SECURING AMERICA WITH FRANK GAFFNEY - OCTOBER 11TH, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Securing America with Frank Gaffney"

Episode Date: October 11, 2025
Host: Frank Gaffney
Guests:

• George Rasley (Managing Editor, Conservative HQ)
• Peter McIlvenna (Executive Director, Hearts of Oak, UK)

---

Episode Overview

This episode explores urgent threats to Western stability and security, focusing firstly on U.S. and Western policy toward Israel and the Middle East, then shifting to the challenge of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) influence inside the U.S., followed by a discussion of immigration, digital ID, and political crises in the UK and France. The guests provide conservative analysis, warning against appeasement and loss of national sovereignty in the face of persistent threats.

---

1. The Gaza War, U.S. Policy, and Western Civilization

[00:00–12:08]

Main Discussion Points

• Gaza Conflict Origins & U.S. Response:

  • Gaffney recounts a major terror attack from Gaza’s Hamas two years prior, criticizing the Biden-Harris administration for what he calls inadequate and inconsistent support for Israel.
  • Egypt is currently hosting negotiations on a ceasefire, based on a plan from U.S. officials that Gaffney argues would allow Hamas’s survival and threaten Israeli leadership.

• Western Civilization Under Threat:

  • Rasley asserts that the war is not just about Israel but defending the West against global jihad.
  • He criticizes both Democratic and Republican leaders for “doing the same thing over and over again”—seeking compromises with jihadists instead of decisive victory.

• The Nature of Ceasefires:

  • Gaffney stresses that ceasefires are exploited by Hamas as tactical pauses (a “hudna”), quoting the long history of cyclical violence.
  • Rasley underlines Hamas’s unwavering objective: “the destruction of Israel, the genocide of the Jewish people, and moving on to other nations in the West.” (09:00)

Notable Quotes

• George Rasley [03:42]:

  “Our government, and it seems no matter who is president, is infected with this definition of insanity problem. We keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result… not decisively defeating our jihadist enemies.”

• Frank Gaffney [07:27]:

  “We’re not inferring this or … speculating. This is their stated purpose and it’s in the Hamas charter… There’s never a ceasefire in any honest meaning of the word.”

Fractures on the Right

• Rasley discusses divisions within the conservative movement, some of whom resist support for Israel by calling others “Israel-first.” He insists support for Israel is tied to the broader defense of Western civilization—“If Hamas achieved its goals and Israel was wiped off the map tomorrow, we’d be next.” [11:01]

---

2. Insider Threat: The Chinese Communist Party in America

[12:08–19:36]

Main Discussion Points

• Unrestricted & Potential Kinetic Warfare:

  • Gaffney and Rasley agree there’s mounting evidence the CCP is preparing for possible kinetic (not just cyber/economic) assault on the U.S.

• Indicators of CCP Aggression:

  • Rasley details:
    • Discovery of bioweapon caches in California.
    • Chinese land acquisitions near military bases.
    • SIM card server farms in NYC capable of “shutting down 911, Wall Street, or sowing chaos at the flip of a switch.” [13:03]
    • Masses of military-age Chinese nationals entering the U.S., many posing as students or researchers.
  • The ongoing flow of fentanyl and new, more lethal opioids from China, which Rasley categorically sees as chemical weapons.

• Elite Capture:

  • Rasley alleges “elite capture” of U.S. political, military, and business leadership by Chinese-linked interests via lucrative deals and influence efforts, particularly on Wall Street.

Notable Quotes

• George Rasley [13:03]:

  “I see a growing activity by Communist China, Red China, to prepare the battlefield here within the United States... The potential for shutting down the 911 system, for shutting down Wall Street, for sowing chaos… was simply the flick of a switch.”

• Frank Gaffney [17:29]:

  “What we’re seeing are the incipient attacks against Americans. Some not incipient, some are actually killing large numbers of us… But the others are preparatory to it.”

---

3. The Digital ID Debate and Immigration Crisis in the UK

[21:09–39:11]

Main Discussion Points

• The Push for Digital ID:

  • Peter McIlvenna describes the UK government’s drive to institute digital IDs, justified by Labour as a solution for monitoring immigration.
  • He and Gaffney warn this is a prelude to comprehensive citizen surveillance, drawing a parallel to China’s social credit system.

• Immigration, Boris Johnson & Political Betrayal:

  • McIlvenna criticizes Boris Johnson for flip-flopping: as PM, Johnson expanded immigration, now he denounces Labour’s ID plan.
  • He accuses both major UK parties of allowing mass uncontrolled immigration, eroding border integrity and national identity.

• Tony Blair’s ‘Legacy’:

  • Blair’s government, McIlvenna recounts, intentionally opened the immigration floodgates to reshape the UK voter base.
  • The sustained rise in migration has, per McIlvenna, profoundly altered British society and institutions, fueling resentment and societal strife.

Notable Quotes

• Peter McIlvenna [27:17]:

  “For Boris to now say and critique the comments of the Labour Party is… utterly despicable. He is the architect after Tony Blair … for turbocharging the huge increase we’ve seen in mass immigration.”

• Peter McIlvenna [33:56]:

  “One of Tony Blair’s aides let the cat out of the bag and basically admitted … they wanted mass immigration to change the voter bloc… We share the same horrendous situation as the U.S.”

On Islamization and Civil Strife

• McIlvenna links the demographic shift to the rise of parallel legal and cultural systems (Sharia courts, halal-only policies), and significant shifts in neighborhood composition.

• Gaffney suggests this has set the stage for possible civil conflict between Muslims and the native British population.

• Peter McIlvenna [37:05]:

  “That really rang alarm bells… It’s not just immigration, but … Islamization that we have had in the UK…”

---

4. France: Immigration Crisis and Political Upheaval

[42:03–48:15]

Main Discussion Points

• Collapse of Traditional France:

  • France, historically a European power, is showcased as a case study in the crisis caused by mass, uncontrolled immigration.
  • Paris and London now feature Muslim populations above 10%, with ‘no go zones’ and “very aggressive Sharia-following jihadists.”

• Political Ramifications:

  • President Macron’s repeated government collapses signal deep instability, with Marine Le Pen’s National Rally poised at the political gates.
  • McIlvenna surmises that the French elite will eventually lose the ability to block Le Pen, whose platform centers on preserving French national identity.

Notable Quotes

• Peter McIlvenna [45:02]:

  “Let me gloat over the collapse of the Macron government… The establishment cannot keep that Marine Le Pen wave back… She wants to keep French borders, she wants to keep French culture, she wants to keep France, France. That’s not a bad thing.”

---

5. Conclusion & Takeaways

[47:44–End]

• Both UK and France serve as warnings for the U.S.: uncontrolled immigration, elite policies favoring open borders, and digital surveillance are said to undermine sovereignty and risk civil conflict.
• The rise of populist movements is presented as an inevitable response to establishment failures.

---

Memorable Moments & Timestamps

• [03:42] Rasley's critique of U.S. policy “infected with this definition of insanity”
• [07:27] Gaffney outlining the concept of a “hudna” in Middle East ceasefires
• [11:01] Rasley: “If Hamas achieved its goals and Israel was wiped off the map tomorrow, we’d be next.”
• [13:03] Rasley on Chinese CCP “preparing the battlefield” in the U.S.
• [17:29] Gaffney on incipient vs. active attacks
• [27:17] McIlvenna calling Boris Johnson’s post-PM comments on immigration “utterly despicable”
• [33:56] McIlvenna: Tony Blair’s actual motivation for mass immigration—voter bloc manipulation
• [37:05] McIlvenna: “Not just immigration, … Islamization”
• [45:02] McIlvenna gloating over Macron government collapse, rise of Marine Le Pen

---

Tone

The episode maintains an urgent, cautionary tone, marked by deep skepticism toward establishment narratives and a call for decisive, nationalist, and conservative responses to perceived threats. The language is direct, often strident, and deliberately challenges mainstream political positions on immigration, security, and foreign policy.

---

This summary provides a comprehensive overview for listeners interested in the intersection of national security, immigration, Western identity, and the political crises in the U.S., U.K., and France—from a critical, conservative perspective.

Transcript

[A]

This is an I Heart podcast. Foreign welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Gaffney. The program that's a. Well, an owner's manual for protecting the country we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the glory of God and his kingdom. We have with us, I'm very pleased to say, a man we have come to describe as the duty genius here at securing him. His name is George Raceley, and we're going to pick his brains on two subjects of considerable importance, both in terms of our enemies and the foreign and domestic components of it. Let me just give you a little context on the first of the two topics. Two years ago, the Gaza franchise of the terrorist organization known as the Muslim Brotherhood perpetrated the most horrific act of jihad, and since 9 11, beheading, raping and murdering 1200 Israeli babies, women and men. The Biden Harris administration responded with rhetorical sympathy, intermittent support, and a diplomatic and political campaign to save Hamas and its allies from Israel's retaliation and to topple Benjamin Netanyahu. Today, Egypt is hosting negotiations on a ceasefire deal strikingly similar to one drawn up by Kamala Harris's National Security advisor, Philip Gordon. As a practical matter, it would ensure the survival of Hamas, preclude Israeli annexation of Judea and Samaria, conduce to a jihadist Palestinian state in Gaza, and likely result in Netanyahu's electoral defeat. That's a formula for more endless war, not what it is required to prevent it. Namely, Israel's decisive victory over her enemies and ours. Let's talk to George Raceley about this. George is the managing editor of terrific online resource Richard Vigori's Conservative HQ. You can follow his work [e-mail] I strongly encourage you to do so. Just George is a man of very considerable experience in government, both in the legislative and executive branches, including time on Capitol Hill and senior positions there, as well as in the office of the Vice President of the United States. He is, in addition to all of that, a Mensa member and very important member of the leadership of the conservative movement. We're always delighted to catch up with him. Our duty genius. George. Welcome back, my friend.

[B]

Thank you, Frank. As always, I'll try and live up to that buildup.

[A]

No sweat. You do it endlessly. Let me start, George, by just asking you this question. It seems as though, as I indicated in that commentary, what we're about now bears an uncanny resemblance to what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were about. And I'm very concerned that the effect of this is not going to be A peace in Gaza, let alone in the Middle east more generally. But possibly, as I say, that endless war. What are your thoughts, sir?

[B]

Well, Frank, our government, and it seems no matter who is president, is infected with this definition of insanity problem, we keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. And what we are doing over and over again is not decisively defeating our jihadist enemies. And there's a phony sort of idea circulating in high policy circles that somehow this is all about Israel. And that is a complete 180 degree opposite of what the reality is, which is this war in Gaza and more broadly in the Middle east is about defending Western civilization from the growing Jihadi movement. And Israel just sort of happens to be in the way, if you will, between them and us and Western civilization more broadly. And it's very disappointing to see the Trump administration not recognize this bigger picture. And so what we have going on right now in Egypt, and God bless Donald Trump for his humanity in wanting to get the hostages back to their families and to somehow achieve a broader peace. But this is not a peace negotiation because Hamas and its supporters and allies, principally Iran, don't want peace. They are ideologically driven. The best that's going to come out of this is not some kind of big peace deal, but the return of what few living hostages remain with Hamas. All of this, that's absolutely the best thing that's going to happen because the reality is that once the negotiators leave Egypt, and if they do so proclaiming a deal, this is merely an opportunity for Hamas to regroup. They're never going to surrender their weapons, they're never going to surrender control of Gaza. And they've said that. In fact, I've got an article up today on ConservativeHQ.com titled the Art of the Deal is Not the Art of War. And it just drives home the point that Hamas has war aims and we seem to have some sort of economic model in which everybody gives a little and gets a little. Well, there's no giving to their ultimate war aim, which is the destruction of Israel, the genocide of the Jewish people, and moving on to other nations in the West.

[A]

And George, I mean, I appreciate your clarity on this so much. It's one of these things where we're not inferring this or we're not speculating. This is their stated purpose and it's, it's in the Hamas charter. They've got to do that. And, and ditto the Iranians and, and the Qataris and, and you know, the Sharia supremacist enterprise globally, the so called global Islamic movement. So I, and I, I'm just so frustrated, as I know you are, with this idea that we keep missing the point that there's never a ceasefire in any honest meaning of the word. There's a hudna, there's a temporary pause to regroup and rearm and then go at it when the circumstances are more favorable. And that is endlessly playing out. Talk about an endless war. For 1400 years we've watched this playing out. So, George, I wanted to ask you because you've got your finger on the pulse of the conservative movement as well as grand politics and strategy, there seems to be an increasingly fratricidal division between people on the right with respect to Israel. What are we to make of that, sir?

[B]

Well, I will forbear speculating on any economic incentives that some people may or may not have to adopt this position.

[A]

Because notwithstanding the presence of Qatar in a big way and its open dissemination of funds.

[B]

But I'm afraid that it shows a complete lack of knowledge of history and frankly imagination on the part of some of our friends who don't see this big picture. And they're looking at, you know, the next six months as opposed to the next 600 years. And so they see, oh, you know, we're spending all this money, we're doing this, we're doing that to support Israel, when in fact we're doing it to defend Western civilization.

[A]

Hold this thought, George. It couldn't be more important. We'll be right back, folks. Stay tuned. Foreign we're back. So is George Raceley. Praise the Lord. We are talking with George about the Middle east and most immediately the fact that we seem to be pursuing policies that, well, are uninformed by a lot of history, hard history at that, to say nothing, have seemingly resembling unsettlingly the policies of the Biden Harris team. But George, you were making a point about the conservative movement. Some elements of it seem to be beset by those problems. But, but is there something else going on here as well?

[B]

Well, just to kind of wrap this up, I mean, our friends who seem so focused on Israel and have criticized some of us for being, quote, Israel first, end of, don't seem to get that if Israel, you know, if Hamas achieved its goals and Israel was wiped off the map tomorrow, we'd be next. And so again, this is a lack of understanding of history, understanding of the goals of the jihadi movement and understanding of the goals of our great enemy Iran, or rather the mullahs of Iran.

[A]

And, and particularly understanding that, that whether it's literally that they would be wiping out the Jews successfully from their point of view or not, absolutely, it can't help but inspire greater aggressiveness on the part of these guys. And, and they're not just, of course, operating in the Middle east and Afghanistan and elsewhere or even just in Europe. They're here.

[B]

They're right here.

[A]

We don't want these guys being any more emboldened than they already are. George, let me pivot quickly because I want to talk with you about another threat vector against our country and that comes from the Chinese Communist Party. You have branded it properly as Red China. There seems to me to be growing evidence now almost daily that the Chinese Communist Party is operating inside our country with a view to not just the kind of unrestricted warfare that we've been warning about for years now with our Committee on the Present Danger China, of which you are an important member, but the kinetic kind as well. I know you're writing on the subject as we speak for Conservative hq. Give us your take on this particular problem.

[B]

Well, you know, as I survey what's been going on for the last, I'll put it this way, that's been publicly known for the last couple of years, I see a growing activity by Communist China, Red China, to prepare the battlefield here within the United States. And we can go through and tick off, you know, a few quick indicators of that. The discovery of the cache of bioweapons at Reedley, California. The acquisition of land near or adjacent to major military bases. The recent discovery of the cell phone tower attack mechanism in New York City, where there were half a dozen apartments and offices crammed full of SIM card servers, which are software and hardware units which can send messages to the tune of 30 million a minute. There were something like 300,000 of these identified in New York City. The potential for shutting down the 911 system, for shutting down Wall street, for sowing chaos in one of our largest urban areas, was simply the flick of a switch, quite frankly.

[A]

And as I recall, the President of the United States was in New York on the time that it seemed that.

[B]

Around when this was discovered. And in fact one of the tip offs was that some people close to him were targeted in what was probably a proof of concept attack.

[A]

And the Secret Service was therefore involved in trying to break this thing up.

[B]

Exactly. We have the hundred thousand at least military age Chinese nationals who have entered the country. Mostly in that count are illegal entries. There are thousands more who came here legally. They are embedded at Our universities as students and, quote, researchers, end of quote. They're actually spies here to acquire intellectual property that would be useful to the Red Chinese military and their intelligence services. We have the ongoing.

[A]

Georgia, before you leave that. It's my understanding that the, the word on the street from trained observers, you know, some of them Special forces veterans themselves, is these guys are actually military personnel. And maybe they're stashed in the universities or in grow houses or heavens knows where else, but they're at large in our country and vast numbers. That's terrifying.

[B]

Yeah. And of course, they have nodes or rally points in these properties right next to our military installations. And also they're centrally located near our military industrial complexes as well.

[A]

Well, political installations and everything else. Who knows where they are?

[B]

And of course, the, you know, we already have the bioweapons attack against us through Covid. We have the ongoing chemical weapons attack through fentanyl, and there's now an even more powerful opioid that Narcan doesn't. Touch.

[C]

Touch.

[B]

That's begun flowing into the United States.

[A]

And of course, from China. George.

[B]

From, from Red China. And one has to ask themselves, okay, why would someone develop a drug like that? It serves no medical purpose. It's clearly a weapon.

[A]

And, and the bottom line, George, is I think in each of these cases, what we're seeing are the incipient attacks against Americans. Some not incipient, some are actually killing large numbers of us, as you mentioned, bioelectrical and chemical warfare, for example. But the others are preparatory to it. So, George, I guess the bottom line for me is why aren't we hearing about this from the United States government? At a minimum, I keep pleading with people to give the American people the situational awareness that will enable them to become part of, you know, a crowdsourced, you know, sensor array, if you will, to figure out where are these Chinese soldiers, for example, and anything else about what they're doing, what they're preparing to do, at least if they don't know that there's a problem, seeing something isn't necessarily going to be a, an admonition that can be fulfilled, is it?

[B]

Yeah, well, you, you had a great piece about, you know, crowdsourcing this information, but I mean, the big, the big disconnect is at the elite level of our own government and military and law enforcement operations in which they're very. The Red Chinese have been very successful in executing what we call elite capture. Many of our senior level political leaders are captured economically by organizations that are either directly communist Chinese or Communist Chinese adjacent. We see that in Wall street where they do these multi billion dollar deals. And you know, it not only funds the elite capture of our people, but it funds the growth of the Chinese military industrial complex.

[A]

It does. In some cases, the money's going directly into companies building weapons with which to kill not just our men and women in uniform, but us here at home as well. George, we're out of time. Alas, this is such important information. I so appreciate you bringing it to the fore at Conservative HQ as well as here. Please keep it up and come back to us with updates very soon, if you would, folks. We'll be right back with much more on the other side of this short break from across the pond with Peter McElven. Stay tuned. And we're back. And so is, I'm delighted to say, one of our faithful contributors from across the pond, Peter McElveena. He is the executive director of Hearts of Oak, a terrifically important British think tank in the United Kingdom in which he collaborates with his boss, Lord Malcolm Pearson, who he works with in the House of Lords. They have a podcast of the same name and they are contributing mightily, both in government and out, to the efforts to, well, light up what is going wrong in the United Kingdom at the moment and offer some constructive solutions to it. We're always delighted to talk to Peter for that purpose. Welcome back, my friend. It's good to have you with us.

[C]

Good to chat, Frank, always.

[A]

I want to start by chatting a bit about domestic political developments in the United Kingdom. There have been party conferences taking place of late. Labour, we spoke with you last time was just in the midst of it. The Tories, the Conservatives have just completed theirs. As we're speaking. There's an issue that I gather has not been addressed at all by the Conservatives, which is rather stunning. After all, a man who had been their Prime Minister at one point, Boris Johnson unburdened himself. A very strong denunciation of this idea of IDs, national IDs being pushed upon the British people by the labor government of Keir Stormer. Talk to us a little bit about, first of all, the ID issue and why it is of concern to Boris Johnson and I suspect, to a lot of other Brits and why it should be concerned to all of us who care about the future direction of the country.

[C]

Well, you're right. Party conference season is just finishing in the UK and I used to always enjoy it, don't so enjoy it much more because we have the Uni Party and the Conservative Party with Kimmy Bednock, the leader of the the Tory party. Maybe an unknown figure to most of your viewers. Frank, I know who was speaking today and I had high hopes for her a year ago but hey, that's not happened. But in terms of the digital id this was really part of not only the UK government, many other governments proposal to during the COVID tyranny as a way of making sure we would be kept safe. That is the line. That is the line through the jobs safe and effective we'd be kept safe. It's the same with a digital ID and it's the understanding that our overlords care about us. They want to track us, they want to look after us and keep us safe from any other harm we or danger. And therefore we need to download a digital ID that we can scan at any moment and prove who we are. Now in the UK you're actually if you get stopped, I know in the US you need to have your physical driver's license with you. In the UK we don't. If you get stopped you need to then go in and show your driver license. But I think in the UK generally everyone has a passport. In the US I think it's fairly different in terms of international travel because America is so big, the UK is tiny, so we need to get out of the UK so we generally have passports. The vast majority of people have a UK passport. The majority of people have a UK driving license and therefore they have the ID to show. Now the push from labor has been that we need a digital ID not to prove your identity, but to stop the mass onslaught, the im, the, the invasion, the immigration evasion that we have faced in the UK which is at a lower level than the US I get that. But we obviously have had a huge lot of people coming over from, from Europe in that tiny stretch of the English channel that's maybe 20 miles wide. We have boats coming over non stop at the moment. We are scheduled to have around 60,000 coming over this year. And those small dinghies, those people traffickers have been welcomed into the UK with no pushback. Actually the Royal Navy catch them in the middle and bring them over. And I know you just celebration of the US Navy over the weekend and I watched some of that footage and, and I think of the Royal Navy being the greatest navy in the world ever with the US being second and the Royal Navy actually being a taxi service, being an uber service to illegal immigrants. That is not the role of the Royal Navy, it is to protect our borders on the sea.

[A]

But so how does the ID thing fit into this? Is the suggestion that that taxi service will be interrupted if they're not able to show their British id? That doesn't seem terribly likely to me. But what, what will be the knock on effects if everybody else has to show these digital IDs? A platform, as we know in Communist China, for example, for the most comprehensive surveillance and control mechanisms known to men. Peter, we had a little technical difficulty and I just wanted to conclude this part of our conversation by asking you to specifically address this issue of when Boris Johnson says he will not accept a digital id. Is he speaking for a lot of Brits, do you think? And what's important to our audience, of course, is not just what all of this portends for an important ally and, you know, the mothership, if you will, and kindred spirits, of course, to our own people in Britain, but what it might portend for us here in the United States as well. Give us your quick thoughts on those at points, if you would.

[C]

Well, on, on Boris Johnson, I, I remember campaigning for him as mayor of London back what, 14, 15 years ago. I have the Boris for London T shirt in my comfort. And the thing is that Boris was part of that wave, the Boris wave that now Nigel Farage talks about in terms of the mass immigration. You look at the figures and you see under Boris Johnson we go up and we triple the amount of people coming in net migration from like 200,000 to 600, 700,000. That was under Boris Johnson a Conservative government. A Conservative government. So for Boris to now say and critique the, the comments of the, the Labour Party is I, I don't know the English language to use for it in terms of not going for him, but it is utterly despicable. He is the, Boris Jones is the architect after Tony Blair when we touch on that. But Boris Johnson was a Conservative architect for turbocharging the huge increase we've seen in mass immigration. And for Boris Johnson to come in and say anything to the Labour government is literally disgusting because we voted for him on a Change ticket. We voted for him on actually upholding Brexit, which is controlling our borders and taking control of, of our immigration policy. That has not been the case. But that collapse has all been on Boris Johnson and said, give me the wheel and I will drive this Boris engine, this Brexit engine. He got the wheel and instead he just turned it and we went into utter chaos on opening our borders, on reducing our navy, on removing our immigration controls. And suddenly we, we've had a mass amount of people coming in. We've given them hotels, as you commented, Frank, we've given them money, we've given them bank cards, we've given them mobile phones. We have UK charities set up to exist to actually help these people in and show them the legal loopholes they can use to make sure they stay in the UK and make sure they can fight for their case for years ahead and the UK taxpayer or pay for it. So it is horrendous. So I won't listen to anything Boris Johnson says.

[A]

Well, I want to drill down on this point about the cumulative effect of all of that on the other side of a break we're going to have to take here in just a moment. But you alluded to Tony Blair, a previous prime minister of Great Britain, of Labour Party prime minister at that, and his role in this immigration well, transformation. I want to visit about him because he's back in the news now, as you know, Peter, in connection with this so called peace deal in the Middle East. And we also want to take stock on the impact all of this has had on Britain as well. We'll be right back, folks. Stay tuned. Okay.

[C]

Utter chaos on opening our borders, on reducing our navy, on removing our immigration controls. And suddenly we've had a mass amount of people coming in. We've given them hotels, we've, as you commented, Frank, we've given them money, we've given them bank cards, we've given them mobile phones. We have UK charities set up to exist to actually help these people in and show them that the legal loopholes they can use to make sure they stay in the UK and make sure they can fight for their case for years ahead and the UK Taxpayer pay for it. So it is horrendous. So I won't listen to anything Boris Johnson says.

[A]

Well, I want to drill down on this point about the cumulative effect of all of that on the other side of a break we're going to have to take here in just a moment. But you alluded to Tony Blair, a previous prime minister of Great Britain, of Labour Party prime minister at that, and his role in this immigration well, transformation. I want to visit about him because he's back in the news now, as you know, Peter, in connection with this so called peace deal in the Middle East. And we also want to take stock on the impact all of this has had on Britain as well. We'll be right back, folks. Stay tuned. Welcome back. We're visiting with Peter McElveena from the Great British Isles. We always appreciate our visits with him but Especially at a time such as this, because what is going on in Britain, as is often the case, is likely a prelude to what is coming our way as well. And Peter, we've been talking about this, this digital ID business and the control mechanisms that it could institute and the concerns that we should have on both sides of the pond about it. But you started talking a little bit about some of the previous British Prime Ministers who helped create the crisis, the immigration bedlam that has been unleashed on Britain with profound socioeconomic implications. And I want to get to those in a moment, but one of them that you mentioned in passing there was Tony Blair. And I vividly remember that the fellow who worked for Tony Blair actually made a public admission as to the impetus behind his opening of the doors, if you will, to the British Isles to immigrants largely, not exclusively, but largely from South Asia, as I recall. Tell us a little bit about that, Peter, if you would.

[C]

So, yeah, one of his aides let the cat out of the bag and basically admitted to the reason why they wanted mass immigration and that was to change the voter bloc. I think in a similar way to you have in the US with the Democrats, they've tried to open the borders to, to change the balance of power, to change the voter blocs and give the right to vote to all those illegals that have come in. So we share the same horrendous situation in terms of the left. Sadly, we in the UK have continued that on the so called right. But when Tony Blair came in in 1997, it was a wave of euphoria. It was on a tired Conservative government that, that had Margaret Thatcher, but then it moved over to John Major who was an awful leader and therefore Tony Blair came in. In this wave of euphoria on Britain regaining their place in the world, it was excitement, it was enthusiasm, it was vision. And many people bought into it. I can't remember if I did, but anyway, that's another conversation. So the British people bought into with a landslide result in 1997. And you're right, that message from one of Tony Blair's aides shows the reason why Tony Blair opened the drawbridge to mass immigration. And up to that point, up until the mid-90s, we had, it was 30, 40,000 in terms of net migration, we could cope with that in terms of schooling, in terms of transport, in terms of health, in terms of all the institutions we have. And you're facing the same struggle. And then those gates were opened and that was Tony Blair that opened and we went from the 40, 50,000 we went 2, 3, 400,000 over that labour government. So that was Tony Blair and then under Boris Johnson and other so called Conservative that was ramped up, but it was Tony Blair that opened the floodgates and changed the demographic shape of the uk.

[A]

Yeah. And the implications of that as we talk about with you each week basically have been profound and traumatic. And some say, Peter, and I think you've been heard on the subject too, but you might speak to it that it appears with millions of Britons turning out the other day in opposition basically to all of this in London particularly, but elsewhere I think as well, the conditions may be inexorably leading towards a kind of civil strife in Britain between these predominantly Sharia inculcated, if not Sharia supremacist Muslims and the native population. Is that where Tony Blair's legacy is likely to lie, do you think?

[C]

Well, Tony Blair used to tell us that he read the Quran as he went to bed for comfort. I'm not sure what version of the Quran you can read. And Frank, you know this. I know there is no comfort in the Quran. It messes with your mind. It's utterly chaotic. For a start, it's not really a book that you could read step by step, but all the background of the spread of Islam. So I'm not sure what part of that found him comfort or gave him comfort, unless you're some psychopath that actually enjoys that chaos that that brings. So that's the individual. We have that instead of reaching for the Bible, instead of reaching for the teachings of Jesus, that you should do unto others as you do to yourself, he reached for the Quran. That does not make sense. And that really rang alarm bells to a lot of the uk. That is Tony Blair's legacy in opening doors of mass immigration, but opening the doors to the Islamization of the UK that we have had in terms of the Muslim population going up 10 times faster than the national population in terms of Sharia courts coming with the Muslim Arbitration Tribunal act in terms of Halal, being across with many schools, I know many of my local schools have only halal because it's easier to have just a halal supplier because they don't want legal action. They do want the publicity of mixing halal with non halal. So they focus for halal. Yeah, so. So a law that opened the doors of that. That was a lot under Tony Blair's time, the multicultural agenda that opened the doors to an entity, a belief system that didn't fit with the values that we had in the uk that really is Tony Blair's legacy. It's not just immigration, but I think it's the Islamization that we have had in the UK I know your viewers will share that concern that, that because.

[A]

It'S coming here, that is at the.

[C]

Door of the US Unless you act.

[A]

With, I would argue, inside the doors here. The drawbridge analogy comes up to mind as well. It's been opened. We now have large numbers of Sharia supremacists here. They're becoming, as in Britain, increasingly aggressive. And I fear that they're looking to what's happening in the Middle east at the moment in which Tony Blair is again being allowed to play a role. Unimaginably, the negotiations underway in Egypt and what might flow from them, he's supposed to somehow preside over, along with President Trump formula for disaster, it seems to me. But it's almost certainly emboldening all of these Sharia supremacists, yes, in the UK Elsewhere, around the world, but also here that we are collapsing in the face of their increasing assertiveness. We have one more block coming up with Peter McAvoone. We're going to talk about that and France, what it portends there. Stay tuned. Foreign we're back. And so is Peter McElveena. He is our emissary in the transatlantic region, the British Isles, of course, from whence he hails. And we're going to talk to him about the continent beyond, specifically the Fifth Republic of France, which some suggest is now going through its death throws. In part, Peter, I think it's fair to say because of a similar unchecked immigration that successive French governments have enabled or at least allowed in the past decade or so. True of much of Europe, for that matter. But France is a place where we now have no go zones all over the place. Victoria, very aggressive Sharia, you know, following jihadists. And a government that seems tottering under President Macron. Well, tottering at best. It's actually fallen a couple of times. I don't know if they're going to be able to put Humpty Dumpty back together again as we speak. That's underway. But talk us through what's going on as you see it from across the Channel in France. And again, what, what does it say about immigration practices and the policies that generally are flowing from it.

[C]

It's intriguing what's happening with France, because for your viewers, Frank, France and Germany have always been the, the engine of Europe, always being the strong countries. France is the only military might in Europe apart from the UK Although I don't know you talk about either of them being military might anymore, but that's a separate conversation. But it's, I know you talked about some of the, the, the impact in the no go areas. It's France and Sweden and the UK have really been on the forefront of the Islamization parts of Germany. Yes. But really it's been France and the UK. I mean France, what Paris is 12% Muslim, same as, as, as London in the UK. Sweden have utterly collapsed under those Islamic gangs and that have destroyed Sweden. The only other part really is, is in Brussels where they've got 30% the cultural capital, the political capital of Europe, but it is France. And it's intriguing watching Macron being a very weak individual, a consensus politician, which shows you go with your belief system, go with your conviction and not actually gather people around you that will just all say the same thing. And Macron is being pillared in the, in France. And the only reason why he won the last election is because the elite refused to let, refused to let Marine Le Pen win. They came against her to make sure they removed those three parties running together in what, 150 regions. They removed one of the ones on the left, so only it was one left, one right. And therefore Marine Le Pen couldn't slip through. And although she is the largest party in the French Parliament, the, the system, the deep state in Europe, in France could not let her win and they made sure and stopped her and all came together. So you've got a gathering of individuals, of parties that wouldn't normally agree, but their only agreement is to keep Marine Le Pen out. And that's why.

[A]

And Marie Le Pen, again, just back to the main theme here, Peter. Marine Le Pen's constituency is very angry over the immigration policies that have been pursued by these other parties. And just quickly, as you see it now, is the government of France, is the Republic of France likely to fall in the midst of this present crisis and what again may be heading towards a civil war there as well?

[C]

Well, let's take out the civil war part and let me gloat over the collapse of the Macron government, because this is his, what, third or fourth Prime Minister and the President, Macron, as the President, basically selects the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister had been actually in position for just over three weeks. He couldn't even last a month. So he has stepped on. And then Macron said, please put together a budget if you can do it within a few days. So as we speak this afternoon, supposedly the President, Macron has begged the former Prime Minister who stepped on days ago to come up with a budget. That's, that's not going to happen. And Macron said if that doesn't happen, he will do the right thing. What is the right thing that would be to call an election. And Marine Le Pen, with the national rally or polling top in France, that strikes fear into the establishment because she wants to keep French borders, she wants to keep French culture, she wants to keep France. France, that's not a bad thing. That's what loves want to do. We want to keep our nations according to their social, their traditional, their historical elements. And she wants to do that. And she has been in this fight for, don't know, two decades has it been since Marine Le Pen and always been the edge. Just like Garrett Fielders was always on the edge in Holland and now stepped into government with their election coming up. And Marine Le Pen has always been on the edge. And I think we are at the point where the establishment cannot keep that Marine Le Pen wave back. And I think that she will be able to step in Marine Le Pen as President of France. That is what we really want, because that resets the European Union, it resets the European project. That's what we want. But we've got opposition because obviously the deep state in terms of France and across Europe don't want that to happen. So I think we need to keep our eyes on this situation hugely.

[A]

For sure. We will, Peter, with your help, as among others. But just to tie this off, is it your estimation that if they do not bring forth as a sort of safety valve, elections, presumably the past play of blocking Marine Le Pen won't work under these circumstances, but might it begin the process of taking dismantling the Fifth Republic? And would that matter?

[C]

It would matter and be a wonderful thing. And I think, yes, that actually the deep sea have overplayed their hand. Yes, I think the support is there for Marine Le Pen. Yes, I think public sentiment is against Macron and they want to change. They're sick and tired of Macron. They want to change and I think they will. Welcome Ren Le Pen.

[A]

We will be watching this, as I say, closely. Peter McElvena, thank you for your insights and both what's happening in your own country, Britain, as well as across the Channel. Keep us posted, my friend. God bless you.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

Keep up the great work at Hearts of Oak. We will talk with the rest of you next time. I hope until then that you'll go forth and multiply. This is an I Heart podcast.