practical Energy Realities:

  • For 30 years, the world’s energy mix has remained 80% fossil fuels, despite all rhetoric (41:40).
  • Renewables like wind and solar lack capacity for “baseload” energy needed for real economic activity, including high-tech advances like AI (42:36–43:30).

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3. Islamism, the Muslim Brotherhood & US National Security

Guest: Dr. Zuhdi Jasser
[50:16–70:58]

The Muslim Brotherhood as a National Threat

• Trump administration signals intention to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization (51:53). Jasser describes this as overdue:

  • “This designation has been a long time coming… the mothership of the movement is the Muslim Brotherhood… the designation… gives us freedom thinking Muslims a lot more oxygen.” (Jasser, 52:49)

• Muslim Brotherhood Tactics and Influence:

  • MB uses Islam as a “cloak” for control and the spread of Islamist supremacism.
  • US groups like CAIR and the Muslim Student Association are described as tied to MB and adjacent to Hamas; money and ideological support flow through these networks.
    • “What is that? The sense that Islam is a supreme supremacist idea… It takes precedence over… American Constitution… their imams teach that from the pulpit within our country…” (Jasser, 55:11)
  • Jasser recounts personal experiences confronting Islamist ideology in the US military and public discourse (calling out Siraj Wahaj for seditious rhetoric, 55:25).

• Policy and the Problem of “Submission”:

  • The Brotherhood seeks to silence moderate Muslim voices; Jasser argues designation allows American Muslim reformers greater space.
  • US leaders must support Muslim reformers, not empower those who “hate America and hate Israel” (Jasser, 70:58).

Concerns Over Islamist-Leftist Alliances and US Immigration Policy

• Analysis of the recent White House welcome for Zoran Mamdani, a convert to Shia Islam and new mayor of New York City. Jasser and Gaffney express concern:

  • “Islamists are simply dissimulators. They will lie in every meeting… and then go on to do what they do with their closest constituents... that red green axis is more potent than ever.” (Jasser, 65:07)
  • Jasser criticizes platforming Islamist politicians and highlights the need for "diversity of ideas" over merely “diversity of skin color.”

• Trump’s 2016 Position Highlighted:

  • Jasser recalls Trump’s pledge to “screen out any immigrants who have hostile attitudes towards our country or its principles or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law.” (67:42)
  • Calls for vetting public servants and immigrants for loyalty not just in oaths but in publicly stated beliefs and actions (70:00).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Chang on US Financial Investment in China:
  • “We are pouring money into the Chinese military, which is configuring itself to kill Americans.” (Gordon Chang, 05:46)
• Chang on US Policy Failure:
  • “Although we're a far stronger society… we could lose our country because we're not defending ourselves… that failure stops at the top.” (26:53)
• Walton on China’s Energy Advantage:
  • “China… much more prepared to meet, for example, the needs of artificial intelligence than we are.” (43:32)
• Jasser on MB Networks:
  • “A lot of these adjacent groups are feeding from that same ideology: the sense that Islam is a supremacist idea… their imams teach that from the pulpit within our country…” (55:11)
• Gaffney on Islamist Influence:
  • “Depriving you of that oxygen is a central purpose of the Brothers, is it not? And really trying to assure that they and only they speak for the Muslim community in the United States.” (54:33)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [18:27] Frank Gaffney opens with CCP threats; introduces Gordon Chang
• [21:31] Chang details China’s “total war” doctrine
• [23:06] COVID-19 as a CCP bioweapon
• [25:38] Fentanyl and state-sponsored narcotics
• [26:53] Chang: Leadership failure to inform Americans
• [03:40, 05:46, 11:15, 12:29] Segment on Wall Street, US investments in China
• [33:16] Gaffney introduces Bill Walton/COP30 segment
• [36:11] Walton on the CO2 “consensus” and dissent
• [37:41] The global climate regime and China’s benefits
• [38:08] Energy as foundation of civilization; the West’s self-sabotage
• [42:36] US/China energy production trends and implications
• [50:16] Interview with Dr. Zuhdi Jasser on Muslim Brotherhood designation
• [52:49] The Brotherhood’s global and US influence
• [55:11] MB-associated networks in the US
• [65:07] Critique of Mamdani, “red-green axis,” and reformer marginalization
• [67:42] Trump’s 2016 speech and policy on Islamist immigration
• [70:00] Vetting oaths and public officials for Islamist sympathies

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Summary Takeaways

• The episode frames the US as under existential threat both from the CCP (via "unrestricted" warfare) and from Islamist (esp. Muslim Brotherhood-tied) subversion.
• Policy recommendations are sharply drawn: complete economic decoupling from China, revocation of exceptional access for Chinese firms to US markets, urgent public and legislative awareness; US immigration and government practices should explicitly exclude those perceived to be ideologically hostile to constitutional order.
• Climate/energy debates are recast as national security questions, with China portrayed as benefiting from Western climate policy self-restraint.
• Guests repeatedly call for clear, unapologetic leadership, increased vigilance, and more robust vetting of both investments and public officials.

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The tone is assertive, urgent, and critical of both US governmental and societal complacency. The recurring theme is that clear-eyed acknowledgment of threats and decisive action are both long overdue—from the White House to Wall Street to local politics.

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And so praise the Lord is Gordon G. Chang. Follow him with that handle, if you would. It is an incredibly important feed and resource for our country, as are all of his appearances on this program. Yes, but many, many others as well, including, I want to say a special word of appreciation to you and to your host frequently, Maria Bartiromo at Fox Business and FOX News. Gordon, the two of you are rendering week upon week, I think, incalculably important service to our country, doing well, pretty much what you just talked about. It's not the same thing as having our government, specifically President Trump, laying out what we're up against, but you certainly do. And a frequent topic for your conversations with Maria and her efforts, including two, well, I think it's now the three, if I'm not mistaken, maybe four specials that she has done on various aspects of China's unrestricted warfare and in particular the financial warfare element of it is to discuss how it is that our mavens of Wall street persist in taking money from American investors, much of it without their knowledge, and putting it into Chinese companies, including Chinese companies working directly for the military of communist China, building up the threat that it poses to us. And I would just ask you, we did a webinar on this subject last week. I commend it to all of our listeners. Committee on the Present Danger. China is the sponsor. PresentDangerChina.org is where you can find it. And I entreat you to take stock of this horror and help us correct it. Gordon, your thoughts on that subject and the need for such a course correction.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Sir, we don't understand the Chinese political system. And because of that, we are pouring money into the Chinese military, which is configuring itself to kill Americans. Just to give you an example, the financial Times recently reported that there is a White House memo that talks about Alibaba, the Internet. Chinese Internet giant retailer has been helping the Chinese military. And Alibaba and the Chinese embassy in the U.S. deny it. But we got to remember one thing, and that is China runs a unitary state. No entity in China may disobey an order of the Communist Party. So whether we're talking about a state owned enterprise or a privately owned enterprise or, or a publicly listed enterprise, they all are required to help the Chinese military. And when you talk about Alibaba, there's also the issue of military civil fusion, which is the doctrine that every entity in and every person in China who has anything the military wants has to give it to the military. So really what we're talking about is a single state. And we don't view China that way. We think China is organized like we are, that you have a government and we've got private companies. And those private companies can defy the US Government. They don't have to follow what the US Government says. So for instance, Apple did that a few years ago in refusing to unlock its phones, for it was either the Defense Department or one of the other national security agencies. That's perfectly permissible in our country. So we sort of assume that China's organized the same way. No, it's not. And because you have these big Chinese companies on our markets, they are taking cash from Americans, they're using it to develop their own businesses. And those businesses transfer important technology to the Chinese military. So, you know, we have this distinction. We sometimes sanction Chinese military linked companies. Well, every company in China, regardless of its business, is military linked. And so therefore none of them should be on our exchanges. And, and also, Frank, Americans should not be permitted to invest in Chinese companies in China. And right now there is a torrent of foreign cash going into China's equity markets. Now, yeah, the Chinese economy is stumbling, but the markets there are hot. And we are helping to fuel this, these Chinese military companies, which means all Chinese companies, and thereby prop up the.

[Frank Gaffney]

Chinese Communist Party as well, which, as you said at the outset, is intent on destroying us. This is the height of insanity. So, as you may know, Gordon, in the webinar we were able to present some of the highlights of an interview that I had with Congressman John Moliner, the chairman of the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, an absolutely extraordinary legislator, man who I think is doing probably as important a job as any in our government at the moment in trying to expose what we're up against and encourage on the one hand, the government to take the necessary steps to address it, and the private sector, especially these Wall street companies. He has particularly gone after Jamie Dimon at JP Morgan and Brian Moynihan at Bank of America and the CEO of Morgan Stanley and others about the help that they're giving to the Chinese military, among others. And I wish him well in doing that. But I also am extraordinarily happy that he is saying he intends to legislate, to put into statute the kinds of changes that President Trump at the outset of his second term announced in his, as he calls it, America first investment policy. And I just pray he'll be able to get that done. But I wanted to ask you about a specific initiative that could be done basically right away without having to go through the, you know, sausage making of legislation and getting the president's signature and so on. And that is ending a memorandum of understanding negotiated, as you know, with the help of then Vice President Joe Biden, who subsequently went on to become, I think, a Chinese asset controlled asset, as Sam Faddis calls him, by allowing the Chinese Communist Party's companies, including ones that are tied to the pla, as you say, preferential access to our capital markets. Gordon, they don't have to abide by our securities laws or regulations, uniquely. Not American companies can't do that. Not European companies, nobody else, just those of our mortal enemy. What is wrong with that picture? And would you agree that Paul Atkins, the chairman of the securities and Exchange Commission, ought to rip this thing up right away and within 30 days that underpinning for this whole enterprise on Wall street with China would come undone?

[Gordon G. Chang]

I think whatever one thinks about Chinese companies on American exchanges, and there's all sorts of opinions about it, there is no justification, no justification for giving Chinese companies a free pass on U.S. securities laws. This is just, I don't understand the motivation for it. I don't understand why we've permitted this. And y the SEC should rip up this memorandum immediately and the Trump administration can do it without going through, as you say, the sausage making of American legislation, because the American markets are deep and they are the world's most attractive because the rules favor everybody. They make sure that this company is disclosed. What we've given essentially the. The right to the Chinese not to disclose relevant information for investors that corrodes the reputation of our markets. Why are we doing this? There is, as I said, no reason why. And I think the Trump administration needs absolutely to revoke that memorandum, especially in light of that February investment. America Investment first memorandum that the White House issued.

[Frank Gaffney]

Amen. And I'm so pleased that you feel this way too, Gordon, because I think that you have become renowned not just for your warnings of what's afoot here, but also highly respected for your recommendations as to what we must do about it. And this is one of those practical, near term, very effective steps that we can take. And if you will speak about it on your other platforms, it will go a long way, I think, to helping make this happen. God bless you my friend. Thank you for joining us regularly and we look forward to our next visit. In the meantime, have a very happy Thanksgiving. Bless you and your family and the work you do. We'll talk with you soon. The rest of you, I hope, will stick to we'll be right back with more right after this.

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[Frank Gaffney]

Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Afne the program that's a kind of owner's manual for protecting the country we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the glory of God and His kingdom. We're going to talk about all of the challenges that we're facing from what I consider to be the single most serious threat facing our nation, and that would be the Chinese Communist Party, the determination it has to destroy this country and the relentless way it has been pursuing that ambition for decades, mostly without any effective response or even any particular clarity that it's happening on the part of the United States government and therefore, of course, the American people. Few have understood better the peril of that situation than our first guest. He is the great Gordon Chang. You can follow him, as I do at Gordon G. Chang at Twitter. He is also a distinguished senior fellow at the Gatestone Institute, a columnist for Newsweek, the author, most recently of Plan Red Communist China's Project to Destroy America. We are privileged to have him as a regular contributor to this program, as he does on so many other platforms. His clarity on all these issues is of surpassing importance and we're deeply grateful to him for visiting with us at a time such as this. Gordon welcome back, my friend.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Well, I'm deeply grateful to be able to talk to you, Frank, so thank you.

[Frank Gaffney]

Thank you, my friend. Let me start, Gordon, by asking you about the topic of a webinar of our committee on the Present Danger China that will be held at 1pm Wednesday Eastern Time. I'd like to have your comments for a contribution to that program as well as this one, Gordon. So I'm going to set it up by asking the following. We have, as I've indicated, an ongoing problem of abiding and indeed intensifying Chinese aggression. Mostly it has taken place in the non kinetic space, that is to say in various ways that are harmful. But on occasion it gets pretty darn kinetic, if not explosive, at least murderous. For example, with fentanyl and with the COVID 19 biological warfare attack, the question is at what point does this become a war? And if we've already crossed that line, what must we do in response?

[Gordon G. Chang]

We Americans think of war as kinetic war, World War II, Korean War, et cetera. China has a project to destroy America and we have to view it in terms of a struggle. And as you point out, Frank, sometimes the war goes kinetic, but sometimes it isn't but all the time, China is attending to take down our society. Now, to start with the basics. In May 2019, People's Daily, which is the most authoritative publication in China, carried a landmark editorial that declared a, quote, unquote, people's war on us. That's a term which resonates in Communist Party thinking. It goes all the way back to the Maoist era. And if we needed a definition, PLA Daily, which is the main propaganda organ of the Chinese military, in March 2023, defined people's war as total war. Now, China, although it denies it, has a doctrine of unrestricted warfare. That's the title of that 1999 book from two Chinese air force colonels, which essentially argues that the China can use any tactics, including terrorism, to take down the US and to show you the nature of this struggle, in that book, they talk about bin Laden, who China at the time was actually supporting. They talk about bin laden hitting the US so that's two years before 9, 11. So it gives you a dimension of all of this. Now, China knows that the United States is a far stronger society. And so what they've been trying to do is to weaken us. And they do it in a number of different ways. So you mentioned COVID 19. We know COVID 19 came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. We don't know whether it was a manufactured biological weapon or whether it was just escape pathogens. I think it was a biological weapon, but that's something a question for virologists. And we know that it escaped into the Chinese population, and there are questions about that. But what's really important is not anything up to that point. It's what Xi Jinping did after that disease got into the Chinese population. Because he then took two decisions. One of them is that he told the world it was not transmissible human to human. When he knew it was highly contagious, he had to know it was highly contagious no later than the second week of December. But China did not admit human transmissibility until January 20th of 2020. And then he said it was only limited transmissibility. And then all the while they were telling health officials around the world, including the United States, on January 3rd, I think it was, that this was. Don't worry about it. The other thing they did was while they were locking down their own society, they were telling others to take rivals from China without travel restrictions or quarantines. Lockdowns are controversial, but by locking down their own society, they were telling the world they thought this was an effective way to stop disease. You take these two things together, lying about contagiousness and the lockdowns, and it shows that the spread of this disease outside China's borders was deliberate. That means 7 million people outside of China who died from COVID Those were murders. That includes 1.2 million Americans. We know about fentanyl. Last year, 48,000Americans died from a disease which we know the Communist Party, sorry, a drug which the Communist Party has been behind. They are fully behind the fentanyl scourge. We know that because fentanyl producers, some of them are state owned. But even if they're not, China runs a total surveillance state and they know what these fentanyl producers are doing. Chinese diplomats give cover to the gangs. Chinese central government provides subsidies for the production of fentanyl. Every container that leaves China is inspected by Chinese officials. China's TikTok promotes illicit drug use. The fentanyl gangs, they launder their proceeds through the Chinese state banking system. I could go on and on, but you can see that the fentanyl deaths are not overdoses, they're murders. We can go on a number of different things China's doing, but we can see that this is a long term project to take down our country. And whether we think about war in kinetic terms or not, this is a struggle which is existential.

[Frank Gaffney]

Gordon, that's so helpful in terms of setting the stage for an appreciation of what they have been doing to us until now. And you can obviously flesh it out with other things that are not murderous literally, though they are deadly for sure. Like destroying our industrial base and like creating dependencies on Chinese sources of supply that are unreliable at best and at worst going to be cut off.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Attacking our food supply.

[Frank Gaffney]

Attacking our food supply, indeed. And I just, I guess I would ask you this question very pointedly. At what point must we consider the state we're in with respect to China as a state of war?

[Gordon G. Chang]

The President of the United States has an obligation to talk to the American people about what Xi Jinping is doing, which is preparing all of Chinese society, not just the military, for war. We think we're a society at peace. We're not. And I think that this was a failure of our presidents going back to almost the turn of the century, not to talk to the American people about what China is doing. So although we're a far stronger society, as I mentioned, we could lose our country because we're not defending ourselves with the vigor and with the determination that is necessary. So there's a failure of the American society to understand the situation we are in and that failure stops at the top starts at the top.

[Frank Gaffney]

I couldn't agree more. It's time that we rectify that, and I believe that Donald Trump is the man to do it. We'll talk about another way in which he can make a course correction on the other side of this very short break. It's an incredibly important topic. Please stay tuned for more right after this.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams.

[Travis Holloway]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break.

[Rodney Williams]

Let's be honest. Building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger.

[Travis Holloway]

And that's exactly why we created the wealthbreak. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles, and real wins.

[Rodney Williams]

We're here to talk about the journey. You'll hear from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learned to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business. We're bringing you their stories.

[Travis Holloway]

And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities, like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.

[Rodney Williams]

So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place.

[Travis Holloway]

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[Frank Gaffney]

We're back. And so is Bill Walton. We've missed him, but we have him now and we have him on a topic that is of very important, well, moment, shall we say, because the latest conference of parties, the 30th of these things where the world gathers to fulminate about the terrible damage that is being done to the world's clothes, climate and the temperature of that climate, specifically by human produced CO2, carbon dioxide. The last time I checked, every time we exhale we are generating it and limiting. That seems to me to be a formula for some pretty nasty things for humans, to say nothing of cows and, and a lot of other creatures. But we are joined by Bill for the purposes of explaining what on earth this is all about. And he brings to it, of course, the expertise of a man who has spent much of his life in the financial sector. A maven of Wall street at Allied Capital, he has most recently been the host of a terrific television program, the Bill Walton Show. He has until recently been the Vice chairman of the Conservative Political Action Coalition as well men of many parts. And we're interested in his views on Cop 30. Welcome back, Bill. It's good to have you, my friend.

[Bill Walton]

Great, great talking with you, Frank.

[Frank Gaffney]

So what I have to ask, just for level setting purpose, Bill, is your informed assessment of whether in fact, fact, man impacted carbon dioxide production is causing the world to end at some point in the foreseeable future or similar dire outcomes.

[Bill Walton]

Well, we're talking about that villain CO2, which as you mentioned is sort of essential to life and something we breathe out all the time. And most importantly, it's essential to plant growth. And if you look at, you know, they've done some experiments and if you have a plant sitting in a room with a certain level of CO2 and then there's one just above that and then another above that and you come back in six months, the plant that was exposed to the most CO2 grows significantly larger than the other two. And CO2 was demonized. They called it a. I remember what, what was the phrase EPA used to demonize it anyway? They did. And about 15 years ago. And the, well, I think they, they.

[Frank Gaffney]

Had something on their mind like, like banning it. I think at one point it was just term.

[Bill Walton]

They have a term, it's a, oh gosh, I'm supposed to be expert in this and it slipped my mind. Well, anyway, see I'm, I'm a, I'm a member of a coalition called the CO2 Coalition, which is a group of, of scientists, PhDs, spent their lifetime in this field, but you know, in physics and in other related areas of science, not exactly climate because. And the interesting thing about this group is they're all retired. They're all 65, 70, 75 years old because you can't get a job in the climate field unless you go along with the quote consensus. And so since these, these guys are retired, they don't need grants, they don't need their professorships. They can say they truly think and what they truly think is that CO2 is not only not harmful, but it's benign. And they will admit that there has been some man made increase in CO2 and some man made increase in temperature, but not anything that is dramatic, nor anything that would cause us to reorganize society. Drop fossil fuels and run to windmills and, and solar and Chinese windmills and solar panels. Chinese built windmills, Chinese built solar panels and of course China, two coal plants a week. They're the largest carbon emitter emitter in the world. And interestingly at this conference they had the biggest pavilion and they had the largest delegation except for the delegation from Brazil, which of course since it was hosted in Brazil, you would expect. So China has become in our absence the leading advocate for the readjusting the world economy. But not the Chinese economy to address climate change.

[Frank Gaffney]

Except the Chinese economy.

[Bill Walton]

If you wanted to wreck Western civil, you would, you would start by reducing their ability to produce reliable, cheap, consistent energy. And that's exactly what wind and solar are about. Germany, we can see, used to be the manufacturing capital of the world and now it's been eclipsed by China and the German economy is growing. So the Chinese is succeeding in their plan by demonizing carbon to in effect destroy the German economy.

[Frank Gaffney]

The, and not just the German economy, this is true in the Netherlands.

[Bill Walton]

Well, you've got France, you've got Brussels, you've got all the, all the, most of the eager adopters in Great Britain. You know, cost of electricity has gone up five times. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing.

[Frank Gaffney]

Let's turn Bill to, to what?

[Gordon G. Chang]

This.

[Frank Gaffney]

So called Cop 30 was about what, what was the upshot of all of this thrashing around about climate change and man induced stuff. I think endangerment finding was the thing you were looking for in terms of what EPA was saying about this. I think COP types are all about.

[Gordon G. Chang]

Right?

[Bill Walton]

I should have had my grok open before me.

[Frank Gaffney]

I found mine.

[Bill Walton]

Well, as you pointed out, Conference of the Parties is, you know, is what COP stands for. And COP 30. 30 is 30 years. And this got kicked off by something called the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. And they had their first meeting, Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992. They had another cop in Berlin in 1995. Now this gave us this conference is not just a gathering. They come up with statements and statements that they would hope that governments around the world would follow to the letter. And they came up with the Kyoto Protocol and also the famous Paris Agreement, which thankfully Donald Trump got us out of, which would have had a catastrophic effect on our economy. And so they've been coming together every year. This year was different because it was in Brazil, beside the rainforest. In fact, they had to carve out big chunks of the rainforest in order to accommodate a highway to.

[Frank Gaffney]

You can't make this stuff up.

[Bill Walton]

No, you can't. And the cruise ships offshore to accommodate the fact there weren't enough hotel rooms. And so you've got the cruise ships, you know, their diesel engines running away 24 7. So the comedy is there, but the serious thing is they want. And if we've talked about this, Frank, this is all sort of a one world governance agenda and similar in climate, what World Health Organization is doing with their desire to take control of governments when there's a crisis, when there's a pandemic. And so this is more of one size fits all, one world. You will be happy living with nothing. You will be happy owning nothing. And it's interesting, you go on the websites of all these different organizations and the prescriptions are almost identical. This year, though, the attendance was roughly half what it was at the last one. They were expecting 100,000. They got 50. And part of that is because what Donald Trump has been doing in the United States by really calling out what the climate agenda, as I think he flat out calls it, a con, a hoax, a con. And he has Chris Wright in the Energy Department, who knows as much about this as anyone that's articulating what her energy needs should be. And he's been very, very strong in advocating nuclear and also pointing out that hydrocarbons are not the devil that they've been portrayed as being. And so we need to keep those in our energy mix. You know, it's interesting, for 30 years they've been talking about switching over to renewables, wind and solar. And the mix of energy has been about 80% fossil fuels for that entire period. So for all this sturm and drunk, they haven't affected, you know, the source of our energies and among other reasons.

[Frank Gaffney]

Bill, for the very practical one that almost everything we do that's important, whether it's, you know, manufacturing, whether it's artificial intelligence, if you think that's a thing that we need to be pursuing, they all require reliable baseload power and those renewables simply don't produce it.

[Bill Walton]

Yeah, so that's so right. A couple of things here. There have been some big brain economists that have done studies on this and they will say there's like almost a one to one correlation between energy production and lower cost energy and economic growth. And so it's, it's intrinsic in economies that energy is the key driver. Also, if you look at a chart, our energy level has been flatlined for, gosh, I don't know, 20, 25 years. While China level consumption, you mean, or.

[Frank Gaffney]

What'S that consumption or production?

[Bill Walton]

Production, production. And you know, we've done a lot of energy saving things with appliances and different sort of regulations and we haven't had that big of increase in demand in electricity. China, I think though, in anticipation of AI and other needs, you know, these technology, new technologies just use energy. They just, it's incredible how much appetite they have for electrical power. Their chart for electrical production, in part because of these two new coal plants, every week is going up like this. So they're much more prepared to meet, for example the needs of artificial intelligence than we are.

[Frank Gaffney]

And increasingly from indigenous sources, notably coal, as you would say.

[Bill Walton]

I got to make this point. I know we're about done. Indigenous people at this conference, they were trotting out indigenous people. These were Indians that live in the rainforest forest. To say they really rather live in the rainforest as is and not have modern life than to have this terrible thing, carbon.

[Frank Gaffney]

I'm sure they were not polled on the subject.

[Bill Walton]

I'm sure they weren't paid either.

[Frank Gaffney]

Just another fraud, just another hoax. Thanks Bill, for this report. We look forward to talking with you in the near future. Thank you. Have a great Thanksgiving, my friend. God bless you and yours. Talk with you soon. We'll be right back folks. Please stay tuned.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams.

[Travis Holloway]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break.

[Rodney Williams]

Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger.

[Travis Holloway]

And that's exactly why we created the Wealth Break. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles and real wins.

[Rodney Williams]

We're here to talk about the journey. You'll hear from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories.

[Travis Holloway]

And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.

[Rodney Williams]

So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place.

[Travis Holloway]

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I don't think so.

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[Frank Gaffney]

Welcome Jack we are talking now with a man to whom we turn frequently on matters involving the challenges we face from what I call Sharia supremacism. He is a practicing Muslim by background. He is also a former lieutenant commander in the United States Navy. He served in its medical corps, among other things, served on Capitol Hill, tending to the members of Congress there and the Supreme Court. He has been, among other things, an internist, excuse me, a nuclear medicine specialist. His medical practice. And is also a man who has taken a leading role in trying to reform Islam. He is Dr. Zudi Jasser, the author of an important book on this subject entitled Struggle for the Soul of Islam. As I recall, Patriots Fight to Save His Faith. He has been, among other things, the founder and leader of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and the Muslim Reform movement. And we're always delighted to catch up with him whenever we can. Dr. Jasser, we're speaking to you before Thanksgiving. I hope you have a very happy one. And I give thanks for your appearances on this program, among other things. Welcome back.

[SpinQuest Advertiser]

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[Frank Gaffney]

Thank you. So, Zudi, in the past few days, the president has shared with John Solomon and his audience audience that he intends to designate the Muslim Brotherhood as an international terrorist organization. And you have been contending with the brothers probably as long and as hard as anybody I know, both within the struggle for the soul of Islam, as you put it, but also in terms of their efforts, efforts to sort of marginalize you or worse. Talk to us about this group, the role that it is playing not just, you know, elsewhere around the world, but here in the United States as well, and the implications for our country if we fail to treat them as they should be, as a terrorist organization.

[SpinQuest Advertiser]

Well, this designation has been a long time coming. And as I talk about in my book, A Battle for the Soul of Islam from when I was in college at the University of Wisconsin, my foray in understanding the ravages of political Islam was working against the Muslim Student association and quickly getting an education on what they're all about. The fact that they use Islam as a cloaking in order to control communities, to control minorities, vulnerable groups like women and others in their own cliques. If you are in the west, but then globally, it's a movement that whose mothership Islamism if the ideology, but the mothership of the of the movement is the Muslim Brotherhood on the Sunni side based out of Egypt. And, and that movement has had thousands upon thousands of splinter groups that have emanated from it and the designation of that group as a terror group, you know, is I think, one of the milestones, if you will, and I use that term intentionally. Hassan Al Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, talks about in a book milestones on how he is going to defeat the West. Sayyid Al Qutb did the same thing. And they use these milestones as a way to defeat secular non Islamic countries. And we should have milestones for America first for defeating our greatest threats, whether it be Soviet communism in the 20th century or now political Islam in the 21st century and all of its permutations from the OIC and I think ultimately the Muslim Brotherhood, by designating it and we can go into some of the other points in history from the Holy Land foundation trial and on victories, but this designation will certainly give us freedom thinking Muslims a lot more oxygen.

[Frank Gaffney]

Well, I pray so, Zudi. And again, depriving you of that oxygen is a central purpose of the Brothers, is it not? And really trying to assure that they and only they speak for the Muslim community in the United States. And at the same time, they're all about radicalizing it, including people, I believe, like, you know, your own family who came here to get away from Sharia and all that it compels Muslim faithful Muslims to do, including Jihad. Right.

[SpinQuest Advertiser]

100%. And all you need to do is, you know, I testified to Congress about this a few times. The Last time was 2018, to Congressman DeSantis on the oversight committee about why the Muslim Brotherhood should be declared a terrorist organization. And at the end of the day, a lot of these groups, if you look at the Holy Land foundation trial, CAIR was a unindicted co conspirator because it was part of the funnel. It's an adjacent group that provided a lot of the contacts and networking for funding that ultimately led to money going to Hamas, which is why the board of the Holy Land foundation is in prison for 25 years. So a lot of these adjacent groups are feeding from that same ideology. What is that? The sense that Islam is a supreme supremacist idea. Islamic law should control the communities. And it takes precedence over any other law, be it American Constitution, Western secular law, Christian law, whatever it might be, they find those to be inferior to their Islamic supremacism. And their imams teach that from the pulpit within our country, which I called out from 95 when I was in my uniform at the Islamic Society of North America. I called out Siraj Wahaj as being a seditious traitor because he held up the Quran and said, we are here to replace this with from the Constitution to the Quran. And I said, that's sedition. And now that Imam 30 years later is taking pictures with Mamdani a few weeks before he won the New York mayorship. So this designation could not come too, too soon and finally begin to expose the reality of people like Mamdani and Ilhan Omar that really have oaths to systems outside of America, outside of our constitution, that make them truly a threat to our freedom and democracy.

[Frank Gaffney]

Amen. And Zudi, just a quick point. You mentioned the Muslim Students association, which was the wellspring of the Muslim Brotherhood, of course, in the 60s. You also mentioned the Council on American Islamic Relations, a group that is not, I don't think, just adjust adjacent to Hamas. It was established by Hamas and we know that because the FBI back in the day when it did this sort of thing was wiretapping the organizational meeting in Philadelphia. And it was very clear that Hamas, or SAMA as they called it in code, was, you know, to be the beneficiary of this, this sort of political warfare instrument called the Council on American Islamic Relations or care. So again, you have been confronting these guys. You have seen firsthand the kind of control they try to exercise and the kind of submission they seek to impose on everybody, not just Muslims like yourself, but the rest of us as well. We have to take a short break. When we come back, I want to talk about another of these characters. Zoran Mamdani met the president of the White House last week. Stay tuned.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams.

[Travis Holloway]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break.

[Rodney Williams]

Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger.

[Travis Holloway]

And that's exactly why we created the Wealth Break. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles and real wins.

[Rodney Williams]

We're here to talk about the journey. You'll hear from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories.

[Travis Holloway]

And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities, like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.

[Rodney Williams]

So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place.

[Travis Holloway]

Listen to the Wealth Brave podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

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[Frank Gaffney]

We're back. And so is Dr. Zudi Jasser, man who served in the uniform of the United States Navy and these days is seeking to run for Congress from his state of Arizona. He did once before. He seems to be making headway this time around and we're very pleased to have him here with us to talk about some of the topics that should be, I hope, front and center in your race, Zudi. And another of them is the fact that you have been fairly forthright, shall we say, in your criticism of another of these Sharia supremacists. A man who is a convert to Islam, a convert, in fact, to the Shia strain of Islam that has a sort of death cult quality to it. Twelverism is, as it's called, despite the fact that he's not only all of that, but a communist to boot. And the President of the United States had properly castigated him in the race to become the next mayor of New York City. Having won that race, the President actually met with him at the White House last week, and you'd hardly know that not only had the president called him out for what he is. But Zormadani had described the president as a, I don't know, a fascist and a dictator and the like. Something he's actually said again subsequent to the meeting. And yet he got a very hearty welcome and a promise from the president to try to help him succeed. What do you make of all this, sir? And what should the rest of us make of it?

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Yeah, you know, the president, I think is likely well intended, trying to, you know, in many ways help New Yorkers withstand the socialist onslaught, the Islamist onslaught that's going to happen with the mayor and try to buffet some of that. But at the end of the day, the Islamists are simply dissimulators. They will lie in every meeting in order to, to appease whoever's in front of them and then go on to do what they do with their closest constituents, which are the Islamists and the red green axis. So I wouldn't trust anything Mamdani would say at the press conference or at the meeting that he had with the president. And actually I was a bit saddened to see him platform this way because there's no really contrary narrative right now for Muslims. One of the reasons I'm running is I believe we need to flip the script. The DEI years. If you look recently, just this weekend, H. Rap Brown, who then converted to Islam, was part of the red green axis back in the 60s and 70s when he was killing cops and radicalizing Muslims along with Malcolm X and, you know, Farrakhan and Muhammad Ali and other icons. And now we've come to 30, 40 years later with BLM, etc. That red green axis is more potent than ever. And Mamdani, as part of the immigrant part of that axis of the Islamists that have come to destroy America from abroad, be it from Congo, Iran, India, wherever it might be, they despise the west and they're trying to use Qatari money, Turkish money and others to destroy us in a common enemy process with the Chinese and others. And we have to expose that and we want to flip the script so that we can say, you know what, this is a very American battle. Our founding fathers fought against theocracy and created the greatest democracy in the world. Muslims are having this same battle, and President Trump said it, as you mentioned to me back in 2016, that this is a core battle against radical Islam, theocratic, Islamic, that we have Muslims that are on our side in our reform movement and the Mamdanis of the world are the enemy, if you will, of that idea from that ideology that we need to defeat. And I hope he has for every one press conference he does with Mamdani, he has 10 with our clarity Coalition and Muslim reformers to begin to flip that narrative, if you will, and make it about diversity of ideas, not diversity of skin color and other apologetics.

[Frank Gaffney]

Well, I do, too, Zuhdi, and I want to thank you for bringing back up this idea of a very important speech that the president made when he was actually the Republican nominee for president in his first campaign in 2016 and August 15th of that year, to be precise. He went to Youngstown, Ohio, to deliver a profound denunciation of what Hillary Clinton was doing with the Muslim Brothers and others in the, you know, what he called the radical Islamic, you know, sort of ideological camp. And in addition to condemning the ideology of radical Islam, he said two things that I think warrant repeating in this moment, specifically, specifically about Mamdani. He pledged to, quote, screen out any immigrants who have hostile attitudes towards our country or its principles or who believe that Sharia law should supplant American law. He also said that he would take it to the, quote, support networks for radical Islam in this country, which will be stripped out and removed one by one. So I guess I ask you, Zudi Jasser in New York City, for example, is that likely that we'll see people who espouse Sharia being discouraged from coming to the city, taking up, you know, roles in networks there of the Muslim Brotherhood, or is it likely that we'll see more of that? In fact, they'll be kind of given a sanctuary in which to operate. And one other thing, you said that you wouldn't trust anything he says. How about the loyalty oath that he's supposed to take upon taking office? You've sworn that oath many times. I know. In the course of your career, if he does take it, whether it's on a Quran or something else, is it likely that he will adhere to that oath, in your estimation, sir?

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Well. Well, as we learned in the Cold War, we can vet immigrants for whether they're part of the Communist Party or part of ideologies that threaten us. And it's, you know, we've put them on record. They could lie, but we put them on record. And then ultimately, as I've tried to so many times in the House and the Senate to tell them, listen, we need to vet folks that get clearances. And so many, whether it's police, Pentagon officials, service members, all of them should be vetted for these ideologies. And that vetting is not only their loyalty oaths which they absolutely have to take as citizens. But it's also what have they said to be on our side in this war for liberty, for separation of mosque and state, for our constitution. Have they countered Sharia and and Madani hasn't done any of that. He stood next to its misogynist. He stood next to anti American theocrats and has apologized. These are organizations that he works with, are part and parcel of Qatar, Turkey, etc. And they hate America and they hate.

[Frank Gaffney]

Israel and they're seeking to destroy us from within. ZD Jesser thank you for standing against all that. Come back to us with updates on it if you would. God bless you my friend. Thanks to all of you for joining us this time. I hope you'll do so next time. Until then, go forth and multiply.

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