Podcast Summary:

Securing America with Frank Gaffney – September 13, 2025
Host: Frank Gaffney | Guests: Charles Sam Faddis, Rod Martin, Dr. David Wormser
Network: Real America’s Voice (iHeartPodcasts)
Release Date: September 13, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode of "Securing America" with Frank Gaffney presents a hard-hitting analysis of today’s national security and political landscape. The episode features in-depth conversations with intelligence veteran Charles Sam Faddis, faith and policy leader Rod Martin, and Middle East expert Dr. David Wormser. Topics include major reforms and internal scandals in the U.S. intelligence community, threats posed by potential political leaders with radical ideologies, corruption allegations against Democratic donor network Act Blue, the ongoing battle for the American soul over foundational rights, and a breaking news analysis about Israeli counterterrorism operations with significant regional and global consequences.

Main Segments & Key Discussion Points

1. The U.S. Intelligence Community: Reform or ‘Beyond Repair’?

Guest: Charles Sam Faddis (03:00–12:23; 15:36–25:08)
Timestamps:

• Start: [03:00]
• Intelligence Community discussion: [05:27–12:23], [15:36–25:08]

Key Points:

• Systemic Abuse & Political Corruption:
  • Faddis describes a “rolling coup” (06:20) beginning as early as 2016, accusing senior intelligence officials of unconstitutional acts and election interference:
    • “We’ve got people at the top of the IC who think they now get to decide who can be president...” – Charles Sam Faddis [05:50]
• Tulsi Gabbard's Reforms as DNI:
  • Applauds DNI Tulsi Gabbard’s aggressive reforms, including firing personnel accused of misconduct and criminal behavior, and bringing transparency to intelligence.
  • Emphasizes the need for exposure: “She’s digging into what really happened and...putting things out there and naming names, and that’s critical.” – Sam Faddis [06:38]
• CIA Bloated and Ineffectual:
  • CIA leadership critiqued for being run by corporate outsiders with no operational experience.
  • “CIA is no longer run by operators, by ops officers, by spies...They aren’t professionals in the trade in any sense.” – Sam Faddis [07:35]
• FBI/Counterintelligence Scandal – McGonagall Case:
  • Charles McGonagall, former head of FBI counterintelligence (NY), was convicted for taking bribes from a Chinese intelligence front.
  • Investigation into Chinese energy company (CEFC) finds bribes to “the Bidens,” referencing both Hunter and Joe Biden.
  • FBI is accused of covering up evidence, redacting references and suppressing investigation.
  • “The guy running the investigation into Chinese intelligence takes a bribe from that entity and buries the Biden investigation...” – Sam Faddis [09:51]
• Controlled Asset Accusation:
  • Host Frank Gaffney raises claim that Joe Biden is “a controlled asset of the Chinese Communist Party.”
  • Faddis affirms: “That is precisely, precisely what I’m saying.” [12:12]
  • Suggests “dozens…of other individuals” in the FBI knew and are “as yet non-prosecuted conspirators.” [12:23]

Memorable Quotes:

• “It’s kind of a rolling coup...we literally have to stage a coup onto interfering in the 2020 election.” – Sam Faddis [06:20]
• “She’s digging into what really happened and divulging things and putting things out there and naming names, and that’s critical.” – Sam Faddis [06:38]

2. Ideological Threats: Zoran Mamdani’s Mayoral Candidacy & “Twelver” Islam

Guest: Charles Sam Faddis (15:36–24:35)

Key Points:

• Zoran Mamdani as NYC Mayoral Candidate:
  • Described as a “Communist Twelver” by Robert Spencer, echoing claims that tie his faith to Iranian Shia eschatology.
• The Twelver Doctrine:
  • Faddis explains the worldview of “Twelver” Shi’ism: belief in the imminent return of the Mahdi and a final apocalyptic battle.
  • Warns that Americans underestimate the radicalism: “This is not a go along, get along different kind of thing.” [18:44]
  • “The belief here is...these are the guys that believe in the Mahdi...will ride his horse up out of the well and lead them to victory.” [19:15]
• Security Risks:
  • Faddis, as a former CIA counter-WMD officer, deems it a “mortal peril” to place someone with these beliefs in charge of New York security.
  • “You’re talking about somebody who believes in bringing on the end of the world...That is the essence of the faith.” [21:56]
• Call to Awareness:
  • Criticizes willful ignorance: “You’re deliberately ignoring it. Look, if the man belonged to a church...that believed white people were supreme...would you ignore that?” [22:44]

Quotes:

• “The belief here is...the final cataclysmic battle...In that battle, everybody who’s not on the right side, that is their side in terms of belief, dies horribly, and they emerge victorious and rule the earth. And that’s literal.” – Sam Faddis [19:44]
• “You think he’s going to now protect the city or tolerate other faiths?...He’s telling you straight up what he believes.” – Sam Faddis [21:56]

3. Big Pharma and RFK Jr.: ‘The Orcs Are Coming’

Guest: Charles Sam Faddis (24:35–25:08)

Key Points:

• Faddis uses a Tolkien analogy to describe political and corporate attacks on RFK Jr. due to his opposition to pharmaceutical industry profits, particularly around vaccines.

Quote:

• “What’s RFK Jr’s crime? His crime is he is threatening the profits of Big Pharma and they’re making vast, vast, vast sums of money off this vaccine industry...” – Sam Faddis [24:35]

4. America’s Founding Principles and the Left-Right Divide

Guest: Rod Martin (28:24–39:36)
Timestamps:

• Segment starts: [28:24]
• ActBlue discussion: [35:45–39:36]

Key Points:

• Genesis of Rights – God or Government?
  • Trigger: Senator Tim Kaine's denunciation of the notion that rights come from the Creator, followed by Trump’s defense of the Declaration’s principle.
  • Rod Martin describes this as the real worldview battle in America: unalienable rights from God vs. rights granted by government.
  • “The socialist view is exactly the opposite, that everything we have proceeds from government, that the government may take anything we have away at any time...” – Rod Martin [31:07]
• Comparison to Theocracy:
  • Addresses claims that seeing rights as God-given is theocratic; Martin counters that Iran’s regime is dictatorial, and America’s founders ensured law is above rulers.
  • “Ayatollah...absolutely embodies Tim Kaine’s vision of the world...the king is the law. ‘Rex, Lex.’ And that’s exactly what our English forebears repudiated...” – Rod Martin [33:27]
• First Amendment and Trump Administration:
  • Praises Trump’s emphasis on restoring religious liberty and affirming America as “one nation under God.”

Quotes:

• “In our conception...rights come from the Creator, whether you believe in the Creator or not...rights precede government.” – Rod Martin [31:07]

5. ActBlue Corruption Allegations & Influence

Guest: Rod Martin (35:45–39:36)

Key Points:

• ActBlue described as the Democratic Party’s “single most important fundraising committee”—over $17.5B raised.
• Accusations of intentionally lax fraud controls, facilitating straw donations and illicit foreign contributions (“especially from overseas”).
• “There are specific cases that have been found, over a thousand cases in which a single straw donor...doesn’t have a lot of money and they’ll have given ActBlue $200, $400, $500,000 in small increments.” [36:41]
• DOJ criminal investigation and 19 state attorneys general are underway.
• Broader pattern of progressive “slush funds” and government grants supporting left-leaning causes.

Memorable Quotes:

• “What they’re getting, of course, is Chinese money and other illegal money and it’s got to stop.” – Rod Martin [36:46]
• “There could actually be major Democrats who go to jail over this.” – Rod Martin [39:28]

6. Breaking News: Israeli Strike on Hamas Leadership in Qatar

Guest: Dr. David Wormser (43:10–61:28)
Timestamps:

• Segment starts: [43:10], Analysis of Gaza war: [53:59–61:28]

Key Points:

• The Strike:
  • Israel reportedly conducts a targeted strike in Qatar, killing top Hamas leaders, possibly including Hamas chief Khalid Mashal (unconfirmed at time of recording).
  • Operation required crossing either Saudi, Iraqi and/or Iranian airspace—significant regional implications.
• US and Saudi Approval:
  • US was informed ahead of the strike and gave approval, indicating a “major shift” in US policy regarding Qatar and Hamas.
• Regional ‘Tectonic Shift’:
  • Host and guest highlight the strike as a seismic strategic development, with the implication that coordination between Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the US is deepening.
  • “If the planes came over Saudi Arabia, that also would most likely involve American approval.” – David Wormser [48:31]
• Internal Israeli Debate:
  • Tensions between Netanyahu and IDF leadership: whether to seek total defeat of Hamas through force or pursue a negotiated solution that risks empowering hostages’ captors.
  • “The military is only there for pressure and leverage. It’s not actually a solution to anything.” – David Wormser [49:52]
  • Wormser argues decisive military victory is required, and negotiations over hostages are counterproductive—military pressure is most likely to induce the release (or at least defeat the underlying threat).
• Hostage Policy Change:
  • US reverting to a strict policy of not negotiating with hostage-takers, especially after the latest events.
• Qatar's Role in Global Jihad:
  • Qatar described as the primary funder of Hamas, global jihadism, and anti-Semitism.

Quotes:

• “Israelis are operating with impunity over the airspace of Iran.” – David Wormser [44:47]
• “It’s a huge and I think very positive development.” – Frank Gaffney [61:28]
• “The idea that all of [the hostages] will come home alive, I think Hamas has no intention of doing that.” – David Wormser [56:17]
• “It will be a validation for the entire strategy of taking hostages...what about the hundreds of hostages that will be taken? American, Israeli, European hostages, countless others?” – David Wormser [60:06]

Memorable Quotes

• “You’ve got people at the top of the [intelligence community] who think they now get to decide who can be president...”
  – Sam Faddis [05:50]
• “It’s kind of a rolling coup...we literally have to stage a coup onto interfering in the 2020 election.”
  – Sam Faddis [06:20]
• “You’re talking about somebody who believes in bringing on the end of the world so that his faith can then reign supreme. That’s not an abstract. That is the essence of the faith.”
  – Sam Faddis [21:56]
• “In our conception...rights come from the Creator, whether you believe in the Creator or not...rights precede government.”
  – Rod Martin [31:07]
• “What they’re getting...is Chinese money and other illegal money and it’s got to stop.”
  – Rod Martin [36:46]
• “Israelis are operating with impunity over the airspace of Iran.”
  – David Wormser [44:47]
• “It will be a validation for the entire strategy of taking hostages...”
  – David Wormser [60:06]

Conclusion

This episode blends high-level security analysis, fierce political critique, and breaking international news. Frank Gaffney and guests warn about internal threats to American institutions, corruption and manipulation of the electoral process, ideological subversion via radical candidates, and geopolitical crises in the Middle East. The show positions itself as an urgent, unapologetic “owner’s manual” for defending America, sounding alarms over issues from intelligence corruption, foreign influence operations, progressive fundraising scandals (ActBlue), to existential global threats via terrorism and state actors.

Listeners leave with a strong sense of the stakes—both in the halls of power in Washington and in the embattled cities of Israel and beyond.

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